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Pardew Staying Put To Take Newcastle Up The League

11:47 am, Wednesday, June 19th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 424 Comments

News coming from the Evening Chronicle that Newcastle manager Alan Pardew will remain at the Tyneside club, and work with Joe Kinnear in his new role as Director of Football.

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Alan Pardew – staying at Newcastle

As far as stability is concerned that’s good news, and who knows maybe Alan will get on well with Joe Kinnear – you never know – they are both Cockneys after all.

Alan gave the Chronicle a short message today:

“I am staying – to take the club up the league.”

And since pre-season training starts in two weeks time, at least we’ll be in better shape than we were four years ago following relegation.

That’s when the players returned to pre-season, and we didn’t have a permanent manager,  as Alan Shearer had not been appointed as the manager (as had been expected) that summer.

So Chris Hughton and Colin Calderwood took the training on that first day, and to cut a long (very long) story short, they had Newcastle promoted a short ten months later, and we were back in the big time again.

Wouldn’t it be nice if the same could happen now, and Newcastle could be a top six club next May.

It’s possible – and we have to keep believing.

Don’t we?

I have to leave for a few hours for an important  Doctor’s appointment –  maybe when I get back we’ll have a new owner? 😀

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424 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Indian Magpie // Jun 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    Worst news of them all.

  • 2 Goodfella // Jun 19, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    So Alan has finally broke his silence and it doesn’t sound convincing, is that all he’s got to say like.

  • 3 TALKOFTHETOON // Jun 19, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    I don’t think its that bad a news, if Pardew goes, Kinnear will slot straight in as manager.
    Pardew > Kinnear ANY day of the week.

  • 4 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    As if the spineless fusker was ever going to walk…..

  • 5 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Alan gave the Chronicle a short message today:

    “I am staying – to take the club up the league.”

    The long message was:

    “I can’t believe that Mike has employed this nutter, he’s a complete odd ball and will cause nothing but problems at the club. At least I have a track record as a proven, top class manager, a tactical genius who’s man management and motivational skills are unparalleled in world football who more than deserve’s my eight year contract. Unlike Joe Kinnear I can and do walk on water”

  • 6 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Indian

    Nothing yet. I never post what he tells me as I think he is full of crap but I thought his view was quite an interesting one.

    He is 100% confident this is good for the club and that Kinnear will balance the club out better than Llambias did.

    He didn’t mention how Pardew was feeling about it all other than to say Alan was heartbroken over last year.

    As for transfers he reckons Joe will listen to Carr and Alan and find middle ground before telling Ashley who we should go for, regardless of cost. It’s then up to Ashley to say yes or no.

    Apparently we will be looking for the best deals not the cheapest, hence why Douglas will not be coming in. He was the cheapest CB on the list but so far down Carr’s recommendations that the deal was called off.

    I won’t be airing anymore of his views as I think he is talking rubbish but it interested me.

    I’m going back to my fury, distrust and hatred. Back to my negativity and belief that the club is in free fall and we’ll sign nobody.

  • 7 remember69 // Jun 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Ah, the rollercoaster life of a Magpie fan…… it’s never boring….
    If Joke Innear is turning away players I pray that he’s got something better lined up.

    One thing for sure – all those who complained in the past about lack of information from the club must be salivating now – this guy just won’t shut up.

  • 8 estechco // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    (Repost) Beattie – Nice post, but can’t possibly be true…as it seems almost logical 😉

  • 9 Blofal // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Yeh but everything he says is delusional!

  • 10 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    I hate Pardew as much as the next Pardew hater but all this will make him or break him.

    If he starts of poorly he’ll be fired. No more chances for him.

    I have always said I want Pardew to prove me wrong and I still retain that.

    IMO he will not last the season and Kinnear will not take his job.

    Something about what my mate told me made feel a tinge of positivity for the first time in over a year about nufc.

    Kinnear has known Carr for 20 years and doesn’t know Pardew.

    Llambias knew Pardew for years and never knew Carr before NUFC.

    I know who I’d rather the club back between Carr and Pardew relating to players.

    If Carr gets his picks then Alan has to use them properly or we will find a manager who can.

    I’m not saying I am now positive Beattie but I am starting to think all is not as bad as it seems. Lets see what happens in July relating to incomings and go from there.

    Maybe I have finally hit such a low that I’m starting g to rise from the bottom but, maybe Joe isn’t so bad after all.

    I for one am fcuking glad Derek has finally gone. His casino tactics never did us any good, his recommendations were always shit and his 5 year plan failed.

  • 11 Williamson is Bramble in disguise // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    And in comes Darren Bent, Carlton Cole and Titus Brable for our summer signings, and were all in for a very long season of 442 hoofball!

  • 12 Sazzer // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    In theory it sounds like for the greater good Beattie . If you take out JFK…I’m all for it.

  • 13 Indian Magpie // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    We have a relatively easy start, if pardew fails to capitalise, then we are in trouble

  • 14 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    Beattie25

    Like you I expect Pardew to be gone during next season, but……………and this is the major issue I have with Kinnear in the post of DoF, who in their right mind would want to come and work under him???

    In the past most fans have felt that any manager of worth would struggle to be able to under Ashley, but now they would have to work under Ashley and the loose canon that is Joe Kinnear.

    The list of quality manager that would potentially come to NUFC has just got a lot smaller

  • 15 derekm // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    Kinnear for Lambarse can only be better – surely?

  • 16 cyprus // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    AP will be out by Christmas, I’m sure. Joe to see out the rest of the season. Still, if we sign a small fast striker and two top wingers, they can do well in spite of this dude.
    Get ready for a crazy ride!

  • 17 Tommyy // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Instead of all this upstairs politics, the real need is for technical coaches! Why is that so hard to see for them!? Both Pardew and Kinnear play terribly football, so how are we going to change that? It’s always right ideas and wrong decisions at this club. A boardroom of savvy fans would be a far greater asset than any of these idiots.

  • 18 Sydney Toon // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    Beattie
    I agree, AP will have a very short leash and JK will side with GC a lot more and MA is a huge fan. I didn’t think MA was all about cheaper options, Carr is smart enough to see a good deal and identify clauses. Look at Cabaye, Tiote, Sissoko and then we did spend 10m on Cisse, so I don’t believe that we wont go for 15m players, it just has to be pitched right to MA, from GC and JK we might see some real class come to the toon!

  • 19 remember69 // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    As none of us have the faintest idea of wat is going on I am going to reserve judgement until I see something to back it up.
    One thing for sure, MA is not afraid to make changes. If a MA/DL fallout did occur after the Mackems horror it could well be that MA was unhappy with constraints DL was putting on player recruiting and is willing to invest to mov the team up the table.
    That would explain as possible change in direction for a CB (ie willing to pay for a better option)- I think the next signing will be telling.

    As always, I live in hope……

  • 20 low fell mag // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    Cannot wait ,the old butterflies are starting to kick in once again .
    Life is a roller coaster being a Geordie,but I would not have it any other way.
    Big Joe has done the talk the talk,know lets see if he can do the walk the walk.
    F@ck the negative crap ,enjoy the Ride.

  • 21 Jonny // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    So spurs have Levy, Baldini and AVB in charge and we have Ashley, Kinnear and Pardrew running the club. Someone shoot me.

  • 22 Sydney Toon // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Jonny
    Diff is that Spurs have Bale and Euro football, we have to start all over again!

  • 23 Williamson is Bramble in disguise // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Can we just sign a couple of players that can play either side of papisse in a 433, or move onto the wing for a 451 and one as backup, sell williamson and promote good to the first team squad, sorted! oh and get rid of jfk! i cant see why any manager including pardew would want to work under someone who is less experienced than them, and thats not even taking into account jfk’s repulsive personality!

  • 24 Pugwash // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    JFK’s appointment is bad news.
    He has made even a bigger fool of himself since Sunday.
    The Club in true style have handled his appointment badly.
    Quite rightly we have all (most) had time to vent our fury and let off steam – some will continue (on and on and on)
    But we have what we have and even though the future doesn’t look bright, I think we will have to judge by results, starting with players in and out.
    You never know we may start the season with a much stronger and better quality squad, then next it will be time to judge performance.

  • 25 Williamson is Bramble in disguise // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Hoping JFK can do some good and tell Pards to play benny afrii as a number 10 where he belongs!

  • 26 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    JB

    The same could be said for players who would work under Pardew.

    I think European players are more used to oddball chairmen, rowdy DoF and clubs in turmoil than we are.

    I honestly think that a decent player playing for a decent European club would still come if they got the right money and that’s thanks to our PL status, our stadium and fans.

    I never thought 5 years ago Ben Arfa would play for and respect Alan Pardew but it has happened.

    I’ll agree it will for the time being be a hard sell but many players move on the advice of their advisors not on their own opinions.

    I think our team is an attractive one and people will want to play alongside Colo, Debuchy, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Sissoko etc… regardless of who the mouth cockney is.

    Call me a born again nufc fan, but I think if Aubemenyang was offered a massive deal he’d come.

    In the future Kinnears comments relating to names should be looked at like its his comedic calling card not like he is an embarrassing stain on the club. That opinion was generated by many (including myself) because we were looking for any excuse to hate him. If we liked him we’d have laughed it off.

    If Ashley does take control of transfers then it won’t matter who the DoF is.

  • 27 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    I personally prefer the posters that offer evidence and reason rather than slogans and propaganda but I fully acknowledge that there should be a place for every conceivable point of view on what is an excellent blog.
    Reading the Mag’s Summer editorial Mark Jensen has got it right on Pardew. He writes of Pardew being in a weak position when dealing with Llambias and reiterates the point of our manager being let down last summer. The points that Pardew made in a Radio Newcastle interview at the time was of scoring goals from all around the team. Pardew was the driving force for change to the squad and it was Llambias who not only dragged his heels then but also in January. My understanding is that Pardew in fear of his job made it very clear to Ashley that nobody was listening when he was saying what had to be done to build on a 5th place finish. Jensen makes the point that Pardew isn’t Keegan or Sir Bobby but he isn’t JFK( sic written before his return) Souness or Fat Sam. I personally believe that Pardew welcomes Kinnear’s arrival if only to see the back of Llambias. He doesn’t want t be taken for granted so he’s not rushing to make his views known.

  • 28 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Are we gonna see any additional coaches added to Pardew’ staff?
    And what are the club doing to solve our long running injury nightmare?

    These are the two questions I think most fans will want answered

  • 29 Stevenage Magpie // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    If Kinnear has pulled the plug on Douglas because Carr doesn’t rate him an he doesn’t want to get him in just because he is free. Then in my opinion he has done a good thing there. Lets all just wait and see where we are at the end this transfer window before we start judging what has happen. You can only judge people by their results

  • 30 Cardboy // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    He’ll never go of his own accord for sure, he is not a quitter. He’ll take it the chin I think. Take us up the league though… lol, be nice to win a few away games. We were lucky to stay up last season. Could easily have gone down. Be nice to travel to an away game and come home after witnessing a victory for a change. At least something is happening at the club rather than nothing. Can’t really be any worse, we’re all used to the ups and downs anyways. HWTL

  • 31 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Beattie25

    I don’t think signing players will be an issue as you offer them the right deal and they’ll come, but potential managers are a different matter

  • 32 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    JB

    That’s true but I think if the dust settles come August and we have a strong team and some decent signing here will still be Jo shortage of managerial candidates lining up to take one of the biggest challenges in football.

    Again European managers are more used to crazy owners, loud mouthed DoF and controversial clubs. A young manager would still see it as a massive opportunity. We wouldn’t be able to take a CL manager but we could still aim for top 8 clubs all over Europe for potential managers.

    We are still a big club regardless of Kinnear.

    Wtf am I saying?

  • 33 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    * there will be no shortage….

  • 34 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    Beattie25

    you trying to convince me or yourself??? 😀

  • 35 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    JB

    I don’t know anymore

  • 36 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Beattie your a friend of the blog. Your great on your own its when you team up with that marvellous loud clown that we all bailout on mass. Glad you broke up the partnership not sure whether you resigned or were fired mind you. I don’t have a problem with your conspiracy theories. If they are seen to fail you can always ignore the flaws in your theory by effectively sticking your fingers in your ears and go “la la la I can’t hear you” I find the time to read your input your a Geordie and a football man.

  • 37 Assam Toon // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    http://www.talktottenham.com/2013/06/thats-how-to-announce-a-director-of-football/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TalkTottenham+%28Talk+Tottenham%29

    in the meantime, others are having fun.

  • 38 Sydney Toon // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    JB
    I think Managers like Poyet and Clark would not have much issue coming to the club. It is Managers like Benitez, Van Gaal etc, so it will be interesting who would be in MA and JK thoughts if the sack did come for AP.
    Enjoying the ride

  • 39 slav // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    looking at the fixtures – what do you think as the biggest chance for pardews sacking
    i go for the time between end of september and beginning of november ??

  • 40 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    Ha ha ha.

    I used to dislike you Sack Llambias but you confuse me so much that I now like you.

  • 41 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    I was accused of confusing Mr T yesterday so your in good company.

  • 42 AaranD // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Pardew, Carr and Kinnear have to sit down and agree on the way Newcastle are going to play football. So the formation, tactics, the style of play. Then get the players that fit into the parameters set.

    Going from what a few ITK posters have said, I still think a few coming and goings of the backroom staff will take place.

  • 43 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Sydney

    It’s not that I have an issue with a Director of Football at our club, it’s just that it’s Joe Kinnear who is the oddest of odd balls who doesn’t strike me as the type of man that has the right amount of diplomacy or professionalism to hold such a high powered executive role within our club.

    Sure it’ll be fun for a while but no doubt it’ll all end in tears as everything always does with this club

  • 44 TorqToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    So it appears that GC had some serious concerns re Douglas. Not only with his footballing ability, but with his personality and attitude.

    He has clashed several times with lambias over targets – with Derek looking solely at the financial implications and not at player ability. DL was the person pushing for Douglas as it was the cheap option, and continually over ruled Carr.

    Carr is, and always has been highly regarded by MA. I dont know whether an ultimatum was issued…but either way, NUFC cut their losses.

  • 45 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    I forswear Carver working closely with Kinnear for the next 3 years and eventually steeping up to DoF.

    If he could become Assistant DoF it would give room for a new coaching set up and reward a Geordie with a position of decent power in the future.

  • 46 Big Pappa Cissé (a.k.a - Yohan Kebab, a.k.a - Hatem Ben Afri, a.k.a - Shola Amamobi, a.k.a - Jonas Gultierrez) // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Is it a case of better the Devil you know with Llambias gone . You just know for a fact Kinnear is going to get himself in some sticky messes the way he talks.

    I wonder how the players like the new guy in charge that can’t even pronounce their names. Yohan Kebab, Hatem Ben Afri FFS . N’Zogbia left because of this as well.

  • 47 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Torq

    Glad you put that as that what my mate said. Seems like this is an attempt to do something good rather than intentionally ruin the club.

    I also heard that Llambias was pushing for Gouffran ahead of Remy because of his cost and Pardew favoured Gouffran because of Remy’s perceived playboy attitude. Carr was pushing massively for Remy and Ashley gave the go ahead to get Remy but amazingly the deal ended up falling apart (surprise surprise) and Goofy was brought in instead.

  • 48 LooneyToon41 // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    I’m very glad that Derek has gone. Regardless of ‘personality’ it’s pretty obvious he wasn’t doing a good job. We still need a strong and savvy MD, as JK can’t be allowed to control the purse strings.
    Think Comoli at Liverpool? £35m for Carroll? Where was the Liverpool MD to stop this happening.
    MA is far too busy with SD, to run NUFC, so i expect a new MD/Chairman to be announced very quickly… hopefully!

  • 49 IssedPoff // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Ed, Jokin Ear is not a Cockney. He’s Irish. To be a Cockney you have to be Born within earshot of Bow Bells. Not that large a percentage of Londoners are true Cockneys.

  • 50 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    The fate of the club lies in the hands of Mike Ashley. Nothing has changed. Lets hope he views the January signings as being those we should have made last summer and now make some game changing signings over the next 21/2 months. Is the JK arrival to be seen as a source of good for NUFC.

  • 51 TorqToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Beattie – careful now. You will get yourself a reputation as an ITK!

    That will mean you are merely a ‘remy’ or a ‘kinnear’ away from being ripped to shreds! :-)

  • 52 DokToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    gmorning all, from the dark side of the pond…

    DL gone is a good thing to wake up to… maybe we can now focus on getting soem huge talent, and move onward and upward…

  • 53 WWYCD // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Dekka gone only to be replaced by Kinnear it’s like the punch line to a joke. In his time of employment Kinnear has already made a complete balls up of everything. I will feel no sorrow over Dekkas absence but I won’t celebrate Kinnears appointment either

    Imagine having Kinnear being the top level of management within ur work place only the owner above him…

  • 54 Williamson is Bramble in disguise // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    AaranD – My worry is that between JFK and the Pardmeister, the conclusion of that will be a few limited variations of a 442 hoofing it up to either Carlton Cole or Darren Bent from the back, the only glimmer of light is that GC might get a word in or Pards might remember the 433 that we nearly got champions league with until he reverted to 442 for the last few games and we dropped to fifth. Why we abandoned that last season when its been the brightest tactical spark in all of Pardew’s time here is beyond me, Jeses even Jonas looked good in a new role as a dm, and then this season its back to jonas on the wing and sticking with that dreadful 442 persistantly through the start of the season, and then back to the 451 which looked like a good formation given the team, but was heavily disjointed and had no coordination whatsover due to lack of a european coach to coordinate play. Although im hoping all of this will be evaluated and unlike last season we might assess what does and doesnt work, and change it, possibly even dare i say it, try something new? Providing JFK doesnt poke his nose in too much tactically and get our players back preparing for a match by passing a pigs bladder around in a circle, we might be alright!

  • 55 SuperShearer // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    As always Torq shedding some much needed light on the situation. Again, much appreciated. Keep them coming, they keep us nervous types sane.

  • 56 Indian Magpie // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Torq is beattie’s mate

    i am I T K

  • 57 Indian Magpie // Jun 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Its a case of Ashley not hving anyone he can trust – footballing wise

  • 58 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Good luck at the Doc’s Ed…

    I love the Toon and have done since the days of the mighty Wynn but it feels very much like I am in an long-term abusive relationship…………. :-)

    Glad Llambias has gone… totally without class
    …streaking at the club ……. crass comments about the Carroll deal…. the man was a liability

    … mind you perhaps I should keep quiet until we know the replacement….an ex-Greek Finance Minister maybe…?

    Is the start of a bright new dawn at the toon

  • 59 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    … too much to hope for

    (oops) made the mistake of letting JFK edit my posts

  • 60 Unbelievable Tekkers // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Torq – that sounds about right tbh maybe having JFK in could be a good thing (I will probably get slated for being positive) . Have you heard anything new regarding siem?

  • 61 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    I’ve become everything I hate.

    Positive and an ITK.

    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • 62 AaranD // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Williamson is Bramble in disguise – I think injuries really did mess with Pardew and the pressure got to him, maybe with a bit of luck we would have grinded out some of those 1 nil wins were he was desperate for a win. If we had a fit(ish) squad he would of played 4-3-3 more often, I like to think :).
    Sometimes last season we didn’t look like we had a formation at all, players have to know their role or its just a free-for-all.
    With the newish french lads and whoever we sign this summer, having a good pre-season is a must for them to gel and boost some confidence.

    With the Douglas news, if its under Carrs recommendation not to sign then that’s only a good thing and, although still early days, shows Kinnear is listening to Carr.

  • 63 TorqToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Supershearer – Thank you sir. I will keep trying. Can’t please them all though! :-)

    Indian – Beattie IS Torq maybe?!?!? That would mix things up a little! :-)

  • 64 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Llambias has resigned from the club 😀

  • 65 martoon // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Beattie – Your previous ‘long post’ makes a lot of sense to me – it seems a decision was made to get rid of Llambias and split his role into two i.e. football and financial. This seems very sensible apart from the choice of DofF :)

  • 66 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Kinnear In, Llambias out…

    I don’t know if I should be happy that Llambias is gone, or fuming that Kinnear is back.

    Oh these mixed emotions..

  • 67 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/8782901/llambias-resigns-as-newcastle-md

  • 68 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Beattie

    relax… say to yourself…

    “It’s not my fault….I follow the Toon”

  • 69 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Our club is hilarious though.

    I’ve been thinking about Kinnears faux pas and I feel a little sorry for him to be honest.

    He’s 66 years old for gods sake and I’ve met a few old timers who can’t pronounce names properly.

    As for his excessive lies, well there are grains of truth and a lot could be out down to old age.

    Why am I feeling positive Indian

    Nothing yet. I never post what he tells me as I think he is full of crap but I thought his view was quite an interesting one.

    He is 100% confident this is good for the club and that Kinnear will balance the club out better than Llambias did.

    He didn’t mention how Pardew was feeling about it all other than to say Alan was heartbroken over last year.

    As for transfers he reckons Joe will listen to Carr and Alan and find middle ground before telling Ashley who we should go for, regardless of cost. It’s then up to Ashley to say yes or no.

    Apparently we will be looking for the best deals not the cheapest, hence why Douglas will not be coming in. He was the cheapest CB on the list but so far down Carr’s recommendations that the deal was called off.

    I won’t be airing anymore of his views as I think he is talking rubbish but it interested me.

    For example Kinnear did bring Krul to the club when he recalled him from his loan at Carlisle. He did play over 400 games for Spurs if you include cups and youth games. He won manager of the month 3 times not manager of the year.

    Why am I being positive when all around me are being negative and why is it vice versa when people are happy?

  • 70 Beattie25 // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    IGNORE MY POST!!!

    I PASTED SOMETHING IN IT BY ACCIDENT

  • 71 toonluvva // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    For as long as I have posted on this blog I have called for the removal of Mr D Llambias. I always felt that he was a dead weight holding the club back.

    At last I have my wish.

    I also teased months back that we would sack Pardew and that his replacement would be a certain Joke Kinnear. Mr Ashley, that was a joke, if you do read this site which is highly unlikely, JFK IS NOT the answer. Never has been and never will.

    I agree with the appointment of a DoF, but Joke?

    My last posts were all about losing our flair players, Cabaye, Hatem, Cisse and Krul. I still expect them to go. It’ll have taken them less than 30 seconds to see Joke for what he is and clamour for a speedy move out.

    Championship football is still on the cards for September 2014.

  • 72 Tommyy // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    JackButler – you’re only several hours late!

  • 73 Rotonda heights // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Assam

    You beat me to it. If only we were run like Spurs. Good young modern progressive continental manager and vastly experienced, non controversial and still relatively young continental D.O.F.

    Instead we have 2 egotistical dinosaurs locked in a power struggle and dragging us all to hell.

  • 74 LooneyToon41 // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    @65 martoon. 100% agree mate. There must be a new appointment for MD/CE on the horizon to handle the financial/admin part of the club. Do not let JK anywhere near a NUFC chequebook……!!
    The rumours about MA not being happy about the WONGA deal (because this could reflect on Sports Direct), also seem to make sense too.

  • 75 wolfshead@toon // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    nice blog atmos today see jfk coming back was a good thing after all if it got rid of that tool lambrusco :-)

  • 76 Sinner // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    The scouting team must have been monitoring Douglas for well over 3 years and he cancels it because he doesn’t have a f***ing clue who that player is. Brillant! He already said he will be on the lookout for championship players that he and Mike can buy on cheap and sell at high price!No ***king ambition from this clown!

  • 77 LooneyToon41 // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    @73 Rotonda. Levy?? OK, maybe as preference over JK, but still LEVY??? He’s an arrogant, power hungry baffoon!
    “Let’s sign Louis Saha in Jan” – we will definitely qualify for the Champs league then! -SPURS

    Sorry, just don’t like or admire Levy at all.

  • 78 LooneyToon41 // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    @76 Sinner. Douglas is overated imo

  • 79 LBMag // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    RE: Joe Kinnear.
    I am still in shock from the utter absurdity of this decision. Not only has Kinnear’s arrival once again turned our club into a joke; it will undermine all the good work that has gone on over the last 2-3 seasons. Last season, despite some very good signings in January, was certainly disappointing and I (along with many other fans) found myself consistently frustrated by an outdated, ineffective and dull tactical approach which seemed to have alienated not just fans but some of the players as well (Demba Ba, Yohan Cabaye).However none of this comes close to topping the seemingly wilful stupidity of hiring Joe Kinnear. This is a man who’s career highlight was leading Wimbledon to 6th place in the 93/94 season, an achievement which earned him his ONE manger of the year award. Since then he has contributed to the relegation of 3 teams (Luton, Nottingham Forest and Newcastle), whilst achieving practically nothing of any note in football in the last 10 years.
    His interviews betray a detachment from reality that would be comical if it weren’t so worrying. Not only are we told he can open the door to any manager in the world at any level and speaks to Fergie and Wenger “week-in week-out”, an assertion I am in no position to prove false but one which I find so hard to believe that (if it were true) I would gladly sit down to a large bowl of my own hat. But also, that he would have kept us up in 2009 despite winning only 4 of his matches with us. Furthermore, he apparently signed Tim Krul and James Perch whilst giving Andy Carroll his debut. The fact that all of these took place before he arrived or had any affiliation with Newcastle seems irrelevant to his claiming he is due credit for them. When we look at his actual transfer history with Newcastle we see that he sold Charles N’Zogbia and Shay Given (arguably two of our best players at the time) and signed Kevin Nolan, Peter Lovenkrands and Ryan Taylor (part of the deal for N’Zogbia). So, he sold one of our most technically gifted players in N’Zogbia and a ‘Keeper who had consistently performed at the top of his game for years contributing significantly on several occasions to our staying in the premier league – how many times did he save us points with his acrobatics in goal? And how many might he have saved us in the second half of that season? Admittedly these are speculations, albeit ones that bear thinking about given that Kinnear is to be in charge of transfers. In terms of who he signed the list is not atrocious but it certainly doesn’t inspire hope either. Lovenkrands did little and I doubt anyone would be thrilled by the arrival of an equivalent now. Kevin Nolan was a big part in our getting promoted after relegation and in our first season back in the premier league but for all his attributes he is by no means a technically gifted flair player who lit-up St. James’ (after all its no surprise Sam Allardyce is such a fan) or helped the team turn into a more modern, possession based team from the European ilk. Then there’s Ryan Taylor, no doubt a useful squad player and lovely guy but not the man who’s going to launch us into regular European football, or even the top 10 for that matter. Moreover, he claims to have a great track record in bringing players in on the cheap and selling them for a good profit (presumably demonstrating his eye for players), but as a career total he has spent about £27.25 million and recouped £31 million. Hardly very impressive figures, even considering that most of his business was done in the 90’s when transfers were done on a far smaller scale.
    More importantly in my eyes though is what type of player we will be seeing come into Newcastle with him in charge of transfers. His most successful period gave to rise Vinnie Jones and ‘The Crazy Gang’, certainly not the type of football I want to support and watch every week. His biggest (most expensive) signing was John Hartson and with him now looking for a striker my footballing sensibilities have been left with the overbearing feeling that something horribly wrong is about to happen – a feeling akin to being told Don Revie is taking over and wants to put some bite back into the team. In a summer when the progressive step forward in a process of development that stretches back 2 years would have been to introduce a technical forward that could link the midfield to attack and some more European style coaches to help the play on the pitch, I now fear that we’ll be hurtling backwards with startling rapidity into the footballing cesspit of the 80’s and early 90’s.
    Rather than solving the problems last season highlighted (out of date tactics, lack of creativity and fluidity, etc.) all available evidence suggests that Joe Kinnear will simply make these problems worse, consolidating our mediocrity.
    A few short weeks ago I had dreams of Roberto Martinez or Laurent Blanc coming in as manger for the next stage of the clubs progression, or at least a Director of Football and additional coaching staff who understood entertaining, technical, possession football. I still find myself thinking I will wake up from this farcical nightmare but with every passing minute the reality of it sinks in a little deeper. Please Mike Ashley, what are you doing!? Your success is testament to the fact that you are not a stupid man but in what possible world does this decision make sense? You are running a business and just about every aspect of Kinnear’s history tells you that he will manage only to diminish the worth of that business. I could forgive his relentless mispronunciation of any even remotely exotic name and utterly crass and blundering press appearances if it weren’t for his total lack of footballing pedigree in the last 10 years. Football has evolved and we need only look at who has been successful in the last decade to see how it’s going. Barcelona at club level have dominated European football with a philosophy of attacking, technical, organised and entertaining football, while Spain have done the same on the international stage. Bayern Munich and Dortmund’s more recent success reflect a transformation in Germany which aims towards a similarly technical and tactically astute brand of football. In the Premier League we have seen Swansea perform well above initial expectations on a minuscule budget with just such a philosophy. Southampton’s appointment of Pochettino demonstrates an understanding of this trend and I have no doubt they will reap the benefits over the next few seasons. Every team that has consistently fought at the top of the table has aimed to play some variant of this type of football (United, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs) and those that strive to be there are only closing the gap by doing so. A year ago Liverpool had overspent on mediocre British players with a manger who clung to an outdated mode of football, they replaced him with a manger who understands modern football and in the space of a year have transformed they’re playing style, laying the groundwork for a genuine chance at achieving champions league football again in the next two seasons. In contrast, our tactical approach reverted to the rigid, one-dimensional football of older days and we were rewarded with a relegation scrap marked by a poignant 6-0 demolition by Liverpool. How is Joe Kinnear the person to turn this around and set us back on course? He was out of date in the 90’s. There is nothing in his track record or his interviews to show that he has any understanding of the modern game or that he will bring anything but a regressive attitude to both tactics and player recruitment.
    Although I may not have always agreed with the decisions made at board level in recent years, I could at least find the logic. Chris Hughton’s replacement, if a little harsh, made sense. Similarly with the renaming of St James’ Park and the subsequent deal with Wonga; not ideal decisions but financially they made sense. This move however boggles the mind. I can find no conceivable reason why anyone, let alone a billionaire businessman, would put Joe Kinnear in charge of anything at a football club that didn’t operate through a time-machine stuck in a permanent 80’s loop.
    Please, if we must be subjected to watching this happen to our club, please give some form of explanation that is based on fact rather than ill-defined, essentially meaningless statements such as “Joe has many years of experience working within the game, and this experience will be of great benefit to the Club in achieving our objectives over the coming seasons”. Please enlighten us as to what experience he has that will be so valuable and what objectives this will help to achieve!

  • 80 Rotonda heights // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Looney

    Did I mention the owners? no just the mangers and D.O.Fs

    last 3/4 years Spurs have finished in the top 5

  • 81 Rotonda heights // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Looney

    Levy is not their new D.O.F It’s baldini

  • 82 HullMag6 // Jun 19, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    All Joe knows is football pure and simple

    So no media skills rabbit in the headlights and going off on one etc.

    But hes hired for footballing reasons alone.

    SD sourced financial director to manage the money – no problem with that

    Does this mean last minute kit/sponsorship change in the offing?

    It could actually make APs life and lot a better one. No restrictions if the targets are right, Douglas was only a target because he was cheap he is way down on a list from GC according to a few sources on here. 1 year wasted on a plan hamstrung by unnecessary financial constraints. Losing Remy and then sign 5 shows MA is thinking about possible success after avoiding relegation.

  • 83 check the toastie // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    Joe Kinnear is clearly a plain speaking guy. What has he actually done wrong, swore a few times at Journalists (Scum), so what, got a few names wrong, people are precious these days eh, who gives a f#ck.

    If the quality of the signings are good this summer and Pardew still plays his negative brand of shite then he will get the bullet as JFK is not his pal. I imagine Del Boy and Pards have been pulling the wool over Big Mikes eyes, no more, the bullet is imminent and I for one welcome a change.

    Clearly Mike trusts Joe to tell him the truth, the truth goes a long way eh.

  • 84 check the toastie // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    PARDEW OUT

  • 85 ITUNDERASHELL // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Afternoon Torq,

    Ashley wants Carr to trawl the European market for value and due to this he must have access to his views hence Llambias is on his bike and Kinnear in to mediate between Carr and Ashley.
    Newcastle must adopt the continental model in order to bring The best out of our French players and play a modern game, for this reason Pardew will have to learn to play that way and remember he is only a part of the recruitment team and not in total control of it.
    The manager needs to bring out the best in team but must buy into the football philosophy the owner wants to achieve success on the pitch.
    Pardew was let down last season because Carr’s potential recruits didn’t come into the club till January and left Pardew with little chance to integrate them into a modern European team.
    Pardew will get his chance to do that soon and if he fails will have to walk.
    Kinnear will also have to follow Carr’s recommendations because Ashley wants highly skilled modern footballers for value and so the continental approach adopted.

    That’s my take on it mate.

    Any news on a coach or recruits or are we back to square one?5

  • 86 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    Check, He also told a pack of lies and slagged off the supporters. Your probably correct though that MA does trust him.. If you get what your hoping for and Pardew is out this season he will also be our next manager. I hope you think it is worth it.

  • 87 Joe Blog // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Oh well, I for one look forward to the morbid spectacle of Kinnearache becoming our manager and his dicky ticker giving out in the midst of a match, on the touchline…. 😐

  • 88 hadthetshirt // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    If that gob shite jfk has pulled the plug on Douglas but will listen to G.C.then we may get Mamadou Sakho,Siem de Jongh,and PEA after all.But if he tries to throw his weight around then I fear the worst.He’s so far up his own backside it’s untrue.
    I’m all for Ashley taking control of negotiation’s as he did well in January.Maybe this whole mess may just work out.

  • 89 wolfshead@toon // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    @85

    he slagged off the fans who he knew would slag him off from his last tenure i think joe believes in the philosophy of attack being the best form of defence haha – hopefully he can transmit that belief to pards when it comes to tactics on the field

  • 90 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    wolfshead, do you remember the football under JFK when he was manager last time. The bloke has only worked for 6 months out of the last 8 years. Do you honestly think if he was not mates with MA he would ever get another job in football? Nobody else would touch him with a bargepole.

  • 91 wolfshead@toon // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    tequila

    it wasnt great i admit but we werent blessed with a lot of talent and overburdened with freeloaders and he did keep our heads above water if he hadnt had health probs who knows we might have not been relagated

  • 92 OhSholaAmeobi // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    it’s funny how much the anger at Pardew over the last few months has completely disappeared within a few days…

    I don’t think Kinnear is here to replace Pardew, he’s here because Llambias was obviously a shit negotiator and had no football knowledge (Pardew said it was impossible to get money out of him) whereas JFK must have a tiny bit.

    The real issue is on the playing side and if Pardew can buck his own trend and go back to doing well in his 3rd season then there isn’t a problem. I don’t think the transfer/finance side of things has anything wrong with it.

  • 93 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    15.5 million plus add on’s for Andy Carrol!!!

    So we screw Liverpool on the deal and in fairness to them they have now screwed West Ham.

    The lad has never been worth more than 10 million

  • 94 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Wolfshead he won 4 games out of 20 we were in freefall.

  • 95 wolfshead@toon // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    @ tequila

    werent we 12th when he had a heart attack?

  • 96 nufc_eire // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jun/19/andy-carroll-completes-west-ham-move

  • 97 G // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    I will reserve judgement on all these changes, in the hope that everything turns out well. Currently though I do believe that bringing in JFK cannot be a good thing. I hope Beattie’s comments turn out to be near the truth regarding the circumstances of JFK’s appointment and DL’s departure. Currently I suspect that the club will have me in tears, not tears of mirth or joy either. I hope I’m wrong.

  • 98 weg // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    JK’s appointment is a result of DL’s inadequacies. Not just in recruitment but also in financial affairs. Didn’t he take the Wonga deal without offering richard branson a chance to bid? Virgin Money might have offered even more for sponsership. Maybe – because Ashley isn’t a great communicator – DL was expected to be open with the fans, and he wasn’t. And maybe Ashley wants JK to recruit players for their quality rather than for their cheapness. The best deals rather than the cheapest deals. JK might not be the best, or most restrained candidate for DOF but he is a football man, and maybe that’s what our recruitment strategy needs.

  • 99 ITUNDERASHELL // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Ashley knows Carr is a scouting genius who unearths value in the market where Ashley can add value in the long term to his club.
    Therefore anyone who impedes there development will far the his wrath and shown the door.
    Properly coached European players need to play the way they have been trained so Pardew and Kinnear will have to adapt and learn or they will walk and for this reason a modern coach must be brought in to help Pardew adopt a modern approach and if he doesn’t like will be on the bus down to the smoke.
    The only alternative to this system in my view is for Ashley to sell up.
    What do you think lads?

  • 100 nufc_eire // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    I wonder did we have a sell on clause inserted in Carroll’s contract! 20% of that 15m fee would be nice

  • 101 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Wolfshead, another one of JFK whoppers we were 15 th and had not won for 6 games.

  • 102 wolfshead@toon // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    @tequila

    lol ok fair enough

  • 103 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    I know alot of this have been posted already, but I just thought I would share it anyway since it is the first time in the last few days that I have actually smiles and laughed!

    http://www.teamtalk.com/fanzone/15164/8781519/Kinnear-arrival-is-no-laughing-matter

    …laughing hysterically with tears in my eyes of course, but still laughing!

    I think we should try to have him committed – surely there laws protecting us, Newcastle and everyone else from this lunatic?

  • 104 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    We all know that Llambias was/is a complete waste of skin so seeing the back of him will only be a good thing for the club.

    But why the hell does Ashley bring in Joe Kinnear?

    Ashley has this trend of employing people who have no track record for the role’s that they are given.

    Our player recruitment is not in question, we are signing top players with little outlay on transfer fee’s and our wage structure is low compared to most top flight club’s throughout Europe.

    But what have Kinnear and Pardew ever done to justify their role???

  • 105 WWYCD // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    We signed anyone yet? Surely even Ashley knows to announce a signing soon to distract us from all this horse crap!

  • 106 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Knowing Kinnear, we’ll probably get rid of:

    Ben Arfa
    Cabaye
    Marveaux
    Santon

    and sign:

    Lescott
    Milner
    Gareth Barry
    Danny Welbeck
    Phil Jagielka

  • 107 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Yo…I fear who we will sign to be honest :(

  • 108 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    Wolfshead, I sincerely hope he does a good job, I don`t want anybody who is working for Newcastle to fail. But MA should tell him it is not his job to speak to the press, ever. Everytime he opens his mouth he makes us look like a joke club.

  • 109 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    All together now

    “There’s only one Carlton Cole”

    😉

  • 110 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    tequilamag

    It’s what he’s gonna say to the agent’s and potential players that has me really worried

  • 111 WWYCD // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    jesper
    Hmm u may have a point but am willing to gamble my happiness it’ll be a few decent signings. Have faith in Carr and holding out hope the fat helmet at the top learned from last seasons complete balls up

    Even Dekka leaving hasn’t lifted my mood ffs

  • 112 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    JB, it does not bear thinking about.
    Jesp, it`s the last paragraph of that link that is most disturbing.

  • 113 Stevenage Magpie // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Ketsbaia I would take all of them players tbh

  • 114 Stevenage Magpie // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    I wonder if when Ashley leaves we will miss this drama. Treat us mean keep us keen. Like a bird who loves it an abusive relationship because she gets bored with a nice guy lol

  • 115 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    WW…,
    The happiness I had this time last year when Leon Best left not because I disliked him in anyway but because it was soooo obvious that he was being sold to bring in a top draw striker.Wrong. Now on the flip side the happiness I should be feeling now Dastardly has walked the plank has been totally overshadowed by the employment of this clown.

  • 116 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Can we now please stop the Andy Caroll polls.

  • 117 Stevenage Magpie // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    I also wonder if Carroll has asked for a release clause in his contract so we can come and snap him up at a later date? If he was so desperate to come back here then he may have thought about it

  • 118 HullMag6 // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Either way you look at its interesting times ahead.

    Id be up for a cheeky approach to Laudrup if AP walked or was pushed.

  • 119 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    JFA can we have a poll as to whether or not we should have more AC polls.

  • 120 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    They’re all very poor apart from Milner who’s average.

  • 121 LooneyToon41 // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    @79 Rotonda. Re : Levy. Fair point, apologies on baldini etc,
    but Levy is NOT the owner. He’s just the Spurs puppet, ala Derek L.

  • 122 Mister Tuff // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    NEWSFLASH.
    JK has arrived at the training ground. He was photographed this morning getting changed into his training kit.

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01389/shoes_1389718c.jpg

  • 123 JTOONJ // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    Does anyone else think that MA had no choice but to re-employ JK?
    As a person who runs a business if one of my employees is under contract which JK was when he fell ill, he is technically still under employment whether i replace him or not, therefor legally MA had to re-employ him or risk getting sued by JK?
    Just another alternative perspective which i think happened!

  • 124 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    I dread to think who will come in as MD.

    With any luck though, it will be Chris Mort at least for an interim period.

  • 125 slav // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    i wish we had a puppet like levy at nufc

  • 126 WWYCD // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    JfA
    Haha aww I had no happiness when Leon Best (is mint) left, I really liked the lad in the end. But I see what u mean

    Dekkas demise just allowed Kinnear to be reborn with more power…but if movies have taught me anything his long lost son will bring forth a rebellion and lead us to a greater future, no?

  • 127 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Hull mag,
    No offence as I like your posts but did you post that because you’ve nothing else better to do or do you actually think that Mike Mashley would pay 10M compensation and that Laudrup would come here on 450K a year and answer to Joe Fuskin Kinnear.

  • 128 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Pardew staying…mmmmmm….part two of the Ashley master plan not quite going to plan then!

  • 129 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    WW…,
    I liked ‘Besty’ a lot, I thoughg he done a great job both in the CCC and in the Prem, but I was happy to see him go as the only logical reason for selling him was to bring in a better player, unless Mike used mystic Meg and saw the broken leg.

  • 130 archaeomag // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    @Mister Tuff
    nice – you got to laugh or you would go mad .

  • 131 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    my only real fear about all this irrespective of whether Pardew stays or goes is will anyone of any note want to join the circus that is NUFC now, and will our purples want to stay….

    All to unravel very shortly and I suggest JFK needs to pull off a blinder recruitment wise within the next two weeks otherwise the natives will become restless

    Come on Joe…show us what you’re made of…

    …or is that not a good idea cos wind and p!ss from a 66 year old is never great is it!

  • 132 ParisToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    As I posted earlier this morning, this circus is down to Mashley trying to get his own back on AP for not willing to renegotiate his contract for having a sh1t season. I understand also that when AP does go, no other than David O’Leary has been lined up…. Last but not least, JFK and Collo are not the best buddies.

  • 133 HullMag6 // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    Jfa, There’s still a chance of Laudrup walking from Swansea as he and chairman Jenkins arent seeing eye to eye and that could implode at any time

    Similar scenario Pardew/Llambias after finishing 5th differing opinions as what the club needs apparently. Just a wish jail but if not him someone similar.

  • 134 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    fux sake not DO’L…another useless tactician who doesn’t know how to utilise subs…jesus that’s a step backwards…I’d rather have JFK in charge over DO’L

  • 135 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    Paris Toon

    I hope to God you are wrong but on the strength of what you posted earlier:

    “ParisToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:17 AM

    Definitely not ITK but have just heard that the reason we now have this farcical situation
    is because Mashley wanted to renegotiate AP’s contract after the mess of a season,
    AP said no so Mashley brought in his boozing buddy JFK to teach him a lesson
    ….Mashley apparently has no long term interest in the club and is waiting for a decent offer.

    Also it seems that Lambarse and Mashley are not on speaking terms after Lambarse tried to resign
    …watch this space!”

    which I’m pretty sure you posted BEFORE Llambezi resigned

    I am now feeling a little bit scared….

  • 136 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    Where’s Mark Maghee when you need him??? if he’s out of work he must be a good candidate surely

  • 137 WWYCD // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    JfA
    Logic?! Ha nar mate flog him for profit reinvest in the summer BBQ fund we don’t need no stinking strikers!

  • 138 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Paris Toon

    Any chance of the upcoming Euromillions numbers?

    Then I could put that towards a syndicate to buy Mashley out…..

  • 139 WWYCD // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    Ashley’s waiting for a decent offer? What’s there to be scared off hopefully he will get one and sod off

  • 140 Indian Magpie // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    paris toon

    anything on transfers?

  • 141 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    WWYCD

    Not scared of Mashley but JFK as DoF and DoL ain’t my idea of a dream team…

  • 142 Rotonda heights // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    Sparky

    ”otherwise the natives will become restless”
    Don’t you think that boat has sailed somewhat!!!

  • 143 Bearsize // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Jfk comes through the door and DL goes out. I am starting to like this guy!
    Also think the club should build a statue of shola so he can put it in his front garden as he is his only fan

  • 144 ParisToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Foggon…just got the text last night that Lamearse was on his way out, apparently to avoid the media at the weekend(JFK announcement) he went to the US before his own announcement today. The only other info I’ve been told is that Mashley is lining up NUFC for a sale.

  • 145 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    This closed season is the time to sell for sure…that’s why he spent so much to keep us up in January…the new sky deal gives prospective buyers improved long term income, the 50,000 fan base will always be there and more so when Ashley goes, the new wonga deal is for 3 years I think, the puma deal for the same period and no on-going transfer payments…so the club is perfectly set up to sell and hopefully we’ll see some movement on that anytime soon.

  • 146 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    rotonda…natives being players, not us dumb ass loyal supporters!!! :-)

  • 147 WWYCD // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    foggon
    Don’t worry mate his heart will give out before Jan too much stress from every football fan in the land hating him

  • 148 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    I think the club is in turmoil to be honest.

    I can’t think “Lambeezy’s” departure was planned. It suggests he was not happy with the appointment of JFK over his head + the general embarrassment of having to deal with Joe’s PR disasters over the last few hours.

    JFK has made the club look even more of a shit-show than normal and that reflects badly on Dekka.

    No MD, a walking disaster for a DOF, a manager who is undermined (and was hardly in good standing beforehand).

    Mash has excelled in making the club a farce again.

    Seriously he needs to get his act together now and address the management structure of the club.

    This will effect the results on the pitch.

  • 149 John Tudor // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    should felt scared when keegan left

  • 150 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    P…I think he’s in advanced negotiations to sell and this(JFK) is his last piss take and sticking the big V’s to the fans who forced him away 4 years ago…remember…big fat elephants never forget!!!

  • 151 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Sparky – yes but hiring JFK on a 3 year deal and allow him to spout what he spouted on national radio without a retraction of any kind is not a way to add value or saleabilty of the club

  • 152 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    Thanks Paris…

    that gives me hope that the post-Ashley era may be in my lifetime!

    …though with the Toon curse maybe it’ll be the Venkys (ha!) next…NOOOOOOOOO!!

    Apologies to WWWYCD my post wasn’t clear …

    (?? will you be changing that to: WWYKD ? :-) )

    but the thought of David O’Leary makes me want to self-harm.

    Also apologies in advance to you Paris if you now get the dreaded “ITK” tag …

    I think I’m just desperate for good news/ info – which is probably greedy with Llambezi gone -and my ouija board is broken…

    Come on the Toon!

  • 153 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    I would not get too excited. If he sell it will probably be to an even worse owner.

  • 154 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    P…It’s peanuts in the scheme of things…the new owner would sack JFK in a flash and that’s Mikes Payback to JFK for stepping in when he did to replace Keegan and for now for get Lambias and Pardew out before the sale goes through

    When you sell a club for 250 million what’s 450k in the scheme of things?

  • 155 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    John Tudor…

    I WAS both times…

    We could do with another modern John Tudor type player at the club now.. what a signing he was as a foil for Supermac

  • 156 John Tudor // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    i think a hibbet and a barraclough would be more acceptable

  • 157 Black and White with an army lol // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    Andy Carroll signs for West Ham United this has got to be the best news iv’e heard so far, what a belta.

  • 158 Rotonda heights // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    Ah John Tudor takes me back to my first home match v Liverpool. Keegan scored for Liverpool within 5 mins but Tudor then scored 2 and we won 2-1. Alleluijah John Tudor…

  • 159 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    kinnear and barraclough…no that would be a joke!

  • 160 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    sparky, don’t buy it.

    what is happening is not an orderly sale of the club.

    Lambeezy would have known about any potential sale (due diligence and all that) and he would have stayed on for an orderly transition to the new owner’s MD and had a nice pay off for doing so.

    Any potential owner would insist on an orderly transition and he would not be allowing Mash to make appointments that not only are a PR disaster and reflect badly on the club but also add acquisition costs.

  • 161 WWYCD // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    foggon
    Haha if he stops I might otherwise its back to the drawing board

  • 162 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    When the Glazers bought Man U they borrowed the money and all that debt rests on the club. The interest they pay on that is ridiculous. Now as long as Man U are in the CL every year not that big a problem. I don`t like MA but he has not borrowed any money from the banks to buy Newcastle. Be careful what you wish for. If MA did sell up it is just as likely to be a Glazer type buy out as to some Sheik with more money than sense.

  • 163 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    Getting Ashley to sell up could land us with an owner of even worse proportions.

    What we need is to get Ashley to stop hiring from the scarp heap of Football. There is only so far you can go with has been’s and never will be’s

  • 164 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    you’re talking very logically and with some sound business sense behind you…but we are talking Mike Ashley here so logical thought and following traditional due diligence process is not something MA would necessarily follow…not IMO anyway!

    and I think MA owed JFK the remainder of his original contract so maybe he’s just getting it in now before it’s sold

  • 165 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    Hibbitt, Barrowclough both great Joe Harvey bargains.

    Or is it Hobbitt and Barryclough?

    Joe’s best signing – in my humble opinion – was Tony Green. I can NEVER forgive Crystal Palace for their part in ending a truly fabulous player’s career.

  • 166 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    give me an Arab and we’ll be flying!

  • 167 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Foggon don`t forget Fat Tommy Cassidy. Like Socrates he played the game at a walking pace and rarely broke sweat. Sadly that is where the comparison ended.

  • 168 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    sparky55

    We’d all take and billionaire oil baron coming in, but chance’s are we’d end up with an East End Market trader

  • 169 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    and don’t forget Zico…he was the funniest!!!

  • 170 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    Well….

    Goodbye Lambeezy, you will always be remembered by this club as a true bu!!shitter and a noble purple.

  • 171 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    Jack…knew you hadn’t given up!…I’ll meet you in the bar at our first home game…every one of those 350 miles will be worth it when you step into the cauldron!

  • 172 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    Tommy Cassidy ..wow long time since I heard that name.

    Signed from Bohemians? Crazy sideburns?

    Always thought Irving Nattrass didn’t get as far in the game as I’d hoped.

    ..what about John McGrath…fly in now…explain it to the ref after the game…

  • 173 John Tudor // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    silky jinky

  • 174 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    I think a “debt” or personal obligation to JFK is behind his appointment. A sentimental appointment rather than a logical one.

    However, I honestly do not think Mash realizes what he has done in terms of the longer term fall out.

    All he has to look forward to now is JFK propensity to cause mayhem and MD recruitment. Likely a new manager in the not so distance future.

    Whilst this is going on, are we really going to be able to get signings processed?

  • 175 John Tudor // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    tommy gibbs first goal

  • 176 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    Yeah Glen Keeley a tackle loved as well.
    Nattrass and Kennedy, best full backs in history. That was a great team to watch. Brilliant at home but poor away.

  • 177 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    sparky55

    I won’t be making that trip for a long time mate :(

  • 178 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    Jinky Jim Smith was a great player. But your right Terry Hibbert was a great player. Pretty long ball by todays standards but he must have made half of Supermacs goals

  • 179 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    P…I agree…at the top of this thread I said exactly the same thing…who’s gonna come to us in the state we’re in now and how difficult will it be to keep our purples…WOTS is three purples have all but packed their bags before all his shit hit the fan so god knows what’s gonna happen now

  • 180 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Jack…don’t worry…I’ll pay for the first pint!

  • 181 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    sparky55

    😀

  • 182 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Jinky Jim £100,00 from Aberdeen – I think

    The TV highlights of where he was pulling the strings in an FA Cup game against West Brom still an all-time fave.

    Tommy Gibb I do remember… not always best liked by some of the crowd but every time I saw him he gave his all.

    Mind you – in those days – you could buy a whole team – and STILL have change from half-a-crown

  • 183 santonthenewmaldini // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    Imagine if we actually got some top targets this summer ?

    PEA has still not signed for someone neither has De Jong… we have lots of money to burn

    Turned down Douglas because he was low on the list maybe just maybe we are bringing the A game players to the club this summer !

  • 184 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    @182, you need to kick that crack habit fella

  • 185 nufc786 // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    http://blog.squawka.com/2013/06/19/top-5-premier-league-teams-outside-the-top-7-who-created-the-most-chances-featuring-newcastle-and-west-brom/2013061911237/

  • 186 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    Sparky you keep alluding to 3 purples who are definitely going. A few weeks ago you named them as HBA Cabs and Colo. As Colo has since came out in the press to state he is going to honour his contract don`t you think it is time to come clean and admit it is pure guesswork on your behalf?

  • 187 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Foggon do you remember the stick Frank Clark used to get. Makes what happened with Simmo seem small beer. Mind you he went on to play for Forest under Clough and won one or two European cups.

  • 188 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    I think Cabab wants out. Who knows about the others.

    Anyway, everything changed in the last few days.

    Club is in complete disarray, hard to gauge what will go on in the coming weeks, unlikely to be good though

  • 189 DokToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    we have lots of money to burn? from where may i ask?

  • 190 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    @188, JFK told us we have as much money as Monaco

  • 191 santonthenewmaldini // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    @p

    This is me without the crack!! Seem to remember I said the same in January how amazing it would be if we signed Mbiwa and Sissoko in the same window……look what happened there !!??

    Na on a serious note I actually think we will sign someone really good pretty soon as the natives are getting more restless now that Carroll is gone we still need a quality striker big Joe will convince Ashley that we should spend big on a striker maybe Cabaye will go but we should try sign players before he does

    If we sold Cabaye for 25 million and with the money got in PEA, De Jong and young Tom Ince and Redmond what would everyone say to that??

  • 192 lesh // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    Sparky – kinnear and barraclough….

    That the Mr Barraclough of Porrige?

    And, Tequila, Jimmy Smith was £100k from Aberdeen.

    Terry Hibbet’s passes to SuperMac were just that, measured passes, not hopeful hoofs!

    Tommy Gibb was often derided by the fans but his off the ball runs were very very good, taking defenders with him.

    And what about John (somebody torn him rooms) Tudor? Another gem of Joe Harvey’s.

  • 193 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Maybe Frank brought a bit of it on himself with that moustache – it was a shocker. Don’t think we treated him particularly fairly at the end but it worked out for him thanks to the mercurial Mr Clough)

    The elegant David Craig – now there was a classy Irish defender… (obviously not a patch on the legendary JFK though :-) )

  • 194 Rotonda heights // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    To be honest Pardew has never been comfortable working with skilled technicians. He’s far happier with workaday journeymen in his own image so to him ”purples” are probably a hindrance. In his eyes why have a Cabaye when you can get a Spearing!!

  • 195 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    Lesh, I never mentioned his transfer fee but thanks for the info.
    Never accused Hibbert of hoofing it either, he was the most accurate passer on the team, but by todays standards it was long ball not carpet football.

  • 196 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    @190

    I think we will see a couple of decent signings but I doubt they will be spectacular.

    I think Bent will be the striker.

    My rationale is that they need someone who is somewhat proven rather than a 20 year old african guy playing in the french 2nd division who has potential – we may get that kind of player as well but we I think we will definitely see a Ba replacement but I do not think it will be a big budget signing but, as we have seen before, you never know with Mash

  • 197 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    I should add, if the money was there for a big signing, we would have signed Carroll.

    I think we are looking at 6-10m with reasonable wages, not the 100k Carroll is supposedly getting at West Ham

  • 198 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    Westood is a pirate. Nothing really changed much in terms of the fans opinions of the guys in charge.

  • 199 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    tequila…the nudge I got was three purples would be leaving and that still stands…the guess work on my behalf was who they will be.

    Cabs is now a dead vert
    HBA has to be a favourite too
    that leaves Cisse, Colo or krul as the third

    what do you think?

  • 200 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    lesh that’s the boy! :-) and Roy kinnear was Les Dawson’s side kick

  • 201 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    I think I might hang back from this blog until the dust settles and the speculation dies down a little.

    But here are the facts about our club:
    – we have not been a force in the PL for any more than about 3 or 4 seasons in a row
    – we are currently the 7th/8th biggest team in the PL when you consider revenue, wage bill and valuation of our squad
    – Approx. £130M of debt is interest free to Ashley rather than being owed to banks or other clubs under the previous regime
    – Most owners do not just give their own cash to football clubs any more (Chelski and Citeh being the obvious exceptions in the PL), but they do loan the club the money as an investment, like Ashley has done
    – Even if Ashley did pump in let’s say £200M over the next year to get us into the CL, we wouldn’t even be allowed in because of FFP
    – Ashley is not being tight when we don’t spend on huge wages or huge transfer fees, he is being prudent given that it’s NUFC’s money. Everton have done this for years and it’s worked well for them. We are bigger than Everton in many ways so should be able to do better.
    – Pardew is staying until at least Nov/Dec so managerial speculation is pointless
    – There is no logic behind signing old has-beens as some people have claimed. Ashley will still want value for money.
    – JFK is a weird person but he’ll only embarrass this club if we let him. It was called “character” when people acted like that at Wimbledon, and the mackems probably call Di Canio a “character” too.
    – there is zero evidence that any of our key players are unhappy with Pardew or want to leave
    – we had serious injuries and losses of form to key players last season, completely opposite to the season before
    – Spurs’ revenue (6th highest in PL) is 50% higher than ours meaning we just can’t compete if a club wants to offer £80kpw wages

    Before anyone thinks that I’m happy with the current situation, I’ll offer you my opinions:
    – Ashley is a very astute businessman but has made some prime cock-ups on the football side of things. That’s why I’m happy with him doing what he does now.
    – Pardew is a steady choice as manager and although I question his tactics at times, I think he’s good enough to guide us to consecutive top 10 finishes. If he doesn’t, he should go.
    – JFK seems like a complete nutcase, but so did Clough and so does Di Canio. I’m not going to take his antics too seriously and neither should anyone else. If he does his job then I’ll be pretty happy.

  • 202 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Oops…long post…

  • 203 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    Why is it a dead cert that both Ben Afree and Yohan Kebabs will leave?

    …did it fail to see some logic in the mist of all the commotion :-)

  • 204 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    lesh, tequila

    I’ll ‘fess up that was MY fault I put the fee down but managed to miss a 0 off the end … bloody decimalisation!!

    ..mind you he was worth every penny of what was a large fee in those days..

    Seen some great players at the Toon over the years..
    Hopefully we will keep the best of what we have AND make some good additions this coming window

  • 205 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Christ, he’s gone and we are still using this ‘purples’ rubbish!

  • 206 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Santon…Like your thinking but I still think your shooting high with expectation on the standard of player we as club in our current predicament will be able to attract.

    As P has also already said, the main striker target has to be Bent, if we can get Tom Ince that would be great but with his Dad also his manager I’m not sure he’ll pick the Toon as his son’s next move…but I think we could get Redmond

  • 207 cyprus // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Not many comments on Lambezee quitting, but seriously, who’s the most senior person currently at the club? Who’s to run the financial side? Surely it ain’t JFK. Surely.

  • 208 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Sparky, whoever nudged you probably knows as much as you or me, Lots of guesswork in silly season some more educated than others. I rate TS as a poster but not when it comes to ITK for Newcastle. He was 100% Pardew was going.
    The reality is if stupid bids came in all of our players have their price and to be honest I have no problem with that. But it is a big stretch to say anyone of our purples is def off.

  • 209 John Tudor // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    the gnomes of zurich

  • 210 Tsunki // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    I think after the appointment of JFK as who-knows-what, the departure of Lambeezee, the gobsmacked silence of Alan ‘an interview a day whether you want one or not’ Pardew, it would be probably for the best to take what any ‘insider’ says with a pinch of salt. Let’s face it, I could predict Curbs to come in as assistant coach and I will have a 50% chance of being right. :)

    Still intrigued by all the rumours though they make intriguing if not comical reading, keep them coming!

  • 211 kevymartins // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    Who ever invented the laptop is a genius. I’m on the toilet right now 😀

    So we get west ham first game or city?

  • 212 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    If Darren Bent is our main striker target, I’ll have pretty much lost all hope for the club.

    Bent is shite. We already have Ameobi.

  • 213 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    I will second that hope Foggon mate.

  • 214 John Tudor // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    the laptop was actually invented by a guy sat on the pot

  • 215 John Tudor // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    citeh

  • 216 Mister Tuff // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    gonufc – I agree we need to stop using this purples rubbish.
    Casino Spiel………………………………………………….OUT.

  • 217 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Tsunki on the bright t side it`s over 48 hours since JFK made a tit of himself, so definite signs of improvement.

  • 218 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    cyprus – good question, who is at the wheel?

  • 219 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    kevymartins

    for christs sake pls switch off your webcam :-)

  • 220 John Tudor // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    he wanted to call it a lapplop

  • 221 kevymartins // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    @Foggon your making me paranoid now this is creepy hehe

  • 222 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    TEQUILA…the nudge was first hand from an employee of the club who I did some work for so I’m happy it’s accurate but only time will tell.

    Everyone poo pooed me when I said Cabs would be leaving a month ago…and don’t care what anyone says that’s a nailed on certainty…the rest as they say is pure speculation

  • 223 LooneyToon41 // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    Long Post TDS! 😉 Have to agree with much of it.
    I just love the start of ITK silly season.

    I also agree with ‘p’ regarding the sale of the club. What’s happened over the last couple of days isn’t in line with MA actively looking to sell. In reality, i think NUFC is always for sale, if the offer was right for MA.

    I really have no idea what will happen this summer in terms of transfers in or out, but we DO know, that if we receive a very good offer, we WILL sell, because only Chelski,Citey, and ManU are not selling clubs in the EPL.

    DL resigning is 100% good news…

  • 224 David B's Toon // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    ToonDarnSarf very objective opinion! I wouldn’t worry too much about the hysteria. Especially with regards Mike! After all: he created it. Why? Well look at all the free publicity. Cha-ching, I bet you can hear the cash register from down there. Whilst Mike is here-good, bad, or indifferent, Mike will find a way of making the headlines. To think I questioned his marketing. He’s got his strategy worked out-all right. That you can be sure!

  • 225 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    would any of you be saying bent was shite if he hadn’t played for the mackems even though he did score 36 times in 63 games for them?

  • 226 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    Much rather we get Adam Le Fondre over Darren Bent. Would cost about the same, except one of them can actually score goals.

    Bent scored 2 goals in the premier league, 6 in total (all competitions)

    Le Fondre Scored 12 in the PL and 14 in total (all competitions)

    Le Fondre is also younger.

  • 227 Marty-Toon // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    ED,hope the Doctors appointment went good for you.
    That’s a lot more important than discussing Kinnear,Pards and Lambiass
    Hope you’re well

  • 228 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    @ kevy

    Don’t worry didn’t see much…

    ..but you might want to get that looked at…. :-)

  • 229 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    Who gives a dam who he played for in the passed. 36 goals in 63 Appearances for the mackems… woopty do. What are his stats since then, hardly as impressive, not to mention his abysmal showing for all of last season.

    Generally, you want to sign players in form/in their prime/have potential.

    Bent has not been on form for a year, He is passed his prime, he was never gonna get better then what he got for Sunderland and he is too old for people to say ‘ he still has potential’.

  • 230 Rotonda heights // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    santonthenewmaldini

    Pardew and JFK would f..k up Messi, Ronaldo and Bale!!

  • 231 toon kk // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    The main thing now is for everything to calm down. Let’s hope we get some great signings in. NOT Bent there’s better out there.

  • 232 LooneyToon41 // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Bent is a mercenary. His attitude is everything that’s wrong with football today.

  • 233 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    No offence Sparky but all organisations are a hive of gossip.
    I don`t doubt your source works for the club but that does not follow that everything he hears is correct. I worked for a large company who sent round a mass email saying there was big announcement to be made in 48 hours and there was tons of rumours none of which turned out to be true but whoever was passing the info one was absolutely certain their version of events was correct as they had got it from so and so who worked for
    somebody else who must know what was going on.

  • 234 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Oh sparky, FYI

    Carroll scored 11 goals in half a season when he was with us. What are his stats since then?

    Just because someone accomplished something in the passed, does not mean they will do it again.

    To improve, you buy players in form / show great potential. You don’t buy ‘hasbeen’ whose 15 minutes of fame are gone. That goes for our players as well, if they can no longer put in a consistent in form shift for the club, ship them off.

    I.e. Tiote Judging from last seasons train wreck, Guttierez, Obertan.

  • 235 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Phoenix..how many minutes of football did he actually play last year due to injury and not being picked due to falling out with his gaffer…hardly representative don’t you think.

  • 236 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    LooneyToon41

    I agree regarding selling. I don’t see why Ashley would appoint JFK if he was selling up unless it was some kind of condition from the potential buyers. Seems odd. Ashley is a businessman though, so you’re right, the club and all of our players will be sold if a bid comes in for the right amount.

    As far as our players go, I don’t even think it’s down to Ashley to make that call. If Man Utd tell Cabaye that they want him to be the fulcrum of their play and take over from Scholes, don’t you think he’ll want to go? I wouldn’t blame him would you? So then it’s just down to finding the right valuation for him (somewhere between £15M and £30M).

  • 237 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    @200
    Don’t let me stop you !

  • 238 Tsunki // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    Anyway I never got to reprise my song so here it is again (cough…cough..ahem)

    Lambeezee,Lambeezee,
    Lambeezee’s Gone,
    ‘E’s on ‘is way…. ALL TOGETHER…..

    Lambeezee……..

  • 239 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    @236,
    I thought you were going ? !!!!

  • 240 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    I’m glad that there are people here who are not as daft as to think that Bent is the answer to our problems.

  • 241 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    tequila…nowt you can say will ever offend me!…but like i said 2 months ago…let’s have this conversation on the 1st of september and see who’s nearer the truth

  • 242 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    David B’s Toon

    Mike doesn’t want the headlines. What he wants is for the name Sports Direct to be mentioned as much as possible so it can be perceived as a genuine sporting outlet rather than a store for charvas.

    It made me laugh that I wanted to get a tennis skirt for my girlfriend and they had a grand total of 2. On the other hand, if you want to buy a pair of tracky bottoms to laze around on the sofa, they’ve got bloody hundreds…

  • 243 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    @Sparky, Granted that should be taken into consideration. But then what does his Injury record, his falling out with managers tell you?

    His injury record will not get any better with Newcastle, that point is as clear as day given how busy our injury table is pretty much every season.

    Do you see him keeping quiet when under Pardew’s direction?

    Your counter point has only served to make Bent look even worse.

  • 244 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Phoenix…never for one minute said he is the answer to our problems..what I’m saying is JFK thinks he’s the answer to our problems…that’s different altogether

  • 245 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    I know it would be a nice thought but don’t get your hopes up about Mashley selling up, while he’s plastering his logo free of charge all over our stadium he isnt going anywhere, the club isnt costing him anymore and as long as we stay mid table he can breathe easy, so I think we are stuck with him and his idiotic, selfish and erratic decision making for some time yet.

  • 246 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    @240 I do not think it is the right solution, just the solution the club will go with

  • 247 BandB // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Jinky Jim ruffled my hair once when he passed me in the street. “Gis a kick oya baaal!”, he smiled. He flicked it effortlessly onto his knee, and then, in one of those cartoon moments from “Jimmy of City”, and with a wee “Och ma boab!”, lobbed it over the wall of nasty Mr McConachie’s yard. He ruffled my hair again, and scarpered. I had to ask for it back.
    Bastard.

  • 248 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    jail…that depends on who he buys into when he’s sold us

  • 249 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    The only quote I can find where JFK mentions Bent.

    “But I will suggest we find somebody with the pedigree that guarantees you 15 goals a season. I don’t know where the Bent link came from, and that’s why this week we will sit down together and go through everything so we can get cracking and get players in.”

    What part of that suggest’s he wants Bent.

  • 250 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Jail

    I didn’t say when.. :-)

    I’ve got a double excuse as I’m going to be busy for the next few days anyway, so hopefully things are a bit clearer with a new MD, progress on signings etc. by the time I’m back…

  • 251 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Toon Down Sarf

    I reckon Mike’s sussed that NOBODY wears a tennis skirt to watch Jeremy Kyle :-)

  • 252 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    Phoenix…we can rattle on about this all night if you want to but IMO I think the club will very soon be signing Darren Bent.

    In your opinion I’m talking out me @rse but that’s fine…that’s what blogs are all about but dog and bone immediately spring to mind.

    Lets agree to disagree shall we and move on in a respectful manner

  • 253 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    BandbB, ahhh meeting your heroes is often a letdown. Hope you got your ball back.

  • 254 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    FOG…quality! :-)

  • 255 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    I’m not a great fan of JFK, but I do think the media have done a real hatchet job on the guy. He did make it easy, and they obviously saw easy pickings, but still…

    Many of the comments he made could just be misunderstood very easily. For example, if you want to interpret it one way, Kinnear could be saying that he brought Krul into the first team squad. Beforehand he was either on loan or in the reserve team. He didn’t actually say he “bought” Krul.

  • 256 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    foggonridiculous

    Damn true! I don’t think that would be a pretty site imagining most couch potatoes either…

  • 257 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    TDS

    if you’re serious about wor lass DON@T buy owt for her from that store the quality really is poor!

    The damn thing would probably unravel and she’ll end up showing more than Kevymartins did with his laptop.

  • 258 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    We should play a game with the ITKs…here’s how it works.

    Each ITK can mention as many players as they like that they believe we are going to sign this transfer window:
    – if we don’t sign them, they pay £10 to a pot
    – if we do sign them, they get £10 from the pot
    – signings don’t count if the link has already been reported by mainstream media
    – all cash left over in the pot goes to SBR’s charity

    I’ll personally vouch for any overflow if the ITKs predict more correct signings than incorrect. Hehe. There’s less chance of that happening than we have of signing Messi!

  • 259 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    There is no way in hell bent will join, MA has just employed a DOF to enforce his under 26 policy, he ain’t going to break that for a has been with a sh1te career injury record and extortionate wages
    Micheal Owen ring any bells?

    And thank fcuk Andy Carroll has finally bloody signed for west ham!!!!

  • 260 Markaccus // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    Foggon and tds

    Thanks to you two i now have a mental picture of an average female jezza kyle guest in a tennis skirt. (Fat hairy 55 year old brummie single mother of 12 kids)

  • 261 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    foggonridiculous

    Haha! It was a spontaneous thing mate. She’s only just taken up the game so I’ll see if she continues to play before I buy her anything quality!

    She puts up with me, so she’s easily pleased anyway…

  • 262 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Markaccus

    steady man…that’s me mam you’re talking about.

    and it’s 13 kids now…she had a visit from JFK last night

  • 263 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    TDS you trying to tell me Messi is not going to sign. My hopes are crushed I thought that was nailed on certainty. Oh Well plan B, on to Ronaldo.

  • 264 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    TDS
    Surely you weren’t surprised by anything in Sports Direct!
    I went in for a toon shirt and they didn’t bloody sell them!!!

    Markaccus
    Stop it mate, I’m getting all hot! 😉

  • 265 Markaccus // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    Bloody hell Fog

    JFK can impregnate “yo mama” and make her give birth in less than 24 hours. He really is amazing 😀

  • 266 scout // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    People comparing shola to bent, you’re the mad ones not Kinnear FFs

  • 267 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    They didn’t sell them down here either! Plenty of Chelski, Utd and Liverpool things though. That’s obviously because Liverpool and Manchester are in Surrey…

  • 268 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    TDS
    Went to one near me in Crawley
    Couldn’t get a toon shirt but was quids in if i wanted a Celtic or rangers shirt!!

  • 269 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    tequilamag

    I reckon we could just about afford Messi if we sold our entire playing squad you know! Then we could pay him £1M a week and play him alongside the kids.

    Hmmmm….

  • 270 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    …well that’s what he told me and I believe him 157%.

    …you gotta admit it kept him quiet for 24 hours…

    …he’s hung like a gerbil and shouts his own name out at the end of the “performance

    “…mis-pronounced that too apparently

    …me mam’s not sure she was too busy knitting

  • 271 kevymartins // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    I didn’t know jfk was into acting?

    I saw him with a main role in rise of the footsoldier last night.

  • 272 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    Tequila…not to worry the Messi transfer is still pending 😀

  • 273 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    I tell you what…if Newcastle United had Sports Direct banners all over the place to promote Sports Direct, why didn’t Sports Direct have banners in their stores saying “Sports Direct, the sponsors of the Barclays Premier League team Newcastle United!”

    Wouldn’t that have made good marketing sense?

  • 274 BandB // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    tequilamag

    I did get the ball back, having explained to Mr McConachie how lucky he was that a local hero had kicked a ball into his yard.
    It came back with “love from Jimmy Smith” written in crayon, and a small poker burn.

  • 275 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Someone mentioned earlier whether all that’s gone on has made people more defensive of Pardew and I must admit that I am feeling somewhat defensive of our manager given what seems like Machiavellian manoeuvres behind his back.

    I find Beattie’s insights interesting, and while I do think JFK has disgraced the club with his comments in the press and that a much better DOF could be (and should be) found, this change in management structure where we have a football director and a financial director could be the way forward for the club in the long run.

    I’m simply very confused, angry, and deflated about what has gone on in recent days, but the news of Llambias’ departure has uplifted me a little. If we bring in an astute financial director, if JFK, Alan and Graham can forge a working relationship and we get some decent players in then perhaps it won’t be a disaster after all.

    Just to make it clear, I do not, nor will I ever, agree with JFK being Director of Football, if the blueprint proves to be a success then we should be signing a proper continental DOF to work with a proper continental manager to bring us the style of play we should be seeing from this bunch of players.

    It all remains to be seen though.

  • 276 scout // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Plenty of toon shirts in the Worthing branch, maybe creepy Crawley sold out haha

  • 277 tequilamag // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    BandB, that story is only slightly less horrific than the one where you headbutted. Keep the faith, no boycotts from you I hope this year.

  • 278 kevymartins // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    @Scout why not get a loan of wonga and order the shirt online from the official store and pay the £10 delivery bloody robbers.

  • 279 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Ruddy

    I agree with you almost completely there. Apart from having to bring in a continental manager. Fergie and Moyes seem to have done pretty well, and Rodgers is managing a top 6 club now too.

    I don’t think the nationality matters. But I do think that JFK has to do an awful lot of good things to make out for the fact that the man has verbal diarrhea

  • 280 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    No Toon shirts in Woking either, just loads of charva clothes and Foggon’s Mum lookalikes trying on ‘sports gear’ that’s 2 sizes too small…

  • 281 cyprus // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Still on the toilet man?

  • 282 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    DarnSarf

    Well perhaps should clarify that we need a manager who plays a more continental brand of football, something that Rodgers seems capable of doing at Liverpool, I’ll settle for a home grown manager if he can get the best out of our players, something I think Pardew is incapable of.

    JFK will never win me round, but the best that he can do is to show that having a DOF is beneficial for the club in assisting the manager and forcing through signings.

    Horses for courses, as crazy as it may seem, could JFK be the right horse for this particular course? I’m sceptical of course.

  • 283 ParisToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    I’m not sure the fact that Mashley has SD advert around the stadium would make any difference as the sale would probably include long term advertising contracts legally binding to continue as interest payment for the 130 mill loan. My own view is that he’s bitten off more than he can chew in terms of managing his investment…who knows?

  • 284 kevymartins // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    @Cyprus nope I don’t have indigestion problems like our Director of football.

  • 285 toon kk // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Its been a hectic few days at NUFC. You never know what to expect when it comes to MA usually disappointment. Just hope he improves our lackluster squad.

  • 286 Sazzer // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Get French Football ?@GFN_France
    OFFICIAL: Panathinaikos confirm they have released Jean Alain Boumsong from his contract one year early.

    JFK called?

  • 287 foggonridiculous // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    BandB @ 247, 274

    Superb story, beautifully told

  • 288 Sazzer // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    The Joe F**king Kinnear rap`
    ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCPJWyqfFQI&feature=youtu.be

  • 289 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Ruddy

    I’m sceptical too mate. JFK is a nutcase, but if it works then it works.

    Pardew did state that he wanted to run the play through Cabaye for a more passing style of play, and it’s not as if we’ve signed players for a British style is it? All this daft call for 2 wingers and 2 strikers, would just send us back to 4-4-2 and we’d be like Stoke.

    Cabaye wasn’t at his best last year and Ben Arfa was hardly fit either. Hopefully we’ll add another striker and another creative player to the squad and then with the new boys getting a pre-season under their belt, we can play the kind of football that Pardew promised us.

    I’m holding him to those promises, and I’ll give him until Christmas to do so. If we’re bottom half or not playing half decent football, then it would be a good time to ship him out and get someone new in before January.

  • 290 Sazzer // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/8784032/U21-top-targets

  • 291 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    So it is horses for courses!

  • 292 beddersmag // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    We are going to regret not buying AC mark my words. 7 goals and 4 assists in 24 at west ham. So directly involved a goal every two game is decent, and i know he was involved indirectly in a lot more. Could have had him for his career. West Ham broke the bank to sign him which shows you his value. Gutted

  • 293 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    ParisToon

    I don’t recall saying anything regarding that to be honest.

    And the £130M loan is interest free. My understanding is that if Ashley were to sell now, he’d expect at least £300M, £267 would pay off the entire debt and the rest would be profit.

    Honestly, if Ashley sells our club to a decent owner and it’s then debt free, he’ll go down as a NUFC hero in my book.

  • 294 beddersmag // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Involved ‘in almost’ a goal every two sorry…. before someone points that out :-)

  • 295 tomellifred360 // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    #276 Oi Scout! As an exile living in Crawley I do not appreciate your comment. You must be very old if you live in Worthing :)

  • 296 BandB // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    tequilamag

    My faith will never be in question. I love my team unconditionally. But I’m no Stormtrooper, y’know.

  • 297 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    beddersmag

    Er…no we won’t.

    Because you don’t pay £15M and £100kpw on a “decent” player. We want to be a top 6 club and if he was that good, then Liverpool wouldn’t let him go or at least another top club would have come in for him.

    West Ham are crazy…and they need him more than we do. We’ll get someone just as good for a lot less money.

  • 298 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Boumsong would be a good replacement for Willo. He’s got good premier league experience.

  • 299 beddersmag // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    I reckon kinnear is brought in as bad cop. The team are mentally weak and pardew might be too close to some of them to do what is required. Also think he will be the hatchet man to sell one or two of the crown jewels. Deflecting criticism from pardew (who needs more of that like a hole in the head) with his rhino like skin. Looking at his signing he seems to favour british steel which might compliment what we have. Hes a loose cannon but punched above his weight at wimbledon so will give him a chance. Problem is the media will bait him every press conference waiting for him to bite, so its only going one way for him in the end- at least it will be interesting :-)

  • 300 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    DarnSarf

    We do need 2 proper wingers if we are going to play 4-2-3-1, which is what we played from Jan until the end of the season, but I wouldn’t want to see a return to 4-4-2

    However having a number of strikers battling it out to be the starting ST could be beneficial, Cisse had no competition after Ba was sold and that needs to be remedied.

  • 301 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Kets, please, the grown ups are talking.

  • 302 toonking // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    I am currently listening to a football talk show and what he has just said about football makes sence why boycotting a match won’t work.
    the money that is put into football today is way over the top. the total gained from match days is the equivalent to pennies so the only way a boycott would embaress him is if you did it for a full season.
    the biggest loss would come when the tv no longer want to show games when we got relegated the tv revenue dropped heavily and that was probably why Ashley wanted to sell the club because as soon as we were promoted he stopped again.

  • 303 scout // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Levy
    10 quid you’re joking!!!

  • 304 John Tudor // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    hot news jfk on his way to confed cup lookin to sign tacho

  • 305 Tsunki // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    Ketsy – Boumsong? Put the lid back on that stuff.

  • 306 toon kk // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    Imo I’m pleased we didn’t get AC don’t get me wrong he will score goals but would he be any good for us? We already lack pace and we no longer have Joey to supply him. Just hope we don’t get Bent either.

  • 307 John Tudor // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    not a bad dribbler but sh1t hot tackler

  • 308 scout // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    295
    I live I Goring Fred, I’m not old though. But there are loads of old people here you’re right pal

  • 309 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    Ruddy

    But the roles you are talking about aren’t filled by wingers. Granted, we need someone to compete with Cisse who is better than Ameobi and more experienced than Campbell. Goofy can do that, but I’d like to see someone like Ba who can hold the ball up better.

    As for the wide attacking players, we already have Goofy, Ben Arfa and Marveaux in those roles. I’d like to see one player signed in that position too.

  • 310 scout // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    Fred, I apologise pal. I met that Geordie striker in Crawley a few year back, big lad, hit the bar against man. U in the cup. Can’t remember his name was at York aswell

  • 311 beddersmag // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    ToondarnSarf

    Your opinion, i will stick with mine. We will see who was right in time. People say Ba was better. How long was he here? He wouldnt have asked for 100 k to come home and 15m would be cheap if he stayed for a decade. We will gamble on a cheap foreign import who might adapt instantly. But might take a year or two. You pay a premium for proven british players and transfers fees will be up due to new sky deal anyway so in context with last year its maybe 12-13m. Oh well we do have Shola as the target man option :-(

  • 312 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Ruddy

    Having 2 top strikers plus 2 of Goofy/Campbell/Ameobi in the first team squad also means we can go for 2 up front when we need to.

    I reckon the defence is pretty well sorted unless someone leaves. We have Tiote, Sissoko, Anita, Perch and Cabaye who can handle the defensive and offensive central midfield roles, and I think we need those 2 more attacking players as I said.

  • 313 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    DarnSarf

    The roles I am talking about are filled by wingers. In a 4-2-3-1 you need 2 wingers who will provide width and service for ST with a CAM in behind to exploit the space created by these wingers.

    Marv is not a wide attacking player, not a long stretch. I’d like to see how HBA can do in the middle, and Goofy should be tried in the middle as a second striker with Cisse to see how he does, rather than being played down the wing, I think he works hard but likes the crossing ability or ability to trouble the full back by bombing past him so in that sense I’d rather we sign a couple of wingers.

  • 314 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    beddersmag

    You’re guessing he would have asked for a lower wage. But unless he was willing to accept about £40-50kpw, he wasn’t going to fit into our wage structure. Are you suggesting that we should have signed him to replace Cisse, alternate with him or play alongside him. He wouldn’t really fit in with our style of play and just because he’s a Geordie doesn’t mean we should have signed him.

    I’d have backed him 100% if he’d have joined us, but I’m not overly upset that he hasn’t.

  • 315 IITianToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    1. As per reports,Mertens prefers to go to Napoli. So thats one Dutch league promise we wont be seeing for sure.

    2. Looking at the fixtures, we should be aiming at 4 wins out of our first 7. Points total: 13 from 7.

  • 316 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Ruddy

    None of the top teams play with 2 wingers any more. Sorry mate, but your formation suggestion sounds more like something that works in Championship Manager…I remember having loads of success with players “in the hole” when I used to play the game.

    Traditional wingers hog the touchline and their jobs are to get the crosses in and cut inside when they can to contribute with a goal. Seriously, how many wingers can you name in the top 6 sides? And how often have they played with 2 at once?

    Modern attacking midfielders need to be dynamic, like the ones at Chelsea. We’ve got the likes of Ben Arfa and Marveaux to do that role, with Cabaye controlling the play.

  • 317 beddersmag // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Yeah im guessing he would have come for the same as he was on probably a bit less. Colo reportedly on 65k so assume he would have had to come in on 65-80. However given premier clubs have just had a massive increase in sky revenue and 70% of revenue goes directly to players, then again you would expect the salary band to increase slightly to figure that might have attracted him.

    I think he would work very well with cisse up front. Or instead of him as he is far better equipped to play as a lone striker. Could be an impact sub or play deep in a 3. Like most top sides id like us to have 4 top strikers and rotate players and formation depending on the situation

  • 318 GeordieTwo // Jun 19, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    To me the resignation of Llambias suggests he did let the owner down last summer. He sat and did nothing after saying what a brilliant squad we had. His concept of purples and excellent backups was completely wrong. Pardew did chime in it seemed but I also remember him warning about not strengthening. Ashley probably felt let down by Llambias and this is the price you pay after a 16th place finish. No more purple bollocks and talk of excellent backup players. Now let’s see what Kinnear actually does in terms of squad strength and getting rid of the dead wood.

  • 319 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    DarnSarf

    If you look at Chelsea, as the example you’ve given, the front three players they play on a regular basis are Mata, Hazard and Oscar. Oscar is the player more regularly played through the middle, while Hazard and Mata run the channels more.

    While you may not characterise them strictly as wingers, they are attacking players who focus their attentions down the channels more often than not. They have the capacity to cut inside, but they also have the capacity to take the ball past the full back and deliver a cross.

    It seems that you’re of the belief that having a player “in the hole” with 2 wingers (we can quibble over what defines a winger) is archaic, and needless to say I strongly disagree.

  • 320 santonthenewmaldini // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Man Utd play with wingers all the time under Ferguson stretching the play Man Utd also score lots of goals with crosses into the box!!!In fact so did Moyes at Everton!!

    You need wingers to provide something different its why we look so lop sided and struggle to break teams down because we never get the ball into the box quickly you would see a total difference in Cisse if he knew there was going to be quality arriving into our box !

    In fact you would see a total difference in our team if the likes of Jonas were replaced with players with pace and crossing ability

    Not 100% sure if we can rely on Marveux, Arfa and Cabaye what if they get injured or are still depressed?!?!SO we need guys who can create chances when our main playmakers are not working

  • 321 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Everyone must watch this the jfk rap.

    http://youtu.be/HCPJWyqfFQI

  • 322 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    Sarf
    Spurs play with two wingers and width. Pardew could well look for a short passing game with Anita as the holding midfielder. Anita’s one touch pass and move style could really up the pace of our possession.
    Irrespective of what formation we employ the players need to be fitter and better prepared than they were last season.

  • 323 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    And if the question is “who are our dynamic attacking midfielders” the answer most certainly isn’t Marveaux.

    He has not played with any regularity in the 2 seasons he has been at the club, shows a poor work ethic when asked to track down the wings and doesn’t have the pace to go outside beat the man and deliver a cross, which as far as I am concerned, he needs to be able to do.

  • 324 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Ruddy

    Wouldn’t you say that both Marv and HBA are better suited to the No#10 role?

  • 325 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    JB

    I’d definitely say that I’d rather see both HBA play a more central role, even though HBA has more typically been used down the wing throughout his career, I’ve always thought his skill set would be better suited through the middle.

    As for Marveaux, I think his poor tracking back necessitates him being played in the middle, also I think he can pick killer passes much better through the middle.

    Which means we need players to come in and provide width for us.

  • 326 djm... // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Our problem is we have too many deep midfielders who ‘can’ play a bit further up, we don’t have any attacking specialists. We have a massive gap between the midfield and cisse and this is no ones fault, we just don’t have the players.

    In my opinion 2 quality specialist signings would help this, one for the Center and one for the left. This is all our first team needs to compete.

    If the rumours are try in respect to PEA and de Jong, this would be the perfect two signings if Jk hasn’t already scared them off. De Jong to sit on cisse’s toes and link the midfield of sissoko and cabaye with the wingers and striker.

    Also needed is an upgrade with squad players to allow for rotation.

  • 327 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    *both HBA and Marv

  • 328 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    beddersmag

    Firstly, no way would we have signed him for more than our top earner! If Carroll got over £65kpw, then Cabaye, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Krul and the rest would all demand a pay increase.

    Secondly, 70% of revenue does not go to the players. Last year, we had a 67% ratio but that was considered too high and we will be looking to reduce that in the coming season.

    Finally…we’re not a top side capable of keeping 4 strikers happy.

    Just because he was available and he’s a Geordie, does not mean he was right for us.

  • 329 brian kilclines pony tail // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    i am worried because as a MD i didnt like lambizi, the timing of him leaving and jfk’s appointment is too much to ignore. i think he has left because he doesn’t agree with the decision to bring kinnear in, just like every one else.

    our owner has a massive erection for jfk and i bet its because of his wimbledon bargain basement days, but this were a lot of years ago now, i was still at school and am now 33!

  • 330 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    djm…

    We do have the players if we play a straight four in midfield with wither HBA or Marv just behind Cisse

  • 331 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Bedders
    Carroll wasn’t reported to be on £65k we was on £80k at Liverpool
    He wouldn’t drop his wage demands for anyone, why do you think we stopped any interest in him
    And yeah imo ba was better, miles better

    How can people say Carroll be here for his career? Absolute BS if he came back and stayed for his career no one would be thinking wow that lads loyal
    No they’d be thinking your a failure lad, couldn’t hack it being at a club where you weren’t hyped up as the golden boy so ran home

    One of his demands was also the number 9 shirt

  • 332 santonthenewmaldini // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Marveux is great as a no 10 in the times we have tried him there he has caused a lot of damage but just when he seems to play a few games he either gets injured or someone like JOnas comes in his place

    For me Arfa has played his best football for us on the left wing where he has set up a lot of goals yes he cant have shots on goal as much but he rarely scores from them anyway

  • 333 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Ruddy

    But instead of Mata and Hazard, we have Ben Arfa and Marveaux. None of those players are wingers, but they can all do that role pretty well.

    What you’re suggesting is that we have 4 out and out attacking players. So that would mean that we’ve got Cabaye, Sissoko, Tiote, Perch and Anita all competing for 2 defensive midfield berths and Santon and Debuchy have to be very defensive fullbacks.

    Instead, we have signed 2 attacking fullbacks so the plan must be for them to be able to push forward.

    The only player we’ve got who is capable of being “in the hole” is Ben Arfa. I’d be happy for him to take that role against some teams, but not others.

    I’d love to see a dynamic style of play with Cabaye dictating the play and plenty of dynamism from a front three, with the fullbacks offering support on the wings too.

  • 334 djm... // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Then who gets forward jonas? Obertan? Or leave HBA and cisse to get on with it, just like last season?

  • 335 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Anyone comparing the relative talents that Llambias and Kinnear possess only need to recall the players Pardew wanted last summer. He wanted a right back, goal scoring CB and a ST. What we got was a very talented versatile cenqtral midfielder. My money is on JK doing a hell of a lot better in meeting Pardew’s wish list.

  • 336 GeordieTwo // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    First 8 fixtures:
    17/08/2013 15:00 Manchester City (a)
    24/08/2013 15:00 West Ham United (h)
    31/08/2013 15:00 Fulham (h)
    14/09/2013 15:00 Aston Villa (a)
    21/09/2013 15:00 Hull City (h)
    28/09/2013 15:00 Everton (a)
    05/10/2013 15:00 Cardiff City (a)
    19/10/2013 15:00 Liverpool (h)
    Realistically? Possibly 10 points from the first 8 games. Losses to Man City, and Everton, draws with West Ham, Fulham, Cardiff and Liverpool, wins over Aston Villa, and Hull. Unless Kinnear is a genius in acquiring good players of course.

  • 337 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    JB
    No I completely disagree that benny is a true number 10, he’s never played there in his career that was a little project we wanted to try
    Benny is far far far to greedy to play that role he has no idea when to pass the ball, all he would do there is lose possession I also think he needs to be wide, he needs that space to get to the byline or cut in
    He would get bullied like no ones business in the middle

  • 338 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    djm…

    If we play Marv behind Cisse then we have Goufran and HBA to play out wide, for me neither Jonas or Obertan should be anywhere near the first team but thats a sad reflection on how Pardew see’s things and the depth of squad we have

  • 339 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    I don’t agree that Spurs played with 2 wingers though, I think they played with similar attacking midfielders to Chelsea, and sometimes had 1 winger in Lennon.

    Man Utd used to play with 2 wingers, but they haven’t done it for years. They have Valencia, Young and Nani but how often have they played together and on the flanks?

  • 340 beddersmag // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Toondarnsarf

    They WILL be demanding increases, or they will leave dont be naive. I said 70% as a rough figure across the board. Ok so im 3% off. Even if we get that % down slightly and completely buck the modern global trend as you suggest we will, then it will still be a helluva lot more due to amount we are getting extra in revenue man.

    Are you suggesting this extra revenue will not go to players in roughly the same proportions as now?

    We might not be a top side capable of keeping 4 top strikers happy but i like to think we could keep two happy.

    I never said he is right for us as hes a geordie mate but that is indeed a bonus imo

  • 341 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    It isn’t his natural position i know, but taking the squad as it stands today we need that link between the midfield and Cisse, Pardew see’s Sissoko as a No#10 which he simply isn’t so we are left with Marv or HBA

  • 342 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Geordie Two
    That has to be the most negative prediction I’ve ever read coming in to the season

  • 343 Novocastrian66 // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Pardew’s position and role within the club hasn’t really changed. He had to report to Llambias, now he has to report to Kinnear. Their ability or qualifications to do the job are questionable. A lot of people on here often complained that Llambias was not a football man. Well Kinnear is a football man. So with Llambias gone is the new set up a better one than the previous one?
    Decka’s role was reduced greatly that’s why he has resigned, not because Kinnear got the job. I do not want Kinnear anywhere near our club, however is he an improvement on Llambias?

  • 344 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    beddersmag

    If they demand significant increases then they will be sold. Have you not been following this club under Ashley? There is no way that he would agree to rocking the boat and paying 1 injury prone and decent English striker double what many of our other first teamers are on.

    If he is that good, then why did nobody else want him?

  • 345 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    DarnSarf

    There is a certain thing called competition within a squad. Having Sissoko, Anita, Cabs and Tiote fight it out for central midfield berths can only improve the standards, as for having 4 out and out attacking midfielders I’d be willing to let Marv go if we brought in other, more dynamic, players in his place.

    Also having balanced full backs only creates and added dynamic, which is once more aptly demonstrated by teams like Manchester United, Man City and Chelsea.

    We need to get with the program, I really do think this is the way forward, call me a Championship Manager geek if you will, I happen to see other top teams employing these tactics with great results, so why should we not think it would work for us too?

  • 346 beddersmag // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Tads

    I said colo was on 65k. Not AC.how do you know he demanded the number nine or would not drop his demands, were you i the negotiations? I said IF he stayed for a decade which is realistic. No mate if he stayed for his career i dont believe the majority of people would think that. You might. Did they say that about Shearer when he didnt go to man utd? Ba was great dont get me wrong. How long did he stay again?

  • 347 GeordieTwo // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Sorry to disappoint tads @342 but I feel that we have to improve greatly before I would predict more points. We did just finish 16th mate. What would you predict for the first 8 games? I would be thrilled if we got more but 10 points every 8 games would give us 47 or 48 for the season, possible good for about 13th or 14th place. If Kinnear brings in an excellent striker (or 2) and some depth and quality on the wing and at the back I would revise the prediction of course.

  • 348 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    JB
    Then it’s Marv or buy someone in because benny just looks lost in a CAM when played there, if some of the top coaches he’s played for cant get him to suit there, then pards sure as sh1t can’t!

    Tbh I don’t rate benny anywhere near as highly as many seem too, for me he’s gone past the age where he can “have potential” and just doesn’t offer enough to justify the hype and there’s a whole load of exciting youngsters coming through on the continent which tbh with so much talent with plenty of room to grow and all already look at his level

  • 349 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Ruddy

    Yet again, I don’t think we’re a million miles away from agreeing, but these number 10s that you need to “play in the hole” are few and far between. You need someone truly special to play that role and the closest we’ve got is Ben Arfa. However, I’m not quite sure that he’s got the discipline or the focus to use the other players around him in that role.

    I agree with toonarmydownsouth. Ben Arfa is best off in one of those wide roles where he can drift in and out of games without causing a problem for us.

    Marveaux has done alright for us when he’s played, and there must be a reason he hasn’t played very often. Perhaps he’s got fitness problems, perhaps Pardew is concerned that he can’t have too many players that drift in and out of games.

    I still think we’ll sign 1 striker and 1 attacking midfielder/winger, plus replace anyone that leaves. That would set us up nicely I think.

  • 350 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Geordie Two
    Yeah we did but remember half our starting 11 only turned up mid season
    I have no doubt that with a full pre season, getting colo and mbiwa settled midfield settled we will be a much better team

  • 351 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    GeordieTwo

    We may have finished in 16th but we did have of our key players who weren’t exactly firing on all cylinders.

    We’ve got to be going for 7th or 8th this season to consolidate. And if we’re not looking likely to get that, then Pardew will be gone in December at the latest.

  • 352 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    Nice to read some positivity! I agree with you there completely.

  • 353 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Bedders
    No one would say that about shearer because we’re a top team and he was returning to a club that he’d left on a high and returning on a low

    Mate check back as many weeks as you want
    I know Someone who works directly for David gold, not west ham or an agent etc
    I said weeks ago west hams delay in signing him were his wages, they were absolutely non negotiable to any body, it’s what Carroll believes an English international is entitled to
    The number 9 demand he also demanded from west ham but don’t know if they caved at that, probably seeing as cole is out the door

  • 354 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    tads

    If we do buy someone then fine, but I won’t be holding my breath on that one, but I’d be happy to see either Marv or HBA play there.

    As for him being over rated?

    He does stand out when he plays as he’s the only player we have that will actually pick up he ball and drive at the opposition and will try to force something to happen for us, but that is also a sad reflection on the state of our squad

    Do I rate the guy highly?

    When looking at the rest of our squad and what they have offered, yes I do, but the reality is that he’s not gonna be a world beater because of his constant injuries

  • 355 beddersmag // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Toondarnsarf

    Money has increased. Player salaries will increase in proportion. The salary ceiling will increase. This will happen to all clubs now. Or for some reason known only to you this will suddenly reverse.

    Strikers generally are highest earners as they score the goals. Particularly current england internationals. How do you know noone else was in for him? I find that hard to believe. Most of the top sides in england (again i assume due to previous homesickness he would not consider abroad) have a decent big man option so maybe thats why. Wages would put off many of course. But im sure the fact he knows the club and starts every game he is fit will have meant west ham was an obvious choice. West ham wanted him and they finished above us

  • 356 GeordieTwo // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Some good points tads @350 and tds @351. We still have the same negative tactics manager however and only 1 decent senior striker at this point. God forbid he gets injured. I realize we had a lot of injuries and brought in 5 in January but it seems we always have a lot of injured and players underperforming (especially under Pardew). At this point I would rather have modest expectations and be pleasantly surprised if we do better, than start with lofty expectations and have them crushed again. I predicted a 7th or 8th place finish for us last season and look what happened mates.

  • 357 toonking // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    the best way to attack is always by doing crosses and all you have to do is look at Newcastle last season when nearly every non hoofball attempt was when HBA was running through the middle the only non hoofball time we didn’t go through the middle was when the FB’s were attempting to cross when their main focus is meant to prevent them.
    the problem with always going down the middle is players can never kick it high as it will just go out of play for a goal kick and when they pass it to the striker he is more easily getting offside as the opposition can all keep approaching the creator so the CAM is then forced to try and get round 4 players (2midfielders 2CB)

    with wingers and crosses the full pitch is used their is normally only two of the opposition attempting to close the winger down as the others will be marking those in the box also the wingers when doing the cross will usually be more forward than the strikers so theirfore the strikers are onside and if he misses the CAM can then attempt himself as their will be more space.

  • 358 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    JB
    I didn’t say he was over rated just that I don’t rate him as highly 😉
    I think in terms of doing the spectacular, playing with a bit of flair then yeah better than anyone at the squad, but he just can’t seem to do the bloody simple stuff!!!

  • 359 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    DarnSarf

    Just remains to be seen I suppose. If we tried HBA in the hole, yet had a couple of players capable of beating their man down the outside and stretch the play I think we will have a more incisive attack.

    However, if we signed a CAM and played HBA down the wing, while signing another winger to play on the other wing then I wouldn’t be devastated, as long as steps are taken to better link up the midfield and the attack next season as we really suffered in this department last season.

  • 360 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    tads

    Again it’s a sad reflection of our squad as none of the buggers are able to do the simple stuff 😀

  • 361 proudtobageordie // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    Ruddy

    Do you not think goofy is good on the left wing, if not what about him in the hole #10 role?

  • 362 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Geordie Two
    I think we will strengthen……….maybe :)
    But think a couple of players will have matured slightly
    But for me the key is getting a settled back 4

  • 363 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Proud

    I think he works really hard, but perhaps isn’t a creative force on the wing, playing him in behind the striker could work, I’m unsure of his passing ability when it comes to making precise killer through balls so it remains to be seen whether he could do the No 10 role, but I’d prefer to see him in a central role.

    I just don’t see him as a natural wing player.

  • 364 Sazzer // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    eaststandgeordie1982
    Your link is working. Just gold. It’s going to go viral for sure.

  • 365 JackButler // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    I didn’t get all this wanting Carrol back, we have enough injury prone players as it is without blowing a massive chunk of any budget we may actually have on another one

  • 366 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    Ruddy

    I think we’re set up to play with 3 in midfield (Cabaye + 2 of Sissoko, Tiote, Anita, Perch), 1 striker (Cisse or another) and 2 attacking players.

    So I’d like to see it that when we’re attacking down one wing, the fullback supports the wide player while the opposite wide player gets into the box and the opposite fullback holds back. When we’re defending, the wide players should pull back and give us a 5 in midfield, and when we’re attacking through the middle, I’d expect all the attacking 3, plus at least 1 midfielder to be a bit more dynamic with their movement and passing. We’ve got a few players who can do this, we just need a couple more and we’re there.

  • 367 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    Boumsong was a decent player. He just didn’t have a great spell with us. He deserved more time.

  • 368 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 19, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    DarnSarf

    I’d go along with your way of thinking if it worked, it all depends on how Pardew sees it, but I don’t think he is the dynamic manager needed to instil this fluid style of play, but I do expect attack minded players through the door in the summer so it will then be up to the manager to get the best from them, in whatever style or formation he sees fit.

    If it’s touchline hugging wingers, dynamic attacking midfield players, an extra striker or 2, or whatever other type of player Carr recommends, I will support and praise if it manages to link our midfield, add a bit more creativity into the side and get Cisse firing on all cylinders again.

  • 369 Tsunki // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    Ketsy man Boumsong was a lazy-ass wage-drainer who had more than enough time with us to show he couldn’t be asked.

  • 370 nufc13789 // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    Looks like we won’t be getting him then http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11906/8783649/Transfer-news-Dries-Mertens-to-leave-PSV-Eindhoven-for-Napoli

  • 371 beddersmag // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Tads

    It wasnt like andy bottled liverpool. It just his style is completley opposed to what rodgers wants. He wanted to stay and prove himself. In preference to west ham im sure. Lots of liverpool fans and commentators wanted him to stay as a handy plan b too. When you are not wanted thats not running away. In fact he has improved at west ham in a bigger city further away from home.

    Obviously if you pal is telling the truth on the finer detail of andys contract, which im sure is commercially sensitive to his employer then fine. However, thats a seperate salary negotiation. Players and more so agents will get what a club will pay. West ham would pay 100k. We wouldnt and he knows that so would not have asked for the same. I dont know andy but from friends of friends who do, all the noises were that he wanted to come home. I would hope that would mean he would have come for less. If hes really that mercenary then ok id leave it.

    I remember shearer demanded the no 9 too. Because of what it meant to him as a geordie. Who knows if andy did with us, or even if it got that far.
    Anyhoo got to go and put the bairn to bed nice chatting with you, agree to disagree and all that :-)

  • 372 Belfast // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    Ok I’m a bit late, but absolutely over the moon with the Llambias news.

    Goodbye Derek you disrespectful little swine.

  • 373 kevymartins // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    Neymar bashers on here should be getting slated tonight…What a we player

    What I couldn’t understad is why everyone was saying he wont do it vs top class defenders well imho he is twice the player of ben arfa and benny could take the piss out of any defender in the premier league.

  • 374 Tsunki // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Oh great he’s here again, my timing really stinks, guess thats why they call me skunki 😐

  • 375 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Sarf
    Your confusing natural wingers with wide forwards. I digress.
    Games are won and lost in midfield. In any formation it is essential that the overall shape works successfully – ie defensively and offensively – there is one thing you need to use as the ‘blending’ platform – the midfield zone. This was a major source of difficulty for the vast majority of last season. This zone is crucial to everything that is happening during all phases of a game , but especially during the transitioning one. Without that zone working well your team could either be too open in defence or lacking the required platform to move forward and attack assertively; or both. Transfer Sage is aware of this as I have discussed it with him in the past.
    Naturally the better the players in a team the easier it will be to achieve the successful platform in the middle of the pitch. But a players’ relative quality (as subjective as this term is) would be for nothing if the midfield unit (be it the double pivot within 4-2-3-1, the midfield triumvirate of 4-1-2-3, or the 4-4-2/4-4-1-1. All of this is measured up by how the general tactical balance looks in that particular zone of the pitch. It does of course help if you have some of the world’s best players in your team.
    Chelsea have been mentioned and Benitez was rigid in his requirements for his midfield duo. Although on paper the formation that the Spaniard used – the 4-2-3-1 – the third midfielder player (ie the player in the hole, playing between the lines), was a player that was in essence part of the attacking, not the midfield line (be it with the role of a second forward or the main creative player.
    At Chelsea Benitez used players between the lines with the profile of traditional playmakers, increasing the onus on possession based football. It is a myth that Benitez is a defensive manager, relying on counter-attacks and a rigid boring way of attacking. To compensate for the lack of direct attacking input of the player between the lines, whose brief was to primary create from that zone, not break forward and head into the box to finish off the team moves, Benitez always had his wide players pushed higher. At Valencia Kily Gonzalez and Angulo, despite being natural wingers (and not wide forwards), played with added attacking verve. AVB favours this approach.
    Benitez started to use the 4-2-3-1 whilst at Liverpool (between 2007 and 2010) Gerrard was the player playing between the lines but essentially acting as a second forward. This enforced change in the wide men’s roles.

  • 376 Tsunki // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    So when are you going to change your name, Sack Llambias? You’re dragging your heels a bit there matey :)

  • 377 Belfast // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Tsunki // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:13 PM
    Hello is it me you’re looking for ?

    Talking of Carroll there’s no way in a million years he’s worth 100 grand a week. West Ham have been well mugged there like. Fat sham has the same agent as Carroll, it’s all very shady if you ask me.

  • 378 Rotonda heights // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    A lot of west ham fans reckon they’ve massively overpaid
    on the combined fee and wages upwards of 55M – wtf!!!
    and wondered why no other club was in for him. Dodged a bullet I think.

  • 379 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    He was a french international and was world class at one point. Him and Mexes at the back for Auxerre was a great partnership.

  • 380 GeordieTwo // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Hopefully tads @362. If we don’t strengthen at striker we’re in serious trouble mate. And yes I would love to have a settled back four. Haidara or Santon at LB for you? I’m tempted to say Haidara with Santon tried as a LW. It might work. He has pace and loves to go forward and his defensive play was suspect at times at LB.

  • 381 Unbelievable Tekkers // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Proud – Heard anything new regarding de jong mate?

  • 382 Belfast // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Fat Sam calls his agent up, owners are really desperate to sign Carroll blah blah blah ask for 100k a week they’ll pay it.

    Oh and by the way mr agent I want a cut of your fee.

  • 383 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    KETS…You’re right he was a good player but IMO his time has come and gone now…must be someone else we get our hands on as cover…we’re not too bad in that position at the minute

  • 384 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    Tsunki
    Mate/The likeable rogue. How you gannin? I plan to keep the name and enjoy my job well done status. Llambias was always the source of the blockage on the transfer front and the Douglas deal showed that he was more concerned about filling a slot than acquiring quality.

  • 385 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    I’d be satisfied if we signed Maloney, Bearsejour, Mcmanaman, Scharner, Kone and Remy.

    They’d cost us approximately £23m.

  • 386 Belfast // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    Fat Sam will be robbing those two lads blind.
    He’s as bad as Harry Redknapp.

  • 387 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    Belfast
    I thought it was Sam’s son who took the bungs!!

  • 388 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    We have 3 decent centre backs. We only have 1 striker, so Kinnear is right. We need to strengthen in that area first. I’ve got a terrible feeling that he’ll let Marveaux go.

  • 389 p // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    Yes, and Carroll is out for the the first 4 months is he not? best part of 2m to have the privilege of big Andy lie on your treatment table

    Good player, but somewhat injury prone and not worth 15m and 100k a week

  • 390 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    Belfast…yep…bent as a nine bob note

  • 391 fog on the tyne // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Cardozo from benfica anyone?????

  • 392 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    West Ham are first up at SJP I see. AC will get a right Geordie welcome!! The outlay will restrict WHU elsewhere not that we should be comparing ourselves with them.

  • 393 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Is Carroll out!

  • 394 Tsunki // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Ketsy I thnk what you are trying to say is Boumsong wah wah wah wah wah……………

    He didnt do well for us, why try it again?

  • 395 sparky55 // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    Get the feeling anyone who was linked with us under the pardew / Lambias regime will be binned as a matter principle by JFK as he stamps his authority on things…so ignore everything we’ve talked about for the last 6 months and concentrate on complete left field (not positional) purchases

  • 396 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Aside from all the Kinnear bs he did seem to have a good handle on what needed sorting out. Mind you you just need look at our last 3 home games to work out that we need someone to help out with a few
    goals.

  • 397 GeordieTwo // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    “When you come in as director of football it is expected that you go softly softly but it’s almost been the executive equivalent of a two-footed challenge.” An interesting comment from Shepard about Kinnear and also some concern about Kinnear’s age. I always take Shepard’s comments with a grain of salt but this time I think he makes some sense.

  • 398 shamsoftabriz // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Kinnear hurts our brand, that’s for sure. Hard to pull for such a dimwit to do well.

  • 399 Belfast // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    Yeah LLambias his son was the one who got caught in the bbc programme.

    Remember reading a while ago the lad Tomkins changed agents, employed the same agent as Fat Sam, and then a few weeks later got a bumper new contract lol

    All very convenient dont you think ?

  • 400 HullMag6 // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    Id forget about bent. He wouldn’t pass scrutiny of GC He says if they’re good enough or not.

  • 401 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    Joe will soon realise that we have few promising youngsters coming through capable of appearing in the premier league anytime soon.. Aside from Haidara , Bigi and of course Santon. I can see him clearing the decks of a good number.

  • 402 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Kets
    No mate that’s £23 mil and relegation

  • 403 moonraker // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Right, I’m off out for a Yohan ! hahahahaha

  • 404 Sack Llambias // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    I have long thought Harry and Sam were from the same mold.

  • 405 MacToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Was going to ask the same of Sack Llambias but beaten to it. If you do change your name and don’t tell us do you think we’ll be able to tell?

  • 406 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    My last say on Kinnear, lets hope it works out so we can all start loving Ashley again.
    On players, assuming no top players leave imo we need a natural RB who can keep Debuchy on his toes and not just the cover we have in Anita, RTaylor etc, we need a proper right winger/ST who can score eight to ten a season and a striker who can complement Cisse and I don’t want yo see us lose out over half a million pounds.

  • 407 MacToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    Can’t imagine it’ll be your last say on Kinnear jail, he’s going to be quite controversial I would imagine.
    Are you in or around newcastle on Monday?

  • 408 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    They’re all very good players. Bearsejour, Mcmanaman and Maloney will offer more creativity than what we’ve got now. We need creativity and clinical strikers. I’ll forgive Kinnear if we sign Alderewiereld.

    Kinnear, however is an unprofessional obnoxious snake.

  • 409 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    He pronounced people’s names wrong deliberately because he knew what he did to N’Zogbia was completely wrong and disrespectful.

  • 410 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    Mac,
    No pal, I’m on a refinery in Lincs for a month, is something planned like ?

  • 411 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 19, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    Surely there’s a Joe Kinnear regarding his appointment.

  • 412 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    Ketsbaia9,
    I’m totally with you on that one, they want the money for them but want them to put in requests to leave to save a few quid.

  • 413 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    Fusk me Ketsbaia,
    I’d never even thought about that, he fell out with insomnia then done that, they obviously want rid of Ben Arfa and Cabaye and Dastardly has gone, mmm watch this space….

  • 414 MacToon // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    There’s an open meeting planned for Monday by FansUTD at Newcastle Labour Club this Monday at 6pm(24th June) if anyone’s interested.

  • 415 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    What a henious ‘ orrible character that Mike Ashley is ,the levels the man will stoop to in acheiving his aims is beyond comprehension !!!!

  • 416 Mister Tuff // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    sack llambias @375 what a load of pretentious drivel. Do as your namesake please and vamoose.
    Multiples………………………………………………………………..OUT.

  • 417 jimmysmith // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Our only hope is that there’s a sale imminent, otherwise the club is falling apart.

  • 418 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    Purposely mis- pronouncing names? No, I don’t believe that, he simply doesn’t seem particularly smart or with it.

    On Callum Mcmanaman- people seem to be going massively over the top with what a talent he is. He looks a decent, tricky young player HOWEVER his crossing is very inconsistent, his touch is sometimes very loose and he tends to use his acceleration to beat people rather than great skill or technique.

    I just remember James Mclean from sunderland being talked about in a similiar way- direct young winger who could be amazing- he’s been utterly found out.

    Mcmanaman looks a good young player, but his touch and technique is no where near the level that some people talk about him.

  • 419 pizzicatochan // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:31 PM

    Moreover, are you guys ready to accept someone into our team who almost ended Haidara’s career?

  • 420 kevymartins // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    You guys are considering players like mcmanaman while liverpool are going for the likes of Henrikh mhikaryan and yous have the cheek to criticize jfk haha

  • 421 Patoon // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Joseph Barton ?@Joey7Barton 11h
    Kinnear was actually a sound fella when I was there. Very decent bloke. Just don’t understand the reasoning of bringing him back? Maybe…

  • 422 Patoon // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    Kevy

    don’t u b goin disagreeing wey Ruddy 2nite now lol

  • 423 Jail for Ashley // Jun 19, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    gonufc,
    I disagree, I knew back then it was deliberate with Nzogbia but as time passes I didn’t put two and two together with Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Dastardly, the latter has walked, I think we may see some requests going in this summer.

  • 424 Sack Llambias // Jun 20, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    @422
    I personally prefer the posters that offer evidence and reason rather than slogans and propaganda but I fully acknowledge that there should be a place for every conceivable point of view on what is an excellent blog.
    As a relatively new poster I do find Rudi as someone who comes on here as if he’s an official adjudicator and has made an official assessment about everyone’s view and then presents his own as a fact.
    My policy is not to engage with those that can’t defend their assertions without being abusively aggresive.




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