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Is Joe Kinnear Healthy Enough For His New Job?

1:02 pm, Wednesday, June 26th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 351 Comments

It could be that Mike Ashley has been waiting for Joe Kinnear to become fit enough to work again, before he offered Joe another job at Newcastle, after Joe had to leave the Newcastle manager’s job in February, 2009 after more heart problems.

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Joe Kinnear – in September, 2008 at St, James’ Park
Doesn’t look like Newcastle were playing well


At the meeting that took place with Alan Pardew and Mike Ashley at the end of the season, it seems that Mike Ashley told Alan he was thinking about appointing a new Director of Football to help oversee the transfers, both into and out of the club, although Mike didn’t mention names of potential candidates.

This is what Joe Kinnear has said about being approached for the job a few weeks ago by the Newcastle owner:

“Mike Ashley, the owner, came round my house and we had a chat,” “He asked me about my medical condition and how I was feeling and one thing and another. I said I’ve been cleared, medically, for the last four or five months.

“I’m coming off my treatment. I’ve lost a stone-and-a-half of weight. I’m very fit, and I’ve been looking after myself. I have been going to the gym a lot and taking walks.”

We don’t know what coming off the treatment means, but if it means coming off the medication he’s been on for his heart condition that’s not good.

And with the pressures of the new job he will need that medication more than ever, although it’s good that Joe has lost weight, and extra weight is always a strain on the heart.

Joe Kinnear was the Wimbledon manager when he suffered a heart attack before a league game against Sheffield Wednesday in March 1999, and he had to stand down form the Wimbledon job a few months later.

Joe did come back to manage Luton Town and Nottingham Forest before coming in as interim manager at Newcastle in September of 2008.

And at Luton Town in 2001, he was hired as the Director of Football initially, but then Kinnear demoted manager Lil Fuccillo and appointed himself as manager of the club.

That’s interesting.

Luton were fighting relegation at the time.  but they were still relegated in May of 2001 from the second division, although  in the following season Kinnear had them promoted.

And it will be good to see what Joe looks like these days, since we’ve been using photos of him from 2008 and early 2009, when he was the manager at Newcastle.

It will not be good if Joe has more health problems in his new job – not at all good for Joe – so we hope he really is fit enough for his new job.

And as you grow older your health becomes more and more important to you.

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351 responses so far ↓

  • 1 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    My opinion,

    I like the idea of a more footballing background DoF, BUT Joe Kinnear has proven just in his previous interviews he is not up to the task.

    I say no, but I will await judgement rather than jumping on the congo train of despair!

  • 2 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    ok he’s mikeys mate put in charge of the concessions stands pay him good money but keep his trap shut not give him a job which wrankles your fans

  • 3 terencelim // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Simple, NO.

    Did Mike Ashley learn from his first mistake? NO.

  • 4 Thump // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    @John: I’m not sure I trust him with the amount of money that must go through the concessions, mate!

  • 5 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    kinnears appointment will cause the death of somthing be it him or the club

  • 6 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    did he have a transplant or just work done

  • 7 Newcastle Brown Alien // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    hope he’s not fit for it, I don’t wish a heart attack on anyone, but, should joe have a heart attack, he will have to resign, and That is the only way I can see him leaving the club

  • 8 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    give him the loo attendants job then do you still have to pay a penny to crap theres a lot of pennies in that too

  • 9 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    hell no heart attacks maybe german keeper syndrome

  • 10 yo-yo // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    In my opinion too many bloggers are using the word FACT to emphasise the validty of their opinions – OPINION

  • 11 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    non untuths

  • 12 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    untruths

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    wow now thats a doll
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  • 14 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Afternoon fellow bloggers! Hope you’re all well, or as well as can be expected. I promise there will be no doom-mongering from me today as I don’t wish to sound like a broken record.

    So, what is there to talk about other than Kinnear, Pardew, Ashley?

  • 15 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Wooah Tudor man, bit insensitive!

  • 16 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    what is in sensitive

  • 17 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    What was the German Keeper syndrome thing with heart attacks? I thought some German keeper had a heart attack but I looked it up but the guy I was thinking about was Robert Enke who killed himself, so now I’ve no idea what you were referring to haha

  • 18 Dagwoodz // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    @Ruddy

    Apparently We’re In For Gignac From Marseille. Everytime I Hear His Name I think of Quagmire From Family Guy….”Giggity Giggity!”

  • 19 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    german keepers are prone to stupid errors and fo paux’s give em enough rope and all that

  • 20 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/130620/confederations-cup-2013-mario-balotellis-stunning-girlfriend-pictures-200061#ixzz2XKApqRCJ

  • 21 Markaccus // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Pawl

    In reply to you from last thread

    Yeah i agree the 2 line moans are repetitive and tedious.

    My if i were to condense my view of ashley into that space, it would be…

    Ashley is running things well financially but is a cluster f**k when it comes to the football side of things. Even if it is his club and his business he needs to get through his head it is a primarily football business and it will never be a true success for him or anyone else until he gets the football side sorted.

    Still more than 2 lines :D

  • 22 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    top totty

  • 23 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Dagwoodz

    Haha now you’ve put that thought in my head, let’s hope he doesn’t sign because I’ll not be able to think of anything else haha

    On a serious note, hasn’t his career just plummeted from being a star potential to a hapless flop?

  • 24 MacToon // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Just something I seen posted on FB, not my words but certainly food for thought?

    “The quarter final last season was the first one we have reached in any competition since Ashley took over, in the previous 6/7 seasons we reached 2 FA cup finals, FA cup semi final, 2 league cup quarter finals, one UEFA cup semi and another UEFA cup quarter final, oh and qualified for the champions league twice!!

    Off the pitch 7 years ago NUFC pulled in 30m per year more than Spurs now they get 50m more than us with a stadium holding 36k. Our finances are now solely reliant on TV money as the commercial side of the business is shot to shit, with the association with Wonga and Sports Direct no decent company will touch us with a barge pole. Under Ashley we are a toxic brand, gone backwards on and off the pitch.”

  • 25 Markaccus // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Ruddy

    That makes hum a shoe-in to sign for us then :p

  • 26 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Markaccus

    I was just thinking that when I posted that! Haha

    As the old saying goes “Great minds think alike.” or as my grandfather used to say “Stupid w*****s seldom differ” haha

  • 27 MacToon // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    The minutes from Monday’s meeting:

    http://www.nufcfansutd.com/1/post/2013/06/minutes-from-open-meeting-240613-newcastle-labour-club.html

    and the questions sent in by people who could not attend:

    http://www.nufcfansutd.com/1/post/2013/06/the-questions-asked.html

  • 28 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    say it man winkers

  • 29 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    ;) ;) ;) ;) I’m a winker alright haha

  • 30 Dagwoodz // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Don’t Know Much About Him, But From What I’ve Read He’s Not Even Close To Being Worth The Reported £12M That Weve Bid For Him.

  • 31 MacToon // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Lol, went into moderation because of two links! I’ll post them seperately:

    The minutes from Monday’s meeting:

    http://www.nufcfansutd.com/1/post/2013/06/minutes-from-open-meeting-240613-newcastle-labour-club.html

  • 32 MacToon // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    and the questions sent in by people who could not attend:

    http://www.nufcfansutd.com/1/post/2013/06/the-questions-asked.html

  • 33 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    me too i thought it was the word fanny

  • 34 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Would not sigh Gignac as he doesn’t score enough goals. He does hold the ball up we’ll something that cisse doesn’t.
    I don’t wish joe k any harm at all but sick of hearing stuff about him now when we should be concentrating on players coming in.
    Preseason soon and still no new players agreed!!!!

  • 35 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Bony would be worth the 12 mill though. Goals win games end of.

  • 36 Markaccus // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Ruddy

    Cant disagree. Now im just off for 40 winks…..

  • 37 Rooster // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Wow, that is a heavy duty debate going on right there.

    It is a clear pro MA or anti MA debate.

    Bit of an OK CORRAL situation going on with Spotlight Kid and Pawl250

    Who would be looked on as the villain!

    Would it be Pawl for defending the arch enemy MA!

    Or Spotlight for attacking the arch enemy!

    I personally agree whole hearted with Pawl, I don’t think MA is out to do us over at all, he wants to susatain and build, he has his own methods of course, and football is certainly a bit different to his retail world, but I really think through the peeks and troughs we are going to start climbing again, financially we have been climbing for quite a while now, last season playing wise was awful as we all know.

    Its up to everyone at the club to stick their chests out and right that horror show from last year.
    MA makes massive decisions, the like vittually all of us would not ever get anywhere near to ever, he does it because he feels it is the right thing to do, not because he is trying to hurt or aggrieve the fans, I truly believe that.

    Two impassioned arguments that were given will satisfy both anti and pro MA supporters.

    That is strong debating at full throttle, I liked it, I am pro the good MA has done rather than the bad! “I can live with getting my feelings hurt” but I cant live with like Wolves and Pompey going down to the 1st division, that could easily have happened in another scenario, it was not beyond the relms.

    I applaud both efforts to their cause, but finance is so important in sustaining a self sufficiant club, decisions have to be made, and unpopular ones, but we are getting through the thunder clouds and approaching the rainbow of the new season.

  • 38 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Markaccus

    I don’t even want to think of what that implies! haha

  • 39 Rooster // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    In FACT, Pawl n Spotlight Kid should get down to the labour club for a shoot out! or behind the strawberry car park ha ha!

    Pawl would obviously get wounded at the start with a big hit to the upper shoulder from the masses, but I feel in time more would realise his point, resulting in a fairer debate and only pride getting injured as a result.

  • 40 jmcreavy91 // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Ed,

    You are in a position of power. Stop feeding these pointless stories to fans. Giving opinion on a mans medical condition is well outside your remit and is only going to inspire comments like “I hope Jo Kinnear dies of a heart attack” (which I have read on this blog). Morally and logically bereft statements are only increasing the antipathy towards the club and its owner and this is not what being a fan is.

  • 41 David B's Toon // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    After his unprofessional approach towards the media, fans, and players’ his position is untenable. His contract should be terminated forthwith. Just like the debacle with Dennis Wise. In any other business if I or anyone else brought the company into disrepute: our contract would be terminated with immediate effect!

  • 42 Scottiedog // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    I agree with 38.

    Can you please stop with the Kinear attack blogs. Give him a chance and see what he can do for us, and if in a few months it has not worked then we can go for the throat!!

    Also can we please have some positive blogs on transfers etc

  • 43 MysteriousStranger // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    It doesn’t matter how fit he is or how sturdy his heart his while he can’t pronounce names correctly no one know who he wants to sign!
    Thats why we’ve had no bids accepted, no one who he’s on about (Inluding him).

  • 44 Markaccus // Jun 26, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Personally i wouldnt ever wish anyone death or serious ill health for that matter. I dont think Ed would either, given his recent medical history, and niether would he be too happy reading it from the people here. This article is full of very valid points about jks health, ed cant help it if some sick fekkers use it as a vehicle for there vile comments.

  • 45 Markaccus // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    *thier

  • 46 Markaccus // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    Grrrr…. their*

  • 47 jmcreavy91 // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    I wasn’t suggesting anyone on this blog wishes ill health on anyone, merely pointing out that some articles on here are not newsworthy, and only contribute to a negative atmosphere around the club. Ed has a responsibility to set the tone, and I feel he could do a better job.

  • 48 Mister Tuff // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Well what’s happening today, thought my computer was broken earlier on as it seemed to be repeating long winded posts submitted by “the rose tinted self congratulatory back slapping jam tomorrow brigade”, previously known as the “Blind Faith Brigade”.
    After eventually getting through said posts,(stopped halfway through for refreshments -bit like the interlude at the cinema) I would not necessarily disagree about getting the club on a sound financial footing – excellent position to promote the sale of the club, or make it ultimately self sustaining but will probably have no effect on financial management when other “big clubs” drive a coach and horses through the Financial Fair Play Rules.
    There was a suggestion by one that it was the fans who caused the bad press stories. This is really not true -the Toon are lousy at PR and bring it all upon themselves.
    Lastly it is reputed that the worlds most common lie is when people say “trust me”.

  • 49 bills-son // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    FACT:

    No Div 1/Prem Lge title in 87 years.

    FACT.

    No FA Cup winners success in 57 years.

    FACT.

    No League Cup win in 52 years.

    Proves how ambitous and successful our owners were before Ashley.

    I watched my first Toon match in 1959 and I’ve seen us win win one trophy – the Fair Cup in 1969.

    Don’t tell me Ashley is the worst and most unambitious owner we’ve had.

  • 50 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Spotlight takes it for me and is spot on.
    As a club we are still in the same position we are as when Ashley took over.Average squad,Poor manager a bigger debt even with an interest free loan.

  • 51 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Urgh Bills…you make my head sore.

  • 52 veto // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    you should ahve a job at the chronicle ed,
    they are sensationalist wind ups and a detriment to our club also .

  • 53 John Tudor // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    no shows the inability to invest they did not have the resources then unlike now ashley has to come out and step up to the plate put up or shut up

  • 54 Ba Humbug // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    Come on guys, can we talk football here instead of perving over someone else’ gf??

  • 55 cyprus // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    G,
    Sorry just saw your message, had gone to work.
    To answer your question: Yes that big ugly flag is still on the mountain across, lights up like a Christmas tree every few seconds at night. Monster complex if you ask me!!

  • 56 Big Pappa Cissé // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    Sureley the last job you would want to take if you have had previous heart trouble is some type of football management. Let alone the rollercoaster that is NUFC

  • 57 Rooster // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    aidy, bony looks a really good player, bit worried that the FACT that Cisse has no nous at all for playing with striking partners, if he aint getting the ball back he aint playing.

    Goals win games Defenders win Championships (ouch)

    May as well get a good striker in then for the craic!

    Yea tuff, all this in fact and to be honest and to be fair and I tell you what it is and to be trutheful, normally means the opposite ha ha, cannot trust any of these types.

    OH hold on a minute, I do it myself at times mmmmmmmmmmm gets ingrained dosnt it????????

  • 58 count // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    Great to see some of these deluded morons being slapped down by the likes of PAW, Bill’s-son and Rooster (amongst others).

    These idiots obviously don’t have a clue about what is happening in the wider world and think that they have some valid complaint. Get a grip and thank your lucky stars that you weren’t born in Syria or Libya or somewhere similar and aren’t having your country completely screwed over in the name of the Petro-dollar.

    We are on the road to WWIII and people are whining on about us not finishing higher and higher in the league with each passing season.
    Here’s the news, you do not “deserve” success nor is it possible for any team to constantly improve. It is frigging impossible.

    Some of you whingers need to wake the frig up and realise there is some serious stuff happening while you are living in your football fantasy land.

    Be thankful that we aren’t part of this ridiculous, debt-with-interest culture.

  • 59 count // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    *awaits hurtful insults from people like Geordie Dan, calling me “little boy” or some other puerile, grasping, not-remotely-based-in-fact put down

  • 60 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Just another two fingers up to the supporters appointment by Ashley.
    Surely if the bloke knew anything about football the job for DOF would have been advertised and a more suitable appointed would have made.
    I’m sure most clubs wouldn’t touch Kinnear on his health issues alone never mind his know all football knowledge and blatant lies

  • 61 Munster Mag // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Billson, trying to defend Ashley by comparing him to useless gobshites like McKeag et al wont get us anywhere. We are in hock to him now, and yes he has cham=nged things to buy us some good players, good investments. But so many other aspects of his tenure are so badly flawed , some of his decisions so misguided that spouting on about him being our best owner ever is pretty pointless. You must have felt a kick in the teeth when this man you laud so much again went down the “jobs for my mates ” route and appointed Kinnear….

  • 62 martoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    Count – I am not going to insult you but point out that this is a football blog to discuss all things associated with NUFC. If I wanted to discuss world politics I would find an appropriate blog/forum.

  • 63 Mister Tuff // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    There is not many things worse on a blog than comments not based on fact (under the guise of being a fact) -absolutely disgraceful especially when used as a “put down” to other bloggers.
    Now then what else is there to discuss today ———-freezes in amazement – what’s this World War 111 about to start – never saw anything on the news about this – stuff you lot I’m away out into the garden – well equipped with my plans of how to build a nuclear bunker.

  • 64 Rooster // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Vanc, MA will keep everything in house, he likes and trusts JK we may not be over ennamered by him, but the top man does, nowt we can do, another hard decision and one that divides a lot of fans again, I don’t want to come on the forum with the I tell you what it is patter, but there has to be a different voice, look I aint to fond of our manager, and I had a right pop at him many times last season, its up to him to put certain things right from last season, it was hideous at times, his excuses his tactics his favorites etc etc.

    I support MA on the whole, he brought Pardew in but I will still have a go if I don’t think something is right, Pardew for me the coin is still in the air, good the season before last, awful last season, we just pray the coin drops in our favour this season, I personally, THINK IT WILL.

  • 65 Rotonda heights // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    count

    shut up you little boy

  • 66 Rooster // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Tuff, MA has a canny bunker, hes been there for the last couple of weeks! is it safe to come out yet???

    Spotlight Kid is on the roof still, not quite yet Mike ha ha.

  • 67 Indian Magpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    pardew still not sacked? WTF?

  • 68 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Count,
    It is a football blog, if people want to complain about Ashley, then that is there choice, if they want to support Ashley, then that is there choice.

    Bringing in Syria, Libya etc is utterly irrelevant and brings nothing to this debate. If that is what you want to discuss then use a different forum.

    Anyway, right my 2 cents, I don’t think Ashley has done as much good as some on here seem to think, whilst he has done some good, a lot can be traced back to beneficial reasons for him. That isn’t a problem for me, if things that benefit his evil plan benefit the club at the same time then great. If by SD growing through global audiences means we need to be in the prem, great. If is buy low policy brings us talented players like Cabaye, HBA etc, then great. If he doesn’t have to accrue further debt by interest payments, meaning extra cash to spend elsewhere then great.

    However, he has made some huge errors while at the club, and has alienated himself from the general public through doing this. I can by and large accept some of his past misdemeanours, the stadium name change was an error, particularly using SD, if he had done it but used The Sir Bobby Robson Foundation Arena to ‘showcase’ it there would not have been the uproar. Wonga, if they offered the most cash, and if the reports were true that they would pump money into various areas of the club on top of the fee then I can begrudgingly accept it.

    But, the kicker for me is that if he had shown even the slightest hint that he was becoming more savvy on the football side I may be a little more sympathetic, but from day 1, he has listened to the advice of close friends rather than people who are suited to give advice.

    Jimenez, Wise, Kinnear, Llambias were all terrible appointments. Pardew was a baffling move. Keegan and Shearer were an attempt at appeasing the fans, both were awful appointments (proves fans don’t always know best) Hughton, he got lucky, the man was already here, and Ashley didn’t find someone who wanted to step in to the turmoil while Ashley attempted to sell the club.

    He continues to make recruitment errors to key positions in the backroom, and by all intents and purposes, the recruitment process is a beer down the Orange Tree pub. Until those backroom positions are filled appropriately then how can there be this “stability” we hear so much about.

    I can guarantee that he will not run SD recruitment like this, so why should we have to put up with it?

  • 69 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Apologies, that was intended to just be my 2 cents, turned into closer to a dollar…..

  • 70 martoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    Rooster – I tend to agree with most of what you say. However the thing I don’t understand is why MA gives a job at NUFC to his pals? I’m sure he doesn’t do this for a top job in SD so why not draw up a short list and interview the candidates and choose the best one.

  • 71 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Rooster
    It’s the same mistakes made again and again and we haven’t gone forward at all.
    As for keeping it in house good choice with Kinnear as he was spouting off before he was even officially announced.

  • 72 Markaccus // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Martoon

    I, on the other hand, WILL insult him…..

    Count

    That was a totally un called for rant, so i think you should drop the ‘o’ from your name.

  • 73 headtheball // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    pawl250
    I think you are wasted on here mate. Iceland hold their saga writers in high regard.
    Smiley Face
    HWTL

  • 74 count // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    I’m talking about life. Not politics.
    Opinions are only worth something when they take into account the whole picture. Some people seem so focused on Newcastle and nothing else that their opinions are not in fact opinions, they are mere thoughts and conjecture. They don’t have a clue about the history of Newcastle nor do they have a clue about how life is for the other god-knows-how-many football teams in the world.

  • 75 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    Well I for one am not defending MA to the extent I want people to follow me.

    Everyone should make up their own mind, we have free will for a reason.

    I just feel alot of people are giving him alot of negativity when in reality he is the reason the club is still going today.

    You cannot say we would/or would not be here today if MA did not buy the club, its one of those “What ifs?” scenarios, but the club was in melt down before he came. The way it was heading, we could well have been Pompey/Leeds dropping through divisions.

    Time will tell if we manage to improve under his tenure, right now I think we have. The club is more stable, younger, and has more prospect.

    We have no real mercenaries like Owen, Geremi, Smith or Viduka anymore. AND Thank god that is the case!

    I agree we have a very average manager, I agree we have a shambles of a DoF, but anyone needs to understand MA is here for money.

    If the club fails to improve, changes will be made, as he is not getting money! Simple as!

    If they do improve then he makes money, but ultimately we are winning to because for him to succeed in his goal, Newcastle need to win games, and be a better club in all aspects.

    If the clubs strands itself around relegation like last season the club will ultimately be worth less. And that is not an option for him.

    Being all negative and inviting the world media to put the club under a micro scope will not help our cause, infact if we are looking at PEA why would he come to us?!

    Our fans are protesting about the chairman, its all doom and gloom! All they do is make the club overall look a state, when in reality this time last year it was all fine and dandy, which in reality is no better off OR worse this year.

    Ok we arent in EL but that has caused some iffy performances, so it has two sides to the coin!

    Talk to me in December, and we will know a better standing to where we stand in the overall PL, with NO excuses this time round. Pardew certainly will be held accountable, as would Kinnear according to the man himself.

  • 76 Rooster // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Martoon, I really do think MA respects JK as a football man, and he is a football man, many may see him as a bit of a t rex but its his decision, I think he may well be friendly with JK but he thinks he can do a job for him, again lets wait and see, it is better the devil you know with Mike, and I would be surprised if in any of his other businesses if any people out of his circle get the big jobs.

  • 77 count // Jun 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Hahaha marcacus. I deliberately used that name to draw out people like you who resort to using utterly pathetic meaningless insults in an attempt to give their own so-called opinions validity.

    Come back when you actually have something to say.

  • 78 Mister Tuff // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Rooster – good parallel – the bunker mentality -never thought of that. The way the JK “appointment” hit the news could feature in future PR guides as how not to do something correctly.
    1.All those authorised to speak are away on holiday.
    2.JK goes solo and makes a fool of himself and as a consequence the club.
    3. Nobody is in position to effect “damage limitation”.
    4. As usual no a peep from MA -to limit the press speculation by setting a Toon agenda.
    5. Not even a lying story from SD News.

  • 79 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie -

    You speak alot of sense, and I wholeheartedly agree with the appointments in both manager and backroom staff.

    I think you make a valid point, and fans in reality do not know best. Lets be honest you cannot please everyone!

    The fact is Kinnear, for me is the only bad thing about the club I love right now.

    Why? Because he is a walking car crash, especially in modern day football with how “under the scope” everything is.

    Kinnear although football savvy (maybe 20 years ago), is for me the wrong man for the right job.

    Still we as a collective whole have NO idea what has been said behind the scenes. I mean Joe Kinnear may/may not be a good appointment. I suspect the later, but we will see.

    Right now the club needs its fans, and as you delicately put it, if the club does well who cares?!

    People need to understand though, MA wants that too, so if we want JK out, and Newcastle do badly this season, he will be out!

    Simple as that really, MA will go elsewhere. As for Pardew the same solution.

    If we do well, then all these moaners and groaners will wait for a rainy day to put their troll helmets on and come out in force with their pitchforks as has been expected in the past, and the will be in the future!

  • 80 count // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    I was illustrating a certain ignorant mentality that these whingers are displaying. They are ignoring the reality of the situation. Insulting anyone who disagrees with them.
    Be it about football or “world politics” (reality) they are incapable of absorbing the information presented to them by others. They think acting like a hard man makes their opinions right.

    It is completely related to this blog and the deluded child-like moaning of some of the people on here.

  • 81 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Rooster
    So in Ashley’s world Kinnear is the best man for the job,does he have an amazing CV to justify his appointment.Or is he just a yes man a friend and a cheaper option.

  • 82 count // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    Mister tuff. Another one who proves my point.

  • 83 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    VancMagpie -

    Please detail me Joe Kinnears job description?!

    ….. nothing is certain, but my point being he may well be the man MA needs right now, who knows.

    I personally do not want him at the club, but moaning about it will not help.

    It just portrays the club in a negative light.

    I admit Kinnear has brought it on himself, but time will tell.

    This time next year we finish 7th, the fact is people will STILL moan about something, even if Kinnear pulled off signing Messi people would still complain.

    Ultimately the club can never win. Period.

  • 84 count // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    Latches on to something he thinks worthy of ridicule and ignores the actual point. So deluded that he completely fails to see that he just completely backed up my point.
    Infantile, incapable of grasping the concepts of others.

  • 85 toon kk // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    We have MA as our owner and his choice of staff whether we like it or not. The worst thing about it all We want ambition and to watch good football. MA just wants a business, as long as we’re in the premier league he’s happy. Unfortunately through his lack of knowledge his mistakes keep coming along.

  • 86 Rooster // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    Who was it only last week that said MA had found the holy grail formula to running a football club, may have been Ian Dowie just before he laid in to him for the JK decision.
    like some have said lets wait and see until at least Xmas, lets give it a chance instead of blastin the furness up again.
    Remember going down to the fizzy, many and it is the ones kicking off now said we would be down there for years to come? then when we came up the same ones said we would go straight back down, then when it was mentioned the next season Europe was a possibility it was laughed out of court, then next season because our expectations were not fulfilled, the furness got blasted up again.

    We have had a good time of it since we went down many good decisions many very good aquasitions also that have performed for us, and yes the ground renaming was awful an Houghton wasn’t to everyones taste when he got sacked but most of them complaining did not even want him in the first place.

    So another chapter is about to begin with season 2013/2014 but lets be clear the doubters at the moment don’t get it right all the time for sure and a lot of the predictions of the last 4 years have went down the pan, some havnt and some things have hurt a bit, give the season a chance to see what happens., its not me being ultra positive its just we have been insimilar positions before.

  • 87 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    Pawl
    So anyone with a different opinion to yours is a troll and shouldn’t have an opinion.
    We all want what is best for NUFC as supporters and in my opinion and others Ashley only really wants the Toon as a flagship for Sports Direct to put them on a global scale which the Toon already have

  • 88 wolfshead@toon // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    i wonder if anyone at the club had the wherewithal to put in a bid for tevez or are we fixated with unknown/tried french players cos they sposed to be good vfm i wonder if carr has a cottage in the dordogne that he doesnt want to give up haha

  • 89 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    Down with this sort of thing!

  • 90 martoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Count – I understand what you are saying but I think you miss the point that this blog is a place where people can vent their spleen, whinge and moan. It can be tedious to read sometimes but I’d rather they did it here than go out and punch a horse ;)

  • 91 Rooster // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    Vanc, who kjnows in MA`s business world he may employ many people with in that sphere that are looked at as being not up to it, he is ultra successful though to say the very least. yet again we are in the top 20 richest clubs in the world with many many international players on our staff, it isn’t all black clouds, but MA in many fans eyes wont ever be the answer and any dubious decision by him gets pounced on, but in his life he has made many of these decisions and had turned out to be one of the most successful people in business in british history, we as a club are not doing to bad at all.

  • 92 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Pawl
    I couldn’t tell you Kinnears job description as he changes it every time he opens his mouth.Just as you can’t tell me Ashley’s real ambition for the Toon because nobody knows.
    To say give him time I have nearly seven years now and we are no better off and still find ourselves playing catch up to the likes of Everton

  • 93 Rooster // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    Wolf, I think tevez is top quality, its a wages thing isn’t it hes on mad money and will want close to it, it would be a mega challenge for him to come her, wont happen will it, but he would be magic for the toon IMO.

  • 94 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Pawl,
    For me the two points that stick with me are Pardew and Kinnear.

    Kinnear, where to start, okay personality wise, he doesn’t lend himself to being a easy to like bloke. But, at the end of the day, nor did Sir Alex and look how he did, so I will ignore his personality. He can’t pronounce certain names, will forgive him that, we have all mis pronounced something before, and will most likely do it again. It depends what his role details, if it is an thorough oversight of the coaching, the development on the training ground, then there are much more suitable people. The man has not got a record of developing young players, more a record of getting the best from journeymen. If it is the coaching, I would be surprised if his methods differ from the current dilapidated methods.

    If it is transfers, I would like clarification on his part. Does he join in with negotiations, is he just a buffer for Carr and Pards? Does he actively scout players? I struggle to understand what beneficial role he can play.

    I’ve said it before, but Dario Gradi would have been an outstanding candidate for DoF given his track record.

    Pardew, I was willing to give time to, and felt that if he showed to be learning and adapting his playing style after his squad was strengthened in Jan then I would have been happy to give him a chance next season. As it is, I think he isn’t suited to what we have here and should therefore make way. I’m not asking for a world class manager who wants big wages and a big budget. I simply want a manager who wants to play a style that suits the players at hi disposal. A manager who can change tactics with a substitution. I understand the injuries in the first half of the season, but he had 5 new players in Jan, and we persisted with tactics that didn’t get the most out of our players.

    A damning statement on him for me was just after Ba left, and he played Cisse on the right and Shola where Ba would have been saying that they had trained to set up with Cisse right and Ba middle, so hecould hardly change it.

  • 95 Tsunki // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    Count – if there are LOTS of people getting on your nerves on this blog, it might mean something other than what you are supposing ;)

  • 96 toon kk // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    By talking to other Newcastle fans and reading this blog there’s an awful lot of frustration out there. Rightly so.
    We’re a big club and all we want is a bit of success.

  • 97 wolfshead@toon // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    rooster

    ah yes i forgot about that haha ;-)

  • 98 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    VancMagpie -

    Where did I even say I want people to have my opinion, infact I have said several times people have the right to make up their own mind.

    Thats a fair point, but its also a sound business model.

    As for NUFC in the process, they have improved. Look at our team 5 years ago compared to now.

    Shay Given – Tim Krul
    Steve Harper –
    Fraser Foster – Rob Elliot
    Tim Krul – Jay Alnwick
    Stephen Carr – Mathieu Debuchy
    Craig Moore – Fabrico Coloccini
    Oguchi Onyewu – Mike Williamson
    Titus Bramble – Mapou Yanga Mbiwa
    Peter Ramage – Davide Santon
    Steven Taylor – Steven Taylor
    Celestine Babayaro – Massadio Haidara
    Olivier Bernard – Ryan Taylor
    Nolberto Solano – Hatem Ben Arfa
    Emre – Yohan Cabaye
    Kieron Dyer – Sylvian Mareveaux
    Charles NZogbia – Moussa Sissoko
    James Milner – Vernon Anita
    Damien Duff – Jonas Gutierrez
    Scott Parker – Cheik Tiote
    Lee Clark – James Perch
    Nicky Butt – Yohan Gouffran
    Oba Martins – Pappiss Cisse
    Michael Owen – ?
    Shola Ameobi – Shola Ameobi
    Albert Luque – ?
    Antonie Sibierski – ?
    Andy Carroll – Adam Campbell

    And I still have not mentioned Obertan, Gosling. Not that it improves anything! But our youth looks better, considering Bigirmana has not been mentioned. The most promising youth player back then other the Andy Carroll was Kazenga Lua Lua lol

    Look at that and tell me no improvement has been made? Half of the players mentioned in the past were ancient back then.

    The only thing we had then was an attacking line, when they actually played!

    Bottom line is an addition of a striker we have a better squad overall BY FAR! thats an opinion, but I think most would agree.

  • 99 Dagwoodz // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    I Find It Amusing That There Are So many ITK On Here That Know Exactly What MA Wants With/for NUFC. I Havent Seen A Statement From Mashley himself Since Just after He Bought The Club. All We Have Is Second Hand, At Best, Accounts Of What He Supposedly Wants.

    Calling An Assumption Of What He (MA) Wants Fact Is Fraudulent. This Goes For The Pro And Anti Ashley Camps. He’s Our Club’s Owner. It’s His To Do With What He Pleases. Of Course I HOPE He Wants The Best For The Advancement Of The Club. But Even If He For Some Reason Doesnt Want That, I’ll Still Support The Club.

    I Don’t Think Ashley Cares If People Boycott The Games. It Is small Change In Comparison To His Income, And If He Is Trying To Get The Club To Be Self Sustaining, All A Boycott Will Do Is Hurt The Toon’s Purchasing Power, Ultimately Harming The Club. I Dont Think Anyone Wants That…Well, Maybe Cheik Toastie Does.

  • 100 Jail for Ashley // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    I’m firmly in the spotlight kid camp !!!

  • 101 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Sorry thats 6 years ago, when Ashley arrived.

  • 102 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Pawl,
    I’d also be over the moon and delighted if both of the above prove me wrong. I will more then happily eat humble pie.

  • 103 wolfshead@toon // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    dag

    why mr t !?

  • 104 Jail for Ashley // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    Wonga and SD probably the most visited shop by the contestants of Jeremy Kyle, they probably get SD vouchers to smarten them selves up for their stay in the Travelodge before the show.

  • 105 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    Ok, I set it up, seems like I have to finish it myself. That’s what I get for trying to bring some levity to the blog.

    Ahem. Careful now. ;)

  • 106 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Rooster
    So Ashley takes the credit for us being 20th richest club in the world.Were we not the 5th richest club in 1997 with a squad full of internationals so how is Ashley the big saviour

  • 107 Jail for Ashley // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    I find it amusing that people posted Mike Ashley has learned from his mistakes FACT without a shred of evidence when he clearly hasn’t, why aren’t they now posting Mike Ashley has learned from his mistakes FICTION.

  • 108 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Well that’s going to be the high point of my contribution for today…guess I’ll be off.

    See ya folks!

  • 109 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Dagwoodz,(and any other who might be interested)

    John Hall was interviewed on the sale of the club, and stated what he was told was the reason behind Mike Ashley’s purchase of NUFC.

    ” I was told that the man behind the deal was Mike Ashley and I sat with his representatives over 3 days thrashing out a deal. I was keen to know why they wanted the club and they were quite honest. They wanted to market their sports goods in the Far East and would use the Club to help do this.”

    He thought this a good idea as to do that successfully he at the same time would have to make NUFC successful.

  • 110 Dagwoodz // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    @Wolf,

    The Poster Chiek The Toastie, Not Tiote The player…He Mentioned In One Of His Mant Rants On AP That He Wanted Us Relegated. Utter B…….Ks If You Ask me.

  • 111 toon kk // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    All we can do as supporters is support our club. We have no say. We want success, whether we ever get it remains to be seen.

  • 112 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    Dagwoodz

    I dont claim to know what MA wants, I assume!

    My main reason, Mike Ashley is a successful business man. Period!

    He is greedy like all millionaire owners, lets be honest they are millionaires, and billionaires for a reason.

    If Newcastle do not succeed they become a liability making him, his worth overall less.

    This in unacceptable, as a business man, he needs to make Newcastle a profitable purchase, otherwise what was the whole point?!

    He does not support Newcastle, or love the club. To him its money, and if it does not make money it is a weakness in his portfolio.

    Based on the above the only way Newcastle to make money is by buying better players to improve play, results, league position, cup wins, overall resulting into a bigger fanbase.

    The other way is buying brilliant talent in the mold of say Sissoko, or Santon and like investment nurture the talent into becoming worth more. Like Cabaye 4m, to 15m+.

    This is another way of making money, but by removing i.e. Cabaye (or best players) you are left vulnerable to dropping down the table, so investment is needed again, only this time you can perhaps buy a Isco for 12m, but in the future he will be worth 20m+ therefore constantly improving the team in the process.

    This makes the club self sustained, and more valuable whilst slowly paying back money. Its a solid purchase because it always improves and eventually will be worth more than he paid for.

    At no point does he want to de value something that takes up alot of his equity, otherwise he loses money. and that is a FACT! not an opinion.

  • 113 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    @pawl
    You list a load of players but where are we better off we are still fighting relegation with a poor manager and now with another Dennis wise figure that didn’t work first time round

  • 114 WWYCD // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    pawl
    Cutting cost and staying in the PL makes u money, Ashley doesn’t need us to be successful he just needs us in the league

  • 115 Dagwoodz // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    @Lilo,

    Thats All Well And Good That John Hall Said That, But Since The Sale, How Many Times Has MA Himself Come Out And Stated What He Wanted For/With The Club? Unless I’m Mistaken, He Has Not Done So. Even With John Hall Saying That, It’s Still Second Hand Information.

  • 116 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    Vanc even without MA we would not be the 5th richest now, that is not his fault!

    He came to us in 2007! Thats a 10 year gap between 1997!

    Where did we stand in 2007? Geordies owned the club up until that point! Should you be grateful to MA, yes, because I think without him, Newcastle would not be in the PL today. Personal opinion of course. UNLESS we of course got billionaire owners, but thats is a big IF.

    Would be interesting but we had no CL football, and players on CL salaries, it would be constant downhill battle.

    Now we are 20th, with a decent net value on our team.

    Its not in MA interest to sell them all, perhaps 1 or 2 at the right time i.e Carroll and replace with similar if not better quality for less than sold.

    Its a sound model. But requires alot of research and planning.

  • 117 Unbelievable Tekkers // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Eurosport claiming we have had a bid of €18m turned downed for PEA…..most likely bs

  • 118 wolfshead@toon // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    dag

    some on here have extreme views but we are an all inclusive club haha

  • 119 rainrix // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Dag…. Not having a go but damn your posts are distracting with a capital letter at the start of every word. Surely your posts take a while to type out? :)

  • 120 toon kk // Jun 26, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    Paw……MA might be a business man but HOW good? His business plan has had us relegated and almost relegated again last season, knocking millions off the value of the club. His running and penny pinching could cost him in the long run.

  • 121 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    VancMagpie -

    How do you know it wont work?! Hes been appointed for what a week?!

    Tell me the stats of this not working?! Why can you not wait and see instead of all the negativity!

    And yes our club is much more valued now, as it was back in 2007 lol Did you see that squad, it was awful! And it commanded a wage bill about 3-4x the current one we have!

    WWYCD

    He can sell players sure, but then the club is worth less, and he needs to reinvest, whilst staying in the PL.

    Also as past shows, who has MA actually sold?! I mean hes here to make a quick buck right?! Other than Carroll which money was used to offset relegation season losses, who has he sold unwillingly?!

    But he wants to make a quick buck right?! I mean he even denied a 30m bid from Liverpool for Carroll….. sounds like someone just wanting to cash in ASAP.

    Look he cannot have us relegated, he needs us to improve as it improves his business model on both fronts. NUFC have a bigger fan base, better net value ergo make more money. SD is plastered across Europe (if we managed to get in again) therefore advertising his other company ergo more money.

    In The Championship, none of this will happen, players are sold at a fraction and the club loses money.

    He cannot afford that, he learnt his lesson last time. I assure you.

  • 122 Mister Tuff // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Count – I see you are now singling me out – in consequences of your sweeping generalisations about those who do not hold your views ie;…”They don’t have a clue about the history of Newcastle….”.
    Are you talking about the Football team or the City -and what evidence do you have that others are ignorant on either subject.
    I for example went to my first game at SJP in 1965 -and know plenty about the club. As for the City -I have studied the origins throughout my life – as an example it’s not so long back that I posted information on here about the origins of the City, William the Conquerors son, letter from the Bishop of Carlisle in 1331 referring to Newcastle as Neuf-Chastel sur Tyne etc etc.
    I would like to think I have a good knowledge of both areas -why do you ASSUME others have not. Bit of an arrogant position if you don’t mind me saying.

  • 123 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Dagz,
    MA doesn’t say anything publicly. Even if he did, how can we know whether or not he is telling the truth. I think, given the way that he operates what John Hall said has a lot of things to back it up. MA is buying sportswear groups throughout Europe and Asia, we have toured the US once, and have tried to get to South Africa twice now. These sorts of tours are organised for marketing purposes, not because they are most suitable for preseason preparation.

    If that is MA’s aim, to make money through advertising his brand globally on broadcasted games then we need to be doing well enough to be shown regularly. That means competing at the top end of the table. Broadcasters will generally show the big 5/6 teams, and if there is a clash Newcastle won’t be shown. He needs that, so we must improve for him to do this.

  • 124 Dagwoodz // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    @Rain,

    Bloody Phone…Can’t Do Too Much About it. It Has Malfunctions On The Blog. I Think It’s On Meth.

  • 125 WWYCD // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    pawl
    Ashley bought the club to make a quick buck and got stuck with us he was never in it for the long haul imo. Now all he wants is us in the league imo he doesn’t care if we win trophies or get into Europe as long as we stay in the PL

    As for him learning his lesson about relegation how did last season happen? For me his lack of ambition and investment last summer started the rot

  • 126 G // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    Alledgedly we are one of the clubs attempting to sign Dwight Tiendalli. Was on a short deal at Swansea last season. Anybody heard anything about this, or is this more 2+2 =5 rumors? I believe he is a free agent, so its possible, however, whilst we do need defensive re-enforcements I’m not sure how I feel about this rumour?

  • 127 rainrix // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    Dag… Haha, i honestly thought you were typing it out manually :).

  • 128 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    Pawl….well said. I completely agree with you.

    People who blame Ashley are somewhat deluding themselves on the past.

  • 129 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    @pawl250
    Actually looking through the list of players they are pretty even and you missed Viduka.
    Our current squads sell on value is only viable if the potential of the said players is reached.Under the current management they are going backwards so only a small profit if any would be made ie Tiote went from a 20 million player to his purchase price in one season

  • 130 Mister Tuff // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Ooooops forgot to add that in consequence of Counts’ information about World War 111 about to start, I am now reporting from my newly built nuclear bunker in my garden. I’ve managed to make a periscope with a couple of Pringles’ containers taped together but cannot spot any missiles yet.
    Over and out!

  • 131 Dagwoodz // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    Thats Kind Of My Point Lilo. No One But MA Truly Knows What He Wants. I’m Pretty Neutral When It Comes To Him. I Dont Think He Wants To De Value The Club; Just The Opposite. But That Just What I Think.

  • 132 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    WWYCD

    But the multiple signings in January didnt show he learnt his lesson?! And these signings, Gouffran, Mbiwa, Sissoko etc. played the majority of games.

    They werent “back up” signings. They were intended for first team.

    I mean in the summer we attempted to get Luuk De Jong, that much is apparent. And in Jan we attempted to bring Loic Remy.

    These are far from the signings that seen us down last time, Kevin Nolan being the marquee savior that January!

    Cannot see him wanting this to happen again. Just my two cents, but getting into Europe, especially CL is a must on all fronts!

    If he managed to pull that off, then he would not only have CL money, bigger reputation, increased fan base. He would be advertising SD to the world on a grand scale.

    I mean I watch most CL games, especially if the team were to qualify past group stages the exposure of SD would be literally world wide.

    This is a dream, but surely its a goal he has to set. Its a prime market given he sells sports goods.

    I he thought otherwise then he clearly made his money by luck. I am sure he has been advised appropriately, and before people say by Joe Kinnear, notice on his interviews he was adamant he does not control the finances haha!

  • 133 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    @Lilongwe Geordie
    well put

  • 134 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    WWYCD…… an old arab adage states that ‘only a fool argues with a fool’

    Anyhow, here i go…Ashley bought the club to make a quick buck? Then pays off 140 million of debt with cold cash?

    Good jesus.

  • 135 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    VancMagpie -

    Sorry but the players we had were old, and past it. Owen, Butt, Clark, Bramble (released on free end of the year) etc.

    I also didnt miss Viduka, as that was one the first MA signings in the summer he took over with Fat Sam buying him.

    The squad was poor, our squad for the year is shown as

    ——————- Given —————
    Solano – Taylor – Bramble – Carr
    Milner —- Butt — Parker — Emre
    ———– Sibierski – Martins/or Shola I cant remember!

    Solano was old, Bramble was released on free shows you how much he was wanted, as was Sibierski.

    Parker was brilliant, never said anything other.

    Emre was hit/miss.

    Martins was injured most the time. Milner was out best player.

    Carr….. I hated him, but in reality he was not that bad. He certainly did a job at Birmingham but he was awful for us!

    We have a much better, YOUNGER, cheaper, yet worth more squad now.

  • 136 WWYCD // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    pawl
    If he had learnt his lesson he wouldn’t of needed to bring in so many players in Jan, had he correctly invested in the summer rather than bringing in just Anita we wouldn’t of needed so much strengthening in Jan. that to me says he hale didn’t learn his lesson at all and is still running us on the bread line and gambling

    luke
    Oh so he bought the club knowing full well about the debt that would be called in without Shepard? It an interesting theory but I doubt it’s correct

  • 137 wolfshead@toon // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    pawl

    imagine if we hung on to parker/milner!

  • 138 one Tony Green // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    Count and Mister Tuff can you please keep your childish remarks about war off this site.

    I have friends serving in Afghanistan and saw friends killed in Northern Ireland so these glib comments are bang out of order.

  • 139 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    @pawl250
    So out of the list of players you would pick that side.
    Cabaye is hit/miss,Solano would not be fullback and maybe he was old but he could put a decent corner in and pick a pass.
    I see your in the Pardew school of picking a team square pegs round holes that says it all for me

  • 140 one Tony Green // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    Milner has been told he can leave Man City might get him for a snip if Tevez was allowed to leave for 10 million.

  • 141 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    VancMagpie -

    READ my post, the squad as shown – as in most picked for the season!

    SO – Yea that is the squad MOSTLY picked for that season!

  • 142 cyprus // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    pawl250,
    That team does look poorer than the one we have now. Arguably, Taylor would (should) be a sub these days, so only two of those would slot right in. Martins was pretty good on his day too. Still remember that spurs thunderbolt.

  • 143 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Let me explain how Ashley paying out $140 million in debt is meaningful.

    The club was sold to ashley with long term debts. Ashley decided that instead of having the club paying interest for the forseeable future, he would pay it off in one lump sum.

    How could someone say that someone who did this was trying to make a quick buck? Its like someone purchasing a home and then spend 140 million on renovation equipment and then some idiot comes along and says “oh he’s trying to make a quick buck on flipping ying that home”

  • 144 Markaccus // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    Count…. you take life far to seriously.

    If we are on the brink of ww3, it is people like you with your holier-than-thou attitude and arrogant nature……

    And who in their right mind gives themselves a name like yours, then makes inflamitory comments just to get people to turn in into an insult?

    Quite frankly it is obvious who the pathetic one is, mate, and it isn’t me.

  • 145 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    So what’s the pointless campaign for today then?
    – demanding Ashley leaves his £267M asset?
    – suggesting alternative managers when we know Pardew is staying?
    – suggesting £50M transfer sprees of CL players?
    – stop JFK from swearing? :-)

    Or are we on more realistic topics?
    – what positions actually need strengthening?
    – who is genuinely not good enough as a squad player for a top 10 club like we know we are?
    – what can the club do better to communicate with the fans?
    – what changes could be made in the coaching areas to improve fitness and set play performance?

  • 146 cyprus // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    That defense looks like it was made to concede goals :)

  • 147 one Tony Green // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    TDS. Well said fella

  • 148 christoon5369 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    hi,
    not in the know or anything just something i heard, i work at the bridgewater where man u carry out there medicals, i was talking to one of their reps this morning as i was digging for info and andreas cornelius name came up, he said they were looking at him but think another club may have beaten them to him, hed asked copenhagen to keep them informed of any other interest/offers in the player, newcastle are said to be in advanced talks with the player, anyone seen this lad play? is he any good?

  • 149 jmcreavy91 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    A point worth mentioning is that any decision Ashley makes , according to most of you , is wrong until proven right. I think we will spend money now Pardew has a direct link to Ashley (Kinnear). Some of you lot will still find a way to moan. The man can’t win! I’m surprised he’s still trying.

  • 150 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    A quick read of Count’s posts leads me to realise that he’s a geeky University student who needs to go out and get laid to get rid of some of his frustration…he probably snorts when he laughs too…

  • 151 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Count – You seem to be looking for an argument. Fine relativise everything, but considering we are on a blog about Newcastle United Football Club most people are going to talk about that rather than ‘temper’ their opinion on the club with thoughts of “well, atleast Mike Ashley isn’t as bad as Assad or Al Shabaab or living in Darfur or any other horrific situation.

    I think it’s you who needs a great deal of perspective. Rather than coming out labelling everyone else ‘ignorant’ maybe consider how you appear coming out of no where and attacking everyone else.

  • 152 WWYCD // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    luke
    That debt was secured under Shepard once he was out of the picture the bank called in the debt. Ashley had to pay up hence why him not doing due diligence is such a big deal

    U think he bought the club knowing about that debt? He saw a struggling club financially with all the right ingredients to make a profitable sale once that side of things had been sorted, his speed at getting the job done resulted him over looking a simple procedure that all businessmen do before purchasing another company

  • 153 one Tony Green // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    Christoon do you work with Rob Swire from Man United much..

  • 154 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    @pawl250
    So that was the side we put out week in week out i don`t think so.
    The side we have now finished 16th wow massive improvement.Yes is full of potential but yet another gaffe by Ashley having a dinosaur for manager to manage said potential.
    Ashley only bought in Jan to safeguard his investment in the premier league.
    We don`t need to be in the CL for Ashley just the premiership to advertise globally Sports Direct

  • 155 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Cyrpus -

    It was an awful team, hands down really.

    Martins was a good instinct finisher but he really is not better than Cisse in comparison the best squad – Based on 4-2-3-1 current formation.

    ———————— Given ————————–
    ————————- Krul —————————
    ———————————————————–
    Carr ——— Taylor —– Bramble —– Bernard
    Debuchy — Mbiwa — Coloccini —— Santon
    ———————————————————–
    —————– Parker — Butt ———————-
    —————– Cabaye – Tiote ———————
    ———————————————————–
    Solano ————— Emre —————— Duff
    Ben Arfa ———- Sissoko ———— Gouffran
    ———————————————————–
    —————— Martins OR Owen —————-
    ————————- Cisse ————————–

    Much better, younger team now if you ask me.

  • 156 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    WWYCD

    Thats just not true.

    Banks would prefer their customers stay in debt. That’s how they make money.

    Banks do not ‘call in debt’. They seize assets or property.

    Ashley paying off his debt was the last thing the lenders wanted him to do. I’ve worked for a bank. I know this to be true.

  • 157 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    VancMagpie -

    FFS look on the appearances site, and locations played THAT is the team labelled and shown!

    I did not pick that team FFS! Why are you having trouble understanding that?!

    That was our most played team! FACT! like it or not its a FACT! its on the stats we played them the most!

  • 158 one Tony Green // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Luke26 all the banks are calling in debt now. That is why the Glazers had to restructure their debt at Manure when RBS went tits up and called in 150 million.

  • 159 christoon5369 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    one tony green

    im on the admin side of things, so not with him, dont deal with the physios mainly the the man u admin staff

  • 160 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    Regarding the debt, a fair amount of it was actually instalments on transfer fees for players that we had brought in. Ashley didn’t like having this debt hanging over in the accounts, so just paid them off as far as I understand.

    I also read recently that another part of it was a loan to expand the stadium that needed to be paid off immediately if SJH left the club. Not 100% sure about this.

  • 161 WWYCD // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    luke
    If u want to believe Ashley was our saviour fair play but ur wrong, that debt was secured under Shepard against future money made under the club once Ashley made a hostile takeover (Shepard did not want to sell) everything changed. If Ashley wanted to drop 260+ million on a club he wouldn’t of bought a club worth half that with 100 million in debt, no chance in hell he wanted to pay that off.

    Also that sent isn’t gone he tacked it onto the clubs sale price only thing he cut out was the interest, so infant he has left it for the next owner to deal with

  • 162 pawl250 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    I don’t think moaning will help in regards to MA

    He wont sell up, so you are wasting your breathe!

    In reality you are doing more harm than good. Allowing media to eat it up, spit it back out with shambles labelled above it. THEN he still wont sell.

    It will also stop us attracting players!

    I mean can people not see this?! He does not care what you think?! If he did he would have sacked Pardew, bought Messi and sold up by now!

    The fact these means to rid MA from the club only present negatives is baffling why people continue to do it. Especially considering he has improved us.

    As shown by comparing squads on his arrival to now.

    Yes we have been relegated in the process but for me, I think it was the best thing to happen to us. It allowed us to start again, a good clean out in process and to rebuild confidence.

  • 163 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Afternoon ladies…

    DarnSarf….

    – what positions actually need strengthening?

    Without considering outgoings, I think we need wingers and strikers mainly.

    – who is genuinely not good enough as a squad player for a top 10 club like we know we are?

    Pains me to say, but Shola. We at least need a better option before him as he can’t be considered a game changer, even though I have nothing against him and he’ll always be the mackem slayer.

    – what can the club do better to communicate with the fans?

    Get JFK on twitter?

    – what changes could be made in the coaching areas to improve fitness and set play performance?

    Pardew Ou…Sorry, went on to default mode there…Looking at other clubs set ups, we do seem short on not just quality, but quantity with coaches (granted I have not researched this extensively). If there isn’t going to be an overhaul in this department, it would be nice to see some new influences brought in…but then you do wonder whether that may bring conflict and confusion within the team. As for fitness, maybe just close the greggs factory? Only joking lads, breathe in, breathe out.

  • 164 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    one Tony Green

    not true.

    Banks arent mobsters. they have contracts.

    here”s what youre refering to:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/23/manchester-united-cut-interest-costs

    thats refinancing of debt . completely different.

  • 165 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    @Mactoon my question got asked but I can’t see the answer?

  • 166 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    Are we playing the Ashley fact game again?

    Can someone remind me of the rules?

    Is it not fair to say, that for whatever reasons,. intentions, benefit, etc, that there has been some really good some good, some bad and some really bad moves by Ashley, but the truth of the matter is that not one us know for sure what the actual facts or plans are?

    Some of the theories make perfect sense, in fact (whoops), most of them do, but just because something makes sense, doesn’t make it fact.

    Is this a drinking game? If so, I best go restock the drinks cabinet. Fact.

  • 167 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    lukes…Do you not think there is some middle ground in this issue? I agree that it is in the banks interest to have people or entities in “debt”, but it is also true that banks have had to minimise their exposure as quite frankly, they’ve all been playing with theoretical money for far too long?

    I haven’t done the research on Ashleys purchase of the club and the hidden debt issue, but I would imagine he had to pay back some of it then, but I would guess he could have got finance for a fair whack of it but chose not to.

    Come join me on the fence people…you get used to the splinters eventually…you may even grow to enjoy them…maybe.

  • 168 Vancmagpie // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    @pawl250
    Wasn`t a fact and if you want to deal with facts FFS Sissoko is not a no.10.You compare Emre to Cabaye yet put Emre and Sissoko together.Taylor was the starting CB not Mmbiwa and yer missing Gutti who played just about every game and HBA missed most of the season FACT so get your facts right before stating so . Everything you say is flawed and twisted to suit and of your own opinion.
    Time for breakfast and maybe a beer never to early for a beer.
    Take note of spotlights post best one on here

  • 169 Graeme // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Pawl 1250 @ 132

    If we got to the CL then non of Ashley’s branding would be allowed at the stadium. ONLY approved CL sponsors logo’s, adverts etc are allowed to be on display.

    Every SD sign, every other advert would have to be covered up.

    But, I thought under the Wonga deal, they were removing all the SD advertising anyway?

  • 170 toon kk // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    The majority of top clubs are in massive debt arnt they? Apart from man city and they must be running at a loss. It just seems to be the way the premier league works. Wages are the main factor.MA addressing that but quality often has its price.

  • 171 SeanNufc87 // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    afternoon ibiza. you trying to talk sense again mate? when will you learn.

    vancE in an early interview with sissoko he stated that was the role he was more comfortable in but his manager at Toulouse played him box to box.

    also ill call you vanc again now

  • 172 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Ibiza

    I’m with you on the players. I think we need one striker and one more attacking wide player. I’m not going to say winger as I think we want someone more flexible than that.

    It’s nice to hear someone else who isn’t a Shola hater. He is an alternative though, and we don’t really have anyone else who can add a physical presence up front. Even if we got another striker, I’d still prefer him around unless Campbell proves himself ready.

    JFK on Twitter??? Joey Barton is salivating at the very thought…

    I think I was reading something recently about the huge number of muscle injuries at our club. This is something that Big Sam was really good at addressing at his clubs. Surely we can get an expert in here who can protect our key assets? On the coaching side…aren’t they all British? And several are Geordies? Much as I approve of hiring local lads, surely a bit more variety would be good?

  • 173 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    Sean…Sense? Where did you get that crazy idea from?

    How’s things?

  • 174 sparky55 // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    everyone’s assuming JFK was coming off his heart treatment…but he’s also got dementia and turrets and methinks after the first two weeks on the job it’s the dementia and turrets treatment he’s stopped taking!

  • 175 SeanNufc87 // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    not bad mate, alls well with you?

    as for a new striker if its to be believed we want prem experience, and i think its a fair assumption most would like some pace injected into the front? i think if moyes brings another striker into the club (been linked with cavanni) then hernandez would be a decent punt.

  • 176 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Ibizatoon

    I don’t think there is a middle ground on this issue.

    Debt is debt. Interest rates are interest rates. There’s only one rationality for paying a lump sum for long term debt. There’s no possible way that Ashley would have been expected to pay 140 million in one lump sum. No contract like this would have ever existed.

    Banks don’t mind financing debt as long as there’s a revenue stream. That’s why ManU can have 700 million in debt, but this would not be permitted for Newcastle or any other smaller club.

    Ashley always pays for things upfront. Transfers etc. He does this to avoid paying interest. Any reports of him selling have got to be incorrect. Everything he’s done financially screams sustainability.

  • 177 foggonridiculous // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    …if you start applying sense then, before you know it we’ll be into logic

    …..and that’ll be a VERY slippery slope….

    …I didn’t get where I am today using logic….

    ….actually I’m not sure there is ANY explanation as to how I got where I am today….

    I must ask nurse……

    Darn it!! …back to reading the blog….. :-p

  • 178 count // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Unfortunately you are wrong Toon down south. I’m not a student and as a matter of fact I had sex a mere few hours ago. Not that it is at all relevant. Another idiot proving my point. Your insults are impotent. Do you understand that? Completely impotent. They serve no purpose other than to make you look thick. I’m certainly not hurt by them. This is what people like you don’t understand. You think substanceless insults help you prove your point. They don’t

    And to the person who thinks he is special because he knows people in the military, so no one is allowed to mention wars. Boo hoo. Childish? Wtf?

  • 179 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    TDS…I agree as far as the winger needs to be able to attack, but I really think we need a proper winger…someone who can cross etc. We have a few that can play the CAM position (Benny & Marv), but are seriously lacking on the wings.

    I do love Shola (in a completely non biblical way I should perhaps point out), but I don’t ever get a buzz seeing him warm up or being subbed on. Not exactly inspiring. As you say, that doesn’t mean we need to get rid, he has a time and a place, but it needs to be less than it is now. Whether he’d be happy with that I don’t know and would understand if he wants to try and get some games elsewhere.

    Are you saying we need to find a way to remove the players muscles therefore removing the fret (couldn’t resist) of injuring them? It may be tricky but I like it!

    On local coaches, I think it was exactly what was needed back then. There was, well there still is, the whole “cockney mafia” issue floating around and having locals involved kind of helped the transition somewhat, but now I think, as it seems do most fans, that we need to push on. I still think there should be locals involved, but we need some fresh blood and ideas. Doesn’t have to be radical, but some movement towards the unknown would go down well imo.

  • 180 count // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Lukes26 = person with a brain.

  • 181 Mister Tuff // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    OTG @138
    Hold your horses mate – about childish remarks about war. I usually try to keep within the rules of
    the blog -no politics religion etc. However, if someone appears, an introduces World War 111 into
    chat on a football blog -I feel obliged to respond with some form of ridicule/humour to highlight
    how ridiculous the statements are on the blog.
    Equating my comments (presumably about my nuclear bunker newly built in the garden) as being glib
    because of the situation in Afghanistan or death in Northern Ireland -I think is perhaps a stretching things
    a bit too far. Do not take things that seriously for God’s sake.

  • 182 SeanNufc87 // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    howay lads lets not go down this route again, monday we had bomb threats, tuesday we had an all white utopian england… police were supposedly involved. lets have a wednesday for football disscussions eh?

  • 183 wolfshead@toon // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    mr tuff

    sup bredren :-)

  • 184 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Luke…I suppose that depends what issue it is where discussing.

    I didn’t say he had to pay off the whole £140m in one lump sum, I said I would presume he had to pay off an amount, which is perfectly within normal agreements, but likely chose to pay off the whole thing. Seems fairly middle ground to me.

    As for the sustainability point. This is just a theory, but he did try and sell the club before, but couldn’t. Getting things in order could just as easily be in order to attract potential buyers.

    Sean…Hectic mate, Ibiza summer is in full swing :)

    Pretty sure I read that Hernandez was going nowhere recently…mind you, if the manager deems him surplus to requirements then things may change. Certainly a good little player.

    foggon..Logic? Don’t they make keyboards?

  • 185 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    10 arabs would do the job put up 30-40mil each and take it off Mashleys hands

  • 186 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    hi blogger.
    I am shocked at what the post have been today.
    what has shocked me about them is finally some were talking reality especially pawl and billson.
    I have been getting fed up with all the post which just kept repeat excuses for pardew a bad manager linear means disaster Newcastle is big club bla bla bla.

  • 187 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Uh oh…Tuff just said the G word….

    Take cover people.

    Tuff…Any space in that bunker? I’ll bring beer.

  • 188 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    WWYCD

    Ashley wasn’t our “saviour”, he’s a businessman who did what was right for his business. But if it wasn’t for him, the club would be in a much worse state now. With the debt and the club making a loss, relegation would have seen us into administration or selling all of our top players at best.

    Shepherd may not have wanted to sell, but SJH sure as hell did. The money was secured on future revenue from what I understand too, and there was interest applied on that. Fancy taking over a club and finding out that your next 2 years TV revenue was already spent!

    He’s paid the debt off to avoid paying interest and to have the club able to turn a profit. That’s a good thing for the club, therefore a good thing for its owner.

    You say he’s tacked the debt onto the purchase price, my understanding is that if someone bought the club for £300M, that would mean that they have a debt free club and Ashley walks away with the £267M that he’s due and £33M profit.

  • 189 IITianToon // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Just hoping that JK goes with Carr’s opinion!

  • 190 IITianToon // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    1 young pacy winger, 1 clinical striker, 1 backup centre half..
    Any more updates from Holland Torq? Lens/Wijnaldum/Siem De Jong etc?

  • 191 SeanNufc87 // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    bet the weathers not a patch on this lovely damp yet humid and overcast north east?

    I understand wanting to keep hold of a talent like him but surely he must be getting disillusioned with life at trafford? he has seen his standing fall dramatically since the arrival of RVP and has fallen behind welbeck who is younger. if another striker comes in id say he has to go. my mate said man u put him in the window for 12m but whether or not its true i dont know.

  • 192 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    Ibiza

    I think Santon and Debuchy have been bought as attacking full backs to be able to provide crosses. With Marveaux, Goofy and Ben Arfa, there are other options to go out wide too, although I agree they are not the best crossers in the world.

    There’s some brilliant stuff going on all over the sporting world handling muscle injuries. Are you suggesting that our players are too muscley? I haven’t been looking that much… :-)

    We’re in agreement on the coaches too. One advantage that stability at a club brings is the ability to make slight tweaks to improve things. Previously we have lurched from one setup to the next and just occasionally happened across something that worked for a bit.

  • 193 cookiemate // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    Oh my god would you please stop with stories about JFK! seriously it’s old now maybe just forget about it and accept the fact no one can do anything about it. I know it’s a slow news day but seriously…..

  • 194 Mister Tuff // Jun 26, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    Ibiza -afternoon – had to check what you meant by the G word – God – damn broke my own rules about speaking about religion. You are not allowed in the bunker as the the one I built using an Ikea flat pack only has room for me and the missus – find sanctuary elsewhere.
    Wolfhead – afternoon – I think I made a rod for my own back using my poor effort at New York street talk/online slang as I hadn’t a clue what you were talking about. Had to find out using that Urban dictionary site to find the answer.

  • 195 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    Sean….Spot on, this sunshine all day long does get boring :)

    I think the article was Hernandez himself saying he wants to stay at Man U…really not sure. It does seem his playing time will be even more limited. Be interesting to see what Moyes does there, do you mess with a winning formula or will the need to stamp his own mark be the priority?

  • 196 sparky55 // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    cookie…whole heartedly agree…he’s here…he’s not going anywhere any time soon so we may as well give it all a rest and see what he comes up with.

    If he gets in some good players then great
    If he helps push Pardew out the door some time soon then great
    If he can help get us a decent new manager then great
    If he and Carr get get along and are on the same page then great

    until proven otherwise why not give the stupid old fart the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance to prove us all wrong?

  • 197 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    count

    Your language indicates that you’re educated. The way you use it also indicates that you are young. I still believe that you’re a bored student.

    Having sex with yourself doesn’t count.

    This is a football blog for people wanting to get involved with other NUFC fans. It’s especially good for those of us who aren’t in Newcastle to keep our fingers on the pulse. As you can tell by the names of several people on the blog (me included), there are quite a few of us not in Newcastle.

  • 198 sparky55 // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    TDS…you’re just fanning the flames m8…ignore them and they’ll go away

  • 199 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    Tuff…That’s cold. Surely I could squeeze in? I suppose three’s a crowd. Does the Ikea flat pack bunker come with a years supply of tinned meatballs?

    TDS…Santon? Crossing? Really? It’s all well and good having FB’s that can cross*, but the wingers need to be able to as well or our play is just too predictable imo.

    * The jury is still out as to whether either FB can cross.

    No comment on the too muscular remark…can’t see how that will go down well for me :)

    Completely agree that small changes are what is needed. No point in restarting every time something goes wrong imo.

  • 200 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    Sparky…How’s tricks?

    Not really sure what to say, but thought I should point highlight…

    “he’s here…he’s not going anywhere any time soon so we may as well give it all a rest and see what he comes up with.”

    *cough* The same could apply to Pardew *cough*

    Is the response to that going to be we’ve already seen what Pardew has to offer? If so, we’ve seen two sides to Pardews reign, one resulted in a 5th placed finish, the other a 5th from bottom placed finish. Seems to be that next season would be the real indicator.

  • 201 wolfshead@toon // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    mr tuff

    im just having a laugh mate ;-)

  • 202 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Ibiza

    Funny how several people have been campaigning for Santon to be played as a winger, yet I agree, his attacking play is still a little lacking.

    Both full backs have chipped in with a few decent crosses though, and I’d like to see them do more. Debuchy should improve with a pre-season and not having to fight fires. Hopefully both of them can have a bit more freedom down the flanks when we aren’t scrapping for the odd point to stave off relegation.

  • 203 bills-son // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    So … to sum up the views of the majority on here:

    Ashley is a tightfisted unambitious clueless owner hell bent on mid-table mediocrity at best.

    Kinnear is a clueless buffoon who knows nowt about modern day football.

    Pardew is a clueless manager who can’t even put his shoes on the right feet never mind play players in the right postions.

    And – according to sparky55 – the squad is no good and we’ll never sign a good player with the above three in charge.

    We’ll see eh.

  • 204 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    if Ashley is such a money addict their is only one league that a money addict wants and that league is the premier league.
    everyone make mistakes but it is only constant mistakes and nothing ever being positive that make someone bad for sure.

    when posts are calling for Ashley to sell the club it’s easy to come out with positive reason such as we could buy world class players but the negative reason are just as important because rich owners don’t guarantee just ask QPR and selling the club doesn’t even guarantee a rich owner willing to buy just ask the Blackburn fans and when you do force the owner to sell it can cause a total restart like Liverpool.

    it is the very same thing with a manager, pardew might be an average manager but what proof do we have that a player is quality. the facts we do know are France are ranked 18th in the fifa world ranking the best players will be chased by those who are CL regular. England had a very good manager with a very good record but didn’t do very well in the world cup. harry redknapp was very good with spurs but didn’t do anything to help QPR.

    the biggest problem for us fans is basically the media because it is them who always describe a manager bad as soon as a few results go wrong. they are the reason mike only seems to do things negative they never include positives. the media make players get a big name.

  • 205 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    @Toonking look at the players qpr signed

    How much did they pay for za mora?

    Picture car with 60-70 million to spend.

  • 206 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    bills-son

    Nah. That’s just the vocal minority

  • 207 Mister Tuff // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    wolfshead – afternoon -yes I understand that honestly hadn’t a clue as to what “sup bredren” meant until I checked it online. Been trying to introduce a bit of humour but it appears its not to everyones taste.

    Ibiza -yes meatballs are included along with a packed of candles.

  • 208 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    TDS…I am being over critical of our FB’s to be honest. Debuchy is still settling but looks decent. Santon is still really young and is by no means a bad player, just needs to perfect his game and decision making. Given some time and a couple of astute purchases we do, on paper at least, have a fairly decent team.

    Not having to stave off relegation sounds nice.

    Bills….With that post I think Ed can now shut the blog down. We’re all done, nothing to see here lads :)

  • 209 SeanNufc87 // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    thought by the time i finished messing around on the guitar the blog would have imploded again. *looks around shiftily* could this be a turn for the better? *flinches*

  • 210 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Mister…Sounds too good to be true. Two more questions then…was it easy to install and does it work?

    Oh, one more question, I assume that as you get free candles, the bunker isn’t flammable?

    Toonking…I think peoples thoughts are not that Ashley wants us relegated, clearly he wants us in the PL. I think the issue is how far does he actually want us to go? Will he drive us towards honours or just mid-table so he can collect the riches that come with the PL. For the record, I am posing a theory, not my beliefs.

  • 211 89Norcal // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    SeanNufc87
    Just waiting for the next atom bomb to drop from Cashley’s airplane :)

  • 212 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    kevy
    i am not saying they did sign good players but if you read through it all you would be able notice that it therefore backs another point

    QPR didn’t sign decent player although we were desperate for remy ourselves but that prove that rich owners don’t guarantee decent players they can easily be merceneries who just join for the money.
    as for the bit about a decent manager well in our team their is only 2 players very good for sure cabaye and krul.

  • 213 Mister Tuff // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Apparently Eurosport France are reporting we’ve had an 18 million euro bid turned down for Aubameyang, in favour of a 20 million euro bid from Anzhi.

  • 214 SeanNufc87 // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    kevy

    you finish watching that bloke on the tightrope? i was bricking it about half way across.

  • 215 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Ibiza…oh, I agree with you then.

    & agree that Hernandez would be a great acquisition, he’s only just turned 25.

  • 216 MacToon // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    kevymartins, glad to hear you question was asked.

    The “answers” to the questions are to be answered at a later date according to the club and it’s representatives. They had never said they would be answered on the day. I personally think they will be answered by a general statement made by the club in some form or other, whether it be at another meeting or press release etc.

    Out of curiosity, what was your question?

  • 217 SeanNufc87 // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    luke

    my opinion is at 25 he needs to be playing first team on a consistent basis and not wait for the scraps from cup runs. i reckon a cheeky 9m bid and we could get him with assurances of first team football. rather him than bony tbh

  • 218 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    Ibiza
    that post is nothing to do with saying the negatives posts are totally false what it is saying is instead of only using the options that are in favour of him getting out for sure their are things that are why he is good.
    it is easy to look at the past but what we can’t see is what happens in the future until it is too late and so if we get the wrong owner we are certain to go down that is a fact QPR Blackburn leeds rangers hearts.

  • 219 ITUNDERASHELL // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    COUNT is JAYK

    Ignore him or he will continue to enlighten us with his wisdom.

  • 220 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    @Toonking In our team their is only two very good players for sure are you nuts???

    @Sean Thought he was gona fall myself then realized he was just crouching down for a min..Every step of the way thank you lord praise jesus christ :D

  • 221 proudtobageordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Mr Tuff
    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/653129826?-11058:809

  • 222 89Norcal // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    “QPR didn’t sign decent player although we were desperate for remy ourselves but that prove that rich owners don’t guarantee decent players they can easily be merceneries who just join for the money.”

    That’s a good point – smaller but rich clubs like QPR that try to buy high profile players run the risk of losing them fairly easily to bigger clubs in the future. Even though we have more footballing prestige than QPR, we still are not in the Champion’s League or competing for silverware.

  • 223 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    the only problem with Hernandez is that he’s on 80k weekly and his contract runs until 2016…so obviously a non starter.

  • 224 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    @Mactoon As I posted on here before the meeting my question was will we ever upgrade sjp to hold more. I know a silly question but I really wanna know if we will ever have a 63-73k capacity.

    Do you know how hard it is for a irish man to get tickets for scum home? I have never met one.

  • 225 Ibizatoon // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    Luke….Hoorah :)

    Toonking…I hear you. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side comes to mind. It’s all perspectives and opinions. Some view it as it could be much worse, let’s not rock the boat, others think there is so much potential it’s worth the risk of falling further behind to have a chance to push on.

    Neither is wrong.

  • 226 Mister Tuff // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    proud -evening – I checked out that link earlier and have just read the original post on Mercato eurosport – not sure if they are reliable or not. Have you heard anything recent? Link is
    http://mercato.eurosport.fr/football/transferts/2012-2013/pierre-emerick-aubameyang-l-asse-refuse-newcastle_sto3817746/story.shtml

  • 227 SeanNufc87 // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    80k? i cant see that myself, not after they almost refused rooney what was it 120k? and thats rooney.

  • 228 remy D // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Get of you f*****g prick

  • 229 MacToon // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    Ah right kevy, I know we’re trying to push the club to support safe standing areas and believe that would increase capacity to 60,000 ish

  • 230 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2048412/Javier-Hernandez-commits-Manchester-United-penning-improved-year-deal.html

  • 231 one Tony Green // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    Mister Tuff a few sites are saying that an 18 Million euro bid has just been turned down for PEA

  • 232 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    kevy well i should add colo but he is getting on now. as for the rest of the starting 11.
    debuchy sissoko goufran mbiwa hadaira have all come from the French league. how on earth are quality players had only 1 winner and 5 runners up of the champion league if they are so good?

    HBA- he has had fall outs with a lot of managers already. any player can dribble but them who do it for a reason are always going to pass as soon a player is in space and will help the FB’s too what decent players don’t do is show off all the time and stay forward.
    tiote-if he was so good why does he give fouls away so much.
    Jonas- you lot winging every week that he is rubbish.
    cisse why would a good forward be offside all the time.

    also ba showed at the start of the season that decent players will perform very good even with very bad play from those around him.

  • 233 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    & rooney isnt on 120k, he’s on 250k

    thats why manu are trying to offload him to monaco or anyone else sitting on piles and piles of cash

  • 234 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    1winner and 5 runners up CL from their previous league

  • 235 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    even darren bent is on 65k, which is too much to being paying for a 29 yr old with a history of injuries.

    The only way newcastle would even consider signing him is on a free withaston villa paying 1/3 to half his wages for the next two years

  • 236 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    @Toonking so you don’t believe tiote, anita,sissoko,gouffran,cisse,saylor,santon, are good players?

    Also the french players showed they have the quality sissoko played well a few matches scored vs chelsea…Gouffran played well scored/setup a few their only problem was the needed more time to settle in but once they gel we will have a very strong unit.

  • 237 SeanNufc87 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    lukes

    i couldn’t remember what rooney was on, i still dont think he will be on 80k and id be happy to say im wrong if i am but iv seen reports of 20k but hey everything is speculative at this point.

  • 238 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    @Toonking what your saying there doesn’t really make sense so man united shouldn’t have signed rooney because he didn’t win anything at everton?

    Barca shouldn’t have signed fabregas or man u van persie because they didn’t win anything at arsenal?

  • 239 SeanNufc87 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    bent has a lot of weird appearance fees in his contract, thats why villa only played him after 75 minutes as it significantly reduced the cost.

  • 240 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    @kevy
    their only problem was the needed more time to settle in but once they gel we will have a very strong unit.
    so what you are saying then is obatan is a decent player. he has created some chances and hasn’t had much playing time yet as we have two others infront of him.
    also then why should pardew be getting any stick because he is still getting to know these players
    the way you describing the players is as bad as how the England players are described as by most fans it’s as if you expect us to win the league.

  • 241 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    @Toonking did I mention obertan?

    Gouffran/sissoko done more in 1 game that obertan has done in all his time here. He is a flop end off every team has there flops.

    What I was saying is stating that players like gouffran sissoko are not good is wrong and I bet you will see there quality next season.

    You remember colo’s first season? He was awful we got relegated now look at him.

  • 242 archaeomag // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    AP managed Bent at Charlton – that is the basis of the story [started in the Telegraph].

    Stop panicking.

  • 243 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Ibiza

    I always got the impression that Debuchy was signed as an attacking full back and we know Santon is that way inclined too. So I assume that they were signed to play to their strengths rather than sit back and provide an old-school back 4.

    The really good thing about our squad is that there is not one single regular first team player who should be past their peak. Colo should be right at his peak and everyone else shouldn’t have reached theirs yet.

  • 244 lukes26 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Sean, interesting about Bent’s contract, no wonder theyre so desperate to offload..

  • 245 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    well if our players are so good why would man united not be attempting to buy them before us you look their two centre midfielders why would they not bother to come in for tiote as well as cabye if he is so good.

    what i am saying is that decent players will be part of the best teams we are miles behind manunited Chelsea arsenal spurs and city. liverpool and everton are where we are and have a few good players but nothing decent in depth and the only three that are proven premier league class are cabaye who i think had a bad year colo and krul.
    the rest are either useless unproven or not consistant enough.

  • 246 Mister Tuff // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    OTG @230 -I think all the uk sites are basing their reports from the Mercato Eurosport site -but I’m not sure if they are reliable -historically. My only lingering doubt is that for a player like Aubameyang -who appears on the brink of massive fame- that a transfer to Anzhi might not be the best move to further his career. We have had genuine interest historically in this player – as confirmed by Torq and proud -but whether this particular story is true heavens knows.
    One thing is for certain this lad does know how to play.

  • 247 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Reckon we’ll be back in for Fanni. Remember Pardew said that we need a bit more experience in the team. We we’re also linked with Albin Ebondo and Stephane Mbia whilst Kinnear was in charge 4 years ago.

  • 248 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Enrique and colo was awful at thstart and proved us wrong but so was luque xisco boomsong but did they prove us wrong NO.
    when you class a player as quality before they have proved it you are the one talking nonsense.

  • 249 ToonMauritius // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Transfer Central TNC ?@TransferNewsCen 5m
    More from the Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang – the player is reportedly interested in joining PSG who will go in for him soon

  • 250 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    I tell yous what, if we got pea I will be over the moon.but if not would also like Bony to come.
    I am hoping this week is exciting on the transfer front.

  • 251 proudtobageordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    Mr Tuff

    The Pea saga is a mystery as all the talk is coming from his Father(agent) and he is after the massive pay packet for himself and not Pea’s best interest for his career. A move to anzi won’t happen in my opinion as there are better leagues and teams after him. As for a move to SJP i’d love to see it happen but it will be Pea’s choice where he goes not his Father’s.

  • 252 toon kk // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Toonking@244……..I agree, what u say is true.

  • 253 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    pea would rip shit up in the prem I think.

  • 254 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Proud
    Is there anything else coming out of the toon at the moment on the transfer front?

  • 255 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    @Toonking I’m talking nonsense? Really?

    Did you see sissoko/gouffran? they were playing out of position gouffran a striker on the wing and sissoko a cm on the wing and you could still argue if it wasn’t for them we may have went down. Got us some valuable points chelsea/qpr etc. And they played very good sissoko a power house and gouffran has the pace plus sissoko cost us around 2 million forget how much gouff but im sure he was cheap.

  • 256 Rotonda heights // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    I normally get excited at the the prospect of a foreign signing but definitely not 12M for Gignac. If we’ve got allegedly 18M euros for PEA and 12M for Bony why on earth are we looking at this guy?

    It smells of a Pardew signing – big unprolific target man but not the striker like a PEA or Remy who could play left in a front 3 with Benny on the other side of Cisse.

  • 257 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    Think if we went for bent and tomkins it would be a massive backwards step.
    Bent 29 and to king is not good enough imp.

  • 258 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    kevy is pardew a quality manager?

  • 259 proudtobageordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Aidy

    There is no truth in the Bent rumour. I was talking to Bob Moncur last week and he said it was rubbish

  • 260 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    Proud
    Glad to hear that. plus he has played for Sunderland haha.
    Pea would do me.

  • 261 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    @Toonking well Imo the players have the quality but I will tell you now pardrew is not a quality manager and that could make the players look bad as we have seen players out of position he has made cisse look horrendous last season by playing him up front by himself.

  • 262 proudtobageordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Aidy

    Pea is what everyone wants but there are better prospects and projects out there that appeal more than the Circus that Nufc are at the moment unfortunatley

  • 263 Rotonda heights // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    bills-son // Jun 26, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    So … to sum up the views of the majority on here:

    Ashley is a tightfisted, unambitious clueless owner hell bent on mid-table mediocrity at best. I PERSONALLY DON’T THINK SO, BUT HE DOES MAKE POOR STAFF APPOINTMENTS

    Kinnear is a clueless buffoon who knows nowt about modern day football. HOW MUCH KNOWLEDGE AND MODERN OVERSEAS CONTACTS HE HAS IS DEBATABLE

    Pardew is a clueless manager who can’t even put his shoes on the right feet never mind play players in the right postions. SADLY HE WILL NEVER BE A CONSISTENTLY GOOD AND SUCCESSFUL MANAGER. THIS I KNOW TO BE CORRECT

    And – according to sparky55 – the squad is no good and we’ll never sign a good player with the above three in charge. NOT CORRECT, WE HAVE A GREAT SQUAD ALREADY.

  • 264 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Would like to see us sign Bony, Benteke and Remy for £38m and sell Cabaye and Tiote for £40m.

  • 265 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Rotonda
    I would say we have a good squad not great, we still need about 3 top players to come in.

  • 266 JAMSHA // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    new castle to bid 20mil….

  • 267 Rotonda heights // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    Toonking

    He mainly gets stick for his negative hoof ball tactics when he’s seen the evidence of a better way, ie 433 with players in the right positions.

    Taking more than half a season to realise Ba and Cisse were never going to work in a 442 or with Cisse out wide suggests he’s not the swiftest with a plan B when things aren’t working. I don’t know if he ever did tumble to it as Ba got sold.

  • 268 Rotonda heights // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    aidy

    true but to say we’ll never buy a good player seems a bit OTT.

  • 269 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    well that prove fully that you talk nonsense

    pardew had a very good first full season but does that make him a decent manager NO, yet after just a COUPLE of very good games you think that a player is superb.

    you think anita just needs more time but is already quality but you don’t class obatan as quality when they both have played very few games.
    that is talking utter nonsense.

    what i do is use the long term about my opinions.

    why have we never won a cup for year. if they are so decent why did these players not make ajustments of their own to get the goal ba managed to do it so why didn’t the rest.

  • 270 proudtobageordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    Rotonnda

    Do you not think we allready have a perfect winger in Santon. He can play either side?

  • 271 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    Rotonda
    Agree with you there as we will sign good players.

  • 272 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    @Toonking I talk nonsense by coming onto a nufcblog and defending our players by saying they have quality catch yourself on. That’s just negative man…Why do you even support nufc if you think we only have 2 good players in the squad…You may think im delusional but I may think your just a nut job…I bet 90% of the blog would be against you and agree that there is alot more quality players than (2) in our squad.

  • 273 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    Proud
    Would love a natural left footer on the wing but santon would be good cover and in a couple of years we will be a top player and regular in Italy team.

  • 274 proudtobageordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    If Ashley intends to sell the club next summer as media repoorts suggest surely he has to invest big this summer to improve the squad to make Nufc a better investment for any future suitors?

  • 275 proudtobageordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Aidy

    Imo Santon has the potential to be as good as Bale

  • 276 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    Proud
    Agree he will become a top player and I hope he can be as good as bale.plus he is still very young and learning his trade.

  • 277 Unbelievable Tekkers // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    Proud – Santon will never be as a good as Bale

  • 278 Bambams // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    I would be surprised if Ashley buys three pairs of hinges for the old gates yet alone some decent players.

    I am a pessimist I know….. Just fed up with how our great club had fallen so far back under the current regime.

    We all work hard and our club is the lung of the City and we have a management team that I would not have manage a ‘ Cows arse licking company ‘.

    Hopefully after I press send here Ed will post ‘ Toon sign PEA and Ince in Double Swoop ‘…..

    Ashley if you dont want our club then let someone else take it on that ‘ WANTS TO ‘….We can hope.

    Imo

  • 279 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    kevy
    you might not agree but you are part of the list that billson has described.

    the one who are most like to agree are those who talk real sense themselves such as pawl and bill son. the length most our posts are prove that we go into real detail on just 1 thing.
    you but just think of quick words such as hoofball and add that into a sentence you should get a job for the press.

  • 280 proudtobageordie // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Tekkers

    I said Potential mate, he has the abillity and still young. You can never say never

  • 281 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    @Toonking you are talking out your arse

    Ba didn’t adjust to get goals if you can remember after pardrew put him on the wing and played cisse up front he stopped scoring and ifact pardrew was coming out and saying he really wants ba to score again.

    And everyone knows previous stats prove pardrew has been 1-2 season wonders at other clubs. He doesn’t have a clue he plays players out of position and we didn’t score from a corner last season so don’t you think it was his job to work on set pieces? tactics etc?

    I’m away to watch brazil match you clearly know nothing about newcastle united.

  • 282 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    @Toonking how many times did I mention hoofball? ah yea thats my first..Go ahead and underestimate our team …SMB.. It means sad mackem b@stard

  • 283 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    Bambams

    Hahahahaha. Our club has fallen so far back under Ashley?

    We qualified for Europe for the first time since SBR, we are finally able to pay for things without going into debt, we have stopped recruiting “has-beens” and “never will bes” on stupid wages.

    You’ve got a short memory if you don’t recall where we were before Ashley took over…

  • 284 low fell mag // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Have to agree with Kevvy martins that toonking is talking Pants .
    We have some great players and cannot wait for the season to start.
    Hopefully Pardew has learned his lesson beacause once these lads are played in their true positions,and we add a few quality players we will storm up that league.
    Cannot Wait.

  • 285 Unbelievable Tekkers // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Proud – I really like Santon and think he’s got a lot of potential. However, Bale is only 18 months older and Santon hasnt shown anywhere near the standard of performances that Bale has. Bale scored over 10 goals in the previous 2 seasons when he was Santons age.

  • 286 toon kk // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    We have some talented players in our squad. Whether they would get into A top Four side is debatable, I don’t think so. But we should be mid table, our pace or should I say lack of lets us down. One of the reasons Pardew chooses to play hoof ball.

  • 287 yo-yo // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Rotonda

    I think Pards has done a recent interview where he said ideally he wanted to play 4-3-3 – can’t recall where though. Personally I think last season’s 4231 or whatever it morphed into, was a desperate measure as we did not have the players available for a 4-3-3 a lot of the time.

  • 288 niafron // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    Bonsoir messieurs.

    What to say first?

    Well, for those who read some of my post here, you know how i tend to be generaly balanced in my comments.

    But honnestly, the only way to describe the situation of the club now is: a total mess.

    As i m a kind of french specialist here, i supose i got to speak my opinion about this “Pizza Hut” Gignac story.

    In one word: No!

  • 289 niafron // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    And really hope it s a decoy…

  • 290 Bambams // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    @toondarnsarf

    We all have our opinions fella, I for one have not enjoyed how our club has been run, the football we have played under Ash and Pards or how the immediate future looks.

    Maybe how Ash has the finances I should applaud, we still owe him massively but seemingly its a good loan according to those who know better than me. Its after last season and the circus that is happening now. If we had bought last summer after finishing fifth….. Now look where we are, we were so close to relegation. That’s what I meant by falling back.

    Had a bad day and had hoped for some good news on here and maybe I was a little bit over the top.

    Time will tell.

  • 291 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    kevy
    if you dislike my comments and keep going against what ever i am saying then just don’t bother with me please.
    it is people like Ibiza who i want to chat with because although he is against it he explains his reason and i can explain back and avoid arguments.
    i have already seen toonKK 251 and norcal 222 both like my point only guyes like you are never agreed with me.

  • 292 toonking // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    toonKK 285
    i agree with what you said their i was always saying no decent creativy from cross was fully why hoofball is done but when i saw that i noticed that speed too is just as much of a problem our fastest player is obatan and he is not a starter for sure.

    we should get a fast player a decent crosser of the ball and a powerful forward or better still a fast wing who does decent crosses and powerful and fast forward.

  • 293 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Would any of you fellow blogers start with saylor this season?
    I for one wouldn’t. Mapou and colo for me.
    Would also like sakho to come in also.

  • 294 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Imp we are 3 top players away from pushing challenging the top 6 and maybe sneaking into a champs league spot.

  • 295 toon kk // Jun 26, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    What amazes me most about our squad we are capable of good performances sometimes very good. But for what ever reason we just don’t seem to bother turning up, we have no go or motivation, no one seems to know what there job is. It’s an attitude we can’t beat them so why bother trying. Might be fitness? But it needs sorting.

  • 296 niafron // Jun 26, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    aidytoon

    Don t think it s about the player. Get your 3 top guy, it would not be better. Well, let s say a little better…

    But not much.

    The problem now is simple: no one in the club care about the way we play.
    There s no gam project.

    For Pard, this is only about mind and physics.

    Ashley is only interested by the best way to run is compagny.

    Llambias is gone.

    Carr, well… no one care! (i mean in the club and about what he got to say).

    And Kinnear… Well, he still have to learn the name of the players, then, maybe will he talk about play.

  • 297 PMartel // Jun 26, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    Evening all,

    Long time reader of the blog but posting for the first time.

    I’m not sure if it’s already been mentioned but Nufc.com are reporting on the recent striker rumour; suggesting we’ve been in excess of £10 million for a target.

    Unusual for .com to comment on speculation unless there’s some truth in it.

    Could we be in for some good news at last?

  • 298 HullMag6 // Jun 26, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    If pea went to PSG how about trying to get if they’re still there gamerio and menez?

  • 299 HullMag6 // Jun 26, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Even though its alleged that socks prefers cam I think he’s better box to box. Last seasons favourite moment is socks ripping up Ashley Cole.

  • 300 jimmysmith // Jun 26, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    I have just woken breathlessly and alarmed from sweet dreams where Newcastle Utd were punching their weight, having a dip, playing adventurous football in our magnificent Wonga free black and white kit in our splendid and iconic stadium while our genuinely decent billionaire owner looked proudly down upon all his largesse………until he quickly started morphing in Uncle f@cken Scrooge McDuck waking me in a fright, and, well, you know the rest.

  • 301 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    Crystal Palace have submitted a bid for Gabriel Obertan #NUFC #CPFC

  • 302 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    Transfer News Daily ?@Transfer24_7
    #NUFC have started work in this window and bids are coming out. Bid of £5m rejected earlier this week for James Tomkins. #NUFC

  • 303 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    Sazzer
    That’s good news, hope he goes.

  • 304 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    Transfer News Daily ?@Transfer24_7
    Simpson having a medical at #QPR

  • 305 aidytoon9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    Hope we don’t get tomkins, he is pants imp.

  • 306 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    Same source:
    Transfer News Daily ?@Transfer24_7
    #NUFC have submitted a bid for a striker at around £10m. Source tells us it’s not Aubameyang and the club have moved on to other targets

  • 307 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Now what have I missed in this thread?

    Swansea outprice by us on PEA, but we outprice but Anzhi another rumour I see.

  • 308 SeanNufc87 // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Really sazzer? Source? I hope its true as I thought we might struggle to offload him

  • 309 christoon5369 // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    is that mclovin from superbad sat below joke in the picture?

  • 310 Thump // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    @SeanNufc87: It’s from this lad – https://twitter.com/Transfer24_7

    Seriously hope the Tomkins rumour is bs. Crap player.

  • 311 jimmysmith // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Where did this notion that Ashley did not do due diligence come from?Is there any concrete evidence to support this view?

    I think it is more likely, based on what weve seen since, that he knew exactly what he was doing and how much he was prepared to pay and the due diligence ruse allows him to better justify his ongoing fiscal prudence.

  • 312 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    Classic rumour that Ancelotti wants Ibra at Real Madrid. If Blanc wants PEA they might get involved then. Also recent news say they have been involved in the negotiations. This might ease the situation on Gamerio and Menez.

  • 313 Thump // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    @jimmysmith: Regarding the buying of the club? He didn’t. If he did due diligence he’d have lodged a formal bid and looked over the books and made a decision based on that. Instead he bought out the shareholders and inherited the debt that had been accrued by Shepherd and co. Whether that was the price he was willing to pay or not is another matter entirely. Either way, it boils down to due diligence and, in truth, a very poor business decision.

  • 314 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    I’m not sure about source new to me, but it started to tweet a lot of NUFC news all of sudden like the had break through of sort. Previous record looks decent. I few things that didn’t go through. So it’s speculative.

  • 315 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    Same “source” as the rest on Obertan.

  • 316 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    Soccer Sauce ?@soccer_sauce
    Newcastle defender Mike Williamson in negotiations with Cardiff City #NUFC #CCFC

  • 317 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    For you Kets
    Sulejmani has signed for Benfica.

  • 318 jimmysmith // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    Thump, isn’t it possible, probable or even true that he may well have been aware of the debt before he bought the club regardless of whether a formal due diligence was carried out and that therefore he knew what he was getting into and felt a due diligence was not necessary.

    I find it incredibly hard to believe that he would make such a fundamental mistake as to fail to notice a 120 million pound black hole and that he thought he was getting NUFC debt free for 130 million quid.

  • 319 Fridge // Jun 26, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    Sazzer

    I appreciate your info. Keep up the good work. Hopefully we will make a signing sooner rather than later!

  • 320 Elmanio // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    jimmysmith

    If you look through MA business aquisitions they are littered with mistakes and misjudgements but that is his nature as a gambler. He will bet millions on buying stakes in businesses – some will fail some will fly.

    His purchase of Nufc was based purely on his ability to sell it on – a deal which was already in place but then came the 07/08 credit cunch.

    The rest as they say is history

  • 321 jimmysmith // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Elmanio, you’ll forgive me if I don’t take your word for it.

  • 322 sparky55 // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Rotonda…just for the record…I never said we had a crap squad…I think we have a very good squad and have always said that…it’s just Bill-sons interpretation of something I said earlier today and he hasn’t been able to let it go…I think he fancies me! :-)

  • 323 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    Douglas said good bye earlier today to Twente. Nothing about his destination. He’s free man on 1 st July. Steve McClaren is said to have advise us not to get him. We will see what happens.

  • 324 G // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    Heard some great rumors today, some via word of mouth, some off the blog, some of the footy forums. Cant see too many of them coming off, however, there are a few (PEA for instance) that would be bloody fantastic. If some of the rumor mongers are accurate, we should be in for a treat come Monday lunchtime, and the inevitable press-conference (Well, here’s hoping anyway!)

  • 325 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    Yeah with so many rumours at the same time, it looks like they working on deals now at least. Liverpool and Sunderland have been active for weeks.

    Though it could be that the summer replacements are more productive.

  • 326 sparky55 // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    Ibiza if you’re still awake…this blog always requires some semblance of balance…you are the ying to my yang…every argument needs a counter argument…I would still like to see him walk asap…I’ve lost all faith in him and I strongly believe we will struggle to attract top players when he’s in charge playing football they way we did last year…it’s time for change IMO

    Re JFK…give the giffer a chance…you never know (cough cough) :-)

  • 327 pizzicatochan // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    I believe there will be a few Wigan/Reading/QPR lining up in front of the Magpies’ medical room.

  • 328 jimmysmith // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    Sparky, nice try, but I’m afraid Bills is the Ying to your Yang, and Ibiza, if anything, the long suffering, ever forgiving mother figure to both of you and countless others.

  • 329 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    G
    Time for sleep. Interesting to which of these late night rumours will take hold in few days to come. You don’t have to be genius to make them up though.

  • 330 Joe Blog // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    300+ comments. I was expecting to see Insular Sociololgy by Jayk – Volume ii.

    But nope, same old humdrum ‘debates’.

  • 331 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    Transfer News Daily ?@Transfer24_7
    Mike Williamson looks like he’s going to re-unite with his ex boss McKay at Cardiff. #CCFC #NUFC

    Transfer News Daily ?@Transfer24_7
    Alan Pardew is also desperate to sign Darren Bent despite him not fitting within the #NUFC transfer blueprint

  • 332 pizzicatochan // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    @Sazzer, I don’t think Bent is coming in for 10m… JFK wouldn’t allow it.

  • 333 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Transfer Source ?@EPL__Source
    Newcastle have bid £5m for Bent. Villa want around £6-7m. Bent needs to drop his wage demands to join

  • 334 jimmysmith // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    I thought Jayk argued his corner very well against an absolute onslaught of largely reactionary abuse, bit of a ropey old corner to want to defend though.

  • 335 pizzicatochan // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    @Sazzer, so who’s that 10m striker we are after? Gag-nick? Gignac.

    Please don’t mind Jayk. He’s just seeking attention.

  • 336 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    No name. I hope it’s not Gignac.

  • 337 sparky55 // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    jinky…not the best thought for me to take to my bed…so I’ll stay up a bit longer listening to a bit of me favorite ever band…Fashion…on youtube…can’t beat a bit of 80′s nostalgia!

  • 338 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    @Toonking I respect your opinion but don’t go saying you talk nonsense when your the 1 talking complete bs

  • 339 pizzicatochan // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    I have the Guivarc’h-phobia.

  • 340 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    Yeah, he signed ages ago. Would’ve been a good signing for us on a free.

  • 341 Sazzer // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    I miss it then.

  • 342 kevymartins // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    Everyone signing players but us ..I see tevez is away and arsenal are very close to higuane .

  • 343 pizzicatochan // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    Any French forward, to me, would be just like Guivarc’h, or at least I am afraid of that. None of our French players is a FW (don’t count HBA).

    With that fear, I don’t want to see Gignac signed.

  • 344 Ben_BKK // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    A Brummy friend of mine has posted a status about Nathan Redmond leaving for £3m, though I’m not sure who to. I’d love if it was us!

  • 345 pizzicatochan // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    Nathan Redmond would be good, too good to be true though.

  • 346 Newcastle Brown Alien // Jun 26, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    pizzicatochan, Gouffran sort of is, or at least can play there

  • 347 kevymartins // Jun 27, 2013 at 12:02 AM

    Anyone know where I can get the newcastle united 1000 goals film or 2012/2013 review /download?

    Stoped buying dvds when I got a tb hard drive.

  • 348 pizzicatochan // Jun 27, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    @Newcastle Brown Alien, yea, but Gouffran should actually be one of the forwards. It’s really a waste of his scoring ability (assuming 4-4-2 hoofball). Of course he’s gonna be lethal for 4-3-3 on ground, but I don’t know if AP would play that.

  • 349 kevymartins // Jun 27, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    And for gignac (hell no) I would take that £££ and put it in for someone with real goood quality like isgine

  • 350 Ibizatoon // Jun 27, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    Sparky….Talk about timing aye?

    The blog is all about opinions and thankfully differing ones….just imagine the boredom if we all agreed.

    I’m not going to argue, it’s clear for all to see there are better managers out there than Pardew, I don’t however think he is as bad as some do and feel he can do a job, a job that I don’t think we should be getting excited about getting a better man for anytime soon.

    Let’s hope, whether by luck or planning (you have to smile), they manage to give us a break and a good season…we all deserve it.

    *Cough* Must shake this cold.

  • 351 Back Door Man // Jun 27, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    No Toon news in the newspapers to consume with my coffee and croissants this morning so I stumbled into this place. Oh dear, my life isn’t long enough to go through all this stuff so I’ll only ever look at the last couple of posts … mind, it would be helpful if the lastest ones could appear at the top (maybe they can … can this be set-up?).

    The bottom line is if there are sufficient decent players then a manager effectively becomes redundant; decent players know how to play but managers usually conspire to undermine this effect. We’re all obsessed with the Cult of the Manager … it’s all cock!




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