Can Alan Pardew Replicate David Moyes’ Success?


Goalkeeping coach Andy Woodman has been interviewed in the Newcastle Journal today, and he cites that case of Davide Moyes at Everton, being a similar situation that has happened with Alan Pardew at Newcastle.

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Andy Woodman – Newcastle’s goalkeeping coach

This is some of what Andy said today:

“I think we’ve got a fantastic squad and team spirit, we really have.” “I’d like to think that got tested on the outside, but on the inside it made it even stronger, which was really good to see.”

“It wasn’t a surprise to us, but we could just see the guys get stronger as a team in terms of spirit. I think it’s really exciting looking forward.” “I remember a few years ago when Everton had a season in 2003-2004 like we’ve had, really tough.”

“And the season after they came back a stronger team. With one or two new players put in the mix with this team we could really – hopefully – have a season like our previous season.”

We had reported back on May 13th that Alan Pardew had started his career at Newcastle much like Davide Moyes did at Everton.

David had a good first full season followed by a relegation struggle in his second full season.

In  2003 Everton were 7th top, and the next year they finished 4th bottom and avoided relegation only on goal difference – and Leicester City went down as the 3rd bottom club .

In the next year – 2005 – Everton were 4th top and above Liverpool in the league tble, and the rest is history, as Moyes had a wonderful career at Everton, and has just been appointed manager of Manchester United – one of the plum manager jobs in all of football.

Everton finished 4th bottom and then 4th top in successive seasons, and Newcastle have so far finished 5th top and then 5th bottom in successive seasons.

And the big question on Tyneside is if Newcastle can rebound and finish around 5th top again next season.

It’s certainly possible.

Alan Pardew has started his career at Newcastle in the same way Davide Moyes started his career at Everton – we just hope that Alan Pardew can finish in the same as Moyes did.

Here’s hoping, for Newcastle’s sake.

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205 comments so far

  • JAMSHA

    May 28, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #1

    sick of pardew topic… i wana see players we are linked with

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  • martoon

    May 28, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #2

    I’m sure many on here will say no chance as Pardew does not have the ability and tactical awareness of Moyes. However I’m pretty sure if you looked at Everton fan sites around the time they were 4th bottom then Everton fans would be equally as disparaging about Moyes so you never know! 😉

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  • Toon-Prodigy

    May 28, 2013 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #3

    Santon,

    Do you think Colo will stay then?

    I think Simpson, Obertan, Gosling will be moved on and Colo will go home.

    I think decent bids will come in for Cabaye and Ben Arfa.

    The Carroll rumours are interesting. Brendan Rodgers really wants that 15 million to re-invest back into his squad.

    There is a chance Carroll maybe forcing Liverpool to sell him back to us. Clever on Carrolls behalf if true. Rodgers deffo dosn’t want him at Liverpool next season and he will have plans for the 15 million he is worth

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 28, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #4

    Torq,
    Yeah, that is the way I read it as well.

    On this story, was Moyes a success, people/media keep repeating this, but it still doesn’t hold water. Moyes was there 11 years, won zip, nil, zero, nothing, nada.

    In the previous 20 years Everton won 2 top flight titles, 2 FA cups, 5 Charity Shields, and 1 European Cup Winners Cup.

    Moyes record is mediocre at best, and what we have established on this blog is that most aren’t happy with that.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    May 28, 2013 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #5

    Moyes success?

    Mid table most of the time, second best to Liverpool.
    No cups … nada … zilch … success?

    Pardew sucks, Championship level manager.

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  • Graeme

    May 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #6

    The similar results is where any resemblance ends though. Moyes has his players organised from keeper to Number 11, they have discipline in defense, through mid-field and into attack. They work, as a TEAM.

    Pardew has probably the most skillful squad of players since “The Entertainers” and hasn’t a clue what to do with them; there is no cohesion, no game plan. There doesn’t even appear to be any desire, which is a disgrace.

    If ANY manager could fail to get such a squad working together as a team, to deliver a decent performance, week in, week out, they should accept the fact that they are really not cut out to be the Manager of a FOOTBALL Club. They are in the wrong job.

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  • Joe Blog

    May 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #7

    No, it’s impossible, because Moyes hasn’t had success.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #8

    Would anyone take Skrtel from Liverpool? Solid whole hearted defender with a few years experience. 28, so slightly above the age bracket, but by no means past it. Could work well with both Yanga and Colo, and a definite upgrade on Taylor and Willo.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #9

    Graeme,
    You are right, the similarity stops there. Pardew has won more silverware than Moyes….. 🙂

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    May 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #10

    lilongwe

    Strange we both posted the nada zip zilch thing. I hadn’t read yours.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 28, 2013 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #11

    Moyes biggest success was lowering expectations on Merseyside

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  • martoon

    May 28, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #12

    Lilongwe Geordie @8 – Yes I would take Skrtel – good experienced defender as you say and I would imagine he would be within out salary structure as well.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 28, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #13

    Hatem,
    Ha, yeah right…copier! 😉

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  • Beattie25

    May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #14

    Everton Starting 11 for most of the season in 2003-04:

    GK – Nigel Martyn
    RB – Tony Hibbert
    CB – Alan Stubbs
    CB – Joseph Yobo
    LB – Gary Naismith
    RM – Steve Watson
    CM – Tobias Linderoth
    CM – Tomas Gravesen
    LM – Kevin Kilbane
    CF – Wayne Rooney
    CF – Thomas Radzinkski

    Newcastle Starting 11 for most of the season 2012-13

    GK – Tim Krul
    RB – Danny Simpson
    CB – Steven Taylor
    CB – Fabricio Colocinni
    LB – Davide Santon
    DM – Yohan Cabaye
    DM – Cheik Tiote
    RM – Papiss Cisse/Sylvaiun Marveaux
    AM – Moussa Sissoko
    LM – Joans Gutierrez
    CF – Demba Ba/Papiss Cisse

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  • Santon03

    May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #15

    Toon Prodigy

    Colo will stay.

    Obertan maybe the same case like Xisco, best option probably loan with option to buy, so far he has convinced nobody to buy him.
    Gosling, I don’t know what happened with him, why he hasn’t play much. I saw him only on Europa games and he was doing great job imo, best probably loan him.
    AC will be great option to have as long as pardew will play others at correct positions to support him otherwise it will be long ball from the back all the time hopefully Santon will be pushed forward.

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  • sparky55

    May 28, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #16

    Very funny ED…replicate Moyes success??/ hahahahaha that’s really good and has cheered me up no end this morning!

    No1 Pardew and Moyes should not be mentioned in the breath as far as ability goes…Moyes in ten times better the Pardew

    No 2 What has Moyes actually won in 12 years at Everton? Nada.

    Therefore if Pardew is even half the manager Moyes is, Pardew will win nothing and that’s exactly what we’ve got…a manager that will never even win a game of tiddlywinks at premiership level so long as I’ve got a whole in me @rse

    My only solace is Pardew will of course be sacked in the not too distant future and the party food has been ordered for that day of celebration…in the meanwhile it’s more bollox…more bullish!t, more excuses and no success whatsoever.

    The only thing Pardew replicates is himself preening his silver locks in the mirror.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 28, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #17

    Martoon,
    Stories of him being tempted to leave Liverpool, with Rogers focusing on centre halves in his recruitment. I think you are right, he wouldn’t be too pricey, and we should be able to cope with wages.

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  • sparky55

    May 28, 2013 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #18

    GRAEME @6…bang on the money mate…he hasn’t go a clue and the squad is wasted on him.

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  • croftus5678

    May 28, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #19

    do you do these blogs just to get the “pads out crew” talking ?

    we have had some good debates on here over the past few days where people have brought something usefull to the conversation.

    now you have reminded them they hate pardew and we will be hearing this again for another 4 weeks 🙁

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  • davis_toons

    May 28, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #20

    Stoke is aiming for top ten as well.
    We are in the same league.

    ..but first we have to beat Hull and Cardiff. Both are Big Top clubs that we have to beware of.

    Why do we have to beware of Hull?
    – They will get their 1st win against us.

    What about Cardiff?
    – They will break their club record of scoring the most goals against us.

    Not forgetting top notch sides like Sunderland and Wigan.

    .but..didn’t Wigan just got relegated after their 1st taste of winning the FA cup?

    Yes, we will meet during the Cup runs and they will eliminated us.

    But as Alan said “It for the sick of our own good”

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  • Indian Magpie

    May 28, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #21

    Lilongwe Geordie

    You think Liverpool will sellus anything at going rate after carroll blab by Llambias

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  • check the toastie

    May 28, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #22

    Alan Pardew = David Moyes.

    My God. Somebody save me from this nightmare.

    Alan Pardew = Useless c#nt

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 28, 2013 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #23

    Indian,
    Rogers has to sell to boost his transfer funds, so if they are keen to rebuild, and Skrtel is surplus to requirements, then yes. Particularly if Carroll isn’t off their books quick. If they want to cut there nose off to spite their face, then they might hold out, but I view it unlikely.

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  • SupaToonKid

    May 28, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #24

    We must the intellects amongst the Newcastle fans on this blog as the fans interviewed by Sky and Sky Tyne & Wear can’t see how tactically inept Pardew is. They all blame our players and defence especially and they buy into all Pardew’s stupid excuses. Steve Harmison’s interview said it all: “Talk of Pardew getting sacked is ridiculous, he got us to Europe”. – Yeah Steve and he nearly got us relegated if we’d not been lucky vs hapless QPR. It’s obvious Pardew overachieved for 5th and his true level of near to relegation is his level. We have international talent managed and coached by championship level manager & coaches. That combination does not work and this club will not achieve until MA upgrades the staff to match the playing personnel.

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  • sparky55

    May 28, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #25

    Never mind croftus…you obviously like backing the underdog….you are of course entitle to back any losing cause you like but those of us that can see the writing on the wall are entitle to our opinion as well…and that’s wot makes blogs so wonderful…so sorry you have to put with us pardew haters but it’s all part of the fun don’t you think?

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  • Beattie25

    May 28, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #26

    Did anyone see one of our former (supposed) transfer targets has found a new club?

    Aurelien Chedjou has signed for Galatasary for £6 million.

    Good deal that.

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  • SupaToonKid

    May 28, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #27

    *be

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  • croftus5678

    May 28, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #28

    theres 2 + points in going for skertal from liverpool !

    1 is we would have a very good prem league player.
    2 is with liverpool losing carragher and then skrtal how weak would liverpools defence be meaning we would be catching them up prem wise.

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  • mindshaft

    May 28, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #29

    Simpson is a free agent and so is already gone
    We need somebody to actually bid for Gosling and Obertan, think they’ll sit on books until contracts run out as no doubt would both have to take a wage cut elsewhere

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  • sparky55

    May 28, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #30

    croftus…wot makes you think pardew would play him as a centre half!

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  • stuart no9

    May 28, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #31

    The only way pardew can follow moyes – is by taking over everton! hahaha

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  • stuart no9

    May 28, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #32

    croftus @ 28 Why would we want to sign a player who couldnt keep a 35 year old out the ream ??????

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  • stuart no9

    May 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #33

    i meant — team.

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  • Toon-82

    May 28, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #34

    I think Pardew will ask Mike to go all out for Ricky Lambert!!

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  • Beattie25

    May 28, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #35

    SupaToonKid

    Newcastle United fans are single handedly the most moronic, deluded and simplistic fans I have ever had the misfortune of knowing.

    That doesn’t apply to the entire ‘Toon Army’ but there are a lot of fans that are so stupid it’s unreal.

    I’m not talking academically or in terms of education but purely withing terms of footballing knowledge they are just daft.

    I used to get angry by them, now I just try to laugh it off and turn my fury into shame and embaressment at the people I share the club with.

    I’m not saying I’m the paragon of all footballing knowledge but I know when what I see is shite and I know enough to know what is wrong with the club because its glaringly obvious.

    Oh well, some people are born into dysfunctional families and have know choice but stomach it.

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  • croftus5678

    May 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #36

    @25

    i’m was not for or against pards before i knew he was staying i had pro’s and cons but after going through them 3 times on the blog i felt it way to repetitive

    ofc now i’m a full on pards supporter and will do everything i can to cheer him on this season as i’d never want my team to not do good in any part.

    but then i can see the forest for the tree’s and listen to what others are saying about us because i understand a fans opinion can be very biased.

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  • sparky55

    May 28, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #37

    No purples coming to the toon this summer…why the fcuk would they for christ’s sake…that’s three have turned us down and it’s not even June yet

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  • Beattie25

    May 28, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #38

    Croftus

    Why would signing a player from Liverpools bench weaken them when we ould then arm them with cash to go out and find a better player.

    They have something called ambition and signing Skrtel wouldn’t then make them weaker.

    They don’t sell a player and not replace them, that’s our trick.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 28, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #39

    Croftus,
    They have brought in Toure for Carragher, and want the Greek lad from Schalke in as well. Not much of a weakening in my book, but I get your point. Would definitely strengthen us.

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  • davis_toons

    May 28, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #40

    Yes stuart, by the look of things, Everton now have got an immediate like for like replacement.

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