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What’s This About Newcastle’s Mystical Faith In Stability?

12:14 pm, Monday, May 13th, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 214 Comments

Since Kevin Keegan left in January of 1997, there have been 11 managers at Newcastle in those 16 years, and we’ve won nowt.

alan pardew at west ham

Alan Pardew – give him a chance

Kenny Dalglish, Ruud Gullit, Bobby Robson, Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Sam Allardyce, Kevin Keegan, Joe Kinnear, Alan Shearer, Chris Hughton and Alan Pardew have all been in charge at Newcastle in that order, and since Mike Ashley arrived six years ago we’ve had six managers.

And for the very time in that period a manager is not being sacked for having had a bad Premier League season, although in the Europa League we did quite well to reach the quarter finals and almost made it to the final four.

And if David Moyes had joined Newcastle in 2002 instead of Everton , he would have been fired in 2004, when Everton finished tied for 3rd bottom but escaped the drop by having a better goal difference than Leicester – -12 to -17. And David didn’t have a European campaign of 14 games to negotiate that season either.

In that summer of 2004 we fired Bobby Robson because he only finished in 5th place in the league and didn’t get us to the UEFA Cup Final – we were knocked out by Marseilles in the semi-final – it wasn’t good enough.

After putting the article out this morning saying that Alan Pardew’s job is safe we’ve received a number of comments and emails that basically say it’s dangerous to have a mystical or blind faith in stability, and ignore the results.

What blind faith?

What stability?

In the past we’ve fired managers during the season – after they had already brought in players they wanted in the previous summer, and guess what – they were not the players the new manager wanted.

Only Joe Kinnear and Alan Shearer were not fired during a season – and they are special cases with Joe getting heart problems in February of 2009, and Alan having a short contract through the end of the 2008-2009 season.

So it’s a bit of an over-reaction to say Newcastle have a blind faith in stability – despite our poor results.,

We’ve done just hopeless in changing our managers all the time – so give Alan Pardew a chance to turn it around next season – he may even do just that.

And we hope he does turn it around – because that will be great for the club – and that’s what we want.

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214 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Rotonda heights // May 13, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    From TOTT

    Subject: An interesting perspective from Laudrup last night

    When asked about the toll a season in Europe takes on clubs with smaller squads.

    “I do not believe players get tired. It’s a mental issue, and you need to manage the situation so that players get in the right mindset for each different type of competition”

    He was referring to his small Getafe squad who played something like 58 games in one season, when they were doing well in cup competitions.

    Basically, he’s saying that Pardew is an excuse merchant, and by using that excuse to avoid taking the responsibility for poor performances, he is also failing to manage the situation properly. He’s actively encouraging the players mindset to be one of being tired, just to save his own slippery skin.

    Like I’ve said before, there’s no top manager ever uses that as an excuse.

  • 2 roshan MAGPIE // May 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    I would rather have another manager than pardew and his dumb long ball football and wasting the talents in the bench

  • 3 Lilongwe Geordie // May 13, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Ibiza, Repost
    You have to have a certain number of homegrown players, however they don’t have to be British. Krul is homegrown. If Satko makes the grade he will be, in 3 years Mbabu will be homegrown, Vukic is homegrown. It just means you have to have trained in England for 3 years prior to being 22 at the start of a season.

  • 4 Unbelievable Tekkers // May 13, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Half of me thinks to stick with pardew because as you say the cub have had no stability over the last few years and it has got us nothing but then the the other half of me thinks pardew is an idiot and needs to go.

  • 5 Dannyo // May 13, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Hardly mystical Ed.
    It’s our attempt at trying something new.
    Throw all the crap you want at Pardew, but a positive and a negative doesn’t make two negatives.
    He’s earned a crack, like him or not. We all have opinions to prove either way imo.
    In the end though, it’s up to MA what stability is atm.

  • 6 Newcastle Brown Alien // May 13, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    I actually agree with stability, Let’s get a new manager and keep him there for a while

  • 7 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Rotonda…That may well be true, but shall we see how Laudrup actually manages to deal with it first?

  • 8 Laurent Robert 32 // May 13, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Rotonda -1 . Perfect example that isn’t it.

    Laudrup was a fantastic player and is used to having high levels of expectation placed upon him which he therefore carries into management.

    Pardew has never had any of that, EVER.

    My insides are cringing at the thought of Pardew staying even a couple of days after the Arsenal game.

  • 9 Dannyo // May 13, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    @Rotonda
    It’s a good choice of words, but as Ibiza says, let’s see it in the works first.

  • 10 Phatoon // May 13, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Indian,

    (Not including Simpson and Harper as they’re off..)

    Krul,
    Elliot,
    Williamson,
    S Taylor,
    Tavernier,
    Ferguson,
    Perch,
    Gosling,
    Sh Ameobi,
    Inman,
    Dummett (if he gets a new contract),
    Newton (if he gets a new contract),

    Would all count as Home-grown in the 25 man squad limit. If we included them that is (eg Inman etc)

  • 11 Laurent Robert 32 // May 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    He’s already made a start… he’s won a trophy.

  • 12 HBA Must Stay // May 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Sick of hearing the mans excuses re Europa League.
    He played the younguns for best part of it, how can that affect the first teams form.

    Juan Mata 60+ games in the last year…….
    Does he look exhausted?

    Pardews excuses are shameful and to cover up his inability to change tactics during a game, not to mention his inability to get the tactics right in the first place.

    He has to go. I dont want hiom anywhere near my club nest season. He’s a liability! and a clueless Liability at that.

    Stability is bollocks, so if he has us in same postion next year, do we say. ‘we survived, we didnt go down and we need stability’ bulls.

    Mike Ashley backed him in January and he prceeded to make mistake after mistake, square pegs in round holes and team slection has been abysmal.

    I mean yesterday, take off our biggest threat to them when elliott gets sent off ? We struggled for an outlet for best part of yesterday and he took his only decent outlet off!! Prat

    Pardew out for me, sick of stability bull and people saying im half anf half….decisive action required!

  • 13 Lilongwe Geordie // May 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    Phatoon,
    So does Vukic

  • 14 Phatoon // May 13, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    @Lilongwe

    He will not count as over 21, so did not include him.

    The players I’ve put would all count to the 25 man squad.

  • 15 WWYCD // May 13, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    Ibiza/Dannyo
    Laudrup has had a good first season with Swansea so they will do fantastically in the EL and equally as well in the PL….no? ;)

  • 16 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Lilongwe…Cheers :)

    Laurent…I’m not saying he’s a bad manager, clearly that’s not the case. Just comments about juggling EL

  • 17 Lilongwe Geordie // May 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Phatoon,
    Yeah, your right, he just misses the cut by a month for next season.

  • 18 Owldman // May 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    I believe if we go for a new manager it will probably be someone who wont cost us compensation the only one who fits that criteria is Benitez who has publicly stated that he is looking for another managers job preferably in this country.but I wont hold my breath on this one , how about Zola or Poyet.both seem to be doing well on small budgets they might be ready to step up to a bigger challenge both a success as players with winning mentality , something Pardew lacks.

  • 19 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Yo…That sounds familiar….hmmmm…but he did win a trophy :)

  • 20 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    rotonda

    Barry mcguigan, ex boxer and now trainer, said the hardest thing in boxing is the 6+ hours intense work a day for months leading up to a fight then the fight itself.

    He said after a few days off you were more than physically recovered enough (unless injured from taking a beating) and it was more he needed time off to recover mentally. Putting so much intensity and focus into something really had you feel tired when you weren’t and struggle with concentration so always had a few weeks/month off after a fight.

    Thats the issue with us, if the players are tired from thursday, make friday/saturday training more tactical and less physically demanding.

    I do think europa league hurts your preparation time, especially for us who seem to work so much on stopping teams so have to be different each game.

    Swansea work on their own system, keeping the ball, creating chances and play the same most weeks…just tweak how much they attack/defend….this is much more suited to more games.

  • 21 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    HBA must stay

    I always find it interesting reading those sort of comments about players resting.

    If you look at teams they never rest big players…van persie rarely rests, suarez rarely rests, gerard in his prime never did etc etc….

    Yet these seem to manage to perform to a great level still.

    The annoying this is we changed about 8 a week for europa league anyway during the group stages and were still useless in the league.

  • 22 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Stability is only worth something if it equates to success.

    What people are actually saying is we were too quick to sack Dalgleish, Gullit, Souness, Roeder, and FatSam?!

    I thought they were good sackings and these managers should have never been given the jobs in the first place. Much like Pardew.

    What is the point in having stability if it never moves you forward.

    Keeping Pardew is accepting mediocrity, stabilising the club for the short term and creating a team that isn’t good enough to challenge for silverware and probably too good to get relegated.

    We as fans used to aspire to bigger and better and yes we paid for that in full but that doesn’t mean we deserve this and that doesn’t mean we should stick by Alan Pardew, statistically the worst manager we’ve had in the PL over the course of a full season, statistically the 2nd worst manager we’ve had in the PL ever and statistically the 3rd worst manager in our history.

    If that’s what we are offered I will say no thank you and wait until we can start to be the nufc we always dreamed we could be.

    This club is a fcuking joke and what’s worse than the cockneys in charge brining us down is the fans acceptance of that.

    I am ashamed of my club at times but you fans hoping to keep Pardew in the name of stability shame me more than anything Ashley, Llambias and Pardew could ever do.

    We are nothing better than dogs. Blind loyalty to those on charge hoping they don’t beat us down anymore.

  • 23 Markaccus // May 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Dear oh dear… lots of dummies being spat and toys being chucked out of prams here today.

  • 24 WWYCD // May 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Ibiza
    True we will see what he does next season though and see what players they get or lose

  • 25 martoon // May 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Just suppose we do sack Pardew and get a new manager – you are all assuming that this will be a magic cure and we will start playing wonderful football and finish in the top 6. BUT what happens if the new manager doesn’t work and we are fighting relgation next season – how long before you turn against him?

  • 26 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    wwycd

    We will have to see with swansea.

    But europa league never effected teams like stoke, spurs, chelsea….so why should it totally cripple us.

  • 27 Le Belfast 007 // May 13, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    I’m all for stability with the right man. This season has shown that Pardew ain’t the right man in my opinion.

    He’s basically just fat Sam with fancy words & better excuses.

  • 28 HullMag6 // May 13, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Yay, I’m baaaaack.

    Ive been swinging back and forth whether to sack or not to sack.

    I’d stick with him but would Rene Girard work alongside Carver as two assistant managers?

    Just a thought……

  • 29 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    Anyway, on thread…

    Ed…I think most like the idea of stability with a manager. I just think this season has been too much for most to stomach and they simply don’t believe that Pardew can evolve. They have lost faith.

    My feeling is that I struggle to judge him solely on this season and that he should be given another chance to show whether he has learned, as quite frankly, I don’t think it fair to expect him to do so during a relegation battle, which we’ve been in since the new players arrived in January.

    Saying all of that, if a better and new manager were to be appointed, i’d see it as progress, not knee jerk reactions.

    I get peoples concerns that if Pardew is given more time and is failing a few months in, what options would we have? Very reasonable point.

    Long term, I like the idea of strengthening Pardews team. Ideally, that would include a young, fresh thinking, up and coming guy, who, if needed, could step in as manager if Pardew was to leave at some point.

    Ashley needs to instill some philosophy to the club, managers need to keep that going. People point to Swansea, well it was their chairman that has made it possible. You may get lucky with managers along the way, but if you want to implement a long term plan there is only one person who can really make that happen.

    Busy summer for Ashley.

  • 30 WWYCD // May 13, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Sage
    Because we are sh**e and believed our own hype plus we went backwards as a squad last summer

  • 31 Consett Mag // May 13, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    By having some brilliant luck with injuries and having Ba and Cisse getting important goals last season, we managed to finish far higher than our team really deserved – unless anyone thinks we had a better team than Liverpool or Chelsea.

    This season has many reasons for the abject failure to even keep us safe from the drop until the penultimate game.

    We are playing a non-attractive long-ball system without the players to do this, and we’ve seen NO TACTICAL moments of brilliance, unless you feel defending mega deep and having no creative outlet counts.

    Sorry, but stability must be taken into account – but also should be weighing up if a fine young manager – Poyet and the like would like the challenge of steering a financially sound club to achieve something.

    My view is to sack Pardew as soon as possible. He’s no David Moyes.

  • 32 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    martoon

    That’s where we need Carr (or somebody with knowledge of the game) to have scouted around europe/england and looked for a manager who he thinks would work with our players and have a style he could adapt to be successful in the prem league.

    If he does this, the manager comes in and we struggle it depends on why.

    If we look to be going in the right direction but making mistakes as it’s new to him and the players are taking time to adapt then i can deal with that for a season at the very least.

    IF we are playing a style totally alien to the side and nothing much changes then i will be much less patient, but probably let him finish the season. (unless we are losing ground at the bottom)

  • 33 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Ibiza

    The one thing I don’t understand is why people are asking for time to allow Pardew to see what he has learned.

    He’s been a manager for over a decade. Surely he should have learned the basics by now?

  • 34 barkel // May 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    The Pardew debate is going to go on for a while! We’ve had some terrible runs this year, biggest losing streak, we equaled our worst ever away wins record poor tactics from not knowing where to play our squad players when we picked up key injuries, we even had raylor getting injured while he was out injured but depending on results next sunday we could finish the league in 10th which apart from last season would be higher than average for us over the past 5/6 seasons so it’s not all that bad. I know with the players we have at the club we should be higher in the league or winning a cup but IF, and it’s a big if, we finished 10th after a “disastrous” season have we not got a good base to kick on from?

    I’m torn between keeping him and sacking him, every other day i think he hasn’t got a clue and get angry at what he says in the press but possibly with a good pre season, getting in 2/3 first team players and a small bit of luck (like we had last season) we could be pushing for top 5 again with AP.

  • 35 Markaccus // May 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Martoon….. that is the nature of football fans in general unfortunately. Im not sure benitez would do wonders at the toon. But IF he came i would give him a chance ( more than 2 full seasons thats for sure) to get us playing his brand of football with his favoured personell. These things take time when you dont spen huge amounts on superstars. I dont think many fans are willing to give a manager that amount of leeway these days.

  • 36 Indian Magpie // May 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    TS

    What do you make of Pardew’s situation. Hope he sacked and sent to jial for what he has done.

  • 37 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Beattie….Probably because we’re idiots :)

  • 38 Le Belfast 007 // May 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Poyet would be a good option like. Zola’s done really well at Watford too. Really Impressed with the way he’s got Troy Deeney playing for Watford this season.

  • 39 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    wwycd

    yeh but then surely the manager carries the can for that (except going backward as a squad)

    he has had more than enough to get us further up the league in my eyes, and he failed to come up with an alternative system when last years system stopped working.

  • 40 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    If any of the top 7 had bad injuries this season would they have been close to relegation?

    I think we are the best outside the top 7 by a considerable distance yet we have relied on other results to maintain our top flight status.

    Indefensible yet people find a way to excuse the manager.

  • 41 sparky55 // May 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    I’d always put stability in the squad ahead of stability in a clueless manager. The squad will break itself up purely because Pardew is staying and the footballers in the team don’t want to play for pardew any more so there will a be significant change in playing personnel over the summer.

    I’d vote for keeping this great squad together and changing the manager as opposed to the squad to be broken up and re-shaped yet again and have stability in a clueless wonder managing the club

  • 42 low fell mag // May 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    If we stick with Pardew i think we will end up with Big Andy coming back home. I dont know if thats what we need or not, great in some ways ,someways i dont (more for off the field antics).
    I know a few people on here dont like Carrol (not for the person he is ,but more as to the style of football we would end up playing)
    So do we want stability with Pardew and the returning of big Andy and hoof the ball or do we go for Benitses ,who im sure would like a crack at the job.Me for one its a hard one.

  • 43 Rainrix // May 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Stability in football is a rarity nowadays. Its a results driven business whether thats right or not. It’d be nice stability but its not a guarantee for success either. Its pointless if the right man isn’t in charge.

    When he was brought in arguably the team suited pardews style with a majority english core with the big man up top. Now we have a more technical team and pardew really isnt the right man to get the best out of it. We can progress as a football club by sacking pardew debatably more so than if we kept him.

  • 44 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Ibiza

    I wouldn’t say idiots.

    Perhaps just gluttons for punishment.

  • 45 Indian Magpie // May 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    If we stick with Pardew, then we can expect a similar season.

    If you are okay with that, then fine

  • 46 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    indian

    No hard feelings with pardew, he just isn’t very good. He does what a lot of people do when they their biggest job and try to defend themselves and hang in there.

    He will want to make sure that even if sacked people don’t blame him as it gives him more of a chance of another decent job…can’t blame a man for trying to keep himself in a decent job,.

  • 47 WWYCD // May 13, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Sage
    True but none of the players have played near the levels the are capable off when they have been available either

    Am not sure on Pards but the players have been muck as well shouldn’t they shoulder some blame?

  • 48 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    rainrix

    for me there is two ways to success (of relative success anyway)

    1. stacks of money, get a manager as often as you want and give him as much money as he wants to get 3/4 top players a summer (CHELSEA)

    or

    2. set the goal of a certain style, sign players who fit this and appoint managers who work in that way, means even if you need to change the manager the new one will be fairly happy with the squad and only need to tweak certain things. (SWANSEA)

  • 49 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Beattie…Well lets not split hairs ;)

    I think for most people who would be labelled “pro pardew”, it’s not please lets keep him, but replace him with an actual better manager, if not keep him.

    Do I think he’s better than we’ve done this year? Probably, yes.

    Do I think he’s a top 6 manager, like our position indicated last season? Probably not.

    Truth is, he’s a middle of the road manager, who can do a job for now. If and as and when we get a better manager, fantastic, but that’s down to Ashley.

  • 50 Indian Magpie // May 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    There are 2 ways to finding correct people for the job

    Chelsea – trial and error
    NUFC – Error and error and more errors

  • 51 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    wwycd

    The players have to take some blame too, no doubt about it for me.

    Yes pardew can set them up badly, make them too rigid for a fluent passing game and give them training which doesn’t push them to improve.

    But there have been countless times players have misplaced a basic 10 yard pass and that’s nothing the manager can do, cisse being offside 10 times a game is his fault, poor corner delivery (partly tactical but the balls in are poor often too)….the players have to carry the can as well.

    Unfortunately for Pardew the manager has to overcome these problems and that’s his problem.

  • 52 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Lets be honest we had many discussions last season about the style we used to get to 5th.

    Many said it didn’t matter as its a results business and that whilst it wasn’t good football, it got us high in the table and that you hoped there would be improvements on the pitch.

    A year later the football has gone backwards, the team has gone backwards, the results have gone backwards and the league position has suffered the same fate.

    Blame injuries all you want but that doesn’t affect the evolution of footballing style and philosophy.

    Now thinking ahead to the next 7 years. Results and league places are never guaranteed. Not with Pardew or a new manager, but on thing almost guaranteed is the quality of football with Pardew. That’s how he has always been and always will be. A leopard cannot change its spots.

    Can you really say that you’re happy with that style despite the fact it doesn’t guarantee anything in football?

    I’d rather play good football and leave results to fate than have to stomach another season of the most basic style I have ever witnessed in all my years supporting nufc.

    Pardew has said that he would look to build a team based on ball retention and fluid attacking play. He has had all the tools yet failed to deliver even a glimpse of that evolution.

    How can a man fly a plane without sitting in the cockpit before?

    He doesn’t have a clue how to, has never shown he can and IMO never will.

  • 53 No Plain Saylor // May 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    those of you saying we’ll see how laudrup gets on, sorry your acting like his comments last night were in refence to the future. He was talking about previous experience, these were not wild asumptions that Swansea would manage but facts that getafe did manage, with a very small squad, 58 games in one season. So he has and will again manage this fixture congestion, all the best managers do, and are glad to compete in europe, pardew just complains and yaps, and sees it as a burden. thank go we aren’t in europe.

    Ibiza,
    you dont have to judge pardew on this season, judge him on his entire career, when things got bad at any club he never could fix them, worst losing streak with west ham and us, our worst defeat to sunderland since 1979, worst defeat at home since 1922, most goals conceded in league, least away wins since 1960, awful goal difference, in his whole career i’ve nevr seen him once hold his hands up and say I GOT IT WRONG, not one game, the deflection of blame boils my piss, the diarrhea that dribbles out of his mouth in interviews, phew, thank god we aren’t in europe, dont care if we are hammered by arsenal. He couldn’t guarantee we wouldn’t be in another relegation battle next season and then he said that limp performance yesterday ‘would have critics crying in their beer’. No you d1pshit but a 5-0 win, maybe.
    He parks the bus the moment we take the lead, doesn’t matter if we are only 5 minutes into the game. The best teams believe in themselves and always go for more, yeah they get caught out sometimes but a lot less than we get caught out sitting deep and hoofin it clear, inviting pressure.
    He cannot, has not and will never learn, after all he is a man who ‘prides himself on tactical knoweldge’ and ‘is a winner’. He is the most egotistical, stubborn, self obbssessed, deluded freak I’ve ever heard, and the very thoguth of him being here next season makes my balls jump up into my stomach.
    Our top drawer players don’t deserve his special brand of poo, and look bang ordinary being forced to play it. They will leave, and they should. Maybe not this summer, but if Pardew gets all of next season I wouldn’t expect higher than 12th. If Rafa, Blanc or Solsjkaer got next season I wouldn’t expect lower than 8th.

    And if one more person compares Pardew to Moyes or Fergie I’ll crack up. Moyes inherited a crap team playing crap football and a team expected to do poorly. He had done well at preston, had the right attitude, brought the club on tremendously, even thought they had one poor finish, improvements could be seen, also he was a young manager, Pardew has been managing for 12/ 13 years.. He is and always was a sh1t.

  • 54 HullMag6 // May 13, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Beattie one difference between us and most of the top 7 – strength in depth which MA needs to address regardless of the management issue. Once certain key players lose form or get injured we haven’t the quality within the squad to challenge or cover key positions and tactical rubbish as well as playing people out of position.

  • 55 Korean Magpie // May 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Pardew’s dumb so he still thinks that we really want him here..so for him to really get the idea…let’s sing Please leave Pardew for the remaining 10 minutes against Arsenal

  • 56 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    Ibiza

    I think the only difference between us is patience.

    I won’t wait for an upgrade just because I can wait. Ill actively voice my disapproval until we get what we deserve.

    I guess I can’t comprehend how people can sit on it and watch this happen whilst I’m sure many cant understand why I’m so impatient.

    People think I hate Pardew and that I blame him for everything (not you of course) which isn’t true.

    He is a decent manager and will forever be a man that rides the cusp of lower PL and higher championship level.

    I Just want better for the club and I want it now.

  • 57 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    No plain saylor

    Lets see how laudrup does with Europa and prem league though.

    Prem league is much faster than the Spanish league so see how he does with Swansea.

    I think he will do well but it’s a case of wait and see

  • 58 boater // May 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    The sub-literate, narcissistic mob types who spend match day demonising the manager, club, players and other bloggers; and the rest of the time populating these boards with the kind of bile and vitriol you’d see on a Daily Mail comments board on Jimmy Saville – all seem to want Pardew out. 1000 idiots who are incapable of dispassionate reasoning, and shout the same message doesn’t make it any more true. I almost want him to be given next season in the hope that it will expunge these cretins as ‘supporters’ of the club.

  • 59 DokToon // May 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    gmorning all from over here,

    thank st pardew that he, and he alone, saved NUFC from relegation… if it wasnt for the genius of him, the majetsy of his phenominal tactics, and the brilliance of his substitutions, wed be relegated… all you want-to-sack-him posters should hang your heads in shame!

    that, my friends, is sarcasm… :)

  • 60 MrMojoRisin76 // May 13, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Morning people,I have a question for the Anti-Pardew fans,What were your expectations for this team before the start of the season league table wise?,i’m only asking because i hear a lot of you saying we over achieved last season,if your saying this basically what your saying is the team on paper last season wasn’t expected to finish 5th but we did,the Anti-Pardew fans who don’t want to give him any credit put this down to luck,i put it down to our manager.Now with only 1 1st team addition to this squad where did you think we would finish this season?

  • 61 check the toastie // May 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    The stabililty debate is irrelevent, Pardew should never have been given the job and has proved this notion with his total ineptitude.

    Pardew should be sacked as simply he is Shit, always has been and always will be, and is an obnoxious tit to boot.

  • 62 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Stability on the football pitch and in the boardroom is more important than the stability on the sidelines.

    If you have a great team that sticks together and wants to succeed and excel and a boardroom that shares that mentality then all you need is a manager that can come in and bridge the gap between the two.

    Until you find the right manager you keep searching until that special one comes along and brings out the best in the team.

    We have luxuries that neither Ferguson, Moyes and even Wenger had at the start of their current jobs and that is a vastly talented squad that should by rights be pushing top 6. We don’t need Pardew to build a team over the next 7 years in order to push up the league and compete at the highest level.

    For the good of the players, fans and even mike Ashley’s god damn business Pardew should be relieved.

  • 63 WWYCD // May 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Sage
    For me the whole seasons been a write off from managers failings to the players not showing up plus the board ignoring squad issues and letting us stumble so obviously

    Nests seasons a new one and either way opinions on here have no chance of changing Ashley’s mind

  • 64 jayphoto // May 13, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    Worse thing ive seen pardew say was this week when he was talking about David Moyes! Really kept emphasising how big an acheivement that finishing in the top 6 was, and how its the sign of a top manager etc, was really obviously using the subject of moyes as a way of talking himself up! Got a feeling hes gone into self preservation mode, would’n’t surprise me if hes got an eye on the everton job! Personally im all for stability, but only with the right manager! Out of our 37 league games this season of which ive watched all, the only games i can remember us being the better side was the home wins againnst spurs and stoke! Even wins vs chelsea and southampton were fortunate as they missed buckets of chances each! My worry is that pardew sets up teams fearing the loss too much! Its like a game of football manager where at half time he sets his team mentality to ‘contain’. Would like a manager with the confidence in his team to believe they can win games by attacking for the whole 90 minutes!

  • 65 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    Sage

    Did you see MOTD last night?

  • 66 Jonny // May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    HBA needs to lose a few pounds in the summer. And I don’t mean down the casino.

  • 67 No Plain Saylor // May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    The most important thing in football is a philosophy, a way of playing tht you stick to, hold in high regard and will not back away from despite a poor run in form.
    What is Pardew’s philosophy? Seriously pro pardew people tell me what is his style?
    It is keep it tight, defend well and try to catch them on the break. It’s all about that word for Pardew – “magic”. That’s how he thinks games should be won, rather than putting attacking pressure on as a team, as a unit.

    He thinks you can either win by keeping it tight and having a moment of that magic, or you can throw the kitchen sink forward and hope not to get caught. There’s no middle ground whatsoever of playing positive football and yet also defending sensibly from the front like most other teams at least attempt. Also keeping possession and attacking patiently is defending, the best form of it.

    It brings to mind when we played Spurs last season and he said we would “let our hair down” and we were 4-0 down at half time. He hasn’t the first clue how to play football like a normal balanced team. He’s frighteningly limited and I don’t understand how anyone can still support him if you really love this club.

  • 68 Ulster_Toon // May 13, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    The problem with pardew is that we have a squad of technically gifted players just look at cabaye ben arfa, marvaeux, anita etc. And we play a negative hoofball all the time. A bad system for the players we have, and pardew doesnt learn. Next year he will want carrol and although i like him as a player, it will just cement the boring football the fans dont want to see. Would rather see remy and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang come in.

  • 69 Mag.no // May 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    MrMojo

    I’d be happy with 8th and above, league table wise.
    I’m not that shallow though and know that our football is way more important than a number on a list. I want us to play football and evolve that way, not us finishing on a certain place. If we evolve our play we will automaticly look better, league table wise too.

  • 70 jayphoto // May 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    Think reasons for wanting a change arent all to do with league position! I could accept 13th if we’d shown positive signs in more performances! The level of talent in the squad means our play should be a higher level than we’ve seen! This season ive watched Reading come to St James’ park and come away not only with 3 points but also playing us off the park! In away games we’ve been outplayed by reading, southampton, Brighton, Atromitos, maritimo! Its not the results that are a concern because freaks do happen,, its that top often we are outplayed by much lesser sides

  • 71 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Mojo

    Simple really.

    I expected better football than last season, a growth of ability, style and quality.

    We have regressed.

    I expected a top 8 finish given the quality of the squad.

    We haven’t achieved that.

    If you take away all the good luck, individual brilliance and complete failures of other clubs we would have finished about 12th-8th last season IMO.

    In terms of footballing quality we deserved no better than 12th-8th last season.

    Looking at this season and taking away the bad luck we’ve had we would still be in 15th-12th place so I think that is a fair reflection of this season.

    In terms of footballing quality we deserve to go down as we have been the worst footballing team outside of QPR. Even with the lack of depth caused by injuries our starting 11 and subs have been stronger than most teams below and around us.

    I know you’ll argue with me so save your breath but that’s my opinion.

  • 72 Mag.no // May 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    …and adding i don’t think we’ll evolve under Pardew. He’s not capable of playing modern football.

  • 73 croftus5678 // May 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    some wingers and strikers now pls.
    i see pro’s and cons with all managers tbh and its completely out of our control so if pards does stay i’m hoping the team will gel after half of the team were strangers to eachother in fairness.
    mbiwa was awsome at his last club but sadly not great so far ! but collo was the same of some time and look at him now ^^ we really need to keep him.
    debuchy and hairdryer are great even with accounts of there off days and sissoko/gouffy as long as played where they should be are great players.
    cabaye/tiote have let themselves down this season imo and need a fresh start next season with no pressure on them.
    guti….he’s a bench player ! ameobi..just get rid same with ober
    marv should be impact sub and cabaye’s advanced replacement.

    4/4/2 or 4/3/3 next season as cisse can not do it all alone and 1 striker is just way to poor a system for us to play.

  • 74 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    No Plain….It’s all perspectives and patience.

    I will state again, that I am all for a better manager coming in, although I have my doubts as to who that would be. I don’t want change just for the sake of change.

    At the end of last season, I did honestly believe that we would see an improvement in our playing style. We haven’t.

    I think at the start of the season, the manager and players showed an attitude of we’ve made it. Arrogance was a huge downfall for us this season, at least at the beginning.

    I feel from that point onwards, he has been unable to pull it back. Injuries and Europa have proved to be distractions throughout.

    I’m no longer sitting here saying, it will be alright, Alan can do. I am well and truly on the fence with him. It may seem I am simply just backing the guy, but I’m not. I’m just backing not to change for the sake of it. I will be over the moon with a better manager, as much as I would have been if we did it last summer.

    Pardew is limited, but can do a job. Until the clubs ambition is proved or changes (which would mean a better manager I assume), then I don’t see the point in changing managers for more of the same.

    My only proviso has been and is, if the players have lost faith in him and want to leave, then Pardew should go immediately. I don’t support dismantling these players to suit Pardew and his methods.

  • 75 MrMojoRisin76 // May 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Beattie
    No arguments bud,just wanted to know peoples expectations this season of an over-achieving team last season.

  • 76 ilovetoon8788 // May 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    I’ve never seen a premier league side so impotent when it comes to attacking play. Our players are so static and Cisse is completely isolated upfront. It’s not a on off game that we see this. We have been seeing this the entire season.

    And what’s with Pardew complaining about injuries. All season along the match squad he’s been able to put out has been more than decent. Even Manchester United once had to put in a completely makeshift back four with Carrick in central defence and Valencia as full back earlier in the season.

    I really want Pardew to go. With or without injuries our attacking play is almost non-existant for the 2 and a half season he’s here. We need a different manager with a different idea who can take us forward.

  • 77 DCMag // May 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Understand the cynicism around Pardew, but our need for instant results helps feed the perception that we are deluded supporters. Whether it’s Pardew or anyone else, the club need to prove we can go 3+ seasons without changing managers. I’m proud of the Euro campaign, dismayed by the gutless end to the Premier. When you lose 3-1 and 6-0 to the clubs you least admire, it explains the desperate urge to get rid of Pardew. So, I guess I understand both sides. Apologies for the lack of a firm position.

  • 78 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Mojo

    Thanks for respecting my opinion and I hope I can start to return that favour.

  • 79 low fell mag // May 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Well it looks like its time for Pardew to go,i did stand byPardew ,with europe and thinking we would climb the table.I even defended him after the Sunderland game but i lost faith after that terrible Liverpool show.Then when you look at the bigger picture ,60 odd goals conceded ,a pittfull 2 wins away from home, that surely is relegation form,considering the quality players we have.

  • 80 mindshaft // May 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    “We just ran out of legs and xxxxxxx were far the better team in the second half. But I can’t be critical of my side because the running they had to do on Txxxxxxxx night, against a really top side, it had its bearing on today’s result, no doubt about that.

    “The two full-backs, are knackered and the two central midfielders tired badly. We kept giving the ball away and it made it a long day for us, going from one penalty box and back to our own.”

    Typical Pards quote……….. only it’s actually from Fergie on ManUres defeat to Chelski, don’ t think we can only blame Pards for using this excuse as they all do it

    And no chance of Remy coming to Toon as he would have to halve his wages…. he went to QPR as they offered him 80k a week….. has everyone on here got Alzeimers???

  • 81 ToonDownSouth // May 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Ibiza

    Put it this way, if we got rid of Pardew and hired Alan Curbishly, Mark Hughes, Di Matteo, Lee Clark, etc. I would be absolutely livid.

  • 82 stuart no9 // May 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    if that is true about pards keeping his job, then this is a very sad day for NUFC.
    We all thought that ashley was not remotely ambitious regarding the club, this just confirms it.
    The club are just not interestesd in europe one bit- as pardew says ” thank god we are not in it” that must be music to ashleys ears , as the savings on travel costs and accommodation must be immense for our multi billionaire owner.
    Its very sad but i now refuse to pay money to watch a joke of a manager who just dosnt know what he is doing.
    It is the first time in 50 years i have turned my back on them- can i support them now ? no , not untill he is gone and we start to play football again.
    I will still come on this blog , but only to keep the- “pardew out ” campaign in motion . I hope we get a really good thumping off arsenal- i will feel sorry for stevie in goal, but if that is what it takes for ashley to see sense , so be it, anything to get that man away from this club before we are relegated,. dont forget we survived because we played the worst team in the prem , and the season finished when it did , 2 more games and we wouldnt have made it. sad , but 1 must do what 1 has too. PARDEW OUT.

  • 83 ToonDownSouth // May 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    mindshaft

    Amazing haha!

  • 84 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    TDS…Exactly. I think my approach is probably too relaxed. I like the idea of bringing in a young guy, with some forward thinking ideas, to work within Pardews team (failing a better manager). Less upheaval now and we would have someone learning about the club ready to step in.

    Small but significant steps?

  • 85 No Plain Saylor // May 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Ibiza,
    Whilst I don’t always comment, I do tend to flick through a few comments form other users, and I do read every story every day. I agree with you a lot. And your tolerence of Pardew in opposition to an appointment of a Nigel Pearson, Steve umbrella McClaren, Neil Warnock, Darren Ferguson mirrors my own thoughts. However I am fully convinced, without a shade of doubt, that we can attract a top quality manager, despite Ashley’s restrictions on control, etc. I fully believe this is a great job for someone, with a good squad, great support, a fantastic scouting network (albeit a little too much in the one country). We are one of very few clubs to turn a profit. There is no reason we couldn’t have a manger that would excite all, current players and incoming players, staff and fans alike. I understand your doubt and share it, Ashley’s track record at appointments is awful, bar Chris Hughton who in my opinion was far better than Pardew is. Maybe Ashley’s learned his lesson, I firmly believe he can suprise us, £31m spent in january is testiment to that, the fact that pardew hasn’t spoke to him since the liverpool game fills me with hope, and the fact that it was said Mashley ‘doesn’t do embarrassment’ and he was embarrassed. Rene Girard, Laurent Blanc and Rafa Benitez are three unattached quality managers. I’m sure we could attract one, I’m also sure we all agree any of them would be a big improvement.

  • 86 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    mindshaft…That can’t be true? :)

  • 87 JAMSHA // May 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    YAWNNNNNNNN! WHATS OUR NXT SEASON KITS GOIN TO BE LIKE? WHICH PLAYERS R WE LINKED WITH

  • 88 croftus5678 // May 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    if we get a new manager woot woot aslong as they are decent manager but if we keep pards then without europe and any other excuses i think top 8 is a realistic target ?
    like someone said before we have not been in the prem long atm and 5th last season to lower half this season !
    we realistically should be aiming for top 8-6 over a 3-4 season period before we start thinking of going for champs league or europe and make sure we stay attractive to players and get stronger as a squad.
    as much as i wanted it we was in no position to go for europe and fans do not seem to appreciate we got into the 1/4′s so we may aswell just go out in the first round next time had’nt we ?

  • 89 alex84 // May 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    I have to say, we must make a change, I have given Pardew chance after chance, But he just is not the right man for the job. We are so boring watch, we have produce no fluid attacking play and Cabaye has been ruined, we are the most direct football team in the league, if carr had hair he would be pulling it out, all the work he has done scouting technical players for them either to be benched(Anita) or not used in the best way. It was painful watching yesterday it has been all season, Pardew had a good season, not just down to luck but he has no plan b and has been found out, he has to go, now. Benitez would be great and would show real ambition.

  • 90 Markaccus // May 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Having said and read all this….. if we nick a win against the gunners we could potentially end up 10th. I would have taken 8th this season due to overachievement last season. 2 places below par after ,if we are honest (and dis regarding feelings and pardew) , we have had more than a fair share of bad luck which happened in key games, it actually doesnt look that bad! I still want more attacking football next year no matter who is in charge.

  • 91 Munster Mag // May 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Sorry, but can the supporters of Pardew please identify themselves in one message . Eg Dannyo….( or whomever ) supporter. Because when we are shit again next season, I want to be able to identify you and say – “you were talking Horlicks” . So come on guys – put your name out there – Pardew supporter on non supporter. Identify yourselves…

  • 92 Munster Mag // May 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    I’ll start ….Munster – Not a Pardew supporter.

  • 93 southerngeordie // May 13, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    Ed, I think you’ve missed the point. You can bang on about the need for stability to breed success, and how in the past we’ve been too keen to get rid of managers but surely, there is a greater argument to say that we’ve just made some bad judgment calls when it comes when it comes to hiring managers in the first place?

    Going through your list (Kenny Dalglish, Ruud Gullit, Bobby Robson, Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Sam Allardyce, Kevin Keegan, Joe Kinnear, Alan Shearer, Chris Hughton and Alan Pardew) with the exception of SBR there is a case in-point to suggest that all the above were justified.

    Football is brutal – look at what’s gone on at Chelsea. They might have had 8 or 9 managers but at least they’ve got the trophies to back up their justification. Ambrovich, while undoubtedly a horrible bastard, is a winner and he expects the same from his managers. If you can’t win, he’ll find someone who can. It’s brutal and there have been times when arguably they should have opted for stability i.e. Ancelotti and Jose, but looking at their trophy cabinet, I wouldn’t mind having some of that.

    Successful football clubs are no longer driven by the manager – Abramovich changed the game and now, it’s down to the owners of the club. Managers are no more expendable than the players. If a manager is not up-to-scratch ambitious clubs will get rid and employ someone who can. Spurs are a very good example of this. Invested in good coaches who understand the demands of the owner. Granted they are not expected to compete for titles but Champions League is a must. They’ve done this actively now for three years and when Harry couldn’t meet the demands he was off, for someone who could. Now they are at the cusp of moving up to the next level and will likely be challenging titles consistently from next year – all because they’ve invested in the manager and coaching structure to support this goal.

    Pardew achieved an amazing feat last year but mark my words this will not happen again. Sadly the lack of ambition shown from Ashley suggests he’s happy to ride this out and, if by chance we have the odd successful season or good cup run, then brilliant, all good fun, but he’s comfortable with mid-table and that is the sad realisation that there is a real possibility of us becoming nothing more than an average team from the north, like a Bolton, Stoke, Blackburn, playing boring, ugly football.

  • 94 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    mojo

    I’d have said for 8th place, i think even with our problems we should have been a match for west brom over 38 games.

    But as beattie said it’s more style, I could have taken a lower finish if it was due to players adapting to a new style of passing/moving more and trying to be more attacking.

    But i don’t think this season is all down to pardew..i blame him for taking a squad capable of a safe top 10, even with problems and making it fight relegation.

    If he stays, which i don’t want, i will judge him on what i see next season, not hold biased views based on this one. He has seem how bad we play, now has a decent sized squad (just lacking a couple forwards/wingers) and expect much better next year whoever is in charge.

  • 95 Markaccus // May 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    Munster…. thats the kind of confrontational bs that gives fans a bad name.

  • 96 bettyswallocks // May 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    I really cant believe the fickleness of some people on here, particularly ED ,who has now decided on the back of us scraping a win yesterday that P ardew should stay.

    We won yesterday not because the team played well but because Bosingwa gifted us two suspiciously blatant goals. Won t dwell on that but the first one stunk of pre meditated assistance.

    Pardew is only interested in safeguarding his own position and all the patronising false promises of providing an exciting attacking team is all absolute bull as was predicted to the letter by Stewart Robson at the start of Pardews reign.

    The man is a phoney con merchant and although he managed to create some spirit and endeavour last season, the fans who understand football can see that he has no method whatsoever.

    I can t believe that some turncoats after the chronicle suggesting he is staying, are preparing to put up with more of his incompetence and lies.

    How can we enthuse about exciting new signings and achieving something next season when we
    know its going to be more of the same.

    Those that want him out need to collectively make our feelings known to the board.
    This is our club and not just about Pardew trying to keep his job at all costs.

  • 97 toonluvva // May 13, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    I think that keeping Pardew could be worse than being relegated.

    If we had been relegated our squad would be quickly dismantled as the quality players decided to ply their trade elsewhere.

    Now we will have a slow decline as Pardews tactics de-motivate the better players and we lose them over the January window and then again in the the summer of 2014.

    In the meantime our morale will be rock bottom, just as the team will be rock bottom of the premiership. No chance of enticing decent players into the squad.

    Eventually, too late of course, Llambias will wake up to the problem and bring back Kinnear to replace Pardew.

    Frankly in my opinion it’s Llambias & Pardew who are the problem. The ffirst hasn’t got a clue about football and the latter is relying on that fact.

    Sack them both Ashley! Next season the Ashley Out chants will start up again and get louder and louder.

  • 98 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    No Plain…Even last year, when I thought we were doing well, I always felt Pardew is a step in the right direction for the club. That might not be the right phrase. Shall I say, someone to oversee the change of direction of the club?

    At some point, he would need to be upgraded (assuming the ambition from the top man was the same).

    I think doing so well last year and so badly this year has accelerated most fans expectations now. I took a view before that it would take a few years to really be able to judge Pardew and that started at the beginning of last season (not the December he took over from Hoots).

    I’m not sure if it’s some perverse interest to see how he would get on next season, I just don’t buy in to the hatred many have for him, it seems typical of mob mentality.

    At this stage, I am more interested in what Ashley does next. I don’t completely agree that keeping Pardew would show no ambition, if he improves other areas of the management team and gets in some more quality players then I would see what happens before passing judgement.

    Back on to possible new managers, i don’t think it’s a case of not being able to attract a decent manager exactly, but whether Mike would pay for one. It’s not just a coincidence that we have the lowest paid manager in the league, is it? However, it’s the end of the season and all bets are off.

    Interesting days ahead.

  • 99 alex84 // May 13, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Stability is good if you have a manager that is getting the best out of his squad, Pardew has turned full internationals into average players, i.e Cabaye, if he goes to say Arsenal or Man u etc, we shall see him go back to the player he was, as they will play to his strengths, we must get a manager who the players will want to play for, not a manager who plays more direct than Fat Sam! we are painful to watch under Pardew.

  • 100 thejokethatisnufc // May 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Stuck up for Pardew even when it got desperate and I do want him to have another season and see how we get on but his interview after QPR game was shocking and the fact he takes no responsibility does my nut in, lets hope he said that out of frustration at the end of the qpr game.

  • 101 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Munster…How can you possibly split it that way? Pro or anti Pardew. It’s hardly that simple.

  • 102 bettyswallocks // May 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Blindingly obvious to me that Michael Laudrup is the ideal replacement for Pardew.

    Meets all the criteria and is very level headed and sincere.

  • 103 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Munster

    Beattie25 – not a Pardew supporter

    Ill also speak for markaccus

    Markaccus – a Pardew supporter

  • 104 No Plain Saylor // May 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    SouthernGeordie,
    Take a bow lad.

  • 105 Ian Toon // May 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    A Pardew supporter . Evaluation around End October 2013.

  • 106 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8710925/Newcastle-United-boss-Alan-Pardew-insists-Arsenal-comment-was-a-gag

  • 107 Thump // May 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    @bettyswallocks: Are you seriously suggesting that Pardew paid QPR off?

  • 108 HullMag6 // May 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    With the big new tv cash injection coming in we would hope that any new/revisiting players a mentally tough enough to dig us out if we’re here again next season if Pards stays. But hopefully our luck/mojo will be back next season too.

    This seasons malaise is not directly attributable to one source. Root and branch/top down pick your cliché elements rest with MA/DL, Pards and poor performance from the players. Sacking Pardew might be a quick fix but would it be the right one?

    We the fans are not vocal enough sometimes once upon a time every match was like a cup final teams feared our atmosphere, too many times I’ve heard ccommentators say how quiet we are.

    We are the toon this is our team regardless who plays/manages its our job to try and put you off by being the 12th man at St James’ on match days

    Although we can bitch moan analyse as much as we like on our blog of choice or 606 if we’re brave enough

  • 109 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    Ibiza

    C’mon join in its fun!

  • 110 G // May 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    So, to sumarise, Ed believes that keeping AP at the toon, would guaruntee stability, and ergo success? Sorry to dissagree Ed, but keeping AP at the toon would be reinforcing failure. It’s obvious to all that he does not know how to assert his teams on the opposition, and also has no idea how to best deploy the players we have. Keeping AP is like throwing good money after bad, and I have to wholeheartedly dissagree with you Ed.

  • 111 Mag.no // May 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    bettyswallocks@96

    Well said! I agree 100%.

  • 112 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Beattie…Oh alright then :)

    Ibizatoon – On the fence

    Better?

  • 113 magpie6699 // May 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    I have to say I’m really not sure either way. Yes it’s been a very poor season but although the manager has to carry the can, I can’t lay all the blame on Pardew. Some of the players have been very sub-standard You can go on about what Pardew’s tactics are, his starting line-up or substitutions but it’s not him who decides to screw up a simple pass, dwell on the ball and get caught, shoot over from 5 yards etc. I will excuse all the players who joined in January because (and I said so at the time) anyone who thinks they are going to adapt to the PL instantly is mistaken. Enrique and Collocini were iffy when they first came – but I’d have both in my starting 11 any time. We saw the potential in Sissoko and Debuchy but both have struggled after a good start. I think they will come good. I like the look of Haidar and obviously Yanga and I think Gouffran is a good squad / bench player atm who I would hope will improve further. The big disappointments have been our big stars from last year – Tiote, Cisse and even HBA and Cabaye – although the last two have had injury and fitness problems as an excuse.
    As for Pards – well, unless we have a great replacement lined up, which seems very unlikely, I would keep him till December and reassess then.
    Finally (sorry for the long post) i am always struck by how fine the boundary is between success and failure. If we had gone on to beat Benfica 2-0 (a possibility) and if Cisse’s goal against the Mackems had stood and we’d gone on to win the game (also possible) – never mind the Wigan atrocity!- the season could have felt so different. Not the greatest but a European trophy would have had us all ecstatic!

  • 114 Mag.no // May 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    And by the way…

    Mag.no – Not a Pardew supporter

  • 115 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    Ibiza

    I’m glad he’s come out and said it was a gag. All is forgiven.

    I think everyone knows it was a gag but people in the public eye, especially spokesmen for a club, city and region plus it’s legions of fans have a responsibility to know when to draw the line.

    It was the same with ‘I don’t care if we finish 4th bottom’.

    I know what he’s pointing out, it is blindingly obvious, but if you were a doctor who nearly put the heart in the wrong place during surgery wouldn’t turn round to the family and say ‘thank god I don’t have to do another transplant, and I don’t care if I put the stitches in wrong’.

  • 116 G // May 13, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    @post 113, some good points, but I’m still firmly in the ‘get-rid’ camp. Whilst it is difficult to dissagree with a lot of your points, I have lost faith completely in AP, and am more than just a little bit alarmed as to some of the comments that he has recently made to the press (“I don’t care if Arsenal put 4 past us”).

  • 117 discrepancia // May 13, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    well most people here are for pardews sacking, noone likes him but i have 1 simple question :
    what’s the point of writing it ?
    Why noone protests public and defent his opinion at SJP
    p.s. I wish i lived in England. Just to do it..

    why you people, who dislike pardew don’t show it publicity?

    HWTL

  • 118 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Beattie…Just posting the update, not endorsing it :)

  • 119 HullMag6 // May 13, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    On the fence with Ibiza

    now ive had time to vent and think.

  • 120 thejokethatisnufc // May 13, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    good points magpie6699

  • 121 Blofal // May 13, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    Chris Hughton did all that was asked of him and he got the sack to bring in Pardew. Pardew took Hughton’s team to 5th then almost got us relegated the next season.

    Pardew’s brand of football is not the type that is going to get me up at 2am to watch my beloved Newcastle united. I don’t get excited. I never think we are going to score. Long bombs and no flair. That’s all I see. If he stays I hope to god he changes our style. It simply breaks me to watch the way we play now. There is just no beauty in it.

  • 122 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Hull…Welcome to the fence, can I interest you in a refreshing beverage?

  • 123 Thump // May 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Honestly, if he’s confirmed the manager we’ve got to support him (I’m saying nowt about liking him). My mate made a very good point last night in counter to my usual spiel about him relegating teams in his third season. Basically he reminded me that he’s never been given a fourth and that we’re firmly in the unknown. He might surprise us and for his sake, I certainly hope he does.

  • 124 No Plain Saylor // May 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    Ibiza,
    More quality players won’t make much difference, Pardew’s system of 10 defenders and an isolated Cisse makes our better players look bang average. Also he’d pobably just play them out of position.
    A lot of people have mentined an improvement in coaching staff, someone to come in to help pardew. And while we do need an upgrade in staff, someone coming in to help pardew would be fruitless, as he has the final decision and is too pig ignorant to listen to anyone or change things.
    I don’t think Pardew will evolve, everyone is capable, however he believes he’s perfect and his sh1ts stink of roses. In his entire managerial career I’m yet to see him once utter four little words that anyone without dignity and a humble personality can say ‘I got it wrong’.
    If we still had Barton, Nolan, Routledge, Best, etc I would share your view on a patient approach, however we have a collective group of foreign players who have no affinity to this club, they don’t support us, we are a project they undertook in the hope and belief we could become great together. The longer Pardew stays, the longer that project is on hold and the more chance these players will leave to bigger, better, more ambitious clubs. My point about Barton, Nolan, etc was that if we still had those players I wouldn’t expect as much as I do, and I wouldn’t be greatly miffed if they left as they aren’t the most difficult to replace. But if our poor football, awful comments from pardew and lack of desire to win trophies, even games! means that cabaye, benny, etc decide to leave, they will be very dificult to replace. All could be avoided if we show ambition.
    It is as you say, all up to Mashley now and it will be interesting. Does he want midtable finishes with poop football, or does he want a high calibre internationally respected manager to come in and be in and around the top 6 and challenge them.

  • 125 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    If you are 50-50 you only have to ask yourself the one question that should define all fans at all clubs, is the manager in charge the right manager to take the football club forward?

    Surely you can fall down either side of that metaphorical fence after 2 1/2 years.

    If you don’t think he is then surely the view is that finding a manager who can is of prime importance seeing as the manager is so vital to the club.

    I can understand the fear many have. You are all terrified of firing a decent manager in Pardew and getting an even worse one. That’s where faith comes in. We have had none these last few years but that doesn’t mean it should desert us.

    There are no guarantees in football but I’d rather travel the world and try different locations than settle for the same holiday every year because you know it’s decent.

    Life is about risk and this is one risk we should take IMO to try and improve the club.

    Every decision is about risk and many try to minimise risk in order to save face, I know, I’ve done that too many times in life.

    That’s what Pardew is, a safe bet. Sometimes though you just have to risk everything in the quest for better rather than sitting on your hands and watching the clock slowly tick by whilst all your opponents fill you with envy.

  • 126 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Thump…It’s not much of a saving grace, but I have said that before when people point to his CV. Rightly or wrongly, when his teams hit the sh*t in the past he’s been sent packing. It only proves that he does hit problems, not that he can’t turn them around.

    Not saying he will.

  • 127 magpie6699 // May 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    G – I agree about his press statements – sometimes I feel like cringing (but not as much as with Souness!) but I also think that when you have lost the fans, people will pick up whatever you say and use it against you. And if he says nothing, that will count against him too. My position – I would get rid IF we had Rafa or Laudrup (say) lined up – but would not be happy with yet another mediocre journeyman or raw recruit. Btw, anyone else still not convinced by Paulo Mussolini? 2-3 good results / performances do not convince me.

  • 128 No Plain Saylor // May 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    NPS,
    Not a Pardew supporter.

    This will be a lot easier when Ed does this poll he said he’d do?? :)

  • 129 catchy in norway // May 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Ibizatoon – Back By Popular Demand

    i have not read all the comments , just flicked through them

    so i may have got this all wrong

    but you said

    No Plain…Even last year, when I thought we were doing well, I always felt Pardew is a step in the right direction for the club. That might not be the right phrase. Shall I say, someone to oversee the change of direction of the club?

    can you please explain what was wrong with the direction CH was taking us

    i mean if we are talking about stabilty , i had not seen a mmore settled NUFC in years, the football, whilst not the greatest, it was moving forward,

    the real gem of a player (HBA)was brought in under CH, so for me we were moving in the right direction,,

    you talk about new managers and would ashley pay for one, hmmmm
    i know your not a stupid guy, but come on,, how many managers are out there that get superstar wages?? i know in france germany spain holland portugal, they pay nothing like the prem, so why not look there,, ole gunner might not be having the best season so far, but i bet he is on no more than 400K per year,

    pardew is on 1-2 mill,, none of the countries i mention will be paying that to there managers, maybe madrid barca bayenmm but who els??

    ED come on,, explain stabilty for us,

  • 130 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Ibiza

    I know you weren’t endorsing it. I forget blog formalities sometimes. When I write your name at the start it isolates the post for you but it was meant to be a general response to your link.

    It all confuses me sometimes.

  • 131 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Ibiza

    What are the beverages on the fence?

    Is it like root beer?

    You can alcoholic and non-alcoholic depending on your taste.

  • 132 Markaccus // May 13, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Beattie…. dont ever presume to speak for me on anything, you arrogant piece of s**t. This whole thing is getting very old and extremely annoying, peoples opinions are now being used for character assassination. That is quite frankly out of order. You are one of the biggest culprits.

  • 133 catchy in norway // May 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    Ibizatoon – Back By Popular Demand

    i think your blinded by thinking your taking the high road, the morraly correct rd,
    he gets sacked because of poor results and the bad feeling he has around the club, yes maybe results can be turned around, but fans perceptions carnt be changed so easy,
    he leaves places to pick up the pieces, build moral up again

    are you telling me players will be happy with our tactics?

  • 134 nufcursed // May 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    stability doesn’t mean sht…
    if hitler was your boss would you want stability??

    pardew is a coward with too much excuses..
    relieved for not playing in europe??says a lot about the manager’s attitude.

    to me pardew must go as the top players won’t play for him. he’s the most negative manager we’ve had for a while.

    plus this was one of our least injury-hit seasons in recent years, so using injuries as an excuse for our poor season is just lame.

    get him out asap!

  • 135 southerngeordie // May 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Call it blind optimism, clutching at straws or praying to the Gods but is there any truth in the rumours that NUFC are holding a press conference at 5.30pm?

    I’m 99% sure it’s bollocks but i’m clinging onto the 1% that it’s about Pardew and a P45.

  • 136 No Plain Saylor // May 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    This was said yesterday but Jorgen Klopp at Brossia Dortmund is on £1.7m a year, not saying we could get him, no chance. But quality managers in other countries don’t get a smuch as crap ones here.
    Also in france tax on high earners (so footballers, managers) is like 70% so Rudi Garcia, Rene Girard, Laurent Blanc would all recieve far more money here, even if the wage was say 10% lower.
    Solsjkaer is the naem that won’t go away, and I don’t want it to either.

  • 137 discrepancia // May 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    remy to arsenal,
    here in the german press

  • 138 frost-nufc // May 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    How sick am I hearing the ” make no mistake about that” dribble before and after every game.

    I ‘m grinding my teeth thinking about his sub on sunday, putting Obertan on instead of Anita or Marv when we needed to keep the ball.

    Deploying tactics that makes Derry and Jenas control the engine room and make Cabaye and Tiote look useless is beyond me.

    I bet Anita, Marv, Cab, are crying before they go to sleep every night, knowing no matter what they do the next day, some useless tactics and players will get the nod.

    Rant over.

  • 139 Laurent Robert 32 // May 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Laurent Robert 32 – most definitely not a Pardew supporter

  • 140 Joe Blog // May 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Why hasn’t Ed run a poll yet? Logical next step.

  • 141 Rainrix // May 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Thump… Unknown territory certainly. TBH i dont think we’d go down with him in charge next season. I think we’d just settle into consistent mediocracy not really challenging for anything over than mid table.

    The problem is that i doubt our players would be happy with that. With the squad we have we should be challenging for europe and the domestic trophies at least. I dont think pards in that sense is the right man.

  • 142 eaststandgeordie1982 // May 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    I had mackems saying they were safe last night, i said until the maths say you are and that if we had drew yesterday i wouldnt say that we were safe by a long shot, his reply “so your saying your safe now infact you have more chance of going down than us” oh dear

    TOP DOGS

  • 143 catchy in norway // May 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    ED

    please have a poll on ahould pardew stay or go

    but i guess you wont,, i think you will get a fright, not so many want him, and you know it

  • 144 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Well heard a couple names today if anyone wants to listen.

    1. weinmann – the club have looked into signing him but he does not want to leave villa for us so we wont be getting him

    2. scott sinclair is on the radar and we have spoken to city about signing him, permanent deal, but nothing further yet other than city are listening to offers, think 5/6mil would be enough

    Not sure how much truth is in these, but sinclair is a decent player, we lack a good wide man.

    Also talk with mourinho to chelsea there is a chance chelsea will try to beat man utd to ronaldo’s signature and also look to bring in rooney to reunite the two.

  • 145 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Markaccus

    When have I ever attempted to Assisntant your character?

    I don’t even know who you are.

    I know what you are but I avoid the who because that is of no importance to me.

  • 146 discrepancia // May 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    no poll yet because ed is smart and knows ashley =knows pardew = pardew going nowhere .

  • 147 eaststandgeordie1982 // May 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    Wait until the maths*

  • 148 G // May 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    Whilst it’s great to speculate as to who would come in, with names like Klopp, Rafa, Blanc etc, lets have a look at the appointments we have made, Keegan and Shearer asside (as most fans were fairly happy with the appointments, if not the results / reaction) the rest are CH (Not who we wanted, but didn’t he do well?), JFK, and of course our very own AP, it’s more likely to be somebody who hasn’t worked for a couple of years… lets face it, when AP goes, it will be Curbishley.

  • 149 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    What is Pardews favourite quote in his press ramblings?

    I’d go for ‘trust me’.

  • 150 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Beattie…

    Drinks – Whatever you like.

    Post meant for everyone – understood.

    50/50 on manager – I am just of the thinking that we’re not in a state of absolute horror where we must act now. Whilst I’d be happy with a new manager, i personally don’t think it wise to get rid of pardew in the hope the next one brought in wont be another yes man, which is all we’ll get if we force a move. Ashley needs to have the ambition for a greater future for it to happen imo.

    No Plain…That is the big “if”. Will Pardew allow someone else to have a say? I honestly don’t know. Do we think Carver has tried telling him to do it differently? More guesswork.

    I suppose at the end of the day I have a relaxed outlook about it. I don’t see the urgency of a lost season like many and that way well be naive.

    Once again, the big proviso is player support. If they don’t, then they will leave and we’re back to square one. That would be a problem for me.

    Catchy…I never supported changing Hoots, so not sure how to answer that. I do feel that there was perhaps too much player control at that time.

    On managers wages, i didn’t claim it to be superstar wages. But relatively speaking, we pay the lowest amount for a manager in the whole league. Excuse me for having my doubts that Ashley would change that approach. Maybe you’re right and a manager on low wages in another league would take the same for us, but I’m not so sure. They are paid what they are in relation to what that league can afford and the fact they’re trying to make a name for themselves.

    Anyway, we’re back to guesswork again.

    Do I need to say again that I am all for a better manager?

  • 151 Ashton // May 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Comparing our team and manager to Everton and Moyes is idiotic. Moyes had an awful team to begin with and the fans were expecting a relegation battle. We on the other hand have a great team, a top six team and we are making amazing signings. Top caliber players for a fraction of what they are worth. Our team is full of internationals and our supporters are miles above Everton’s.

    We shouldn’t wish to be like Everton in the future because we are a better club in every way possible.

    Teams like Everton want to be like us. Not the other way around.

  • 152 discrepancia // May 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    i would go for “make no mistake”

  • 153 No Plain Saylor // May 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    This probably won’t interst a lot of you, I completely understand that.

    I’ve always been a skillfull footballer. That’s not me being cocky it’s just fact. I would never say that if I hadn’t been told it and applauded for it multiple times. I played under 19s for school when i was thirteen. Have come through trials at a league of ireland team, and got injured for the season in my first match, had trials for leinster and got injured the day before the call back. I still love a kick about but I’m unlucky in the injury department. Not saying I ever would have made it, not even complaining, my point is this, I always liked coaching, and being injured allowed me to coach younger groups. I’ve managed two teams, one won the cup, shield and league all in the one year I managed them, made all the more special cos my little brother was in the team. The next team I managed had lost there last two games 19-0 and 17-0 before I took over and hadn’t won all season, and it was just lads looking for a bit of craic, time off class and weren’t too bothered. I got 2 wins, a draw and 2 defeats with them before the year was out. Worst defeat was 3-1. I’ve been scribbling set plays and never before tried formations for years. The ireland under 19s manager knows me personally, not from his private life, but as a good young coach. I’m 20 now. And I haven’t managed a team in two years, haven’t done a coaching course in three years. And haven’t thought about taking it up again in a while. As dreams fade we all let them. But seeing how willing to accept mediocrity some fans are, considering the size of the newcastle united manager position, it fills me with belief, if this clown can get the job, then surely some day I can, and if he makes mistakes at every turn and still has support, then I would not fail. I never thought I’d say this but Pardew gives me hope.. kind of. I’m gonna finish my coaching courses, get a Uefa pro licence, hope to christ I get a job at aldershot town and some day I’ll take the newcastle job. I can’t believe I’ll be saying it but Pardew inspired me.. haha

  • 154 frost-nufc // May 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    I’m from Norway so I have some knowledge about Ole Gunnar Solskjærs work as manager for Molde. He won the league in style last season and everyone was truly impressed. This year however Molde is dead last after 9 games. Sales of 2 important players, amongst (Forrem cb, at Soton who cant get a game btw) and other reasons.

    I see his name is thrown into the mix, but I am on the fence when it comes to him. I have to see if he can turn this slump around first. When the going gets though……

  • 155 HullMag6 // May 13, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    Thanks Ibiza I’ll have Ginger beer for now if I drift to Guinness or dog I may get the raging bloodlust and demand sackings aplenty.

    Dangerous as it was that AP interview the cold hard analysis wasroght, board, manager and most players underperformed. So on balance they should be given till Christmas to get it right

    Right, shopping list: GK, CB x2, Rw/Lw, St x2

  • 156 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    Catchy…No, I’m not, nor have I said the players are happy with his tactics. It’s something I don’t have a way of knowing so haven’t commented on it.

    Do I need to say again that if the players have no faith in Pardew that he should go immediately?

  • 157 Ashton // May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    Excluding Manu, All the top teams in the world constantly change their managers. It doesn’t stop them from winning trophies and never will. So stop rambling like a complete fool about hurr durrr muh stability durrr!!

  • 158 discrepancia // May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    Ibiza
    how can ashley understand that one about players?
    they are obviously not motivated to play under pardew

  • 159 Markaccus // May 13, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Beattie… you “spoke for me” and comments like “i know what you are” are thinly disguised derogatory comments. You have no right to speak for me on a blog or anywhere else… because as you said yourself, you do not know me.

  • 160 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    frost

    great, you are just who i needed to speak to.

    When little Ole won the league (i know it was their first time) but was he expected to? did he have the best team? or was a lot down to him?

  • 161 HullMag6 // May 13, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Heres a twist for you Rene Girard as first team coach and Pardew becomes Technical Director.

    Theres a thought

  • 162 catchy in norway // May 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    beattie

    “if im honest”

  • 163 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Markaccus

    I accept your criticisms and promise to do better in the future.

  • 164 G // May 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    @161, here’s a preferable twist for you, Rene Girard becomes first team coach, and Pardew packs his bags?

  • 165 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Catchy

    That’s a top one.

  • 166 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    hullmag

    why would we want him as a technical director?

    what would he bring to that role?

  • 167 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    discrepancia…Sorry, not following what you’re asking me?

  • 168 G // May 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    What is Pardews favourite quote in his press ramblings?

    I’d go for ‘trust me’

    Wasn’t it AP, long before he became Toon boss who once described a player (can’t remember who) as being ‘raped’ of the ball?

  • 169 MrMojoRisin76 // May 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    I think people under-estimate what effect confidence has on the performance of a team,when your team’s confidence is shot because of a relegation fight it’s difficult to play good attacking football,take yesterday’s game,people forget that Arsenal only won there 1-0 the week before us.I think we will see a completely different performance against Arsenal with the pressure of relegation off us,i think we will go for them big style.

  • 170 runheed // May 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Oh dear. Very depressing if Pardew remains manager next season. Football is entertainment surely… Exciting, dramatic, passionate, uplifting even. What’s the point of watching this horrible stuff after a miserable week at work.

  • 171 ONLINE GUY // May 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Talking about this mystical stability issue re: Manager..

    Surely Stability on the park is foremost ?

    What I mean is keeping our best players and selling the also ran’s, that way we end up with a top class team and don’t loose the best players when the top 4 come a calling with open cheque book’s

    Stability is as important on the pitch if not more so than the Manager.

    So next time DL or MA bang on about stability..lets remind them that it also counts out there on the Park.

    Keep your core of top performers together ..that comes first ..Not the every player has his price statements they regularly put out .

    That’s Stability

  • 172 discrepancia // May 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    ibiza
    just sked how would ashley understand when players want to go because of pardews gameplay and tactics or just they want a bigger club…
    do you think there is a player there to say “our coach is crap, we need better coach”
    i guess the only one who can do it is colo but he is obviously going home
    so???

  • 173 Markaccus // May 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    Beattie…. a simple apology would suffice.

  • 174 clinath@ed // May 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    No Plain Saylor…from a 53 year old looking back, to a 20 year old with everything in front of him….do not let your dreams fade. If you have a talent, use it..push yourself and fulfill every footballers dream. Live a life to the full!
    Off me soap box now, and back on the fence with ibiza…..

  • 175 Mag.no // May 13, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Transfer Sage

    I’m also from Norway and i’ll second frosts post. It was expected that they would win both seasons. Even this season it is expected, perhaps with a bit more competition from Rosenborg(sleeping giant over here).
    The manager that has impressed me most in Norway the last seasons is Ronny Deila. He does wonders with Stromsgodset with a very small budget, and plays beautiful football with a young squad. Lack the international experience Solskjaer has though.

  • 176 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    If Pardew is still here 48 hours after the Arsenal game then it’s fair to say he’ll start next season,so are we going to talk about A list managers all summer until they join clubs willing to pay A list wages..

  • 177 bettyswallocks // May 13, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Pardews ability or lack of it is comparative.

    This is not a vendetta, he is just not good enough to take us forward

    There are lots of other coaches now with inferior squads that can mould their team into a cohesive confident unit through an understanding of modern methods.

    Pardews approach is based on preventing the opposition from playing and then trying to nick a goal.

    This requires intense levels of concentration which leaves the players mentally drained and physically tired.

    We have enough skill in our squad that a better manager could allow the team to play more confidently and use their skills combined with an attacking mindset hence the players not looking tired and nervous.

    Watching Liverpool yesterday is an example of how nice the game can be when played properly.

  • 178 LooneyToon41 // May 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    Stability. Hmm interesting. I don’t think anyone can really argue against the ideal of stability, but what does it really mean?
    In any walk of life, striving for continuous improvement within a stable environment, is seen as the best way forward for longterm success, and this i do believe in.
    The strategic and financial blueprint we have has generally been regarded as ‘the way forward’ for all Premiership clubs(Chelski and ManCity apart), and i for one still believe in it, but….
    where has it gone wrong?
    Ultimately, it’s all about people.
    Sir Alex once said, ‘The table never lies!’ so are we 5th or 13th (or 10th to 17th for that matter).
    Sir Alex also buys Jones,Smalling,Zaha etc all young English talent, yet O’Neil gets the sack when paying over the odds for English players.
    I also think back to Arsenal greats like Henry,Bergkamp,Overmars,Pires… all class players who ALL were rubbish in their first season.
    I do have major doubts about Pardew, but to throwaway the ideal of stability is just bonkers. It has a place, a value… so long as you have the right people.

  • 179 Rainrix // May 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    G 168… He was describing essien on ched Evans there who coincidentally is now in prison on a rape charge.

  • 180 toonLYF // May 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    Beattie25…

    why you gotta’ act like some omnipotent force on the previous article?

    re: M’Biwa.

    “The boy is the future at CB. You’ll see, you’ll all see!”

    I think I and most others know all about the quality of this lad, he’s hardly a well kept secret, he’s been regarded as one of the best young CB’s in Europe for a few years now.

  • 181 catchy in norway // May 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    MrMojoRisin76

    so whats your excuse for the begining of the season?

    aug sept oct nov dec jan,, this hasnt just happend,, its been the whole season

    before you even say injuries,,

    please check your facts,, the teams fielded where good enough, reading has taken 4 points of us and they have been relegated

  • 182 discrepancia // May 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Jail,
    i can say you from now he will start the new campaign..
    it’s just as simple as fact ..we are already safe… pardews spoke after qpr as a man who stays and plans the future

  • 183 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    mag.no

    Thanks, i just had seen results but never much other than the odd highlight of his team. I didn’t know the expectations and quality of his team. So has he had the strongest team in the league then since he took the job?

    mojo

    I can’t see pardew ever letting them off the leash for a full game. But i hope you’re right, i’d rather be proven wrong and have a good team under any man than be right and stuck with poor displays all the time.

  • 184 ONLINE GUY // May 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Watched the game v QPR again ..our players seem angst ridden ..Seems like a real chore to our new lads that they have to battle for every ball and you don’t get much time on it in the prem ..so a little bit of a culture shock for them that they are slowly coming to terms with …Thing is when you are in the throes of a relegation battle you can’t relax and play your own game ..The French lads will be better for it next season ..they have battled it out at the rough end of the table ..all good experience I say.

    No good for our nerves though eh ?

  • 185 sparky2010 // May 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Give pardew a chance, we have been decimated by injuries this season. We need stability at our great club. The board made a huge mistake by not strengthening the squad in the summer and I don’t think they will make that mistake this time around. Stability..

  • 186 frost-nufc // May 13, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Transfer Sage;

    Molde have sold their best defender Forren to Soton and their best striker to China for top money ( in Norway) but have not bought ready made replacements.

    The other top teams have been buying instead of selling therfore closing the gap.

    Losss of form to remaining star players.

    My own thoughts about last year: The homecoming of a legend at just the right time. It was bound to be a huge boost for players and the club espesially when other top teams was in transition last year.

  • 187 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    Managers are like women in a bar.

    We tend to think we can get the most beautiful one (Mourinho) but in truth have no chance,

    We’ve had our fair share of munters in the past (Souness, Dalgleish, FatSam etc…) so know what level we can achieve at the end of the night.

    Currently we are chatting up another dog (Pardew) but we’ve got the beer goggles on and will only regret it in the morning if we go through with it. She seems a bit of alright but in reality is a sweaty gump.

    Whilst we’re chatting up this swamp donkey (Pardew) our memories return to the beautiful relationships we’ve had before. The girl that left us because she couldn’t take being in a relationship no more (Keegan), the stunning girl with a big heart who we dumped because we thought we could do better (Robson) and that average girl who gave us stability in the relationship but we always knew it wouldn’t last long (Hughton).

    We go to the toilet, wash our face and look into the mirror and in a moment of sobriety we ask ourselves, do we really want to embark on another fling with this turd goblin (Pardew)? What do we really want?

    Well ill tell you what I want. I want an above average girl who brings the best out of me. Someone who I feel lucky to have. Someone who people think ‘why is she with him?’, a girl that my family would love to meet.

    I don’t want anymore one night stands, I want a girl for life. I don’t want some bed hopping troll that wants to be with me because she’s desperate and will say all the things I want to hear because she needs me (Pardew) and I don’t want a hot girl who’ll only use me if I’m the best of a bad bunch. I want a girl to settle down with and can help me change the world.

    Is that girl in the nightclub? I don’t know, but I’m going to have a look and if she isn’t here, I’ll come back tomorrow because I’m 100% sure that I’m going to meet her soon.

    If I have to go through a few more broken relationships ill do that until I find the one.

    But no more scum dwelling hippos (Pardew) because if that girl is out there and sees me knecking this putrid piece of baboon vomit (Pardew) think might miss my chance at happiness.

  • 188 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    frost

    thanks

    so how do you rate him as a manager? obviously he will make some mistakes, he is new, but does he look to do things in the right way?

  • 189 Laurent Robert 32 // May 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Mojo, their confidence is shot because the manager is laying psychological oppression on them daily with his excuses of tiredness, bad luck, injuries. Other teams get all of these, he’s no different.

    Playing people out of position, and the lack of attacking or ball retention philosophy is awful.

    He’s playing players in very poor form, yet before Tiote got back Anita had a few games which he was man of the match when the team was playing poorly, yet he is instantly dropped.

    That alone is shocking for confidence.

    He speaks to press about the rest of his players not being good enough???

    If he’s spending most days with them ‘learning’ how to defend attacks he’s not letting them practice the basics of football, pass and move.

    Ironically, if you can pass and move to a high level, you are indeed defending, but he genuinely doesn’t know how to coach that, just his 80′s direct football.

  • 190 discrepancia // May 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    sparky
    you have a stability when you have a manager with good overall football knowledge and abilities.
    it wasn’t the injures or summer transfer, it was such things like hoofball, jones over marveaux and arfa , perch over anita and cisse winger – i guess it’s more than strange..it is stupid

  • 191 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    G

    Yeah. He did say that.

    Belter from the lma manager of the year.

  • 192 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Markaccus

    Would you apologise for calling me a piece of shit even though you had a right to?

  • 193 Beattie25 // May 13, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    toonlyf

    If vocalisation came with the words we wrote you’d have heard me say those words like some cheesy bad guy from a cheesy movie as he gets his comeuppance.

    I guess that didn’t come accross.

  • 194 Mag.no // May 13, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Together with Rosenborg, Molde and Solskjaer has had the biggest transfer budget and the best squad. When Solskjaer said “no thanks” to the Villa job he got even more money to spend. What’s going on in Molde right now is hard to analyse, but something is clearly wrong. Frost mentioned the sale of Forren to Southampton but he should be able to “counter” that sale in some way. This is his big test. If he can turn Molde around now he proves him self as a good manager. Before that happens it would be a gamble. Could go either way in my humble opinion.

  • 195 G // May 13, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    @ 179 – You couldn’t make it up could you. lol

  • 196 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    beattie

    analogy of the day?

    a little sexist and possibly offensive to ugly women to get compared to pardew but it stands

  • 197 catchy in norway // May 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    ibiza

    you said you felt the club needed someone to oversee the change of direction,, to me that is you saying the club wasnt going anywhere and you wernt happy with CH

    also the superstar wages is my term, but,, i think in the prem, we pay crazy wages for everything, most do not warrent there salary
    moyes was on 7 million a year at everton, why? ( not expecting an answer)
    but in europe, i think you can find a good manager for less than pardew is getting right now,
    and be more of a manager than pardew will ever be

  • 198 Transfer Sage // May 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    mag.no

    thanks, nice to see some local knowledge

    i like the idea of ole just not sure how ready he is

  • 199 MrMojoRisin76 // May 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    Catchy
    “so whats your excuse for the begining of the season?”
    Lack of investment in the summer,plain and simple.If you look at the team and bench from the Chelsea game at home after we signed the players in January it is much stronger and it’s missing Tiote and Benny.If we had had this in the summer we wouldn’t be in this position imo.And before you respond saying we were still rubbish after we signed the players i think it’s because we put these players in the team because we were desperate and we had to,it worked,just,but we had to pay the price,ie Sunderland and Liverpool.These players are going to be great additions to the squad when they can speak English and have a have a full pre-season.If you look at the league table without considering all the facts you could say he deserves the boot,so if Ashley doesn’t sack him are the Anti-Pardew fans prepared to admit that he,MA,is admitting it was mostly his fault for not adding to the squad in the summer?,i think he already has judging by the activity in January.

  • 200 sparky2010 // May 13, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    discrpancia

    I agree to be honest I thought and still do think Jonas should be bye bye amigo. why pardew picked him over anita I dnt know. I just hope pardew has learned this year from his mistakes cause he has made them and sorts it out for next year. If im totally honest I would love the board to sack him – but only if they bring in a top top manager for once!! My only call for keeping him till next season is that they prob wont replace him for a top top manager if they do sack him. NUFC is a massive sleeping giant. we have the stadium, the fans, the money, all we need for the first time in years is a proper top manager.

  • 201 frost-nufc // May 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Transfer:

    I agree with Mag.no. The big test is now when they are struggling. In the last couple of weeks he has made headlines for the wrong reasons. Having some outbursts which tells us he feels the pressure.

    But I think he eventually willl get stronger by this. Being under Fergies wing for so many years will do him a world of good.

  • 202 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 13, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Catchy…Just because I didn’t think we were going places under Hoots, doesn’t mean i was unhappy with him at all. He did excellent at getting us out of the championship and did fairly well to have us mid-table when everyone and their mother had us down as relegation fodder.

    Can’t really comment anymore on that topic anymore, as it would be theoretical.

    No one is English football warrants the amount they get paid :)

    discrepancia…I see. If there was such an issue with players being unhappy with Pardew and his tactics I would certainly expect that to have filtered up to Ashley one way or another. If it was just one player probably not.

  • 203 skipwallsend1977 // May 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Areet all?
    Read this blog for years but very rarely post but feel like I know most of you.
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but if we get beat off Arsenal, and Wigan beat them, and Villa next week, we could still go down.

  • 204 rfcready // May 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    My Questions are these. Who makes the decision on a new manager? Who made the choice of the last manager? Same people ? if so what’s the chance we get another Pardew? and are no better off. OK say Pardew gets the chop. Which top manager will want to come to Newcastle In my opinion I would like to see a new manager with more tactical and motivational skills than we have at the moment. But then again it depends on which players we can attract to Team over the summer, we need to strengthen the squad for sure at the back and we need help up front but this is stuff we know already.

  • 205 skipwallsend1977 // May 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    There’s 6 points and only ONE goal difference between us and Wigan.

  • 206 martoon // May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    MrMojoRisin76 @169 – I said a similar thing a few blogs ago – I think we’ll see the real Newcastle against Arsenal – we might get beat but the football will be much improved.
    Munster I’m afraid I’m on the fence with Ibiza & Hull enjoying the Ginger Beer. I think what Beattie said a few posts ago is true I’m worried we will sack Pardew and bring in a new manager no better such as Curbishley, JFK etc. I’m not even convinced Benitez is an upgrade – he had some strange ideas at Liverpool – playing Gerrard on the right etc.

  • 207 DokToon // May 13, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    beattie @ 187….
    that was brillaint, great post…

  • 208 chuck // May 13, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    How anyone can equate having a manager, who is possibly one of the worst in the game, with stability, that’s just nonsense!

  • 209 voodoo85 // May 13, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    This season has been so frustrating in comparison to what many of us believed to be the teams potential back in August.

    Mistakes have been made by many, some of the managers decisions have left me bewildered, the hierarchy missed a chance to strengthen in the summer and players have missed big chunks of the season. Our captain and probably best defender missed a few months after Christmas, our 2nd best defender (Taylor) was missing early on. I believe we have one of the best goalies in the league and he has missed parts of the season along with 2 of our most creative players in Cabaye and Ben Arfa.

    We sold Demba Ba in January due to a contract clause and failed to replace him (another mistake) and the season as a whole has been a write off. But even more frustrating were the times during the Freddy Shepherd era when managers would come and go, sell off the players they didn’t want and spend more on building a new team only for it not to work out and rinse and repeat.

    My view as a fan of Newcastle United is to have Pardew remain for another season but with top 8 as minimum target. No Europa league next season to hinder us, learn from mistakes in transfer window etc and push on again.

  • 210 remember69 // May 13, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    Ed,
    Great article – at last someone is speaking with a cool head and an objective view. Ashley is no fool, and not likely to lose his millions on a manager who is a fool either.
    I HAVE to believe that someone who has made billions in business is smart enough to bring success to the club.
    YES, mistakes have been made, YES, we have had a crappy year but now is the time to evaluate where the issues lie and correct them for the upcoming season.

    It is our job as supporters to support the club and I personally feel positive about the coming year.

    I do not expect AP to get all the players he wants (this is not a toy store, good players have to be available and we’ll have to fight demand) but I’m sure all effort will be made to strengthen, especially up front.

  • 211 Jarra // May 13, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Well well well, that was just horrible I really am worn out emotionally never have I watched Newcastle united without passion in my eyes. Mr Pardew you win you have worn me out, with your negative tactics your constant interviews where the next one is telling us you didn’t mean your boss under achieved or that you were joking about the Arsenal score. If you were in a job where honour and integrity did count then you would resign, you would say you know something I got it wrong and I think the club can do better than me. You know something Mr Pardew so do I, much better.

  • 212 mark -ee- j-a-y // May 13, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    Beattie25 @187

    that is the best thing i have ever read lol. so true

    btw IS NOT A PARDEW SUPPORTER

  • 213 mark -ee- j-a-y // May 13, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    * mark-ee-j-a-y IS NOT A PARDEW SUPPORTER

  • 214 John PK // May 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Very good article Ed




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