Since Kevin Keegan left in January of 1997, there have been 11 managers at Newcastle in those 16 years, and we’ve won nowt.
Alan Pardew – give him a chance
Kenny Dalglish, Ruud Gullit, Bobby Robson, Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Sam Allardyce, Kevin Keegan, Joe Kinnear, Alan Shearer, Chris Hughton and Alan Pardew have all been in charge at Newcastle in that order, and since Mike Ashley arrived six years ago we’ve had six managers.
And for the very time in that period a manager is not being sacked for having had a bad Premier League season, although in the Europa League we did quite well to reach the quarter finals and almost made it to the final four.
And if David Moyes had joined Newcastle in 2002 instead of Everton , he would have been fired in 2004, when Everton finished tied for 3rd bottom but escaped the drop by having a better goal difference than Leicester – -12 to -17. And David didn’t have a European campaign of 14 games to negotiate that season either.
In that summer of 2004 we fired Bobby Robson because he only finished in 5th place in the league and didn’t get us to the UEFA Cup Final – we were knocked out by Marseilles in the semi-final – it wasn’t good enough.
After putting the article out this morning saying that Alan Pardew’s job is safe we’ve received a number of comments and emails that basically say it’s dangerous to have a mystical or blind faith in stability, and ignore the results.
What blind faith?
What stability?
In the past we’ve fired managers during the season – after they had already brought in players they wanted in the previous summer, and guess what – they were not the players the new manager wanted.
Only Joe Kinnear and Alan Shearer were not fired during a season – and they are special cases with Joe getting heart problems in February of 2009, and Alan having a short contract through the end of the 2008-2009 season.
So it’s a bit of an over-reaction to say Newcastle have a blind faith in stability – despite our poor results.,
We’ve done just hopeless in changing our managers all the time – so give Alan Pardew a chance to turn it around next season – he may even do just that.
And we hope he does turn it around – because that will be great for the club – and that’s what we want.
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214 comments so far
sparky55
May 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Comment #41I’d always put stability in the squad ahead of stability in a clueless manager. The squad will break itself up purely because Pardew is staying and the footballers in the team don’t want to play for pardew any more so there will a be significant change in playing personnel over the summer.
I’d vote for keeping this great squad together and changing the manager as opposed to the squad to be broken up and re-shaped yet again and have stability in a clueless wonder managing the club
low fell mag
May 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM
Comment #42If we stick with Pardew i think we will end up with Big Andy coming back home. I dont know if thats what we need or not, great in some ways ,someways i dont (more for off the field antics).
I know a few people on here dont like Carrol (not for the person he is ,but more as to the style of football we would end up playing)
So do we want stability with Pardew and the returning of big Andy and hoof the ball or do we go for Benitses ,who im sure would like a crack at the job.Me for one its a hard one.
Rainrix
May 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM
Comment #43Stability in football is a rarity nowadays. Its a results driven business whether thats right or not. It’d be nice stability but its not a guarantee for success either. Its pointless if the right man isn’t in charge.
When he was brought in arguably the team suited pardews style with a majority english core with the big man up top. Now we have a more technical team and pardew really isnt the right man to get the best out of it. We can progress as a football club by sacking pardew debatably more so than if we kept him.
Beattie25
May 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM
Comment #44Ibiza
I wouldn’t say idiots.
Perhaps just gluttons for punishment.
Indian Magpie
May 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM
Comment #45If we stick with Pardew, then we can expect a similar season.
If you are okay with that, then fine
Transfer Sage
May 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM
Comment #46indian
No hard feelings with pardew, he just isn’t very good. He does what a lot of people do when they their biggest job and try to defend themselves and hang in there.
He will want to make sure that even if sacked people don’t blame him as it gives him more of a chance of another decent job…can’t blame a man for trying to keep himself in a decent job,.
WWYCD
May 13, 2013 at 12:54 PM
Comment #47Sage
True but none of the players have played near the levels the are capable off when they have been available either
Am not sure on Pards but the players have been muck as well shouldn’t they shoulder some blame?
Transfer Sage
May 13, 2013 at 12:55 PM
Comment #48rainrix
for me there is two ways to success (of relative success anyway)
1. stacks of money, get a manager as often as you want and give him as much money as he wants to get 3/4 top players a summer (CHELSEA)
or
2. set the goal of a certain style, sign players who fit this and appoint managers who work in that way, means even if you need to change the manager the new one will be fairly happy with the squad and only need to tweak certain things. (SWANSEA)
Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand
May 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Comment #49Beattie…Well lets not split hairs 😉
I think for most people who would be labelled “pro pardew”, it’s not please lets keep him, but replace him with an actual better manager, if not keep him.
Do I think he’s better than we’ve done this year? Probably, yes.
Do I think he’s a top 6 manager, like our position indicated last season? Probably not.
Truth is, he’s a middle of the road manager, who can do a job for now. If and as and when we get a better manager, fantastic, but that’s down to Ashley.
Indian Magpie
May 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM
Comment #50There are 2 ways to finding correct people for the job
Chelsea – trial and error
NUFC – Error and error and more errors
Transfer Sage
May 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM
Comment #51wwycd
The players have to take some blame too, no doubt about it for me.
Yes pardew can set them up badly, make them too rigid for a fluent passing game and give them training which doesn’t push them to improve.
But there have been countless times players have misplaced a basic 10 yard pass and that’s nothing the manager can do, cisse being offside 10 times a game is his fault, poor corner delivery (partly tactical but the balls in are poor often too)….the players have to carry the can as well.
Unfortunately for Pardew the manager has to overcome these problems and that’s his problem.
Beattie25
May 13, 2013 at 12:59 PM
Comment #52Lets be honest we had many discussions last season about the style we used to get to 5th.
Many said it didn’t matter as its a results business and that whilst it wasn’t good football, it got us high in the table and that you hoped there would be improvements on the pitch.
A year later the football has gone backwards, the team has gone backwards, the results have gone backwards and the league position has suffered the same fate.
Blame injuries all you want but that doesn’t affect the evolution of footballing style and philosophy.
Now thinking ahead to the next 7 years. Results and league places are never guaranteed. Not with Pardew or a new manager, but on thing almost guaranteed is the quality of football with Pardew. That’s how he has always been and always will be. A leopard cannot change its spots.
Can you really say that you’re happy with that style despite the fact it doesn’t guarantee anything in football?
I’d rather play good football and leave results to fate than have to stomach another season of the most basic style I have ever witnessed in all my years supporting nufc.
Pardew has said that he would look to build a team based on ball retention and fluid attacking play. He has had all the tools yet failed to deliver even a glimpse of that evolution.
How can a man fly a plane without sitting in the cockpit before?
He doesn’t have a clue how to, has never shown he can and IMO never will.
No Plain Saylor
May 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM
Comment #53those of you saying we’ll see how laudrup gets on, sorry your acting like his comments last night were in refence to the future. He was talking about previous experience, these were not wild asumptions that Swansea would manage but facts that getafe did manage, with a very small squad, 58 games in one season. So he has and will again manage this fixture congestion, all the best managers do, and are glad to compete in europe, pardew just complains and yaps, and sees it as a burden. thank go we aren’t in europe.
Ibiza,
you dont have to judge pardew on this season, judge him on his entire career, when things got bad at any club he never could fix them, worst losing streak with west ham and us, our worst defeat to sunderland since 1979, worst defeat at home since 1922, most goals conceded in league, least away wins since 1960, awful goal difference, in his whole career i’ve nevr seen him once hold his hands up and say I GOT IT WRONG, not one game, the deflection of blame boils my piss, the diarrhea that dribbles out of his mouth in interviews, phew, thank god we aren’t in europe, dont care if we are hammered by arsenal. He couldn’t guarantee we wouldn’t be in another relegation battle next season and then he said that limp performance yesterday ‘would have critics crying in their beer’. No you d1pshit but a 5-0 win, maybe.
He parks the bus the moment we take the lead, doesn’t matter if we are only 5 minutes into the game. The best teams believe in themselves and always go for more, yeah they get caught out sometimes but a lot less than we get caught out sitting deep and hoofin it clear, inviting pressure.
He cannot, has not and will never learn, after all he is a man who ‘prides himself on tactical knoweldge’ and ‘is a winner’. He is the most egotistical, stubborn, self obbssessed, deluded freak I’ve ever heard, and the very thoguth of him being here next season makes my balls jump up into my stomach.
Our top drawer players don’t deserve his special brand of poo, and look bang ordinary being forced to play it. They will leave, and they should. Maybe not this summer, but if Pardew gets all of next season I wouldn’t expect higher than 12th. If Rafa, Blanc or Solsjkaer got next season I wouldn’t expect lower than 8th.
And if one more person compares Pardew to Moyes or Fergie I’ll crack up. Moyes inherited a crap team playing crap football and a team expected to do poorly. He had done well at preston, had the right attitude, brought the club on tremendously, even thought they had one poor finish, improvements could be seen, also he was a young manager, Pardew has been managing for 12/ 13 years.. He is and always was a sh1t.
HullMag6
May 13, 2013 at 1:02 PM
Comment #54Beattie one difference between us and most of the top 7 – strength in depth which MA needs to address regardless of the management issue. Once certain key players lose form or get injured we haven’t the quality within the squad to challenge or cover key positions and tactical rubbish as well as playing people out of position.
Korean Magpie
May 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM
Comment #55Pardew’s dumb so he still thinks that we really want him here..so for him to really get the idea…let’s sing Please leave Pardew for the remaining 10 minutes against Arsenal
Beattie25
May 13, 2013 at 1:04 PM
Comment #56Ibiza
I think the only difference between us is patience.
I won’t wait for an upgrade just because I can wait. Ill actively voice my disapproval until we get what we deserve.
I guess I can’t comprehend how people can sit on it and watch this happen whilst I’m sure many cant understand why I’m so impatient.
People think I hate Pardew and that I blame him for everything (not you of course) which isn’t true.
He is a decent manager and will forever be a man that rides the cusp of lower PL and higher championship level.
I Just want better for the club and I want it now.
Transfer Sage
May 13, 2013 at 1:06 PM
Comment #57No plain saylor
Lets see how laudrup does with Europa and prem league though.
Prem league is much faster than the Spanish league so see how he does with Swansea.
I think he will do well but it’s a case of wait and see
boater
May 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM
Comment #58The sub-literate, narcissistic mob types who spend match day demonising the manager, club, players and other bloggers; and the rest of the time populating these boards with the kind of bile and vitriol you’d see on a Daily Mail comments board on Jimmy Saville – all seem to want Pardew out. 1000 idiots who are incapable of dispassionate reasoning, and shout the same message doesn’t make it any more true. I almost want him to be given next season in the hope that it will expunge these cretins as ‘supporters’ of the club.
DokToon
May 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM
Comment #59gmorning all from over here,
thank st pardew that he, and he alone, saved NUFC from relegation… if it wasnt for the genius of him, the majetsy of his phenominal tactics, and the brilliance of his substitutions, wed be relegated… all you want-to-sack-him posters should hang your heads in shame!
that, my friends, is sarcasm… 🙂
MrMojoRisin76
May 13, 2013 at 1:08 PM
Comment #60Morning people,I have a question for the Anti-Pardew fans,What were your expectations for this team before the start of the season league table wise?,i’m only asking because i hear a lot of you saying we over achieved last season,if your saying this basically what your saying is the team on paper last season wasn’t expected to finish 5th but we did,the Anti-Pardew fans who don’t want to give him any credit put this down to luck,i put it down to our manager.Now with only 1 1st team addition to this squad where did you think we would finish this season?
check the toastie
May 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM
Comment #61The stabililty debate is irrelevent, Pardew should never have been given the job and has proved this notion with his total ineptitude.
Pardew should be sacked as simply he is Shit, always has been and always will be, and is an obnoxious tit to boot.
Beattie25
May 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM
Comment #62Stability on the football pitch and in the boardroom is more important than the stability on the sidelines.
If you have a great team that sticks together and wants to succeed and excel and a boardroom that shares that mentality then all you need is a manager that can come in and bridge the gap between the two.
Until you find the right manager you keep searching until that special one comes along and brings out the best in the team.
We have luxuries that neither Ferguson, Moyes and even Wenger had at the start of their current jobs and that is a vastly talented squad that should by rights be pushing top 6. We don’t need Pardew to build a team over the next 7 years in order to push up the league and compete at the highest level.
For the good of the players, fans and even mike Ashley’s god damn business Pardew should be relieved.
WWYCD
May 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM
Comment #63Sage
For me the whole seasons been a write off from managers failings to the players not showing up plus the board ignoring squad issues and letting us stumble so obviously
Nests seasons a new one and either way opinions on here have no chance of changing Ashley’s mind
jayphoto
May 13, 2013 at 1:14 PM
Comment #64Worse thing ive seen pardew say was this week when he was talking about David Moyes! Really kept emphasising how big an acheivement that finishing in the top 6 was, and how its the sign of a top manager etc, was really obviously using the subject of moyes as a way of talking himself up! Got a feeling hes gone into self preservation mode, would’n’t surprise me if hes got an eye on the everton job! Personally im all for stability, but only with the right manager! Out of our 37 league games this season of which ive watched all, the only games i can remember us being the better side was the home wins againnst spurs and stoke! Even wins vs chelsea and southampton were fortunate as they missed buckets of chances each! My worry is that pardew sets up teams fearing the loss too much! Its like a game of football manager where at half time he sets his team mentality to ‘contain’. Would like a manager with the confidence in his team to believe they can win games by attacking for the whole 90 minutes!
Beattie25
May 13, 2013 at 1:14 PM
Comment #65Sage
Did you see MOTD last night?
Jonny
May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM
Comment #66HBA needs to lose a few pounds in the summer. And I don’t mean down the casino.
No Plain Saylor
May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM
Comment #67The most important thing in football is a philosophy, a way of playing tht you stick to, hold in high regard and will not back away from despite a poor run in form.
What is Pardew’s philosophy? Seriously pro pardew people tell me what is his style?
It is keep it tight, defend well and try to catch them on the break. It’s all about that word for Pardew – “magic”. That’s how he thinks games should be won, rather than putting attacking pressure on as a team, as a unit.
He thinks you can either win by keeping it tight and having a moment of that magic, or you can throw the kitchen sink forward and hope not to get caught. There’s no middle ground whatsoever of playing positive football and yet also defending sensibly from the front like most other teams at least attempt. Also keeping possession and attacking patiently is defending, the best form of it.
It brings to mind when we played Spurs last season and he said we would “let our hair down” and we were 4-0 down at half time. He hasn’t the first clue how to play football like a normal balanced team. He’s frighteningly limited and I don’t understand how anyone can still support him if you really love this club.
Ulster_Toon
May 13, 2013 at 1:17 PM
Comment #68The problem with pardew is that we have a squad of technically gifted players just look at cabaye ben arfa, marvaeux, anita etc. And we play a negative hoofball all the time. A bad system for the players we have, and pardew doesnt learn. Next year he will want carrol and although i like him as a player, it will just cement the boring football the fans dont want to see. Would rather see remy and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang come in.
Mag.no
May 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Comment #69MrMojo
I’d be happy with 8th and above, league table wise.
I’m not that shallow though and know that our football is way more important than a number on a list. I want us to play football and evolve that way, not us finishing on a certain place. If we evolve our play we will automaticly look better, league table wise too.
jayphoto
May 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Comment #70Think reasons for wanting a change arent all to do with league position! I could accept 13th if we’d shown positive signs in more performances! The level of talent in the squad means our play should be a higher level than we’ve seen! This season ive watched Reading come to St James’ park and come away not only with 3 points but also playing us off the park! In away games we’ve been outplayed by reading, southampton, Brighton, Atromitos, maritimo! Its not the results that are a concern because freaks do happen,, its that top often we are outplayed by much lesser sides
Beattie25
May 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM
Comment #71Mojo
Simple really.
I expected better football than last season, a growth of ability, style and quality.
We have regressed.
I expected a top 8 finish given the quality of the squad.
We haven’t achieved that.
If you take away all the good luck, individual brilliance and complete failures of other clubs we would have finished about 12th-8th last season IMO.
In terms of footballing quality we deserved no better than 12th-8th last season.
Looking at this season and taking away the bad luck we’ve had we would still be in 15th-12th place so I think that is a fair reflection of this season.
In terms of footballing quality we deserve to go down as we have been the worst footballing team outside of QPR. Even with the lack of depth caused by injuries our starting 11 and subs have been stronger than most teams below and around us.
I know you’ll argue with me so save your breath but that’s my opinion.
Mag.no
May 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM
Comment #72…and adding i don’t think we’ll evolve under Pardew. He’s not capable of playing modern football.
croftus5678
May 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM
Comment #73some wingers and strikers now pls.
i see pro’s and cons with all managers tbh and its completely out of our control so if pards does stay i’m hoping the team will gel after half of the team were strangers to eachother in fairness.
mbiwa was awsome at his last club but sadly not great so far ! but collo was the same of some time and look at him now ^^ we really need to keep him.
debuchy and hairdryer are great even with accounts of there off days and sissoko/gouffy as long as played where they should be are great players.
cabaye/tiote have let themselves down this season imo and need a fresh start next season with no pressure on them.
guti….he’s a bench player ! ameobi..just get rid same with ober
marv should be impact sub and cabaye’s advanced replacement.
4/4/2 or 4/3/3 next season as cisse can not do it all alone and 1 striker is just way to poor a system for us to play.
Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand
May 13, 2013 at 1:27 PM
Comment #74No Plain….It’s all perspectives and patience.
I will state again, that I am all for a better manager coming in, although I have my doubts as to who that would be. I don’t want change just for the sake of change.
At the end of last season, I did honestly believe that we would see an improvement in our playing style. We haven’t.
I think at the start of the season, the manager and players showed an attitude of we’ve made it. Arrogance was a huge downfall for us this season, at least at the beginning.
I feel from that point onwards, he has been unable to pull it back. Injuries and Europa have proved to be distractions throughout.
I’m no longer sitting here saying, it will be alright, Alan can do. I am well and truly on the fence with him. It may seem I am simply just backing the guy, but I’m not. I’m just backing not to change for the sake of it. I will be over the moon with a better manager, as much as I would have been if we did it last summer.
Pardew is limited, but can do a job. Until the clubs ambition is proved or changes (which would mean a better manager I assume), then I don’t see the point in changing managers for more of the same.
My only proviso has been and is, if the players have lost faith in him and want to leave, then Pardew should go immediately. I don’t support dismantling these players to suit Pardew and his methods.
MrMojoRisin76
May 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Comment #75Beattie
No arguments bud,just wanted to know peoples expectations this season of an over-achieving team last season.
ilovetoon8788
May 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Comment #76I’ve never seen a premier league side so impotent when it comes to attacking play. Our players are so static and Cisse is completely isolated upfront. It’s not a on off game that we see this. We have been seeing this the entire season.
And what’s with Pardew complaining about injuries. All season along the match squad he’s been able to put out has been more than decent. Even Manchester United once had to put in a completely makeshift back four with Carrick in central defence and Valencia as full back earlier in the season.
I really want Pardew to go. With or without injuries our attacking play is almost non-existant for the 2 and a half season he’s here. We need a different manager with a different idea who can take us forward.
DCMag
May 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Comment #77Understand the cynicism around Pardew, but our need for instant results helps feed the perception that we are deluded supporters. Whether it’s Pardew or anyone else, the club need to prove we can go 3+ seasons without changing managers. I’m proud of the Euro campaign, dismayed by the gutless end to the Premier. When you lose 3-1 and 6-0 to the clubs you least admire, it explains the desperate urge to get rid of Pardew. So, I guess I understand both sides. Apologies for the lack of a firm position.
Beattie25
May 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Comment #78Mojo
Thanks for respecting my opinion and I hope I can start to return that favour.
low fell mag
May 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Comment #79Well it looks like its time for Pardew to go,i did stand byPardew ,with europe and thinking we would climb the table.I even defended him after the Sunderland game but i lost faith after that terrible Liverpool show.Then when you look at the bigger picture ,60 odd goals conceded ,a pittfull 2 wins away from home, that surely is relegation form,considering the quality players we have.
mindshaft
May 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM
Comment #80“We just ran out of legs and xxxxxxx were far the better team in the second half. But I can’t be critical of my side because the running they had to do on Txxxxxxxx night, against a really top side, it had its bearing on today’s result, no doubt about that.
“The two full-backs, are knackered and the two central midfielders tired badly. We kept giving the ball away and it made it a long day for us, going from one penalty box and back to our own.”
Typical Pards quote……….. only it’s actually from Fergie on ManUres defeat to Chelski, don’ t think we can only blame Pards for using this excuse as they all do it
And no chance of Remy coming to Toon as he would have to halve his wages…. he went to QPR as they offered him 80k a week….. has everyone on here got Alzeimers???