It Could Still All End In Tears At Newcastle


Alan Pardew and Graham Carr have said last week they are staying at Newcastle, but the big question now is can Joe Kinnear work with them, and will he impinge on their responsibilities in his new Director of Football position?

alan pardew at west brom

Alan Pardew – a strong character

The Director of Football has worked well on the continent for decades, and with a few big clubs in England it’s working fairly well now, but it changes what a manager’s job is, and he really just becomes the coach, who is tasked with getting the best out of the players he has at the club.

But the Director of Football is responsible for who comes and who goes, and we suppose it can work well if the coach and Director of Football get on well.

Most English managers don’t like having a Director of Football above them, because it takes away some of their responsibilities, and whether it works or not is often dependent on the personalities of the two men.

Graham Souness, the former Newcastle manager, came out last week and said he didn’t think it would work:

“As a manager you’re very well paid, but your neck is always on the line. I wouldn’t accept someone else making all the big decisions for me and I don’t think Alan Pardew will, either. I think it will end up in tears for someone.”

“It can work, but you’re talking here about someone who had all the power to decide who comes and goes and it has been taken away from him. “If it had been in his original job description you could accept it, but that’s not the case in this instance. It can’t be changed midway through his contract.”

Newcastle fans remember well when we last had a Director of Football, and the friction, animosity and disagreement between Dennis Wise and Kevin Keegan set things in motion in September of 2008 after Kevin resigned, that nine months later we were relegated.

And we suppose the same thing could happen this season, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and pre-season training starts a week on Thursday and we’ll know better then.

But we don’t think Alan Pardew is going to stand by and let Joe Kinnear interfere on the coaching side of things – and if Joe does interfere there could well be another blowup.

And it will look even more like what happened five years ago.

We hope (and pray) that doesn’t happen for the sake of our club.

But Mike Ashley has created a similar situation at Newcastle and that statement – if you don’t learn form your mistakes then history will repeat itself – always rings true.

What do you think?

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49 comments so far

  • geordie157

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    Comment #1

    we need a signing this week or at least some good news!!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    Comment #2

    John Tudor,
    Ditch the cash cow? The club owes him money, so how can he be making money from it? Even if he were to be taking out any profits, do you think he is too excited by the 1.4million profit when he has a billion pound sports wear empire? The fact is, if he were to sell the club tomorrow, the profit he would make from the sale wouldn’t even be higher than the Sports Direct annual profits.

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    Comment #3

    maybe not a cash cow, 5 year plan i said everything belongs to him we owe him naff all it s just a way to move his money around,selling players. right he could sell off top players here get in shit then sell the club, if im wrong ashley certainly cannot run a club

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  • bills-son

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #4

    One Tony Green – great link to the Mirror.

    At last a journo with common sense who tells it as it is.

    Fans were screaming for Pardew and Llambias out and now that Kinnear has arrived and one has left and the other might we are a club in crisis!!??

    And fans reckon Kinnear and Ashley are the jokers??

    The stupidity of some fans is beyond belief.

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  • sparky55

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #5

    repost

    What I don’t get is Ashley never fux about…if he wants to do something he normally just goes out and does it….so why put on a show like the JFK show to ease Pardew out.

    If we are going to change the manager we need to change him now so the new manager has a full pre-season rather than risk the stupid scenario of Pardew waiting til the day before the season starts to throw in the towel…

    …it’s amateur hour stuff…surely if wants Pardew out he should just sack him and bring Poyet or whoever in so everyone knows where they stand.

    it’s important that if ashley does intend to get shot of Pardew then he should get shot now because after all it is all he deserves after last years debacle.

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #6

    you have your opinions alot agree with me i know of no -one who would agree with youalthough there a quite a few makems on here

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #7

    and ashley if he didnt do due dil it shows the man to be crap at buisness ,so fingers burnt he is on this course of action.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #8

    Tudor,
    But by selling off the clubs assets and getting the club in “shit” then the value of the club drops, losing him money. Mike Ashley is owed money by the club, 130million roughly, which is repayable on demand, likely when we are sold. He may own the club, but unless he sells up, or demands a repayment he gets nothing out off the club. So far, he has taken 15million out as a repayment against the 40million that he subsidised the club with in the championship.

    Any money from player sales doesn’t go directly to him. It goes to the club, so he wouldn’t get loads of money from that.

    I don’t understand peoples willingness to bash him for taking money out of the club, when you can get the figures from Companies house to show he doesn’t. He has done enough bad things here to actually have a go at him about without creating stuff.

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  • jeff

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #9

    Anyone think bent and ameobi be a good partnership.commuciste well cause english ameobi can win knockdowns and provide pace on the right.just an idea ofcourse

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #10

    oh newcastles up for sale ill buy it for the kudos,oh shit what have i done i know ill teach those people a lesson

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #11

    Tudor,
    People may agree with you, but the companies accounts don’t and that is the only hard facts on this argument.

    As for a lot of mackems on here, it is sad and immature that some people decide to bandy that about when people have a disagreement over something. I know you aren’t 12, so stop acting like it.

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  • HullMag6

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #12

    Some fans seem to be led by corporal fraser – we’re doooomed oh ffs get a grip people you’re feeding this tripe.

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #13

    ok lilongwe
    why are we in this ffin mess with an owner who treats us like shit

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  • lesh

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #14

    We need signings and Kinnear’s said to be on holiday?

    Guess being ‘on holiday’ could provide cover for being away trying to sign new players. At least being on holiday means he’s not criticised for making a mess of potential signings!!

    Just a thought

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #15

    6 years of Ashley and the club is a mess.

    It is a sports club. Football on the pitch is what matters.

    Take all the personalities out of it and we haven’t won anything for years.
    We play awful hoofball.
    We haven’t signed anyone (quite a few rivals have).

    The club is a mess and that’s being nice about it.
    It could all end in tears … when doesn’t it?

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  • sparky55

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #16

    canny bag…you’re normally a good contributor to this blog but this morning you’re too mad to argue your point effectively…have a cuppa…take a deep breath and come back ready to rumble! 🙂

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  • sparky55

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #17

    I say sack Pardew now and be done with it…let’s get on with the new regime

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  • geordiemark

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #18

    sparky55

    I agree he should just sack him get it over with, I do think thats why joke kinnearbasher has come in with 1 job to do and thats pardew

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:56 AM

    Comment #19

    Tudor,
    Your argument there is ludicrous. If you honestly think Ashley does this because he didn’t do due diligence then you really are scraping the barrel.

    I don’t agree with a lot of what he has done, but to think he wants the club to fail is just absurd. A relatively successful club opens up more markets to him. He said when he bought the club it was to help market SD and to make it a global brand. If we aren’t being shown internationally, which we won’t if we aren’t relatively successful, then he won’t reach wider audiences. He recently invested in a Chinese sportswear retailer. If we do well, more chinese people will see our games, and the brand becomes better known.

    While I don’t agree with his reasons, he has no reason not to want the club to have an international audience.

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #20

    so you are in football and have ran a multi million pound business not, well i was in football and i ran a business and i and millions of other businessmen would not run it like this the club is his he owes himself the money he sells the players get the cash where does that money go in his bank account via some very nice creative accounting wise up please you armchair fan

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  • geordiemark

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #21

    am just wondering would it be a good idea to float the club on the stock exchange whats your thoughts on this lads

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  • lesh

    Jun 23, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    Comment #22

    Lilongwe.

    You’re talking sense and that doesn’t go down too well with some folk.

    How you getting on with music? Look out ‘The Real Sounds of Africa’ first album – it really jumps and there’s a good 15 minute ‘commentary’ on a Zimbabwean footie game, while the music’s providing the background as well as the ‘crowd’.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #23

    Tudor,
    We are in this mess due to a series of mistakes on the football side of things by an owner and chairman who had no idea about football. Whether things pick up with JK in charge is doubtful, but we now have a more football orientated board.

    So, yes, Ashley is at fault in part for where we are, so are the players who sent us down, so is Shearer and Kinnear who helped take us down, so is Pardew for tactics, so are some of the players for lack of application last year.

    None of that though has anything to do with you originally saying Ashley was just making money out of the club though.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #24

    Agreed sack Pardew now and lets move on.
    Why wait and waste a season.

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #25

    last word the mans an a55hole his appointments stink to the high heavens but he is very clever he can skim off what he lost in silly no due dil operation in 5 years at our expense and you must be blind not to see it

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #26

    An unnecessary mes we are in; a mess MA always seem to create for himself!

    …don’t know why he goes looking trouble all the time (maybe he is just bored or maybe he just want to get rid of the club but cannot sell it with a profit)

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #27

    money made via creative accounting the man is a genius at that ask his wife

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  • toon kk

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #28

    There’s always alot of doom and gloom on here but with a good reason (MA). He never fails to let us down. But let’s hope we get some great signings in. You never know JK might surprise us?

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  • sparky55

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #29

    OK…one the basis we all know this blog has the power to remove pardew with immediate effect…who we sensibly gonna get on a budget…no suggestions of anyone of any note or class will be tolerated!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #30

    Tudor,
    I’m actually the MD of an international agriculture organisation that does farming and commodity trading. I also worked as a scout back in the UK in the North East for a while.

    Mike Ashley owns a holding company that owns Newcastle, he doesn’t own it directly. The money from sales goes to the club account. Seriously, if you think that go and get the full accounts from Companies House, have a look through yourself.

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  • one Tony Green

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #31

    John Tudor grow up man just because someone does not agree with you does not make them a SMB. Why do you see yourself as a victim. Tell you what he could do is sell the club to the Supporters Trust and then we would be in a mess or even just fold the club.
    You were calling for Lambias and Pardew to go all last season make your mind up.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #32

    He is definitely one of the most controversial owners I have seen in British football…and for most parts he comes off like an idiot

    …a guess you don’t have to be smart to be a self made billionair!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #33

    Lesh,
    Music eh, well the warm up starts next week for the annual (although they skipped last year) music event called Lake of Stars. Unfortunately they have changed it to City of Stars this year, so it is in Lilongwe, rather then on the beaches of Lake Malawi. Haven’t heard the lineups yet, but they should be announced next week at the opening event which I have managed to get hold of tickets to.

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  • one Tony Green

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #34

    Lilongwe you are wasting your time trying to explain fella. Some people just want to make up facts that do not exist.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #35

    Lesh,
    Don’t know if you have heard of it, but it is huge, and they get all sorts of artists from Africa and further a field, bringing over British/American acts some years.

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  • one Tony Green

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #36

    Jesper you are normally a logical poster. Your letting your heart rule your head.

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  • sparky55

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #37

    Age old addage…stick to what you know

    Ashley knows nowt about running a football club and put his faith in the wrong footballing people for his first foray into the game.

    His next club and experience will be different.

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #38

    yea right your right im wrong bollox it all will come out in the wash you have your views i have mine, i can leave it at that remember maxwell does ashley sail

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #39

    jeeze now we are competing with the mm

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  • sparky55

    Jun 23, 2013 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #40

    you’re mad if you’re accusing Ashley of being the slightest bit dumb…he’s a very very bright boy who’s got involved in something he doesn’t know enough about that’s all…don’t under-estimate Ashley

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