No Resolution On Cisse Wearing Wonga – Trains In Gym


The Daily Mirror is reporting that Papiss Cisse has been training in the gym,  after returning for pre-season training to Newcastle on Friday, so it seems the WONGA question, whether he will wear the WONGA insignia this season, has still not been answered.

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Papiss Cisse – training in gym at Newcastle

It seems that Cisse is being kept out of sight until some resolution can be reached on whether he will wear the WONGA insignia on his kit in this coming season.

Cisse is of the Muslim faith, and Muslims are not allowed to profit from loaning out money, and therefore he has objected on to ­wearing the logo of the payday-loan company, who charge sky high interest rates to those people who can hardly afford it.

But our former short sponsor Virgin Money also charged interest on loans, so we’re not sure what the real difference is.

It’s also Ramadan and during this ninth month of the Islam calendar, Muslims fast from sunrise to sunset, and during the fast, no food or drink can be consumed – so that makes it difficult for Cisse to train.

The news a few days ago was that Cisse is willing to wear a charity-branded shirt this season, and we suppose that would work, but obviously Newcastle would like all their players to wear the WONGA kit.

The Mirror is reporting this is a stand-off but we think not – it seems appropriate that Cisse stay out of sight until a resolution is reached to this issue – but Newcastle don’t have a lot of time to reach an agreement on this.

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113 comments so far

  • manxpie

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Comment #1

    ed are you being payed by wonga i noticed this the other day but you put wonga in capitals at every oppertunity lol??
    come on own up? 🙂

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  • stuart no9

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    Comment #2

    i really dont get this cisse thing. He was ok with the virgin logo but refuses the womga sign . I dont get it ! can anybody tell me what the difference is ? i’m baffled

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  • Goodfella

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    Comment #3
  • Newcastle Brown Alien

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    Comment #4

    Lets be fair, if they were serving pork for the meals, and papiss didn’t eat it due to religion no one would care, let this be the same.

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  • liamh

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    Comment #5

    I believe that he was training on his own because of the Ramadan meaning he isn’t fit enough to train properly.

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  • manxpie

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    Comment #6

    16manxpie // Jul 13, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    yeah cheers goodfella i think he’s worth a gamble he’s certainly worked his way up gotta be worth it more than bent considering his age

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  • beddersmag

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    Comment #7

    I reckon cisse is making an issue of this as he is angling for a move. Just a hunch

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  • jeff

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    Comment #8

    you dont like pork alien?

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  • Macas

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    Comment #9

    jeff – you get bored of posting under your Ketsbaia alias for today?

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  • potski

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    Comment #10

    Easy:

    Virgin Money are a bank, they have customers with accounts, do savings, insurance, credit cards etc. They are a respectable, honest company, with a nice guy running them. They also inherited the sponsorship deal from Northern Rock, when they took over them, protecting the jobs of many workers in the north east.

    Wonga are loan sharks who exploit the vulnerable and desperate. Their rates of interest are immoral, and illegal in many parts of the world. They should be banned in the UK.

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  • Goodfella

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    Comment #11

    @ 5
    Makes sense

    Manxpie
    Hooper or bent no brainier for me, I’d hate to sign bent!

    Well I’m off later guys 🙂

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  • manxpie

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    Comment #12

    does anyone know if its possible to sue papers or journalists for these kind of reports i’d love to see the mirror doing 1 of them apology statements lol
    and jfk could tell us all how he made them lick his boots while holding a gun to there heads while telling them that they would swim with the fishes if they didn’t apologise!
    he was a don once ya know?? 🙂

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    Comment #13

    @ jeff

    Muslims can’t eat Pork. Must be hard like. Pork Chops, Spare Ribs, Bacon . They don’t know what they are missing 🙂 .

    Got myself hungry now, better go raid the fridge 😉

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Comment #14

    Ironic how footballers on 60 grand a week complain about the ethics of money. I don’t see them campaining for lower ticket prices, oh wait, who would pay their ludicrous wages 🙂

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  • wolfshead@toon

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    Comment #15

    manx

    don > wimbledon v good go to the top of the class 😉

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  • Spotlight Kid

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    Comment #16

    ‘But our former short sponsor Virgin Money also charged interest on loans, so we’re not sure what the real difference is..’

    Well, Ed let me tell you what the ‘real difference’ is:

    Wonga charge 5,853 per cent APR (annula percentage rate), Virgin charge typically between 5 and 12 per cent APR depending on type of loan.

    If I borrowed £100 from Virgin on July 1st 2013, I would have accumulated between £7 and £12 interest by July 1st 2014.

    If I borrowed £100 from Wonga on the same day I would owe them £5,853-00 plus the initial £100 a year later.

    Hope this is clear enough?

    Scumbags, no other word for them.

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  • FatmanJoe

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    Comment #17

    Manxpie

    I have never claimed to be ITK but I do know one of the top lawyers at NUFC and before he went to Oz to watch the lions he said he was working on a huge law suit on a few of the papers over the ridiculous things they’ve done with us recently.

    But saying that, he worked with Derek Llambias so he doesn’t know whether he will still be hired by NUFC when he’s fully back to work or whether he’ll follow Derek out the door.

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  • fatman

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    Comment #18

    stuart

    I too will not wear a shirt with wonga on it, they are thieves and pray on the desperate, i intend to send the money i would have spent on the new kit to bobby’s charity.

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  • Spotlight Kid

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    Comment #19

    *APR – annual percentage rate

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  • Newcastle Brown Alien

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    Comment #20

    Jeff, I love pork, I would hate to be Muslim as I couldn’t eat it.

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  • stuart no9

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    Comment #21

    potski —– maybe so , but virgin still ” profit from loaning out money” that is still the underlying problem for cisse , regardless of morals . virgin still make a profit on loans.

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Jul 13, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    Comment #22

    Not that I like Wonga as a company, far from it.

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  • potski

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    Comment #23

    BPC

    But Cisse works for his money, and is not exploiting anyone. He has a unique skill which is employer is very willing to offer him that sort of money to use to entertain people. Not really the same as ripping someone off who is desperate to pay their electricity bill?

    BTW the differences between Virgin and Wonga are my views. There is not one substantiated story showing that Cisse has a problem with the shirt.

    I heard it was 30 degrees in Newcastle this week. So if you were the coach and had someone who hasn’t trained for a few weeks and can’t drink anything all day because of Ramadan, would you:
    A. Get him to do some nice easy warm up stuff in an airconditioned gym, or
    B. Make him run around outside?

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  • manxpie

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:08 AM

    Comment #24

    cheers wolfshead lol
    fatman well something should be done and i hope ya mate does its rediculous what some get away with it might even add to the transfer kity imagine the headline “redtops help us by messi”! lol
    spotlight kid the thing is that the law muslims live under is they don’t make ANY money of lending?
    so there is no difference mate he either does believe in his faiths stance on it or he doesn’t and both banks n paydays both make money on loans simple as that?
    and as for banks bein respectable where have you been for the last 5 years??

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  • count

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Comment #25

    Good on him. I wouldn’t want to work for wonga either.

    Good to see some voices of reason on here. Not all of you are completely devoid of humanity.

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  • manxpie

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Comment #26

    and the fact that payday loans are actually companies shows the failings of how banks have been run and if there used by sensible people they are handy
    the problem with this whole country is want now pay later thats the issue blame DFS 🙂

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  • manxpie

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    Comment #27

    bloody hell 3mill euro he’s gotta be an upgrade on ober at that price!!!??

    Corriere dello Sport: Roma have had a €3m bid rejected for Marseille target Gervinho, Arsenal want closer to €10m they claim. #AFC #OM

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  • Spotlight Kid

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    Comment #28

    manxpie,

    Ed asked ‘what’s the difference’, I’m explaining the difference between a high street bank and a loan shark.

    This is not a religious issue, it is an ethical one. All the squad should refuse to wear the shirt, and every fan should refuse to buy it. Bolton Wanderers quickly gave QuickQuid the push when fans objected – but NUFC fans were bought off with getting the stadium name back.

    I recall Christopher Columbus pulled off a similar stunt in 1492 when he ‘gave the moon back’ to the natives after an eclipse. Draw your own conclusions.

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    Comment #29

    @ potski

    I don’t agree with either. Wonga are wrong but business is business at the end of the day. Its not as if you take out the loan and then they say “oh, by the way the intrest rates are a million percent” . It is well documented what they charge yet people are still stupid (or gullible enough) to use the service.

    I agree footballers do have specialised talents but I don’t agree with what they get payed what so ever. Those kinds of wages should be for people in the armed forces risking their lives daily. Not to mention footballers supposedly play for the “love of the game” .

    I wonder how many would stick around if they had to play for free. No chance 🙂

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  • mally72

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Comment #30

    Would be nice if someone from the club made a statement to squash this story so papers would stop printing this crap

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  • potski

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    Comment #31

    Stuart

    As I said, I don’t think there was ever any proof about this story. Unless I missed it completely I never read any quotes from any of our players with any objections to the Wonga deal.

    But if Cisse has an objection on religious/moral grounds I can understand it. To say that Virgin and Wonga are no different to each other is to completely ignore the reality of the APR that Spotlight shows very clearly. How can anyone be comfortable with a company that charges interest rates that high? Whether they are Muslims or not.

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    Comment #32

    Also if you want to be angry at someone then it should be the Government. They say what companies like Wonga do is perfectly legal so that tells you everything you need to know about their concern for us.

    I hope they do ban companies like that, but for all we know the Government take a slice of the action in agreement that they keep services like this legal.

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  • Tayls

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    Comment #33

    For thos of you “baffled” at the difference between wong and virgin money. Wonga charges 2000+% APR and prays on the vulnerable! How can people not understand Cisse not wanting to support such establishments!!

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  • manxpie

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:38 AM

    Comment #34

    spotlight kid good history lesson thanks but i pointed out that there is no difference at all!
    payday loans are a business as are banks that lend money that have interest on them loans and have deadlines on paying that money back thats how they make money yeah?
    if you live by ethical values fair enough but you’d be hard pushed to by anything in the street that is truely ethical
    and if i need £100 before i get payed n pay £110 back i.e use it the right way then thats fine by me!
    and what were all these banks doin in the last few years lending money to businesses that would never work n morgages to people that could never pay!?
    if the banks did there job properely and people lived in there means then payday loans wouldn’t be around!?

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  • potski

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    Comment #35

    No use trying to justify them, even the government accepts these companies are targeting the young and vulnerable:

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/money/2013/jul/01/crackdown-payday-loans-advertising

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  • manxpie

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Comment #36

    tayls where not “baffled” mate but the muslim law or way is they can not PROFIT ON ANY LOAN so there is no difference to his true faith because his last sponser that he wore did the same!
    and that apr is over a year when you are supposed to pay it back in a week!
    why isn’t there this uproar for actual proper manipulation i.e parking tickets i seen before that theres 1 issued every 4 seconds (million £ drop) thats hitting everyone and thats the government!! but there the one raising the issue! how does that work!!

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  • stuart no9

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Comment #37

    dont get me wrong , i hate wonga as much as anyone else , i have no time for them , never have – never will , however wonga make a profit on loans – virgin make a profit on loans. it dosnt matter if wonga charge 5million % interest and virgin make 2% interest the principle is exactly the same. as far as cisse is concerned , they both make profit on loans regardless of how nasty wonga are and how lovey virgin are. nice men in virgin- nasty men in wonga ,ALL MAKE PROFIT ON LOANS

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  • manxpie

    Jul 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Comment #38

    potski i wrote my piece before even seeing your post so how does that work then?

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  • Spotlight Kid

    Jul 14, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    Comment #39

    manxpie,

    You, along with many other promoters of these business practices, seek to conflate issues to the extent of minimising a difference of 1000x in the APR payable.

    You also fail to mention that the business practice of pay day lenders is to deliberately target people in need, often before they have had a chance to consult the Citizens Advice Bureau or other agencies.

    Any bank would be out of business overnight charging 5853% APR as Wonga does, but the special conditions (ie lack of proper regulation) that allows these criminals to operate is something that we all should be concerned about.

    Clearly you have little or no sympathy with the plight of the many folks who often through no fault of their own have found themselves in spiralling compounding debt. Your view is of the caveat emptor variety, free market rules, which to an extent I agree with except that this is a squalid monopolised marketplace devoid of any regulated competition.

    This has nothing to do with the malpractices of the high street banks in the years up to 2007, or the bad credit bubble we imported from the USA. As Potski clearly pointed out, this is about NUFC getting in bed with a company that actively bleeds money out of the local economy (leaving other agencies to pick up the mess when borrowers can’t repay, at a further cost to taxpayers) as opposed to a company like Virgin at the heart of the NE economy.

    This will not change until people make their voices heard – as they did in Bolton.

    ‘It’s legal so it must be OK’ is not the mantra the North East was built on, or you would have been working up a chimney from the age of 7. Community ethics and common decency are absolutely key to this fiasco.

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  • manxpie

    Jul 14, 2013 at 1:02 AM

    Comment #40

    and potski weren’t that what banks have been accused of for putting the world in the shit??
    where do you buy your clothes?
    do you have any nike or addidas stuff?
    if so? have a think of the people who made that stuff for ya?
    lets face it the world is the way it is and people seem to choose what they wan’t to give a shit about lol so where all hypocrites really unless your totally ethical are you??

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