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Is Management Stability A Good Thing – It Depends

10:15 am, Tuesday, June 4th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 30 Comments

There’s been a debate after the season ended among fans, about whether Alan Pardew should have kept his job at Newcastle, after the team experienced a dismal season and finished 5th bottom – but still above Sunderland.

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Alan Pardew – has a season to prove himself

And here is a poll we have out on the site with a majority thinking Pardew should have been fired.

Was Ashley Right To Keep Pardew As Newcastle Manager?

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People point to Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger and David Moyes as three good examples of teams who have had success because they stuck with their managers.

But they only stuck with their managers because they were successful, and if they hadn’t been they would probably have been fired.

We think the problem Newcastle have had since 1997, when Kevin Keegan left the club after five great years in charge, is that the club didn’t give their managers enough time to get going.

The managers since Kevin Keegan in 1997 have been Kenny Dalglish (18 months), Ruud Gullit ((12 months), Bobby Robson (5 years), Graeme Souness (17 months), Glenn Roeder (15 months), Sam Allardyce (8 months), Kevin Keegan ( 9 months), Joe Kinnear ( 6 months due to heart condition), Alan Shearer (3 months), Chris Hughton (18 months and Alan Pardew (29 months and counting).

So with out last 11 managers, nine have lasted 18 months or less, and only Bobby Robson and Alan Pardew have survived longer than that, and the current manager is under extreme pressure.

Few could argue that all those firings were justified, and they’ve happened when both Freddy Shepherd and Mike Ashley were running the club.

And it’s very expensive for any club to keep changing managers, because of having to pay contract termination fees, and also managers come in and want different players – and that leads to significant churn in the transfer market.

In the cases of Alex Ferguson and David Moyes they both had poor starts at Manchester United and Everton respectively, and both Boards were patient with them – and of course they went on to have great success.

Arsene Wenger hit the ground running in 1996, and has had Arsenal in the top four in every single season he’s been at Arsenal, but that hasn’t stopped him being under extreme pressure over the last few years – because he hasn’t won anything.

We wish Newcastle had been in the top four for the last 17 seasons. :(

Mike Ashley has stuck with Alan Pardew, mainly because of his great success in his first full season on Tyneside – and we’ll have to wait and see if Alan goes on to have great success at the club.

For the sake of Newcastle United we certainly hope he does, and we think he deserves a season to prove he’s still the right man.

What do you think?

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30 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Indian Magpie // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    ED we are stable

    While others are running past us

  • 2 TorqToon // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    t’s ok lads, Carlton Cole and James Tomkins are in advanced talks with NUFC. A 3 and 4 year contract respectively. Also talks of bringing back Zog for a fee of around £4.5mil with add ons.

  • 3 SupaToonKid // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    It’s good to be a stable club when you sustain a point of success under a good manager who will be able to maintain a top 8 finish and aim to achieve more but when your manager is tactically unstable and relies heavily on luck, then stability is not the right decision.

  • 4 Indian Magpie // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    Blanc and Garcia Bothe linked with ROMA

  • 5 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:27 AM

    Hello all,

    So what’s going on in the world of NUFC?

  • 6 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Of course stability is a good thing. Make the right appointment and then stick with it. Fergie, Wenger and Moyes have all had rough times that would have led to the toon army calling for their heads. It’s about time we accept where we are as a club and try to get some gradual progression to be where we’re capable of getting to.

  • 7 scout // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:29 AM

    Carlton Cole would be a decent replacement for Shola, lets keep it sensible. I’m pretty sure Tiote will go allowing Anita regular game time hopefully alongside his pal de Jong

  • 8 lesh // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Torq. It’s good to see our behind the scenes work’s going to dividends. Now, all we need is Xisco in as lead striker!

    And, given your recent insights into transfer activity, it’s clear that you’re part of the smokescreen making team!!

  • 9 lesh // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Gday Ibiza.. In answer to your question, nowt!

  • 10 SuperShearer // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Torq! Please say that’s a joke. You’re often a man in the know on these things so to say that without at least an exclamation mark fills me with dread.
    Afraid I agree with Shearer on this one though. Pardew has just about earned another chance till at least early Dec of next season. If he’s not in the top half by then it’s time to say good-bye.
    The reality is we massively overachieved last season and underachieved this season. We should be somewhere in the middle, 10th is about right but would hope to be 7th or 8th. We can’t compete with the big spenders, we should be competing with the likes of Everton, Swansea, etc. If we’re not above teams like that by Dec (barring them having amazing starts) then look to replace AP.

  • 11 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Lesh….Why am I not shocked? :)

    Torq…What’s going on? Full of sarcasm today? He says hoping…

  • 12 steinhof // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Garcia Bothe, is he that South African lad?

  • 13 Munster Mag // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    I think people are putting the cart before the horse. Success breeds stability, not the other way around. Alex Ferguson had broken Ranger / Celtic and beat Real Madrid in Europe with Aberdeen – he clearly had ability. Moyes managerial talent was signalled years ago. Lets not start talikg about Pardew in the same vein as these, in the name of a stability argument. If stability was evcerything, Ipswich would not have appointed Mick McCarthy and thus improved fast – they would have stayed with their useless previous manager, and probably have been relegated. Just an example.

  • 14 lesh // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    Why you not shocked?

    Because you’re a man of the world who can readily take life as it comes. Time for another beer?

  • 15 Rotonda heights // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    swansea and chelsea don’t seem to have a problem changing managers and having stability.

    torq

    please tell me you’re joking

  • 16 geordiefromthemidlands // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    This is getting a bit much now.
    We don’t know what’s going on but this BS speculation from newspapers has got everyone spooked. Unless big bids come in our top players will stay. All this doom and gloom is crazy. Yes the football style isn’t right. Yes pards messed up this year and also the players are accountable. Tactics didn’t make Santon have a mare against benfica. It didn’t make cisse run offside or the whole team to give the ball away. Just because we were open about debuchy doesn’t mean our transfer policy is out in the open. Remember we still have the best scout in the business effectively our Director of Football. Last season was awful. But this season is a blank canvas. We will see how a fresher squad and the new boys with a preseason gets on.. that said I want Cabella, a decent cb, lens and bony.

    Rant over.

  • 17 TorqToon // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    It was of course very tongue in cheek…! Just seems that people thrive on negativity on this blog at times!! Sorry lads. :-)

    Behind the scenes…things ARE happening and you can trust me 100% when I say that we WILL strengthen this season. And with quality! A big name not been leaked to the papers has come to my attention today. And we have made our official first approach.

    Cant say an awful lot just now, bit he couldn’t be any further from Cole and tomkins!

  • 18 lesh // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Must be busy today Ibiza.

    Could it be the time if the day when the bikinis are parading themselves in front of the office window?

    What a life – it must be hell out there!!!

  • 19 IPToon // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Management stability is a good thing – BUT, only when the fans, the players and the majority of people associated with the club believe the right person is in charge and are happy to support them fully, even when results arent too great.

    If you can see that performances are good, players are giving 100% but we cant quite get the results, then you everybody would be more than happy to stick with the manager and try to solve / tweek the issues to get some results.

    BUT – when results arent going our way, performances are shocking, the football is shocking and the manager blatently comes out and lies to the fans to try and justify poor performances and his decisions, instead of being honest, fans are reluctant to stand by the manager.

    The problem i think most people have is that because of the constant lies and bulsh*t, almost belittling the fans, people now actually personally dislike Pardew.

  • 20 geordiefromthemidlands // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    Torq your optimism is a rare ray of light on an otherwise bleak blog. Don’t let ppl grind u down. Give us some key ring banter. Even if its not likely to happen ala Pea

  • 21 Rotonda heights // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    we have an absolutely fantastic squad and we had ba for over half a season too.

    Only someone like pardew could lower expectations to such a level with players like Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Colo et al

  • 22 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Hi Munster…See the Pardew / stability debate is still as healthy as ever.

    I do believe there are varying opinions of stability vs success which differs person to person.

    I think for many fans, they would deem success to be a consistent top 6 team, who push for top 4. Can’t argue with that.

    For a PL club, relative success would be a consistent top 10 finish, pushing for a EL place either via league standing or domestic cups.

    The latter is a somewhat easier target and perhaps the more realistic, given the clubs slow and steady approach. Can Pardew, the lowest paid manager in the league (the last time I checked), achieve that? So far has over and under achieved, but I think it a reasonable argument to say that is exactly his level…mid table ish.

    We were a complete and utter joke up until we got relegated.

    I think many would have taken a few years of mediocrity, rather than the constant embarrassment we had become / were becoming.

    I have always viewed Pardew as someone appointed to try and steady the ship, achieve the top 10 stability, try and build a reputation.

    That is either with the aim to then push on or for Ashley to sell once he had a product that people wanted to buy and he could recoup his money, as quite clearly they didn’t before.

    Anyway, still too early in the summer to get a feeling as to what will unfold. Wake me up when September comes calling.

  • 23 jazzyp // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    torq.
    its not nile ranger is it lol

  • 24 TorqToon // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Geordie – I always stay positive mate! You know me!

    Just struck me this morning that I feel sometimes people HOPE we sign these awful players in order to be proven right!

    Like last season, some bloggers (same old name’s) were almost gunning for relegation to have their points re pardew and Ashley etc proven correct.

    Baffles me…! Yes it’s only natural to get negative on our situation at times….but ALL the time????

  • 25 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    Lesh…I have been really busy and not much beach / bikini action yet :(

    Why am I not shocked? Nothing to do with Newcastle shocks me anymore…well and truly beaten into submission.

    Torq…Glad to hear it. Was just about to run a hot bath and get our the rusty razor blades.

    Let us know what’s happening when you can.

  • 26 croftus5678 // Jun 4, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    @torq

    unfortunatly all 3 of those would improve our team atm lol

    tomkins is actually a really good defender
    insomnia would be a breath of fresh air on the wing
    and cole is 100times better than ameobi >.<

  • 27 David B's Toon // Jun 4, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Alan Pardew may have played our players’ people out of position when the team starts to struggle. When a team is in a rut, managers tend to pick players they think they can count on. Unfortunately this can be a manager’s biggest downfall. Fans tend to forget that footballers are people. Some players like Joey Barton/Bellamy etc will always put a shift in. Other plays will hide and just not be mentally up for the fight.

    We know our captain is not happy! And Demba Ba wanted out: two main influences in the squad. Jonas does give his heart drive and passion, if not skill. The season before, Jonas’ efforts were a major factor in our success. A complete contrast to the season just gone.

    First of all we have to look at why Pards made such poor Decisions. There is probably a combination of lot things. When a team is in a rut, managers tend to pick players they think they can count on. Unfortunately this can be a manager’s biggest downfall. Fans tend to forget that footballers are people. Some players like Joey Barton/Bellamy etc will always put a shift in. Other players will hide and just not be mentally up for the fight.
    We know our captain wants out. Demba Ba got out! Ben Arfa was on his sick bed for most the season. Cabaye is suffering from depression. Jonas gives his heart: drive and passion, if not skill. The season before, Jonas’ efforts were a major factor in our success. He will run and run, but he lacks the technical and intelligence aspect. He can’t cross the ball, he can’t see the through ball, he will run himself into an ally, or he will make a bad pass and give the ball away (which on a few occasions lead to goals against us).Williamson, will put a shift in, but his technique and vision are poor and he gets caught out. I can see where Pards was coming from with them, but if it isn’t working, regardless, he has to change it and not force it (but he refused to reinforce in the summer).

    In Jan we seemed to rectify our problems by deepening the squad. But things should have been done, giving time for the lads to gel.

    I honestly think we saw the worst of Pards last season. But we have seen the best, of him since he has been here! Pards did so well at West Ham, only to throw it all away? He took them to a FA cup final, finishing ninth in the table. Maybe he had too many great players’ who had ambitions elsewhere? But the same at other clubs: success followed by misery. Mike Ashley took our best players’ away before we finished fifth! If Pards can get his head sorted out! If Mike backs him properly in the market! Who knows?

  • 28 David B's Toon // Jun 4, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Ignore above, I was in between editing!

    First of all we have to look at why Pards made such poor Decisions. There is probably a combination of lot things. When a team is in a rut, managers tend to pick players they think they can count on. Unfortunately this can be a manager’s biggest downfall. Fans tend to forget that footballers are people. Some players like Joey Barton/Bellamy etc will always put a shift in. Other players will hide and just not be mentally up for the fight.
    We know our captain wants out. Demba Ba got out! Ben Arfa was on his sick bed for most the season. Cabaye is suffering from depression. Jonas gives his heart: drive and passion, if not skill. The season before, Jonas’ efforts were a major factor in our success. He will run and run, but he lacks the technical and intelligence aspect. He can’t cross the ball, he can’t see the through ball, he will run himself into an ally, or he will make a bad pass and give the ball away (which on a few occasions lead to goals against us).Williamson, will put a shift in, but his technique and vision are poor and he gets caught out. I can see where Pards was coming from with them, but if it isn’t working, regardless, he has to change it and not force it (but he refused to reinforce in the summer).

    In Jan we seemed to rectify our problems by deepening the squad. But things should have been done, giving time for the lads to gel.

    I honestly think we saw the worst of Pards last season. But we have seen the best, of him since he has been here! Pards did so well at West Ham, only to throw it all away? He took them to a FA cup final, finishing ninth in the table. Maybe he had too many great players’ who had ambitions elsewhere? But the same at other clubs: success followed by misery. Mike Ashley took our best players’ away before we finished fifth! If Pards can get his head sorted out! If Mike backs him properly in the market! Who knows?

  • 29 Greebol1892 // Jun 4, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Yes I’m all for stability given the right manager. I was all for looking forward to next season with Pardew but the last 2 months were just tediously banal.

    Yes I “thought” he did a good job when we finished 5th but watched some re-runs and a lot of the time it was down to individual class.

    Although he did get some tactics right playing, still made some utterly bambozzling substitutions and his persistence with no.23 just has me gobsmacked.

    Last season yes we should have strengthened but we still had some strong lineups and yet were still PANTS thanks to sh!t tactics and playing for draws / defending 1-0 leads.

    Please give us some stability with the right manager, e.g. someone with a footballing philosophy (pass & move) and tactical nous (playing to players strengths).

    I’m all for that kind of stability – not keeping an inept manager who CANNOT AND MUST NOT be compared to Moyes, Ferguson & Wenger….. that’s just a JOKE.

    HTL!

  • 30 tit4tat // Jun 4, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    Stability and (if we are lucky) mid table mediocrity over ambition = insanity!




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