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Two Newcastle YoungstersTo Break Through Next Season

1:02 am, Friday, June 7th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 94 Comments

We think the two most promising youngsters at Newcastle right now are 18 year-old local lad Adam Campbell, and 19 year-old Gael Bigirimana, who was brought in from Coventry City last summer for £1M, and he played 25 times for Newcastle last season.

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Adam Campbell - could come through big time next season

Mike Ashley started the latest youth drive back in January of 2008, just six months after buying the club, but after over five years now, Newcastle have precious little to show for it, with not one youngster having broken through to become a first team regular.

Shane Ferguson has played 32 times for the first team over the last two and a half years, and Sammy Ameobi has made 28 appearances so far, and they’ve probably been the most successful youngsters over the last two years.

But last year Gael Bigirimana already looked a very capable defensive midfielder when he played in the first team, and he’s currently with the England U20 side preparing for the FIFA U20 World Cup in Turkey, that starts later this month.

Adam Campbell has played for a lot of the England sides including the U19 side that recently failed to qualify for the European U19 Championships, and Adam also narrowly missed out on the 21 man England U20 squad, after being named with Gale in the provisional squad.

We expect these two lads to be given their chance next season, and they are unlikely to be sent out on loan, as they challenge for first team football at Newcastle.

And for the Newcastle Youth Academy we need to see some of our youngsters break through to the Newcastle first team, and hopefully that will be true next year at this time.

What do you think?

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94 responses so far ↓

  • 1 No Plain Saylor // Jun 7, 2013 at 1:18 AM

    Ameobi,
    I know you’re right, its not the match no problems there. Its the whole trip, I know that makes me sound shy and quiet but that couldnt be further from the truth.
    Tbh i just want my mates with me for a drinkin session after, for a wingman, etc ;) haha but if they dont come soon feckit im away anyway!

    BPC,
    Very true. Yeah I defo will get out soon.
    Hahaha if you could bottle that feeling you’d own the club by now! :)

  • 2 SupaToonKid // Jun 7, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    Newcastle record with bringing youngsters through is horrendous unfortunately. Look at somebody of Abeid’s potential. That lad had so much potential and the club have failed to nurture it. If him & Vuckic (probably our best youngster) don’t make it then the club has seriously failed. Bigirimana has at least had experience at Coventry so he’s got more chance than the others. Why do we refuse to loan players out. It’s an absolute disgrace!

  • 3 Thump // Jun 7, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    Saylor linked with Arsenal again? Is that his dads doing? Saylor’s always fancied himself an Arsenal player but it’s unlikely he’d get that move, least of all with Ashley wanting clubs to play over the odds for Toon players.

  • 4 jimmysmith // Jun 7, 2013 at 4:09 AM

    That`s true! We`re a graveyard for youngsters and it only heaps insult upon injury when you consider the North East has long been thought of as the traditional hotbed of English football.

    How many talents and lives have the club compromised over the years by basically being hopeless.

    Scary to think about!

  • 5 jimmysmith // Jun 7, 2013 at 4:14 AM

    I`ve seen Abeid play once or twice and he is clearly a thoroughbred. You only have to look at the way he moves and strikes a ball.

    Yet, you feel he might end up on the scrapheap and quick. Foul!

  • 6 Sydney Toon // Jun 7, 2013 at 4:31 AM

    There may be something in the rumour on Taylor. People saying that Arsenal wont pay overs… Have they forgotton Walcott, Ox and even Mertesacker, who they paid 14m pounds for! If Taylor goes for 10-15m then it is a sale worthwhile IMO. But we should not sell because we need him for the passion he creates, plus I love how he can head the ball while laying on the ground, I don’t care who you are, that is genious!

  • 7 Sydney Toon // Jun 7, 2013 at 4:53 AM

    Looking back through the posts, both Torq, Proud and Sazzer were talking of an attacking midfielder/winger we are in talks with from Holland. It could be either Dries Mertens or Georginio Wijnaldum, my guess Wijnaldum. They also mentioned a defensive player in France. Could we be looking at Capoue from Toulouse? Any proud, I think, mentioned a player in Spain… Oh please let it be Griezmann!!!

  • 8 Toon-Prodigy // Jun 7, 2013 at 5:29 AM

    Over the past 4-5 years the youngins at the Toon have had the best chance since the Clarky, Watson, Elliot era. Not many of the youngins can say they have not been given a chance, the blame isn’t down to the club. They have been coached and given that opportunity. As a player you can’t ask for anything else.

    Sadly, apart from Krul and Carroll not many have stepped up to the plate and established themselves as would be starters.

    Abeid, Ranger, Tavernier, Vuckic, Ferguson to name a few have all been given this opportunity.

    This would of been unheard of post Ashley era.

  • 9 jimmysmith // Jun 7, 2013 at 5:55 AM

    Players might expect a professional youth set up, with appropriate training, encouragement, support, management, before that opportunity, that in itself, is such a giant leap.

    Newcastle have always had a poor youth system and despite the huffing and puffing of the current regime remain badly lacking.

  • 10 JAMSHA // Jun 7, 2013 at 6:14 AM

    another boreng day,,,,, ma out

  • 11 HullMag6 // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:05 AM

    So really what we’re saying is that the whole coaching and development side of the club needs completely reviewed and rebuilt top down.

    Under the current trinumerate I seriously doubt it would happen, oh for a geordie abramovich with a football focused brain……

    also I fear youngsters aren’t having life coaching to help them be more professional off the pitch as well as on, but that one os something that is an industry wide problem within football in thia country. There isnt the application in our home developed players – too easily distracted. Hence why clubs look abroad more.

  • 12 lesh // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:14 AM

    Jamsha…… Are you serious @9?

    You really want ma out? After all.she’s done for you!!

  • 13 HullMag6 // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:16 AM

    Grr big fingers/ small keys typo’s

  • 14 HullMag6 // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:21 AM

    I’m actually hoping the likes of

    Campbell, Bigi, Inman, Tav, Dummet, Good etc

    Get used as fringe/bench players to gaon first team experience they need to step up or move on for their own good.

    Plus I’m expecting them to be the reason as well as the january spending to be why we have a quiet summer – again.

  • 15 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    Prodigy,
    The blame lies firmly with the club. Not just the club under Ashley, but the previous regime as well. Given the opportunity?? How many of those went out on loan at a decent age to get experience? Plenty of clubs asked about it, but NUFC refused as they felt better progress is achieved from reserve/development football. Tavernier loaned out to Gateshead? Unless a player is being released the following summer none of our kids should be on loan below league 2, and most should be league 1 or above. Abeid did refuse to be loaned out last season, but other than that the club has for years refused to allow people out on loan.

    Proper coaching? Beardsley? Give it a rest, as a coach he is beyond awful. Donachie, marginally better.

    Donaldson is the best example of our failed youth policy, captains England at 3 youth levels, and then is left to rot in our reserves under Beardsleys tutelage. Regresses, never given a first team chance, and then 6 months before his contract is up at the age of 21 goes to Hartlepool. Newton and Dummett playing there first bit of first team football at 21? A joke, Connor was a great talent in the academy, and the clubs refusal to let him go on loan has effectively stunted him.

    You mention Krul as 1 who did break through, and Carroll, and there is also Forster before heading to Celtic. What did these 3 all have in common? They all went out on loan as teenagers. It is almost like going on loan benefited them in some way and helped them develop. Tav went to Gateshead as a teenager, but none of the others did.

    Plus at goalkeeping level we had the excellent Paul Barron to help them along.

  • 16 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    Hull,
    Tav/Dummet/Sammi/Fergie move on.

    Inman keep around the squad this year, Bigi loan to a newly promoted club, Campbell loan to Crewe or Boro. Good, loan to championship. Send Streete and Mbabu on loan.

    Make all these loans with a break clause in Jan if we need them, or if they have shown enough progression to get sufficient game time to develop in our first team.

  • 17 Hatem's better than Messi // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM

    Ashley out!
    Llambias out!
    Pardew out!

    Morning all.

  • 18 HullMag6 // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM

    Have I killed it already so early?

    Ps I also wouldn’t be surprised if we do get involved with a soap opera around the possible transfer of a former no.9

  • 19 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:42 AM

    HAHAHAHAHA LOL…the first of many embarrassing snubs has started today with the news Wayne Bridge has decided to join championship side reading rather than join Pards at the toon…fcuking priceless!

    Obviously Cabaye forgot to ring him to tell him what a wonderful club we are now.

    At least the kids have a chance!

  • 20 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM

    Sparky,
    You honestly think there was any truth in the rumour of Wayne Bridge? No Chance! While we have Santon, Haidara, Dummett, Yanga, Jonas, Perch who can all play at left back (to varying degrees of ability) at least as well as a 33 year old Wayne Bridge?

  • 21 HullMag6 // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:50 AM

    Thought not just waiting for the waking masses . lol

    Development policy lately has been shocking but correct me if im wrong when I’ve heard Pedro being interviewed he’s struck me as another yes man for Ashley. Instead of fighting the corner for good football.

  • 22 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    LILONGWE…just making the point we’re giving the kids a chance!!!!

  • 23 jimmysmith // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    Well Bridge would only be signed to sit on the bench and he`s probably had his fill of that to be fair to him and us.

    Plus on Carroll, it seems a no brainer to atleast try and bring him back if thats what he wants. Having sold him for 35 we would be making a killing regardless and he’d immediately solve our ridiculous lack of threat from from set pieces and surely Cisse would thrive on his knockdowns and finally, as it is we only have Bambi to go to when we need to mix it up, and although I truly love the guy, there really is little comparison between the impact of the two players.

  • 24 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:55 AM

    Hull,
    Beardsley is probably the biggest believer in the ’5 year plan’ in the North East. He is very pro Ashley, and is very close to him according to various reports I’ve seen and things I’ve heard from different people. Speak to some of the fanzine editors, or local journos and they will all say the same.

  • 25 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:56 AM

    JINKY…don’t worry about carroll…he’ll be up shortly which hopefully will see del boy taylor on his way to pastures new…giving 120% isn’t enough nowadays…you need a bit about you and taylor hasn’t got that

  • 26 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    I’d swap mertasaker for taylor in a flash even if we had to give arsenal 3 million as part of the deal

  • 27 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    Lillonge
    Was it not under the Great Kevin Keegan the reserves were scrapped club trained at the crap facilities at Maiden Castle whatever they call it at Chester-le-Street. so there was no continuity in players coming through the ranks. Keegan’s philosophy was -I’ll just go and buy someone if we are short.

    It took Sir Bobby Robson to relise we needed reserve team to bring players through plus the building of a new training facility for the juniors along side the seniors at Longbenton.

    I think we are going in the right direction but I wonder about the coaches and coaching techniques from the 9 year old kids through to the first team.

    I know three kids, two have gone to Sunderland’s Academy and one is thinking to go to the Mackems from The Toon academy all NUFC supporters – so something is wrong and needs rectifying.

  • 28 jimmysmith // Jun 7, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    Really! I know Big Andy divides opinion, but I think I`d actually shed tears of joy if we got him back.

  • 29 HullMag6 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Don’t get me wrong id love AC back in black and white. I have doubts we’ll get him as Liverpool will have a sulk on with us and I’m doubtful Ashley will spend that much.

  • 30 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Sparky,
    I was thinking similar. If they are looking to get rid of Vermaelen, then I would swap Taylor for him in a heartbeat. Vermaelen isn’t the worlds best, but he is better than Taylor amd Willo, and scores a few as well.

  • 31 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Jinky…not sure I’d be crying tears of joy but he’ll bust a gut every match (whenever fit) and he will score goals. should be interesting!

  • 32 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    LILONGWE…yep…a step up in class for sure…saylor is not good enough for the premiership anymore…it’s overtaken him and he’s not too bright and far too slow…time to move on

  • 33 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Charlie,
    You are right, Keegan scrapped the reserves, and decided there was no need to concentrate on development. Seems odd seen as he had on Clark, Watson and Elliot during his time. Unfortunately that saw the departure of Alan Thompson, who would have been decent in our squad and Alun Armstrong, who, while no world beater would have done as well for us, probably better than, Paul Kitson.

    Since then our development of young players has been awful. The Shepherds and Hall’s bought into Keegans philosophy of not developing. Despite Sir John’s initial desire to have 11 geordies playing.

    Ashley has taken steps to improve it, but we haven’t employed the correct personnel, and on the odd occasion we have had good staff in and around the academy, they have quickly left for other jobs. The current staff, particularly from u18′s up aren’t fit for purpose in my eyes. We have some good young coaches lower down the scale at 12-15/16 but after that we regress as jobs generally go to people who have a name, or a relationship with others, rather than suitability.

    We had been moving in the right direction, but feel we have stalled again. It needs an overhaul of the staff and the playing philosophy, as well looking at how best to progress players, making linkages with clubs that have the same philosophy. It takes time, but these things are the foundations and need to be in place before any real progress will be seen in the first team.

  • 34 Slank // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Ed,

    Have you done a posting recently, which I may have missed, about Shane Ferguson going to Birmingham?

    I have added his name to very long list of leavers, for completeness sake:

    Colo
    Santon
    Cabaye
    Tiote (wants to stay)
    Ben Arfa
    Cisse
    Shola
    Sammy
    Perch
    Krul
    Obertan
    Williamson
    Debuchy
    Dummett
    Newton
    Saylor
    Ferguson

  • 35 scout // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:10 AM

    10-15 million for Taylor, I despair I really do. He’s terrible, he would get caught out of position in a phone box.

  • 36 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:12 AM

    SCOUT…to right…he’s well out of his depth…maybe we can swap him down to reading…it’s on the way back to London!

  • 37 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:13 AM

    Sparky,
    Not good enough for the Prem I think is a bit harsh, he would fit right in at Hull/Palace (have Ramage in their ranks)/Cardiff but he has been so comfy here, and the number of injuries he has had, has meant that he hasn’t developed. The lad should just be hitting his peak for a centre back and in my eyes is worse then 4/5 years ago.

  • 38 Transfer Sage // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:13 AM

    Been a while guys.

    I just want to say buying cheap and young players can work, cabaye is a big player for france and cost us 4mil…very good by modern standards.

    However the rest, as good as we may think, yanga, sissoko, goufran, debuchy etc…are not all regular starters for France…and whilst yanga and sissoko may improve, debuchy and gouffran are near their peak and wont get much better.

    Remember people praise their technical ability but they are members of a French squad not fit to lace the boots of the french team of ten years ago.

    This is a France team which England have outperformed in the last couple major tournaments and that has suffered defeats to teams like scotland and needed lucky handballs to even qualify for the last world cup.

    France isn’t the hotbed of talent in was 10 years ago.

    We need to be looking to bring in a few lads who are 25+ who have experience, ideally in the prem league, but in europa/champs league or international football if we are to kick on.

    The best thing we could do is what liverpool did 2 years ago and sign a top level striker like suarez. Goals are what get you points….look how much a difference van persie, suarez, bale and benteke have made to their clubs…the league would have been totally different if they were just replaced with even an average prem striker.

  • 39 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    Lilongwe
    If we are bringing in French/continental youngsters would it not be a good idea to bring in a couple of continental coaches to to teach/learn a home grown juniors/youngsters along with the continentals the continental ethos – not some stale geordie has-beens

  • 40 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    Slank…can you add Pardew to the bottom of your list…i know it won’t happen soon enough but it’ll make me feel better every time I see it

  • 41 Sack Llambias // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:18 AM

    Re- writing history is a feature of this blog. I am not an accountant but can read a balance sheet unlike some who clearly lose the plot in trying to support their loathing of the current regime. Before Ashley the last time that Newcastle made a profit was back in 2005 – and that was a very small one of £0.6 million. In the following five years, the club made combined losses of around £100 million: 2006 £12 million, 2007 £34 million, 2008 £20 million in 2008, 2009 £15 million and 2010 £17 million. Newcastle had been living beyond its means before Ashley fact.. The loss in the Championship showed the first signs of an improvement, as it was at around the same level as the deficit in the Premier League, despite a massive (£34 million) drop in revenue, Ashley took determined action to sort out the wage bill. He can and I think will loosen the purse strings the only obstacle is Llambias who really is the one blot on the Ashley blue print.

  • 42 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    too sensible an argument that TRANSFER SAGE…we need more senseless raw emotion this time in the morning to mix with full fat coffee and shaking hands over the keyboard.

  • 43 croftus5678 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    some have this kinda wrong tbh !

    toon are good with youth we had saylor/krull/caroll break through into our team and bigi has pretty much allready broke through even though 70% of this goes to coventry’s system.

    and players like chopra /richardson and a fair few others (i dont remember tbh as i lose intrest once they leave) are playing in lower division teams or scotland !

    its not like we are no good at bringing them into the game just our first team is hard to get into so they need to be better than avg.

  • 44 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:21 AM

    Charlie,
    I don’t think you need just target continental coaches. For me it is more about their philosophy and ability. I don’t care where they are from, as long as they have that ability to teach and develop the players to there fullest potential. There are plenty of good English coaches around, but if we can get coaches from different places to bring together complimentary skill sets then I am all for it.

    I think most fans love to see a youngster come through at the club and establish himself, and I wish we could do it more often.

    Unfortunately, with Beardsley and Ashley being close, I don’t see anything changing, unless, god forbid, Beardsley ends up in charge of the first team.

  • 45 Slank // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    Here you are Sparky55 as I’m sure Ed must have mentioned it in previous posts that I possibly missed:

    Colo
    Santon
    Cabaye
    Tiote (wants to stay)
    Ben Arfa
    Cisse
    Shola
    Sammy
    Perch
    Krul
    Obertan
    Williamson
    Debuchy
    Dummett
    Newton
    Saylor
    Ferguson

    Pardew (for Sparky55)

  • 46 Sack Llambias // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:24 AM

    Vermaelen can play right across the back four we could do a player exchange deal.

  • 47 Rotonda heights // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    Would bite Arsenal’s hands of for Taylor but can you really see Wenger being that daft.

    It’s funny how it’s all gone quiet on the issues that needed to be addressed and the supposed fact finding review at the end of the season. Just all lip service of course.

    Are injuries being looked at? I very much doubt it. Is a new fitness regime being discussed? Ditto.

    The sub par manager and staff are all still in place. I can imagine Ash and Llambias telling Pardew ‘ ‘ you gave us a nasty scare there, try not to do it again or the natives may get a little restless!”

  • 48 croftus5678 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    @37 sage

    completely agree on the striker front m8.
    just that 1 proven goalscorer would make the world of difference to us.

  • 49 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:28 AM

    Croftus,
    Richardson is still at the club.

    Read my earlier post, Krul, Forster and Carroll all went on loan as teenagers. This makes a huge difference. The majority of other youngsters aren’t given the opportunity by the club till they are 21 – too late. Also, the majority of youngsters we bring through the academy end up in non league, that in my eyes is definitely failing them. Especially as 1 was captaining England youth sides when he was 18 years old.

    Saylor, 9 years ago, Krul debuted 7 years ago, Carroll debuted 7 years ago. 3 in 10 years? That is your definition of good development?

    Bigi has nothing to do with development at our club.

  • 50 HullMag6 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    Don’t get me wrong id love AC back in black and white.

    I have doubts we’ll get him as Liverpool will have a sulk on with us and I’m doubtful Ashley will spend that much.

  • 51 Transfer Sage // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    croftus

    a guarantee of 20 goals would make such a huge difference…a player like suarez, van persie, bale etc who can score tap ins but also do it himself when the team has an off day…it’s what we lack (cisse and ba showed it at times, just not enough)

    And also the way the media blame our form on having too many french players…its true. But the problem isn’t that they are french, the problem is the french national side isn’t that strong with the exception of 4/5 players so the players aren’t good enough.

    Its not their nationality, its their quality which is the issue.

  • 52 Average_Contents // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    any1 heard of tiago illor from portugal?
    He is a young defender, tall, strong, and quick and at 20 is already top class and relativly cheap so i would love us to put a bid in

  • 53 Rotonda heights // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    Charlie

    It would make far more sense to have a French manager and coaches. Much better to keep all our top players that the likes of Monaco are sniffing around than Pardew and get reduced to the Spearings, Tomkins of this world.

  • 54 HullMag6 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    Oops repost lol. Damn android.

  • 55 Transfer Sage // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM

    The club also needs to address it’s wage structure.

    Some players are worth more than 60k a week, which seems to be our cap.

    But even if we don’t break that cap we need to bring a few more quality lads in who will command that 60k a week.

    If we continue to sign 1/2mil pound players and pay them 20k we will not progress, we will just stand still by replacing like for like.

  • 56 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:35 AM

    cheers slank…beaming from ear to ear!…what a glorious day!

    I’m off for a walk in the sun!

  • 57 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:35 AM

    Rotonda,
    I don’t think we will ever find out the ins and outs of the end of season review. But they have already said new coach in, and that seems to have gone awfully quiet, despite Man City, Man U both releasing numerous staff. Surely it would have made sense to snap up some of the released Man U staff when they became available… Also, has Steve Round gone to Man U with Moyes? I would have him back here anytime. One of the most progressive coaches in the english game.

  • 58 Rotonda heights // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    Jimmy @ 27

    Would that be when he’s gets injured again? Carrol just gets Pardew out of jail as it hides the fact he can’t coach technical footballers.

    Yes playing the percentages to a man with his back to goal on the half way line with his arm in the air waiting for the big hoof is really the way forward. NOT!

  • 59 Sack Llambias // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    NEWCASTLE UNITED

    Accounts for the year to 30 June 2012

    Ownership: Mike Ashley owns Newcastle United via his company, MASH Holdings Limited

    Turnover: 7th in league, £93m (up from £89m in 2011)

    Gate and matchday: £24m

    TV and broadcasting: £56m

    Commercial activities: £14m

    Wage bill: 8th, £64m (up from £54m in 2011)

    Wages as proportion of turnover: 69%

    Profit before tax: £1m (down from £33m in 2011)

    Net debt: £129m

    Interest payable: £0.07m

    Highest-paid director: Unnamed, £266,000 (Derek Llambias is managing director)
    . Ashley has cleared all the club’s debt and loaned £129m himself as financial ballast, before charging Derek Llambias with running affairs commercially. Football remains an unpredictable business, however, and the wage bill climbed, and profit fell, before this season’s dip in performance and £27m spent on new players. Costs need to be kept down amidst growing competition hence a sponsorship deal with Wonga, from the payday loan industry.

  • 60 Transfer Sage // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    rotonda

    we don’t need a french manager, we just need a good one…he could be from the north pole for all i care.

    We just need to get some good players signed too, no point telling our main lads we have ambition and shopping in the bargain bin.

    Like it or not players command big fees for a reason, because they are good. Obviously some exceptions, cabaye at 4mil and carroll at 35mil being too ends of the spectrum.

    But in general if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, same in any business, you need to invest up front to get a pay off down the line….at some point you must take a gamble, no matter how calculated it is, if you want to reach the top.

  • 61 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    Average,
    Illori won’t be relatively cheap, Liverpool had a 4million bid for him rejected, and Valencia have bid 8million which is under consideration. Arsenal and Spurs are reportedly looking.

    All in all, a good player, but a non starter for us.

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:40 AM

    Ashley lending newcastle money isn’t doing us a favour, it does himself a favour.

    It’s his company therefore if it is paying huge interest on loans and the club doesn’t break even because of it he can either loan more money or foot the bill himself.

  • 63 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:41 AM

    Ashleys in the group of clubs underneath the top 6 that have agreed a player wage structure that has a cap of 60k a week. It’s designed to keep it things fairer for those outside the rich clubs.

    60k a week is enough to attract good players and players who demand more than that would be looking for a better club than newcastle anyway…60 k a week is more than enough

  • 64 Toon-Prodigy // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:41 AM

    The coaching set-up has came along way with these academys.

    20 years ago there was nothing of the sort. Just Newcastle boys and the County and what have you.

    Lilongwe,

    Im not saying we have the best coaching set-up. Im stating my opinion on the good of the club giving the opportunity to young players.

    My point is these lads have had a chance, a chance 7-10 years ago would never of happened.

    My personal opinion is they are just not good enough, whether that’s to do with the coaching or the ability of the players I don’t know.

    You can’t blame the club for individuals not taking their chances though. The club can only do so much then it’s upto the talent, ability of the said individual. And not enough of them have did.

    You can have the best coaches in the world, but if they can’t make that step up it’s useless. Very few make it to the standard required.

    The same club brought through Andy Carroll, Krul and Ferguson who did well at Championship level. So I wouldn’t say they are poor because other players arn’t making the grade. They have proved they can bring players through.

    For me it’s the standard of the youngins that worrying, none of them look like Premier league players from what I have seen.

    Bed time for me lads.

    Have a goodin

  • 65 Sack Llambias // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:42 AM

    If Alan Irvine isn’t going to join Moyes at Manure lets get him back. He’s learnt a lot since he left. He would hit the ground running.

  • 66 Rotonda heights // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:42 AM

    Sage

    The players or their standard isn’t the problem. Nothing wrong with Carr and our scouting system saving us fortunes and getting players who want to play, not just come for the money.

    Most managers would bite your hand off for a chance to work with Krul, Debuchy, Colo, M’Biwa, Santon Sissoko, Cabaye, Anita Ben Arfa, Cisse, Marveaux + Tiote, Gouffran, Haidara, Bigi etc.

    As I say it takes someone a bit special to NOT make that work and with our luck we hit the jackpot with that someone.

  • 67 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    Sage,
    Good to see you back! You seem a lot more pessimistic about everything now. The club starting to drain your enthusiasm?

    On the French lads, the only one who I think is nothing more than squad bulking is Goofy. He did a job for us last season, chipping in with the odd goal, but I think we should be aiming for better than him.

    I’m with you on manager/coaching staff. Rather than focusing on where they are from, we should look at their abilities and suitability for the job.

    As for the striker, I think everyone would love a top drawer striker. Who would be your pick, realistically, that we could get?

  • 68 Bambams // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    Two players will be coming in (if we believe Pards)

    1. CB under 25years, 6ft 3+, around £3-5m
    2. Striker, under 25 years, fast, with either buy out clause or in last twenty mins of his contract.

    I think they will try and get Remi (waiting for court case which will find him not guilty IMO) and CB….Could be one of 30+, no idea.

    In a nutshell….I think Pards dropped this hint just after the season ended so that us bloody fans dont get carried away AND this reduces expectations for next year….

    IMO

  • 69 Rotonda heights // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    Sage

    I agree being good rather than French is the criteria but with so many French players and people like Blanc and now Garcia apparently available it seems a no-brainer not to combine being good and French

  • 70 Sack Llambias // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    Toon- Prodigy
    I agree with you. Ferguson , Ameobi, Tavernier in particular have all failed to grasp opportunities. The youngsters at Brighton opened the eyes well and truly how they had wasted good chances to shine. Ferguson looked like a rabbit in car headlights every time he pulled on the shirt. He did well at Brum but needs along with others to buckle down. Sammy was thought lazy by boro fans I speak to.

  • 71 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:49 AM

    Prodigy,
    I know you are off to bed, but you skipped pretty much every important point made! The players who have come out of our academy and gone on to have decent success either with us, or at another club all went on loan as teenagers, where as the majority aren’t given this opportunity. That is where the club fails them. How can you take an opportunity at Prem level, if you have never cut your teeth in competitive football previously. Only the exceptional talents succeed in doing that – Giggs, Owen, Fabregas, Rooney, Wilshere. Most others spend time on loan between 17 and 20 before playing in the Prem.

  • 72 Rotonda heights // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    Bambams

    Pardew is a master of lowering expectations. With our players and a couple of more shrewd Carr signings Pardew should be sounding the cavalry charge but he’s so downbeat and down at mouth he would drain the enthusiasm out of Chris Evans!

  • 73 Transfer Sage // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:51 AM

    rotonda

    hopefully i’ll be proven wrong but I think the french players we have are nothing special, either average or inconsistent in my eyes…their whole national side performs worse than england and we slate the english players….the french aren’t that good currently, they had their golden period 10 years ago and are nowhere near that now.

    lilongwe

    just passing in, very busy at the moment so not much chance to comment, but it’s not football season so i lose interest really, much better sports during the summer haha.

    sack llambias

    60k might be enough, but my main point is we need more 60k players who deserve that money and not a squad full of 10/20k players.

  • 74 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    Rotonda
    I’m being practical as I can’t see Pardew being sacked unless we have a disastrous start to the season.

  • 75 Black and White with an army lol // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    morning all

    sell Taylor bring in Sakho & Vermaelen, sorted

  • 76 Sack Llambias // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    Sage
    Sorry?

  • 77 Black and White with an army lol // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:56 AM

    Charlie in the Gallowgate

    the only way AP will get sack is we get relegated but even then i would’t be surprise if he stayed even then

  • 78 Bambams // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    Retonda…

    I agree totally. In fact i would go as far now saying Pards actually realises he is not good enough and has been found out.
    Prior to last season he was crowing on about how rightly he was to be mentioned as a contender for the England job!

  • 79 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:59 AM

    Black and white
    You’re most likely right, but I think Ashley’s patience was running thin at the end of last season.

  • 80 Sack Llambias // Jun 7, 2013 at 8:59 AM

    Transfer Sage
    I do feel we can look at clearing the decks of a number of under performing lower paid players. Then being able to bring in 2-3 of higher paid quality to bolster the team and squads strength overall. Tom Ince is ideal for us, a left wideman winger who has pace and trickery.

  • 81 Transfer Sage // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    sack llambias

    sorry…meant to write that comment to sparky

  • 82 Rotonda heights // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    Yes tragically we are stuck with Pardew no matter what it seems. How sad is it that one man alone can dictate such misery to 52000+ millions worldwide. Oh for the German fans club ownership programmes.

  • 83 TorqToon // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    Think we need to wrap up 1 or 2 signings so we all have something else other than pards and Ashley millions to chat about!

    Can’t believe how long slanks list of our ‘players leaving’ is!!???! Brilliant! Easy job being a journo!

  • 84 Transfer Sage // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:08 AM

    rotonda

    as much as i am bored of pardew, there was misery before and there will be misery after…the joys of newcastle ey.

    torq

    we need a few good players in ASAP, get them settled in the area and squad…the longer the have in pre season the better.

    All quiet from what i hear, but knowing how reliable my info is that probably means we are busy haha

  • 85 Jail for Ashley // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    Sack Llambias,
    Beautiful figures, it must be like walking around the Louvre staring at those for some, still doesn’t take away the fact we have broken every unwanted club PL stat since he’s been here.

  • 86 TorqToon // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Morning sage! You don’t do bad mate! And I agree, get them in and settled. And blast them in pre season with hard training and some tough pre season friendlies.

    With everything so quiet, the blog becomes stagnant and repetitive, so we need some excitement!!

    Had the pleasure of speaking to a bloke who knows the identity of that Indykalia bloke off
    Twitter. And after hearing what I heard, I cant believe he has as many followers and the reliable reputation he has!!!

  • 87 Laurent Robert 32 // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    The most refreshing thing in a while for me was listening to Kevin Keegan talk about his time with Newcastle in that Sky Sports interview with Harmison. The passion and honesty he speaks about is another world to what is there now.

    His genuine enthusiasm on the area and the club was great as well as how the game should be played.

    I’ve read his book before, and he touched on a few things I’d already read.

  • 88 sparky55 // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    sack lambias…what happens if we sell the lower paid ones and the purples decide they want to leave??

    Our squad has got the numbers we didn’t have at the start of last year but as per slanks list there’s an awful lot of mediocrity there.

    We will need all that squad depth we have right now and all that mediocrity to cover the deserting purples.

    It won’t be much different to last year…our purples were injured most of the year and we just stayed up…this year we won’t have that many purples left and it’ll be left to maybe three ‘better than average’ signings and the same squad players to get us up to the projected dizzy heights of 10th.

    My bet is Colo and Cabaye and tiote and Ben Arfa to leave (possibly cisse too), with Carroll and 3 other decent players to come in with Ashley 10 million better off.

    coming in…

    a good winger to replace BenArfa

    a good CB to replace Colo

    Anita will replace Cabaye

    Sissoko will replace tiote

    an attacking midfielder to come in

  • 89 Tommyy // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    Torq – what was said about him?

  • 90 Jail for Ashley // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:35 AM

    Sparky,
    I know it is with irony when we speak about our ‘purples’ but I believe that absurd statement from Dastardly was just one of the many factors that contributed to our collapse last year, why Dirk Llambias wasn’t banned from publicly speaking after that I don’t know !

  • 91 TorqToon // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:35 AM

    Tommy – I cant remember what the saying is, but its something like “it you throw enough sh1t…eventually, some of it will stick!”

    He is no better than Cwarr07 when you look at his ‘past predictions’!

  • 92 Tommyy // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    I think the reason we haven’t gone for Carroll is his abysmal injury record. If he comes back he’ll be out for the majority of the season, every season!
    We need at least a winger of top quality and to ship Obertan out. I cannot believe they allowed Pardew to bring him in, it was obvious at Man U he’d never be good enough!
    I’m still waiting for one or two more nationally or internationally respected coaches, we’re well a overdue a proper backroom staff of genuine quality.

  • 93 Tommyy // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    Torq – I always felt he was a smarter version of Cwarr07, in that he actually attempted to cover his tracks when giving his info. In fairness to some of the ITK’s, things in football change so rapidly that their info can be outdated within a few hours.

  • 94 TorqToon // Jun 7, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    Tommy – most of his ‘exclusives’ have been proven to been taken from our news sources in the hours previous.

    He may be smarter than Cwarr07, but nor by much.




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