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Borussia Dortmund Move In For Newcastle Striker Target

11:25 pm, Monday, July 1st, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 108 Comments

The French web-site is reporting that Borussia Dortmund may have moved in for Newcastle’s number one transfer target Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang of St. Etienne.

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Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang – Dortmund moving in?

This is what was on the webs-site – using the Google translate facility and some additions  to make things a little clearer:

It seems that the case of the ASSE Aubameyang is that  Dortmund is moving ahead … slowly. Too slowly in the eyes of the Gabonese striker who nevertheless wishes to be fixed up with a club as soon as possible.

The positions of the two clubs are they so still  apart?   Still, a commissioned officer from  Dortmund has arrived in Saint-Etienne.

At the same time the proposal of the Russian club Anzhi Makhachkala is probably the most interesting for ASSE,  but it does not appeal to Aubameyang.

It’s interesting that a poll on last week had Borussia Dortmund the favorites to sign the Gabon International with something over 30% of the vote, and Newcastle had  around 12%.

But there was news in the Journal this morning that  Joe Kinnear was trying to persuade Mike Ashley to increase Newcastle’s bid they made last week of £15M,  which was turned down by St. Etienne.

Anzhi have already bid around £2M higher than Newcastle, but as the above report suggests, we don’t think Aubameyang is too interested in moving to Russia.

But with training starting up again this week for most Premier League clubs, things will be heating up in the transfer market, so we hope our new Director of Football Joe Kinnear is on the ball.

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108 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Taking the Papiss // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    I love the idea that Ashley putting 100m of his own cash into the club is totally dismissed as if it isn’t a large figure – it is. The point is all this we are in debt to Ashley is tripe. We are but in realistic terms as it is interest free it simply is part of the purchase price

  • 2 jimmysmith // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    I’m not dismissing the amount, just the notion that he has pumped the money in at his own cost. I don’t think he has, I think he’s thoughtfully shuffled his assets.

  • 3 p // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    TP – I think he is loaning the club money because it needs funding. An interest free loan is the best way for him to do that.

    At some point he will recover the money, either when it is repaid or, when he comes to sell.

    I do not see the big deal on either side of the argument.

  • 4 veto // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    much prefer Bony , perfect foil for cisse .
    Aubameyang has had a couple of half decent seasons , but i dont rate him that much , granted only watched him play a full match on a handfull of occasions .
    bring in bony , perfect hold up striker with good feet .

  • 5 veto // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    he’s shuffled newcastles assets too , off the books in most cases .
    we did own a few nice bit’s of land when he bought the club , from what i believe they are no longer on our books .
    be great if journalists did some proper digging rather than finding out about what old pro has to say about jfk this week .
    few things dont add up , with respect to how much he’s supposedly pumped into the club and also whats been taken out.

  • 6 p // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    Jimmy, I agree.

    I am not sure anyone will really know what Mash thinks, he is not like our pal JFK when it comes to be forthcoming about what he thinks.

    However, NUFC is an investment to him, it’s a business. He wants it to be successful and clearly has some options around getting the balance of outlay and playing success.

    For a while now, we have seen a strategy of trying to make the club as self sustainable as possible.

    There were some miscalculations there. Injuries, a manager unable to handle preparation for domestic as well as European competition etc etc.

    He will look to address that. He wants the club to be successful but not to the extent that it is not profitable.

    The 100m was needed to keep the club funded for that particular strategy. If he feels he needs to fund it more, he will. If he does not, he will repay himself. I don’t think the funding vehicle matters much other than from what works for Mash.

  • 7 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    Who gives a flying fcuk, the bloke owns a football club, pumping in £100m to a top flight club isn’t that impressive most owners have done it and he’s included his loan in his valuation

    Some can praise his business acumen, I couldn’t care less, he owns a football club, it’s not a business it’s a passion and a money pit it needs constant investment
    Put up some transfer funding or fcuk off man, canny stand the bloke or what he’s turning are fan base into, gone from the most passionate fan base in the prem to morgue full of mini accountants

  • 8 Taking the Papiss // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    Any asset disposals would be in the accounts that you can obtain easily from companies house for a few pounds – if he had been doing that the press woul d be app over it as there are always articles about the accounts. He is not siphoning off cash for goodness sake

  • 9 Taking the Papiss // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    Toonarmydownsouth – there are no viable alternative to him now. Do you hear west brom banging on about lack of investment? Grow up nobody except he mega rich throw around the sort of money people seem to want him to spend. None of them want to buy the club so it’s not going to happen

  • 10 p // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    veto, at the end of the day it’s his club and he can do what he wants with it’s assets.

    the good news is that a successful (from a playing perspective) and self sustaining (i.e. earning more than it is spending) is in the interest of both Mash and the fans (even though some might not appreciate that) regardless of whether he wants to sell or keep the club in the shorter term.

    last season he did not do a good job and this is why dekka left. Obviously JFK is a strange way to address the problem in the kindest terms but he is looking to try to improve things.

    people who want more need to hope for an oil sheik or russian billionaire

  • 11 jdizzle // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Toonarmydownsouth what a stupid comment. Football is a business and a passion. You use the term investment and moneypit……they are oxymorons you moron

  • 12 jimmysmith // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    p, yeah, I’d buy that, but in truth, have limited confidence in any of my own beliefs much less on how MA runs his businesses and his intentions and yeah, I think expecting Ashley to be some sort of munificent benefactor is romantic to say the least, but still wish he would and think he could, but that’s a Newcastle fan for you!

  • 13 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    Grow up? Howay lad pipe down, who mentioned mega bucks, or Russian billionaires you pillock, nobody ffs
    I said INVESTMENT not ticking along being reminded of a loan
    West brom invest when they need to, they do deals they can afford
    I didn’t say go out and sign messi but waiting until players are out of contract then panic buying because you didn’t invest at the right time is not a business plan it’s just being tighter than a ducks ars3
    He’s invested absolutely f all the only reason the training ground got modernised is because we screwed Liverpool
    What about the half demolished youth academy where’s the investment there ?

    Like I said most owners put there own cash in to there club, but don’t expect it to be a one off payment or interest free loan

  • 14 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    How many clubs are self sufficient, and how many fan bases are more concerned with how the books look rather than what’s going on on the pitch

    Look at the team it’s desperate for genuine investment as is the academy, not being reminded we “owe” him £100 mil

  • 15 p // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    Aye, unfortunately we are not Chelsea, Man City, Monaco or PSG who’s owners can literally use fifty pound note to wipe their arses after taking a dump

    The best we can do is try to gain success, financial and playing by being astute in the transfer market and getting a good coach.

    We have done quite well in the first part but I still think Pardew is never going to be an Arsene Wenger.

  • 16 spitfire_ // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    Keep calm and trust Joe Kinnear. He said that he can attract anyone in the foookin football.

  • 17 jimmysmith // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    I find the term “owe” even more galling than “pumped”.

  • 18 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:02 AM

    toonarmydownsouth // Jul 1, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    Pure passion right there.

    Can’t argue with any of it TADS.

    The last five years have seen one disaster after another.

    If you take away the one good season (where we were pretty much injury free to all key 1st team players), and the financial stability (which he had to do anyway) and you are left with an absolute shambles of a club with poor planning, recruitment of players and staff.

    And it’s continuing.

  • 19 p // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    as I say, for those who want Mash to run the club as a “money pit” need to save up enough money to buy it off him or, pray for someone rich to come a long and do what the owner of Chelsea etc has done.

    Otherwise, what’s the point? It’s his club he can run it the way he sees fit without giving a sh%$# about what you and I think.

  • 20 G // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    Unbelievable? 5 years have past and there are still people discussing the old ‘how to hurt / dislodge a billionaire’ argument. Good luck with that guys. If you find the answer, it will be the headline in every newspaper on the planet.

  • 21 Taking the Papiss // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    What do you think it costs to do the deals you want to do? 50m a year – that means Ashley would burn up over a quarter of his entire wealth in 10 years. Think about it – not going to happen and cannot be expected either

  • 22 lesh // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:18 AM


    Of course Ashley shuffles his assets. I’d be surprised if you were able to say that you’ve never shuffled yours!

    Come into the real world man, Ashley’s clever and he need not be putting money into the club. Give the guy a break.

  • 23 lesh // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:23 AM


    Have most owners done it, put in £100m with no strings attached?

    Of those that have, I wonder how many were or are laundering it?

  • 24 p // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    aye 100m for an oil sheik is like a nights beer money

  • 25 lesh // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:27 AM

    Joe Kinnear’s asked for a bit help to make a bid:

    How does he spell PEA’s name? Is it PEA or pee??

  • 26 mikeashleyisamackem // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    toon down south -loved the comment about toon fans turning into mini accountants made me chuckle,a very intresting read to night tho i have considered everyones comments alot of people talking alot of sense am actually really suuprised tho that no one brought into account one very major factor when ashley bought the club he got it for a 130 million and granted he has had to plug a hole of approx 100 million ,when calculating the ins and outs in terms of players just on player sales alone has easily made that back ,carrol 35 million ,nzogbia 9 m milner 13 m demba ba 7m ,scott parker 7 million david razzonhall 3 million a faye 3 million shay given 8 million oba martins 9 million d duff 3 million habib bay 2 million bassong 8 million kevin nolan 4.5 m jose enrique 7 million leon best 4 million in total that comes to approx 120 million revenue lets look at out gouings on player recruiment habib baye 2million joey barton 4 million j enrique 6 million d rozonal 3 milion a faye 2million guthrie 2 millionxisco 7million collichini 9 million kevin nolan 4 million d simpson 2 million routlege 2 million best 1 million perch 2 million chieck tiote 4 million ben arfa 5.5 million cabaye 4 million papiss cisse 10 million anita and all january signings +24 million that adds up to 107 million approx add 5 million for youth deals to and for then ashley is in profit and actually spent jack diddly in his 6 years here do the maths yourself if ya like we have made more of sales then we have recruited so my calculation says we owe mike ashley zero and we still roughly owed 20 million which is for are striker

  • 27 mikeashleyisamackem // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM

    not one penny of his own money ive added them up roughly missed obertan i think

  • 28 G // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    No overheads then?

  • 29 Falkland Geordie // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    I would love the toon to be successfull like everybody else, but 100m to be competative with the top six. Then in a few months down the line, the same people will be expecting another 100m to win the league. Followed by the next season another 100m to be competative in the Champions league. Before you know it, you have to spend at least 50-75m a season to remain competative.

    Ashley has got some things wrong and his communication and media skills are sh##t to say the least but he has stabalised the club with some sensible buy’s. There have not been many bad ones recently now have there. Let’s hope for some action in the next two weeks, with the same steady approach. We all get frustrated at th lack of movement or press releases from the Club but stay calm. We did alright in Jan, let’s hope for more of the same and hope they have learnt from the mistakes last summer.

  • 30 mikeashleyisamackem // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    so roughly 120 million incomings and 107 million outgoings ive probs missed a few deals but obvious to me that we have paid for our selves he has given us jack shit

  • 31 mikeashleyisamackem // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    the gate reciepts should pay there wages and all the pies etc not to even mention tv money etc etc

  • 32 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:41 AM

    Unbelievable? 5 years have past and there are still people discussing the old ‘how to hurt / dislodge a billionaire’ argument.


    Not really. Well, not from me anyway.

    Just reiterating my point of view that he is a shocking owner and that any kind of success under his ownership is going to be severely limited on any footballing level.

    In just five years,

    We have now been relegated, overseen six managers in Allardyce, Houghton, Keegan, Kinnear, Shearer, Houghton, Pardew.

    Two Chairman in Chris Mort and Derek Llambias.

    Two directors of football in Dennis Wise and now Joe Kinnear.

    One resignation of a manager and a court case involving contructive dismissal.

    A re-naming of the stadium and tearing down the signs.

    Shocking PR and planning, problems with squad depth that have not been fixed or sufficient in any part of his reign.

    Forgive me for not wanting another five years of this lunitic haha ;)

  • 33 Sazzer // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:43 AM

    Babette van Haaren ?@Babettex23
    Toby Alderweireld, Christian Eriksen and Siem de Jong join Ajax on their trip to Austria today. No concrete interest.

  • 34 G // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    @30, you can buy the accounts yourself, should you wish. There have been many freely available posts from almost all of the fanizine sites, and many independent football sites. If you truly believe your maths is accurate, and that we owe MA nothing, then I am astonished. I have some news for you, turns out even though we pay transfer fees, once we have those players, for some bizzare reason, they expect some salary too. Then there are the hugely controversial agents fees, as well as performance bonuses, also, there’s the gas, electric, water bills, and the fact that the ground is in fact rented. Oh, by the way, those people that flog you drinks and dodgy sausage like things that taste of nothing, and programes, and keep control of the crowd as either stewards, or police, cost money. There are probably a hundred and one other costs involved that I cant be bothered to sit and work out, however, my point is, nobody does anything for nothing.

  • 35 jimmysmith // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Lesh, its not me who thinks he hasn’t shuffled his assets. It’s surely those who think we actually owe him back the “loan”. Perhaps I haven’t made that as clear as I’d imagined in past posts.

  • 36 G // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Just to add to that last post, how I wish you were right, but you are very far from it. I’m sure its a minority of toon fans happy with the circumstances, but look at Leeds, Pompey, Southampton (Pre-2010… obviously) and see how bad things can get. Things could be a sh**e sight worse.

  • 37 Sazzer // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Borussia Dortmund are in for Mkhitaryan. PEA looks to be backup plan. Liverpool looks to be winning first race so we might have to go for our backup plan.

  • 38 mikeashleyisamackem // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    and you cant tell me he has not squeezed a 100million from sponsors tv money gate reciepts from the club shirt sales merchandise club shop bars pints etc because on recruitment he has spent nothing so everything else he has have had to of made his money back i just dont know where they get hese figures from because honestly where is the revenue going because its certainly not on player recruitment

  • 39 Mister Tuff // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    How Joe tried and failed to sign Aubameyang – the telephone call.
    JK: Hallow it’s Joe ere from the Toon can I speak to PEA
    PEA. I am sorry monsieur Joe there is nobody of zat name here.
    JK: Fuc**ng bollocks that bastard Percy’s given me a duff number.
    PEA: Mon Dieu monsieur Joe I do not like zee bad language.
    JK: You can F**k off you c**t -what’s your f**king name.
    PEA: My name ees Pierre Emerick Aubameyang.
    (Duuhhhh Joe realises his error and tries to rescue the
    situation with some small talk).
    JK: Ah Pierre -what team do you play for.
    JK: Who are you calling an arse -you can f**k off you c**t I’m not going to sign you ya cheeky c**t -now f**k off.

  • 40 G // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:52 AM

    @38, if you read the accounts, mainly Barclays. We have Sheppard / Hall to thank for that one.

  • 41 mikeashleyisamackem // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    the wages should be sustainable through gate reciepts alone yes alot of other costs involved but you cant tell me we pay more out than we rake in and as recruitment is concerned he is in profit it really doesnt add up to me

  • 42 lesh // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    jimmysmith // Jul 2, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Are:there really folk in our midst who think WE actually owe him back the “loan”.

    Do they need to be reminded yet again that it’s the club, the limited company that owes Ashley money, not us!“

  • 43 Joe Blog // Jul 2, 2013 at 1:52 AM

    I could get used to having Joe around – at least he provides ample comedic material to work with – we are, in a way, The Entertainers once more, no?

  • 44 lesh // Jul 2, 2013 at 1:52 AM

    If we do lose out on PEA, I wonder whether there might be questions asked about JFK’s possible inability to modify an approach to a situation on the light of changing circumstances? Might he be seen as a manger who can only follow pre-arranged plans, think in straight lines rather than be creative when circumstances demand a change of strategy!

    If he’s shown to be a straight line type of manager, then he’ll soon be found out…… I hope.

  • 45 lesh // Jul 2, 2013 at 1:54 AM

    Joe Blog….. The Entertainers indeed. But for the wrong reasons.

  • 46 count // Jul 2, 2013 at 1:57 AM

    I see there are still a huge number of people on here who are financially clueless, child-like, moaning dullards who are completely out of touch with reality.
    No wonder our country is having the p!ss ripped out of it by the global banking cartels and corporate scumbags with such thickos about like.

  • 47 Mister Tuff // Jul 2, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    dracula – surprised to see you back here – I thought you were “seen off” due to your offensive remarks about others.

  • 48 count // Jul 2, 2013 at 2:15 AM

    No such luck

  • 49 count // Jul 2, 2013 at 2:17 AM

    Anyhoo. Time for beddy-byes

  • 50 lesh // Jul 2, 2013 at 3:23 AM

    0320 and not a post since 0217……… Say bye bye Sooty, say bye bye Sweep. Bye bye everybody, bye bye.

  • 51 terencelim // Jul 2, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    @46 I see you moan the most among all. Mind to share your intelligence about “financial” rather than moaning like a kid?

  • 52 Baro // Jul 2, 2013 at 3:57 AM

    I hope Faustino Aspirilla comes into the club. Wether its for coaching the youth or scouting for young talents we really need to look at Colombia. People say Belgium have the rising talent atm but its really colombia that is rising….

    John Cordoba… new Asprilla?

    Juan fernando quintero … I promise this player will be the next big thing! He is amazing, so technical, has an IQ of an 89 year old man who has played the game and coahced it. He is genius. ONly 19 and we can get him for 10 million.
    He will be worth 50 million in two years.

  • 53 Baro // Jul 2, 2013 at 3:57 AM

    COLOMBIA…….is the way to go!

  • 54 Baro // Jul 2, 2013 at 3:58 AM

    Anyways I;m really hoping we get a couple of signings in the next couple of weeks.

    Pierre Emerick Aubamayang
    Darren Bent

    2 wingers

    Simon Kjaer
    a young CB and RB

  • 55 roshan MAGPIE // Jul 2, 2013 at 4:57 AM

    Mister tuff nice one ;-)

  • 56 Santon03 // Jul 2, 2013 at 5:11 AM

    Let’s say Anzi bid 25mil, Dortmund 20mil, and NUFC 18mil. What happen if PEA want to join NUFC? Is it his choice or the club ‘s choice?

  • 57 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 2, 2013 at 5:33 AM

    Perchinio to Wigan? Well, stone the crows!

    Im not sure why you lads are interested in the money side of the club? This is the Toon, it’s all about the entertainment on show, the football.

    Sadly, the planning (or lack of) over the past five years under this regime has seen it limited to say the least.

    Come on NUFC, give us a signing!

  • 58 jimmysmith // Jul 2, 2013 at 5:49 AM

    Lesh, he`s not owed jacksh@t, not by us, nor by the club, that`s the point that`s being made.

    Although he and others might have you believe otherwise.

  • 59 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 2, 2013 at 6:02 AM

    5 hrs, 25 mins ago

    Have most owners done it, put in £100m with no strings attached?

    Of those that have, I wonder how many were or are laundering it?

    It’s not no strings though its part of his valuation it’s a safe bet, plus tbf most owners wouldn’t have to do a no strings loan they wouldn’t be stupid enough to buy a club without doing there homework properly!!!!

    Taking The Pappis
    Straight from the school of lambezee finances I see!
    No way it would take £100 mil every season, to make a few much needed signings don’t oversell agents fees because every other club in the league seem to be able to strengthen when needed
    Why do people like you assume that when fans are asking for investment assume we’re talking about oil tycoons and marquee signings!

  • 60 headtheball // Jul 2, 2013 at 6:02 AM

    What about Andy Pandy and a little weed?
    Or Muffin the mule?
    Those are the days we used to win trophies.

  • 61 Santon03 // Jul 2, 2013 at 6:13 AM

    When you are in financial crisis and someone give interest free loan string or no string, you should say thank you. Not criticising or demmanding more or abusing that person, he definitely has pour his own money to get you out of trouble, of course he would want to get his money back, don’t tell me if it’s you, you don’t want your money back especially large amount, that would mean you are full of sh!t.

  • 62 Krul To Be Kind // Jul 2, 2013 at 6:13 AM


    The last comment was spot on m8… we don’t need marquee signings for mega millions… take January for example, 5 stellar signings for sub £20m, there is some fantastic business to be done when you look around for it, the problem is we faff about and players lose interest!

  • 63 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 2, 2013 at 6:13 AM

    Santon…it is up the clubs to agree a feww for the player and then it is up the the players agent for agree terms with the club/clubs meeting the asking price.

    In your excample St. Etienne can turn down both offers from Dortmund and NUFC and then it is up to PEA if he wants to talk to Anzi or not.

  • 64 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 2, 2013 at 6:14 AM


  • 65 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 2, 2013 at 6:47 AM

    About all these wealthy owners throwing money around in football from a Danish perspective it is all about moving around your profit so you won’t have to pay tax.

    Most of the money used in football should have been used somewhere else and probably could haave made a difference (it is the tax payers money)

    Maybe some is being laundred as well. Now this is not my field of expertice so I have no idea how to get to the bottom of it – I would probably just throw them all in jail, but that would probably not hold in a court of law ;-) lol

  • 66 bills-son // Jul 2, 2013 at 6:49 AM

    Whether its PEA or someone else we have to get a CF who can hold the ball up, run the channels and play as a lone striker especially in away games. Being physical is nowhere as near important as having pace though having both would be great.

    Cisse is a finisher and nothing else and our attack is powderpuff and one dimensional with him up front on his own. It didn’t work with Ba because, although Ba has more to his game than Cisse, he is essentially the same type of player who wants to play through the middle.

    Getting the right CF is absolutely key to getting the best out of our midfield talent and out of Cisse. The new CF doesn’t have to be a 20 goal a season man – he needs to be the right type of player for the team. PEA fits the bill. We can but hope.

  • 67 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 2, 2013 at 6:50 AM

    Now you all owe me a penny for my thoughts ;-)

    Have a great morning! Keep my posted if we sign anyone (don’t want any news about or so called targets signing for someone else :-D )

  • 68 Indian Magpie // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM


    For perch very unlike Ashley

  • 69 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:04 AM

    Most reports have us as spending 33 million in Jan (including agents fees, but not wages). That is a massive outlay for a January window, unless you are Dalglish’s Liverpool.

    However, if he had spent some of that in the summer we wouldn’t have been in the mess.

    Last season we had the 8th most expensive squad in the Prem, behind the big 6 and Aston Villa. However, in the last 5 years only Arsenal have spent less net then we have.

    Ashley has put a hell of a lot of money in the club to pay off debts, outstanding transfer fees, wages. We have the basis of a great squad, I think the whole thing (money wise) will be fine IF he decides to spend this summer and acquires the players we desperately need. Obviously there are still other issues that cause bad blood between him and the fans, but the money side could be solved by a few top signings for the club.

    On PEA, given a choice of Dortmund or ourselves, I can’t imagine why he wouldn’t pick Dortmund. I don’t think that us ‘stalling’ on a bid is that important, as no clubs have officially bid that we are aware of.. The lad wants his future sorted out, but not to the detriment of his progression.

  • 70 Jail for Ashley // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:07 AM

    Keep seeing people bang on about stability and was about to say my piece then I read Toon prodigy @ 18 and there was no need, says it all really.

  • 71 lesh // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:08 AM

    headtheball @60.

    They’re both illegal aren’t they?

    Oh yes, happy days

  • 72 Jail for Ashley // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:14 AM

    Norwich have agreed a fee with Brum for Nathan Redmond and are in talks with PSV for Toivonen, I bet their poor fans are sh!tting themselves in case they do a Leeds or Portsmouth.

  • 73 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:15 AM

    I’m not sure I agree on the poor recruitment of players part, that one is more of a mixed bag, and I’d say all in all more positive. Maybe poor timing of recruitments, but none, except the odd 2/3 are poor players. The squad is better now then when Ashley bought the club, with the exception of the striking positions, which he needs to rectify this summer. (Maybe Krul and Given are similar level as well.)

  • 74 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    Ha, I’d love us to be in for Redmond, but I’m not to bothered about Toivonen. It is starting to get a bit frustating not actually seeming to be doing anything, but hopefully JK will be doing something! (That isn’t Matty Taylor). PEA would be a great start, but the longer it drags on the less likely we are to get him in my book.

  • 75 Jail for Ashley // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    So going on those reports each players agents fees were on average 2.8M per player…..mmmm ?

  • 76 Jail for Ashley // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:26 AM

    After the signing of Cisse and a fifth place finish I was slowly starting to think that Mashley knew what he was doing and had a well thought out plan but the fiasco of last summer proved beyond a shadow of doubt that far from being a well planned strategy it is being made up six monthly according to what savings can be made at the time.

  • 77 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:42 AM

    I’d imagine as all transfer fees were undisclosed, and papers estimated at the time, that the truth is probably somewhere in between the 15-20mill printed in some, and the 33 printed now.

    I think most were starting to think maybe, just maybe MA had pulled it off despite the many doubters. last summer was awful, at the time, and even worse in hindsight. I’d say this summer tells us whether it was Ashley or Llambias penny pinching. In terms of liking the bloke, that boat sailed a long time ago, in terms of whether he is willing to push the club forward, he has this summer, and then I will be much more in line with your thinking.

    Anyway, got to dash, playing footy this morning against the Blue Eagles reserve team.(Police team in the top division)

  • 78 TorqToon // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:45 AM

    So L’equip are reporting that Belhanda has “changed his mind” since his move to Kiev!!!!


    Morning gents! :-)

  • 79 geordiefromthemidlands // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    Morning Torq
    There’s not much he can do now though is there? Not as if he has a cooling off period.
    Any news on our PEA bid?

  • 80 Ben3arfa // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:51 AM


    I highly doubt we are veen interested in Belhanda, Villa were though

    And wasnt he presented at the Kyiv stadium and given a squad number just the other day? Funny story developing

  • 81 Roy Morten // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:56 AM

    Good morning Torq.. Hoping for some good news today as always:)

  • 82 jonobbad // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    This season we have record breaking sponsorship deal and a record breaking tv deal.
    Yet will we spend money? I doubt it unless we sell.
    Well thats ok because at least our debt has been going down as we must be paying it off.
    Er no.
    Debt has increased since mike ashley took over and even if you don’t include the purchase price it is 130 million.
    It has gone up since 2008.
    Never mind though at least we are getting sponsorship from all the sports direct sponsorship plastered everywhere. Whats that? Its free?

    All BS.
    Mike ashley is not the saviour of our club, he is the parasite we need rid of the most and then the rest will follow.
    And I couldnt care less if hes a billionaire. F*** off ashley.

  • 83 TorqToon // Jul 2, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    Ben3 – yeah it’s very strange! He was unveiled shirt in Hand at half time, along with 2 other players (Mbokani being one) and all seemed well.

    Now l’equip are saying he made a mistake and they can’t confirm from the club that a contract was actually signed?!?! It’s bizarre.

    Morning Geordie – No nothing new from yesterday I’m afraid. All very cloak and dagger.

  • 84 TorqToon // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Roy – You and me both, sir! :-)

  • 85 jonobbad // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:01 AM

    So are we still signing pea? Or is it only when he is holding up a dortmund shirt that people will realise he was never going to come here.

  • 86 TorqToon // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:03 AM

    Jono – Until he is holding up a shirt or any kind, nobody will truly know what is going on.

  • 87 Ben3arfa // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    The other player unveiled by Dynamo Kyiv with Belhanda was Jermain Lens, would have been a great signing for us

  • 88 geordiefromthemidlands // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Wow that is interesting Torq.
    Back to work for you after your jollys? Time to flash the key ring boss.
    The melt down on Vanquier via twitter yesterday was hilarious. In January when he was rumoured to be coming it was met with apathy. Then yesterday everyone was kicking off. Even Mark Douglas the journo had said that he had spoken to vanquier s agent who had denied any nufc interest. And that’s day 1 of the window.

  • 89 Mister Tuff // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:06 AM

    The Belhanda situation is very strange.
    Picture of him, Mkobani and Lens holding up their new shirts.

  • 90 jonobbad // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    No but using common sense would help.
    Champions league team or a team who are bottom half of prem?
    No contest.

    Also he has had 2 good seasons in france, but before that he was loaned out all over the place, with no impressive goal tallies.
    Im not sure if he will cut it in the prem

  • 91 Roy Morten // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    Would like us to get Baard Finne from SK Brann. 18 year old Norwegian striker.. Scored a hatrick in the weekend..

  • 92 Rotonda heights // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:12 AM

    Klupp or Pardew,
    CL or not even Europe as our manager doesn’t want it!

    Not a difficult choice really.


    I think both JFK and Pardew are straight line thinking managers and haven’t got a creative, think outside the box ounce between them.

  • 93 JAMSHA // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:18 AM

    bony signs for swansea… n we fkn sign nobody… waitn for sum excuse from jfk n co

  • 94 Markaccus // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:22 AM


    We were only ever linked to bony in the media. Club never confirmed we were after him. So why would there be an excuse? Relax. There is no point in us going for playera until all the rich clubs are done. Otherwise we will be out bid all the time. People know that this is the way our transfer windows are. No point in getting frustrated on july 2nd.

  • 95 Ian Toon // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    I can’t understand the endless reference to hoofball comments which i guess are essentially about the “right way to play the game.”
    Surely the “right” way to play football is the way that uses the best attributes of the team to the most positive effect. If you have forwards who are quicker than their opposing defenders, then long or direct passing over their heads into space is a good tactic. If you have a strong striker and midfielders who can shoot accurately from distance, then a long pass for the big man to hold up while the shooters take aim makes sense. I am not thinking of the toon but just making a general observation as it appears of more interest than the constant regurgitation of hoofball hoofball which is plain boring.
    Surely we should wait to see what signings are made and what formation(s) we play before condemning our season to the trash can!

  • 96 Galtierez // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    Aubameyang P-E?@Aubameyang73m
    Aéroport de Barcelone > Destination unknown

  • 97 Ian Toon // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:34 AM

    Surely it depends on what kind of long ball ( hoofball to the clueless) i am told by the oficionado types that Glenn Hoddle played superb long balls. So did Hristo Stoichkov. It was the best pass in David Beckham’s repertoire, and Alonso makes good use out of it too. But the hoof-it-to-safety long ball? The hopeful whacked-up-field-late-in-the-game long ball? Surely they have as much place in the game as two-footed, studs-up tackles.

  • 98 Ian Toon // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    Aficionado even!

  • 99 jimmysmith // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    Mike can have his return on his initial investment and clearance of the debt if and when he sells. Until then he might also want to consider his ethical obligation to provide value for money to and respect for his loyal fan base and to represent the club and therefore region with dignity.

  • 100 sparky55 // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    Ian Toon…not wanting to stick the hoof in but would you say with the players we have the we are suited to the long ball game…do we have a Stoichkov or a Hoddle or Beckham…do we have the strong centre forward or that lightening quick striker who can also fight off the three CB’s marking him because the supporting midfield are 30 yards away.

    With the players we have what type of system do you think we are better suited to.

  • 101 Ian Toon // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    Spark -.Surely we should wait to see what signings are made and what formation(s) we play before condemning our season to the trash can!

  • 102 Ian Toon // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    Spark – We have a Cabaye who when fit is as good as anyone at picking a pass. Playing 4-3-3 – comprising Tiote and Sissoko + Cabs.

  • 103 jazzyp // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:49 AM

    torq-good morning bud

    LIVERPOOL are not targeting former Newcastle target Mamadou Sakho
    and I here he’s still unsure of entering a new contract with psg due to playing time as discussed the other day,maybe one to shore up the defence.
    also have you heard anything of yohan’s dad trying to instigate a move the opposite way

  • 104 TorqToon // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    Galtierrez – not that I’m a big one for theories, but that tweet from PEA is interesting.

    1) Destination unknown in English
    2) Apparently David Craig in Newcastle today After postponing his meeting with Graeme Bailey.
    3) PEA is only around 30miles from Dortmund from where he plys his trade. Surely a chopper or car would be more practical?!

    Or it could just all be tw@tter rubbish again?!?! :-)


  • 105 jimmysmith // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    I saw Stoichkov play at St James’ for Bulgaria in the Euros. He was lightning fast and brutally ferocious for 90 minutes. I was mesmerized by him, never more so than in injury time when he stood for the entire period motionless with hands on hips in apparent disdainful and contemptuous protest over his teammates lack of capacity for the game. While his manager sat passively looking on allowing him to get away with it without a murmur or even a sideways glance. Hristo Stoichkov, my f@cken hero.

  • 106 sparky55 // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    Ian…I agree completely we have to wait to see who we have available us especially when the example you made of the passing midfielder is the one we are most likely to lose.

    I think with the players we have available to us the 4-5-1 morphing into 4-3-3 is the formation most of us would like to see and most of us feel is better suited to the payers we have…but last year Pardew played long ball which is why I asked the question what you think would be our best set up with the players we have

  • 107 jazzyp // Jul 2, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    I can only see aubameyang’s destination-if the uk to be ourselves now.spurs are in for soldado of Valencia which paves the way for nufc
    or am I just being to optimistic !!!

  • 108 stretchintoon // Jul 2, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    if we dont get pea or bony id go back for remy.

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