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We Got Over The Line – But Are Better Things Ahead?

9:09 am, Tuesday, May 14th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 56 Comments

Alan Pardew has come in for some withering criticism this season, and it’s continued after the QPR win, but that crazy 3 points  finally made us safe in the league, and we can now watch the Arsenal-Wigan game tonight – and even enjoy it.

alan pardew after the game today

Alan Pardew – after the 6-0 disgrace against Liverpool
He didn’t look too good – neither did we


Watching the Wigan – Swansea game last Tuesday night was complete and utter agony, but three results have gone for us – Wigan lost last week, Aston Villa lost at home to Chelsea on Saturday, after being 1-0 up and Chelsea reduced to 10 men, and then we won at QPR 2-1 – but exactly how we held onto the win in that second half was just amazing – the Gods were with us.

But we did it – and we have to give credit to the lads and players like Coloccini, Yanga-Mbiwa, Ben Arfa and Gouffran, who produced big time when the chips were really down – and we’ll not forget that.

This is what Alan Pardew said in the local press today:

“Our season has been difficult, but we have come through it.” “I don’t care what anybody says, getting over the line with some of the misfortune we have had is an achievement.”

“We have had three cruciate injuries and no other club has had that.” “We missed key players at QPR – Sissoko, Shola Ameobi, Tim Krul and Davide Santon.”

“All year we have had that, but we still got over the line. That is the main thing.” “Of course. Our fans can turn up and enjoy it.”

“I hope they come in fancy dress and enjoy it.” “Regardless of the score, thank God we are here next year in the greatest league in the world.”

It’s hard to think that Shola Ameobi is a key player these days – but there again he’s the only striker we have available other than Cisse right now, although Yoan Gouffran has performed well for us when it mattered.

Newcastle fans have been venting since Sunday, when we reached safety, although some commentators don’t realise we are safe – becasue Wigan play Aston Villa on Sunday and that m,eans we will stay above one of them, whatever the results of the final games of the season.

And there’s nothing wrong with venting after what’s been a very difficult season for Newcastle and the fans – better to get it out of the system.

But we half expect the summer transfer window to be that much more busy and exciting now, simply because we’ve done so poorly in the league.

And maybe the powers that be at the club can put together a squad that can compete for a top four place next season.

That’s what we want to see in the summer – it could happen – maybe.

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56 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Tsunki // May 14, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    Banjo. About as relevant as I could get, sorry.

  • 2 Indian Magpie // May 14, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Biggest misfortune is Pardew

  • 3 WWYCD // May 14, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    Indian Mag
    Are u saying (last thread) we should of sacked Pardew last year?

  • 4 Indian Magpie // May 14, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    WWYCD

    No, Now and we should not give him this year.

  • 5 Markaccus // May 14, 2013 at 9:19 AM

    Indian you clearly DID say we should have sacked him last year. I will copy and paste if you like.

  • 6 nick_9 // May 14, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    TDS – what do you expect? We lost three nil to our rivals and then 6:0 to a team that finished below us the season before so he had to shoulder some of the blame. He still thought the criticism was harsh though when they got off lightly by my book.

    Avoiding relegation is an achievement on the back of last season? Shola Ameobi is a key player?

    The man needs to quite giving interviews and get on with his job, someone gag the useless g1t and send him a copy of 95/96, he obviously didn’t get the copy I sent him

  • 7 mindshaft // May 14, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Is he counting both of Ryan Taylors cruciate ligament injuries, to be honest I wouldnt even class Ryan Taylor as a regular first team player.

    No decision has been made on Pards future yet and wont be until post season meeting, by all accounts, board is split with half advising Ashley to sack him…. to be honest I can’t believe half of the board want Pards to stay

  • 8 Markaccus // May 14, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Indian Magpie // May 14, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    As i Said yesterday.

    Pardew’s situation is like Steve Kean. He should have been sacked an year ago. before it got to where it did

  • 9 nick_9 // May 14, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    In fairness to Indian he might have meant at Christmas durin our bad spell

  • 10 Markaccus // May 14, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    Nick… Tragically though Shola is key… because we have no one else.

  • 11 Markaccus // May 14, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    Nick, he could have meant that, but he said ‘a year ago’ rather than ‘last year’ so i think he is just trying do show his 20/20 hind-sight lol

  • 12 nick_9 // May 14, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    Markaccus – it’s a sorry state of affairs when an aging shola with a bad hip? Is a key player. We have enough midfielders to field a good attacking formation with five in midfield but we don’t and hardly ever support the striker

  • 13 nick_9 // May 14, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    Ah right, I didn’t see the quote so assumed he said last year as opposed to a year ago

  • 14 tunearmy // May 14, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    “I hope they come in fancy dress and enjoy it.”

    I hope they go in ‘Sack Pardew” flags

  • 15 WWYCD // May 14, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Indian Mag
    Ok fair enough though Steve Kean never reached the heights Pards did with us so the comparison is a bit weak imo

    Markaccus
    That how I read it too mate but I think he was referring to Kean being sacked a year earlier rather than Pards

  • 16 IPToon // May 14, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    From Pardew’s comments lately you have to think he was told “stay up and you keep your job”

    Now we have secured safety his quotes of “couldnt care if we lost 4-0” and now “the fans can come and enjoy it, REGARDLESS OF THE SCORE, we are in the league next year”

    Doesnt sound like a manager who thinks this game or the result has any bearing on his future does it?

  • 17 catchy in norway // May 14, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    wwwwd

    yes he should have been sacked last year, luck was a massive part of our season

  • 18 Indian Magpie // May 14, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    Markaccus

    Nick_9

    I meant Steve Kean Should have sacked an year ago or 12 months before he was sacked. Blackburn fans kept asking for his sacking. yet owners stuck by him.

    Yet when he did get the sack, the club plummeted further

  • 19 ToonDarnSarf // May 14, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    Nick – there’s no point in any more criticism, he’s getting plenty! Any more would have just harmed the team.

    Everton nearly got relegated the season after finishing 5th I believe, and I’d take the last few years’ finishes from them. Hiring and sacking managers just leaves it to luck whether they have a successful season or not, pick the right manager and stick with him. If it’s not Pardew, we’ll know by Christmas…

  • 20 tunearmy // May 14, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    make no mistake, We woz lucky not to go down, trust me, Sack him!

  • 21 nick_9 // May 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    @NUFC_Stats: On this day… 13 years ago, NUFC beat Arsenal 4-2 at home in the Premier League with goals from Speed (2), Shearer & Griffin #nufc

  • 22 Markaccus // May 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    yeah nick. I sometimes cry in the shower over our lack of strikers. The main thing that needs to change next year, regardless who is in charge, is our attacking skills and tactics. we have been too defensive this year and as you say there has been no support when we have tried to go forward.

  • 23 WWYCD // May 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    catchy
    Am happy not being a laughable club anymore but if u want to get back on the joke pages rather than the sports ones that’s ur right

  • 24 Santon03 // May 14, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    We owe it to the Swans to save our @ss

  • 25 stuart no9 // May 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    from previous thread——-

    markaccus @ 95 yeah agree mate it is madness, however, at the end of the day ( i hate that expression but its the only one i could think of this time in the morning ) it all boils down to aspirations , and long term future of the club..
    Ok they have spent a lot of money , but that still dosnt quarantee success. what it does show imo is, how far do we need to go, and how many years will it take to get there , when we keep a manager because he has kept us up ? its freightening really, how far we lag behind.
    what we are seeing now in manchester- i wont see in my lifetime, i’m sure of that.

  • 26 Greebol1892 // May 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    No.23 A KEY PLAYER???!!!??!!??!!???????? FFS Gouffran and Campbell are WAYYYY AHEAD of such a “player” (footballer impersonator). Has ALWAYS been championship / 1st division standard, etc, etc, etc!!! We desparately need 2 strikers to stop this pudding getting anywhere near 1st team again.

  • 27 Munster Mag // May 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    As if any or all of those players would have made a difference at QPR!! Regardless of injuries ( I think only two quality players seriously affected ? ) we know we should have done a lot better but tactics, defensiveness etc have all had a damaging effect. Even without Europa next season, only a serious change in approach will help us.

  • 28 Markaccus // May 14, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    ah right Indian fair enough. It seemed like you wanted him gone after 5th lol. However Catchy is at it again.
    How many times are you going to do this catchy?? you cant say last season was nothing to do with pardew and this season is all to do with pardew. All you are doing is making your own arguments completely worthless.

  • 29 Santon03 // May 14, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    “I don’t care what anybody says, getting over the line with some of the misfortune we have had is an achievement.”

    It’s just summed up what kind of man pardew is.

  • 30 Griff-toon // May 14, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    I dont get it…

    An achievement getting over the line? All clubs have injuries. Yes it was an achievement getting 5th place last year. But getting over the line must be considered a dissapoinment and underachivement?

    Key players missed at QPR?

    Sissoko – would be swapped with who? Cant take out Cabaye or Tiote from midfield. And we all know he wouldnt take out Guti from the team. So that leaves HBA or probbably Gouffran who I believe also are key and can do a good enough jobb not to be used as an excuse.

    Ameobi – Well im no fotballmanager. But Key player? Should he have played instead off Cisse or Gouffran? Again I think they are good enough to get the job done.

    Krul – Ok I agree, I think he is better than Elliot and after Elliots stupid red card I think this is a viable uppgrade. However, Elliot makes some good saves and also can get the job done.

    Santon – Good player, but so is Mbiwa, I thought he gave us security in defence and also was good going forward. So realy also a good enough player to get the job done.

    When is Pardew ever going to coment on our poor playstyle like for example Brendan Rogers was doing a lot after many of his first matches with Liverpool. He is honest about when they dont play well enough according to the gameplan.

  • 31 catchy in norway // May 14, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    wwwd

    we are a joke

    we do not play football, andif think we do , then more fool you

    you dont keep a guy just because it looks bad to change ,

    what do they say , pride before a fall , hmmmmm

  • 32 Markaccus // May 14, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    stuart… yes the gulf is massive. Th policy on hiring and firing managers is also massively different between top and bottom clubs. I wonder if there will ever be a middle ground.

  • 33 Santon03 // May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    He still thinks that he is The God perfect gift to football world and NUFC.

  • 34 TorqToon // May 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    Wow! Atmosphere on here is still awful!

  • 35 stuart no9 // May 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    what pardew actually does is, name anyone who is injured as “key players” therefore when we have a bad result, the players who are injured at the time will be ‘ KEY PLAYERS ”
    they could be anyone, but pards will use them as an excuse foe defeat., like he has this season.
    He will ALWAYS have ‘key players” missing
    Talk about crafty cockney eh. !

  • 36 Indian Magpie // May 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    WWYCD

    As you know i am with Catchy

    When you can afford a Manor why live in a Hut

  • 37 catchy in norway // May 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    28Markaccus

    last season was so lucky,

    lucky we had Ba first half , cisse 2nd half

    magic every now and again from HBA

    the football for me was poor

    we played with wingers that created nothing , he switched HBA to right wing , what a waste of his tallent

  • 38 Indian Magpie // May 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    Torq Toon

    Liven it up

    Tell us we have signed Marek Hamsik

  • 39 Markaccus // May 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM

    Torq…. good news… today i am getting lots of busses. Hope to have some news by 5:30!

  • 40 GenralHez // May 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    “Pea Brain Pardew” needs to be placed in a darkened room to recover from whatever has caused his footballing mental problems.

    “We have had three cruciate injuries and no other club has had that.” “We missed key players at QPR – Sissoko, Shola Ameobi, Tim Krul and Davide Santon.” Excuses, excuses, excuses, the problem id himself, he is deluded.

    I hope Mr Ashley as the bottle to do what is right for the club, after all it is his money he is risking as well as the health of thousands of NUFC supporters.

  • 41 WWYCD // May 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    catchy
    No one thinks we have played good football this season but the players are as much to blame as the manager

    And no u keep a manager because he deserves it and last season Pards more than earned that right with a double manager of the season award, a 5th place finish and bringing European football back to our club. U can credit it all to luck if u want but that horse crap as far as am concerned, it played its part in places but NUFC work damn hard throughout that season and I won’t take anything away from my team

  • 42 nick_9 // May 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    Surely Mike Ashley has to question pardew a bit now? He backed him in the January window quite substantially and it only just paid off.

    See most fans are torn between Carroll and remy, it would be impressive if we signed both and give us plenty of options. Far from happy with our current attacking options and if we only sign one striker we’re back to square one if we get an injury. Ship out more of the deadwood as well.

  • 43 GenralHez // May 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    sorry about the spelling, key board problems.

  • 44 Indian Magpie // May 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    Stuart no 9

    R taylor must be perennial key player then. :)

  • 45 discrepancia // May 14, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    I think the fans can play very important key in ashley’s hesitation about pardew.

    more “pardew out”falgs sunday would show what we want him out..

    still haven’t seen any at sjp despite all these months which is unbelievable for me

  • 46 Greebol1892 // May 14, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    For what it’s worth, I seem to remember SBR was sacked for losing the players respect which affected the performances on the pitch with in-house fighting & leadership issues. League position & being a good manager seemed irrelevant at the time.

    If anyone can give a clearer more in-depth assessment on SBR’s sacking then that would be appreciated.

  • 47 TorqToon // May 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    Indian – You will be the first to know mate! :-)

    Mark – I was bigging you up on here the other day as, along with proud and Sage, you were a real life ITK of all this circulating England!

    Keep hopping on those buses my friend. We need an update on the AC situation and clarification on whether what you and I have heard, is on fact true.

    Keep up the good work!

  • 48 Markaccus // May 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    Nick.. Yes. 2 strikers is a must. Caroll or a caroll type and remy or a remy type. Caroll would give us the arial option we have been woefully lacking since he left (and would not just be for long ball). Remy would give pace and a clinical eye for goal.

  • 49 ToonDarnSarf // May 14, 2013 at 9:55 AM

    I’m pissed off with the anti-Ameobi comments. Here is a guy who has been loyal to his hometown club his whole career, has always tried his best when on the pitch (remember when he played for weeks for Bobby while carrying an injury?), is a fantastic spokesman for the club, and has scored some key goals for us – the mackem slayer!

    How about we all slag off Harper for only having one good season for us and not being good enough?

  • 50 croftus5678 // May 14, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    one thing i learn as a toon fan for many many years is how fickle us fans are (inc me).

    we cry and cry about things i.e. ashley when he 1st took over or houghton getting the boot for no reason or pards when he 1st took charge ect ect but the fact is we dont know what the future holds and we have been proven wrong on many many occasions only to lie to ourselves and insist we never said it when we did !

    now i stay quite and dont rock the boat only support my team and the things i can actually change (atmosphere on match day)

    i’d never ever want my team to do bad and any person who does is no fan at all ! so if pards is in charge next season i really hope he does well and makes us all say “no i never called for his head” ect.

  • 51 danuneek // May 14, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    I’m pretty sure Adam Campbell is a striker as well … Oh wait … Pards likes him on the wing! That really irritates me, as if another position is more important than another. You could argue that without decent supply, how is the striker going to score? Ameobi is rubbish and extremely frustrating. We’ve had to put up with 10 years of him bouncing around the pitch and stepping on players. If Pardew is staying, he’s going to have to sort his excuses out. Just listening to Laudrup on MotD made me think why couldn’t we have someone like that in charge?!! It’s typical Newcastle really, so close but yet so far away! We finally have a good team, sound finances, great support and all we need is a decent manager.

  • 52 croftus5678 // May 14, 2013 at 10:07 AM

    @49 toondarnsarf

    his loyalty can never be questioned thats for sure but he is not a very good player unfortunatly !
    just goes to prove just because a player is a geordie does not mean they can transform our team.
    saylor is in the same catagory with him being a lot better than ameobi but he’s still far too inconsistant to be classed as a top defender imo.
    they are the type of players i would class as good future coaches to bring passion and desire to the more skillfull players and be a good influence to them.

  • 53 croftus5678 // May 14, 2013 at 10:12 AM

    @51

    i think i agree with you there !
    cisse obviously was not working as a lone striker we could see that a few games after ba left (not all pards fault though as the fans was asking for ba to be sold and cisse played as a lone striker) but gouffy has mostly played very well as a striker and like you say a few more apearances for cambell (even though in fairness he should have been on loan last season but for us losing ba)

  • 54 one Tony Green // May 14, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    You know the sad thing Pardew is a poor coach. Do you know he gave the lads 4 days after we drew at West Brom because he thought we were safe. The lads have not trained at all this week.

    No wonder the pick up injuries the clown

  • 55 ToonDarnSarf // May 14, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    Croftus – agreed, he’s not a world class striker. But we need backup strikers and he’s done that job very well.

  • 56 toonluvva // May 14, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    I think I’m right to say that we could finish the season in 17th place, just 1 point off the drop.

    This involves Wigan beating Villa who go down on 40 points, and Sun’lun beating Spurs. Just because we are safe, I’m still concerned about what our final place in the league table.

    If that is acceptable, then heaven knows what will happen next season.




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