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We’ll Soon Know What Pardew Thinks Of Kinnear Appointment

10:06 am, Sunday, June 30th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 51 Comments

Alan Pardew has been extremely quiet this summer, and it seems he’s usually back in Newcastle before now, to prepare for pre-season training, and we wonder why he’s been so quiet this summer.

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Joe Kinnear – now exactly a unifying force

Of course it’s very important for players and coaches to get away from it all during the summer, and most of them take off on holiday a couple of days after the last league game of the season, because once they come back, it’s a long and hard grind through May next year – especially for managers.

Pardew was told at his meeting with Mike Ashley a few days after the season ended in May, that the owner was thinking of bringing in a new Director of Football, but at that time Joe Kinnear’s name was not mentioned.

So to have a character like Kinnear, who is hardly a unifying force, move into the club, and then have to report to him, after having a good relationship with Derek LLambias, could be hard to take for Alan Pardew.

And it was completely obvious that Kinnear’s appointment took Alan and others at the club completely by surprise (thanks Mike), and of course Derek LLambias resigned in protest a day after Joe’s formal announcement.

Joe did that stupid interview for talkSPORT before the official announcement, and since then has tried to blame talkSPORT for not asking him about the old times with Bobby Gould – but did Joe really believe that’s why he had been invited onto talkSPORT?

The interview rightly enraged Newcastle fans, as Joe simply showed himself up – but since he was now representing Newcastle, he showed to club up too.

So it was probably best that Alan Pardew kept a low profile, once Kinnear was announced and Alan said only a few words – that he was going toi take Newcastle back up the league table.

We should all know more once Pardew lands on Tyneside – probably tomorrow – and listen to what he has to say about things this week.

Alan’s never talked about Joe Kinnear – but for the good of our club we hope there’s harmony between Kinnear, Pardew and Graham Carr – the transfer threesome.

We cannot afford to have another blow-up between manager and Director of Football – which happened five years ago between Kevin Keegan and Dennis Wise, and ended up in the club being relegated for the first time from the Premier League.

We think Joe Kinnear’s appointment is almost the worst possible – but that’s the way it is – and we’ll just have to hope that Joe can do some good for the club.

After all, that’s what his job is.

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51 responses so far ↓

  • 1 wingspan // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    What people have got to remember is tho teams around us are strengthening they will need to do that to even come close to sticking with us next season.

    Villa, Sunderland, Norwich etc, apart from Benteke i cant think of a single player in there best starting 11 that would get into our starting 11.
    Some of them wouldnt even make the bench!!

    That being said them teams shouldnt be our marker anymore and its sad that we are worrying that they are strengthening, were better than that. 3 quality signings mplease Mr Ashley and lets make a run at the top 6 this season. I would really ike Siem de Jong to be one of them, class act.

  • 2 John Tudor // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    no confidence

  • 3 toon22 // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    Its the smartest thing AP has done since he joined the club.He shouldnt ever give an interview about JK.Its his job to talk about the team and he should stick to it,the media isnt going to like it but thats not his problem.For once we need to not let the media twist the club into yet another story by leading our staff into saying what they want them too.
    As for players coming in so long as we get at least 1 striker and a left winger we will be ok.

  • 4 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:19 AM

    TDS
    The top 6 are the only ones spending??
    I’m sorry you seem to be confusing the issue of strengthening and spending mega bucks, your the only person to mention mega bucks
    Sunderland, Norwich, West Ham, Swansea, Aston Villa, Liverpool all strengthening before the window opens, all realistic rivals
    This is why we COULD struggle to hit top 10 if once again we stand still in a window

    None of these clubs are naive enough to think they can just keep ticking over and are prepared to spend if needed rather than wait and wait then panic buy like a housewife in tesco during a storm warning

    No one is calling for signings like messi or ronaldo but to strengthen adequately and early as not to make the same balls up as last season, something the club Apparantly also wanted to avoid but some how seem to be doing a spectacular job of trying to outdo the balls up of last season

  • 5 John Tudor // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:19 AM

    to be injured badly long term

  • 6 John Tudor // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    better contingency plans required hey it is nufc

  • 7 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    JfA

    I haven’t seen the facts but I could believe that. Spurs have since had consistent high finishes and it’s allowed them to grow as a business. We had a disjointed squad with loads of debt that caused us to get relegated and then have to rebuild.

    Look at the clubs that have grown organically. Utd, Spurs and Arsenal had a model and it took time.

  • 8 John Tudor // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    and another keeper

  • 9 John Tudor // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    or we play with a rush goalie

  • 10 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    TADS

    I’m including Liverpool in that top 6. As for the others, with our January signings getting a pre-season under their belt, I believe we have a better squad than that lot already. I’d rather have a couple of top signings to strengthen rather than several.

    And as I’ve pointed out before, many of those clubs lined up their transfers months ago. There are two reasons we haven’t:
    1 – we brought forward at least 3 transfers to January
    2 – we didn’t know what league we would be in until fairly recently

  • 11 John Tudor // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    krul fails to make start elliot long term injury first game krul rushed back breaks down (we are in the deep doodoo

  • 12 wingspan // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    I agree, Top striker to help out Pappis and a top winger to go straight into the starting 11 and we will be fine. PEA (im gonna jump on the bandwagon here never seen him play but if dortmund want him he must be good) and De jong get my votes, both can play different roles too.

    Apart from that i think our current squad is capable of top 10 easy, If we can upgrade some of our squad players ie obertan and gosling then that would be great too but i dont expect that to happen to be honest.

  • 13 colwell // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    I.d take Ricky van Wolfswinkel from Norwich, and Redmond when he goes there or Swansea.

    Our team is good when they are all fit but No where near as good as some people think. Cabaye turns up every now and then Tiote becomes the oppositions best player, Santon plays everyone onside all the time, HBA is either Messi or like Tiote becomes the oppositions best player.

    Your only as good as your last game/season and that wasn’t very good was it. With MA ruling the Roost we have been in the top 6 once, and the rest have been in the bottom half. That too me suggest a fluke season.

    Possibly a restructure of the club will work but we all know the wrong guys are in charge aswell.

  • 14 bills-son // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Ed – as others have pointed out sticking up multiple new posts one after the other isn’t helping discussion on the blog.

    Its a real pain in the ars writing a reply only to find when you post it that you have stuck another post in the meantime. Can you not give a least a couple of hours between posts unless some big news comes out?

  • 15 Rotonda heights // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:29 AM

    Imagine M’Biwa and Zouma and then the nightmare reality of Saylor and Tomkins!!

    Online guy,

    Re-our coaches. if they are so great why do we never see any 1-2′s, triangles, overlapping, players going beyond the man with the ball and general ”pass and move” football.

    Why do we only see hoof ball and the most static team you’ll ever see?

    Soundoid

    It doesn’t seem to affect other teams having 2 matches a week. I suspect our fitness levels are awful and its not just about the standard of the players. How many games has Oscar played this season?

    Wouldn’t it make more sense for Pardew to learn some French, but then again the less the players listen to him and his dinosaur tactics the better.

    Any more on this twitter takeover talk? Amazing if Elmanio really had got it right.

  • 16 wingspan // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Also i would love Shane Long too, cracking little player and gives his all every game we missed out there when he went to west brom for just 5mil

  • 17 John Tudor // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    i thought pardew spoke in chinese to the players

  • 18 dantoon85 // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    I hope this takeover is true. Please let it be true bring Keegan back and with the squad we have we can once again become the entertainers on the pitch not in the tabloids

  • 19 Krul Blow // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Colwell – How are we going to take RVW from Norwich!? They’ve only just signed him!

  • 20 wingspan // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    Sorry to go off topic but one other gripe i have from reading this blog is every has MYM in there preferred starting 11 over Saylor. Why? Ok hes looked good in parts but hes also not looked that great in parts, gave the ball away a fair bit last season.

    Saylor gets the nod for me all day. Solid player, plays with pride, got the club at heart, lots of prem experience, forms a good partnership with Colo and the kid is literally willing to take a shot to the knackers for the team.

  • 21 John Tudor // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    takeover more like a takeaway

  • 22 bills-son // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    Rotunda – the reason why we are static is simple – there is a total lack of genuine pace right throughout the team.

    You can’t coach pace into a player.

  • 23 dantoon85 // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    At this rate we will prob end up signing Alan smith lee bowyer and Kieron dyer

  • 24 Krul Blow // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    wingspan – i like MYM but have to agree with you. Saylor has the fight in him and the pride that is sadly lacking in most of our recent transfers. They have more skill than Saylor but lack the pride.

    If we could just find the perfect combo of both…

  • 25 Krul Blow // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    Like Andy Carroll…?

  • 26 bills-son // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    On pace – Obertan in his few games last season especially in the Europa totally changed our normal style of play by running behind defenders and creating space. If he could only cross a ball or pick a pass he’d be worth £10M.

  • 27 colwell // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Krul Blow

    That was a response to the first post saying none of the other teams around us have bought players to get in our team.

  • 28 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    TDS
    You think villa and Sunderland knew what league they would be in?

    There is no excuse at all for not having targets lined up, that is absolute BS!
    And you may well count Liverpool as top 6 but if you have us top 8 that still makes them a rival

    As for the quality of some of the signings, does it matter how they stack up to our players? I don’t believe that was the point at all, it’s that all these clubs have identified there weaknesses, they our strengthening, and are doing it efficiently

    We are an absolute circus, so what we bought a couple of lads who would of been freebies in the summer forward to jan, guess what they should of been signed the summer before, that’s not planning that’s penny pinching and blagging ffs!

    We desperately need players, we have one experienced RB, for the season, we have no width, one CF and a CF who’s used as winger and no creativity in midfield and we have made zero strides in the market, whilst appointing a stand up act/ Apparent DOF with verbal diarrhoea and a last minute pre season tour, I’m sure Gateshead will really gel the team!

    Yeah not holding my breath for a great summer or season

  • 29 HullMag6 // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    How about this – wouldn’t it be good if the shopping is done and were just waiting for the window.So called target meetings are actually meetings to check all signings are still ok and reinforcing the need for secrecy until July 1st.I can dream……

    Sorry to repost but between work and Ed I got left two articles back.

    I think Pards might be ok with it all if he gets the right players for the right tactics. .

  • 30 colwell // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    MYM looked awesome when he played at LB got forward well also. Out of MYM,Santon and Haidara he is the best at defending and after conceding near on the most goals in the prem last year maybe he should stick there.

  • 31 wingspan // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Krul – Pride and the will to grind it out goes a long way in this league and you are correct we need more of it.

    Watching the capitulation against liverpool last season was embarrasing and i found myself thinkin even tho weve upgraded to players with greater technical abilities i was wishing we had a Nolan or a barton on the pitch to dish out some rollickings

  • 32 bills-son // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    On pace – the way Routledge played last season effectively swopping him for Obertan was a big mistake.

  • 33 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Wingspan
    Of course he didn’t look great he was thrown into a rag tag CB pairing with no time to gel and expected to what lead our defence?

    Taylor is the biggest liability in the club, he’s slow both in pace and reaction, he’s out of shape, his so called passion is nothing more than hot headed stupidity which has landed us in the sh1t time and time again, as for his partnership with colo there the worst paired at the club, Christ willo and colo were a more solid pairing than Taylor and colo

    Why would anyone plan a season with an overweight injury prone average CB as there main stay in defence???

  • 34 ToonDarnSarf // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    TADS

    No creativity in midfield? What about Cabaye and Ben Arfa? They had poor seasons last time with injuries and form, but the season before they were very good.

    Our wage bill is also at the high end now, you can’t discount that cost.

    I don’t think we need the number of signings that Villa or Dunderland are making. And it wouldn’t surprise me if many of those signings were lines up from January.

    We just need a couple of quality forward signings, replace any purples that leave with the equivalent and replace some fringe players with more promising players. I’d rather we take our time than rush for the wrong target.

  • 35 SeanNufc87 // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Morning lads, any news so far? Windows tomorrow, anyone excited or everyone pessimistic? Maybe reserving judgement?

  • 36 John Tudor // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    bill-son the guys in charge didnt think it was wrong

  • 37 bzak12 // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    I see in press WBA are after taking Demba Ba on a season long lone. Why cant we try for him?

  • 38 terencelim // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    @ToonDarnSarf, keep licking Ashley’s axx as you like but learn the fact that we got relegated not because of debt.

  • 39 HullMag6 // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Oh ps

    Our football on this country is suffering from almost a culture/grass roots problem.

    Not enough enthusiasm drive and dedication.

    Most just want an easy life and paaaartayy you know what I mean innit.

    That’s why youngsters seem to be shocking, they lack application, its a generalisation I bet there are a few good ones out there.

    Uncompetitive school sports days dont help.

  • 40 wingspan // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    MYM i agree he was thrown in at the deep end so i cant be too critical of him and he got better the more games he had for sure. But I just like the idea of having an honest center back thats willing to put his body on the line for the club in my starting 11, his injury record is a concern for sure but average center back is really harsh.

    And MYM has openly come out and said he wants to play for Man u so we are a stepping stone for him, thats fine but he isnt gonna be as committed as Saylor is he, no way.

  • 41 SeanNufc87 // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Hullmag

    Participation medals for all! I hate how soft everyone is now.

  • 42 Bambams // Jun 30, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    I like Cisse. I think he is an instinctive striker, a half chance marksman. He is not going to beat two or three defenders during a dribble and meg the keeper.

    With him upfront alongside a pacey striker who would create space for him I could see us doing well. With Cabs (if he stays ) just behind hovering around the edge of the box.

    I suppose I am set in my ways and just prefer two strikers who know each others strengths.

    I like Goufran and think Marv is so much better than he has shown. How long can we play with just one striker up front alone who really cannot hold the ball up til others arrive.

    I am no football expert…. but last season was not as good as the season before when Ba and Cisse played up front.

    Imo

  • 43 Black and White with an army lol // Jun 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    iv’e got a feeling MA ain’t gonna spend this transfer window unless Cabaye & Cisse are sold on and we bring in Bent & Spearing to replace them, and to look at things it doesn’t seem that Jonas & obertan are leaving any time soon so there’s our wingers :( i also think Willo will stay to give Street a battle for 4th choice defender, Shola also will sign a new contract in spite of him wanting first team but you know AP though once Cisse is sold and the Bent deal doesn’t come through ( i hope ) Shola will be first choice with young Campbell as 2nd

    hope this doesn’t happen but having a billionaire chairmen who can’t afford a simple 15 million for top players with a massive sell on fee a few years from now and would rather sign English rejects and with AP a the helm who knows what disaster will happen this season

  • 44 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 30, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    TDS
    Christ man that’s the point we shouldn’t be rushing, we should have our targets lined up deals good as done and ready to sign devote the window even opens, we will be rushing now as we have bought in a DOF 3 months to late who’s had no comms previously with Carr or pardew and we back to square one, Christ almighty
    You don’t think we need any cover now that harps has gone? Simmo?
    Benny and cabaye creative? What? Have you seem there stats? When has cabs ever been used in a creative role?
    Benny? You think he’s not going to get knocks this season so it’s not worth bringing in competition?
    And what is exactly is the ‘end’ of our wage bill?
    Other clubs, throughout the league not just the top 6, seem to be flexible

    If its at the top end then you do what most clubs do, ship out the dead weight and reinvest it ffs, that’s all planning that should of been worked on months ago so that when the season finished the club weren’t standing still with there thumbs up there ars3′s

  • 45 Tommyy // Jun 30, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Lets face it, the fundamentals at Newcastle are all poor. It’s not a case of ‘sign 2 players and we’re golden’. It goes far deeper than that.

    - We’ve one of the smallest and least talented coaching staff in the league.

    - We’ve a tactically and technically inept manager.

    - We’ve the worst injury record on a consistent basis (which automatically voids the prospects of a fully fit team which we all envisage before the season starts as performing well).

    - We’ve the worst Dirctor of Football in the League.

    - We’ve probably got the least ambitious owner in the league (Wealth to Ambition ratio certainly have).

    - We’ve got an unsettled fan base and possibly unsettled structure.

    - we’ve got one of the weakest academies in the league.

    Compare those issues to all of the other clubs around us and it doesn’t look good and I cannot see where the optimism comes from. Bar one lucky season (injuries were ok, teams were in limbo) we’ve been poor every single season under Ashley. Why do we think it’ll change when history dictates it will not? Yea we might have another lucky season where things go our way but I can’t see it happening, teams are just too strong this year.

    We need a fully stocked coaching team with tactically and technically sound coaching to suit the players. We need stability in the boardroom. We need more investment all over (including players, coaches, youth facilities) we need communication and we need professionalism.

  • 46 Black and White with an army lol // Jun 30, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Tommyy

    well said mate

  • 47 Rotonda heights // Jun 30, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Bills son,

    No, But you can coach movement

  • 48 wynsleap // Jun 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    I don’t know why everyone is getting so worked up about transfers – it’s obvious Ashley doesn’t give a stuff about next season. If we do buy it’s because we are going to use the money brought in from the sales of Cabaye and Tiote.
    So no real investment there – again.
    Just more of the same s**t I’m afraid and we are all just sitting here blindly accepting it.

  • 49 HullMag6 // Jun 30, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Ashley unlike whelan os running our club like a pure business so the books must balance but not the llambias style penny pinching. He has NO emotional attachment so he isn’t going tp be swayed by our emotional outpourings.

    He only got wound up at the end of the season because we we’re so close to losing some serious income had we gone down. He will invest – he has to, to ensure that we get back up to top half minimum because the higher you are the more money you get winnings endorsements sponsorship etc.

  • 50 lesh // Jun 30, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Take over talk? What’s this about?

    I wonder, could a potential buyer have employed JFK as a consultant to undertake due diligence? After all, PWC or some other’d raise eyebrows and speculation. A cunning plan to keep things quiet?

  • 51 toonluvva // Jun 30, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    If JoKe and Pardew do have a falling out, lets hope that it happens after the close of the summer transfer window and before the opening of the January one, or after February 1st.

    Of course, being NUFC it will all kick off at the worst possible time for the club.

    I’m fully expecting there to be a real bust up, in fact I think that Ashley has almost engineered it to get shot of Pardew.

    At the end of it all, hopefully Ashley will realise that his tinkering with the club at every level has been an unmitigated disaster and get in someone who knows what they are doing. If he does, then we can start to look forward to winning big things.

    Keep your fingers crossed!




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