Stability Collapses – Is It Going To Be 2008-2009 All Over Again?


We think there are still some shoes to fall at Newcastle, after the  fiery Joe Kinnear has rejoined the club, but these problems had better get sorted out soon, because this current situation is starting to look like what happened in September of 2008.

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Mike Ashley – what’s he thinking?

Newcastle got off to a decent start to that season under Kevin Keegan and hopes were high, and we got 4 points from the first three tough league games, but then there was a huge disagreement between the manager and the Director of Football Dennis Wise, and owner Mike Ashley backed Dennis and Kevin left the club.

And  a similar situation could happen again early in the coming season.

What happens if Joe Kinnear goes into the dressing during a  game, if Newcastle are behind, and tells the players what they should be doing, or Joe’s on the training field and he takes over the training from Alan at some point?

And who do you think Ashley would back in the argument – and the answer is not Alan Pardew.

So Mike Ashley – to our amazement – has recreated a scenario that could again result in an earthquake at Newcastle next season,  and we could be left without a manager.

And then what do you think Joe Kinnear would say to Mike Ashley?

Mike – let me take over because I’m a much better manager than Alan  and I’ve been manager of the year three (that may rise to six) times.

And if that happens then we are in a familiar and terrible situation.

There’s a good saying that  if you don’t learn from your mistakes then history repeats itself.

If Newcastle haven’t learned from the mismanagement that finally ended up in our bring relegated for the first time ever from the Premier League in 2009, when the club was in complete disarray, then history could repeat itself.

We are pointing this out now so it will not happen, but the situation at the moment is unstable to say the least, and could explode at any time over the next few weeks or months.

But that’s the situation that owner Mike Ashley has again created, by his ill-advised move to bring  Joe Kinnear back to Newcastle.

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333 comments so far

  • cyprus

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #1

    Didn’t think I’d ever say it but Lambezee has shown dignity and indignation in his resignation. Congrats man.

    Other matters: Is Doesnt Bend really the kind of striker we are looking for? Is he speedy? Will he help Cisse?

    And, what a scathing article:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10130915/Caveman-Joe-Kinnear-still-stuck-in-footballs-stone-age.html

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  • Schwefelberg

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #2

    I cant access that article. Could somebody post some extracts?

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  • Indian Magpie

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #3

    Screw NUFC i am totally depressed, while others around me are happy as bees

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #4

    Ashley isn’t an idiot. He must have some plan for the club, we just can’t quite work out what it is yet…

    So far what has happened really?
    – an odd character has come in a DoF
    – Llambias has resigned

    Everything else is just paper talk! Pardew hasn’t resigned, Carr hasn’t resigned, no players have left, we haven’t signed loads of 30+ year olds paying them £50kpw each.

    Can’t we just wait to see what everyone’s roles will be before passing judgement?

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #5

    i have come to the conclusion after seeing whats been said by genuine supporters no-one wants ashley or any of his main appointments especially kinnear the first coming up in arms the second coming wtf get your heads out the sand and show who owns nufc

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  • archaeomag

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #6

    What other team in the Prem would employ JFK as DOF?

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  • yo-yo

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #7

    Even one of our greatest players reckons AP has had a bum deal off Llambeeze etc. Alan Shearer must be very very annoyed to write that piece in the Sun. It is very serious when that level of public slagging off is happening from a Toon legend – despite his less than stellar performances on the pundits couch’

    The Telegraph are simply point scoring after the problem their own journos had at SJP and are rubbing it in.

    IF we are going into meltdown then there will be no sensible well though out strategy for signing new players – and we desperately need strengthening still.

    IF Graham Carr goes then we will be left with Joke and AP deciding signings – neither of whom have a tenth of Carr’s knowledge of players.
    We need a technical coach as well – all this internal strife will mean we have mixed up pre-season and another season in confusion. And that means we might finish “15th or 16th from the bottom” again.
    I wouldn’te lety JOke buy me a lottery ticket – he’d get the numbers wrong

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  • cyprus

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #8

    Here’s the first paragraph, rest in the same spirit:
    “Joe Kinnear reminded us this week of his undisputed standing as the most bellicose, bullying throwback in all of English football, foul towards those who cast the slightest aspersions and incapable of pronouncing a foreign player’s name if his life depended on it. I would call him a dinosaur, except I always thought the giant diplodocus at the National History Museum had such a kindly, agreeable face.”

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #9

    Cyprus – yet another hatchet job article from a spiteful journo.

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  • Spoof

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #10

    TDS
    that was very good cheers m8, at present we all need to have a laugh, we are getting to depressed, the JFK rap and Monkey heed song brought a smile to my face, and its so long since I smiled that my face nearly cracked !

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  • jarnytoon

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #11

    Stability collapsing?! People need to calm the F down!!

    Let’s see what players come in, who we retain and judge after the city game what state the teams in.

    Fed up to the back teeth of all this doom n gloom b******s! Chill the F out n just sit there like eager children guessing who we’ll sign like me…..trust me you’ll live longer!!

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  • JAMSHA

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #12

    GOD HELP NEWCASTLE…

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #13

    My mate has just texted me to say Graham Carr has been sacked. I’m fuming if it is correct. Just have to wait and see.

    It’s an uncontrolled disgrace and Ashley needs to leave immediately. All these billionaires knockin’ about buying small stadium clubs… it’s demoralising. Worst time as a Toon fan.

    Carr was the only glimmer of hope we had left. I feel sick to the stomach. Disgusting coaching, limited financial expenditure and a horrendous appointetment in Kinnear.

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #14

    there is a solution we all borrow to buy the club from wonga default on the payment everybody happy cause we used ashleys name

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  • Schwefelberg

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #15

    Thanks Cyp,

    Diplodocus. I like that word!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jun 20, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #16

    GeordieMark,
    It would be great if someone came in and bought NUFC who cared for the club, but there aren’t many of them around that have the cash. The last one to try struggled to raise 100million as a down payment, so I’m not sure where the knight in shining armour will come from.

    On Ashley, he has proved already that he is stubborn as a mule. If we turn on him, and abuse him, he will just stay away. makes no difference to him if he comes to watch or not. As Kinnear would say, “water of a ducks arse”. As long as we stay up, make profit, which we will with the new TV deal then he will sit tight unless someone pays what he wants. A matchday boycott wouldn’t have a huge impact given the new TV revenues, matchday and merchandise isn’t a huge part of our revenue, and it is more than covered by the TV deal.

    Kinnears appointment is a joke, and smacks of jobs for the boys and a lack of ambition. The mood will change quickly if Kinnear produces some top buys, although if it is the ilk of Bent and Tomkins that will not appease the crowds at all.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #17

    *appointment

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  • WesJameson

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #18

    @ jarnytoon // Jun 20, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Show us otherwise mate….

    The writing is on the wall, just like we said during our relegation season, we aren’t blind or stupid, we have all been supporting NUFC for a very long time

    Seen it all before mate, seen it all before…..

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  • wolfshead@toon

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #19

    its like dads army in here were either told not to panic or were doomed haha

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  • sirjasontoon

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #20

    We will be decent in the championship.
    #yoyoclub

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #21

    Laurent,
    How would your mate know? Club insider, close family friend of the Carr’s? Ie. how accurate is that likely to be?

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  • Santon03

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #22

    TDS

    I agree with you but that’s not going to happen. Most people already panicking, when people starting to panic they will start thinking most horrible things to happen.

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  • rainrix

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #23

    Wait. We had stability? When was this again?

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #24

    is that the have nots league if we go down we wont get out of it quickley

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #25

    Spoof

    I love posting that video on Facebook just after we beat the mackems! It makes me smile every time!

    It might seem to be depressing at the moment, but that’s only really the cycle of media and fans spouting negativity.

    Trust me, it’s been a lot worse. Look at the bright sides:
    – we are in the Premier League
    – we have a stable club from a business perspective
    – we have a youngish squad that can improve and challenge the top 6

    Why are our fans so comfortable being negative about our club as soon as something is written? I don’t like JFK, but there must be a method in the madness somewhere.

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  • foggonridiculous

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #26

    This may be inappropriate but as it looks like only a heart attack will stop Joe… and I’m NOT wishing one on him…

    So may be we could cheer ourselves up with T shirts with the revised slogan…

    “In Cardiac Arrest WE trust…”

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  • yo-yo

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #27

    Jamsha

    Don’t bring religion into it 🙂

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #28

    Santon03

    Yep. And it’s tiring for the rest of us to try to counterbalance that. Much easier to just join the mob and get the pitchforks out…

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  • Spoof

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #29

    jarnytoon
    did you here his talksport interview, he got so many facts wrong that you have got to ask serious questions about the mans capabilities to do the job being asked of him, there are many fans and press alike who have serious doubts about this happening, so we are naturally concerned, he gave debuts to players he didn’t, he brought players in who he didn’t, some familiar players are still here from his last stint including Perch who was signed well after he left, in all honesty m8, I don’t see how we can calm down when you consider the impression which JFK himself has given us, the truth is you should be asking yourself if you are as concerned as much as you should be.

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  • Santon03

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #30

    OMG now you are hoping for someone to have cardiac arrest.

    Sorry, I’m not that kind of NUFC supporter

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #31

    Kinnear can’t even say International players’ names correctly. How on earth will he have knowledge of bringing in players? It is a complete farce.

    Graham Carr was getting really good standard signings in for very little money. Poor coaching, poor coaching, poor coaching, poor coaching and management is the main downfall, yet Pardew stays. Pardew should have gone, get a quality technical coach in and we would have no doubt improved immensely.

    What a monstrosity of events. Only at Newcastle United.

    Was talking to a Man Utd fan yesterday and he was in sheer disbelief what is happening at the club. Disgusting.

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  • Bryan

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #32

    A couple of weeks ago I posted my lack of confidence of the way A.P. and his coaches have had the team playing. I said he was out of touch with present day football. He turned probably the best first team players this club has had in 10 years into hoofball players. I would have been happy if the club had sacked him. Then just as you think it could not get any worse, BANG, JFK arrives. Another football dinosaur even worse than A.P. What confidence does this give to our players? This is what will happen from now on, and you can hold this to me, at least 3 of our best players will leave and be replaced with 6 or 7 very average players, the team will struggle all season, A.P. will be sacked by Xmas to be replaced by JFK where we will continue to struggle, JFK will leave the club in the bottom 3 due to health problems and the club will be relegated. Sound familiar?

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  • foggonridiculous

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #33

    Read again Santon I most definitely DID not say that.

    I also warned it might be inappropriate.

    Apologies for offence caused

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #34

    Lilongwe, obv I can’t give details but if it’s one of the top few they know, it’ll be accurate. Depends which one for the higher credibility. He hasn’t said which.

    Just have to see I guess.

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  • Santon03

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #35

    TDS

    Yes, too much negativity. Just a little bit of rumours and everyone gone berserk.

    I still believe this season will be great season inspite everything that has happened.

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #36

    no apology necessary

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  • Spoof

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #37

    TDS
    my nature I am not a doom monger, but even I am seriously concened about this mans stability, yes the press always have and always will try to make a mountain out of a mole-hill, but in fairness we have all heard this mans ramblings ourselves, so we can judge for ourselves, and it doesn’t look good m8, this is not the press twisting his words as they did with Cabaye and last season Ben Arfa ( or should I say Kebabs and Ben Arfi ) we heard it ourselves, there was no need to twist it.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #38

    Regardless of Carr staying or going, the whole thing is a shambles again. A full stadium of supporters like ours don’t deserve this.

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  • yo-yo

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #39

    Santon

    I read it as a bad taste play on the words on the T shirt

    In Cardiae ARRest we trust !

    As JFK is a Joke then we might feel a teeny bit allowed to take the P at his expense.
    As my Dad died of heart disease I ought to feel offended by Foggon’s post but took it in the way in was (probably) intended 🙂

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  • jeff

    Jun 20, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #40

    Foggen you seriously wish a cardiac arrest on another being.u sir disgust me and should join the scum in the stadium of dark,thats the only place to go for such a dark comment.

    Now moving on.bent,spearing,pennant,adam in would be agood window for me

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