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Pardew To Speak To Ashley Soon – It Could Be Goodbye

5:36 pm, Friday, May 10th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 343 Comments

Once Newcastle are safe in the Premier League – and that could come as early as Sunday afternoon, if Newcastle win at QPR and Aston Villa lose at home to Chelsea tomorrow – Alan Pardew will be speaking to the Newcastle owner Mike Ashley about the season, and how to take Newcastle forward – and whether he  is still Mike’s choice to take Newcastle forward.

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Alan Pardew – will speak to Ashley once we’re safe

And speaking to the BBC today, Alan was  asked if he wants to speak to Mike Ashley directly,  and this is how Alan answered that question:

“As soon as I know we’re in this division, that’s what I want to do with Mike,” “He can tell me where he’s coming from and we can clear the air about how we want to take it forward.”

“He could turn around and say, ‘sorry Pards, see you later and thanks very much. He could do that if we don’t make it, he could do that if we make it.” “Unfortunately for me I have to accept that decision.”

We know there are strong emotions on both sides of this issue – whether we should keep Alan or whether he should be sent packing.

But we’ve been reticent to put out much on the topic when we are still fighting for our lives in the Premier League, and we certainly don’t want to upset the Newcastle band-wagon.

But as soon as we know – hopefully that we’re in the Premier league next season – we’ll have a poll and that kind of stuff, and say one or two things about what we think will happen with the Newcastle manager and why.

But until we are safe in the Premier League,  it’s not the time to talk about the manager’s future.

Let’s support the lads and hopefully we can even have a decent couple of results over  the last two games.

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343 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Carryingcoals // May 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    sorry Pards ha dear me

  • 2 Krul to be Kind // May 10, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    I like the links we are currently having with rene Girard.

    What he could do with this team would be immense and would be a seemless fit given the amount of French lads in the side!

  • 3 Hatem's better than Messi // May 10, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Dangerous bringing in a French manager who can’t speak much English.

    It would really split the dressing room if French was spoken by the manager. So he’d have to speak English and Girard can’t. He’s been learning English online for a few months. So good luck with that.

  • 4 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    Since the Premier league began there have been 3 managers that have delivered a top 5 finish for us,but hey,the next one has got to be better,right?,and everyone knows the way to build a good,successful team is to sack your manager every 2 yrs.

  • 5 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    He is paving the way for his own dismissal, he knows he is on his way out.

  • 6 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    DL – ‘Mike, Pards wants a word with you’
    MA- ‘Who the hell is”Pards”?’

  • 7 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 5:49 PM


    Forgive me if I am wrong, does this mean you are advocating supporting Pardew on the basis that he is in the company of SBR, and KK for getting us in top 5?

    Seems like a somewhat simplistic view of proceedings.

  • 8 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    BTW – What did Aaln say about Remy? ‘We failed to get him and ended up with only Cisse and that other nugget, y’know, thingy er Goofoff or sumfink…anyway, thankfully, I did have the foresight to sign that lad to back up Krul or we would have been totally stuffed, Sissoko I think his name was..”

  • 9 wreker16 // May 10, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    There’s hope yet!

  • 10 valle // May 10, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    We finished our highest position under Dalglish, although he didnt manage us the entire season I admit and he managed to rip that team apart after that… But still, its 4 managers who have gotten us top 5 and even Roeder managed top 7 and I sure as **** wouldnt want him back.

  • 11 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    Ed you are saying that now is not the time to debate Pardew’s future, not the first time you have done that this week, but you right an article about it which is aimed at creating a debate, if you don’t want the topic to be debated then don’t start a debate.

  • 12 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    I’m nearly certain that Pardew will not be in charge next season. If there is any justice in the world he won’t be anyway

  • 13 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    Oh no not Mojo again.

  • 14 valle // May 10, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Our highest most recent position* It should say

  • 15 Ulster_Toon // May 10, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Might be one of the few. But if he goes i will remember him for the great year we had last year, genuinely disappointed he wasnt the man for the long run. This year has shown up some of tatical abilities though. I want a new manager and backroom staff brought in this summer. Rafa would be good, wouldnt mind lee clark though or even some of the other names thrown around

  • 16 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    George Burley got Ipswich Town to 5th in the PL.

    He won the LMA manager of the year award and the FA manager of the year award.

    A year later he got his team relegated and is now managing Apollon Limassol.

    Yeah let’s keep Pardew because all managers who finish 5th are great!!

  • 17 mkhalaf // May 10, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    Pardew should stay,, we finished in the top 5 last year and had NO reinforcements in the summer even though we were playing one more game a week, then our main players got injured and the youngsters backing them up did not perform as expected and that is why they were shipped out on load, pards thought that Sammy fergie abeid vuckic gosling would break through to the first team but found out in the Europa league that they lacked quality,, so we brought in reinforcements in the summer (French to fit in the squad as fast as possible) and unfortunately it was/is difficult for 5new players to integrate successfull in a squad with so much pressure on them to carry the team out of a relegation battle and especially with no time or summer camp to help them mix in the squad smoothly,,, don’t blame pardew we over achieved last year to much of HIS credit (manager of the year) and we under achieved this year not due to his tactics but due to the youngsters not performing, players getting injured, no summer reinforcements, playing twice a weak, and new players not having time to integrate ,, give pards a fucking break!! We need stability! Isn’t that what we were all begging Ashley for! All great clubs must have stability at manager I say we give pards a chance to see what he does next year!! Please let’s rally behind pards I know emotions are running high now but its the best thing for the club,, we need stability give pards 1 more season to prove that he is not a fluke and have him for once start the season with a big enough squad and c how he performs

  • 18 Laurent Robert 32 // May 10, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    His delusions grow greater by the second.

    Strange quotes about how Ashley could fire him. If he was sure of his role in an 8 year deal, he might be a bit more confident. He may know that if he doesn’t reach a set target, it opens up a clause for Ashley to fire him or something.

    Just have to see if Sage’s info is gold.

    He’s obviously a bit worried. Good, pack your bag Alan, and take your negative, stone age football and dreadful player choices elsewhere.

  • 19 Laurent Robert 32 // May 10, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    Pardew talking verbal acid on Radio Newcastle now.

  • 20 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    Why are so many jumping on the “Pardew’s tactically naive” bandwagon when the accusation is complete nonsence, last season we played completely different style’s against Man U. Swansea, Stoke etc which all brought great results, the difference this season has been that due to so many injuries he has been forced to play very poor squad players, Shola, Sammy, Perch, Williamson, Obertan etc, howay lads, be sensible, the best tactician in the world could not get that lot playing decent football, but now that we have a better quality of player to chose from the confidence from poor results has gone, without confidence teams struggle, so lets cut the crap and be sensible.

  • 21 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    I think he has had all the fair goes anyone could ask for. If there were promising signs I would like to see half a season more to watch it pan out but I have trawled up that long hill and back down again, rain snow and biting cold to watch the most uninspring drivel from seemingly talented players who have had the will to carry on drilled out of their skulls by bewildering team set-ups. The mackem loss and the humiliation by the skiprats has enforced an overnight polarising change in my opinion of him and his methods. He cannot even set us up to be a dull and grimly dogged defensive unit which I am sure even Curbs or that hammer-faced bloke who assisted Shearer would have been able to.

    I think its the waffle which has finally tipped me over the precipice. Calls to get behind the team, and unite the city and ‘come on lads leave off the criticism just because we lost horribly in a humiliating fashion against all odds to the worst scum side in living memory, give over get real’ or words to that effect I find insultingly patronising to some of the best suppoort you will see in this land.

    I think it would be good to get a bulk purchase of those giant foam hands and flog them at the Arsenal match so we can all en-masse wave a giant goodbye. What do you think?

  • 22 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    I will chose to ignore the post @19 and pretend it was never written.

  • 23 King Panth // May 10, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Pardew has to go at the end of the season simple as that. Lots of talk about Benitez coming, i dont know if he would come and work in the set up we currently have. I think he would want to identify and sign his own players, not players recommended to him by Carr. Lee Clark would do a hell of a lot better than Pardew. Clark did a great job at Huddersfield, they went about 40 games unbeaten if i remember rightly. He is a Geordie as well so he wants success as much as we do. He has done well at Birmingham under extreme restrictions, he started pre season with only a handfull of Profesionals, as well as having no money to spend.

  • 24 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    Spoof – I admire your rallying bravado, I really do, but I think its gone beyond that now. Its all too possible we could still go down, and if there is a safe bet in the game about which manager could turn a mathematical possiblity of it into a reality, Pards would be odds on every time.

    He did have all the problems you say, but overall his methods even more so behind the scenes have been as responsible as any other factor to bring us down. Just the fact he cannot address fitness and injury problems shows he has a determination to go his own way despite results shouting otherwise. He’s a dead man walking. Results are King when it comes to being a manager of a football club.

  • 25 Jail for Ashley // May 10, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Not only is Pardews random bullsh1t demoralising to the squad it is also detrimental to the atmosphere around the place,how can he claim that the four goals Rely has scored would have enabled usbto concede fewer than than the two Gouffy has put away.
    Beattie ,
    I done some research on LMA winners and it makes me slightly ashamed I defended Pardew as a winner of this award.

  • 26 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 6:24 PM


    ”I will contuinue to do job with honesty and dignity, with pressure I’m under. I love this city, and enjoy being manager here”

    Blurgh… I think he is looking for brownie points and support. Don’t fall for it. Makes me sick.

    Honesty and dignity?

  • 27 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 10, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    let me b the first and say, pardew out

  • 28 nightfa11 // May 10, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    for me the best option is blanc… knows epl..won everything as a player..knows our players..proven manager…doesnt need big transfer kitty..

  • 29 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Post 21, its true m8, if you haven’t got the players capable of playing decent football, you have no choice but to hit it long and hope, its been bloody awful and frustrating, but what other option has he had ?, I’m not saying he is the world’s best manager, but this season I do sympathise with him, the gods have not given him a fair chance so I feel we should, coming 5th does not automatically make you a good manager, I feel he had a lot of luck to achieve that with such a small squad, but being involved in a relegation battle doesn’t automatically make you a poor manager, I feel he has had a lot of made luck to get there, but what frightens me the most is that I honestly do feel that we have the makings of a really good team/squad, a new manager would as they always do like to put there own stamp onto the squad, Tiote, Cabaye, Sissoko, Cisse and Ben Arfa amongst others could all be at risk, if a new manger came in we would all hope that a bit of tinkering would take place and we would improve, but lets not forget how Dalglish tinkered with Keegans squad, or Souness tinkered with Sir Bobby’s squad, at times you have to be careful of what you wish for

  • 30 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    King Panth @ 22 – er I think one of the problems Lee had was that he DID spend quite a bit of money….

  • 31 King Panth // May 10, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    If we lose our next 2 games and still stay up, what is the betting Alan “trust me” Pardew will come out and say he knew what he was doing all along and we were safe after the Fulham game. He spouts so much bullshit it is embarrasing, bigging up Remy and then saying he does no fear him. Does not fear him my arse, what is the betting we go defensive with Cisse issolated up front on his own, against the team bottom of the league. He truly is a gutless bullshitting tit.

  • 32 mattnufc // May 10, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    What Pardew said today was laughable.
    He said he was annoyed he was lauded for his tactics last year, but criticised this year.
    No, we have never had good tactics under your tenure. Was that spat with Coloccini just a dream?
    I believe Pardew is the only person who thinks we play good football.

  • 33 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 10, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    what did pardew say on talksport? crux?

  • 34 IndieGeordie // May 10, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Someone who looks at Sissoko and says he is a #10 should be nowhere near football teams let alone managing a football club!

    And Pardew says he is a midfielder – cum – #10!!!

  • 35 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    King panth, all managers big up their opponents, Fergie, Mancini the lot of them, its called respect.

  • 36 Jail for Ashley // May 10, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    On the train atm so forgive typos,did he early say with honesty and dignity ?

  • 37 King Panth // May 10, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Tsunski, im not sure about Huddersfield, but all the players Clark has signed at Birmingham are freebies or loans.

  • 38 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 6:38 PM


    I think the sensible approach would be to move him on. No matter what he does next season (in the off chance he is in charge) he has lost a lot of the fans.

    For me, I cannot forgive the 3-0 humiliation to 5under1and, for that game to be followed up by the 6-0 annihilation at the hands at Liverpool at home is too much for me. Even if we had a good season up until that point that for me is too much, but the reality is that we’ve had an awful season thus far, and Pardew has been a massive factor in this awful season.

    It is naive to claim that had Ashley backed him in the summer we’d be experiencing the heady heights of 5th again, these are merely circumstances, circumstances that he, as a manager, is employed to work with.

    He was in no way given an impossible task, but he is on the verge of doing what many of us thought was impossible for us this season.

    So, with all that in mind, my sensible conclusion would be to get rid, start afresh and move on.

  • 39 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    IG @33, I would agree with that, he should be played a lot deeper, I also think Gouffran is a scorer and not a creator, but that’s only my opinion, which doesn’t mean anything as I don’t decide the tactics, all I do is support the team and the “manager” even if I feel he is wrong.

  • 40 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    King Panth

    Clarke spent a small fortune at Huddersfield, it was part of the reason he was given the boot.

  • 41 Toon Tang // May 10, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    reading between the lines, pards is saying we are probably going to suffer quadruple successive relegations and drop out the football league altogether under his management.

  • 42 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    The stats would somehow indicate that Gouffran is anything but a scorer, his record in Ligue 1 is around 1 goal in 4 games, not exactly prolific stuff.

    If this is his record in Ligue 1 what is there to suggest he would be prolific down the middle? Could be a decent second striker if he could work with Cisse, but other than Cisse, we are woefully short of goal scorers.

  • 43 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 6:44 PM


    Yes he did

  • 44 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    It doesn’t matter where they are from. Mentality is mentality. You either have it or you don’t. I’m for buying players with right attitude even if it cost little more but they don’t have to be from here.

    We had a British manager.Sunderland had an Italian manager.

    Our national team haven’t had enough mentality or skill to win something since 1966.

  • 45 Laurent Robert 32 // May 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Forget about any of the injuries concerned. Pardew can’t do the basics right by selecting players in their correct positions and showing evidence on the pitch that we have a plan to pass, move and retain possession. The simple basics of coaching.

    He can’t do it. He is lost, it’s over his ability. He’s just limited, therefore he bases his gameplan of direct football and all out direct one the 60th minute comes and Strolla is about to come on.

    If he has us defending for our lives against bottom of the league Reading at home, we have no hope.

  • 46 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Seriously Spoof?

    You support the manager even if you think he is wrong?

    He is not the team. He is the man responsible for the team and if he is getting it wrong then our team is a shambles, which it is.

    You don’t blindly support one man, you support a club, an entity, something that is not tangible. If he is not doing his duty then he isn’t untouchable.

    I’m not got to bother after this comment because I promised yesterday I wasn’t going to argue so that’s me, I’m out.

  • 47 mattnufc // May 10, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    His record has gradually improved though; 14 last season is a good figure.

  • 48 mattnufc // May 10, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    I think Beattie should be the next manager. What’s the odds?

  • 49 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 6:52 PM


    Gradually improving in Ligue 1, yes. 14 for a whole season, and 8 in 20 this season is decent, but there is nothing to suggest that he will work for us down the middle, especially given how short of “wing” men we are. Between now and the end of the season I’d still play him on the left with Cisse down the middle.

    Or do we dare go back to 4-4-2? I wouldn’t mind seeing 4-4-2 in all honesty, just to offer some solidity.

  • 50 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    I just think Gouffran is not the answer for our goal scoring problems. A good option to have but we badly need to improve in this area

  • 51 IndieGeordie // May 10, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    Spoof – Even if we have the makings of a good team, Pardew is in no way proving it is his team or he can manage this team the best way possible. Otherwise he would not be playing Sissoko- #10, Cabaye – so deep, Arfa – tracking back winger etc. The less said about Anita and the way he has handled him, the better.

    Pardew is not the one for fluid football, he is all rigid systems and that too, one too many in a single game itself. Our squad right now is better than that…

  • 52 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 10, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    “Alan Pardew will tell you that he tries to play good football – That’s rubbish, he plays long ball football. It’s very direct, there is no creativity in midfield, he just wants to play route one football. Every time I’ve seen his teams play, they play that way but he’ll say in the Press ‘we play good football.’ At times he can be a conman.” – ex player and pundit

    Stewart Robson when Pardew was appointed as Newcastle United’s manager.

  • 53 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    He’s scores more goals than Jonas.

  • 54 Spotlight Kid // May 10, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    It’s no longer Pardew’s fault. He should have been sacked weeks ago. The blame now lies 100% at Ashley’s door. Pardew has only been retained to distract attention as Ashley embarked on an end of season punt (or maybe a bet with DW) that, no matter what happened at NUFC, Wigan would go down.

    This is not about sound club ownership, but stupid rich men with petty vendettas and a need to gamble. Pardew is the patsy in the middle. An incompetent patsy, but a patsy nonetheless..

  • 55 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:00 PM


    No one’s advocating playing Jonas down the middle up front lad, bit of a moot point there

  • 56 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:01 PM


    There is not a single shred of evidence to back up what you’re saying. Ludicrous statement.

  • 57 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Thought for the day….

    I say the players should have the vote as to whether Pardew stays next season …reason ?… if they can play for him and respect him they will keep him, and if they don’t and they know they can’t work with him they will vote against him.

    After all it’s the players that have to work with him each day and if they are not in favour then they will not respond

    A secret ballot by the players would do the trick one way or the other.

    This could not be deemed to be player power would be done democratically as a group for the benefit of the club and, existing players working in an environment that they can thrive in-and thats what counts all things considered.

    Makes no sense Keeping a manager that the players feel they cannot work with ..So give them the say so ..thumbs up or thumbs down ..

    I can hear Pardew’s words now…… “Et tu Cabaye “?

  • 58 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    Ruddy, we are in a right mess, in all honesty I don’t believe that Pardew has handled the situation very well, in fact I think he has handled it very poorly, West Brom is a good example of his f–k ups, 1st half we murdered them, and contrary to this “he is incapable of getting a team to play decent football” we do play some very decent stuff, and we have done it regularly, but then in the second half you can see the midfielders have dropped 20 yards deeper which has put us on the back foot, and he has done this so many times, and as a result we have thrown away so many points.
    So why do I feel we should keep him, if you look at the clubs he has managed in the past they are all little tin pot clubs, we are massive and due to the pressure which he is under he is frightened and has adopted a take what we have got mentality, which has failed, what I hope for is that the experience will serve him well, hopefully in the summer when he reflects on the season he will see that we are better as an attacking outfit than than what we are as a defensive one, and he will rectify the mistakes which he is making, if he does that then we will be a good side. So many fans feel he will not do that which is why he should be sacked, but how many managers could come in and see what the mistakes were and could rectify them, very few, and the few who could would not entertain coming to us, in the eyes of the top football managers we are also a tin pot club, so we would end up with another Steve Bruce, Roberto Martinez etc, who cannot take clubs into the top six in the prem, so what purpose would sacking him serve, for me it would not serve any purpose at all, so keep him and allow him to learn from his mistakes.

  • 59 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    Online Guy

    The players are merely employees, what sort of message does that send out about how Newcastle United does business if a ballot by players is all it takes to oust the man in charge?

    It is most definitely player power, businesses don’t hire or fire managers based on democracy, it’s a football club not a government.

  • 60 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:06 PM


    What you’ve effectively described is a man who through his own arrogance, inability to handle pressure, and unwillingness to learn from the very mistakes you claim we should let him learn from has single handedly overseen a capitulation of epic proportions.

    In other words, he’s bottled it. I for one don’t want a bottler in charge of my football club.

  • 61 tooninspain // May 10, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Jail for Trash and Spotlight Kid…’s your dilemma for the day. NUFC get relegated and Ashley sells up, or we escape relegation and Ashley stays. What’s it to be?

  • 62 Laurent Robert 32 // May 10, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Indian – 51 that is classic. Priceless and bang on point.

  • 63 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Cabs play deep in France as well. Ribery/Robben plays track-down winger when they need to. Sissoko as 10 became the solution when we missed out on Remy/PEA in January.

  • 64 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Also, any manager worth his salt could take one look at the mistakes within our club and easily rectify them.

    1) Playing players out of position

    2) Playing “work horses” over quality players

    3) Only playing pressing football for 45mins or less

    4) Shocking set piece work

    5) Forcing attack minded players to focus on defence.

    6) Negative one dimensional substitutions.

    The list goes on and on.

    As for managers who wouldn’t want to come here? Seriously? We’re a massive prospect for any young ambitious manager, the continent, nay, the globe is full of them. You’re saying we couldn’t get one manager better than Pardew so it is better to stick with him?

    2 questions, what are ye smoking? And can I have a drag? ;)

  • 65 Novocastrian66 // May 10, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Online guy. Absolutely ridiculous. The players will not want any involvement in the decision making process on who the manager should be or should not be. Perhaps we should have T.V. debate on the referendum while we’re on.
    The players just want to play. Oh and bye the way, Newcastle United asked the players before who they wanted as their manager, funnily enough after finishing fifth. Guess what happened, we got relegated.

  • 66 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 10, 2013 at 7:15 PM


    robben is not french

  • 67 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous
    Jonas on top would be terrible idea. I would try Goofy now that we have both Marveux and Benny back.

  • 68 mattnufc // May 10, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    @ Ruddy Marveaux-lous
    I agree. From what Pardew was saying today, Remy was our replacement for Ba but he obviously didn’t arrive. Gouffran is a decent backup but we need a better striker in the summer.

  • 69 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Ruddy think of it in practical terms ..

    The chairman would be picking out the new manager ..players have no say so on that

    IIf players feel they cannot give their all for the present manager ..what sort of effort or they going to put in ? and will they leave if they feel they cannot work with him ?..I’m just getting the thought out there and pushing the reality of a situation ..

    Would you give your best for a manager you could not stand ?

    I will answer that for you …NO !

    Like it or not Players hold sway ..just look at what goes on at Chelsea ..and look at what Chelsea have achieved this season

    ..So in reality your Argument falls down around your ankles.

    Pull your draws up Ruddy ..your Brazilian is wonky.

  • 70 sparky55 // May 10, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    ED…I love the picture of Pardew at the centre of your web-site header…he looks awfully lost and confused which is of course very apt considering! Maybe we should have a caption contest and the winner gets their offering emblazoned in a caption bubble above his head until such time he’s sacked!

    I’ll start things off…”what day is it again?”

  • 71 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Indian Magpie
    I added it because he isn’t known for being a team player over here. He does it in the big games for Bayern though. Ribery on one side and Robben on the other. Sissoko have played track-back winger in France.

  • 72 APBWA // May 10, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Ryan Bertrand
    Kyle Naughton
    James McCarthy
    Callum McManaman
    Scott Sinclair
    Andros Townsend
    Junior Hoilett
    John Guidetti

    We should be looking to these young homegrown players to be part of the squad in the summer- replacing the likes of Simpson, Obertan, Ameobi, Amalfitano, Gutierrez.

    Obviously we need to focus on staying in the league first, but if we can’t beat QPR, we deserve to be relegated.

  • 73 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    Online Guy

    Any club that allows player power to determine who stays and who goes as manager leaves itself open to anarchy.

    Player power is effectively what saw SBR lose his job and he was the best manager we’ve had in recent years, or arguably ever.

    The competency of the man in charge is the first thing that needs to be addressed. If he is a competent manager and certain players don’t want to play for him then the logical conclusion is to sell those players.

    If the manager is an incompetent boob then surely the owner doesn’t need a ballot by the players to inform them of that fact.

    So where does your argument stack up now then?

  • 74 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM


    “Callum McManaman”?

    Erm what?

  • 75 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Novo .

    Thats because the players let the manager down …the Manager did not let the players down.. they wanted him at the time ..You need players to respond and play for the Gaffa ..just saying, if they detest the gaffa ..where do you think the team will be position wise next season ? they just ain’t going to play for him .P

    player opinion is valued at Chelsea and they don’t do too bad do they ?

    You’r living in an old fashioned world Novo ..the world and football has changed ..multi millionaire players do have some input these days know ?

    Saying all that I do like most of your posts om. always interesting from you ..just thought I would start a few fires on here and see if I can spark a debate ..

  • 76 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Ruddy, he hasn’t bottled it he just hasn’t handled it as well as he could have, arrogant, yes he is, but you try and tell me that Mourinho, Fergie, Clough, Wenger, Mancini, Capello ( at club level ) are not good managers who are also very arrogant then the chances are you will be totally wrong, arrogance is a vital ingredient to many successful sportsmen, look no further than Schumacher and Vettal in formula one, have you ever seen such arrogance, especially from Michael
    As far as the mistakes are concerned, they are from this season, if he is to learn from them we have got to give him next season to show that he has learnt, you would like to see him sacked, so in your opinion who should come in and what expectancy would you have, don’t forget that most managers take some former players with them, Fellaini and Baines could well end up at Man U, so if Fergie comes out of retirement to join us then great, Vidic and Rooney will do for me, Mourinho, yeah a couple of Real players great, the chances are we will end up with a Martinez or a Lee Clark, would you want their players to join, as pathetic and childish as this post sounds their is a point to it, Ashley being Ashley, we will only get 2/3 players in, do you really want that standard of player coming in, like I said earlier, be careful of what you wish for

  • 77 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:33 PM


    I must say I whole heartedly disagree with nearly everything you’ve said in your last post.

    Are you saying that a manager taking over a new club means it is a prerequisite that he must take some players from his former club? Flawed argument.

    As for the sportsmen you’ve described, yes they may be arrogant but they have the quality to back it up. Believing you are a world class manager and actually being a world class manager are 2 different things.

  • 78 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Rooney has played as a striker and a midfielder, Giggs has played as a winger and as a central midfielder, Carrick has played as a centre half, Welbeck has played as a winger and a striker, its just as well Fergie retired as he would surely be sacked for playing so many players out of position ?

  • 79 Joe Blog // May 10, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    This interview gives me hope. Sounds like he has an incline that he’s up for the chop.

    What would you like as your final meal, Patsy? Ham fist, pig’s ear, hind legs off a donkey, or good ol’ shite!?

  • 80 APBWA // May 10, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    McManaman would be a good option for us to have in the squad. Plenty of players have been hated by clubs, and then all is forgotten once he is your player

  • 81 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:36 PM


    Do you actually hear yourself? If we were top of the league, playing the sort of football Man U were playing, and winning with the regularity Fergie has done over his career then Pardew could play Cabaye in goals and have Sissoko minding the corner flag for all I’d flaming care.

    The very fact that you are comparing Fergie to Pardew begs belief. Truly staggering.

  • 82 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    Ruddy Sir …

    .My argument right now is it is happening and football has changed . Whether you suck it in or not.. Players do hold sway now .

    I do agree with you on the Sir Bobby Robson Sacking though ..that had nothing to do with me .

    Bobby had lost the players though ..Shearer set the ball rolling ..

    Things have changed Ruddy its the de rigueur for players to have more can have a pop at me but I’m sticking to my derringer on this one. Go Shave.

  • 83 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:39 PM


    There is also the small issue of McManaman and Haidara actually having to play with each other, signing him, or even attempting to sign him without priorly consulting how he’d feel about it would be showing him massive disrespect.

    Then there is the issue of how the fans would take to him, because I for one think he is a scumbag.

  • 84 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Ruddy the point which should be taken is that they were arrogant before they proved their worth, obviously being arrogant will not mean that you will succeed, but it should never be used as a point when you are giving reasons to dismiss someone.
    Of course there is no gaurantee that former players will come, but they usually do.

  • 85 toonbrother // May 10, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    “Once Newcastle are safe in the Premier League – and that could come as early as Sunday afternoon”

    Here we go again. I swear this blog is a bigger jinx than lawro

  • 86 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:42 PM


    Where once did I have a pop at you other than responding to the insults you were/still are throwing my way.

    You’ve no idea what sway players hold in the dressing room, you’re pointing to Chelsea as a shining example of how player power works without factoring in the fact that they have a multi-billionaire owner who has spent more than 1 billion pounds in a decade and has 3 PLs, 3 FA Cups and 1 CL to show for it. Not exactly value for money is it?

    If ever you want to have a grown up debate I will be here, otherwise take your childish insults and p**s off.

  • 87 toonbrother // May 10, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    One can only hope and dream Pardumb gets sacked by the big boss

  • 88 toonbrother // May 10, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    McMannaman? Honestly some fans have no shame

  • 89 Joe Blog // May 10, 2013 at 7:43 PM


    Alan is trying to fake it ’til he makes it, he’s fairly good at creating the illusion of aptitude – he must be, he has people like you defending him – his arrogance being one of his most important tools, thankfully, I’m starting believe the only thing he will be made is redundant.

  • 90 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    Just replying to a comment at the start of this thread, but Rene Girard speaks really good english! He’s had an ambition to work in england for a while! He’d be an ideal candidate for me! Also he can handle Belhanda on a daily basis which says alot for his man management, means he might do ok with HBA! Hes renound for developing young players, most of the montpellier team that won the title were from the youth team and he plucked giroud from obscurity! Also, if he can work with the montpellier owner then mike and derek will be a piece of cake, their owner is an absolute tool! Imagine llambias crossed with a tony fernandes’ need to be in the public eye!

  • 91 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    Ruddy…. your attacking everyone’r worse than me ..are you on medication ?..right I’m off to the Local ..Singing dancing and alcohol awaits me . Calm down kidda, calm down !

  • 92 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 7:45 PM


    Ha ha ha hah aha hahah ahah aha hahaha ha

  • 93 APBWA // May 10, 2013 at 7:46 PM


    An apology would be all it takes, and I don’t particularly like Rooney (albeit he’s no where near as good) but I’d have him in my team

  • 94 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:47 PM


    I just don’t see the merit of your argument, you’re lauding his arrogance. Pardew has shown no evidence that his arrogance is warranted in any degree.

    If Pardew was then to erupt into a world class manager overnight would you point to his arrogance as a vital ingredient in that? I’d have thought that tactical knowledge, man management, ability to cope under pressure and getting the best out of your players were more important factors in getting to that point.

    Also, Pardew is in his mid 50s, not exactly a young sportsman, if arrogance was as vital an ingredient in becoming a top sportsman then Pardew would have got there years ago…alas he has not.

  • 95 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    tbf spoof, thats tactically switched not habitually switched. And there’s the deeper issue of taking a player who has a game style and asking him to dilute some of that by being a cover for a different position. Getting Jonas to mind the netire wing and a section of defensive mid has blighted his game. HBA never will be a track-back winger, Sissoko is to far up to be his usual player taking the ball from deep and making splitting runs box to box. Cabaye plays so far back he no longer knows the correct pace to hit the ball! He doesn’t like to play AM’s at all and wants his box poachers to sit back too far to get any penetration through the defence quickly enough, forcing them to forage for chances and keep getting caught offside. And a load of other stuff. I will remember it all in a minute.

  • 96 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    McCarthy, Townsend and maybe Guidetti. I don’t see City or Spurs releasing cheap so, if Wigan goes down then we might be able to snap McCarthy. I prefer going for Will Hughes in Derby.

  • 97 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    Online Guy

    See there lies the difference between yourself and I, you assume that because I disagree with people I am attacking them, which is neither an understandable nor forgiveable mistake, but given that you have no sense of boundaries or whether it is in fact you who is attacking people I can see how you’d make that mistake.


    I never want to see him in the black and white, but that’s just my opinion.

  • 98 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    Id settle for pardew just swapping sissoko and cabaye around to be honest! Sissoko is much better further back, cabaye has the ability to play a riquelme role successfully! Away from home id play gouffran upfront ahead of cisse! Hes quicker and more intelligent! Played his best stuff up top on his own for bordeaux, they won a title that way

  • 99 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Ruddy, you need to calm down and have a look at yourself, you are giving reasons to dismiss Pardew, and I am trying to balance the debate, arrogance should not used as an excuse, you then say playing players out of position, Fergie does that, I have never compared Pardew to Fergie, what I did was to show your reason to be wrong by using one of the greatest managers of all time as an example of how the best do that, your response is to turn an example into a comparison, and no I am not suggesting that we should always play players out of position, and yes I do feel that Sissoko should be playing deeper, as for Cabaye being further forward, not to sure about, not for or against, but last season he was superb whilst playing deeper. apart from those two who else is playing in an alien role to them.

  • 100 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    I would add a picture to your post.

    If you can handle this guy:×351/272765_1.jpg
    Then you can handle Ashley.

  • 101 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:53 PM


    Gouffran’s scoring record during Bordeaux’s title winning season was…poor to say the least.

  • 102 davis_toons // May 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    Harry… is coming town….

  • 103 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    jayphoto – agreed. I think Gouffran has shown enough glimpses to suggest a try up front. I thought he did well with poor pickings at west ham, that one where he dropped in on the gk was almost a classic away winner.

  • 104 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 7:55 PM


    Ha haa hahah ahahaha hahah hahahaha

    It’s like watching Stephen Hawking have a debate with a pineapple

  • 105 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:55 PM


    Bit of advice, if you ever want me to take what you say seriously, don’t ever condescend again.

  • 106 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM


    Cisse playing on the wing, Sissoko playing as No 10, Marveaux playing on the wing, Jonas being on the pitch, Anita being on the bench, all of which are roles alien to these players.

    Also, what I said was Pardew could be forgiven for playing players out of position if it got us success, but look at the table Spoof, does that look like success to you?

  • 107 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    Ruddy @104
    Do you actually hear yourself? That is what you said to me and then you come out with that statement.

  • 108 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 7:59 PM


    You’re either too kind to me, or overly insulting to Spoof/Online Guy ;)

  • 109 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 8:01 PM


    Ha ha ha ha ha ha

    If online is a pineapple then spoof is a tin of pineapple chunks

  • 110 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 8:01 PM


    I’ve neither insulted you, nor patronised you, nor condescended.

    I just happen to think your arguments lack any basis or substance, which is my own opinion.

    You however made it personal by telling me to “calm down” and “look at yourself.”

    That was both patronising and condescending.

  • 111 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Come on lads this is probably the pettiest of rubbish arguments I have seen in a while. I usually enjoy them but I don’t like the ganging up thing, its a bit schoolyard.

  • 112 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    in fairness I have already said the same about Sissoko, Marveaux has not played that many games due to injury, but when he has most have been as a central midfielder, but when in France he was regularly used as a winger, so really thats not a fair critism.

  • 113 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    Spoof made good point comparing with Fergie.

    The question isn’t whether or not players are playing out of their normal position but rather why it is working for Fergie and not Pardew.

    Wrong instructions? One-dimensional player? Too many at once?

  • 114 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 8:06 PM


    No ganging up at all. I’ve not insulted a soul, I’m the poor victim here ;)

  • 115 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    Ruddy I have a friend that is a top manager, I also have friend’s that were top players in the 70’s tell me I have no Idea what’s going on again ?

    Neil McDonald @ West Ham is my cousin .. David Geddis is an inlaw uncle on my fathers side was in the Munich air disaster Manchester United Goalkeeper. ..I went to School with Alan Kennedy . Keith Kennedy , Used to train with Ritchy Pitt when he was at Sun*erland sit and eat egg and frigging chips with him and his brother in the small maisonette he was brought up in in Washington County Durham ..I grew with many players that became household names and you will know them and actually played me self. Friend of Jimmy Mullen ..Played against Pele for Sheffield Wednesday now tell me again I know nowt !. There are many more people in football I have played with and am long standing friends with .. so what was that you were saying ? Did I mention playing against Brian Robson . and many more you will know.? Did I mention Johnny Giles ..I lived with his family…if you need any more proof I know what I’m talking about when it comes to behind the scenes stuff I can provide it ….I don’t seek out info but time to time the conversation veers away from golf to Football ..Savvy ?

    So What was that you were saying ..again ?

  • 116 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    In the famous words of Lincoln Osiris:

    ”You went full retard man, you never go full reatrd”

  • 117 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 8:08 PM


    It’s the very fact that Pardew sees him as a No. 10 when he is clearly a box to box, I know he’s played down the wing, I wasn’t referring to that.

    The crux of the issue is that Pardew is not the man to take us forward and I find your defence of him to be feeble at best.

  • 118 DokToon // May 10, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    having mcmanamoron coem to the toon would be akin to me being from nyc and inviting an alqaeda member to brunch…

  • 119 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 8:10 PM


    1) None of what you’ve said proves you know anything about football.

    2) I never actually said you know nothing about football.

    So what is your problem?

  • 120 mattyNUFC // May 10, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    Been pretty swamped with work lately but still following the blog and comments regularly.

    I’ve stated discontents with pardew and his tactics since last season. Our finish last year was enough to get nearly all fans- not to mention the board- on his side regardless of the dross we were being served up.

    It’s nice to see the majority of fans well and truly over it now, not for the sake of me being proven right but because this really is the best crop of players we’ve had in ages. My only fears are that this season might have done enough to break that up and that MA will not dismiss him.

  • 121 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 8:12 PM


    My brother is Harry Styles but it doesn’t mean I know a fcuking thing about how to sing.

  • 122 Spoof // May 10, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Ruddy, it appears as if there has been crossed wires, I responded to your post only, now I am not the type to fight and squibble, and I get the immpression that you are of the same attitude, so should be put it down to crossed wires .
    Back to the debate, in a nutshell, I understand why people want him out, but I feel he deserves another season to prove himself, and coupled with an opinion that we would struggle to attract a top manager I just cannot see the benefits of getting rid now, in 12 months time if we have another disaster then yes, get rid, with that I must go as I work nightshift and have to get myself ready for work.

  • 123 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Ruddy are getting a bit too involved mate are tooo serious and need to stop and have a break ..this is all a bit of fun and entertainment ..please relax ..I’m saying that as an internet friend and a fellow Newcastle Supporter ..chill out man …I hope you don’t think I’m being patronising here with the above advice and comment ..I really mean chill out ..its not worth getting that Serious ..its just a bit of fun and I am not writing to attack you ..Good luck … Really.

  • 124 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    People really do need to lay off pards for a bit.

    If you want pards to be gone because he has had one good season and one bad one, presumably you also want the following players gone:


    Nobody wants them to leave because it is ridiculous to suggest that someone shoudlnt be allowed 1 bad season.

    What should happen is: pards should be backed in the summer and should have the first 10 weeks to show what he can do. If we are having a shocker, Pards goes if not he stays!

    Is that not a reasonable reaction to one good season and one bad?

  • 125 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    In all fairness Beattie, why would that qualify anyone to sing? It hasn’t done a lot for harry.

  • 126 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 8:17 PM


    Is your dads cousins wife’s ex brother in law a wind up merchant by any chance?

  • 127 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 8:17 PM


    I think you’re underselling our club. Many quality managers would jump at the chance to manage this club.

    On this point we disagree, I’d like to see Pards moved on, you’d like to see him given a chance. We’ll never see eye to eye truly if we disagree on this fundamental point so better to agree to disagree

  • 128 davis_toons // May 10, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Cisse comes in with head held high,
    Scoring goals like nobody business, until adopted to Pardew coaching , “defencing from the front.”
    He started to dance like a chicken in the farm.

  • 129 mattyNUFC // May 10, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Taking the piss

    Good to see u still are

  • 130 davis_toons // May 10, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    “defending from the front”

  • 131 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 8:19 PM


    I’m actually very relaxed, and I am not trying to fall out with you but you are actually being patronising and you have attacked me so I’m putting little or no stock in any “advice” you have for me ;)

  • 132 tooninspain // May 10, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    Beattie…..Harry Styles can’t sing either.

  • 133 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    Cisse, Cabaye and Tiote and proven throughout their careers that they have immense quality.

    What has Pardew shown in his career?

    One poor season doesn’t make a good player shit.

    One good season doesn’t make a shit manager good.

    Game and set Mr. Beattie

    New balls please

  • 134 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    Taking the P – you’ve done that thing where you have walked straight into an awkward situation and without realising it, said the wrong thing ha ha :)

  • 135 davis_toons // May 10, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    “defending from the front” was 1st originated from “The Potters”

  • 136 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    I can only assume that is massively sarcastic mattyNUFC!

    I think it is only fair to give someone a chance. People make mistakes and he shouldnt make excuses but hold his hands up and I think it is ashame that he hasn’t but I genuinely don’t know who you could get in. I have seen people talk about the Bayern manager on here? Seriously champions league final to 17th (hopefully) in the league. No chance!!!

    He deserves a chance and if you don’t think that, that is fine – but he earned ten games of next season last year.

  • 137 Newcastle Brown Alien // May 10, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    taking the papiss, cabaye has had good spells when not not injured, only recently he has been poor, cisse could have had 20 goals this season, if he had not had so many good goals chalked off, and i couldn’t care if we lost tiote
    but par dew has been poor all season

  • 138 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    *+18 post
    I used to sleep with Ashley’s daughter so I know don’t need to imagine what tight asshole Mike has.

    And it makes me an expert on all things Newcastle and Soccer.

  • 139 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Beattie what’s your point son?

    Trying to say I know less than the Average ? when it comes to playing the game ? will never see Goodison park etc from the pitch ..I have.

    Why you attacking me Beattie ..your usually decent and friendly and post ok stuff …or at least inneresting …now you’r letting yersel down attacking me for no reason other than you may feel inferior ? or threatned ? Ill settle for the former.’

  • 140 toonking // May 10, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    boy is it astonishing how easy it is for arguments to start if the football manager has been poor.
    football just gets worst every year.
    I generally believe myself when it comes to expectations and managers, Newcastle united are as bad as England with them because just like England fans, we ourselves-
    1)over rate players so easy. when a player joins us why did we manage to get him in the first place if he was that good a player why is he not joining a champions league team.
    2) just like England we think a manager that has had very good success will make us ourselves successful capello did very well for his clubs but didn’t win much for England macclarean got boro a league cup win and uefa cup final but didn’t even get England into a Euro finals.
    3) people think we a big club just because of how big our support and stadium is like it is with England simply because of how big the English league is.

  • 141 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    Tiote “immense quality throughout his career”. Would that have been as a £2m player from FC Twente? Pardew took West Ham to a cup final, took us to quarter final of the europa cup and finished 5th in the league. Obviously none of that is an achievement?

    I am fed up of coming on this blog and listening to people (a) suggest ludicrously unobtainable managers and (b) claim that they know how to manage the team. Particularly frustratingly are the people that want ben arfa and marveaux to play in the same team. Marveaux is great going forward but offers NOTHING tracking back. You would be murdered with both those players in the team.

    Perch was a shocking player before pards joined and has improved so much. presumably Pards had nothing to do with Cabaye’s excellent form last year, or the fact that he got some stunning performances out of Ben Arfa, or the run of games where we were smashing people 3-0 every week (I think starting at west brom). It is utter nonsense.

  • 142 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    I bumped into the Dalai Lama, the last one not the current one, last week in Farm Foods and he asked how my Uncle Wilhelm was getting on, I said sadly he never got used to exile in Belgium after losing the Great war and has since passed but my cousin Enrico Fermi sent his best and recommended the Party Tapas, my grandad Pablo Picasso swore by it when he fancied a snack after snooker at the Legion in Hetton.

  • 143 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Taking the P

    This isn’t just a poor season, it is one of the worst in living memory.

    Any credit he had in stock had been spent by losing 3-0 to the Mackems, 6-0 to Liverpool, conceding 66 goals to date, having us in a relegation battle, mishandling players, using rubbish tactics, giving awful press conferences, bringing the club into disrepute, wasting an entire season and much much more.

  • 144 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    This astonishing run of form where we were smashing people every week lasted for how long?

    Ben Arfa’s time at NUFC has been a mixed bag at best, and if the best Pardew can do is to get the best out of average players while failing to utilise excellent players to their full potential then I am sorry, he is not the man for this club.

  • 145 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Pards poor all season? So beating Anzhi and Metallist was poor work from Pards? Also presumably the two individual errors that meant we went out to Benfica was Pards fault?

    For goodness sake, he has made mistakes but you are kidding yourself if you tell me that this is all Pards fault and not the players. Also if you think Cabaye has had good spells this season, you must be mad. He hasn’t been on his game at all and his ball retention has been awful. Cisse has also been very poor and even though he has ascored he has missed alot of cances.

    I want to keep all of them. My point is that if you are going to criticise pards for one bad season criticise all the players too.

  • 146 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM


    he managed 11 unbeaten at start of season and 6 wins in a row with a combined goal difference of 13-1 as well? Don’t kid yourself that we weren’t excellent last year

  • 147 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 8:34 PM


    Woah, touched a nerve did I?

    I have seen Everton from the pitch actually.

    My girlfriend performed White Christmas, a Bill Kenwright production and all performers and partners were not only were allowed onto the pitch., but also met the players…so…I guess I win this round?

    Look I have no beef with you I just think you were purposefully trying to wind up Ruddy and were either claiming you knew lots about football because you know football people or you were being a mischievous little so and so.

    Now I’ll admit I had no dog in the fight but I was merely pointing out that it doesn’t matter who you know. They can regale stories and allow you to enter social circles we mere mortals can only dream of, but it doesn’t mean you understand anything better or worse than anyone else.

    Now if you had coaching badges I’d be impressed.

    I usually enjoy your comments but it just seemed petty. Who am I to talk eh?

    Dearie me.

  • 148 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    Ruddy the written word can be understood in way’s of misinterpretation…. easily.

    The spoken word in person, with inflections of manner and voice ..not to mention fair nature , is harder to misrepresent

    I tell you without fear of contradiction from others
    I mean well when I say, take it easy .

  • 149 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Beattie …I will settle for mischievous .

  • 150 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    That 11 game unbeaten run, while impressive, was founded on a solid defence, HBA couldn’t get into the team at that time, and even Santon sat on the bench and only got a game when Raylor got injured.

    We done well in spells last season, and but we only truly played attack minded football in spells last season, and we’ve got found out this season.

    Results were excellent, yes. Performances? Not so sure.

  • 151 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Taking the P

    Can you record your posts in vocal form and upload them to youtube.

    Just the kind of boring and repetitive nonsense I like to hear before I fall asleep at night.

    I usually listen Adele but your whining is much worse.

  • 152 one Tony Green // May 10, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Getting a bit feisty on here tonight. Name calling , name dropping and not even 9pm.
    Ed see what happens when you post an article saying don’t debate Mr Pardew.

  • 153 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    @onlineguy is neil mcdonald your cousin? I used to spend summer as a kid opposite his mum mrs mac’s house in wallsend! His brother was a canny footballer back in the day! Top people!

  • 154 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    What has Pardew shown in his career?

    One poor season doesn’t make a good player shit.

    One good season doesn’t make a shit manager good.

    Game and set Mr. Beattie

    New balls please

    Totally self contradictory argument Mr Beattie… no balls at all for that one

  • 155 Tsunki // May 10, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    Quick Ed – put up a ‘Should Shola retire and become new manager?’ article. That should calm things down a bit ;)

  • 156 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    Anything but another andy carroll thread….

  • 157 one Tony Green // May 10, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Class Tsunki

  • 158 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 8:44 PM


    If your comments are so open to interpretation as to seem patronising and condescending then perhaps you need to take a look at how your written word comes across.

    You probably don’t mean any harm but I did take exception to what you were saying, and the manner of which I perceived you to say it.

    I’m perfectly relaxed, or “chilled out”, but I can only take you at face value from what you write on the blog. Still not paying much heed to the advice mind ;)

  • 159 one Tony Green // May 10, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    Harry Rednapp is on his way.

  • 160 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Beattie you really are a naughty little keyboard warrior aren’t you. I commute a 7 hour round trip from London every other week to watch the games and has just as much of a right to an opinion as you. Your name calling at a difference of opinion is frankly pathetic.

    You don’t like the manager – we all get that fine. There are clearly arguments that he should go but equally that he should have another season. I am in the second camp, deal with it I am not sulking off because you disagree with me.

  • 161 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 8:47 PM


    Why was it contradictory?


    Mutually opposed or inconsistent.

    A contradictory proposition.

    conflicting – inconsistent – discrepant – contradictious

  • 162 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    IM actually enjoying the banter here ..Beattie, Ruddy …its the way it should be ..differing opinions and healthy ..ahem ! argument ..but you lot are stopping me from going for a pint !…and its Friday Night ..So bring on the dancing Girls and hey ho ! .. btw Ruddy, Beattie ..I don’t speak with forked tounge you know ..I’m just having a laugh here ..Lifes too short …..Ruddy?,,, Chill.

    Beattie I dont talk from no experience you know?

    I’v been there and done it …you will know me.

  • 163 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 8:49 PM


    Continue to stir the pot if you will but I will always want the last word ;)

  • 164 Ketsbaia9 // May 10, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    Deschamps laughed when he found out Pardew was playing Moussa Sissoko in the attacking midfield role.

    Pardew needs to put the best players on the pitch in their preferred positions.

    Callum Mcmanaman is a very good footballer. Sure he’ll be an England international soon. Still should have been banned for the season after that challenge on Massadio.

  • 165 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    Ruddy why don’t you look at how you perceive ‘the written word, and try not to think folks are against you ..its Better for your health man ..chill out . I mean well..take it as said me.

  • 166 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 8:54 PM


    I perceive the written word just fine, and you’re jumping the gun if you think that I think folks are against me, by and large they’re not, just because I think you’re stirring (which you still are) doesn’t mean I think they’re against me.

    You’re putting the cart before the horse there lad.

    I do want that last word though ;)

  • 167 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    Why on Earth do people use the same response to me time and time again.

    IT used to be original now it’s just boring.

    The whole ‘we are entitled to opinions’ or ‘just because I don’t share you opinion doesn’t mean you can abuse me’.

    I’m not saying your a cock because you don’t share my opinion. I’m saying it because you can’t back up your opinion with clear, structured, and well thought out arguments that are original, interesting and factual.

    It’s the same old boring rubbish and after presenting new angles, varied perspectives and open ended viewpoints the least we (and I) deserve is that in return.

  • 168 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 8:56 PM


    You are an enigma…

  • 169 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    Jayphoto .

    .Aye ! me Grandfather Eddie McDonald. all his brothers and sisters Wallsend and Newcastle ..Battle Hill for Neil early doors area . Do you know they were considered very posh back in the 1800’s ..because the McDonalds had a horse and cart !.

  • 170 catchy in norway // May 10, 2013 at 9:00 PM


    i think im the same as you, in the way that newcastle are my team, and i have grown up protecting them from my own little world

    i was born in felling, 73 , moved to washington in 78, but even though i was 5 newcastle where my team, by the time i joined oxclose comp, in 84 i was of of only 5 newcastle supporters in the whole school, and i did have fights about it, but i remember wearing my silver NUFC away strip with pride,,

    moved to gosforth when i was 12 , and had developed a bit of a mackam accent, and got loads of shit for that, got suspended from school for smacking a kid called stacey, ( yeh a boy), for saying i was a sunderland supporter,

    but i recon i really fell in love with football in 86, mexico world cup, beardo, setting up a hatrick for lineker, from then on, he was my hero,

    i played football every day and every night, and when there was no games , me and my younger brother, just practiced passing for ball control,,

    iused to deliver the pink lol, 2 things stand out from that,, gazza and vinny, and the day steven taylor signed for us

    when KK took over, thats when i tried my best to get to matches, at that point there was a 15000 waiting list, but i still got to see a few matches, and most of the reserve games,,
    started being a steward, so i could get into watch the matches,, got to see loads this way

    i played 2 seasons for ST petters club in byker ( the bottom club) as a striker
    and played in 3 5 aside leagues 2 in dunston activty center, thursday and friday, and tuseday was pitz in dunston,
    monday nights was just a nock about with friends,, but they would not let me or my brother on the same team

    my love for football isnt just a social thing, its what i like, i would like to think i understand it, i understand positions, you dont need a great team to play good football, for me its more about fitting the players you have into a system that lets you get the best out of as many of those as possible,

    and i really dont care what most think on here, AP has been the wrong choice from day one,, and most said it from the start to, but most got blinded by the league table last year and totally forgot about the football side of things
    we had no foundations to kick on, other than we had a group of good players,
    and i beg any one of you to try and re watch some of our games from last season, our team was totally dissjointed,

    AP fit players he like into an 11 on the field, and that is it,
    he really does not understand who should be where, as long as he can keep his senior players happy, he stumbled on a formation that worked last year, 433, this formation carried Ba on the left, and come the start of a new season, he simply refused to try and see if it worked again, he would rather carry cisse as a right winger t no affect, and new this, so just started pumping long balls up to Ba, bypassing our MF,
    the guy has no clue about football, and he has made a great living from it, its a crying shame

    im not ashamed to say , SAF will be a huge miss, he understud the game, new how to play it and new how to get the best out of average joe players, wasnt afraid to drop or sell his star players,, he ran the club,, pardew is just along for the ride,, milking it, taking credit for the good times, blaming every man and his dog for the bad times,,

    if he stays,, more sad times ahead

  • 171 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Ok how would you like me to back up my argument that he has had one good season and one bad one.?Last season we finished 5th this season we will probably finish 17th.

    I guess I have now provided the proof you required. You really are inordinately thick sometimes aren’t you? Is there anything else that you would like me to prove or can you focus your little mind for just one second on the issue and realise there is more than one possible conclusion that can be drawn?

  • 172 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:01 PM


    During the heady days of OV the same tired old cliche would be rolled out time and time again, and I must say I am with you on being bored with the “we’re entitled to our opinions” line.

    I’d be of the opinion that if you cannot stand by your opinion with reason and logic then no, no you are not entitled to your opinion and I should be allowed to tear it to pieces if I see fit :P

    Tongue firmly in cheek of course ;)

  • 173 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    That’s not exactly standing by your opinion, you’re merely stating facts. You’re not taking into account all the factors that afforded us a 5th placed finish, nor are you taking into account all the factors that have led to our dismal season this season.

    You’re taking a black and white (pardon the pun) view of things. A lot of people would argue that last season Pardew was rubbish and that other factors masked that, whereas people would say this season Pardew is brilliant and that other factors have masked that.

    So, who is right?

  • 174 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Sweet Jesus – its like chasing your tail. So you wanted proof, i gave you proof and then it doesn’t count because its fact.

    You have just made my point for me – people have different opinions and so they can come on here and discuss it without some muppet getting abusive.

  • 175 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    One poor season doesn’t make a good player shit.
    One poor season doesn’t make a good manager shit.

    One good season doesn’t make a shit manager good.
    One good season doesn’t make a shit player good.

    You can play with these reversals and if they contradict then the argument is illogical.


  • 176 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Beattie ..did you really mean to write ..Enigmatic ?

    you know leaving people wondering …? Same thing I suppose .. I jest of course .

    I am off for a pint .. you and Ruddy are stopping me . Ruddy have the last word ..
    Your welcome.

    .I will get a medal struck in your name. now please relax.

    Chocolate or Pig Iron ?

  • 177 toon252 // May 10, 2013 at 9:12 PM


    Alan Pardew Win Percentage career: 35.5%

    Alan Pardew Win Percentage NUFC: 33.65%

    Alan Pardew League Titles:0

    Alan Pardew Cups:0

    Alan Pardew Sackings:3

    Alan Pardew highest finish in premier league :5th

    Alan Pardew lowest finish in premier league:19th

    Newcastle United Long Balls this season: Most in premiership

    Newcastle United goals conceded this season: 66(league)

    Newcastle United goals scored this season:43

    Newcastle United goals scored under Alan Pardew:109(league&cup)

    Newcastle United Goals Conceded under Alan Pardew:123 (league&cup)

    The proof is in the pudding – Alan Pardew shouldn’t manage us next season.

  • 178 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:12 PM


    thanks for explaining it – i would have thought it would be fairly self-explanatory for someone that has managed to copy and paste the meaning of a word from an online dictionary!

    Sometimes it’s painful on here! I haven’t been following much recently as I have been busy at work – what is your view on Pards?

  • 179 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    Don’t masquerade facts as opinions, because it doesn’t count


    Thanks I will have the last word

  • 180 breno95 // May 10, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    The arguments for and against Pardew will/should all be won/lost on Sunday night.
    Since Tuesday Pardew has, like us all, been very much aware that a win at QPR will ensure our PL status.
    If he is really a good manager then he will have the right team set up and get the win needed. With the exception of Krul and Sissoko he has all of his purples available. No excuses anymore. As the saying goes “cometh the hour, cometh the man” or words to that affect. Am surr Ruddy will put me right (alright buddy ruddy?).
    As we all appear to know better than the manager on here what would people see as the right 11 to play. Mine would be:-
    thats a good, solid 11 to win but am sure opinions will vary.

  • 181 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    To say one is an enigma and enigmatic is the same thing…

  • 182 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    toon252, presumably you want us to appoint someone that has league titles, trophies, a higher win percentage and has finished higher than 5th in the league. IF you can give me 1 name that fits that bill and would accept the job, i will agree that he should be our next manager

  • 183 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:16 PM


    You’re right, for the sake of our fragile truce I wouldn’t correct you even if it was wrong :P

  • 184 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    Taking the Papiss


  • 185 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // May 10, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Does a 40 yard pin point pass count as a long ball?

  • 186 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Masquerade facts as opinions? Lets walk through this slowly so there is no doubt:

    Opinion – Pardew deserves another season as manager based on the fact that he has had one good season as manager and one bad season. He should therefore be given the opportunity to demonstrate that he is capable of having another good season.

    Facts to back up opinion: One season we finished 5th (ie the good season). One season we will finish 17th (ie the bad season).

    I hope that helps

  • 187 toon252 // May 10, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    Highlight the 3 career sackings, win percentage, goals scored to goals conceded, relegations.

    YO-YO, taking the pappiss

    That’s what defines a manager –

    He is rubbish, he has always been rubbish, I admire your faith but your faith sounds like that of a catholic family that knows the priest is touching their kids yet sweeps it under the carpet.

    Alan Pardew is the priest and NUFC is the Kid – You keep sweeping it under the carpet and your going to end up with some pretty damaged kids!

  • 188 toon252 // May 10, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    Papiss –

    So you want a manager that has relegated a club in his last premiership experience. been sacked from 3 clubs and left the two he didn’t actually get to relegate in the relegation zone for when the next manager came in!

    Get a grip man!

  • 189 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    I have to admit that Benitez is a good suggestion although he wouldn’t take the job, hasn’t won a title and has got a 50% winning percentage with a team that has cost over half a billion to assemble. I have to say if you could guarantee Benitez would replace Pards i wouldn’t mind, but I have no doubt that with big jobs available this summer and as a likely europa cup winner we have no chance of getting him

  • 190 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // May 10, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    @toon252 ate you a Catholic?

  • 191 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    I understand what you’re saying, as complex as the whole discussion is…

    In my view, it’s wrong to adopt a “let’s wait and see” approach because I think he will never have the same fortune to enable him to ever finish 5th again. On reflection, a lot of our football last season was defensive and negative that relied a lot on luck.

    That has carried on into this season, however, we’ve suffered worse injuries, an added competition, key players under performing and a manager who has shown his incompetence in dealing with said circumstances, all of which has contributed to us being 17th.

    Conclusion: Get rid.

  • 192 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    toon252 – all the things that you are complaining about Pardew for ie sacking at other clubs were also true at the end of last season. Presumably that means that you also wanted him sacked when we finsihed 5th?

  • 193 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    Benitez is a great suggestion, given that he’s won the La Liga twice…

  • 194 shroomnufc // May 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    I have read this blog for a while niw but never posted until now. I think pards should go. We have so many good players but playing with no confidence and belief and I just think pards has not got the ability to install this in the players.

  • 195 ONLINE GUY // May 10, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Ruddy I did say I jest …its just I prefer the latter…if you’r in the area I’m off to the George Hotel at Chollerford.. Buy you a pint will recognise me by my low cut top and hot pants hot pants and fishnets..

    No, I’m wearing a Martin Guitar tee-shirt.

  • 196 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // May 10, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    @ruddy can we not rely on luck?
    our top buys will be a rabbit foot and a horse shoe.
    We can hire more Irish (as in “the luck of the”) and on match day every member of the squad Must prepare by finding pennies on the floor. The guys with the most pennies found start..

  • 197 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 9:26 PM


    great to see you ‘avin a truce – that’s Toon Spirit for you :)

  • 198 shroomnufc // May 10, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Plus yeah we finished 5th last year but I watched every singke game and alot of the gamed we were very lucky very lucky

  • 199 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Ruddy, I agree that is a perfectly reasonable opinion to hold it just happens not to be my opinion. It is precisely because key players have underperformed, the injuries have been terrible and pards didnt get the players he needed in the summer that i think he gets another chance. With the additional players and no europa league next season, if he starts performing poorly he should go. Obviously he is no angel and i would like him to put players in the correct position but for example everyone is moaning about sissoko playing as an attacking midfielder now but nobody was moaning after the games against villa nd chelsea! At that point in looked inspired to play him there!

    Sorry for being needlessly sarcastic but I am fed up of people on this blog essentially getting bullied for perfectly reasonable opinions. If you don’t agree, fine! But don’t call someone a cock for it!

  • 200 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    Also point taken on benitez – was referring to premier league but obviously it is accepted that he won the league in Spain. Again like i said would be fine with Pards leaving if you could guarantee benitez as replacement but i wont happen!

  • 201 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:30 PM


    See, that’s why we need you in charge of recruitment and not Carr. In PPB we trust!


    It’s a tentative one, isn’t it Breno? ;) But I’m filled with Toon spirit….haha


    I’m in N.Ireland for the next few months lad, but from Sept onwards I’ll be fit to join you for a pint, mines a Jameson and water ;)

  • 202 toon252 // May 10, 2013 at 9:30 PM


    I was calling for Pardews sacking when we were in the champions league spot – I hated the fact that it would let them mindless fans be fooled into thinking that a man who has proved over his full career that he is an incompetent manager who favours a negative long ball game is a good manager.

    What more do you need? You have his statistics over 2 seasons at nufc, his past record as a manager, former players and pundits who have played under him and worked aside him stating that he favours the long ball game.

    Have you actually watched any of the games? Winning against Reading at home and he takes off two creative players to replace them with defensive players. Employs the Long Ball game and we lose.

    Not only that – Today he says that the fans “can’t expect milk and honey ever year” – Should we accept mediocre performances and league positions? He basically has said that we are a small club and cant expect to challenge the top 6 every year! He is a first rate idiot!

  • 203 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    Sorry I fell asleep.

  • 204 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    Ruddy “In my view, it’s wrong to adopt a “let’s wait and see” approach because I think he will never have the same fortune to enable him to ever finish 5th again. On reflection, a lot of our football last season was defensive and negative that relied a lot on luck”.
    Explain to me how you can finish 5th in the hardest league on the planet playing negative,defensive football,and since when has luck been a bad thing
    “That has carried on into this season, however, we’ve suffered worse injuries, an added competition, key players under performing and a manager who has shown his incompetence in dealing with said circumstances, all of which has contributed to us being 17th.
    How do you deal with what is left after those reasons you gave?,Key players under performing,added competition and worse injuries.You forgot to mention Ba leaving and no investment in the summer.The only thing you can do then is buy and we did

  • 205 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    @onlineguy posh? Geez id never believe it! Ha! Mrs mac and my nan were best friends for like 60 years, never called themselves by their first names tho, was always mrs finn or mrs mac! Lol can’t beat wallsend! Its gods own country

  • 206 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 9:31 PM


    That was beautiful, poignant and something the majority can relate to and the few can be jealous of.

  • 207 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:31 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    Before the 5unde1and and Liverpool games I was even willing to give him until Xmas to turn it around.

    Now, I cannot forgive him.

    Benitez still has an excellent PL win % even if he hasn’t won a title so he would still be a considerable step up from Pardew if we managed to get him in

  • 208 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    toon252 if that is your view fair enough, but I do disagree. Obviously against reading mistakes were made but on the flip side i thought our tactics in both games against benfica were very good and had it not been for two horrendous individual errors we would have won that tie which would have been extremely impressive.

  • 209 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 9:35 PM


    I was not expressing any opinion on Pardew – only the conradictions in Beatties ‘new balls’ argument.

    As it happens I have supported / tolerated Pardew despite the fact I was very disappointed when he joined the Toon. I’m more sanguine about the balance in apportioning blame for this abysmal season but, on balance, I think his limitations exceed his advantages now.
    This is not for the same reasons as most bloggers do. My view is that he is too inconsistent and has failed to strengthen the defence in the time he’s been here. Goals against is my key yardstick. Last year fifth didn’t stop us shippping 50 odd goals.

  • 210 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:35 PM


    You genuinely think we played fluid attacking football last season? (bar the 5 games from West Brom away until Stoke at home)

    We had 2 red hot strikers as well, something you cannot bargain for every season.

    Yes he was dealt a poor hand in the summer but that was rectified by the January signings, we were 13th when they joined, now we are 17th.

    The players we have are good enough, the manager is not.

  • 211 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Ruddy- agree that the Sunderland and Liverpool games were horrendous (made a lot worse by the 4 train back home). Fact is though that I am still willing to give him that chance.

    Again, Benitez is a good shout but I think it is highly unlikely he would consider the job (especially without being promised heaps of cash to spend)

  • 212 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 9:36 PM


    ‘Smells like Toon Spirit’ – famous Irish band I think ?

  • 213 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    I also genuinely don’t believe it is fair to apportion last season’s good results to good luck unless you are willing to apportion large numbers of this season’s bad results to bad luck

  • 214 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:40 PM


    Well if it isn’t then it’ll be the name of my band…when I finally learn the guitar properly and finally find people who like me…

    Taking the Papiss

    Well there aren’t many other options for Rafa if he wants to stay in England, the managerial merry go round that might happen could surprise us this summer and Benitez could go to a team no one expects him to but other than us I don’t see many better options for him in the PL

    We’re a sleeping giant, why could we not get Benitez? Don’t we deserve a manager of his calibre? Can’t we finally be awoken just like Dortmund have been awoken under Klopp?

  • 215 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    You completely missed my point earlier,the point i was trying to make is that since the premier league began,in the 20 and a half seasons,we have had 3 managers finish in the top 5,that is a relative success every 6.5 seasons.The fact is you don’t know what a manager is going to be like until he manages the club,Benitez or whoever,One comes along who leads us to 5th when nobody thought he would,he has a nightmare this season for reasons i have already mentioned,and we want rid.It is a fact that you don’t get success by changing manager every couple of seasons.What would your definition of success have to be for a new manager coming in for you to fully back him?,winning the league in his 1st season?

  • 216 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 9:42 PM

    Yo Yo

    You don’t seem to understand contradiction even though as your slightly more idiotic buddy Taking the Papiss pointed out I put the explanation there.

    It isn’t contradictory or illogical.

    I put that one poor season doesn’t make a good player shit.

    Meaning that a player that is good will always be good regardless of one poor season (e.g. Cabaye. Had a poor season but is a good player).

    Now by using the exact same formula but translating it to last season I then signified my opinion that ‘one good season doesn’t make a shit manager good’ (e.g. Pardew had a good season but is a shit manager).

    Now their is not one iota of contradiction. I have used the same formula for separate attributes and came to different answers but the same conclusion.

    If you are a good player/manager then one season doesn’t make you shit.

    If you are a shit manager/player then one season doesn’t make you good.

    Now please either apologise for disgracing the human race or shut up.

    A contradiction would be to say Pardew is a good manager but I think he is poor.

    God I’m giving lessons on the English language now.

  • 217 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    T TP

    I think Rafa might come to the Toon as we are a challenge. He has already proved himself in almost all the clubs he’s worked at.. except Inter where his win % slumped to 40% :)

  • 218 t00ntime // May 10, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    I was on twitter earlier today, and someone pointed out that over the last season we are one of the biggest spenders. Naturally I didnt believe them but then when he showed me the numbers we have spent 42million with only 1 player leaving for money (Ba).

    I’m shocked, we have brought in alot of players for that amount so its not like we spend big on a player, but we spend quite well in total. 42million should be more than enough in 2 seasons for an improvement first season and aiming for the same postion 2nd. The fact that AP has had so much spent and yet we went from improvement to relegation fight is amazing. People saying MA should get his cash out, put urself in his shoes we have spent more than most clubs and yet AP shows no real improvement (1high finish between 2 low isnt really an improvement) would you really want to invest more? no.

    you spend money to earn more in the long run. but if the money is just seemingly going down the drain, you’re going to stop paying it.
    I’m not going to blame MA for this season. I would of but 18mil spent in jan and no visable improvement (infact after 3 games we probably got worse) its obvious to me that this season is down to the players or/and alan pardew.

  • 219 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 9:47 PM


    An argument is contradictory if the converse invalidates the conclusion. It’s called logic.

    Don’t try to insult or patronise your way out of this one… as I am not going to reduce myself to your level

  • 220 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 9:48 PM


    Have you not learnt anything from my posts?

    I am not yearning for success. I am yearning for good football.

    If we are never going to challenge atte very top we may as well play some good stuff that people can enjoy.

    You are right though. We never know if a managers going to be a success. But we know this one isn’t so why not keep looking for the one in a million that can take us to the next level.

    You wouldn’t buy a lottery ticket and when you don’t win keep that ticket hoping it comes up trumps.

    You buy another ticket because the one you have is never going to win.

    If we have learnt anything from this season it is you can’t stand still or else you go backwards.

    Keeping Pardew is standing still.

  • 221 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Beattie you really are impossibly dim if you can’t understand that basic a point.

  • 222 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Yo Yo

    How has converse invalidated the conclusion?

  • 223 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    ssshhhhh sweetheart.

    I’m talking to the organ grinder not the monkey.

  • 224 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    Yo yo

    The converse hasn’t invalidated the conclusion:

    Beattie’s conclusion was;

    1 good season doesn’t make a bad manager good

    The converse of this is;

    1 bad season doesn’t make a good manager bad

    Neither are invalid.

  • 225 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    would you like to play the sort of good football that Peterborough have played this year that got them relegated from the championship? What about Wigan. In fact Wigan have loads of spare seats so nobody would have sit next to you and deal with your intolerable drivel.

  • 226 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    Beattie’s conclusion is based on the preconceived notion that Pardew is a bad manager, not a good one.

  • 227 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 9:53 PM


    Life’s too short – just google logical contradictions.

  • 228 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    Is that the same Wigan that could still relegate us?

  • 229 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    It does invalidate the conclusion…

    Manager A has 1 good season and 1 bad season i.e. you could draw two conclusions.

    You could say that he is a good manager that had a bad season or a bad manager that had a good season. simples

  • 230 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Yo Yo

    It’s ok to admit you’re wrong. I’d do it.

  • 231 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    The problem was half solved in January,it worked for 2 games maybe because of the initial confidence boost for the squad,why isn’t anybody mentioning the fact that they have struggled to settle into the pace of the Prem?,they are not bad players,they need a season to adjust.People think you can just throw them into the team and expect miracles and it remains to be seen whether or not the gamble worked.

  • 232 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    When applied to Pardew, if you are of the opinion that he is a bad manager it is not invalid.

  • 233 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    So is Everton going to take the next step or are they in relegation battle next season?

  • 234 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    Ok so presumably if Wigan do get relegated and not us then you would still rather play their sort of football?>

  • 235 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    not applying it to Pardew just using an easy example to illustrate yo-yo’s point

  • 236 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    A club with the resources and infrastructure of Wigan shouldn’t even be in the PL. Without their brand of football they’d have been relegated a few years ago.

    Apply their philosophy to the players we have, coupled with better defending, you have the makings of a fluid potent threat.

  • 237 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    Yo Yo

    Do you remember this?


    As one of the most aggressive and self confessed arrogant posters on here and one who frequently takes the hatchet to any opinion even mildly different to your own – you really do satisfy the definition of hypocrisy you use so often against others.

    Why am I a hypocrite?

    I know what I am and admit to it. I know what you are and you hate the fact we are very similar. You would never admit that though.

    It is clear you do not understand the English language

  • 238 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    I realise what you’re doing, you’re generalising, whereas I am specifying.

    In our instance we can only be specific.

  • 239 stuart no9 // May 10, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    getting benitez in sounds like heaven on earth – music to my ears , is it goung to happen ? i hope so .ash has got to do the decent thing and give him his ” pardew 45 ” and tell him to sling it. i hear pards was getting some abuse on radio newcastle tonight – any one hear it ?

  • 240 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    yo-yo // Apr 23, 2013 at 10:48 PM


    As one of the most aggressive and self confessed arrogant posters on here and one who frequently takes the hatchet to any opinion even mildly different to your own – you really do satisfy the definition of hypocrisy you use so often against others.

    Beattie25 // Apr 23, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    Why am I a hypocrite?

    I know what I am and admit to it. I know what you are and you hate the fact we are very similar. You would never admit that though

  • 241 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:00 PM


    Agree totally, If you dress up opinions with prejudged values as you yourself state @225 then surely you can’t even pretend it’s logical. That’s just inviting someone to kick down your sandcastle.

  • 242 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:00 PM


    I don’t understand what you mean?

  • 243 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    OK ignore Wigan what about blackpool? they played good football and got relegated. I want my team to compete whatever happens. Last year we played good football mainly because players like Cabaye, Ba Tiote, Collocini were on the pitch and playing well – we havent managed that this year!

  • 244 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    Why don’t you want success?,surely it’s every fans dream for their team to be successful,i might be off the mark here but am i right in saying that you think we are not going to win anything so we should settle for good football on the off chance we get a great manager?,really?.

  • 245 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    Yo Yo

    You are not speaking any sense.

  • 246 Sack Llambias // May 10, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    198Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 9:27 PM
    Excellent summary to the alternative view which a good many share but can’t be asked because they don’t want to engage with the two clowns. Ruddy I don’t know but Beattie is well known to the local betting community.
    Ruddy, I agree that is a perfectly reasonable opinion to hold it just happens not to be my opinion. It is precisely because key players have underperformed, the injuries have been terrible and pards didnt get the players he needed in the summer that i think he gets another chance. With the additional players and no europa league next season, if he starts performing poorly he should go. Obviously he is no angel and i would like him to put players in the correct position but for example everyone is moaning about sissoko playing as an attacking midfielder now but nobody was moaning after the games against villa nd chelsea! At that point in looked inspired to play him there!

    Sorry for being needlessly sarcastic but I am fed up of people on this blog essentially getting bullied for perfectly reasonable opinions. If you don’t agree, fine! But don’t call someone a cock for it!
    Good for you it’s about time someone on here stood up to the bully boys. They should not be allowed to intimidate the fans that don’t share their views. Let’s wait until the season is over before deciding to pull the rug or otherwise on Pardew. Beattie and Ruddy do not live in the north east and do not have a clue about the degree of support there is for Pardew. Our energies should be fully focussed in support of the team.
    The fans at QPR will be behind Pardew and the lads as they always are. HWTL.

  • 247 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    Yo yo

    I’m not saying that’s right or wrong to do, I myself would be inclined to agree with Beattie on that basis, is it 100% logical, maybe not, but to claim it is an invalid conclusion is wrong in my view as our personal opinions will cloud reasoned logic some of the time.

  • 248 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    The point about a good manager having a bad season or a bad having a good is also sort of irrelevant in this context. I can guarantee that if we got Sir Alex Ferguson in next year and we were 16th at Xmas people would want him gone.

  • 249 JTOONJ // May 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    stuart no9

    Mate, best forget benitez he’d require a slightly larger transfer budget than we can offer, and wouldn’t want the squad we have… yes i know we have good players but my guess is that he’d prefer a spanish contingent in a team he would want to build, therefor i doubt we’d get him! more likely to be a french manager if we get a new one.. which i doubt!

  • 250 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Sack Llambias

    Who are you to judge me based on where I live?

  • 251 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:04 PM


    I think a better manager can bring us success and good football. He might not make us win the league but what is success? Is it quantifiable? It depends on your perception of the word and it’s rewards.

    For me success for this club would be playing good football and challenging for Europe consistently. Things I do not believe will happen under Pardew.

  • 252 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:05 PM


    The fact that we share a star sign doesn’t make us anything other than fellow travellers.

    Don’t give me the judge not lest ye be judged line. That’s cant (unless you’re a real philosopher in which case it’s Kant)

  • 253 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    Sack Llambias

    You are the weirdest person I have ever come across on this blog.

    Where do you live? Which city, town or village?

  • 254 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM


    I have reason to believe it’s yet another persona of our dear friend Ian.

  • 255 Big Pappa Cissé // May 10, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    Would anyone else take a point now ? . I would as I think Wigan will get nothing at Arsenal who are gunning for the Champions League and that would leave them 4 points behind us with one game to play.

  • 256 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    Why has the blog descended into chaos?

    Nothing makes sense anymore!

  • 257 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    Big Pappa –

    If you offered me a point now I’d take it. It will be enough, Wigan won’t get anything from Arsenal at their place 3 days after a cup final against City

  • 258 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:11 PM


    IF we win at QPR!

  • 259 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:11 PM


    My point was simply that you cannot use logic to argue a prejudged conclusion.

    As it happens I also think AP is on borrowed time but my view on his performance over 2 1/2 seasons, as I’ve said above, is that he really has failed to improve the worst part of our game. He has now had plenty of time to do that consistently – and as we now have the quality to deliver a miserly defence then he’s taken us as far as he can. It’s only an opinion

  • 260 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:11 PM


    IF we win at QPR, then I’d say we are safe 100%!

  • 261 JTOONJ // May 10, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    QPR are relegated why should we settle for a point? I’d rather us go down all guns blazing and get beat 5-4 than us settle for a 0-0 draw if we want to draw against the worst team in the BPL we should get relegated…

  • 262 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    That is my point,you don’t know if a manager is going to be successful or not until he manages us,we get one that helps us get to 5th,everyone knows what he has had to deal with this season and we want rid.Why can’t we take the view that if he is still in the job next season,with a decent amount of summer signings,give him the chance again and if it doesn’t work move on,maybe he will prove everyone wrong again,after all he’ll be a better manager after this season because he will have learned a lot

  • 263 Sack Llambias // May 10, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    You’ve had rows with so many in the shop your hard placed to know who I am !! I am happy to leave it at that.

  • 264 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    To be honest it doesn’t feel so bad to want the Gooners to win as the Scum like last week so I’m quite comfortable for Wigan to be taught a footballing lesson in Norf London after their defeat at Wembley

  • 265 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    I am not saying I want to draw. I am saying that I think a point will be enough and therefore would rather guarantee the point than risk a loss. I think we are past the point of we should beat this team or that team, I just want the points in the bag!!

  • 266 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    Yo yo

    Well I personally have reasoned myself into the view that Pardew is a bad manager, if there was sound reason to suggest otherwise I would listen to it and consider it, but I believe that the reason stands to suggest he is in fact a poor manager, and that other factors are clouding this fact.

    One could argue that we’ve regressed nearly everywhere on the pitch with Pardew in charge, yes we have brought in quality players in these areas but do we perform better defensively? No. Are we more creative in the midfield? This season certainly not. Are we a more attacking threat? Nope.

    Is our style of play any better than when he first took charge? I would reason that it is not.

  • 267 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    Yo Yo

    How is it prejudged?.

    Pardew is a poor manager and the facts consistently point to that over his career.

    Cabaye is a good player and the facts consistently point to that over his career.

    How is it then illogical to say that one good/poor season doesn’t make them any different to what they are consistently?

  • 268 stuart no9 // May 10, 2013 at 10:16 PM

    JTOONJ – To be honest mate – i really dont care at this minute in time who came in as manager. yeah your right benitez could be out of our price range, and a cheaper alternative brought in, however, IF benitez did come, and he didnt fancy some of our players – replaced them with spanish, would that be a bad thing ?

  • 269 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:16 PM


    I think the worry is that AP shows he doesn’t lack overconfidence and so a lot of guys are worried he has lost the capacity to learn from his mistakes

  • 270 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:16 PM

    Sack Llambias

    You are tapped in the head it is hilarious.

    Where do I live and what betting shop do I go in?

  • 271 JTOONJ // May 10, 2013 at 10:16 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    I get your point, i just hope that the players are up for it though i mean they have such a tough life style of luxury and everything!

  • 272 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM


    Because for over a decade he has played horrible football and has had no success in transforming teams into good footballing sides that consistently challenge at the highest level.

  • 273 Big Pappa Cissé // May 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    @ beattie

    we are more than capable of a win but we all know if we dare to score that Pardew will sit back on it and inevitably concede the equalizer rather than push on for the second. But if Cisse wants to pop up in the 90th minute and win it for us I’ll be happy :)

  • 274 Jail for Ashley // May 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    I have a story to tell tomorrow which I wouldn’t quite believe if it wasn’t true,……

  • 275 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    JToonJ, I know!!! I am pretty confident we will actually win the game as QPR are in disarray and that will definitely have us safe. I haven’t done the maths but I gather that an Aston Villa loss and draw this weekend will mean its mathematical safety!

    I think Wigan will be broken by that Swansea game and having the lead twice! Also Man City will run them ragged tomorrow and there won’t be much left for Arsenal to savage on Tuesday!

  • 276 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:20 PM


    NO!! Tell us now.

  • 277 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 10:20 PM


    Don’t dangle a carrot like that man!

  • 278 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    Come on J4A you tease…

  • 279 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    But there is no actual proof of that,it’s just hearsay,and surely for managers at the high level over-confidence is something you need,you can still be confident and learn

  • 280 JTOONJ // May 10, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    Taking the Papiss

    I wish i had your optimism i reckon Harry will have them fired up! as half of there players want moves away they’ll want to perform to show other teams. i hope your right and im wrong, as i couldn’t stand watching newcastle in the championship another season

  • 281 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    Even if they are fired up, they have been so poor all season.

    My big worry is Loic Remy!

  • 282 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:24 PM


    I don’t care how we win at this moment in time. I just think we have to win!

    A draw might be enough but we can’t take that risk.

  • 283 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:27 PM


    Check out Moyes managerial career win % – wiki has it as 44%
    Check out Pardew’s managerial career win % – wiki has it as 42.35%.

    One has just got the top job in football – and has won nothing.
    One is very possibly about to lose his job – and has won nothing.

    Over their respective careers on paper they are separated by a win% difference of 1.65%.

    So how exactly is Pardew so poor ?

    You pretend to use logic but have a prejudged conclusion. Then you boast about it.

    I don’t believe Pardew is the right manager for the Toon either but it is not a logical opinion – just an opinion.

  • 284 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    I mentioned the other day that most pundits said we were the entertainers last season and was ridiculed,people saying pundits are thick,most of them are but i think ex-international footballers know good footy when they see it
    This is from news now today

  • 285 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    That Benitez thing was nothing personal just fooling around.

    I was trying to change subject toward what will happen with Everton since it can impact our dealings in summer, especially if we do our transfers late. Since if Baines and Fellaini leaves for big money they might buy our targets. (Assuming we don’t get relegated)

  • 286 JTOONJ // May 10, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    I know i’m worried about remy his pace is blistering, hopefully colo can manage him although pace does seem to be his weakness as with his sending off earlier this season. if we have santon defending with a strict role of marking remy i might be more confident although santon will probably be attacking!

  • 287 Big Pappa Cissé // May 10, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    @ beattie

    I’m just not confident in Pardews teams anymore, therefore I never expect to win a game so I am not as disappointed. As soon as I saw the team sheet for Liverpool at home I instantly felt deflated and knew we weren’t going for the win. Little did I know it would be our biggest home defeat for 70 odd years but the only thing Pardew seems good for these days is breaking records, and not the good ones.

  • 288 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:31 PM


    Agree but we are kind of worried because his public pronouncements seem to make too many excuses so folk are not cinfident in his self analytical abilities.

    I think the jury is still out on that score but what made me lose confidence in him is his inability to plug the leaky defence

  • 289 Taking the Papiss // May 10, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    I don’t think Santon will be dealing with Remy (at least I hope not). I am hoping that Coloccini will go to him when necessary and that Mbiwa may track his runs.

  • 290 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 10:31 PM


    Godsake man The Entertainers we certainly weren’t! We didn’t beat any team by more than 2 goals and finished the season with a +5 goal difference. Compared to the 1996-97 season where we finished the season with a +33 goal difference.

    The two sides and styles aren’t comparable in any way.

  • 291 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    Yo Yo

    How many seasons has Moyes been in the PL?

    How many has Pardew?

    Compare the results over the course of their PL careers and I’m sure you’ll be crying into your cup-a-soup.

  • 292 Big Pappa Cissé // May 10, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    @ yo-yo

    The difference is Moyes has been in the Premier League the majority of the time and wins are harder to come by.

  • 293 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 10, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    Right lads, I’m off to crack open a few bottles of Bud 66, it’s been pleasant ;)

  • 294 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    So what your saying is we have to beat teams by 2 clear goals to be “Entertainers”?,since when does + goal difference=good attacking football?

  • 295 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:37 PM


    The bloke who wrote that news was Abdullah Zubair.

    I can’t remember which professional football club he played for?

    Top pundit is he?

    Let me check google…

    oh wait…

    Abdullah Zubair lived between 624 – 692 and was born in Arabia.

    Did he play for Spurs in the 01-02 campaign I forget.

    Anyway pundits don’t watch 52 nufc games a year, we do.

  • 296 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:39 PM


    If your idea of entertainment is watching the opposition outplay us and then one of our players making something out of nothing then good for you.

    I will not argue any further.

    God I swore I wasn’t going to argue anymore.

  • 297 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    You missed my point again,i got ridiculed for saying we were entertainers i came across that article today.Are you telling me ex-pro footballers don’t know good footy when they see it?

  • 298 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM


    Everton may struggle depending on the manager they bring in. If they show ambition I think they’ll be fine. If they choose someone who can fill a void they will probably struggle.

  • 299 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM


    Who is Abdullah Zubair? Who did he play for?

    What gives him the right to express more of an opinion than I??

  • 300 Big Pappa Cissé // May 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    The only times we were entertaining to watch under Pardew IMO :

    Man U at home 3-1
    West Brom Away (first half) 3-1
    Benfica away (first 20 minutes)
    Stoke home 3-0
    Liverpool home 3-0

    So in two and a half years those are the games that I can honestly say hand on heart we were the much better team on the day and deserved the win.

  • 301 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:43 PM


    He is a record breaker I’ll give him that.

    I won’t forget him in a hurry. His legacy will live on, sadly.

  • 302 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    Pardew’s EPL win % is less than Moyes by 4-5%.
    The point stands.
    One is about to be top dog, the other in the doghouse.

    Pardew is not anywhere near as bad as his detractors make out.
    So don’t pretend your opinions are logical

  • 303 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    I don’t care who he is bud.Do you believe ex-international footballers don’t know good footy when they see it?

  • 304 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    Yo Yo

    It the politest possible way.

    Game, set and match Mr. Beattie.

    Until we meet again.

  • 305 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM


    Which football player are you talking about?

  • 306 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM


    GD does means not crap defending – even though your right and ir doesn’t equate to ‘entertainment’.
    I remember the ‘boring’ Arsenal days and they were pretty dire to watch. I’d still prefer to see us play boring football and be 5th than where we are now, though entertainment is what we pay for really.

  • 307 donkey // May 10, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    i do think its best to stick with a manerger for a lot of years to get the best out of them and team for the long run and and bring stabilitty and ive allways been patance with pardew all season up untill the last few months but after excuse after excuse and all the things i hear from his west ham days pissing of players with his constant bullshit i really believe he has to go even if he wins the next two games. who we get in to replace him i really dont know mike ashly has already gone down that road of trying to please the fans with KK and shearer and that never worked out so be interseting to see what they do

  • 308 Sack Llambias // May 10, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Sorry took ages to get a round in. On the opinion/ fact issue. The two lads are constantly making a nebulous case for Pardew to be chopped on the basis of a maths theorem that has already been proven on an established axiom.

  • 309 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Any really,google the entertainers Newcastle UTD 2011-2012 pundits,i’ve already said most of them are thick but that doesn’t mean they don’t know good football when they see it.

  • 310 Big Pappa Cissé // May 10, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    @ yo-yo

    How many relegations has Moyes had from the PL ? . I think that is you answer right there. IMO Everton’s team isn’t anything special and other than Maybe Fellani, Mirallas & Baines no one else in their team would get into our starting 11 yet Pardew has us fighting a relegation dogfight with two games left. Pardew isn’t the worst manager in the world but definitely one of the worst in the league. I fully believe Moyes could get the squad we have now into the top 7 for sure.

  • 311 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:51 PM


    Add vainglorious to your own lexicon of self description.

  • 312 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    It’s going to be interesting, hopefully they don’t steal our targets. If they sell Fellaini or Baines.

  • 313 Sazzer // May 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM

    They might even steal manager targets ;p

  • 314 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM


    My point is that on paper there is relatively little to distinguish between them – and that Pardew is nowhere near as bad as he is made out – not that I want him at the Toon – or that he is a ‘good’ manager or even promises to improve as Moyes did after his 2nd season slump at Everton.

    I do like Moyes and he fits the MU way – but they have an incredibly strong and supportive board so he will succeed. We have Llambias. Nuff said. The rot at the Toon is much deeper than managerial mediocrity.

  • 315 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    I suppose it comes down to fans own personal ambition then,me,i would love to see us win something.If we were top of the league playing boring footy(which i don’t think can happen again like Arsenal did,the game has moved on so much)i have to say i would be over the moon.If you look at league’s all over Europe invariably the teams who win the league are the teams playing the best attacking football

  • 316 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 10:59 PM


    Thank god the EPL has moved away from that style of play.

    I would just love the Toon to concede less than 40 goals season on a regular basis

    Here’s hoping :)

  • 317 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    Maybe that’s the right way,aim low,anything else is a bonus.It could have it’s moments….

  • 318 southerngeordie // May 10, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    Alright folks, just wanted to give my two cents. I can understand where the fans calling for Pardew to stay on are coming from and in an ideal world he would be given the first three months of the season to get this right, but football is not a fair.

    Look at what’s happening at City. Potentially 3 trophies in two years. Top two league finishes and yet Mancini is likely to get the boot.

    What Pardew achieved last season was brilliant and he was rightly recognised for his efforts but in doing so he set a precedence of expectation and this season he has fallen way way below the standard, and in my opinion he has to be held accountable for that.

    Now this might be judged a little unfair but when we sit back and look at the season, can anyone honestly pick out any positives to draw on? Poor Results, performances, tactics, positioning – the list goes on. Even if we’d managed to blood some of the youngsters that could at least be something of a feather in Pardew’s cap but even that has shown no progression.

    For me, Pardews biggest crime this season has been his arrogance to the league. Europa was all well and fun but the priority needed to build on last years league position and I don’t think he took that seriously. This was demonstrated to a tee after the Stoke performance when he said we were safe. This in my mind was unforgivable and it’s well and truly blown up in his face. This combined with all the above, means that in the cruel world of football, he needs to go.

    The concern for me though is who comes in next. Lots of wonderful names being mentioned but without a recognised representative at boardroom level with an understanding of the game it’s unlikely we’d be able to attract the mentioned. This is my only slight concern with getting rid of Pardew. When it comes to management Ashley has always found this a struggle. He listened to the fans for KK and Shearer – Hughton fell somewhat into the position and was justly rewarded for steading the ship, and Pardew was recommend by Derek. The truth of the matter is he’s always struggled with the footballing side of ownership and while the likes of Benitez & Girard would be nice, it could easily be either Hughes or Coyle.

    Regardless it’s clear that standards have fallen away dramatically and like in any organisation someone needs to be held accountable and unfortunately the buck stops with Pardew.

  • 319 Big Pappa Cissé // May 10, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    @ yo

    I for one wanted Pardew to succeed and thought he was on the right track after last season. We didn’t play brilliant football but the results were there and I was more than happy. Then he gets an 8 year contract and I start to think yeah this could be what we need a bit of stability.

    However this season has shown me Pardews true colours in:

    Blatant favouritism to some players despite having more talented footballers on the bench

    Blaming injuries despite having a better starting 11 to field than anyone outside the top 7

    Keep aiming corners to the back post despite not scoring from one for 420 games

    Constant politician talk and p*ss poor excuses after losses.

    Trying to defend 1-0 leads to the likes of Reading for 45 minutes only to lose.

    Playing Cisse as a target man and a winger

    Taking a year to realize Marveaux is probably our second most creative player.

    And they are just the obvious ones. I would give Pardew the benefit of the doubt if we were losing games by late or fluky goals but that is not the case.

  • 320 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    Night all,this one’s for you AP

  • 321 Earl // May 10, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    Just as a matter of curiosity. If we were to sack Pardew. What kind of manager would you guys like to see in charge. I’m not trying to drum up names as such, but in terms of a character. Would you prefer someone who knows the league well, that may grind out results if needed, or would you’s prefer someone abit riskier who may not have the premier league experience but would be able to take an outside view, and change things up?

  • 322 Sack Llambias // May 10, 2013 at 11:09 PM

    Or even self deception!

  • 323 toon22 // May 10, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    Its been a great season (lol)
    With an exciting bottom of the barrel clash for end of season climax.
    A must win game away to a club in total dissaray,i would think we should play 5 at the back with 4 defensive midfilders.Hope for a lucky point,that kind of thing.
    It sums up the depth of our slide from the dizzy heights of 5th place and the much coverted euro place :)

    Lets hope AP is doing a fergi and is crap for years before he turns good :)

  • 324 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    If you want my opinion post 260 say’s it all.See you around

  • 325 Big Pappa Cissé // May 10, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    @ mojo

    I guarantee you weren’t singing that after the Sunderland & Liverpool games :)

  • 326 headtheball // May 10, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    On the header and captions for what our great leader might be thinking.
    HOLLYWOOD, are you ready for me?
    Rotonda if you are still reading
    The old Sheila also loved your song and suggested a second verse of
    It’s My team and I’ll cry if I want to
    Cry if I want to
    Cry if I want to
    You would cry too
    If you had Pardew
    Sung to the 1965 hit by Lesley Gore” It’s my Party” for the younger bloggers.
    I wonder if it will be as big a hit for you? Hope so.

  • 327 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 11:18 PM

    I couldn’t sing anything for the vomit that was filling up my mouth at regular intervals.If that sounds strange because i support Pardew check my other posts,you’ll see why.I really am going this time.

  • 328 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 11:19 PM


    I don’t support Pards as our future manager either but mostly not for the same reasons as you – and there are a lot of complicating – even mitigating factors. For me its much simpler – we lose too often by too many goals. If Scum had beat us 1-0 and Fools 1-0 and Gooners away 4-3 I could live with it as we would have conceded 10 fewer goals in those three games alone. These big losses really hurt and sort of have convinced me this guy can’t run a tight ship. As I think organised sides tend to be more successful then these big losses prove to me he can’t organise the side not to concede – and as a pretty defensive tactician that means he fails by his own standards. So he ain’t good enough for us.
    Dunno if that makes sense but it is why I don’t believe he has a role as first team coach in the future

  • 329 Joe Blog // May 10, 2013 at 11:20 PM


    A mad hatter! Somebody unique. Somebody whose personality isn’t wooden and contrived like the current incumbent, carefully packaged, although now he’s unravelling before our eyes, with his ever more bizzare interviews.

    It’s like Pardew has been dreamt up in a PR/marketing stategy meeting, full of twunts that wear those Benny Hill glasses like he does, going through presentations with thought bubbles and brainstorming – something similar to this –

  • 330 Earl // May 10, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    To be honest mate, I’m Not really in either camp for sacking/keeping Pardew, I’m just trying get some discussion on what we actually want in a manager if change does happen.We all know Ashley can be so ruthless at times. I can really see both sides. History has told us that sacking continuously isn’t the way forward, but no one can deny the absolute travesty of a season we’ve had. But rather than just the constantly having the same discussions on who wants Pardew out and who doesn’t it would be more interesting to see peoples ideas, then discussions don’t become so repetitive

  • 331 stuart no9 // May 10, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    why did we have a good season last season, and this year it has all gone pear shaped ?? IMO Pardew took over a good dressing room.
    When CH got sacked , he left behind a dressing room full of spirit , togetherness ,a dressing room where players would fight for others a dressing room where the players would kill for their manager – they loved him- the fans loved him – with his determination and hard work – he got us up.
    Mid way through his first season , he was cruelly sacked, enter pardew.
    Pardew took over the club at a good time( as far as he was concerned) he inherited, what was probably the best dressing room at the time – all pardew had to do was carry on the good work put before him, and keep together what he had, – he couldnt.
    His first full season was good , though not producing great football, somehow managing to get results., if we are honest , how many of us were suprised how well we were doing in the league , despite our mediocre performences , everyone i talked to anyway ! and he also still had the dressing room which IMO, at the end of the season was starting to show cracks in the players attitude and commitment – ending with a disgraceful defeat on our last game of the season, ( what was all that about ) the dressing room pardew had inherited is starting to look – not right !
    When this season started ,i believe problems were starting to surface between manager and players, mainly down to 2 things . 1 = pardews tactics -2 he was starting to lose the respect of the players, mainly because of his arrogance and stubborn attitude towards the players. i had read previously that players from other teams he had managed, would not play for him, that they did not really like him and they were glad when he got sacked, it took him the same length of time at newcastle to lose the dressing room , as it did every club he went too – coincidence?
    As the season progressed , we got worse, untill the inevitable happened – drubbings start coming at a premium. players dont want to play for him – players want him sacked, apart from his absurd negative tactics, what other reason is there for the players performing as they are ? i think i know the reason. get rid of pardew and you will see a totally different newcastle utd. keep him.-dosnt bare thinking about!

  • 332 Earl // May 10, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    the aboive comment was referred as Mojo guy. Sorry im very slow at typing!

  • 333 yo-yo // May 10, 2013 at 11:23 PM


    I want to see a well organised side who can play out of defence, rarely concede more than 2 goals, are able to play 4-3-3, 4-4-2 and other formations and change formations during a match, can counterattack with style and play until the 95th minute. A side who will not sit back on a 1-0 lead without trying to counter. A well organised and disciplined side, well motivated and who want to win – even when others think they are down and out. Liverpool and Manure in their respective winning CL finals would sum it up.

  • 334 gaz 44 // May 10, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    Was in the bookies today and some fella walked in and put £350 on rudi Garcia being our next manager is there something I missed or this kid just gone for a total stab in the dark

  • 335 Earl // May 10, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    @Joe Blog- haha that clip is hilarious!
    It would be interesting to see a bit of craziness in the hot seat. Would it be a good long term option? We’ve mad hatters like Ian Holloway in the media, and I found him irritating after a while. I would even say he had more excuses than Pardew when Blackpool were in the premier league. But I take your point! someone who could be frank about our performances rather than making excuses would be refreshing!

  • 336 Earl // May 10, 2013 at 11:41 PM


    I certainly agree with the ability to change formations during the game. We’ve spent a lot of time trying to see out games rather than capitalising on teams (who in my opinion were there fr the taking, (West Brom, Wigan, Stoke, Fulham away). When you talk about liverpool and chelsea. You could argue its the mentality of the players rather than tactics per say. For example Liverpool had nothing to lose being three-Nil down at AC when they won champs league. And again if i was in that game id be playing of pure adrenaline. Same with Chelsea v Barcelona. I guess it would be finding a balance between being able to change a game but also motivate players to believe they are winners. Finding a coach with the ability of both could be very difficult (and expensive) to find

  • 337 Earl // May 10, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    *My reference to Chelsea v Barca where they beat them with ten men to reach final ( just incase my point wasn’t clear).

  • 338 Rake // May 10, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    This blog is a good read when there are actual debates. Hoping for a win tomorrow regardless of Pardew trying to play Collocinni CB for San Lorenzo or Cisse out wide in the stands. .. haa

  • 339 AndyNUFC // May 10, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    I find it funny the way we talk about Pardew being sacked as some inevitability. We all seem to forget something – Mike Ashley and Llambias are in charge.

    I think Ashley will let him have another year, otherwise what does it say about his judgment if he gets rid only 1 year after? Because of a bad finish in the league, we think he is a dead man walking. Think again, if we stay up, Ashley will have the bubbly out for the juicy TV money from next season.

    I have to defend Pardew in that, he was totally right about the Europa being a shoddy set up. How come we made it to the quarter finals, only to be put out by a team who failed the Champions league?! Too many games, not enough recovery and too many injuries mounted up.

    As for Llambias – well as even Shearer said, when in a position of strength you strengthen further. Where was our 2nd Ben Arfa signing this year, where was the Ba replacement in the summer when we knew he would leave? Where is our decision maker doing the right thing – by the team, or by the board?

  • 340 p // May 10, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    I can’t believe Pardew is still around. I thought he would definitely get it after the Liverpool game. I have to assume Mash thought on balance best to see it through to the end of the season; if we are relegated that is a good excuse to sack him, if we stay up, he did not make the same mistake of last time.

    Upshot is, I think he is gone in the summer. His football has been negative/shite, his tactics baffling, he was backed in the January window to little effect and he spews out non-stop excuses.

    Basically proved he can not put 2 consistent seasons together and can’t step up to preparing the team for 2 games a week.

    Triffick geyser but, time to move on.

  • 341 p // May 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    Andy, Mash thinks with his wallet. Pardew may be a cheapo manager but, I think he would rather have a manager that generates more money via a higher league finish and exciting football that sends non locals out to buy Ben Arfa replica tops and the like.

    I remember I was in some fishing village in the 90’s in my toon away shorts and there was a local fisherman with the same shorts. Could be wrong but I doubt that goes on these days, or at least not much

  • 342 AndyNUFC // May 11, 2013 at 12:02 AM

    Gaz I think he was just putting £3.50 on and you misheard. Guessing what Ashley does and what any manager will come in next is stupid. If anyone it will be Girard, but dont put money on it, I expected Mourinho to be at Man U

  • 343 county down magpie // May 11, 2013 at 2:57 AM

    “Not the time to talk about the managers future”
    Are you rocking the crack pipe ed? A good 70% of your recent articles have been about Pardews future or lack thereof. Great blog and keep up the good work Ed but come on pal


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