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Pardew Wants To Upset The Odds And Beat Arsenal

10:02 am, Saturday, May 18th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 169 Comments

Alan Pardew will be hoping he can finish off what has been a very poor season in the Premier League with a win against the visiting Arsenal side.

arsene wenger smiling

Arsene Wenger- his Arsenal side are in form

Ever since Wenger joined Arsenal in 1996 he has had Arsenal in the top four and has always qualified for the Champions League.

Ar the moment Arsenal are on 70 points and are one point ahead of Tottenham and they also have a much better goal difference, so it seems if Tottenham are going to get into fourth place they have to beat Sunderland at White Hart Lane tomorrow, and Arsenal would need to lose or draw at Newcastle.

This s what Alan Pardew told the Evening Chronicle:

“It’s a huge game for Arsenal – it’s very important for them,” “They need to win, and they’ll have that mentality. They’ll carry a threat, and we’ve got to deal with that. Everyone knows how important Champions League football is to them.”

“One team is going to be under enormous pressure. We’re not under that pressure, but we want to put a performance in and upset the odds. That’s what we want to do.”

Newcastle will be able to field a very good side tomorrow, and Sylvain Marveaux is also available, and Alan Pardew has said the Frenchman will play some part in the game tomorrow.

Steve Harper will be playing his last game for Newcastle,  and Danny Simpson has already played his last game at West Ham.

A win would be a very good way to end this season, and we’ll finish fairly high up the league table too with 3 points – but it will be difficult.

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169 responses so far ↓

  • 1 toon22 // May 18, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    Is he joking this time too?

  • 2 Hatem's better than Messi // May 18, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    I thought Wigan were in for a hammering in the FA cup final so … I might be wrong again, I hope I’m wrong … it’s good to be wrong sometimes Alan, otherwise people will think you are a lying narcissistic egomaniac.

  • 3 stuart no9 // May 18, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    pardews comments
    “It’s a huge game for Arsenal – it’s very important for them,” “They need to win, and they’ll have that mentality. They’ll carry a threat, and we’ve got to deal with that. Everyone knows how important Champions League football is to them.”

    “One team is going to be under enormous pressure. We’re not under that pressure, but we want to put a performance in and upset the odds. That’s what we want to do.”

    he just cant help himself can he ? another negative statement from the man himself. his comments are just full of empty platitudes – nothing else.

  • 4 numba9 // May 18, 2013 at 10:10 AM

    If he doesn’t give young Campbell a good 45 he is a absolute clown

  • 5 stuart no9 // May 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    i’m glad thats what you want to do alan!

  • 6 Jail for Ashley // May 18, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    Can those people who are defending Pardew by outlining Evertons success please point out what success that actually is,if it is only being nearly relegated once in eleven years and nearly once reaching the CL ,then Pard u turns propaganda speeches really are working .

  • 7 criticalsteve73 // May 18, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    I say play our strongest attacking team and give us fans a taste of proper football he has the players to do it just take his reins of our team and go for it win lose or draw it could be a cracking game or am I just dreaming bored at work

  • 8 numba9 // May 18, 2013 at 10:19 AM

    Everton manager was a good defensive coach tho outlined by lineker and co on motd. Parsnip takes defensive training them ships. A load of goals bad defensive coach

  • 9 Toon Tang // May 18, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    we will again set up to nullify their game plan rather than play our own game and have wenger adjust to the way that we play. This is what pisses me off with pardew tactics. Even against reading at home we set out to defend and tried to stop them playing when against shite like that, they should be worrying about us.

    JUST PLAY YOUR OWN GAME PARDEW AND STOP THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE OPPOSITION ARE DOING ALL THE TIME

  • 10 TimKrulFan // May 18, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    We need a winger a ST and a young CB if collo leaves what’s the betting pardew signs another CM.

  • 11 stuart no9 // May 18, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    tim @ 10———-and a manager !

  • 12 TimKrulFan // May 18, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    Pardew please leave and destroy another team!

  • 13 Toon Tang // May 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    stu @ 11———-your not wrong !

  • 14 TimKrulFan // May 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    I would take a new manager over any new players.

  • 15 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // May 18, 2013 at 10:27 AM

    Sorry Pardew! But i can see another 5 or 6 to Nul pasting coming on ?

    This will happen if you come up with the same game plan that you have been using the whole second half of this season?

    When will he learn to just keep his trap Sut?

  • 16 stuart no9 // May 18, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    just think —- getting rid of pardew , is like a new signing -. lol

  • 17 TimKrulFan // May 18, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Steve Kean>Pardew

  • 18 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    Hopefully we can get a win or at least put on an attacking display and get a goal or two to send the fans home with some pride left.

    On the previous story, not sure why we keep shola, loyalty is to be admired, but if you are at the best club you could possibly get (getting a few games and being your local and supported club) then being loyal is quite easy.

    Not the same as Shearer who could have gone to man utd and won countless trophies.

    Hopefully he is moved on, he is not what we need, no offence to the lad. He did very well in the championship for us so i’m sure he could get a club around that level for a couple years.

  • 19 Nojdani // May 18, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    As long as we finish the season above 5under1and I’m happy.

  • 20 stuart no9 // May 18, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    transfer– fair point on shola . no room for sentiment in this game !

  • 21 kww // May 18, 2013 at 10:36 AM

    JFA,

    it’s all relative; everton has not have massive investments in the squad in the last 10 years and have to constantly replace top players who were sold.

    so yes, relatively speaking to manchester clubs, some london clubs everton has been successful.

    anti-pardew gang has to stop bringing out useless points if they want to get some credit. taking a biased view of the club deserving success on NO merits except a 50000 stadium.
    check made a comment earlier about how many internationals newcastle has. krul cabaye tiote become established internationals under pardew, pardew turned around ben arfa’s career after his knee injury (pardew was the one who signed ben arfa). colo played some of his best football under pardew except when his personal issues started affecting his performances. santon was called up to italy after playing under pardew.
    anita sissoko mbiwa are fringe internationals. realyl the only established international pardew have is debuchy, colo and gutirez

    i agree if there’s better manager who use the squad more effectively (including rotating), then we should move pardew on, he’s been dealt a very poor hand this season, and another manager may have played it differently with better results,
    but don’t make up nonsense and say pardew is clueless and is the shittest manager in epl. there have been tactical successes (anzhi, benfica, some league games last season).
    by comparison hughes and harry rnapp look juvenile relegating a squad full of established internationals and experienced premiership players. of coz armchair critics never quite get the difficulties in gelling a squad.

  • 22 Hatem's better than Messi // May 18, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    Does one person think we’re playing better football now after 2.5 seasons of Pardew than we were under Chris Hughton?

  • 23 Munster Mag // May 18, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    This guy is getting worse…..has anyone read the bog with the comments from Wets Ham Reading and Charlton fans on it …..?? Its like a mirror image of Pardew now …..all negative crap. I know I’ll receive criticism, but I’d rather lose badly today and get rid of Pardew, than draw or win and keep him. I just cant see how he is going to change the team into a cohesive attacking unit next season. In reality, its not his style . Brilliant post in previous article by Guru Munroe on why Pardew is unique. Comical. Anyway, before I sign off for now, I’d like to say my usual ……” We wasnt a fret” ……grrr….

  • 24 Hatem's better than Messi // May 18, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    That 5-1 win … AC so dominant that other teams were scared of us because they couldn’t defend against us if we got it right? So much promise … look where we are now … cheers for that Pardew.

  • 25 stuart no9 // May 18, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    kww@21

    anti-pardew gang has to stop bringing out useless points if they want to get some credit. taking a biased view of the club deserving success on NO merits except a 50000 stadium.

    what usless points would they be ???

  • 26 Munster Mag // May 18, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Why cant he say something like this ….” We respect Arsenal greatly and they will present us with challenges all over the pitch. But this is St James Park, and I expect our players to get on the ball and attack them. We have some great players here – Cabaye, HBA, Marveaux and others and we are going to make sure that Arsenal feel some real pressure today” Is there anything wrong with that Pardew????

  • 27 TimKrulFan // May 18, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    @21 Pardew did not sign Ben Arfa!

  • 28 Tinman - Pardwho? // May 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Still think Pardew is out

  • 29 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    just saw this and thought i’d share

    “36.08%

    Managers such as Hughton (59.38% although he did manage in the Championship so fair enough), Glenn Roeder (45.83%) and Graham Souness (44.82%) all had better win percentages. Sir Bobby’s was 46.66% over a period of 255 games.

    Pardew is more comparable with Big Sam (33.33%) than any other Newcastle manager over the last decade.”

    not shocking stats but pretty poor all the same. Kinear was only 20% wins so he is an upgrade on him haha.

    Hughton in the prem had a win % of 31.25%. thats just as permanent manager, it’s a little lower if you take the 4 games in relegation year (0 wins)

  • 30 Laurent Robert 32 // May 18, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    If he lets them just go out and attack and we win, then it’s showing up the whole season of misery as tactical dross when being positive is the way to go.

    If we again play defensively hoping to contain Arsenal and get hammered, then the utter dross has simply continued.

    Tomorrow is going to be very interesting. I’m sure there’ll be more than just one scarf thrown in front on the dugout should we be worse than at Liverpool. Colo will help a lot in keeping the score down, but still, it could be bad as they need goals goals goals to prevent a play off with Spurs.

  • 31 Laurent Robert 32 // May 18, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Munster 26 – well said.

  • 32 Tinman - Pardwho? // May 18, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    KWW,
    Tiote was already an established International.
    Krul was always going to have a very good chance because he is a top keeper.
    Cabaye, not sure on that one.

  • 33 stuart no9 // May 18, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    munster@23 –here here. short term pain for long term gain as they say. if we lose heavily i will be sad for 1 reason- harps, however if it means a heavy defeat may sway our owner to get rid , bearing in mind he is a spurs fan, and they will be out of the CL, then so be it. i hope harps plays a blinder and gets MOM award.

  • 34 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    kww

    Everton have a very similar net spend as spurs over the past 10 years (barely anything in it) and spurs are a champs league for a season and pushing for it the past 2/3 years too.

    Arsenal have the lowest net spend on transfers in the past 5 seasons, they sell a lot and buy replacements and get top 4 every year. So buying smart and selling at the right time gets you high up the league.

    I think moyes has been distinctly average at everton, if you dont have money you need to find others ways to get good players (a bit like we are at least trying now with good scouting).

  • 35 Laurent Robert 32 // May 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    He’s already getting his groundwork of excuses down now ready for his post-match interview by talking THE arsenal up.

  • 36 Munster Mag // May 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    Stuart, what useless points have I made before? Do clarify. Your man Pardew has a lot of making up to do, for opinions like yours to hold any water. Personally, I’d be happy to end up with egg on my face and NUFC in 6th this time next season , but there is little to suggest this can possibly happen, unless Cisse and another striker get red hot form and the rest learn to defend again. Can you imagine what a manager who believed in attack and could teach us to defend could do with players like Anita Cabaye HBS, Sissoko etc???

  • 37 Hatem's better than Messi // May 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Ashley is a Chelsea fan and not a Spurs fan. Llambias said that in an interview.

  • 38 Munster Mag // May 18, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Stuart, I’d feel sorry for Harps if he gets a hammering today. I think he’ll be brilliant though. Top man. Colo makes a serious difference to us, and is probably the only player in terms of injuries that I have sympathy with Parew.

  • 39 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    laurent robert

    I tomorrow could be interesting in the stands. A lot of people were behind the time and never booed as they wanted to back the lads to survive relegation.

    Now we are safe if we start the game defensively and let in a goal or two I can really see the crowd turning on the manager.

  • 40 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // May 18, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    @27:

    Okay! If Pardew did,nt sign Ben Arfa then who Did ?

    @21 : A voice of reason and a faint glimmer of hope in all this Gloom and Doom !

    I still think the Manager should learn when to keep his mouth shut though but?

  • 41 toon kk // May 18, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    Pardew is always full of negatives, from his speeches to the negative football he has the team playing. Worst thing is he can’t see the errors he’s making. I don’t know what’s going on in training but there’s something sadly missing.
    Does anyone think we’ll win tomorrow or will we be ripped apart by Pardews usual tactics?

  • 42 kww // May 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    stuart, if people want pardew out and said that for the better good for the club moving forward and having options out there, yes go for it.
    don’t use this season as a benchmark to judge pardew, because he had been given a very bad hand. he probably played his cards even worse, but let’s not forget europa cup quarter finals beating anzhi, closed to beating benfica (but for individual mistakes), plus his successes in jumpstarting some players international careers.

    most of all, he cannot be compared to robson era, when we were among the top transfer spenders (without man citys, chelseas). heck these days even the scums spent alot on squads.

    pardew has to be judged objectively over 2.5 seasons taking into account given resources and relative to all other teams in the league.

    you can say u hate his tactics, that’s fair. i dont enjoy his tactics generally, but it worked for him when ba was here.
    its ashley responsibility when he hired him unless pardew conned ashley about getting the squad to play samba football.

    his tactics are always to defend resolutely as a team and have 2 – 3 offensive flair players having their brilliant moments. so last season’s success was mostly a result of his tactics.

  • 43 stuart no9 // May 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    munster — you have the wrong guy 1 I AGREE with you every thing you say hahahahahah– no worries

  • 44 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    kww

    how was benfica a tactical success? we lost the tie.

    Santon was an international before he came
    cabaye was too

    pardew hasn’t improved any player other than perch in my eyes.

    All others have stood still or regressed.

    Watch ben arfa in france, million times better than he is now.

    i’m not saying he is totally useless but I think his style does not suit our players and to top it off he can’t see to adapt to problems very well.

    If he does remain I hope he turns it around and proves me wrong, just not seen anything to suggest he will.

  • 45 Laurent Robert 32 // May 18, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Sage, I very much agree. It would have been pointless turning on him there as it’s a fine balancing act as we still needed points. Tomorrow, being last game and some not renewing their tickets, could be a different story.

    I’d be very surprised if Arsenal weren’t on anything but their top form due to their need of Champions League.

  • 46 Hatem's better than Messi // May 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Pardew signed HBA.
    But he was at the club on loan with a buy clause under Chris Hughton before that and the deJong tackle broke his leg … we looked after him and still bought him.

    So not really Pardew …?

  • 47 Indian Magpie // May 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    just when you thought things could not get any worse

    https://twitter.com/thespectoview/status/335694933467987968/photo/1

  • 48 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    kww

    i agree he wasn’t lucky, tactic are too defend and rely on 2/3 players to get/create goals as you say

    I just think this is a poor tactic as it really limits chances.

    last season we created 2nd least chances just converted them well

    this season we have had 3rd most % shots outside the box and 2nd least % inside 6 yards box…so not creating many good chances. It’s too much of a gamble playing this way I feel.

  • 49 LeToonARMY // May 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    ___________________Harper__________________
    __Debuchy ___Coloccini__Taylor___Yanga-Mbiwa___
    _________Cabaye___________ Tiote__________
    ___Ben Arfa_______Marveux________Gouffran_____
    ___________________Cisse__________________

    SUBS
    ANITA
    CAMPBELL
    GUTTI
    PERCH
    SIMPSON
    WILLO

  • 50 outsidethebox // May 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    surprised they are not making harper captain …should let him lead out team ..then hang back for him to get applause ..imho..

  • 51 Laurent Robert 32 // May 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    The fact that Ben Arfa is spending a very high percentage of times defending well into our own half means he can’t attack anywhere near as much as he should be. Pardew’s not utilising the footballing gold which the lad has in abundance never mind within the system combined with the other players.

  • 52 Laurent Robert 32 // May 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    If you want the team to get three points, you have to base your team play around consistently creating enough chances to get goals. Relying on wonder strikes and brilliance of the players isn’t the way to get a regular haul of goals. They should be an added bonus to team passing and move goals.

    The added bonus comes with better quality players. We are relying on that to nick us points and sit on leads. It was happening last year as well, not just this year.

  • 53 stuart no9 // May 18, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    kww @ 42 — there is a saying in football – you are only as good as your last result. we finished 5th last year0 that is history ., its now that matters , not last year. also pardew has been here nearly 3 years yes 3YEARS and that is the best he can produce in all that time /? how much time does he need to put a side together that can play decent football? if he cant manage it in nearly 3 years then he should expect his p45 in the post – no excuses .

  • 54 Harley // May 18, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    The comments on this blog have become so boring.
    Everyday day ed puts articles on with quotes from pardew. Every article is then met with “can’t believe he said that”, “can’t believe he was waving”, “can’t believe he smiled” etc etc bollocks bollocks!!!!

    Pardew just cannot win at the minute with half of you. It honestly doesn’t matter what he says you will come on here and criticise him.

    He called us “fantastic fans” the other day and was crucified for being a crawler. What should he have said? Called us crap fans???? Would that have been better?

    Please change the record. He’s here till Ashley decides otherwise. We could have another storming season next season and win a cup. You just don’t know!!!!

  • 55 kww // May 18, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    i agree that pardew tactics probably won’t get us very far. therefore unless pardew changes his coaching setup we probably going to at best somewhere between 6 to 10 on average, mayb occasionally challenging for top 5 like last season.
    im just pointing that comments about pardew being the worst manager in the league, clueless, dumb, doesnt stand.

    sage u cannot compare ben arfas performances in a weaker league than premiership due to the differences in defending standards. this is especially true for offensive players. so many brazilian players play awesome football in brazil league but not many make it in europe, hence the argument y neymar needs to b proven in europe before being labelled world-class. same as ben arfa.

    ben arfa was on loan and got injured before pardew arrived. i think pardew got a fair bit out of ben arfa as he scored some key goals for us at premiership level. arguably again, maybe wenger might have gotten more out of him, but who knows?

  • 56 martoon // May 18, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Indian -That picture looks badly photoshopped as if somebody has got a Wongo logo and shoved it on top of a toon shirt.

  • 57 kww // May 18, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    i think pardew should eventually be moved on once we established ourselves as a top 10 side consistently especially if he does not become more tactically flexible.
    i’m recognizing the downsides of getting a new manager who wants his own players and working within ashley constraints.

    cabaye, ba, tiote all started their international careers in 2009, now all 3 are first team players in their squads while mostly playing under pardew. can’t take that away from him.

    i agree his tactics can b risky, but some players need to take responsiblity for this seasons failure. it was a collective responsibility, but heck, its always the manager who takes the rap first isnt it?

  • 58 stuart no9 // May 18, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    harly@54–
    Pardew just cannot win at the minute with half of you. It honestly doesn’t matter what he says you will come on here and criticise him.

    pardew cant win any time – remember ” hes a winner ”

    yes he called fantastic fans ! cant believe you got sucked into that, that is why he said it – so people like you will believe he meant it.- also when he said it he had no reason to- he just thought it would be a good thing to say to get us off his back!

  • 59 banjax // May 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Win, lose, or draw against Arsenal, Alan Pardew should part company with the Toon. I didn’t used to think that way, especially with injuries and a light squad of players. But Pardew has had two and a half years to make in-roads into all the aspects of making a squad fit for even mid – table finishes in the Premiership. Instead we found ourselves on the verge of relegation. My gut feeling is that Pardew is a dead man walking after the Arsenal game, even more so if we lose and that is how it should be. The key here is the alleged show down talks with Mile Ashley. If I were Pardew I would have my cases packed and the train tickets booked. It made no sense to anyone to sack a manager two or three games before the end of the season, and Sunderland were the proof of that, even Di Canio couldn’t prevent a bad squad waiting for the results of another team to do them a favour without kicking a ball. We need a new manager after Sunday, someone with a track record of success who has a winning mentality like Chelsea caretaker manager Rafael Benitez, parachuted into a club a short notice and delivered his brief. Whatever happens, at the Toon though, we’ll still support them. Shame the players do not match the quality and desire of the supporters.

  • 60 mattnufc // May 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Doesn’t look like he’s going, banjax.

  • 61 solano // May 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    Maybe it was Mike and Delboy who were saying their goodbyes to the players and staff at Benton yesterday? Afterall, they have now saw us decline to the ‘next level’ – ie the new Sunderland. Mission accomplished. Thanks guys for all your hard work.
    Have a nice helicopter trip….we can all put our laser pens away now and look forward to someone with ambition ;-)

  • 62 Benji84 // May 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    hey indian i cant believe that our new strip its looks shithousee to the max. Houghton brought in benny and god dam it the thing that pisses me off about pards is that he thinks he more of an epic manager than he is. I mean love or hate the guy he is too one dimensional and also last season he had a lot of luck fall our way and also the draw at the start made it easier. This season you can say injuries took a big toll and also a few decisions didnt. End of the day managers change things around to counter the opposition i dont really see pards doing that much. He feels this is his best line up ad then that should win. Thats the only thing that shitss me with him.

  • 63 Jamiemac // May 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Out of every comment on this post kww is the only one who makes a point then backs it up sensibly.

  • 64 Munster Mag // May 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Kww, you are far too forgiving….all his history points to the typeof crap we are getting. Sadly, the players we have are capable of far more. And its not going to come under Pards. We peaked once uner his – and fair play – but we wont get remotely near that standard again. On a bigger picture, if the club keeps him, he HAS to be allowed to buy the player he wants, not guys like Anita whom he doesnt seem to rate. I think there’s a real issue there.

  • 65 Midtoon // May 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thefootballtacticsblog/2011/10/newcastle_profit_from_pardews.html

    Obviously something is going wrong as last year pards was being lauded by players and press for preparing the team well with opposition players and tactics dossiers. This year we have been caught out a lot. Remember in December when the training ground was boarded up as our ‘tactics and set plays were being leaked’. Truth, spin or a mixture of typical toon luck striking this season? We have dropped at least 9 pts from bad reffing decisions namely west ham, cisses goal wrongly ruled offside and wigan with disallowed goals, mcmannans foul on haidara. We are 7 pts off 8th. But our away form has been truly atrocious where as when we finished 5th we kept getting lucky. Id love rafa but it looks like pards is here to stay. Has he ever managed this long at a club? Unknown territory?

  • 66 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // May 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    The shirt looks good?

    Then you plaster the WONGA logo on it and it spoils it !

    If we start just with the “W………. !!! ”

    The rest of the league are going to be calling us Wankers with that shirt on ! I can,t unserstand why they gave Virgin Money the boot and brought in Wonga????

  • 67 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // May 18, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    Like the new shirt !

    Hate the logo !!!!

    Wonga rymes too much like Wanker to me!!!!

  • 68 Munster Mag // May 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Jamie, thats because I’m bored of making the same fair points all the time re free kicks, defensiveness , etc etc.

  • 69 solano // May 18, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Jamie…your entitled to your opinion of course but i find it perturbing that anyone could share the ‘ambition’ of establishing ourselves in the top 10!!! We could possibly even finish there tomorrow, but it won’t hide an horrendous season.
    We were regularly in Europe and in top 10 before the 526th richest man in the world tookover. A look at Spurs’ position in 2008 under Ramos will show they were prime relegation candidates…how times have changed for them, with proper management, investment and ambition.
    It’s also ironic, that they are actually Mike’s fave team too and Danial Levy (his mate, though considerably poorer than Mike) has shown him how to do it.

  • 70 Laurent Robert 32 // May 18, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Jamie – 63

    Seriously?

    What about these back ups…

    The Guru Munro // May 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    Pardew is unique:

    Most goals conceded in a PL season for NUFC
    Most long balls in a PL season for NUFC
    Biggest home defeat in a PL season for NUFC
    Biggest home derby defeat in a PL season for NUFC
    Loss against Arsenal will mean the most losses ever in a PL season for NUFC
    Worst run of form over a 10 game period in the PL for NUFC ever
    No goals scored from a corner which again is the worst on a PL season ever for NUFC
    Statistically the worst manager to have 50+ games in charge of NUFC in the PL

    There are many more unique facts and stats.

    ——–

    or these fans’ views from the other clubs that he has demoralised:

    http://www.nufcblog.org/2013/05/does-this-sound-familiar-west-ham-charlton-and-southampton-fans-on-pardew/#.UZdbTeuZzx4

  • 71 mattnufc // May 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    Are the rumours that it will be Shola’s last game true? Might tie in with Pardew saying we need two strikers..

  • 72 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Cheers to everyone that agreed on my points, for those who didn’t see them due to it being quite early in the morning here’s a repost:

    Well, it looks like old Alan Pardew is staying. Since he is, I think we need to adress these following things or we’re just going to get into deeper sh*t:

    1. Fix set pieces, doing the same thing over and over again is simply moronic.

    2. Find a formation that is fluid and will work with our players. Don’t pretend we’re using 4-3-3 then go into 4-4-2 two minutes into the match.

    3. Drop players that aren’t in form. What’s the point off having a big squad if you’re not going to rotate the players when they do bad? Cough cough GUTTIEREZ cough cough.

    4. Use your substitutions more wisely. If we’re losing one nill, don’t bring off a CAM for a CDM… It’s moronic to say the least.

    5. Either fire John Carver or focus more on attacking. We look unimaginative going forward, so if it’s true that Pardew does defensive work four times a week… Stuff him. Let John Carver experiment with them. If not, sack John Carver.

    6. Don’t buy English players unless there young or a good value for money. I do not want to see terrible English players in here just because there English.

    7. Loan youngsters out if you’re not going to use them. There’s no point keeping them here as they’ll gain nothing.

    8. Focus more on the cups. We have a rather good squad, so give those who don’t get much of a chance in the cup games. But still field a strong side.

    9. Don’t hold onto one goal leads, I think it has worked once or twice this season other then that Pardew has cost us many points. I wonder were we would be if he continued attacking.

    10. Sack the medical team. What the heck actually goes on in there? Do they get tortured? Far too many injuries.

    11. Stop making up excuses. Learn to take the blame for once.

    12. Utilize attacking players more. Marveux should play as many games as possible, he is one hell of a talent and hopefully we’ll get to see that next season.

    13. Play players in their right position.

    14. Clear out the dead wood.

    15. Invest in positions we actually need, for example wingers. There’s no point in signing another fifty CDM’s just to play them on the wing anyway.

  • 73 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Indian.

    That can’t be our new strip, it looks absolutely horrendous.

  • 74 NUFC_LEAZES END // May 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    I’m an out And out pardew.BUT, I think we should give him up to mid December to have us sitting comfortably in the top half of the league.

    If we are in the bottom half, then there is a good chance he’ll have us scrapping for relegation again, in which case we should sack him and hopefully bring in someone decent

  • 75 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    kww

    I agree it is difficult to compare perfomance in one league to another but i’m just going off what I see.

    I think under pardew, ben arfa has way too much tracking back (he should defend i agree, but by closing down higher up the field and tracking back at times, not all the time as he has to now).

    Watching him before he came he seemed to just look a better player, its hard for me to say how it’s just everything about him seemed that bit smoother, easier, etc.

    Now i’m not blaming pardew for this, could be the leg break and the injuries he keeps getting since then but i don’t think it’s right to say he has improved.

  • 76 NUFC_LEAZES END // May 18, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    I’m an out and out pardew hater*

  • 77 JTOONJ // May 18, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    TimKrulFan

    Just catching up on all the new threads, and you ain’t half spewing some b*llocks.
    Such as we have only scored 4 goals once, may i take you back to the Southampton game?
    Lots of other bits of rubbish but i know you’re a troll and i cannot be bothered wasting my time!

  • 78 solano // May 18, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Ginger..best just withdrawing your financial support and stop dreaming of ‘jam tomorrow’…your point on the attitude towards the cups actually shows up how bankrupt and devoid of ambition this regime’s ‘plans’ are for this club.

  • 79 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    It annoys me so much reading comments here sometimes.

    When people add to the discussion saying only x, y or z make a good point and back it up.

    The fact is pretty much what everyone says, on both sides of the argument about pardew, have some credit to their points. There are plenty reasons to get rid of him but also reasons for him to stay (not that I want him too, rather we get a manager who can do it than a one who might be able to).

    But for all the stats about him being our worst manager in terms of defeats, etc etc, which are true you can also argue against.

    You could say this is the first time he has had a good squad (since jan) where he has a lot of technical players so it might take him time to get the best out of them and learn how to train and use them prperly. Before us he only had one or two in his squads who were technical.

    Now I want him gone as i’d rather have a manager who knows how to get the best from our boys and not a one who needs to learn how but to say next season will definitely be better or worse is hypothetical and something we will not know for certain until it happens.

  • 80 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Solano.

    In a way, I don’t blame them for not really focusing on the cups. They don’t really bring much money in.

    But how good would it be for Newcastle to win something after all this time? We’d probably all have a heart attack. The sad thing is, we more then likely could have won a cup by now. Just we always get knocked out by the likes of Brighton due to playing poor sides.

  • 81 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // May 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Okay I’m now going to make a point I may not truly believe but it represents a different viewpoint.
    are our players really that good?
    Krul is a Dutch international but isn’t he 2nd or third choice? Also his decision making and distribution are poor.
    debuchy looked good in the euros for France but he isn’t all that good at the defensive side of things. Only slightly better than…..
    santon who is often woeful in defence. The guy needs to either be a winger or work on his defensive game. A lot.
    Taylor has looked solid in the past but often still looks as green as he was 5 years ago making poor decisions and defensive errors. He’s fine in our own box most of the time but when caught on the break he really struggles to make decisions on the fly or lead the line well.
    Tiote is a guy who looked great for a while, some said world class, I disagreed and was slated, but this season he’s been in horrendous form. Left our defence exposed or given away free kicks in dangerous areas. Really hasn’t produced.
    Anita seems like a bettervoption than perch in midfield but only if backed up by a player better at breaking up play as he looks lightweight still. Also while he was our best player in several matches that wasn’t saying much as our form was cack.

    Also people talk about all our French internationals and how with international players we should be much better. I don’t know if anybody has noticed but France have been pretty poor for the last 6 years and nowhere near when they won the world cup and the euros.
    now discuss

  • 82 Novocastrian66 // May 18, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    Pardew is still held in regard by the press and pundits. He has to change his ways. Ferguson’s longevity was mainly due to his success, however his ability to adapt was another important factor.
    I enjoyed last season. Contrary to what a lot of people say on here, there were a lot of good performances. WBA away, Swansea away, Chelsea away, Liverpool home, Man Utd home.
    This season has been a tedious grind, there is only one stand out game for me; Chelsea at home.
    It appears Pardew has convinced the men who matter to keep his job. This is unfortunate, and I’m disappointed but this is where we are.

  • 83 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    nufc leazers end

    I am not a pardew fan. But at the end of the day i have never seen this club win anything in my lifetime and in all honesty I’m not too worried if we never do, it would be nice but I mainly just like to watch us play like a lot of fans do.

    The only issue I have with getting rid of him if results are down in december is who would we get in. Most managers joining mid season are not very good or if they are good want a big transfer budget for january to buy themselves out of trouble.

    So if he was to stay i’d just give him all year, unless we genuinely looked in serious trouble of staying up…but with the current squad i doubt that would happen.

  • 84 saxonfenken // May 18, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    solano and others
    I hope you are going to put £150 million of your money in to buy out MA,
    I remember reading all the vitriol against Bobby Robson when we were a regular top 5 side.
    Contrary to belief, I am not a great lover of Alan Pardew, but I am a realist, we are stuck with him, so for goodness sake letsstop throwing all our toys out of the pram, and get behind our beloved team.

    All you people who know everything what is wrong, how many of you have been professional footballers, manged any team for that matter, other than Fifa Pc games and the like.

    the other day I was quoted ” If I was a Billionaire I would spend” £100′s of millions on the team” what a stupid statement.
    Here is mine If I was the Prime Minister I would ban UKIP” that is the sort of stupidity that is day out and day in quoted on here.

    My plea is for God’s sake let us get behind what we have got, we have not got the money or the power to do anything about it.

  • 85 toon22 // May 18, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    Ok lets say we keep AP till chrimbo ,nothing changes and we continue our poor performances.
    MA decides to get rid.
    Who are we going to get that isnt already at a club?
    Cant see MA wanting to pay compensation.
    And imo the people you would want will be at a club already.
    So it leaves the same as what we already have.
    Either get rid in the summer or plan to keep the whole season,this act alone helps recruit a new boss.

  • 86 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    ginger

    “In a way, I don’t blame them for not really focusing on the cups. They don’t really bring much money in.”

    I really can’ agree with this, a club is not there just to make money. Surely they have to break even or come as close as possible but in no way should a club ever turn a profit. All money should be reinvested into the club (at worst stored for a rainy day so to speak).

    Therefore we should be making sure we attack the cups. We can’t win the league, i accept that, just not got the money to compete but we can win a cup.

    If they worry about squad size, fine, but a the very least prioritize one of the cups.

  • 87 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    Some of you seriously need to get out more

    Some of you will use anything the guys say to have a pop at Pardew

    Does he deserve it, yeah he’s been poor this season and there is no reason why you shouldn’t want him out

    BUT you probably said the same thing in the last post you made 10 mins ago, then the same things in the post made 10 mins before that, seriously get off the blog and do something else for a few hours untill you have something more constructive to say

  • 88 Munster Mag // May 18, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Looks like he’ll be staying so not much point arguing about it. Personally I think its a bloody shame. Taken from some website…..

    However, following the discussions, Pardew now feels confident in planning for next season at St. James’ Park.
    He said: “There’s no uncertainty about my position. I expect to be manager 100 per cent. It was a good lunch.
    “Mike just comes and generally has a chat, says hello to everyone and he thanked all the players for their efforts. We all know it has not been our greatest season but you cannot say we’ve not given 100 per cent.
    “We have and therefore have a better scenario next year and we all have to pull together. That was basically his message. Like all clubs, we will be sitting down again, discussing plans for next year.”

  • 89 solano // May 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    Ginger…you’re obviously a canny and amiable fan but typical of how many NUFC fans have become totally devoid of ambition and conviction. How can you write this..”In a way, I don’t blame them for not really focusing on the cups. They don’t really bring much money in.” – and not get angry about it??
    Footballing giants, Birmingham, Wigan and Swansea have all put trophies in the cabinet when our club has been breeding quasi accountants to make excuses for not competing.

  • 90 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    saxon

    In the past fans have got managers sacked (rightly or wrongly) by voicing discontent and not going to games, hitting the owner where it hurts, in his pocket.

    We do have the power if everyone is in the same boat, fans are split so that won’t happen now.

    But to say we have no say/power is wrong….much more powerful people have been influenced by people in the past…look at revolutions in countries, protesting to get votes, equal rights protests…people do have a say if there is a united voice.

    Now i’m not suggesting we can get ashley to spend 100′s of millions but we can get him to replace the manager and if there was enough discontent then we could push him towards selling up (if happened before, he just never found a buyer).

  • 91 toon22 // May 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    Personally think if we keep AP it might be a good idea to try and get a different assistant.
    Such as Brian Kidd from city.

    As it seems AP defensive training is all the team displays atm.

  • 92 bills-son // May 18, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Transfer – on HBA,

    He might chase back (the odd time) but he doesn’t get blocks and tackles in. The problem is if he plays right he’s got Debuchy behind him who can’t tackle and on the left he’s got Santon who can’t. HBA is never going to ne a winger who tracks back and tackles so if we play him we HAVE to have full backs who can defend or we’ll be wide open down the flanks again next season.

    There is a reason why we’ve conceded far too many goals this season and its pretty obvious – never mind having midfielders who can’t defend, 50% of our defence can’t.

    Fans who accuse Pardew of being negative make me smile – a huge part of his problem is that he plays and encourages poor defenders (Debuchy and Santon) to get forward without having the right players to defend when they lose the ball. There is NO pace at all in our midfield which means we constantly get caught on the break.

    We need full backs who can defend big style next year.

  • 93 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    pupper pardew

    I agree with you….in my eyes we have no top internationals….the only possible one is cabaye for me.

    when comparing us to madrid, barca, man utd, city, chelsea…our international just don’t compare to theirs in all honesty.

    But when you compare us to everton, west brom, swanse, villa, i think we better.

    then teams like spurs, arsenal and liverpool are not much better in my eyes.

  • 94 hugenufcfan // May 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    ffs for once in your life shut the f up pardew. the less you talk the better. how many flipping time have we seen him talk talk talk and then do tthe exact opposite.
    i mean this guy is comical, mental and what else.

  • 95 toon22 // May 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    Teams know if they press us we will crack,we will eventually sit deeper and deeper.

  • 96 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Puppet Pardew’s Brainlessness

    I feel we often overrate our players, but they are pretty good.

    Krul – One of the best keepers in the league aside from distribution.
    Debuchy – Not too fond of him, haven’t seen much of him aside from Euro’s in which he seemed good. Hasn’t looked like anything special.
    STaylor – Makes silly mistakes, isn’t the best of defenders but certainly isn’t the worst.
    Collocini – In my opinion one of the best in the league. Wouldn’t trade him for anyone.
    Santon – Santon is a strange one, he’s excellent going forward and before Newcastle was a great defender. Now, he is pretty good at defending gets scapegoated for a lot of things. He just needs to time his runs better and get back whilst someone covers him until he gets there.
    Cabaye – Once again world class, arguably best player for France.
    Tiote – Pardew has ruined him. Telling him to be careful has completely destroyed him as a player. He was originally world class, probably one of the best at breaking up play in the league. Not so sure now.
    Guttierez – Absolutely abysmal. Does nothing. People praise him for his work rate but I’ll run up and down the pitch, giving away passes and falling over for free.
    Sissoko – Excellent player but played completely out of position.
    Ben-Arfa – Quality player, but needs to work on his final ball. Does too much quite a lot of the time. That’s why his goal and assist tally isn’t further up.
    Cisse – Has scored many goals in a terrible team, has shown he’s quality and if he was in a better team would be one of the top goal scorers in the world.

    So yeah, our team isn’t the best, especially under Pardew. However, looking at it that way even though they aren’t all world class… It’s a better then a hell of a lot of teams that have done better then us this season.

  • 97 solano // May 18, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Saxon… I don’t recall much vitriol against SBR actually – that seems to be a myth that has grown from other fans’ accusations.
    As for running the club, I will quite happily put my proportion of my income in, as I did in 1991 when the first share issue failed.
    I actually believe the club should be 51% owned by a fans trust…much like in those in Germany – where quite coincidentally, many more sensible Saxons than yourself came from!
    Reactionary!

  • 98 toon22 // May 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    @bills-son
    Totally agree AP seems to think our full backs are wing backs.After 10 mins or so of sprinting the full length of the field they are done.That and the fact neither can cross or even have anyone to cross to.

  • 99 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    bills

    I agree santon cannot defend but i think debuchy can. He has done for many years in france and internationally…i think he just needed these 4/5 months to see what the prem league is all about and he will improve nest year.

    I do think pardew is defensive though, I think he struggles to link defense and attack and they are often two separate processes when they should be more linked, if that makes any sense.

    We do lack pace in midfield, which is a massive problem because we play deep. It means we really struggle to get up the pitch on the counter, i’d like to see us player higher regularly, when we do it seems to work…but when we switch off and stop pressing our defense is then massively exposed against pace…so we need more focus to do that.

    Ben arfa’s tracking back is pointless, rarely tackles as you say, so i find it annoying he has to spend so much time back.

    Sometimes you have to accept a player doesn’t defend well and either play him with freedom or not play him…currently he is a square peg in a round hole…but his glimpses of individual brilliance keeps him in the time.

  • 100 Novocastrian66 // May 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    I honestly believe we will not be as poor again next season. My worry was that we would go down this season, football rarely gives you a second chance, mind you Wigan have had 7.
    With any other owner in our club’s history Pardew would be gone. I think he should be for all the reasons that have been outlined for weeks on this blog. He has been given a rare opportunity in football and at this club. A second chance, hopefully he won’t blow it.

  • 101 saxonfenken // May 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Transfer Sage
    I hear what you are saying, and agree, my point badly made was that I do not think Mike Ashley will be swayed by people on this blog
    If Nobody turned up tomorrow that might make a difference, but that is not going to happen.

    I know enough about history to know that people can make a difference, a lot of bloodshed as well, but I just can not see it happening at NUFC

  • 102 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Posters on here have defintely over-rated our players massively (this is not an excuse for Pardew)

    If the players were as good as some of you thought the big boys would have bought them before us or got them from us during the summer

  • 103 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    bills

    I think santon was great under mourinho…he doesn’t pick players just for the sake of it, he likes a solid defence (well he did before madrid made him attack with everyone).

    So he must be able to defend. He is either not suited to the league or is failing for some other reason.

  • 104 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    solano

    I’m only 17 and haven’t been supporting the toon for that long. I try to catch up on the history I’ve missed but there’s a lot of it. I haven’t had the same experience as others who are far older then me and we haven’t won anything in there time. For me, it really hasn’t been that long. So no it doesn’t really annoy me, however I can understand why it’d annoy others who have been supporting the toon for a lot longer then me.

    But to me, I’d rather stay up in the league then go down and win a trophy. Pardew has already proven that he cannot multitask, he can only focus on one thing. So, I doubt we’ll be seeing any trophy runs soon unless we get a better manager.

  • 105 kww // May 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    the key reasons for pardew when defensively weak this season is mainly injuries resulting in often changed back 4 and europa league affecting his defensive preparations.
    most of you spoke of how he trains the squad on defense 4 days a week. that’s mainly the reason the squad hasnt been defending well.

    again pardew needs to learn to be tactically flexible IF he wants to progress and becomes a top manager, that’s using the squad more effectively including dropping off-form players, but then again before January options have been non-existent?

    my take is that given a full squad without injuries, he has given results, that is a fact.
    again i see posts like worst home result in how many years, this are largely knee-jerk posts. in the end it’s just 3 points lost. ferguson’s man u was thrashed at old trafford by man city last season but that does not mean anything. in the end they ran man city to the last day.

  • 106 saxonfenken // May 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    solano
    Wow I am a Saxon from Germany, another piece of utter crap from you, my ancestry if you really what to know is Northunbrian Danish.

  • 107 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Someone said on here the other day that they thought Santon had got lazy due to Pardew always playing Guttierez to baby sit him. Seems a pretty valid reason why his defensive abilities don’t seem good.

  • 108 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    saxon

    Sorry if it sounded patronising, that was not my intention (didn’t mean to imply you knew of no history).

    I agree moaning here does no good, or little good unless it is to rally the troops and get them to make a stand at a game.

    For all the hared to pardew and ashley here i am yet to see a banner at a game like there was for benitez at chelsea, kean at blackburn, fat sam at west hame last year, etc……and i have not seen a protest to get the owner to sell like blackburn and everton did last year.

  • 109 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    @105

    Jesus christ, give it a break man

  • 110 solano // May 18, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Ginger..fair enough, but experience will wear you down and by the time you’re in your 40′s you’ll snap my hands off for a trophy rather than aim for treading water and not competing. Look at Wigan – a truly small, footballing backwater – but immensely proud with a trophy to remember for the rest of their history.

  • 111 kww // May 18, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    given ashley’s blueprint, we should model the squad-building process after arsenal, tottenham and everton, that’s selling players for good prices at the right time.
    arguably last season would have been a good time to sell tiote as he was probably worth at least 15 million with the way he owned rooney when we played man u. we could have invested that 15million into 3 – 4 players and have a bigger squad. but hindsight is always 20/20 isnt it

  • 112 yo-yo // May 18, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    The biggest mistake made at SJP was sacking SBR.
    The mutterings of ‘lost the dressing room’ etc., were pure spite.

    Now Toon fans think they have a divine right to lay into any manger based mostly on their own experience on FM and a stash of misinterpreted statistics, unrealistic expectations as our squad is not world beating, and some dream of returungin tio the days of the entertainers when ….. we didn’t win anything but did lose a massive lead in the EPL.

    Even worse we are now getting the ‘anybody who supports the manager is deluded and can’t be a “real” supporter’ brigade shouting everybody else down.

    Well I just have the uncomfortable suspicion that some of these ‘neggers’ are the same as the guys who shouted down SBR – far too quick to turn on the best manager we have had in the last 25 years..

    We all know Pardew is mediocre. So he ain’t going to perform like SAF or Mourinho. We still don’t know if he is capable of learning from this season. We hope he will or get replaced but we know the owner has a baragain basement mentality.

    We have had a new manager every 18 months for 16 years and have won diddly squat – so maybe, just maybe we’ll do better with keeping the nucleus of the same management though we seriously need to upgrade the coaching and fitness regimes. Kidd would be great imo.

    As it is I’d far prefer to be reading Ginger’s excellent wishlist of improvements we need to make than the other drivel. At least there is something we can base a discussion on instead of gettting into playground insults.

    Repeating the same ‘opinion’ hundreds of times and then pretending it is fact is called the ‘Big Lie’ technique and was developed by Himmler in Nazi Germany.

  • 113 terencelim // May 18, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    @82, “get behind our beloved team”.

    Get the fact right, the fans always get behind the team, it’s the board that take it for granted.

  • 114 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    ginger

    possibly…i find it strange, seeing as our team does sit deep and play defensively, that santon seems to almost have a free role to get forward whenever he likes and never seems to get an earfull for just jogging back.

    Maybe he is just complacent as with raylor injured, he has had no competition for his spot until haidara has joined.

  • 115 solano // May 18, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Saxon..if you re-read what I said, I didn’t actually say YOU were a Saxon from Germany.
    For all I know, you may just be a fan of a late70′s/early 80′s heavy metal band.

  • 116 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Fray bentos

    Excuse me? Care to explain?

    Solano

    But at what risk mate? They’re down in the championship. Sure they’ve got this sparkling trophy in their cabinet, but what’s to say they’ll come back up? Not to mention they’ll be losing their best players.

  • 117 solano // May 18, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    yo-yo…great point on the ‘big lie’ theory. Derek ‘Goebbels’ Llambias has been using the bankruptcy myth since he took over from Chris Mort in 2008.

  • 118 Le Belfast 007 // May 18, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    I f***** new he would blag his way into getting another season like. Oh Mike the injuries the Europa league blah blah blah. Really wish we had somebody in charge of the club who actually new a bit about football, he would defo be out on his ear then.

    So we’ll probably continue with Pardew until Christmas, playing the same way & in the same rut as this season. Then they’ll sack him half way through the season & replace him with some average Joe.

    Instead of just getting rid now, when you could replace him with a far better manager & give him a full pre season with the players.

    Ah well I live in hope that one day they will learn…

  • 119 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    ginger

    but think in 50 years time our club and wigan could be anywhere in any league but them fans will not forget their trip to wembley to see their side lift the FA cup.

    and also it doesn’t have to be one or the other, it could be staying in prem league and winning a cup.

  • 120 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Transfer Sage

    ginger

    I agree, it’s really strange. There’s nothing that infuriates me more then seeing Santon jogging back. Especially when we’re getting hit on the counter and under a huge amount of pressure.

    The competition thing could be right as well. He needs to learn from MBiwa, defensive duties come first. MBiwa has been quality at left back. Timed his runs perfectly.

  • 121 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    People like yourself will always look for anything to have a go at Pardew with, if you want to have a go at Pardew just use the results or the style of football, why use pure rubbish to justify your dislike for him

    Pardew has made Santon lazy, comeon man seriously, how would you possibly know this?

  • 122 saxonfenken // May 18, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Transfer
    no problem, making points sensible always sits well with me.

    While here, I have been fortune enough to have seen Three winning cup teams, in the 50′s, sadly since them a roller coaster ride of what might have been, good managers come and sacked, bad managers destroying good teams, Managers bring in there ha been pals (Dalgliesh) Barnes and Rush and selling top rated players to make way for them, all to often, We have the basis of a great side with hopefully some new additions ( which I honestly believe we are going to get), So come on lets see what happens, or should we get another mediocre manager in who will rip what we have got apart to bring in his own men, I have seen it happen far to often over the last 60 years or so

  • 123 solano // May 18, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Ginger…my point is, we are so much bigger and should be aiming to be so much better. The sad fact is, we are not!
    So, I would take the trophy – even when you’re flying, you always get rival fans rubbing the salt in – “won f*ck all”. The truth hurts, even more so when you get to middle age and you ain’t seen them win anything.

  • 124 Le Belfast 007 // May 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Only positive for next season will be signing Carroll. They we’ll have a focal point for the awful football.

    Woo hoo !!

  • 125 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Transfer Sage

    It’s personal preference really, like Solano said by the time I’m forty I may be eating these words. If Wigan end up staying down though, they may regret it. Never being able to attract really good players or being noticed as one of the top clubs. Or even getting into Europe again.

    The thing is, with Pardew I literally think it is one or the other.

  • 126 Transfer Sage // May 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    saxon

    I may be in the minority with this comment, but for me football isn’t everything…if we lose we lose but if we win it’s good to see but i won’t let how my team do define how happy I am..life is too short for me to worry about football.

    If w do well it’s fantastic, if we play well and win even better….so i would’t take time out protesting, making banners, etc.

    I just think the few here who feel very strongly should do that (if/when they can get to matches, i know we have fans here from all over). Otherwise you can’t be too upset about it. If you want change make it happen.

    If like me you would like it, but not overly bothered, then just sit back and take it easy haha.

  • 127 NUFC FOR SALE // May 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    That picture is definitely our new home top..its not I photoshopped…I know someone at puma and I saw that shirt months ago.
    We normally wear the new top last game of the season but don’t think it will happen tomorrow because of sponsor change.

  • 128 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Fray Bentos

    I never once said I knew that was the reason. Nobody seems to know why Santon has gotten worse defensively since coming here. If you actually read the post, I said someone on here said.

    Now, I fail to understand how this is pure rubbish. Take it you’re playing for another club, one you have no loyalties too. A left winger gets played in front of you that has to cover your runs. So you get to run forward on these dazzling runs, having the fans cheering for you but you know you can go as far as you want because said left winger is covering you.

    You pass the ball away and your team mate gets tackled and your about to be hit on the counterattack. Knowing that this left wing is baby sitting you, you’re obviously not going to sprint back as fast as you can because he’s there. Take for example someone like Marveux covering the left wing, he’s not good defensively so it forces you to run back.

    So, it’s not really rubbish… At all… Instead of snapping at me, you should be more open and take my view into context as well.

    Yes I don’t like Pardew.

    But no I don’t blame everything on him.

  • 129 MosesNUFC // May 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    C’mon guys, the amount of negative people on here is appalling. Finishing 5th in the prem is no fluke. Its about the amount of points you have. We outplayed Man u, liverpool, gave city a decent game last season. GET BEHIND PARDEW AND THE TEAM and as Ed says we can finish top 6

  • 130 Harley // May 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Pardew deserves another crack next season.

    Someone yesterday mentioned Steve Bruce. Can you imagine if that happened, it would be awful.

    Better the devil you know.

  • 131 saxonfenken // May 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Transfer Sage
    It is not a life or death situation, and I agree entirely with what you say. As you know from a post the other day, there are things in life that are.

    Just one thing to the Pardew out clan who call him a moron a twit, a fool, an idiot etc.
    In my mind getting sacked with a few million quid makes him very clever in my eyes.
    Souness is still living off his pay off

  • 132 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    @Giner

    Your 17, half of this blog is probably 17, i really should not come on here, im lowering myself

  • 133 Sack Llambias // May 18, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Beattie / guru monotonous
    Billy at the betting shop has told us of your
    big bets on us to be relegated and Pardew
    sacked. On your stat posts football did exist
    before Sky and the Premiership. You can’t
    hide from your past as you’ll find out.

  • 134 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    MosesNUFC

    To be honest mate, everyone’s behind the team. It’s just the Pardew people can’t seem to get behind.

    Harley

    Steve Bruce would be awful.

  • 135 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Fray bentos

    You’re not lowering yourself by talking to 17 year olds. I’m pretty sure I’m the only relatively young person on here, I think younger people then even me read it but just don’t take part in discussions.

    What has age got to do with anything? Because I’ve proved a valid point after you immediately dismissed my point you feel to bring age into the equation?

  • 136 solano // May 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    For the record..my one accusation of Pardew is that he is a Patsy. It matters not to me, whether he stays or goes. The real cancer remains.
    However, I really thought he had outlasted his usefulness to this rotten regime but now I’m not so sure. The fans seem to be ravenous for more mediocrity.

  • 137 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    No ginger im just taking the piss out of myself not you, you can talk about whatever you want but i have more balanced thoughfull conversation with older people, thats just life although im sure your a very sound lad, your just not my age

    once i finish my work, i will no feel the need to pronasticate and will stop coming on here anyway, i just annoy myself by comong here

  • 138 AndyNUFC // May 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Solano would you be referring to Ashley as the cancer or the fans who wont mind Pardew?

  • 139 solano // May 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Fray…Ginger is 17 in age. It’s refreshing to hear him voice an opinion. Much better than many contributors whose IQ averages 17.

  • 140 John Tudor // May 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    @ 42 pardew was dealt a good hand he is just a shite poker player aswell as a shite manager

  • 141 solano // May 18, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Andy..you know me…fans are not parasitic, just a little naive and easily led ;-)

  • 142 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Fray bentos

    I fail to see how you can’t have a balanced conversation with me. I want to hear your opinions.

  • 143 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    @Solano

    Your right, he does actually seem to have good sense for someone of that age

  • 144 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Solano.

    Thank you. I fail to comprehend his view in the slightest, he’s purely stereotyping me to be a typical idiotic 17 year old.

  • 145 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    Ginger maybe ive tarnished you with a bad brush, my bad

    I just can’t abide with most posters on here, not because they don’t share my opinion but because they have one or more of the following attributes, fickleness, memory of a goldfish,being extremely bias, lack of patience, and most of all the an inability to think about both sides of the argument or realise they can’t possibly know everything

  • 146 NUFCarter // May 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    will player contracts expire on the 1st of june or the 1st of july?

    im pretty sure nufc released a list of players about 1st of june last year.

  • 147 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Anyway many of these posters i believe to be kids and thats why they have these attributes, maybe your not like that, maybe i jumped the gun but your comment sounded like one of them

    Sorry

  • 148 AndyNUFC // May 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Agree with the fans being naive Solano, but to be fair with relegation then promotion, staying in the league then getting Europe, back to fighting relegation, no wonder there is so many emotionally drained fans!

    It will be interesting to see how much of this TV money goes back into the team this summer, or how much we are allowed to with farcical ‘fair play’ rules.

  • 149 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Fray bentos

    I don’t blame you for being like that, but not every blog poster is like that. There’s two sides to every coin and the sooner we all realise that, the better the debates and banter will be on here.

  • 150 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    You also said that Pardew has destroyd Tiote did you not?

    That in itself is quite a ridiculous statment,you have no way of knowing that Pardew has said anything to him to change as a player, at the end of day Tiote is his own man and he is most likely the cause of him dip in form that anyon else, he key fact is that we can’t possible know the key defining reason

  • 151 saxonfenken // May 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Well said fray bentos
    Takes a big man to apologize, all to often I am accused of being an old fart stuck in the past, and know nothing at all about modern football

  • 152 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    @Giner

    Most are on here, i would say somewhere like 90%

    Posters like Transfer, JFA and Ibiza are a rare breed on here

  • 153 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Has anyone seen this video of our Medhi Abeid?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laVS2GYghPU

    He certainly has potential. Although there’s one hell of a difference between reserves and first team, he does seem like he’ll be able to make it.

    Hopefully we get him out on loan to a championship side next season, the sooner the better.

  • 154 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    @Ginger

    Be carefull, don’t watch that video too many time or you could turn into Kets

  • 155 ToonDownSouth // May 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    All this talk of abiding by financial fair play is just embarrassing now.

    FFP only matter if you’re in European competition, and it’s fairly clear that our club’s ambitions don’t quite reach those heights.

    It’s truly ridiculous just how dumb Ashley & Lambias think the fans are.

  • 156 Munster Mag // May 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Billson< I agree. I have said from about 2 matches of his career that Santon cannot defend. I was pilloried for it, but proved correct. Debuchy doesnt look a whole lot better. He is better though – and crosses beautifully. A major problem with the set up at NUFC – created by LLambias and Ashley – is that Pardew is a puppet and doesnt control who we buy. We will have another poor season next year, because the players that would suit Pardew ( defensive full backs, 442, big strikers ) are not what Carr wants. I dont think Ashley cares, once he sees the value of the player increasing. This is a recipe for ongoing relative failure or worse.

  • 157 Munster Mag // May 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Fray you have defended Pardew for ages, if i’m not wrong. But its very difficult to keep doing it. More to the point, his previous history at other clubs would suggest that dull football and lack of trudt in flair is a default setting.. For a defensive coach ( who himself was a defensive midfielder ) , he cant seem to teach the team to defend – not this season anyway. Or take corners. Or score goals. Or batter a team, even now and again.

  • 158 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Fray Bentos

    “There is so much more to come from him if we can get him out of just popping it off safely. When he attacks teams and runs at them, he could be as effective for us as Essien is for Chelsea.”

    Alan Pardew on Tiote. Tiote will never be an attacking defensive midfielder, he is there for breaking up play and getting in crunching tackles. This certainly implies that he has been told to attack more, one of his main faults that he didn’t used to do which causes us to lose the ball a lot.

    I cannot find the other one in which Pardew told the press he had informed Tiote that he needed to calm down, but ever since then he has dipped in form.

    Sure you have to incorporate injuries/ACON/lack of form in the whole team into the equation, but this seems to be more then a coincidence.

  • 159 Munster Mag // May 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Harley, who says Steve Bruce is worse than Pardew??? I dont want Bruce, but besides one high league finish Pardew has nothing in his career that Bruce cant match. And he’s a geordie :)

  • 160 check the toastie // May 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Santon is a great player and yes he isnt a magnificent defender however he is 21 and will improve, think people should focus their petty comments about our super young players on our totally inept useless incompetent manager.

    Santon is a rolls royce of a player, hes that bad a defender AC Milan are after him, for f#cks sake man. Also i just love the way people criticise Debuchy, been at the club two minutes, playing in a team setup to be constantly on the back foot, yes he has dropped a few clangers, however have a look at his career, he is a good international full back and we should be thankful he came to the club.

  • 161 Ginger // May 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Fray bentos

    Ahahaha, people seem to struggle to cope with one Kets on here. Two and I think Ed would shut the blog down.

  • 162 fray bentos // May 18, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    @Munster

    You see your getting the wrong end of the stick here

    I have defended Pardew againt shite on here for ages yes

    But do i think he’s some sort of genius manager, definitely not, i just realise that he knows more than me and everybody else on here and although he has plenty of negatives he has had his positives aswell, i just look at thing in a balanced manner thats all

    In my opinion i believe the owner is the bigger issue but again my opinion means shite really and i have no idea if we could be run better by somebody else

    Would i take Rafa over Pardew, F**K YES, would i take Laurdrup, OFCOURSE. but i just accept that Pardew is our manager and thats the way it is

    Bloggers dislike him and they will make up anything to have a dig, i stand up for him by putting these stupid things down, doesn’t mean i love that guy or think he’s great

  • 163 ToonDownSouth // May 18, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    In five years time, Santon will – in my opinion – certainly be a regular Italian international, playing regular Champions League football.

    So many of the things that Santon is criticised foras a defender, such as being lazy in getting back, and drifting in too much – these aren’t genetic deficiencies! If we had a half decent coach they would simply drill it into the lads brain!

  • 164 ToonDownSouth // May 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    fray

    You get exactly the same response I do haha. I don’t want Pardew to be our manager, but when people make up absolute nonsense for a reason to have a go at him, I can’t help but point it out to them.

    I think I have a brain deficiency that makes me unable to resist arguing with idiots.

  • 165 Joe Blog // May 18, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Alan Pardew must expel all this hot air, otherwise he’d be a hot air balloon, floating in the sky at the whims of the winds, and he frets over heights, so he cannot have that. Sadly, the downside to all this bluster, is that he’s more responsible for climate change than the Industrial Revolution.

  • 166 Munster Mag // May 18, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Fray, fair enough, but saying fans know less is simplistic. Of course he may have been a player , trainer, and sees the players day to day. I’m not saying fans know more than him, but if we are hammering a team and he makes choices for subs that dont make sense, does that mean I’m wrong and Pardew is right. No it doesnt. Are we to say that the West Ham fans who grew to hate him were wrong too? if managers always know more, why is Paul Jewell not at Ipswich still, as an example?

  • 167 Novocastrian66 // May 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    I would be happy to put up with rubbish football if it was a successful formula. Mourinho is lauded on here by a lot of posters but his Chelsea team were terrible to watch. The Chelsea fans love him because he won cups and titles.
    We will improve next season, we have to. Hopefully we will see some bright entertaining football. I think we have a decent foundation and if Pardew is honest with himself and changes the way we play even slightly I’ll be happy. I would settle for playing 20 yards further forward. Long ball or short passing? Mix it up.

  • 168 ITUNDERASHELL // May 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Let me see now, Ameobi out and Carlton Cole in to BOLSTER our attacking options. He has great experience of the PL at the highest level!
    Now then anyone know of a CB with the same credentials?

  • 169 Cisse's Big Toe // May 18, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    were only going one way under pards




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