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Alan Pardew Has One Season To Prove Himself

1:06 pm, Friday, May 24th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 200 Comments

Newcastle gave out many signals over the last few weeks,  that Alan Pardew and his coaching staff, including the popular John Carver would not be fired, and sure enough, we learned yesterday that the management team will be kept in place for next season.

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Pardew and assistant Carver – one season to prove themselves

But after what was a terrible season in the Premier League, with excuses made from not enough players, too many injuries, and playing in the Europa league (that’s an excuse?) – we don’t think Alan will get many more chances.

And it will be vitally important for him and Newcastle to get off to a good start next season, because the last thing Mike Ashley (we’ll not even mention the fans) wants to see is Newcastle struggling against relegation again.

And it was really the final six games of the season – once we were eliminated form the Europa league and we were told things would be a lot easier – that caused Newcastle all kinds of grief.

We lost three successive games at home to Sunderland, Liverpool and Arsenal – by scores of 3-0, 6-0 and 1-0 respectively, and on the road we picked up draws at West Brom, West Ham and a narrow win at QPR.

So that was just 5 points from those final six games – but if we had done reasonably well – say 11 points from those six games – three wins and two draws and a defeat – which was not unreasonable with three games at home and a game at bottom of the league QPR – we would have finished with 47 points in 9th place.

After all in the nine games since they beat Sunderland 3-1, QPR lost seven and drew two – two points out of a possible 27.

So it was after the Europa League when we also had the five Frenchmen available and no games in mid-week where Newcastle – and Alan Pardew – failed badly,  and in that time we scored just 3 times in two of the games, and conceded 12. :(..

So Alan Pardew has dodged a bullet – but now he must perform next season, and convince a growing number of doubtful Newcastle fans that he’s the right man for the job.

We hope he succeeds, because we want Newcastle to succeed.

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200 responses so far ↓

  • 1 stuart no9 // May 24, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    AP Has got 1 season to prove himself ! —- why has he got that long ??

  • 2 Jail for Ashley // May 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Having his nasal hairs removed with rusty pliers is too good for Ashley .

  • 3 toon6toon // May 24, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    I want to Newcastle to actually play football instead of bloody hoofing the ball up the pitch.
    we are not stoke!

  • 4 Newcastle Brown Alien // May 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    if we are 14th or below come december and par dew is still here i will be raging

  • 5 stuart no9 // May 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    repost—–
    the way i look at it now is— pardews got the job.
    Everyone , well not all- are going through a depressive state.If you can just imagine ,that come a monrh or earlier into the new season , we will be in the bottom 3.
    We stayed up through the skin of our teeth and IMO if there had of been another couple of games to play, we would have gone down, however , i dont think the terrible twins will stand for that again .Pardew is on his final warning, make no mistake about that , and ash will rue the day he gave pardew this 2nd chance.
    Ibelieve as soon as we enter that bottom 3 he will be history. I know it will be too late then to get a decent replacement , as good managers will be tied up with other clubs , but at least pards will be gone -and that gives us a chance to go forward , regardless who comes in. Next season is all about survival again.
    We arnt going to win the league- we arnt going to win a cup as pardew will be terrified of playing his seniors , as he will not want them to get injured in a cup game and miss league games.His mission is to stay up – at all costs and try to better 5th place, cups are a hindrance to pards , we shouldnt go for them – the same as europe , who the hell wants europe ? they only cast a dark cloud over our premier league status, so, no europe, no cups , just a year of doom and gloom , and struggle through as best we can, but “if” ash decides to oust or leader the firt time we enter the bottom 3 , we may finish mid table . A dream as far as pards is concerned

  • 6 JAMSHA // May 24, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    Get French Football
    @ GFN_France
    10m
    A Gianelli Imbula update. Guingamp
    want between €6-9m for the youngster,
    which is putting off clubs, notably
    Newcastle and Marseille. #EAG

  • 7 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Ian from previous thread:

    No, you get accused of being you when you pat your own back, write in the same style, and show your personas as having vendettas against those you don’t like, despite never having conversed with said persona.

    You’re sloppy.

    Also, Solano will never be accused of being you, he is much much smarter than you for that to ever be a confusion.

  • 8 Geordie-Exile // May 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    We all have opinions on whom we would like playing for us but some throw names of players around like confetti at a wedding. Some of the suggestions are totally unrealistic.

    Ashley will not spend anymore than necessary to maintain his investment so the pressure will be on Pardew even more than last season. After the meeting in London he was told I am sure what the time frame is for success (league position) or he will be sacked. I think he will fail miserably unless he adopts (with the clubs assistance) a whole new concept of management. I have my doubts but I have been proved wrong before.

  • 9 Munster Mag // May 24, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    Good point Stuart. I can see Pards holding some of the the seniors back in the FA Cup, to keep getting points in the league. That is NOT what NUFC fans want.

  • 10 Le Belfast 007 // May 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    Should be interesting to see how long this “stability” word gets used for, if we’re still garbage next season..

  • 11 beefman13 // May 24, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    A top european coach, is needed if we are continuing with Pardew simple as, carver n co are stuck in a rut, a fresh outlook has to be made completly, new ideas a complete overhaul, of our ciaching set up it is so srale ar rhis moment un time, we are getting out thought and outfought far to often as last seasons statistics verify, its got to have a good shaking.

  • 12 southerngeordie // May 24, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Agreed Stuart – in my eyes, this is simply a stay of execution. We’ll have to come out of the blocks like the clappers or the fans will be immediately on his back. I think even his biggest supporters will be wary if come November we’re hovering around 14th/ 15th place.

    The concern i have is if Ashley is to blind to see the situation for what it is now, how is her going to react when the trigger needs to be pulled and, more importantly, who is he going to bring in???

    Silver linning is Hughes looks like he’s off to Stoke so, that’s one off the sh*t list.

  • 13 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Any way, on topic. I don’t know if Pardew will see the end of next season. Ashley seemingly has little ambition for the club, as demonstrated by the fact Pardew’s job was never in any danger apparently.

    So, it would take something pretty serious to go wrong for Pardew to be sacked it would appear (i.e another relegation battle) and I really can’t see that happening again, he will probably keep us in and around the top 10 and while that might be good enough for Ashley, it’s not good enough for me.

    I do think he could be here for the foreseeable…

  • 14 southerngeordie // May 24, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Pardew’s first excuse of the season: “Well we’re given a tough set of opening fixtures.”

  • 15 southerngeordie // May 24, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    Owning a football club is like running a restaurent.

    Some are prepared to employee the best chefs, serving up steak and lobster. Some are content with a greasy spoon dishing up sh*t sandwiches.

    Under Ashley unfortunately, the menu aint going to be changing any time soon.

    For most fans including me, it’s a tough one to swallow.

  • 16 Geordie-Exile // May 24, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    I think that Pardew is walking on eggshells to be honest. Come November if we are out of the cups or our league position is dire he will go. What worries me more is the replacement Ashley brings in.

  • 17 Hatem's better than Messi // May 24, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Lucky Pardew the WC is looming.
    My dog’s dick could coach us to a top ten spot next season.

  • 18 TimKrulFan // May 24, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Wonder what the excuses will be next season?

  • 19 Toonfan8 // May 24, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    I want to see offer for Lukaku or Carrol…and we also need someone like PEA,Sinclair…hold Collocini,Cabaye,HBA,Santon….then we can be good enough…also use more Anita, he is a vital player, always running, very clever small player…
    Debuchy,Colo,Mbiwa,Santon
    Anita,Sissoko,Cabaye
    Ben Arfa, Lukaku, PEA
    bench…Saylor,Haidara,Williamson,Raylor,Tiote,Bigirimana,Marveaux,Gouffran,Cisse,Perch,Jonas,Vuckic,Ferguson,Campbell,Streete,Tavernier…GK…Krul,Elliot,
    Thats 28 players, more than enough…covering every position…rotating players in 11 can be Saylor,Haidara,Tiote,Marveaux,Gouffran,Cisse,Jonas,Vuckic…

  • 20 JackButler // May 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    ‘Alan Pardew Has One Season To Prove Himself’

    Great headline…………he’s had his entire career to prove himself and has failed…………..can’t see one more year making any difference

  • 21 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Geordie-Exile

    I’m not sure, if he’s in the bottom 3 or bottom 5 by then, perhaps, but I imagine we’ll be sitting around mid-table, playing negative football, infuriating the fans, yet satisfying the owner, who is content as long as we’re in the PL.

    Mediocrity lies ahead, in my opinion.

  • 22 Assam Toon // May 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    pardew is not much of a game changer, no injuries or poor form and he will do fine just by trying not to be stupid. but he is not your against the odds guy, we already saw that.

    in a mid season managerial change we will only have the rejected items. Unless we snatch someone else’s manager. I don’t even remember when we did that. Can anyone tell?

  • 23 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Well said Ed. Let’s get behind Pardew now.

    If we’re struggling in December, then he’ll know himself that he has to go. Get someone new on board to try and refresh things in the January transfer window.

    It’s simple really. But let’s stop the protests now, there’s no point!

  • 24 stuart no9 // May 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    southern
    how is her going to react when the trigger needs to be pulled and, more importantly, who is he going to bring in???

    will ash pull the trigger ? i dont know , who does ? however if he dosnt , i think THAT will be the answer to most peoples question – is he ambitious ? i dont think he is , as he has done nowt to justify that . ok he spent a few bob in jan , but would you call that ambitious? or just a panic spend as he could see himself losing about 70M if we wnt down. – i would say the latter.
    As long as we are doing “just enough” to stay up , maybe mid table , to look a bit respectable .

  • 25 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Bar a few eccentrics, the vast majority of NUFC fans would support the team even if a monkey sporting dungarees was the manager.

    As far as I’m concerned, I will always support the team, regardless of the manager, but I don’t think I’ve been this frustrated at our management since the heady days of Souness. It’s that bad.

  • 26 Canadian Magpie // May 24, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    As much as I have been so up and down on Pardew all season, I think now the supporters must realize that for the forseeable future he is the man in the job. No point moping around like Chelsea “fans” waiting for a change that will not happen. The best we can do now is get behind the lads and try and push them up the table with our support. Its all hands on deck now.

    Check my blog out: CanadianMagpie.com

  • 27 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    Ruddy

    I almost agree with you…but the managerial situation was much when we lurched from Allardyce to Keegan to Kinnear and then Shearer!

    Sure Hughton was decent for us, in that he did his job, but there was obviously an issue there regarding the long term vision.

  • 28 Ultra Mag-ness // May 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Pardew will have a job if or when we lose to the Mackems and are in the bottom half of the table. This means that we’ll have wasted any transfer monies spent and the preparation time over the course of the summer.

    I believe Pardew has kept his job because of the lack of understanding of running a club challenging on more than one front that Ashley and Lambias have. However, Pardew and Carr and Carver (all footballing people) should have installed this into them and forced them to reconsider.

    Everything last season seemed to be a knee jerk reaction after not preparing well enough – Anita the only real signing because we missed out on signing Debuchy – to only not really play that much, no striker but we knew we could lose Ba at any moment (and we did), lost 4 or 5 players in the summer (Smith, Lovenkrands, Best etc) but took until January to replace them even though we had 33% more games.

    Yes Pardew has got the Tactics wrong many a time throughout the course of the season but with such a small limited squad where a lot of the players aren’t good enough or wasn reduced through injury meant the tactics probably had to go the way they did.

    If we start buying players rather than trying to haggle the price down like we did with Debuchy then these players would have been here earlier and we would have finished higher (maybe not 5th like last year) but higher nonethe less – our PL moines were down by £8.8m – finishing one or two places higher would have got usthe extra £1m we didn’t want to pay for Debuchy. Spending the Ba money on Remy or PEA at the start of the season before other clubs became interested could have got us another few million to help repay the transfer fees.

    The Management need to have a serious conversation early and do a proper assessment of who adds value to the team, who can do a job but is likely to be on the periphery for the majority of the season and who is expendable (for me it would be (Simpson if not already leaving) Gosling, Obertan, Jonas to name three but there are more). I feel that there are a few that need to re-capture form or be shipped out next year (Tiote and Taylor). It then needs to be established what positions there are now gaps in and identify two players per gap to fill the void and then persue the number one target immediately and seriously – if the clubs only want £1m more than we want to pay then we pay it so that we can get them in early and prepare them properly over the summer – Fulham have signed two players already given them plenty of time to acclimatise

    If we do this then we will reap the benefits and if we don’t I fear that we will struggle massively next season – our players will want to play well with this being a World Cup season but so will every other player that wants to play so unless we are on top form we’ll have little success

  • 29 Geordie-Exile // May 24, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    With the amount of revenue now in the EPL I will be suprised if Ashley allows Pardew any leaway, whatsoever! Ashley is motivated by money and the only way he will be able to sell the club in the future and recoup his investment is by being in the EPL. He did not become wealthy by being dumb and I am sure he will be quite ruthless should the bottom line be threatened. I am also of the opinion that Ashley hated the style of negative football played last season as we all did and therefore maybe, a new coaching system is in the pipeline.

  • 30 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    Come on…the only managers who have done a really good job for us in the PL are Keegan (1st time) and Robson. Hughton and Roeder did pretty well too, but not spectacular.

    So what makes people think we’d get a better manager than Pardew? Keegan was a one-off and Robson was one of the best managers around.

  • 31 Mister Tuff // May 24, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    I see that Sky are doing a story on Samuel Eto advising Aubameyang to go to Anzhi. Anzhi might be a good destination for those who have more interest in money as opposed to those who want to establish themselves in high level football first.
    If any of you are not aware the French Ligue 1 terminates on Sunday. St. Etienne are currently fourth on 62 points with Lille one point behind on 61 points. St. Etiennes’ final game is against Lille. So looks like it should be a good game with as lot to play for. (both teams could be overtaken by Nice if the game is a draw) Will the result be a factor in what Aubameyang decides to do in that if St Etienne win he’ll be playing CL football next
    season – if he stays.
    So will the Toon follow up their January bid -might cost us a bit more as Aubameyang has been on fire the second half of the season. This lad is a tremendous player -the real deal. Getting a player of this quality in would hopefully send out a positive signal to other possible recruits. Here’s hoping.

  • 32 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Geordie-Exile

    I agree, he’d bite the bullet if we were fighting relegation, but I do believe we’ll get a few players in the summer, we won’t suffer the same injuries as we had this season and Pardew will prop us up in around 10th/11th which is not good enough for us, but will be good enough for Ashley, which will mean he’ll be safe in his job.

    TonnDarnSarf

    Why should we accept mediocrity in terms of management? Why should we accept going from mediocre manager to mediocre manager, given the size of the club we are?

    Don’t we deserve more?

  • 33 stuart no9 // May 24, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    TDS —So what makes people think we’d get a better manager than Pardew? Keegan was a one-off and Robson was one of the best managers around.
    Youve already named 4 off the top of your head. -there are a lot more managers better than pardew .!

  • 34 perchy4england // May 24, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    lads can anyone tell me if pardew is on radio newcastle tonight?

  • 35 Geordie-Exile // May 24, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    I am of the opinion that Ashley will sell the club at sometime in the future as he is in business to make a profit. He is I believe motivated by greed. The better the league position and the quality of players we have will dictate the amount that he will recoup. He has given Pardew enough rope to hang himself but he will not allow him to jepoardise his master plan.

  • 36 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Ruddy – we’d like to think so, but from a potential manager’s perspective where do you think we rank as a club? Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool are all better choices for them in the UK. When you consider top (champions league) teams in Italy, France, Spain, Germany and the rest, we’re quite a long way down the pecking order!

    We need to get real. We’re not going to attract a top manager here unless we have some serious money to spend or until we’re a team regularly competing for the CL. Until that point we need an up and coming manager who can learn and improve into being a top manager.

  • 37 catchy in norway // May 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    the last games where the result of a poor season

    its these game that killed it,,

    nothing todo with tiredness or europe, just poor tactics

    3 02.09.2012 Aston Villa home D1-1
    6 29.09.2012 Reading away D2-2
    8 21.10.2012 Sunderland away D1-1
    11 11.11.2012 West Ham United home L0-1
    12 17.11.2012 Swansea City home L1-2
    13 25.11.2012 Southampton away L0-2
    14 28.11.2012 Stoke City away L1-2

    all against teams around us at the bottom,, first 14 prem matches, defensive tacics in all of them

    what a sad man

  • 38 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    I just cannot fathom the argument that we should stick with Pardew purely on the basis that there aren’t any better managers.

    I’m assuming that these people are talking purely on the basis that there aren’t many managers with the same PL experience. Fair enough, but PL experience doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a good manager, in terms of your playing style and intent in which you play the game.

    In fact, an English manager, with bags of PL experience who refuses to adapt to the modern game can actually be more of a hindrance than a help.

    Continental modern managers have a fresher approach to how the game should be played, they have a more attacking intent as to how the game should be played, so surely, despite these managers not having the same PL experience should be considered as “better” as they adapt to how the modern game has evolved and aren’t stuck in the doldrums of the past?

    I have more appreciation for those who say “we should stick with Pardew purely on the basis that I am scared of who Ashley would appoint in his place.” I don’t trust Ashley any more so I wouldn’t trust who he would replace Pardew with either, but please, let’s not say that there aren’t better managers out there who would be willing to jump at the chance of managing NUFC.

  • 39 catchy in norway // May 24, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    stuart no9

    most managers are better than pardew,, even JFK

  • 40 t00ntime // May 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    Some of the names people are throwin up are crazy.
    Bony wants CL, so not us.
    Lukaku plays for chelsea, they wont let him go best we can hope for is a loan, which we dont do.
    Etc

    We finished around the bottom and dont offer high wages we have to lower our expectation. Even Aub/remy seem farfetched now (rumours that spurs want remy if he is freed)

  • 41 Transfer Sage // May 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    Have you seen stoke fans are complaining about mark hughes going there…why?

    did well with wales, blackburn, fulham….did ok with man city.

    Only failed with QPR, so did redknapp even after bringing in 4/5 much better players in january.

  • 42 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Catchy

    Let’s be fair lad, Pardew isn’t a great manager, but he’s not the worst manager we’ve ever had. You have to be a bit more balanced if you’re going to engage people properly.

  • 43 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Ruddy – but Keegan was a one-off who surprised people. Would you want him back now?! Robson would never have joined us if he wasn’t a Geordie. Hughton did well but in such a short space of time, he can hardly be judged to be better than Pardew, and he clearly didn’t share Ashley’s vision for the club. Roeder? What’s he doing now? He may have done well for us for a while but anyone can have an above par season or two. If Pardew had left early this season, he’d have a great record too!

  • 44 davis_toons // May 24, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    To be real honest, he needs at least 1 season to prove himself.

    1st half of the season – the new players will be playing full season football.

    2nd half will only be more justifiable, for any managers in this scenario.

    ..unless Alan Pardew can’t get the team to improve on their basis football stuff like supported passing, creative set -pieces then the only way is out.

    2nd half of the season is the best time to judge Pardew.

  • 45 Transfer Sage // May 24, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    The Pardew debate is pointless now, he is staying. Not a single person voiced there concern during any game like we used to do with managers we never liked.

    Therefore I think the general opinion online is not reflected by the average fan on the street

  • 46 Geordie-Exile // May 24, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    I agree with your last post and think a young continental manager would be the answer. We are far too often out played by foreign teams who pass and move excellently. At my age I have seen enough of hoof ball to last a lifetime and would welcome a change.

  • 47 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    What you’re looking for is a marquee “big name” manager. I’m not saying we should be looking for managers like Mourinho, or Ancelotti, or in that ilk.

    What I am saying is that there is a vast continent of talented coaches and managers who would prove to be a massive step up in quality in comparison to Pardew.

    If we are scouring the continent for cheaper, attack minded players, why aren’t we doing the same for cheaper attack minded coaches and even a manager?

    Beattie has constantly mentioned young coaches who play the game in the way we’ve been dying to see. Take Jugen Klopp for example, he managed Mainz (I think) before he took over at Dortmund. He was a young talented coach, he played the game in the right way so Dortmund took a gamble on him.

    He led them to back to back titles and has guided them to a CL final.

    These coaches are out there, and many of them would jump at the chance to manage our club.

  • 48 stuart no9 // May 24, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    catchy @ 38 yeah i know , i think you misread my post , i was referring to what TADS said — lol

  • 49 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Ruddy – bringing in a foreign manager would be a massive gamble. Ashley wants stability and gradual progress. You can easily tell that he likes gambling in the casino but is very calculated with his business decisions.

    Our expectation levels are higher than the reality at the club. I know everyone wants what is best for the club, but the grass isn’t always greener. Let’s face it, we should be targeting 7th to 10th place at the moment, that’s where we are.

  • 50 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    stuart no9 – sorry, no 42 was meant for you really!

  • 51 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    I don’t think that a young foreign manager would see leave us in any way worse off than Pardew would have us.

    I don’t think that if we played attack minded football, pressured the ball high, and tried to play pass and move football that we’d be in any threat of relegation, we’d be top 10 at the very least.

    So if that’s what we’re aiming for, then why don’t we bring in a coach to play that way, please the fans, and achieve Ashley’s targets.

    “Stability”? It’s a con word, used by con-men, to hoodwink us into accepting Pardew.

  • 52 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Ruddy – it’s different when they come from another country though. Football here is different to that in Germany, and it’s going to be a learning experience for the manager to adapt. I’m sure we’re looking at managers like Poyet, Martinez etc. but there are plenty that have failed at bigger clubs too.

    Ashley wants stability to sort out the finances at the club and have a solid youth team. He’s not going to risk getting relegated on the off-chance that we unearth a managerial star. He’s just not going to do that.

    On the other hand…he’s not going to risk getting relegated if Pardew gets off to a slow start either. But let’s get behind him. If he does well then we’re all happy, if not, then we’ll be having this debate when we actually have a vacancy!

  • 53 catchy in norway // May 24, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    im not trying to be funny with you or anyone,,, but in my time as a fan, i have him as the worst manager we have ever had, now i carnt really say what it was like before 89, i was 16 and had never been to a match before then, ozzy and jim smith willi mcfawl are the managers i remember, but i couldnt tell you how we played , and i wont try and guess,,

    im basing my judgment only on playing style v the players we have,, and for me, pardew has got a great squad, for me some fantastic players, buthe has no clue how to play them,

    i hate when we score early, it means he will shut up shop
    i hate when we score late, we look like we wont score,
    i hate his subs, if he is trying to win a game, its shola, then moves cisse out wide, but normally he will take of a winger or an attacking player to make these subs,

    i have no clue is jonas is a footballer anymore, he just runs and falls,,

    we dont look like we can pass a ball 5 yards to our own players,

    we dont look fit

    this is why, i have him as the worst manager in my time as a supporter

  • 54 catchy in norway // May 24, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    st9

    lol

    i get it ;)

  • 55 kevymartins // May 24, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    @Catchy as much as we hate pardrew I think every fan on here would take him anyday over the likes of big sam

  • 56 catchy in norway // May 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    TS

    i wouldnd have mark hughes next to a football team,, i think he is shocking,,

    his buys for the clubs are poor :(

  • 57 Geordie-Exile // May 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Kevymartins @ 54

    It’s a close call.

  • 58 Transfer Sage // May 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    catchy

    he might not buy that well, did horribly at qpr. City were difficult, lots of money but no champs league at the time so hard to get the best players in like they do now.

    I think he does a very good job though, much much better than pulis.

  • 59 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Catchy

    It’s your opinion about whether he is the worst manager we’ve ever had, personally I don’t think he is.

    I think Souness was a much worse manager as he dismantled our squad and packed them with awful players, but that’s just my opinion.

    Allardyce had us playing much worse football than Pardew, although Pardew’s brand is not pretty by any stretch of the imagination.

    ToonDarnSarf

    I’ve always got behind the team, don’t worry on that score.

    I’m 100% certain that any foreign manager, with these players in the squad, we would not be any way close to relegation.

    This concept of stability is ridiculous, we’re stable, we’re in a decent position to kick on, but it starts with our primary product – the football!

    If we improve the football, I think we improve the results, develop consistency in terms of our league position, we make more money, we improve the finances etc

    Ashley wants to hover around top 10, which is why Pardew suits him down to the ground.

    It’s this lack of ambition that annoys me.

  • 60 catchy in norway // May 24, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    kevymartins

    i wouldnt,, id have sam, he has a plan at least,,

  • 61 Transfer Sage // May 24, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    catchy

    I see your point on pardew. It may not be the worst football we have seen but it is hard to think of another manager who has played the game in such a way that it suits the players he has as badly as pardew does.

    I really hope he gets his prem league experience players he wants, as I think we lack this. He referred to walcott as he played 250+ games. It’s all well and good but players in early/mid twenties who have prem experience cost a lot .

  • 62 kevymartins // May 24, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    @Geordie-Exile Not for me. Pardrew would be a better football manager as in the way we can play on a good day but big sams positive is he would come out and tell us fans how it is straight up.

  • 63 John Tudor // May 24, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    6 games in 2-3 pts he should be out the door pronto useless is too good a word for pardew

  • 64 Transfer Sage // May 24, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    ruddy

    any foreign manager? pushing it a bit there I think.

    I think we would struggle with martinez as manager equally as much as pardew. Just we would look better a we struggled.

    Neither of them no how to organise a defense.

  • 65 catchy in norway // May 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    im not saying GS is a good manager,, he packed the team with poor players and we were shit,
    just AP has got very good players, and plays shit

  • 66 Lilongwe Geordie // May 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Stability is a buzz word that can be acheived through many ways. To know what Dekka and Mike mean when they say stability would be of more use then just saying the word. Stability can come through personnel, philosophy, system, achievements. It doesn’t have to be having a manager for 8 years.

    Beattie mentioned Paul Clement of PSG a couple of weeks back. Currently Ancelotti’s assistant, but wants a chance to manage in the UK. If Ancelotti leaves, it is likely Clement will to, worth seeing if he would be willing to work with Pardew to help him. Would bring him back to the British game, and make it easier to get work here as a manager, and a ready made replacement if Pardew fails.

  • 67 Geordie-Exile // May 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Lack of ambition and complacency have become
    synonomous with the Toon!

  • 68 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Sage

    Didn’t necessarily mean any foreign manager, although that’s the way I wrote it, I meant that if we got a foreign manager in the door, who played football the right way, we wouldn’t be fighting relegation.

    Tripping over my own thought process :P

  • 69 stuart no9 // May 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    TDS — are you really telling me that there is no better managers than pardew around ?????

  • 70 John Tudor // May 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    ashleys definition of stability
    year on year relagation scares

  • 71 Transfer Sage // May 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    I think there is a chance pardew might improve next year. He has finally been given a chance after his bad season and i imagine been told in no uncertain terms what is expected of him next season.

    He already said he needs players with experience (like walcott, highlighted a decent player not a has been with experience) and said he will bring in a coach to help him and the set up.

    Whilst the odds against him improving might be low, there is a chance he will finally see his problems, or have had them pointed out to him, and it might be corrected.

    We can play good stuff under him, so its not totally alien to him. Maybe after these talks and new coach has input he might see it’s better to play like that all the time.

  • 72 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Catchy

    That is a good point, playing bad football with bad players is really to be expected.

    But playing bad football with technically able players is inexcusable, so you could be on to something there.

  • 73 Abu Qatada - I'm hooked on the football philosophies of Alan Pardew // May 24, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    This Pardew debate is getting really boring now, he is staying end of story. I f you don’t want him you should have been protesting at the club and making voices heard, its no good whinging on here. I personally don’t rate him and I’m happy to debate/read about his lack of tactical nouse but he’s taking over some peoples lives! Football matters but whinging all day on here can’t be healthy the time for action is to react after matches(not during, unless its for his awful substitutions)! Stay back after games voice opinions then in the right manner of course, now is the time for planning how to get Pardew out if things continue to go wrong. But I stress any action should be done in a non malicious or violent manner and all horse should be presumed innocent at all times.

  • 74 kevymartins // May 24, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    @Ruddy Didn’t necessarily mean any foreign manager, although that’s the way I wrote it, I meant that if we got a foreign manager in the door, who played football the right way, we wouldn’t be fighting relegation.

    Sounds a bit like someone like laudrup who imo I would take in a second.

  • 75 catchy in norway // May 24, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Transfer Sage

    first point

    mark H is not someone id have in my club,, i think he just dosnt inspire :(

    2nd point

    bang on, how can the man train with them all week , then leave marv anita on the bench behind jonas, both are better for different reasons, attack or defend

    all i know is my weekends are now free, i will not watch another match while he is there

  • 76 NUFC_LEAZES END // May 24, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    I can’t fcuking wait to see the stadium without that awful red and blue writing on top of the gallowgate!!

    I might put my self on the waiting list, for season tickets purely for that reason!

  • 77 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    stuart no9 – No. I’m telling you that there is no manager out there that we could attract that would be anywhere near a guaranteed upgrade on Pardew. Not at the moment anyway. There are plenty of gambles to be made, but those aren’t for Ashley.

  • 78 davis_toons // May 24, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    Unless Pardew can change or he will never get us to play winning football be it ugly or beautiful.

    Even his “non-technical knowledge” was nowhere near Pulis.

    If Stoke sack Pulis which he did nothing wrong, then Pardew will have to take even greater responsibilities for managing Newcastle Utd.

    Because:
    1. Our players have more class.
    2. We are one of those top earning clubs
    3. We really can’t expect lesser than Stoke.

  • 79 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Kevy

    Imagine what Laudrup could do with the players we have in our squad? Although Swansea went off the boil after they won the League Cup.

    Laudrup had no PL experience but was very highly rated in Spain having done very well with both Getafe and Mallorca.

    There is an arrogance in the PL that we think just because a player or manager has no PL experience that they have something to prove, even if they have done well in other top leagues.

  • 80 Transfer Sage // May 24, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    catchy

    If pardew does improve (not likely i know) and starts getting decent football on a regular basis will you then back him?

    obviously need more than the odd game/half but if it’s every week then would you be happy? even if results weren’t great at first.

  • 81 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Ruddy, we need to be able to consolidate that 7th-10th area for a couple of seasons and maybe sneak into the Europa League. Our wage bills and squads are behind Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool at the moment. Our squad strength and stability is behind Everton’s. At our most optimistic we’re the 8th best team in England. So how about we get that 8th place and then look at ways to get a bit higher.

  • 82 Transfer Sage // May 24, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    toondarnsarf

    Got to disagree..i think we could attract plenty better than pardew, depends what you define a gamble, all are to some extent.

    I agree though that ashley doesn’t seem to bothered as long as the club stays in the league, he has somebody to take the flack for him and that the club is self sufficient so he doesn’t have to spend his own money or borrow off the banks.

  • 83 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    The amount of managers out there that would prove to be an upgrade in style over Pardew would be too many to count.

    They may not have PL experience but they play better football, it’s not as high a risk as you think.

  • 84 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    If people are thinking we should be targeting 4th place, then you’re setting yourself up to be disappointed. I’m thinking top 10 for sure, 8th is decent, any higher is a very good achievement. Cup run though please…

  • 85 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Ahh the old “wait and see” approach. I’ve adopted that stance in the past and I for one am sick of it.

    We’ve waited, and we’ve seen what Pardew can do. We’re just waiting longer and seeing more at this stage.

  • 86 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    TS – Please name some managers you think we could attract that are better than Pardew…

  • 87 NUFC_LEAZES END // May 24, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    I won’t be happy if we don’t qualify for CL

  • 88 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Ruddy – Agree with you completely on style. Martinez has a great style at Wigan. But he’s had a defence like Keegan’s…and it’s got them relegated.

  • 89 NUFC_LEAZES END // May 24, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    TDS

    Nearly every manager is better than pardew.

    Hughton
    Lambert
    Nigel Adkins
    SVEN GORAN ERIKKSON
    So on so on

  • 90 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    Ruddy – we overachieved last season. This season we’ve had a combination of bad summer transfer plans, injuries, half fit players, more injuries, and some bad tactical decisions. We were 8 points of 8th place in the end, the top 7 were out of sight virtually.

    Pardew will be out if we are struggling up to December.

  • 91 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    The Entertainers had a fantastic defensive record actually :P

    I’m not advocating Martinez per se, his style is to be admired, his defending is not, but he’s working with the likes of Caldwell and Scharner, you cannot make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear. With our defence he would do better. I do think he’s overrated though.

    He is one example of umpteen who would be an upgrade in style, and I do think umpteen foreign managers are as capable, if not more so, of consolidating top 8 as Pardew

  • 92 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    NUFC_LEAZES END – Completely disagree with you on all of those!

  • 93 NUFC_LEAZES END // May 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    @TDS

    Maybe I went a bit far with Sven, but the rest are a million miles better

  • 94 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Yes we did overachieve, I’m not using last season as any sort of yardstick to measure this season by.

    Yes, there were difficulties to deal with, but the things that Pardew could affect, i.e intent, parking the bus, subs etc he did not do at all well.

    Had we beat Arsenal we could have been 10th or 11th, sometimes the table does deceive.

    I hope he’s out if we’re struggling, however I think he’ll do what’s required of him.

  • 95 NUFC_LEAZES END // May 24, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Benitez
    Martinez
    Poyet
    Di matteo
    Redknapp
    Holloway

    I would have any of those over pardew any day

  • 96 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Leazes

    Di Matteo? Despite the fact that he’s more defensive than Pardew?

    Poyet? Well the wheels of the “Gus Bus” have fallen off at Brighton, Vicente claimed he was the most ego centric and arrogant man he’s ever worked with, so his man management must be poor.

    Redknapp is a total c**k and wouldn’t want to be so far up North anyway.

    Benitez in a heartbeat.

    Holloway for a laugh! :D

  • 97 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Ruddy – but you’ve got to accept, Ashley doesn’t want to take a gamble with a foreign coach. Loads of them don’t come over here because their styles aren’t compatible, and many that do have failed here. Some succeed, but honestly, if there was a high chance of doing better, why wouldn’t Ashley do it?

    Then of course there’s the high cost of changing over staff, and players. We’ve spent an obscene amount over the years with staff changeover and paying the wages for a player than the new manager didn’t want, while letting him sign some more than suit his style.

    Stability worked for Utd and Everton pretty well, so I’d stick with that model thank you very much,

  • 98 Lilongwe Geordie // May 24, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    TDS,
    Stability worked for Everton pretty well…. So you would be happy watching 11 years of yoyo-ing between 7th and 15th with 1 season of over achievement and one of under achievement and not a trophy in sight?

    Instability in the previous 11 years gained them 2 more trophies, and still no relegations. Moyes did okay, but nowhere near as well as many would have you believe.

  • 99 NUFC_LEAZES END // May 24, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    @ruddy

    How have the wheels falling off ‘the gus bus’ at Brighton?
    He lead them to promotion in his first full season with them, and 2seasons later lead them to the championship pla off semi final.
    I would call that an amazing achievement for a small club like Brighton!!

    I wouldn’t be bitter about redknapp if he came as he is clearly a top manager.

    As for holloway, that guy just cracks me up, I bet he would raise morale if we lost a game

  • 100 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    TDS

    We don’t need to buy new players to suit an attacking style, we have the players capable of playing that style.

    Also, if you change your perception of Ashley then you might get a better view of why he is keeping Pardew on.

    Pardew is one of the lowest paid managers in the PL, if Ashley’s intentions are to just have a top 10 team, then Pardew is definitely capable of that, so why would he fire Pardew, pay his compo, and then hire an ambitious young manager if he believes the current man can do the same job?

    Stability worked for those managers because they are excellent managers. Pardew is not.

    I happen to want more for my club, a better manager, a better playing style, and an ambitious owner.

    As it stands, we don’t have any of that.

  • 101 Lilongwe Geordie // May 24, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    Pardew lasted 4 years at Reading (99-03) 3 years at West Ham (03-06), 2 years at Charlton (06-08), 1 year at Southampton (09-10)…..Why did we have to break the sequence, he should have been gone after 6 months!!!

  • 102 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    Benitez – we’d never get him
    Martinez – defensively shocking. Big risk
    Poyet – novice but promising
    Di matteo – failed at West Brom
    Redknapp – Hell no!
    Holloway – no track record with decent players. Nice guy but not the level we need.

  • 103 JackButler // May 24, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    TDS

    I agree 100% that we need stability at the club, but stability with the right man and not with a man that’s just grateful to have a job in top flight football as there is no stability if the wrong man is in charge as sooner or later he’s gonna be found out, sacked and the merry-go-round will start all over again.

  • 104 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/albion/10428541.Vicente_blasts_Poyet/?action=complain&cid=11622405

    There’s a link quoting Vicente’s views on Poyet.

    Also, look into the e-mail he sent the powers that be at Brighton. He was very critical of the club and seems like he is full of a sense of his own self importance.

  • 105 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Ruddy – if he does what’s required of him then we’ll be in the top 10 and should be pretty happy!

  • 106 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie – we’ve got more money than Everton, and we’re starting at a better point. But we’re currently the 8th best team in England (if you’re being optimistic) and we’ve just had 3 seasons back rebuilding after relegation. I want stability as in top 10 every year and pushing for Europe when we can.

  • 107 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Ruddy – a stable top 10 club would give the opportunity to push on from there and challenge for Europe, with or without Pardew. That will either give Ashley the satisfaction he leaves or the opportunity to sell up.

    The best judges of Pardew? His players. If Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Cisse and the rest want to leave this Summer, then Ashley will sack Pardew as he’ll have lost the dressing room.

  • 108 Transfer Sage // May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    TDS

    I don’t know a lot of managers in europe but i will say the games is see from italy, spain and germany look a lot better than rubbish pardew serves up.

    No reason we couldnt get them, everton are even targeting the porto manager so prem league clubs still have a massive pull around the world.

  • 109 Jail for Ashley // May 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    Ruddy,
    When was the turning point when you thought Mike Ashley lacked ambition for our club.

  • 110 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    JackButler – If Pardew is the many to bring stability and re-establish NUFC as a top 10 club then I’m happy. If he hasn’t improved and we then move him on to get a better manager to take us to the next level then that’s fine too. What we don’t need is someone coming in with massive plans to change things.

  • 111 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    The end doesn’t justify the means.

    Are you saying we should be happy achieving top 10 if we play negative football, purely because we’ve achieved that goal?

    West Ham finished 10th, is this really where you see the club? As no bigger and no better than West Ham (10th), Swansea (9th) or West Brom (8th)?

    Personally I see us as having much better players than all these teams so we should looking to finish above these clubs as a minimum requirement.

    Also, how we achieve this is of paramount importance to me anyway.

  • 112 JackButler // May 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    TDS

    A serious question for you and anyone else that wants to answer.

    Can you see thing’s changing next season under Pardew?
    Or is it only a matter of time before he is sacked and replaced?

  • 113 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    JfA

    When I realised that he was keeping Pardew on. As you know I was on the fence about him, but not sacking Pardew when he had ample opportunity to do so and hire a proven manager with a winning mentality and style that’s when I figured he has no real ambition.

  • 114 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    TS – That’s in different leagues though, with more time and space, and players that are better technically.

  • 115 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    JB

    Not much changing in terms of playing styles, but I do think we’ll achieve better results when we sign a few players in the areas we’re weak in.

  • 116 IPToon // May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    I can hear Pardews excuses for the next season already.

    “Due to the Europa League last season, the team are used to playing on Sundays. It takes time to get used to playing on Saturdays again, Trust me”

    “The new signings will take time to settle and get used to the pace of the English game, we will come good, trust me”

    “I think we have too many fans in the stadium, the players get nervous playing in front of 52,000 screaming fans, its not helping the team”

    “The newly laid pitch doesnt seem as smooth as last seasons. It doesnt help our fast paced, pass and move game. As you know my teams are attacking and like to play on the front foot, the pitch doesnt help”

  • 117 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    Ruddy – I’m saying that I see us as the 8th best team in the league, so that is where we deserve to finish at the moment.

    I’m also saying that I’m sick of the “bipolar” (as Steve Harper called it) nature of this club, where we’re either gunning for the CL or trying to avoid relegation. I’d accept that if we’d managed a few trophies on the way, but we haven’t!

    Yes, I think we should take some steady progress to grow the squad, blood some young players, and challenge that top 7 to get back into Europe.

  • 118 mattnufc // May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    TDS – All subjective.

  • 119 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    JackButler

    I can see things changing if we have the right players fit from the start of the season. But if we’re struggling, then I have no doubt that Ashley will get rid if him.

  • 120 remember69 // May 24, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Ed,
    “So it was after the Europa League when we also had the five Frenchmen available and no games in mid-week where Newcastle – and Alan Pardew – failed badly.”

    While I’m not a strong advocate of AP I can see that adding so many new players with little EPL experience may be disruptive – especially if we have the team communicating in 2 different languages.

    Just playing the devil’s advocate. We know we did well the season before last and it is widely accepted that the squad is stronger so I remain hopeful that with time and the addition of key players (eg strikers) the team will come good.

    Again, to defend AP he can hardly be blamed for lining up a replacement for Ba (Remy) and have the guy ditch us at the last minute.

  • 121 lesh // May 24, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Manchester United coaches Steele and Phelan on their way as Moyes looks to bring in his staff.

    Pardew wants a new coach?

  • 122 cthestars // May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    So, first time poster after being a long time reader of the blog.

    Thought it was worth sharing that I just bumped into Carroll in the car park of the apartment block where I live in the city centre. He was unloading quite a bit of luggage from his black range rover and then headed up to one of the flats.

    Might be nothing, but certainly interesting.

  • 123 LooneyToon41 // May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    @48Toondarnsarf. Finally some common sense! A top ten finish should be what we expect, and we should HOPE to be knocking on the door of Europa/Champions League qualification/winning a domestic trophy while at the same time balancing the books, BUT…

    Are we EXPECTING to make top 3? top 6? Crazy. Realistically to finish 7th means ousting at least one of Arsenal,Spurs,Liverpool or Everton. It’s possible of course, but i don’t EXPECT it.
    As for ambition….jees…there’s a fine line between ambition and stupidity. Just ask QPR fans..

    Don’t get me wrong, we SHOULD have strengthened last summer after finishing 5th, and in a position of er.. strength… that was a mistake.

  • 124 Lilongwe Geordie // May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    TDS,
    I get that, at the start of last season I think 8th-10th would have been realistic, anything more a bonus. Same again next year, top 10 is a realistic aim, if slightly unambitious. But as you say, we will be going into our 4th season since coming back, and we have no right to think that the rest of the premiership is inferior.

    However, is Pardew the man to achieve what you want, top 10 every year, and pushing for Europe? That sounds to me like accepting mediocrity, I’m not saying that is what you want, but that is how that sounds to me. Yes, top 10 next year, but continual progress and building on our previous years achievements. Say top 8 the following year, top 6 so on so forth. Whether Pardew can achieve top 10 next year and top 8 the following year is debateable. I’d say yes to top 10, not sure on top 8 and highly doubtful of further.

    So in my view, he would need replacing next year or the year after anyway if we are to progress. Why not appoint a highly ambitious young talent who could potentially take us further, and entertain at the same time.

    Anyway, we have Pardew for now, and while I may not agree, he will have a clean slate for the start of next season. Hopefully he can prove me and many others wrong, by learning and improving. Time will tell

  • 125 JackButler // May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    TDS Ruddy

    The reason that I wanted him replaced is simply down to the fact that I don’t believe he can get us playing as a cohesive team as he fails to get the best out of the players by failing to play to their strengths.

  • 126 LooneyToon41 // May 24, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    @115ToonDarnSarf.. again. Thank you… phew.
    We should HOPE to challenge the Top 7 and EXPECT to finish Top 10.

  • 127 lesh // May 24, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    remember69 – the point with Remy was that he should have been signed before a bid came in for Ba. It was obvious he’d be away sooner rather than later.

    Any comments Mr Llambias? Perhaps he could let us know why we waited for Ba to be moving before moving for Reme?

  • 128 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    Looney Toon

    Who thinks we should be top 3? Or even top 6 on a regular basis? I think you’d be hard pressed to find many fans who genuinely believe this.

    Ambition doesn’t just come in the sense of where we finish in the league, it can come in the way we play the game.

    Liverpool didn’t finish higher than they did last season, (although got a higher points tally) and didn’t win any trophies this season although they won one last season, but I think you’ll find that they play much better football this season, and as such are better placed next season to tackle the top 4.

    While I don’t think we’re anywhere near that level yet, we should be addressing the football first, not after achieving relative stability.

  • 129 LooneyToon41 // May 24, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    @121 Lilongwe. There’s nothing wrong with your ambition, but we also have to be realistic.
    Last time i checked Liverpool and Spurs both had ‘exciting young managers’ and both had DOUBLE the current revenues of NUFC. To therefore EXPECT a bright new NUFC manager to overtake AVB/Rodgers in the EPL is a big ask. We can be optimistic of course…

  • 130 LooneyToon41 // May 24, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    @125 Ruddy. That’s a very fair point, and one that i haven’t read on here. If ambition equates to ‘style of play’ rather than league position, then i’m 100% with you. Top 6 (and maybe top 7 – depends on Everton situation) is just a huge ask next year imo.
    Better style of play…. that’s different.

  • 131 Lilongwe Geordie // May 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    Looneytoon,
    Yep, you said it, they both have exciting young managers, neither particularly proven in the EPL so why shouldn’t we go down that route instead of a man who is looking increasingly weary by the day?

    As we have proved with some of our astute signings, having the cash doesn’t necessarily mean you get the right players. If you don’t believe me, check with QPR fans, or Liverpool fans who witnessed the arrival of Carroll and Downing, or even Borini and Joe Allen. So the revenue issue is by the by, it can help, but only used wisely.

    To be honest, I’m not fully against Pardew, but we will have to upgrade at some point, so why not at a stage where you are picking up the pieces, instead of when you have established something to be dismantled.

  • 132 Lilongwe Geordie // May 24, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Looney,
    I was also talking about building over several years, there is no reason at all why we couldn’t catch those two in the next 5 years if we build in the right manner.

  • 133 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Just to clarify, I am not saying that I want Pardew to stay for the next 7 years, playing this style of football, and just getting into the top 10 every year. That’s fine for some clubs, but not for us.

    I’m saying that I want to see us consolidate as a top 10 club. If Pardew learns his lessons and we kick on to challenge the top 6, then great – we’ll have a very good manager who knows our club really well. If he doesn’t, then we’ll get someone who can take us to the next level.

  • 134 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 24, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    lesh
    What’s the odds Manure Utd don’t win the premiership next season.

  • 135 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Looney Toon

    I’m certain that Pardew won’t provide us with the style of football that many of us are longing to see, but some will be content if he manages to achieve top 10, and consolidate.

    In my mind, I’d rather sign an ambitious, young foreign manager, possibly finish outside the top 10 and play more fluid pass and move football and provide a springboard to move forward, than achieve top 10 playing Pardew’s brand of “football”

  • 136 kevymartins // May 24, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    @Charlie could you blame the odds with a team like city breathing down their necks.

  • 137 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    Ruddy – the reason not to replace him now is that the whole club is in the state of being rebuilt from top to bottom. If the players are still behind Pardew and the owners are still behind Pardew, then there would need to be a pretty serious reason to get rid of him.

    Putting in a young promising manager is a risk we shouldn’t take at the moment. I’m sick of our manager turnover, it costs a damn fortune and it increases the player turnover too.

    Ashley believes Pardew is the right manager to deliver that stability, if he doesn’t grow with the club and the team, then he’ll be out.

  • 138 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    Looney – nice to have an ally on here! I feel like I’ve been fighting a lone battle this afternoon!

    And I’m with anyone about the style of play. Pardew apparently signed Cabaye because he wanted him to be the fulcrum of the team. Unfortunately when Cabaye is injured or off-form (which has been a lot this season), there doesn’t seem to be a decent plan B…

  • 139 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 24, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Kevy
    I don’t think they will end up in the top three unless they buy big.
    also
    if struggling I can see them sacking Moyes by Christmas

  • 140 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    You repeat “cost a fortune” yet I don’t think there is much indication that it would cost that much.

    Pardew, Stone and Carver would be due a severance worth one year’s salary, we can afford that, we’re a multi million pound business for goodness sake.

    The only risk that is at stake here is any potential relegation, one that I don’t think we’d face if we played the right brand of football. Also, Pardew almost got us relegated us this season, so if you’re worried about risk, Pardew’s management has shown to carry this risk as well!

    Also, don’t think for one second that the likes of HBA, Cabaye, Marv,Anita etc would rather play for Pardew than play for a manager who actually made use of their skills.

    He may be a good man manager but surely these players would rather play football the right way, with the right intent?

  • 141 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    TDS

    Also, even with Cabaye in the team, there doesn’t even seem to be a decent Plan A…

  • 142 Lilongwe Geordie // May 24, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    TDS,
    Would you employ a poor builder to lay the foundations for anew house, and then get a top one to do the 2nd floor, or would you want the good builder in to oversee the entire project? That is the way I see it.

    Pardew may consolidate top 10 by playing a more direct unattractive style. Then when we look to kick on we bring in a manager who likes to play fluid football. We then have to start again anyway.

    Swansea started with Martinez, who developed the passing fluid style there, then as they hired new managers they hired those that had the same style, ideals and philosophy. As such, they have stability.

  • 143 Mister Tuff // May 24, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Looking back over the last few weeks I am now of the opinion that there probably never was a “review” of Percys’ tenure at the helm. It was probably a hopeful invention of fans who had no faith in Percy hoping that his performance was on the “review” list but in reality it never ever was.

  • 144 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    Ruddy – Bringing in a new manager may require the hiring of an entire backroom team. So firstly there’s the severance of the manager and his coaching staff, then there’s the compensation payments to new staff who are under contract, plus signing on fees etc.

    Then there’s also the highly paid players who the new manager “doesn’t fancy” so they get shipped out and have to be replaced.

    They would need to find a manager who shares Ashley’s view of how the club should be run. Does the new manager want Carr to focus on France? Does he feel that he can get success without signing a few late 20s experienced players for good wages?

  • 145 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie – No. But I’d employ the builder with the unattractive style to do the foundation and make the building solid before hiring the builder and interior decorator with imagination to make the house attractive and one that people want to live in.

  • 146 outsidethebox // May 24, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    most of the fans want…. new ideas and better organisation on the pitch …a new coach with new ideas could do this …most of the fans want better defenders and better strikers ..lets wait and see …bookies have toon to finish 8th ..i would imagine if the signs are that this dosent look likely ..ash will act sooner rather than later…because of fairplay rules expect more loans this year… problem will be moving deadwood out

  • 147 GeordieInSunderland // May 24, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    I can’t believe we have kept Pardew. I am wondering whether its worth being in the bottom three to get rid of him. As mentioned my concern is all the decent Managers like Benitez will be in a job. This as our one and only chance to get someone in like him and we have failed. I in reality don’t want to see our team lose so hope Pardew proves me wrong. If he isn’t up for the cups then why the hell do we bother as we are never going to win the Premier league. I am sick of the ile that comes out of his mouth day after day.

  • 148 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Kevy
    Infact not in the top 4
    My top four:
    1st Man Shitty
    2nd Chelski
    3rd Arsenil
    4th Spuds
    5th between Manure Utd, Everton and Liverpuddle
    and us 8th with a bit of luck

  • 149 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Ruddy – you’re right. I don’t think Cabaye has been great this season. But that’s partially because he hasn’t had Tiote protecting him properly, and he hasn’t had players ahead of him who are on great form. Last year We had Ba on fire, and then when he tailed off a little, we had Cisse and Ben Arfa on fire instead.

  • 150 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    GeordieInSunderland – get real! There is no chance we could attract a manager of the calibre of Benitez unless we promised him a massive transfer kitty.

    We are simply not operating in that league at the moment.

  • 151 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    Charlie – agree we’re gunning for 8th this season and better would be an excellent achievement. But Man Utd 5th to 8th? Errr….no…

  • 152 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Any attack minded manager would come in, look at our players and think:

    “I like Cabaye, HBA,Debuchy, Anita, Marveaux, Krul,Colo, Santon because these guys play football the way it is supposed to be played”

    Out of our current 11, the two most at risk would be Jonas and Tiote. Are you saying we cannot afford to move these players on? Behave.

    Managerial changes cost money, it’s the nature of the business. Transfers for players cost money too, making the claim that because hiring managers and backroom teams is expensive then we shouldn’t do it, is almost as ridiculous as saying that we shouldn’t sign players because it is expensive.

    Sure, we don’t need to upgrade on Jonas, or Willo, or Shola, but just because we don’t need to, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t.

    Speculate to accumulate, that’s the way I see it.

  • 153 kevymartins // May 24, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    @Charlie if we get it right this season we could finish above everton imho I can see them falling apart without moyes.

  • 154 Lilongwe Geordie // May 24, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    TDS,
    Ha, fair enough on the metaphors.

    But like said, if we bring in a manager with a different style we will have to rebuild regardless. Better to do it now while we are at a low, and do it properly, then to be made “solid” before having to restart with a different philosophy.

    Anyway, it really is completely academic now. Hopefully Pardew can prove that he is able to change and adapt. If he can’t and Ashley peddles him mid season, then we really will be knee deep in the brown stuff. So, I’m hoping that he proves me, and many others wrong.

  • 155 GeordieInSunderland // May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    Toondarnsouth why not we have the foundations of a good team we just need a decent manager to get the best out of them and who knows something about tactics. Benitez is looking ideally to stay in the Premiership and if we didn’t have a manager would be the biggest club looking therefore ideal for him. He’s not going to go to Everton because of the Liverpool connection and he ain’t going to Man City and certainly not Stoke.

  • 156 Spoof // May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    Ruddy
    I believe we should be top 3, and certainly top 6 every season, although we are being ran as a small club, we do have the potential to be in those positions, the fact that we have an owner and to many a manager who couldn’t get us their, shouldn’t allow us from targeting it, if we the fans lower our expectations and our demands then all we are doing is allowing Mike Ashley and co to give us what we are currently getting, to easily, I admit that I am as guilty as the next man of making like too easy for him by just accepting what is not even second best, but I am wrong in doing so and we should demand more, as we deserve it, I do believe that some of us, no one more than me, need to have a look at ourselves, just a thought.

  • 157 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    Ruddy – “Speculate to accumulate” is the language of a fan and not a successful businessman when it comes to football. It’s pointless suggesting that Ashley should do that when his business history suggests otherwise. He makes clever tactical decisions to grow his businesses.

    We should only change manager when we either have to (they leave or clear underperformance), or there is the opportunity to get a clear upgrade to what we have. Sure if Mourinho, Benitez, Wenger or Ferguson said that they fancied a different sort of challenge then I’ll pack Pardew’s bags myself!

    Ashley is trying to make Newcastle United stable. He won’t risk relegation because it added another £30M to the debt.

  • 158 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    Spoof

    We don’t have the resources of Man United, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs or Liverpool.

    We need a solid foundation being led, it’s just a lot of us differ on the basis of this foundation. Should it be consolidation with Pardew, or experimentation with a new ambitious attack minded coach?

    It’s elementary, given the fact that Pardew has been given next season in charge, and while I believe we have the infrastructure, if used properly, to push for the top 4 in the medium-long term, I do think we have a lot of ground to make up before we look that far ahead.

  • 159 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    TDS

    Benitez was available…

    We’ve gone with Pardew. I doubt we ever even talked to Rafa, he was never considered. Pardew was always going to be in charge for next season.

    Speculate to accumulate is a tried and tested business model, it also works in football when utilised correctly.

    We’ve been shrewd in the market for players, nothing to suggest we couldn’t be shrewd if we applied the same approach to a new manager.

    Ashley is only concerned about off field profits, not on field success. We’re deluding ourselves if we think otherwise, that reason, and that reason alone, is why we’re stuck with Pardew.

  • 160 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie – it’s not just the first team that needs to be solid though. Instability with relegation or huge costs destabilises the business model of the club with knock on effects to the youth team and other infrastructure.

    As you say…it’s academic now, and people should stop speculating about other managers. If you’re wrong then you’ll be happy because we’ll be top half at least. If you’re right, then we’ll get a new manager.

  • 161 GeordieInSunderland // May 24, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    ToonDarnSarf I hope you are right because I am fed up watching the dross he has served up this season and don’t know how he will win me back after the Sunderland disaster which in my opinion was worse than when I was at the play off debacle. I feel he is in a similar position to Steve Bruce after the 5-1 he never won that lot back. I always give any Manager of ours (and we have had a few in my lifetime) a chance but I never liked him from the start. I need to get in the right frame of mind for next season to try and support what he is doing. It will depend on the players we sign and I am there to be proved wrong but getting a goal and sitting back is not the way to win football matches or fans over

  • 162 Lilongwe Geordie // May 24, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    TDS,
    But we risked relegation this year. He doesn’t always get his business decisions right either.

    Both are gambles. Does he stick or twist. He has decided to stick. We have no choice but to see how it plays out now. Unless Markaccus wins the lottery tonight…

  • 163 ronjohno // May 24, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    So Alan “useless and clueless” Pardew is to be given another chance to ruin us.
    Unbelievable.
    The man is a liability and should not be allowed to continue¬ What ell does he write in that bloody notebook ? whatever it is cannot serve any useful purpose. My take on it is that it must be a shopping list – dozen eggs,bacon,milk.
    He is so inept and not worthy of our team

  • 164 Lilongwe Geordie // May 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    TDS,
    I’d rather be wrong as losing the manager halfway through the season would be even worse.

  • 165 Spoof // May 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Ruddy
    I’m not too sure about the resources m8, Ashley may well penny pinch, but that’s out of desire and not neccessity, I’ve just been thinking about my own views, how many times have I said that we should keep Pardew because we won’t get anyone better, but then I thought about it and I was disgusted with myself, why the hell should we not get anyone better, we deserve it, and I am now really annoyed at myself for allowing “that man” to rob me of the passion and desire that I hold for the club.
    Its pathetic, he is running us as a small club, and we have allowed ourselves to adopt a small club expectation, we need to give ourselves a shake.

  • 166 GeordieInSunderland // May 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    While he is getting 50,000+ at every home game why should MA care. Problem is like many others I have signed up to the ten year scheme so don’t want to give that up therefore have renewed next season. But if anymore of the same dross is played next season and he continues to stay even though it pains me to say it I may just jack it in.

  • 167 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    Spoof

    Well, while Ashley is in charge of the club, I don’t think we will see much change, perhaps gradual, slow progress, in the Everton mould of “nearly men”, solid top half side, but as for genuine ambition? Not going to happen, I’m nearly sure of it.

    We can speculate about what we’d love to see happen at NUFC, but as long as our owner treats us a small fry club, the rest of the league, sponsors etc will see us as just that too.

    I know what we can achieve, but I’m realistic about what we will achieve

  • 168 toonarmydownsouth // May 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    NUFC_LEAZES END
    1 hr, 12 mins ago
    @ruddy

    How have the wheels falling off ‘the gus bus’ at Brighton?
    He lead them to promotion in his first full season with them, and 2seasons later lead them to the championship pla off semi final.
    I would call that an amazing achievement for a small club like Brighton!!

    I wouldn’t be bitter about redknapp if he came as he is clearly a top manager.

    WHAT????
    He’s been suspended by the club due to his conduct

    The players absolutely hate him

    His is a terrible man manager ( confirmed by the players) who installs no off field discipline, which is probably why they have had 5 players charged with serious sexual assualt on the eve of a game

    He lost that play off semi final to there fiercest rivals who had an injury ravaged squad

    And if you truly believe that in the lower leagues Brighton are a small club you are unbelievably mistaken, the finances they have had pumped into there club over the last 5 years are phenomenal to the point that they are concisdered as heavily under achieving by not gaing automatic promotion

    I know ppl don’t want pardew but c’mon ffs you can’t just use opinion on other managers and suggest it as fact

  • 169 catchy in norway // May 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    TS

    no simply no

    i didnt just decidebi dont like him as soon as he came to us, like nearly everone else, i expressed i didnt think he was any better than C H, thought id give him a chnce,

    for me it was about the 6th game of last season, we were still unbeaten, but the team shape was all wrong, wingers not prducing anything, our goals were free kicks or long balls to ba
    obertan and jonas, for me played horible , but still got picked,

    the football is the same as it was last season, and if he dosnt think rhats the problem, it will never change in the future, he had players all season that could have made a change but never used them

    i recon he will be gone before xmas, new player hype will only carry him so far in the new season,

    the crowd will turn on him, it will get ugly

  • 170 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Benitez has been successful when spending a hell of a lot of money and would also demand a huge salary and contract as befitting his status as the winner of multiple trophies.

    He’s the kind of manager we should have if we’re going to make a real push to get into the CL, and we all know that Ashley isn’t going to risk that.

    Once the club is stable and self financing, then it would be the time to put a bit extra in and see if we can get to the CL.

    Don’t forget, Shepherd’s incessant pushing for the CL led to relegation and we would most certainly NOT have been promoted if it wasn’t for Ashley bankrolling us for a season. Instead, we’d have had to sell or release most of the players that got us promoted. Nolan, Smith, Colo, Barton, Enrique, Duff, Simpson, Jonas, Carroll, Harper would all have been offloaded. Then we’d have struggled like Leeds, Portsmouth, Wolves etc…

  • 171 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    GeordieInSunderland – I completely agree on the style of play. It’s been so frustrating to be dominant, then leading 1-0, then let it slip.

    He simply must have learned from that this season.

    That’s why I’d give him a few months to show that he’s learned. He can’t be a stupid man, so he must be able to learn his lessons.

  • 172 Spoof // May 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    Ruddy
    and sadly the top players will also see us that way, its a vicious circle, but sadly I now get the impression that Ashley is winning the war, we have lost our fight, remember the Championship season, he wouldn’t even come to the City, never mind the stadium, don’t get me wrong, I’m not advocating riots or any hostility of any type, but we are sitting down like lost lambs doing and saying nothing whilst he earns money from us whilst serving us this dross, shame on all of us

  • 173 toonarmydownsouth // May 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    Ruddy
    People keep talking about rafa, do you honestly think he was even considered? Do you honestly think we would assemble a wage packet and offer a transfer kitty tempting enough to attract a manager who’s just won a European trophy and has top 6 clubs from every division clamouring for his signature?

    Pardew is on £450k a year, lets be realistic here rafa was a pie in the sky as every other suggestion

    Ppl can blame pardew til there blue in the face, there’s only one man responsible, the one writing the checks and whilst he’s in charge if ppl think we’re going to go and snare a top European manager I think there very very wrong

  • 174 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie – if it gets into December and we’re looking more like relegation candidates than top 10 certainties, then he’ll be gone, it’s as simple as that.

    Changing manager can be risky, sticking with the manager can be risky. Football is a risky business, because there are so many factors involved, including luck.

    We had quite a bit of luck last season, we were winning matches when not many people could say we deserved to. This season, not so much luck. Injuries, too many key players off form, no youth players coming through properly, Cisse’s disallowed goals…

  • 175 nufc786 // May 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    This is from a liverpool site yes…
    but this is a great bit of tactical analysis…
    now imagine our players playing with this system

    http://www.thisisanfield.com/features/superb-tactical-video-analysis-of-liverpool-6-0-newcastle/

  • 176 GeordieInSunderland // May 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    Normally once the season has finished I can’t wait for the next one to start. Those last three games knocked it out of me and now its a case of whatever but if we had brought in a Benitez I wouldn’t be able to bloody wait. Now I reckon as his big gob as already said we could lose some of our big players he’s already planted that one with us just in case it happens so won’t be his fault of course.

    He needs two decent forwards someone creative in midfield De Jong maybe and a decent winger. He then needs to start playing players in there rightful positions Sissoko for one. I would forgive him for selling Tiote and he needs to shift out Obertan,Gosling and Ameobi probably both of them.

    Then I may start to think we will be okay.

  • 177 nufc786 // May 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    http://www.thisisanfield.com/2013/01/explaining-the-4-3-3/

    another great video

  • 178 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    I’ve heard about Pardew’s salary being about £500kpa. But I’d stake plenty of money on it that that is his basic salary and he’s heavily incentivised with bonuses. That was the excuse Nolan used when he left, he didn’t want that kind of contract for a captain.

    There will be huge bonuses for positions, cup runs, European qualification etc.

  • 179 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Tads/Spoof/JfA/Solano/every other Ashley critic

    You’re right. While we have an owner, who is hell bent on penny pinching, in charge of this club, we will see mediocre manager follow mediocre manager. We will see cut price option favoured while the ambitious option is rejected. We will see our top players baulk at this lack of vision for the club, and subsequently move on to pastures new, while the ever moving conveyor belt of cheap continental players will keep motoring ever forward, instilling the illusion that we’re scouring these markets to improve…when in reality we don’t want to pay top dollar for top players.

    My eyes are opened now. Pardew will no longer be the focus of my angst, it will be directed squarely at the fat controller, who has perpetuated this mediocrity, and will continue to do so until he rolls out of town.

    Sad really.

  • 180 Sazzer // May 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Monaco gave Porto a lot of money today. Is it our turn next?

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/gallery/gimages/image/predicted-monaco-first-xi-for-next-season-includes-clichy-cabaye-lampard-moutinho-tevez-falcao

  • 181 GeordieInSunderland // May 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    ToonDarnSarf. Lets hope he’s learnt a lot from this season because if he hasn’t we can only get worse not better.

    I hope he hasn’t lost the dressing room which is being rumoured because if he has then players may want to leave Cabaye for one. Look at what Di Canio is doing to the Mackems he’s going to need a whole team because he is rapidly losing that dressing room which is great.

  • 182 toonarmydownsouth // May 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    TDS
    It may very well be but could you see a CL class manager being happy with a salary that paid a below PL average salary and a heavily bonus laden contract??

  • 183 toonarmydownsouth // May 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Sazzer
    They paid €21 mil for moutinho, If they offered that for cabs I think we’d sell tbh

  • 184 Sazzer // May 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    20 m £ bid on it’s way.
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/305306

  • 185 cyprus // May 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    Are the odds for first manager to be fired out yet?
    Di Canio looks like a sure bet, so I guess not mush there in terms of winnings.

  • 186 Sazzer // May 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    Ashley will say that they will get Cabs and Debuchy for 30 m £.

  • 187 Sazzer // May 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    nufc786
    Nice vid.

  • 188 MacToon // May 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Looks like since Ashley’s shown his hand alot more people can see his apparent (lack of) ambition for our fine club. It’s about the only silver lining regarding going into next season with Pardew at the helm.

    Still, we can always live in hope of better to come and feed on our jam tomorrow for the foreseeable future.

  • 189 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Right lads, I’m in a deflated mood now, understandable I suppose. But hey, as long as we’ve got our health and NUFC is still in the PL then things aren’t too bad.

    The sun is shining here, might go for a few jars tonight, and I’m sure we’ll endlessly discuss our great club between now and the start of the season.

    All the best lads, have a great weekend! :D

  • 190 Rooster // May 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    20 million for Cabaye is going to be very hard to refuse, that said we would not accept any other clubs first offer, I reckon we could get upwards of 25 million for Cabaye, especially if it is from money bags Monaco, I have to say at this moment I would take the money if offered, but it has to used and not just banked or someone of promise for 6/7 million.

    Yohan is a very good kid as we know but Pardew is playing him to deep and it is affecting his performances consistently in my view.

  • 191 John Tudor // May 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    @175
    IMAGINE
    pardew coming up with this analysis or even posting his crap negative hoof ball

  • 192 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    GeordieInSunderland – if he’s lost the dressing room I promise you, he’ll be gone.

  • 193 Ian Toon // May 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    Transfer Sage- @70 &80. I sense your now resigned to Pardew being the manager at the start of the season. Its naive of some to think that a new manager would not want to put his own mark on the team. For a high profile newcomer maybe change but as we have broadly agreed Ashley is not going down that path. As well as buying his own players a new manager also sells or moves on some of the previous managers buys which inevitably is at a loss. This re-shaping is often wholly unnecessary. We bought half a side in January and are still bedding them in. The Arsenal blue print, structure was being followed and under Wenger such wasteful policies do not exist. It’s longevity but with consistency and stability which we should follow. Wenger has done a remarkable job when many wrote him off. Pardew deserves to be judged after his team has had a chance to perform at it’s optimum level. That’s after a pre season and a fully assembled squad with new signings before pre season training starts. Allied to which a new coach for first team and academy. Then no excuses and a full assessment at the end of October. The style of football is ultimately determined by good players. It’s the same players who have to work on undertaking a pressing game. I do favour a complete overhaul of the coaching staff at the academy, under 21′s and at senior level. We do not want a recycled failed premiership manager. I previously had mentioned Steve Round if not found a key role at Everton. With our squad a top young European coach from France, Holland or Germany would be ideal. Someone of sufficient standing to replace Pardew in October/ November if the team under performs. We need to be proactive rather than reactive. I know it’s not Ashley’s style but I sense that Pardew has received a message that he’s in the last chance saloon. This should make for an interesting few months.

  • 194 ToonDarnSarf // May 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    toonarmydownsouth – Nope. But the only reason a CL class manager would join us is if we paid a gigantic salary with a huge transfer kitty.

    We aren’t a CL team, so we can’t attract those managers otherwise.

    An incentives laden contract is not a bad idea. Keeps the costs down if we don’t perform, and gives the manager extra incentive to do well and pay for his hair gel and suits.

  • 195 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Coincidental timing…?either way I’m not going to bother.

    Ok, really off now, this blog has a crazy hold on me :P

    Adios!

  • 196 John Tudor // May 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    a bag of rancid chips is better than pardew

  • 197 Rooster // May 24, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    tads, its fair comment, 20/25 million for Cabaye would be hard not to take, he is a bit of a complex character by all accounts which has shown in his up and down performances this season and his depression related problems, he has his big pal debuchy here of course who I feel will come on for the time he has had here, its only acouple of hours to say ,Monaco? he could just wiz across to see him, im sure he would not have to worry about the airfare price would he.

  • 198 Readingmag // May 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    We will do better than this season – Yes – cannot get worse….with a good wind between 8 and 12th.

    The French lads will be moire settled.

    Pardew should have learnt a little more.

    He’ll be gone by xmas if its going trippy….

  • 199 Rooster // May 24, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    Readingmag, Pardew has learned more no doubt, but will it sink in he is such an ego driven stubborn bugga, he will not want to be proved wrong.

    Yea injuries come and go like all teams know, but if we can bring in at least three quality players this season at least and then only sell the deadwood, unless daft bids come in for some of our better players which have to considered by MA, because it has been stated many times we are run as a business so any offer will be looked at, but anyone wanting to buy one of our better players will have to in my view pay a kings ransom for them.

  • 200 toonluvva // May 24, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    Nothing is going to change next season.

    No flair players or decent strikers bought in summer.

    Still the same odd tactics, players out of position and baffling substitutions from Pardew.

    The approach will become increasingly negative as results go against us.

    By Christmas really in the mire. Pardew will concentrate on league so no chasing cup glory.

    Pardew still at helm on January 1st but no money to spend. January 31st still no player over the line.

    Llambias will back Pardew until the end of the season regardless of our league position.

    No decent manager will touch us with a bargepole even if Ashley went down on bended knee and we will be lucky to survive.




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