What’s This About Newcastle’s Mystical Faith In Stability?


Since Kevin Keegan left in January of 1997, there have been 11 managers at Newcastle in those 16 years, and we’ve won nowt.

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Alan Pardew – give him a chance

Kenny Dalglish, Ruud Gullit, Bobby Robson, Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Sam Allardyce, Kevin Keegan, Joe Kinnear, Alan Shearer, Chris Hughton and Alan Pardew have all been in charge at Newcastle in that order, and since Mike Ashley arrived six years ago we’ve had six managers.

And for the very time in that period a manager is not being sacked for having had a bad Premier League season, although in the Europa League we did quite well to reach the quarter finals and almost made it to the final four.

And if David Moyes had joined Newcastle in 2002 instead of Everton , he would have been fired in 2004, when Everton finished tied for 3rd bottom but escaped the drop by having a better goal difference than Leicester – -12 to -17. And David didn’t have a European campaign of 14 games to negotiate that season either.

In that summer of 2004 we fired Bobby Robson because he only finished in 5th place in the league and didn’t get us to the UEFA Cup Final – we were knocked out by Marseilles in the semi-final – it wasn’t good enough.

After putting the article out this morning saying that Alan Pardew’s job is safe we’ve received a number of comments and emails that basically say it’s dangerous to have a mystical or blind faith in stability, and ignore the results.

What blind faith?

What stability?

In the past we’ve fired managers during the season – after they had already brought in players they wanted in the previous summer, and guess what – they were not the players the new manager wanted.

Only Joe Kinnear and Alan Shearer were not fired during a season – and they are special cases with Joe getting heart problems in February of 2009, and Alan having a short contract through the end of the 2008-2009 season.

So it’s a bit of an over-reaction to say Newcastle have a blind faith in stability – despite our poor results.,

We’ve done just hopeless in changing our managers all the time – so give Alan Pardew a chance to turn it around next season – he may even do just that.

And we hope he does turn it around – because that will be great for the club – and that’s what we want.

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214 comments so far

  • Rotonda heights

    May 13, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Comment #1

    From TOTT

    Subject: An interesting perspective from Laudrup last night

    When asked about the toll a season in Europe takes on clubs with smaller squads.

    “I do not believe players get tired. It’s a mental issue, and you need to manage the situation so that players get in the right mindset for each different type of competition”

    He was referring to his small Getafe squad who played something like 58 games in one season, when they were doing well in cup competitions.

    Basically, he’s saying that Pardew is an excuse merchant, and by using that excuse to avoid taking the responsibility for poor performances, he is also failing to manage the situation properly. He’s actively encouraging the players mindset to be one of being tired, just to save his own slippery skin.

    Like I’ve said before, there’s no top manager ever uses that as an excuse.

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  • roshan MAGPIE

    May 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #2

    I would rather have another manager than pardew and his dumb long ball football and wasting the talents in the bench

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 13, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Comment #3

    Ibiza, Repost
    You have to have a certain number of homegrown players, however they don’t have to be British. Krul is homegrown. If Satko makes the grade he will be, in 3 years Mbabu will be homegrown, Vukic is homegrown. It just means you have to have trained in England for 3 years prior to being 22 at the start of a season.

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  • Unbelievable Tekkers

    May 13, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Comment #4

    Half of me thinks to stick with pardew because as you say the cub have had no stability over the last few years and it has got us nothing but then the the other half of me thinks pardew is an idiot and needs to go.

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  • Dannyo

    May 13, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #5

    Hardly mystical Ed.
    It’s our attempt at trying something new.
    Throw all the crap you want at Pardew, but a positive and a negative doesn’t make two negatives.
    He’s earned a crack, like him or not. We all have opinions to prove either way imo.
    In the end though, it’s up to MA what stability is atm.

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  • Newcastle Brown Alien

    May 13, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #6

    I actually agree with stability, Let’s get a new manager and keep him there for a while

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  • Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand

    May 13, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Comment #7

    Rotonda…That may well be true, but shall we see how Laudrup actually manages to deal with it first?

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    May 13, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Comment #8

    Rotonda -1 . Perfect example that isn’t it.

    Laudrup was a fantastic player and is used to having high levels of expectation placed upon him which he therefore carries into management.

    Pardew has never had any of that, EVER.

    My insides are cringing at the thought of Pardew staying even a couple of days after the Arsenal game.

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  • Dannyo

    May 13, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #9

    @Rotonda
    It’s a good choice of words, but as Ibiza says, let’s see it in the works first.

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  • Phatoon

    May 13, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Comment #10

    Indian,

    (Not including Simpson and Harper as they’re off..)

    Krul,
    Elliot,
    Williamson,
    S Taylor,
    Tavernier,
    Ferguson,
    Perch,
    Gosling,
    Sh Ameobi,
    Inman,
    Dummett (if he gets a new contract),
    Newton (if he gets a new contract),

    Would all count as Home-grown in the 25 man squad limit. If we included them that is (eg Inman etc)

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    May 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #11

    He’s already made a start… he’s won a trophy.

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  • HBA Must Stay

    May 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #12

    Sick of hearing the mans excuses re Europa League.
    He played the younguns for best part of it, how can that affect the first teams form.

    Juan Mata 60+ games in the last year…….
    Does he look exhausted?

    Pardews excuses are shameful and to cover up his inability to change tactics during a game, not to mention his inability to get the tactics right in the first place.

    He has to go. I dont want hiom anywhere near my club nest season. He’s a liability! and a clueless Liability at that.

    Stability is bollocks, so if he has us in same postion next year, do we say. ‘we survived, we didnt go down and we need stability’ bulls.

    Mike Ashley backed him in January and he prceeded to make mistake after mistake, square pegs in round holes and team slection has been abysmal.

    I mean yesterday, take off our biggest threat to them when elliott gets sent off ? We struggled for an outlet for best part of yesterday and he took his only decent outlet off!! Prat

    Pardew out for me, sick of stability bull and people saying im half anf half….decisive action required!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    Comment #13

    Phatoon,
    So does Vukic

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  • Phatoon

    May 13, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #14

    @Lilongwe

    He will not count as over 21, so did not include him.

    The players I’ve put would all count to the 25 man squad.

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  • WWYCD

    May 13, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    Comment #15

    Ibiza/Dannyo
    Laudrup has had a good first season with Swansea so they will do fantastically in the EL and equally as well in the PL….no? 😉

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  • Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand

    May 13, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #16

    Lilongwe…Cheers 🙂

    Laurent…I’m not saying he’s a bad manager, clearly that’s not the case. Just comments about juggling EL

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #17

    Phatoon,
    Yeah, your right, he just misses the cut by a month for next season.

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  • Owldman

    May 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #18

    I believe if we go for a new manager it will probably be someone who wont cost us compensation the only one who fits that criteria is Benitez who has publicly stated that he is looking for another managers job preferably in this country.but I wont hold my breath on this one , how about Zola or Poyet.both seem to be doing well on small budgets they might be ready to step up to a bigger challenge both a success as players with winning mentality , something Pardew lacks.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand

    May 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #19

    Yo…That sounds familiar….hmmmm…but he did win a trophy 🙂

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #20

    rotonda

    Barry mcguigan, ex boxer and now trainer, said the hardest thing in boxing is the 6+ hours intense work a day for months leading up to a fight then the fight itself.

    He said after a few days off you were more than physically recovered enough (unless injured from taking a beating) and it was more he needed time off to recover mentally. Putting so much intensity and focus into something really had you feel tired when you weren’t and struggle with concentration so always had a few weeks/month off after a fight.

    Thats the issue with us, if the players are tired from thursday, make friday/saturday training more tactical and less physically demanding.

    I do think europa league hurts your preparation time, especially for us who seem to work so much on stopping teams so have to be different each game.

    Swansea work on their own system, keeping the ball, creating chances and play the same most weeks…just tweak how much they attack/defend….this is much more suited to more games.

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Comment #21

    HBA must stay

    I always find it interesting reading those sort of comments about players resting.

    If you look at teams they never rest big players…van persie rarely rests, suarez rarely rests, gerard in his prime never did etc etc….

    Yet these seem to manage to perform to a great level still.

    The annoying this is we changed about 8 a week for europa league anyway during the group stages and were still useless in the league.

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  • Beattie25

    May 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #22

    Stability is only worth something if it equates to success.

    What people are actually saying is we were too quick to sack Dalgleish, Gullit, Souness, Roeder, and FatSam?!

    I thought they were good sackings and these managers should have never been given the jobs in the first place. Much like Pardew.

    What is the point in having stability if it never moves you forward.

    Keeping Pardew is accepting mediocrity, stabilising the club for the short term and creating a team that isn’t good enough to challenge for silverware and probably too good to get relegated.

    We as fans used to aspire to bigger and better and yes we paid for that in full but that doesn’t mean we deserve this and that doesn’t mean we should stick by Alan Pardew, statistically the worst manager we’ve had in the PL over the course of a full season, statistically the 2nd worst manager we’ve had in the PL ever and statistically the 3rd worst manager in our history.

    If that’s what we are offered I will say no thank you and wait until we can start to be the nufc we always dreamed we could be.

    This club is a fcuking joke and what’s worse than the cockneys in charge brining us down is the fans acceptance of that.

    I am ashamed of my club at times but you fans hoping to keep Pardew in the name of stability shame me more than anything Ashley, Llambias and Pardew could ever do.

    We are nothing better than dogs. Blind loyalty to those on charge hoping they don’t beat us down anymore.

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  • Markaccus

    May 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #23

    Dear oh dear… lots of dummies being spat and toys being chucked out of prams here today.

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  • WWYCD

    May 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #24

    Ibiza
    True we will see what he does next season though and see what players they get or lose

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  • martoon

    May 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Comment #25

    Just suppose we do sack Pardew and get a new manager – you are all assuming that this will be a magic cure and we will start playing wonderful football and finish in the top 6. BUT what happens if the new manager doesn’t work and we are fighting relgation next season – how long before you turn against him?

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 13, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Comment #26

    wwycd

    We will have to see with swansea.

    But europa league never effected teams like stoke, spurs, chelsea….so why should it totally cripple us.

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  • Le Belfast 007

    May 13, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Comment #27

    I’m all for stability with the right man. This season has shown that Pardew ain’t the right man in my opinion.

    He’s basically just fat Sam with fancy words & better excuses.

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  • HullMag6

    May 13, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Comment #28

    Yay, I’m baaaaack.

    Ive been swinging back and forth whether to sack or not to sack.

    I’d stick with him but would Rene Girard work alongside Carver as two assistant managers?

    Just a thought……

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  • Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand

    May 13, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    Comment #29

    Anyway, on thread…

    Ed…I think most like the idea of stability with a manager. I just think this season has been too much for most to stomach and they simply don’t believe that Pardew can evolve. They have lost faith.

    My feeling is that I struggle to judge him solely on this season and that he should be given another chance to show whether he has learned, as quite frankly, I don’t think it fair to expect him to do so during a relegation battle, which we’ve been in since the new players arrived in January.

    Saying all of that, if a better and new manager were to be appointed, i’d see it as progress, not knee jerk reactions.

    I get peoples concerns that if Pardew is given more time and is failing a few months in, what options would we have? Very reasonable point.

    Long term, I like the idea of strengthening Pardews team. Ideally, that would include a young, fresh thinking, up and coming guy, who, if needed, could step in as manager if Pardew was to leave at some point.

    Ashley needs to instill some philosophy to the club, managers need to keep that going. People point to Swansea, well it was their chairman that has made it possible. You may get lucky with managers along the way, but if you want to implement a long term plan there is only one person who can really make that happen.

    Busy summer for Ashley.

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  • WWYCD

    May 13, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #30

    Sage
    Because we are sh**e and believed our own hype plus we went backwards as a squad last summer

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  • Consett Mag

    May 13, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #31

    By having some brilliant luck with injuries and having Ba and Cisse getting important goals last season, we managed to finish far higher than our team really deserved – unless anyone thinks we had a better team than Liverpool or Chelsea.

    This season has many reasons for the abject failure to even keep us safe from the drop until the penultimate game.

    We are playing a non-attractive long-ball system without the players to do this, and we’ve seen NO TACTICAL moments of brilliance, unless you feel defending mega deep and having no creative outlet counts.

    Sorry, but stability must be taken into account – but also should be weighing up if a fine young manager – Poyet and the like would like the challenge of steering a financially sound club to achieve something.

    My view is to sack Pardew as soon as possible. He’s no David Moyes.

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #32

    martoon

    That’s where we need Carr (or somebody with knowledge of the game) to have scouted around europe/england and looked for a manager who he thinks would work with our players and have a style he could adapt to be successful in the prem league.

    If he does this, the manager comes in and we struggle it depends on why.

    If we look to be going in the right direction but making mistakes as it’s new to him and the players are taking time to adapt then i can deal with that for a season at the very least.

    IF we are playing a style totally alien to the side and nothing much changes then i will be much less patient, but probably let him finish the season. (unless we are losing ground at the bottom)

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  • Beattie25

    May 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #33

    Ibiza

    The one thing I don’t understand is why people are asking for time to allow Pardew to see what he has learned.

    He’s been a manager for over a decade. Surely he should have learned the basics by now?

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  • barkel

    May 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #34

    The Pardew debate is going to go on for a while! We’ve had some terrible runs this year, biggest losing streak, we equaled our worst ever away wins record poor tactics from not knowing where to play our squad players when we picked up key injuries, we even had raylor getting injured while he was out injured but depending on results next sunday we could finish the league in 10th which apart from last season would be higher than average for us over the past 5/6 seasons so it’s not all that bad. I know with the players we have at the club we should be higher in the league or winning a cup but IF, and it’s a big if, we finished 10th after a “disastrous” season have we not got a good base to kick on from?

    I’m torn between keeping him and sacking him, every other day i think he hasn’t got a clue and get angry at what he says in the press but possibly with a good pre season, getting in 2/3 first team players and a small bit of luck (like we had last season) we could be pushing for top 5 again with AP.

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  • Markaccus

    May 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Comment #35

    Martoon….. that is the nature of football fans in general unfortunately. Im not sure benitez would do wonders at the toon. But IF he came i would give him a chance ( more than 2 full seasons thats for sure) to get us playing his brand of football with his favoured personell. These things take time when you dont spen huge amounts on superstars. I dont think many fans are willing to give a manager that amount of leeway these days.

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  • Indian Magpie

    May 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Comment #36

    TS

    What do you make of Pardew’s situation. Hope he sacked and sent to jial for what he has done.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand

    May 13, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Comment #37

    Beattie….Probably because we’re idiots 🙂

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  • Le Belfast 007

    May 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Comment #38

    Poyet would be a good option like. Zola’s done really well at Watford too. Really Impressed with the way he’s got Troy Deeney playing for Watford this season.

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Comment #39

    wwycd

    yeh but then surely the manager carries the can for that (except going backward as a squad)

    he has had more than enough to get us further up the league in my eyes, and he failed to come up with an alternative system when last years system stopped working.

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  • Beattie25

    May 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Comment #40

    If any of the top 7 had bad injuries this season would they have been close to relegation?

    I think we are the best outside the top 7 by a considerable distance yet we have relied on other results to maintain our top flight status.

    Indefensible yet people find a way to excuse the manager.

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