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No Resolution On Cisse Wearing Wonga – Trains In Gym

11:28 pm, Saturday, July 13th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 113 Comments

The Daily Mirror is reporting that Papiss Cisse has been training in the gym,  after returning for pre-season training to Newcastle on Friday, so it seems the WONGA question, whether he will wear the WONGA insignia this season, has still not been answered.

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Papiss Cisse – training in gym at Newcastle

It seems that Cisse is being kept out of sight until some resolution can be reached on whether he will wear the WONGA insignia on his kit in this coming season.

Cisse is of the Muslim faith, and Muslims are not allowed to profit from loaning out money, and therefore he has objected on to ­wearing the logo of the payday-loan company, who charge sky high interest rates to those people who can hardly afford it.

But our former short sponsor Virgin Money also charged interest on loans, so we’re not sure what the real difference is.

It’s also Ramadan and during this ninth month of the Islam calendar, Muslims fast from sunrise to sunset, and during the fast, no food or drink can be consumed – so that makes it difficult for Cisse to train.

The news a few days ago was that Cisse is willing to wear a charity-branded shirt this season, and we suppose that would work, but obviously Newcastle would like all their players to wear the WONGA kit.

The Mirror is reporting this is a stand-off but we think not – it seems appropriate that Cisse stay out of sight until a resolution is reached to this issue – but Newcastle don’t have a lot of time to reach an agreement on this.

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113 responses so far ↓

  • 1 manxpie // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    ed are you being payed by wonga i noticed this the other day but you put wonga in capitals at every oppertunity lol??
    come on own up? :)

  • 2 stuart no9 // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    i really dont get this cisse thing. He was ok with the virgin logo but refuses the womga sign . I dont get it ! can anybody tell me what the difference is ? i’m baffled

  • 3 Goodfella // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    Manxpie from last thread

    http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=41819

  • 4 Newcastle Brown Alien // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    Lets be fair, if they were serving pork for the meals, and papiss didn’t eat it due to religion no one would care, let this be the same.

  • 5 liamh // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    I believe that he was training on his own because of the Ramadan meaning he isn’t fit enough to train properly.

  • 6 manxpie // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    16manxpie // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    yeah cheers goodfella i think he’s worth a gamble he’s certainly worked his way up gotta be worth it more than bent considering his age

  • 7 beddersmag // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    I reckon cisse is making an issue of this as he is angling for a move. Just a hunch

  • 8 jeff // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    you dont like pork alien?

  • 9 Macas // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    jeff – you get bored of posting under your Ketsbaia alias for today?

  • 10 potski // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    Easy:

    Virgin Money are a bank, they have customers with accounts, do savings, insurance, credit cards etc. They are a respectable, honest company, with a nice guy running them. They also inherited the sponsorship deal from Northern Rock, when they took over them, protecting the jobs of many workers in the north east.

    Wonga are loan sharks who exploit the vulnerable and desperate. Their rates of interest are immoral, and illegal in many parts of the world. They should be banned in the UK.

  • 11 Goodfella // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    @ 5
    Makes sense

    Manxpie
    Hooper or bent no brainier for me, I’d hate to sign bent!

    Well I’m off later guys :)

  • 12 manxpie // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    does anyone know if its possible to sue papers or journalists for these kind of reports i’d love to see the mirror doing 1 of them apology statements lol
    and jfk could tell us all how he made them lick his boots while holding a gun to there heads while telling them that they would swim with the fishes if they didn’t apologise!
    he was a don once ya know?? :)

  • 13 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    @ jeff

    Muslims can’t eat Pork. Must be hard like. Pork Chops, Spare Ribs, Bacon . They don’t know what they are missing :) .

    Got myself hungry now, better go raid the fridge ;)

  • 14 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Ironic how footballers on 60 grand a week complain about the ethics of money. I don’t see them campaining for lower ticket prices, oh wait, who would pay their ludicrous wages :)

  • 15 wolfshead@toon // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    manx

    don > wimbledon v good go to the top of the class ;-)

  • 16 Spotlight Kid // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    ‘But our former short sponsor Virgin Money also charged interest on loans, so we’re not sure what the real difference is..’

    Well, Ed let me tell you what the ‘real difference’ is:

    Wonga charge 5,853 per cent APR (annula percentage rate), Virgin charge typically between 5 and 12 per cent APR depending on type of loan.

    If I borrowed £100 from Virgin on July 1st 2013, I would have accumulated between £7 and £12 interest by July 1st 2014.

    If I borrowed £100 from Wonga on the same day I would owe them £5,853-00 plus the initial £100 a year later.

    Hope this is clear enough?

    Scumbags, no other word for them.

  • 17 FatmanJoe // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    Manxpie

    I have never claimed to be ITK but I do know one of the top lawyers at NUFC and before he went to Oz to watch the lions he said he was working on a huge law suit on a few of the papers over the ridiculous things they’ve done with us recently.

    But saying that, he worked with Derek Llambias so he doesn’t know whether he will still be hired by NUFC when he’s fully back to work or whether he’ll follow Derek out the door.

  • 18 fatman // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    stuart

    I too will not wear a shirt with wonga on it, they are thieves and pray on the desperate, i intend to send the money i would have spent on the new kit to bobby’s charity.

  • 19 Spotlight Kid // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    *APR – annual percentage rate

  • 20 Newcastle Brown Alien // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    Jeff, I love pork, I would hate to be Muslim as I couldn’t eat it.

  • 21 stuart no9 // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    potski —– maybe so , but virgin still ” profit from loaning out money” that is still the underlying problem for cisse , regardless of morals . virgin still make a profit on loans.

  • 22 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    Not that I like Wonga as a company, far from it.

  • 23 potski // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    BPC

    But Cisse works for his money, and is not exploiting anyone. He has a unique skill which is employer is very willing to offer him that sort of money to use to entertain people. Not really the same as ripping someone off who is desperate to pay their electricity bill?

    BTW the differences between Virgin and Wonga are my views. There is not one substantiated story showing that Cisse has a problem with the shirt.

    I heard it was 30 degrees in Newcastle this week. So if you were the coach and had someone who hasn’t trained for a few weeks and can’t drink anything all day because of Ramadan, would you:
    A. Get him to do some nice easy warm up stuff in an airconditioned gym, or
    B. Make him run around outside?

  • 24 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:08 AM

    cheers wolfshead lol
    fatman well something should be done and i hope ya mate does its rediculous what some get away with it might even add to the transfer kity imagine the headline “redtops help us by messi”! lol
    spotlight kid the thing is that the law muslims live under is they don’t make ANY money of lending?
    so there is no difference mate he either does believe in his faiths stance on it or he doesn’t and both banks n paydays both make money on loans simple as that?
    and as for banks bein respectable where have you been for the last 5 years??

  • 25 count // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Good on him. I wouldn’t want to work for wonga either.

    Good to see some voices of reason on here. Not all of you are completely devoid of humanity.

  • 26 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    and the fact that payday loans are actually companies shows the failings of how banks have been run and if there used by sensible people they are handy
    the problem with this whole country is want now pay later thats the issue blame DFS :)

  • 27 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    bloody hell 3mill euro he’s gotta be an upgrade on ober at that price!!!??

    Corriere dello Sport: Roma have had a €3m bid rejected for Marseille target Gervinho, Arsenal want closer to €10m they claim. #AFC #OM

  • 28 Spotlight Kid // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    manxpie,

    Ed asked ‘what’s the difference’, I’m explaining the difference between a high street bank and a loan shark.

    This is not a religious issue, it is an ethical one. All the squad should refuse to wear the shirt, and every fan should refuse to buy it. Bolton Wanderers quickly gave QuickQuid the push when fans objected – but NUFC fans were bought off with getting the stadium name back.

    I recall Christopher Columbus pulled off a similar stunt in 1492 when he ‘gave the moon back’ to the natives after an eclipse. Draw your own conclusions.

  • 29 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    @ potski

    I don’t agree with either. Wonga are wrong but business is business at the end of the day. Its not as if you take out the loan and then they say “oh, by the way the intrest rates are a million percent” . It is well documented what they charge yet people are still stupid (or gullible enough) to use the service.

    I agree footballers do have specialised talents but I don’t agree with what they get payed what so ever. Those kinds of wages should be for people in the armed forces risking their lives daily. Not to mention footballers supposedly play for the “love of the game” .

    I wonder how many would stick around if they had to play for free. No chance :)

  • 30 mally72 // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Would be nice if someone from the club made a statement to squash this story so papers would stop printing this crap

  • 31 potski // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    Stuart

    As I said, I don’t think there was ever any proof about this story. Unless I missed it completely I never read any quotes from any of our players with any objections to the Wonga deal.

    But if Cisse has an objection on religious/moral grounds I can understand it. To say that Virgin and Wonga are no different to each other is to completely ignore the reality of the APR that Spotlight shows very clearly. How can anyone be comfortable with a company that charges interest rates that high? Whether they are Muslims or not.

  • 32 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    Also if you want to be angry at someone then it should be the Government. They say what companies like Wonga do is perfectly legal so that tells you everything you need to know about their concern for us.

    I hope they do ban companies like that, but for all we know the Government take a slice of the action in agreement that they keep services like this legal.

  • 33 Tayls // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    For thos of you “baffled” at the difference between wong and virgin money. Wonga charges 2000+% APR and prays on the vulnerable! How can people not understand Cisse not wanting to support such establishments!!

  • 34 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:38 AM

    spotlight kid good history lesson thanks but i pointed out that there is no difference at all!
    payday loans are a business as are banks that lend money that have interest on them loans and have deadlines on paying that money back thats how they make money yeah?
    if you live by ethical values fair enough but you’d be hard pushed to by anything in the street that is truely ethical
    and if i need £100 before i get payed n pay £110 back i.e use it the right way then thats fine by me!
    and what were all these banks doin in the last few years lending money to businesses that would never work n morgages to people that could never pay!?
    if the banks did there job properely and people lived in there means then payday loans wouldn’t be around!?

  • 35 potski // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    No use trying to justify them, even the government accepts these companies are targeting the young and vulnerable:

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/money/2013/jul/01/crackdown-payday-loans-advertising

  • 36 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    tayls where not “baffled” mate but the muslim law or way is they can not PROFIT ON ANY LOAN so there is no difference to his true faith because his last sponser that he wore did the same!
    and that apr is over a year when you are supposed to pay it back in a week!
    why isn’t there this uproar for actual proper manipulation i.e parking tickets i seen before that theres 1 issued every 4 seconds (million £ drop) thats hitting everyone and thats the government!! but there the one raising the issue! how does that work!!

  • 37 stuart no9 // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    dont get me wrong , i hate wonga as much as anyone else , i have no time for them , never have – never will , however wonga make a profit on loans – virgin make a profit on loans. it dosnt matter if wonga charge 5million % interest and virgin make 2% interest the principle is exactly the same. as far as cisse is concerned , they both make profit on loans regardless of how nasty wonga are and how lovey virgin are. nice men in virgin- nasty men in wonga ,ALL MAKE PROFIT ON LOANS

  • 38 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    potski i wrote my piece before even seeing your post so how does that work then?

  • 39 Spotlight Kid // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    manxpie,

    You, along with many other promoters of these business practices, seek to conflate issues to the extent of minimising a difference of 1000x in the APR payable.

    You also fail to mention that the business practice of pay day lenders is to deliberately target people in need, often before they have had a chance to consult the Citizens Advice Bureau or other agencies.

    Any bank would be out of business overnight charging 5853% APR as Wonga does, but the special conditions (ie lack of proper regulation) that allows these criminals to operate is something that we all should be concerned about.

    Clearly you have little or no sympathy with the plight of the many folks who often through no fault of their own have found themselves in spiralling compounding debt. Your view is of the caveat emptor variety, free market rules, which to an extent I agree with except that this is a squalid monopolised marketplace devoid of any regulated competition.

    This has nothing to do with the malpractices of the high street banks in the years up to 2007, or the bad credit bubble we imported from the USA. As Potski clearly pointed out, this is about NUFC getting in bed with a company that actively bleeds money out of the local economy (leaving other agencies to pick up the mess when borrowers can’t repay, at a further cost to taxpayers) as opposed to a company like Virgin at the heart of the NE economy.

    This will not change until people make their voices heard – as they did in Bolton.

    ‘It’s legal so it must be OK’ is not the mantra the North East was built on, or you would have been working up a chimney from the age of 7. Community ethics and common decency are absolutely key to this fiasco.

  • 40 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:02 AM

    and potski weren’t that what banks have been accused of for putting the world in the shit??
    where do you buy your clothes?
    do you have any nike or addidas stuff?
    if so? have a think of the people who made that stuff for ya?
    lets face it the world is the way it is and people seem to choose what they wan’t to give a shit about lol so where all hypocrites really unless your totally ethical are you??

  • 41 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    spotlight 1st of all i ain’t a promotor of the company!!!
    secondly these companies tell you a date to pay back by which is no where near the % you and the press are talking about right??
    now if i borrow some money n get told to pay it back by a certain date i will! thats obviously just me by the sounds of it?
    but the GOVERNMENT let the banks lend to anyone and have allowed these businesses to fester so who is to blame?
    i don’t like that we’re sponsered by them but i don’t like people who argue the fact that cisse has chosen the one from the other!!
    they are exactly the same no matter what %| there getting payed back and especially since the banks are the ones that created these kind of businesses!!

  • 42 thegeordieraver // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    Alright guys, I don’t post often but read everyday. Whenever I go onto newsnow and see anything negative about our club it seems to be getting put out by the daily mirror! Does anyone know why unless I’ve missed something that they are trying to stir it more than others?

  • 43 magpieboom_6 // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:22 AM

    Joke In Here and Pardew need to look at going after Clint Dempsey to help us out.

  • 44 MacToon // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    Fatman@18, well done. I hope more fans follow your lead.

  • 45 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    the geordieraver it was the mirror reporter who got the 1st c*%t from jfk i believe and a few more after that so his re-appointment has brought that on lol

    mactoon so are you not buying it coz of wonga or puma?

  • 46 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:29 AM

    or did you buy the adidas kit when we were sponsered by them?

  • 47 Toon73 // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:29 AM

    Cisse in the gym alone has nothing to do with Wonga ffs !!

  • 48 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    toon73 exactly mate i love how the ethical bandwagon gets jumped on!!
    i expect the press to do it but the fans need to look at themselves before doing such things i personally blame joe kinnear!!

  • 49 manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    mactoon ya got an answer for me mate?

  • 50 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 14, 2013 at 2:14 AM

    Let’s all defend the wonga deal because Ashley can do no wrong.

    Manxpie, you’ve lost sight of what’s important, you’re blinded by your love of MA that you cannot see the wood from the trees.

  • 51 toonincheek // Jul 14, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    The posts above highlighting the high rates of interest charged by Wonga, compared with Virgin are just – NONSENSE.

    For Muslims, this is a matter of PRINCIPLE – not amount.
    Interest is interest.
    For Muslims, it should not a question of how much, only the principle.

  • 52 brklyngeordie // Jul 14, 2013 at 2:58 AM

    @5 Liamh – I kind of was thinking the same thing that perhaps that practicing muslims are fasting right now for the month of Ramadan and perhaps this is playing a factor into the whole training in gym thing..
    But if so why are the other muslim players not?? But then again maybe they dont feel that they can fast and train in this month because when Ramadan falls in summer months it is extremely difficult..
    Well thats what i hope anyway..Hopefully some good news on the transfer front next week HWTL!!

  • 53 MacToon // Jul 14, 2013 at 3:07 AM

    manxpie // Jul 14, 2013 at ……

    mactoon so are you not buying it coz of wonga or puma?

    or did you buy the adidas kit when we were sponsered by them?

    ————————–

    No idea what it’s got to do with my post or fatman’s and frankly I don’t really care.
    My point was that I liked what fatman was saying he was going to do.

  • 54 Tayls // Jul 14, 2013 at 3:13 AM

    manxpie you have to realise true faith is based on a mans actions and not the tag or religion he chooses to give himself. True that cisse is muslim and islam disallows earning from lending which newcastles former sponsors would also do. The issue here is not really of the islamic religion but of the mans beliefs. He is clearly someone who disagrees profoundly with preying on the vulnerable which I hope is a trait shared by most humans not just Muslims. Clearly papiss does not want to support a company that makes buisness doing exactly that and for this I applaud him!

  • 55 thai-mag // Jul 14, 2013 at 3:13 AM

    if interest on money is such a big thing to them I wonder when they put their money in saving accounts it’s in banks with the lowest possible interest rates, I don’t think so somehow

  • 56 Tayls // Jul 14, 2013 at 3:20 AM

    and like others have said, dont think he’s training separately because of wonga but more coz of ramadan

  • 57 ROSHAN MAGPIE // Jul 14, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    Wow norwich signed fer they and few other clubs below us are strengthening there squads while our Joe is in holiday and mike is doing nothing about it :-C

  • 58 ROSHAN MAGPIE // Jul 14, 2013 at 3:31 AM

    Wow norwich signed fer they and few other clubs below us are strengthening there squads while our Joe is on holiday and mike is doing nothing about it :-C

  • 59 shamsoftabriz // Jul 14, 2013 at 3:50 AM

    Wonga are a terrible sponsor. I’d rather refund their money and get a new one. Good for Papiss.

  • 60 shamsoftabriz // Jul 14, 2013 at 3:51 AM

    No, wait, if we refund their money, they will charge us 4,892,908,345,893 % in interest. Oh well. Wonga it is :-(

  • 61 MacToon // Jul 14, 2013 at 3:55 AM

    solano // Jun 19, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    Ashley’s arbitrary decisions are always rationalised and explained not by him, but the sad people who just love being abused by him.

    ————————————

    Thought it was worth a second post.

  • 62 p // Jul 14, 2013 at 4:55 AM

    http://www.t7sports.com:8080/2005/S165338.HTM

    Bottom of the table

  • 63 argentoona // Jul 14, 2013 at 5:21 AM

    Cisse should stand strong the only reason wonga joined up for newcastle is because they know more of the north east deprived areas will feel more acceptable towards them instead of thier competitors. These companies should be banned from being sponsors.

    Just my opinion im muslim and proud i dont eat pork along with many other forbidden foods it doesn’t impact me in anyway just like a vegetarian only has greens ????

    Nufc4life

  • 64 expatmag // Jul 14, 2013 at 5:47 AM

    I havent posted in a while but have read the articles with interest.

    With regard to paper talk about Cisse, that is all it is. I wouldnt worry too much at all regarding this. He will be our main attacking threat this year.

    With regard to the wonga sponsorship, maybe I am wrong but isnt the deal something like 8m pounds a year over 4 years which the club said would go into the transfer bucket. Maybe some of you guys on here could confirm this.

    I would take Bent at 5m and Remy at 6m but on substantially less wages than they are currently getting. Both players have points to prove with Bent wanting to get into the England squad for the WC and Remy probably wanting to put a horrible personal and professional 6 months behind him. Where better to do this than amongst fellow french speaking players.

    As much as I would love Siem De Jong, I think he is destined for a bigger club than us although if we got him, he would be the icing on the cake. However, I am not hopeful.

    The whole Kinnear thing is perplexing but if he sticks to his off field duties and keeps his nose out of Pardews business, then there is a possibility things might work.

    As for Pardew, as much as we would like to see the back of him, unfortunately, we are stuck with him for the foreseeable future and whilst he hasnt exactly covered himself with glory last season, this season will see whether he has the mettle to learn from his mistakes and get the team playing a good quality attacking style.

    I remain every hopeful.

  • 65 expatmag // Jul 14, 2013 at 5:54 AM

    Argentoon

    Fair comments and when you consider that Wonga sponsor clubs in Blackpool and Edinburgh also which you wouldnt really class as depressed areas.

    Like many on here have stated, the muslim players, including Cisse, had no problem playing in a virgin sponsored shirt last season and as far as I am aware, there wont be a problem for them playing in a shirt sponsored by Wonga.

  • 66 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Jul 14, 2013 at 6:17 AM

    The word “WONGA” just sounds too much like “W……K..R”! to me.

    This whole affair may end up with Cisse being sold? Then we would be left with Shola, Bent and Elliot, oh and Goofy as the only strikers at the club !

    And thats a Frightening thought ? Should of stuck with Virgin, far better reputation and image !

  • 67 nut meg // Jul 14, 2013 at 6:25 AM

    Expat
    Nice post spoken with a calm cool head. I’ve just read a guy on a twitter site who suggests that maybe Cisse went to the gym to take his fitness tests that all the players take on their first day back.Here’s hoping he’s right.

  • 68 elpaso_geordie // Jul 14, 2013 at 6:31 AM

    Cisse has been playing for his country all through the summer and obviously would be still reasonably fit therefore will require a less robust pre season programme than everyone else………………. simples

  • 69 nut meg // Jul 14, 2013 at 6:34 AM

    Newexpat
    Maybe Bent doesn’t want to play in a shirt that has Bent on the back & Wonga on the front lol. I’m only repeating what someone else on here said a short while ago,it made me snigger haha.

  • 70 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 14, 2013 at 6:59 AM

    Cisse trained in the Gym on his own on his first day back. So what? It makes sense to me that he would be separate from those who have been back a week so that they can assess his fitness levels. More media mischief making….

  • 71 bills-son // Jul 14, 2013 at 7:41 AM

    Spotlight @ 16

    Your figures about the interest Wonga and Virgin charge are totally misleading.

    APR is the maximum interest that can be charged on a loan in a 12 month period – and that rate is reached only if you do not make ANY PAYMENTS as dictated by the terms of the loan. People making payments as scheduled ARE NOT charged 5000%.

    Payday loans are meant to be short term ie., days rather than months or years and as they are unsecured and for relatiively small amounts ie., £100s not £1000s the risk and relative admin costs are high which is why the interest rate is also higher.

    If someone borrows £100 for a month they pay back £137, £200 pay back £264, £500 pay back £685.

    These rates are still high BUT the interest added is a fraction of what the hype and hysteria would have you believe and 99% of people blasting Wonga haven’t got a clue what the actual interest rates charged actually are. See above for the facts.

    If you think I am a supporter of Wonga sponsoring NUFC or a supporter of Wonga itself you are wrong. It just pi$$es me off that this 5000% interest rate is harped on and on and on about when the reality is that only a fraction on non paying borrowers will ever pay anywhere near it.

    I bet there are 1000s of people who depend on the likes of Wonga to make ends meet each month and while they would of course rather pay £20 interest on £100 loan than £37 I bet they would rather that than not have the option to borrow at all or have to borrow from back street lenders who would charge more and cut their hand off if they didn’t pay.

  • 72 jeff // Jul 14, 2013 at 7:47 AM

    argentoona? why dont u eat pork? whats wrong with pig? lol

  • 73 jeff // Jul 14, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    never understand why muslim dont eat pork.its a pig lol.religion is weird (no disrespect).

  • 74 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Jul 14, 2013 at 7:50 AM

    @69:

    LOL ! Good one Nutmeg !

    Seriously though, i have seen very few people who have come on here to support Bent actually coming to us?

    Okay he can score goals, and opinions may change if he maybe bangs a few in against the Scum, but heh Shola has done that too in the last few years? Some still hate him on here?

    People forget that when they say Shola should Go, and if Shola leaves then i am sure that Sammy will be on his way too?

    In the last few months, it did,nt matter at all that the Window was,nt open.
    We have seen the most of our targets, or those who were seen on here as our targets, just be snapped up by other clubs, for different reasons known only to themselves and NUFC !

    I was saying for years that we should get Van Wolfswinkel, even when Hughton was our manager, watched him years ago running rings around PSV while he was still at FC Utrecht. We could of bought him then for very little, before he went to Sporting ! Missed Opportunity?

    The same happened with Wilfred Boney, watched him play the local derby against NEC Nijmegen here, and knew immediately that he was something special ! Could of snapped him up then for next to nothing in transfer talk !
    Another missed opportunity?

    Remy i have never really liked, because after listening to all our French Legion he just chose the money to go to a lost cause club, no dis-respect to QPR but they were more or less already relegated when he went to them.
    He could of been playing at St James in front of 50,000 plus crowds every week, but ended up screwing us, and taking the money and the bright lights in London. I think we dodged a bullet there, if convicted of rape who knows who he and his mates would of raped in the night-life in Newcastle.
    Taking that into account, i think i would prefer us to get Bent? At least the lasses in the region could safely go out at night?

    Compare REMY, if you will with PEA, chose Dortmund after we had bid more, good player but definitely destined for a big name club! Can,t say i blame him for not coming to us, Dortmund have CL league next year and are second only to Bayern Munchen in Germany. He will more than likely end up at BARCA or REAL ! He,s gone to where he,s gone for purely for his footballing development and not for the money like REMY ! Good on him!

    To sum up then:

    Van Wolfswinkel to Norwich !

    Boney to Swansea !

    Remy in Limbo and possibly in the Nick come Oct ( some still want him )

    Al met Al this has gone a long way to grinding me down and completely piss me off in the four or five months or so !

    As for Cisse, it would not surprise me if he has just taken his first steps towards leaving us?
    Maybe we can make a deal with Villa and swap him for Benteke?

  • 75 roe997 // Jul 14, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/326354/ apparently we in for rolando. Not much better than douglas imo who would be the better option on a free

  • 76 Jail for Ashley // Jul 14, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    Jeff,
    You are about as Indian as fish and chips but I believe you about being a dim witted 13 year old boy.

  • 77 The puppy formerly known as prince // Jul 14, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    I seriously don’t understand the issue with WONGA, people don’t mind playing in the premier league which is sponsored by Barclay’s Bank the same bank fined £290m for Libor fixing on interest rates!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9360580/Barclays-hit-with-290m-fine-over-Libor-fixing.html

    As for them praying on the week and needy I think you’ll find every money lender does exactly the same, the less able you are to pay the higher interest rate you’re subject to. These rates may not be any where near Wonga’s but nor will they give out short term loans, why, because its not cost effective. Wonga are open and honest with their interest rates which have to be high to make them cost effective for short term loans, no one is forced to go to Wonga.

    As for Muslim beliefs do you believe Muslim banks make no profit of loans – Basically they work your money and take share of profits. It is not technically interest but in the cold light of day in can cost a lot more!

    If Muslims are so concerned surely they wouldn’t want to play in front of crowds whom at least half of had to borrow money to pay for season tickets, or payed by credit cards. IMO this is just personnel jumping on a band wagon for the sake of it, if any one is so concerned why aren’t they tackling the problems that direct people to Wonga in the first place.

  • 78 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    @75:

    I don,t particularly care who they sign as long as they do something?

    It was reported yesterday that we are the only club in the Prem who hav,nt brought anyone new in?
    Not strictly true of course coz FUKinnear has returned!

    Parden my French !

  • 79 bills-son // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:01 AM

    MacToon,

    Solano’s arbitrary opinions are often irrational and driven by a blind hatred of Ashley. Works both ways.

  • 80 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:01 AM

    Seem to remember dekka saying wonga injected money into all aspects of the clubs and the sponsorship would help with transfers and wages
    Wonder if cisse will be taking a pay cut like?

  • 81 Jail for Ashley // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    Wonga is a tacky brand as is SD and Mike Ashley is a tacky man and the fact that he took on this unflattering deal without offering our current sponsors at the time to match or better it smells decidedly dodgy.

  • 82 bills-son // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    Puppy – correct.

    To reiterate;

    Borrow £100 from Wonga for a month and you pay back £137.

    That’s 37% not 5000%.

    But, of course, 37% isn’t an interest rate that the press can make a story out of. So they bray on about 5000% APR which gets the masses shouting and bawling in uneducated uproar.

  • 83 jeff // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    jail lol.ok bro.dont care what you think haha.your comments are some times disgusting and over the top and to vivid

  • 84 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    JFA
    Lol
    Jeff the 13 year old Indian with his step dad who lets him call him dad who is a close friend of Alan pardew
    Pretty sure he actually comes from pennywell

  • 85 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    Just reading on the Teletext here that:

    Norwich have signed Leroy Fer from FC Twente on a 4 year deal ! Alderwereld are being chased by Liverpool ! Why are,nt we going in for Alderwereld?

    Did,nt see that one coming?

  • 86 jeff // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:16 AM

    by the way,indians eat fish and chips lol.even hindu.not picky.

  • 87 bills-son // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:16 AM

    Jail, the two tacky brands you mention are hugely successful businesses and market leaders in extremely competitive markets.

    That success is achieved by offering somehing that customers want combined with a service level that exceeds that of their competitors. You might think they are tacky but their customers clearly do not or they wouldn’t be the hugely successful market leaders that they are.

    Customers dictate the success of brands – its as simple as that.

  • 88 numba9 // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:20 AM

    This season is going to be as bad as last , more players out the door than in … Thought the talk from the club was we need better quality replacements? Well action speaks louder than words

  • 89 Russ and Roll // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:21 AM

    Utter bollocks, seen as he isn’t even back until tomorrow how can he train alone?

  • 90 jonobbad // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    Loan remy until jan with the option to buy for agreed fee. If he gets sent down cancel the loan.
    not difficult and miles better option than bent.

  • 91 nut meg // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    Newexpat@74
    What i would like to ask you as I’m guessing that your based in Holland is if you can give me your honest opinion,without maybe being a wee bit of favoritism or anything of both Siem De Jong & Toby Alderweireld assuming of course that you’ve seem in live action.TV can sometimes give you only some idea & well,nobody plays poorly on you tube do they.I would take Bent but really he’s my last choice.He’s always seemed to be at his best (IMO) when played as the lone striker & his form seems to suffer after the 1st season.I wish you could sign players in order ,like a wish list but you have to do it as & when they become available & I think we need to be right in there for the 2 Ajax guys even though CB is not as urgent as a striker.

  • 92 jonobbad // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    Customers dictate the success of brands.
    not with nufc

  • 93 Jail for Ashley // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    Bills
    “Customers dictate the success of brands – its as simple as that.”
    Shame that doesn’t apply to the business that is NUFC and it’s loyal supporters.

  • 94 Slank // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    If Cisse has an issue with Wonga, which I very much doubt, what is he going to do when he plays against:

    Villa – Dafabet
    Fulham – Marathon Bet
    Hull – Cash Converters
    Liverpool – Standard Chartered
    ManU – AON
    Norwich – Aviva
    Spurs – Investec
    Stoke – Bet365
    Swansea – GWFX
    West Ham – Alpari

    All these clubs have sponsors whose primary business activity is money. And let’s not forget he plays in the Barclays Premier League.

    For those who say that Muslims don’t eat pork, you are partly correct. When the rich Saudis and others from the Gulf States come to the UK they eat pork and drink booze and generally ignore whatever the rules and regs are in their homeland. Some of the best bacon sandwiches are found in Israel.

  • 95 tequilamag // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    Jeff as Hindus are not allowed to Beef you have pretty much blown your 13 year old Indian boy story. Pennywell sounds about right.

  • 96 Black and White with an army lol // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    reports saying we are going for Rolando, couldn’t we pick a even worse defender than him? i wish i never said we are going for rejects because it’s looking that way :(

  • 97 bills-son // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    Jail – if 30,000 fans stayed away for even one home game Ashley’s position would be untenable. If they did it when Sky was televising live they could make a national impact about their total rejection of Ashly’s ownership and still watch the game.

    The public ultimately dictates the success of brands, governments and even football club owners if they show their displeasure by staying away or protesting en masse.

    The only reason why this won’t happen at NUFC is because there is insufficient support from the vast majority of fans to protest by not attending ONE GAME.

    What does that tell you?

  • 98 Black and White with an army lol // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:41 AM

    so far we have 2 top targets from AP and that’s Bent & Remy ( reject 1, reject 2 )

    and now JFK has Rolando as his top target ( reject )

    i wouldn’t be surprise if GC walks out if Newcastle because there’s no way in hell GC had these 3 on his list.

  • 99 mikehooper // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    Good on Cisse for making a stand, Wonga are basically legalised loan sharks who prey on vulnerable people and to have them associated with our club is almost as embarrassing as having SD on the roof of the Gallowgate or plastered all around the ground. Is it a coincidence that they sponsor three football clubs based in areas with high deprivation levels?
    I can see Cisse being sold now because we’ve seen in the past that anyone who disagrees with Ashley is quickly removed, it doesn’t matter that he is our only decent striker because all Ashley cares about is the financial side of the club rather than the footballing one. If he is sold will he be replaced? Maybe but only because we’re targeting a striker anyway. What are the odds on the old ‘we just couldn’t get them over the line’ excuse being trotted out in September?

  • 100 Slank // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    Bills @ 96

    ‘What does that tell you?’

    They all support Ashley?

  • 101 Jail for Ashley // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    Bills,
    It tells me that the only reason we’re still getting full houses are the half price season ticket deals and the cut price bundles, and the stay away protests will happen if we have another season like last.

  • 102 Slank // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:49 AM

    When I started going to SJP in the 1960s there was an old saying something like:

    ‘a clothes line hanging eleven black and white striped shirts would always attract a crowd in Newcastle’

    Same true today as then.

  • 103 Jail for Ashley // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    Slank
    Do you honestly believe that ?

  • 104 gfp13 // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    Cisse trained yesterday in a training top with wonga on it. At first he refused but after a little bit of saying he didn’t want to wear it he put 1 on. So don’t see it as a problem

  • 105 numba9 // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    Boycotting one game is not enough more would have an impact but the fat man already has his money from season ticket sales so in that respect he would not care but frm the outside looking in media would be all over it I see that as good

  • 106 Spotlight Kid // Jul 14, 2013 at 9:19 AM

    Bills son @71

    APR has been mandatory for some time to show the true level of the loan to protect consumers. As such 5853% APR is what Wonga charges. The fact people don’t get hit with 5853% is because the period of loan is short is irrelevant, it is still 5853% APR whether you like it or not.

    This practice of ‘usury’ (short term interest on the interest) is the root of the religious problem as well. Wonga claims it charges 1% per day, which equates to 365% per annum – which is not strictly true as this is a flagrant misrepresentation of the maths, hence why APR was introduced.

    £150 for 18 days costs £183.49, interest £27.99 (+ fees), at 1% per day = 5853% APR as the interest is compounding EVERY 24 HOURS, hence why the interest figure here is £27.99 not £18!!

    (all figures quoted from the Wonga website)

    You are defending the indefensible (again).

  • 107 ToonMatt // Jul 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    Another balls up from Ashley it’s embarrassing.

  • 108 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Jul 14, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    @91 : Hi Nutmeg.

    I,ve been to four Ajax games in the last three years, one at PSV in Eindhoven.

    NEC Nijmegen at home to Ajax ! cracking match, ended 1-1

    One at Vitesse in Arnhem, Luuk de Jong was de striker in that game and Boney was at his best ( that was the game at which the Vitesse Fans were singing Bony M songs at him ).

    Siem de Jong was on the bench and came on as a sub in those days.

    And the last time was a Cup game against FC Twente just last season ! Seen to remember a red card for one of the Twente defenders?

    What basically happened was when we missed out on Siem,s brother Luuk, Siem got a first team place and never looked back after that !

    The Youth system set-up at Ajax is second to none !

    There are, i would say at least three players i would be seriously looking at in the Ajax first team, of which Alderweirld and Siem are included in my list !

    Jasper Cilleson, goalkeeper, signed from NEC three years ago, just made his debut for the Dutch first team in Indonesia !

    Lasse Schone, signed from NEC about five years ago, Danish International, attacking Mid-field. Watched him a lot in Nijmegen before he became an International !

    Jody Lukoki and Niklaas Moisander both strikers who have stated that they would both one day like to play in the Prem !

    So you were right when you stated, that i have a bit of an insight to the Dutch Footballing scene !

    Before all the commotion started on here about Luuk de Jong and Wilfred Boney i had been watching them for years and wanted us to sign them then !

    Swansea and Norwich have both basically screwed us in the last six months or so !

    Hope this helps you out a bit more !

  • 109 fatman // Jul 14, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Spotlight Kid

    spot on @ 106 i think its time for bills to put his red nose on I’m sure his full time jobs a circus clown. either way he seems to make a fool of himself so oftem.

  • 110 MacToon // Jul 14, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    bills-son // Jul 14, 2013 at 8:01 AM

    Solano’s arbitrary opinions are often irrational and driven by a blind hatred of Ashley

    ————————————-

    You could also say that Bill’s son’s arbitrary opinions are often irrational and sometimes driven by a blind hatred of solano!

  • 111 argentoona // Jul 14, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Expatmag

    Muslims should stand up against virgin and any other brands against islamic rules but unfortunately jts never that black and white

    As u can see on here

    there is a difference of opinions in what is the exact meaning written in the holy books.

    Im no islamic tutor so its best to research and ask better qualified people.

    Its funny that if Cisse starts to smash the goals in all will be backing him

  • 112 Chrism // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Cisse is in the gym for fitness assessment as was everyone else a week ago, the same will happen when Cabs comes back . Its a none story.

  • 113 Spotlight Kid // Jul 14, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    For further reference on the Wonga myth (again using Wonga’s own figures, minus fees). This is what would happen if you borrowed £150 but failed to repay it in 18 days as per its own website example….

    In 30 days you would owe them £202.18
    In 60 days you would owe them £272.50
    In 90 days you would owe them £367.29
    In 120 days you would owe them £495.06
    In 180 days you would owe them £899.37
    In 270 days you would owe them £2,202.23
    In a year you would owe them £5,724.19

    Remember fees and any other legal charges will be added to this, hiking it even further – hence 5853% APR.

    CAVEAT EMPTOR! This is how loan sharks take possession of people’s homes and cars, as too many folks don’t understand how 24 hour compounding interest starts to exponentially rack up the initial 1% per day loan amount until it spirals out of control. Still Wonga (WRONGLY AND MISLEADINGLY) claims it charges 365% pa, while still admitting it charges 5853% APR.

    To think this scum company is now on the front of a Toon shirt is probably the worst thing ever to have happened to the club.




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