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Are Wonga Forcing Cisse Out Of Newcastle?

11:37 pm, Wednesday, July 17th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 197 Comments

The Shields Gazette on Monday suggested that Newcastle may have to sell Papiss Cisse, and that his career was in danger at Newcastle, and now the Daily Mirror is reporting that Papiss Cisse will be sold by Newcastle.

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Papiss Cisse – Wonga insisting on him wearing their insignia?

We know there’s a dispute over Cisse not wanting to wear the Wonga sign for religious reasons, but there’s a simple solution to this, and it’s that Cisse has already offered to wear a blank shirt or else wear a shirt with some Charity logo on it.

That seems a reasonable solution, and was the way Spanish club Sevilla handled a similar situation when Frederic Kanoute refused to wear a betting company logo on his shirt several years ago.

That would seem to be one way to deal with the problem, but as we mentioned earlier today, that would only be possible if Wonga agreed to it.

Wonga is paying Newcastle a reported £24M over four years – the biggest sponsor deal ever by Newcastle – and we have to think it’s Wonga who is objecting to this.

We don’t have any inside information on this, but if you look at what’s happening it’s certainly a reasonable probability, especially for the iconic Newcastle number 9 short, which Cisse wears.

And if this is true, the situation may be a lot more serious than we first thought.

Cisse was not on the flight to Portugal today and was not included in the 23 man squad for the week-long training camp, but if this Wonga deal means we will have to sell Cisse, unless he agrees to wear the Wonga insignia, that would be simply ridiculous.

This problem  is nothing less than evidence that Newcastle have signed up with a company that is not respected in the UK, and certainly Newcastle fans were not happy when this sponsorship deal was announced, whatever money Newcastle were being paid over the four-year deal.

Newcastle have signed up with a company which are a pay-day lender, and these companies charge ridiculously high interest rates to poor people, who often don’t have the credit rating to qualify for normal loans

It’s something that is prohibited in many states in the US, including North Carolina where I live – because of the prohibitive interest rates being charged to the poor.

If the Wonga deal means we have to lose one of our best players, then the deal is simply not worth it.

What do you think?.

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197 responses so far ↓

  • 1 darrenfletcher88 // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    There’s only one person force in cissie out of the club and that’s pappis cissie!!!!

  • 2 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    Maybe some of these footballers should have a thought for the poor souls that make the football boots they wear in third world countries getting paid pennies a week.

  • 3 9 // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    For Heaven’s sake! Cisse goes nowhere, please, boys, don’t contribute to this no-account thread. Shame on you, Ed!

  • 4 darrenfletcher88 // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    @post 3,I do agree what a shite thread!!! Total pap typical media with a big spoon

  • 5 manxpie // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    repost

    370manxpie // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    big pappa have a look at hiadaras twitter profile pic and you’ll get ya answer lol
    el sleeve where do you buy your clothes i suppose its from charity shops
    and your coffee is fair trade??
    or you dont watch sky sports or any advertising firm
    do you no the moral ethics of big companies?
    look what happened recently at a sweatshop in bangladesh?
    most big companies in the world use near enogh slave labour including adidas n nike do you own any of them?
    or do you just choose which morals that fit in to your life?

  • 6 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    TP,
    Okay, you believe the club is run badly, if that is correct, why do you think high profile people at the club tell Lee Ryder the actual truth? At best Ryder is a gullible chap who keeps getting sold down the river by the club(in which case his articles and info are worthless), at worst he is as happy as Peter Beardsley to back Ashley and his plan for mediocrity, in which case why does that make his articles believable.

  • 7 JackButler // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    So it cost’s 24 million to lease your soul for four years!!!!

    Dont blame Cisse if he is refusing to wear that sponsor on his shirt as I myself will no be buying one

  • 8 El Sleeve // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    unfortunately none of us can be perfect but that doesnt mean we cant make choices when presented with them.

    so i suppose you think i should just accept this wonga stuff and put up with it?

  • 9 El Sleeve // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    jackbutler gets it

  • 10 fatman // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    i gave my shirt money to charity, i will also never buy one. some thing are worth making a stand over this is one of them.

  • 11 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    TP,
    You ask what it matters to get exclusives. Well, an exclusive is getting a story before anyone else. So, IF the Ronny were so close to the club they were get them all, yet they only seem to ever get exclusives that end up being incorrect. You say it doesn’t matter if the Ronny get them or not. They are either the closest or they aren’t, if they get exclusives, they are close, if they don’t, they aren’t.

  • 12 manxpie // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    jack come on mate a bit dramatic lol
    so you were happy with northan rock that us the tax payers had to bail out?
    now i dont like the sponsor either but i find it funny how people seem to pick there morals
    so do you live a totally ethical life?

  • 13 darrenfletcher88 // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    Same old toon everything’s a circus! It’s a top with a name on it.wear it for god sake.he dosent moan about betting when he’s in the casinos all the time!! He thinks he bigger than the club players such as Ben Arfa sissoko and check are all happy with it as they are Muslim to just sort it out already!!!

  • 14 El Sleeve // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    not about leading a totally ethical life. not even possible unless u live in a hut in the woods.

  • 15 Jackel001 // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    BYE THEN!

    We have a canny few Muslims in our squad and they are wearing it so whats the problem?

    I’ve seen him and Tiote in aspers casino so so many times gambling…. His belief forbids that.

    He just wants out!

  • 16 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    @ manx

    Or Brown ale. I bet my bottom dollar alcohol has caused more deaths than all the pay day loan companies put together yet people still wear their vintage shirts all the time.

  • 17 JackButler // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    manxpie

    Not dramatic at all mate, go check out their interest rate’s!

    As for northan rock, they were just one of many banks that were bailed out by the tax payer’s but there is a world of difference between the like’s of northan rock, virgin money and wonga, 365% interest is something that no one can openly support

  • 18 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 17, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    All this debate and the story probably has no substance and is completely fabricated. No direct quotes what so ever from Cisse and no indication that he is unhappy. For all we know he uses Wonga regularly :)

  • 19 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    Manx,
    The moral issue is a good debate. Most dilapidated high streets in poor areas have 2/3 bookies minimum. And many of these people in them bet their last 5/10 quid in there. Resulting in being desperate for cash. The patrons are, mostly, struggling to get buy hoping for cash, and end up needing a bit of short term cash to get them through the month (or for another gamble). What is worse, the cause or the effect? Alcohol causes even more social problems. Odd how people pick their ethical battles.

  • 20 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    el sleeve but at the end of the day that company is there because there is a need do you agree?
    and if you use it the right way then you shouldn’t get in trouble!
    but the same government that has begun a review into such companies has give a free reign to gambling companies its shocking the ammount of adverts for such companies!
    but that seems ok for some reason (i wonder why!!!)
    the facts are all companies look to make the biggest profit so if you take such an ethical view on 1 you should all otherwise your the biggest hypocrite around ya can’t use one for an argument then support the rest surely??

  • 21 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    Lilongwe,

    But you do agree though that this is the closest we do get to any sort of information? Regardless of where or how it is collected by the newspaper itself? Whether it to be lies from the club or not is irrelevant to this discussion.

    Im not sure what my thoughts on how the club to be run on the footballing side has anything to do with this topic.

    Your in Lilongwe right? Im guessing.

    Ed posts news daily from the Chronicle’s website, as does many redtop newspapers. Interviews and so forth.

    Your in Lilongwe, without this information from the Chronicle you would know next to nout if it wasn’t for the Chronicle newspaper, sister papers and websites.

    At a guess, 90% of NUFC information what we all adhere to and discuss is picked up and written from the Chronicle.

    I’v got to dash because im at work, I’ll try and comment when I can though.

  • 22 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    JB,
    Northern Rock’s collapse cost some people there homes….. Higher interest rate or a roof over your head? Neither have good business practices, but at least Wonga are open about their’s. Barclays have just been fined 255 or 355 million dollars (Cant’t remember, but one of the 2 figures.) for energy price fixing in the US. Let’s also boycott the premier league for bad practice.

  • 23 jimmysmith // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    People surely take the stands they can in life, but we all gotta swim in the same water. Personally I think there are clear distinctions between Northern Rock, Virgin Money, gambling in a casino and not wanting to publicly endorse Wonga. Plus, I don’t know why and where Cisse draws his lines in the sand, but the word hypocrite gets thrown around too easily, generally speaking, in my view.

  • 24 JackButler // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

    Lilongwe

    And if Northan Rock were charging 365% interest then I would not have bought a shirt with their name on it

  • 25 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    jack go n tell that to the poor people who lost everything when there “promises” weren’t met by northern rock or many other banks?
    but i suppose it was ok because they were respectable hey??
    you have heard of the credit crunch i suppose you know? why the worlds in the shit? and that’s because these respectable companies (banks) promised the world to any rotunda n ketsbia!!
    and guess what?
    thats why theres companies like wonga

  • 26 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    TP,
    Yeah, I’m in Lilongwe, I hear lots other than the chronicle, there are plenty more reputable sources other than those close to. Take a step back to see the fuller picture, sort of thing. Plus other sources, each with a pinch of salt.

    However, I have met, sat next to at youth games, and drunk with Ryder, and I can honestly say he is not knowledgeable. Edwards had better sources, but a chi on his shoulder. The closest to actually printing a semblance of truth in the north east are Douglas and Cameron.

    Have a good shift! I need to get away as well, got a farm visit early doors tomorrow.

  • 27 Eddie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Cisse out, Rooney in. End of problem. Yawn. Burp.

  • 28 brian kilclines pony tail // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    anyone who buys one should remove the sponsor as best they can and carry on wearing the shirt.

    if cisse is being a twat about it he should be held to contract because he didnt have an issue with northern rock who are money lenders.

    This is either a scam to get a new contract which he couldnt sign now surely because it would be selling your beliefs, or a transfer.

    I have to say well done to newcastle for not giving in to a players demands especially when they are contradictory to his previous religious views.

    I want him to leave after showing his true character, i think he showed it in his form last year too, i dont think he likes it here.

  • 29 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    lilo exactly i remember seein a report on the news that a street had 5 businesses close down and every 1 of them were takin over by betting shops they could even fit them in the 1 picture!!

  • 30 i // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    If Cisse does have an issue with Wonga I would be amazed. Virgin lend money, Wonga lend money. Virgin typically charge 4.79%, Wonga charge 400%, but surely the interest rate is irrelevant. I very much doubt it is stipulated in the Koran how much interest a company can charge.

  • 31 Perchinho Pricing Blunder // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:15 AM

    Hi, we’re the British media. What we like to do is put this here 2 in this pot and then this other 2 as well. Then we take this big spoon and stir it up for a bit, etc voila! 5!

  • 32 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    JB,
    Will you still follow the Premier League after Barclay have just been proven to have robbed millions of people by fixing energy prices? The fact is, all large financial institutions have immoral practices. The biggest 10 have paid over 20 billion dollars in fines over the last 30 years because of it. Wonga are open about their extortion, maybe if they weren’t people wouldn’t have an issue???

  • 33 JackButler // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    manxpie

    I will not support a company like Wonga and its slightly confusing that you are ok with it when you have such strong views on what happened with Northan Rock!

    Do you think that people who borrow money from wonga never loose anything?

    Yeah they are upfront with their interest rates but that dosn’t make it right.

    and yeah at the time Northan rock were a respectable company but the fall out was sickening but hindsight has 20×20 vision

  • 34 Bearsize // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    If i had the service cisse had last season i would leave. We were that bad

  • 35 toonie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    You would think players contracts included the wearing of sponsors shirts / logos to avoid this crap.
    Other side of the coin…Please let us have our pride in NUFC back Mike. Is choosing a sponsor like Wonga really showing your class or Yet another poor management move???

  • 36 RonVanDam // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    Cisse is the best instinctive striker we’ve had since Shearer. Would hate to see him go. One of my favourite players

  • 37 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    JB,
    But it is no longer hindsight, and people still use without qualms other established financial institutions.

    Personally, I’m not okay with any of the financial industries but to complain about one who is open about their pactices, and be fine with ones that have been repeatedly fined for bad and hidden practices is very odd. It shows either a lack of knowledge, or a happiness to not care about what isn’t in your face.

  • 38 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    jack please read through my posts again especially the part where i said ” now i dont like the sponsor either but i find it funny how people seem to pick there morals”?

  • 39 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

    @ JB

    You are missing the point. I doubt any NUFC fan in the world would chose a pay day loan company as our sponsor, but it has happened and it is not the end of the world.

    It amazes me to hear people say they will not wear the shirt because it is immoral, yet have worn all previous NUFC kits that are made in third world countries by children in sweat shops being paid pennies.

    Then again it is popular to hate pay day loan companies at the minute. The media will have a new scape goat in a months time.

  • 40 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    Manx,
    I remember being in Consett about 15/16 months ago, within 100yards there was a Laddies, Coral BetFred and Billy Hill. Those 4 were probably the busiest places.

  • 41 i // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    I am willing to bet that if nufc had strengthened last summer by spending a bit of cash and had a good season very few would have any issues with who we are sponsored by. But when things are not going good, people find things to have a problem with. Fans and players alike.

  • 42 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    exactly big pappa and i agree wit post 16 too plus you could add all the gambling that is not just on the shirts but before n during every sporting event is that not targeting the vulnerable

  • 43 croftus5678 // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    does that mean that if something is advertised in the ground you will not go to st james ?

    its only an advertisement and will only be of interest to those who want it and not forcing anyone into anything !

    lets face it barclays premier league is revolved around interest rates yet all these players want to come and play in it ! i get the feeling some people just like attention and look for an arguement when theres no substance to it.

  • 44 Thump // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:41 AM

    Remember when football was about two groups of men scoring goals? Good times.

  • 45 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:44 AM

    Thump,
    That is going back a bit! ;-)

    And on that note, I bid you all good night. See you Friday, when according to the most reputable source, the Ronny, we will have a new signing to discuss. :-)

  • 46 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    aye lilo wat that shows is that people either want it or are hooked but then again gambling aint addictive is it??? :)
    but this has been not just allowed but welcomed by the government probably coz smokers were costing to much money lol
    but again there’s lots of clubs n fans that have no problem with betting companies including media outlets that readily advertise them strange really?
    i mean you would think its all about money wouldn’t ya but that’d be stupid lol
    also on the subject of media how much stick did we get last year about buying french? and then the stories of clicks and language barriers but sunderland are buying loads or attempting to buy loads of italians not a whiff of that?
    i think it shows that the media like to stir up a fuss with us and unfortunatley there’s plenty that’ll take the bite!?

  • 47 blew // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    The answer is for Cisse to ask for a transfer,
    he is a man of principle and will not do that,
    too much money will be lost. He wants a move
    obviously, other muslims at the club are not
    making issue, its about cash and a move.
    Force him to ask for a transfer, which is what
    he wants, the club is doing right this time.
    Get rid of him, there is no room in football
    for religious fanatics and politics.

  • 48 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    I support Cisse in not wearing the sponsor as much as i would any other player of another religious background (Christian, Catholic etc.) who refused to wear their sponsors logo if it conflicted with their beleifs.

    For me its simple, if my boss wanted me to something that I did not agree with (on a religious basis or not), I have the right to refuse, everybody has the right to refuse. Its then up to the employer to then decide what to do….whatever that is……….BUT HE HAS THE RIGHT TO REFUSE and should not be derided as a result…….simple.

  • 49 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    Blew – so all Muslims have exactly the same beleif system? I guess all white folks like morris dancing…..

  • 50 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    offkey i think everyone agree’s with that but the fact is if he’s saying religion is the reason then surely he should have said it when we were sponsored by a bank and if its just on his ethical views on payday loans then his agent needs to release a statement simple as that but his agent seems to be very quite which is quite unusual lol

  • 51 Novocastrian66 // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    If Cisse has a problem move on. Put in a written transfer request and leave. End of. Troubles is he will lose a boat load of moneyif he did. MONEY. That’s what it’s all about and Cisse trying to legitimise it as some sort of noble crusade is absolute bollocks.
    I would certainly respect him more if came out and put in the request and moved on, without all this carry on. However he wants his share.

  • 52 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:57 AM

    Manx – I get what your saying, but there is a difference between assualt and GBH, between a bulldog and a doberman, for me its up to him to decide where that line is. Suffice to say, if it is just to get a move, he should be lynched.

  • 53 croftus5678 // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:57 AM

    @46 offkey

    would your boss be o.k. with you now wearing uniform at work ?

    he has the right to yes but he wore virgin money shirt also everyone in the bpl wears the barclays badge and you can not say well ye you can charge my mate £12pm interest but if you charge £14pm i’m not playing.

    the storys rubbish imo so i dont believe cisse has refused anything tbh ! just media bs again.

    but i am yet to come across someone justifying if he ever did refuse to wear it considering we even had muslins commenting on this blog yesterday and even they said it didnt make sense.

  • 54 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 12:59 AM

    btw i watched a programme on the koran and it showed the many many interprataions on it!
    there is many extremes of how you read it and also people read it to how they want to live there life so really every muslim can have very different beliefs of how the koran should be understood

  • 55 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    Novo – Why should he effectively resign? How about your boss says ‘your walking round the office all day naked’ do you have to resign or can you just say ‘bugger off and lets see what you do when I refuse’.

  • 56 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    @ offkey

    so where in the Muslim faith does it say Virgin money intrest rates ar fine but Wonga’s aren’t ? . It seems like more of a personal thing rather than anything else and Cisse might be looking for a move. Even though I think the story is tabloid rubbish.

    Is Cisse a better Muslim than Tiote, Ben Arfa & Sissoko because he has this belief ? .

  • 57 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:06 AM

    Croftus – No, but the point is if I beleive what my boss is asking me to do is a step to far, I can say no. For example, if my boss said ‘all day you are flushing goldfish down the toilet’ when he approached me and said ‘ now do it to this dolphin’ I should be able to refuse as it is a step to far for my beleifs. (not saying Im a goldfish killer or anything)

  • 58 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    BPC – I think my other comments sort of repond to your point.

  • 59 croftus5678 // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:12 AM

    @55 offkey

    he’s not asking him to do anything he does not want to do m8 he’s asking him to do what he’s under contract to do in wearing the team uniform.

    he’s paid to wear a kit advertising legal products and like said before weather virgin/barclays/wonga they are all the same in a muslim view and if he did not want to wear the kit it will be breaking his contract for imo personal reasons not religious.

  • 60 jamesnufc86 // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    Cisse – taking the piss , it all very well holding obligations to your religion, but you also have another obligation to NUFC, which pay you handsomely. I’m struggling to understand, perhaps as I’m not Muslim, but bet there is more ppl depending on him than he realises

  • 61 jimmysmith // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    “lynched” OMG

  • 62 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    BPC – If two christians want to wear a cross to work, they get told no. If one continues but the other stops on principle, should they just resign or do they have the right to wait to be sacked…….of course its the latter

  • 63 Novocastrian66 // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    Offkey. Poor analogy that I’m afraid. If I had a big problem with the ethics or morals of the company I work for I would leave, probably as soon as I found alternative employment, even if I was losing out financially. The assumption being the company had not done anything illegal, which I do not believe Newcastle have.

  • 64 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    Jimmy- whats the issue?

  • 65 Rake // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    Get rid of him? and play Shola up front all season sounds great….

  • 66 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    Novo – another anology at 60 for ya :)

  • 67 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    plus since the mirror brought it up no other paper has spoke about it not even an inch pretty strange to me?
    and people saying well bbc news and such have said it!
    i remember listening about that train thing in canada and the bbc were saying at 1st “reported 100s dead” then at least”60 dead” then there was something like 15 -20 but they get away with it all the time bigging up stories that really don’t need bigging up then quickley moving on to the next!
    and people saying mick lowes has alot more to lose than anyone on here?
    david craigs still got a job hasn’t he wonder how many things he’s got wrong same as lowes and btw jail how do you think these media outlets make money?
    biggen themselves up or making statements that might come true!

  • 68 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:18 AM

    Croftus – if you look under discrimination legislation it protects against both religion/beleifs

  • 69 jamesnufc86 // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    Well if Cisse is behaving Like this and couldn’t finish his dinner last season I say do it .

  • 70 croftus5678 // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    do christians not have to play football on sundays because they go to church ? and do fifa have a moral obligation to not play any games on sunday because the christian players can not attend ?

  • 71 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:22 AM

    Croftus – They have the right to refuse……….if the employer then wants to sack they can…….whats the difficult issue here?

  • 72 jamesnufc86 // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:22 AM

    Rather have a bloke relishing a situation than twisted about a personal problem, the clubs bigger. That means to me , get him out its Newcastle United

  • 73 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    But isn’t the problem that Muslim faith means Cisse can’t personally use a company like wonga ? . Advertising it inadvertantly is not the same thing at all.

  • 74 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    There’s a stark difference between gluttonously wanting loans from banks, for a mortgage, a new car , home improvements or a gratuitous spending spree and NEEDING £100 to literally sustain yourself through to the end of the month – consumers were just as responsible for the banking collapse as the banks that gave the cash out like nodding dogs. You could argue the people who go to Wonga are responsible for their own predicament, I’m sure some would say that themselves, but we know society is very complex and some people will fall by the wayside and down the cracks.

    And, yes, you can pick morals, in a world with such grey areas. There are degrees of ‘evil’.

    The old foreign sweat shop, paid pennies point doesn’t stand either. Would you rather these people be part of drugs networks, selling their bodies, leading lives of crime, scavenging? They’re paid a wage that allows them to live with dignity, pennies when converted to our currency, yes, but enough to get by in theres. It’s a necessary step in a developing country that’s part of global capitalism; Britain was once in that situation, why do you think families once had 7/8/9 kids on average? So they could send them off to work and bring money in.

    Anyway, I’m out. I get both sides of the argument. There is no correct solution to the mess we call Earthy Wearth – always remember how insignificant everything is on the grand scale of the universe – 1 light year is 5.8 trillion miles, the Milky Way spans 120,000 light years across, just one of approximately 200 billion galaxies in the observable universe: the Cosmos is 13.8 billion years old and you’ll be here for 90 if you’re lucky :D

    Ahhhhh….

  • 75 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    By the way I work in employment law and is why I am saying everybody has the right to refuse to do something even if under contract- its the way of the world

  • 76 jimmysmith // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    Offkey, no issue, thought it was unfortunate unintentional choice of word but funny, rarely if ever take issue with stuff posted on the blog, no agenda!

  • 77 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    BPC – please stop thinking in terms of just religion. Say my boss asks me to start coming to work five minutes earlier, he has the right under my contract – do I have the right to refuse and be sacked? is that morally wrong?

  • 78 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    offkey they do have a right to refuse but i think if it was a real issue we’d definatley heard from his agent by now infact dont agents work on interests from deals? :)
    what a can of worms hey? lol

  • 79 Chrism // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    Might have something to do with the high earnings Anzhi are rumoured to have discussed with his agent.

  • 80 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    Jimmy – agree mate, but you see from my posts I didn’t mean it in that sense.

  • 81 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM

    Manx – I completely agree – I think it may just be down to Ramadan, but hey, debates all well and good.

  • 82 croftus5678 // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:30 AM

    there is no difficult issue just that “if” cisse every did refuse to wear a shirt with wonga on it there would be no religous reason behind it ! as virgin/barclays/wonga all do the same thing.

  • 83 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    bring back wat are you on about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the only universe is nufc stupid :)

  • 84 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    @ offkey

    Stop thinking in terms of religion ? . Isn’t that what all of this is about at the end of the day ?

  • 85 Novocastrian66 // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    Offkey; most companies will have rules and regulations outlining what is acceptable and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. They will be covered in the terms and conditions of employment and the code of practice.
    If anyone is treat unfairly, poorly or asked to do something unreasonable there will probably be a grievance procedure to try and resolve the issue.
    Newcastle have done nothing wrong. I’m of the opinion that Cisse is manipulating the situation for his own ends. Newcastle to their credit, which has not been mentioned by the way, are trying to resolve the situation. If Newcastle decide they’re not going to change the shirt Cisse has a choice to make. Accept the clubs decision or move on.
    Newcastle have not done anything unreasonable or asked Cisse to do anything unreasonable. The choice will be his ultimately.

  • 86 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:36 AM

    yeah debate is good offkey lol and how nice it is being respectable hey? (cue john f******n tudor)!! :)

  • 87 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:36 AM

    Correction

    *we’ll be here – I include myself, as I wasn’t implying I’m a omnipresent, omnipotent deity, if I was, I’d have sure as shite made it rain in the UK by now :)

    Good night, amigos!

  • 88 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    Croftus – I really cant understand where your coming from mate. As I said, the law covers religion and beleifs, thats the way I see it. It doesn;t have to be written in an old book to be part of beleif system that should be protected.

  • 89 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    yeah debate is good offkey and how nice it is bein respectful (cue john f eckin tudor!!) :)

  • 90 t00ntime // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    So wait its Wongas fault that cisse wont wear Wonga because they get profit from loans? YET will wear a bank and play in a league sponserd by a bank… No Wonga is well with in their rights to say everyone has to wear the shirt. Thats why they paid so much. They didnt pay 24mil to have the player that will (hopefully) be on all the back pages for scoring not to wear the shirt.

    If Wonga said to him fine but then you have to pay us the difference. (so the estimated loss.)He works for us and we pay him thousands for it, yet he has the right to say no to the sponsor thats paying for his wages? fine his wages get docked 50% and the other half goes to Wonga, everyone happy… Bet cisse wouldt agree to that…

    If he is causing a rift, sell him. He was sh1t last season and we’re likely bringing in bent who is just as good as Cisse judging by his awful form last season. Imo if cisse leaves because of this, he just wants an excuse to get out. Wonga might not be the nicest company but they are 100% Legal. Cisse needs to grow up and realse he has already sponsored a company who profits from loans.

  • 91 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:41 AM

    BPC – see 85 – I may have religious beleifs and a further beleifs system based on top of it. See this on green beleifs http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/green-beliefs-win-legal-protection-1814180.html

  • 92 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:41 AM

    Night ladies ;)

  • 93 Novocastrian66 // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM

    There is an issue with the sponsorship. If it was anything else Cisse would have been seen in the club’s official training kit by now. Even if it was him just walking from one building to another.

  • 94 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:48 AM

    Novo – Uniform policies are generally exactly that, policies open to change. If my employer brought in a new uniform policy that say encouraged the sale of tuna e.g. buy john west its scrumpcious. I have the right to refuse to wear it on the basis dolphins get caught in nets, I dont have to raise a greivance. I can simply refuse on principle and there is nothing wrong with that, I am not saying anyones wrong, I am just saying he should have the right to refuse, they can choose to sack if they wish. As soon as there the law saying otherwise, its the end of free will in the workplace.

    Manx – I try to be polite – some bring the worst out in me :)

  • 95 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    See ya Bpc

  • 96 croftus5678 // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    @85 offkey

    i dont understand either !
    i get race and religion hammered into me daily at work as i have a customer focused job but i also have retail law experience in a strict company for the past 11 years but i must admit i have never heard the fact that someone can just make up a belief out of the blue that does not have to come into a religion of some sort of parchment as form of evidence !

    and to sack a person if it was a religious belief would be breaking the race and religion act surely ?
    i know our contracts at work are as tight as they can possibly be but discrimination against age/race/religion ect ect and health and safety are extremely frowned upon and punished thoroughly.

    which was why my opinion was that cisse’s casecan not have been religious and if broken would surely be a breach of contract and liable to be sue’d with him not playing for a club (unless agreed) untill his contract is finished !

    i doubt cisse would do this.

  • 97 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    yeah novo but the issue is why?
    have a look at hiadaras twitter profile pic wit sissoko and arfa looking very happy with them wearing the training kit plus ober looking very confused s always lol!

  • 98 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:00 AM

    well i believe personal beliefs should be exactly that and never ever be pushed on to someone else in any situation!
    they have there beliefs n there own choices should be based on that and fair play to them but if it effects people that aren’t in the same belief then there’s summit wrong really isn’t it?

  • 99 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:05 AM

    Croftus – See 88 – It may be a breach but the point is they have the right to sack. You could work in your company for 20 years, been the golden boy, but they can sack you for no reason. Yes, you could make a claim, but the right is there to sack the person, otherwise the law would provide not compensation but a guarenteed right never to be sacked, I have never seen this.

  • 100 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:06 AM

    Can I just say I am an aethiest.

  • 101 YorkshiresFinestGeordie // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:09 AM

    Try to look at it this way, everyone on here has a belief of hating Sunderland, so would you support them by wearing their shittyy strip whilst getting paid 50k a week.

  • 102 Novocastrian66 // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:09 AM

    There will be something somewhere in Cisse’s contract that he has to wear the club’s official kit while on club duty. This will come down to whether Newcastle United are being unreasonable or not.
    If your company said you have to wear your uniform and you refused you would have to have reasonable grounds for not wearing it. You would say your dolphin loving tendencies are justifiable cause. The company would then decide if there was just cause for you not to wear the uniform or not.
    If they decide it is not and insist you wear the uniform, you would then decide either to accept the company’s decision or leave. If you decide to leave you would then probably take out a constructive dismissal case against the company.
    The real reason you wouldn’t wear the uniform was you hated the company and wanted out. Nowt to do with a long affection to dolphins because they reminded you of your childhood holidays in Amble.

  • 103 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:11 AM

    me too offkey but i respect other beliefs but it is strange how you don’t see athiests going around “preaching” and telling everyone isn’t lol

  • 104 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:11 AM

    Novo – or you can stay, refuse, wait to be sacked and make the easier claim of unfair dismissal.

  • 105 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    yorkshire ask johnson n danny graham?!! :)

  • 106 Novocastrian66 // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    Manx; I would look at the twitter thing you were on about if I knew how.

  • 107 t00ntime // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:15 AM

    yes i’d wear the Sunderland strip for 50k a week… Anyone who says otherwise is lieing imo. The reason Cisse would say no to wearing something he doesnt like is because he knows he can go elsewhere and get the same money wearing something he likes. If his career was over if he said no, he would wear the shirt 100%.

    50 grand a week. thats 2.6mil for wearing a sunderland shirt 38 times for 90minutes in a year…

  • 108 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:15 AM

    Novo – then at tribunal – if you managed to win (maybe unlikly) you could then ask for reinstatement ( rarely happens if the company refuse though)

  • 109 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:19 AM

    Toontime – thats your beleif and you have no right to hold it ;)

    Manx – Yeah I understand that, I dont agree with everything one example may be teachers wearing headscarfs that cover there face, I would say that facial expressions is a key part of learning and therefore shouldnt be allowed. But they can say, well I am doing it anyway and wait to be sacked.

  • 110 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:19 AM

    see if this works novo prob not coz i know know shit about computers lol

    Massadio Haidara
    Massadio Haidara Verified account
    @MassadioHaidara
    Massadio Haïdara Football Player Professionnel in Newcastle United FC And National Team France Espoirs
    Newcastle

  • 111 t00ntime // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:19 AM

    lol. erm thanks I guess :P

  • 112 Novocastrian66 // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    Offkey. It would get messy, my point was however the reason for not wearing the uniform had nowt to do with dolphins or in Cisse’s case Wonga. It’s something else really. Cisse is manipulating a situation for his own ends. In reality he couldn’t give a toss who sponsors the club.

  • 113 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    nope that didn’t work lol but i’ll describe it,
    it shows ober looking confused n hiadara n sissoko n arfa laughin n anita lookin 3 ft tall all wearing the wonga training kit

  • 114 Novocastrian66 // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:27 AM

    Manx. Don’t think that worked. I’m on my phone though.

  • 115 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    Novo – see my answer to toontime at 106. I know its all conjucture at this time, but I have met/seeen enough strange (no offence intended) people to know they have beleifs that I dont agree with, it doesn’t mean they are acting shady (although there is that possibility)

  • 116 Novocastrian66 // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    I get the picture. Not literally. Cisse’s non appearance speaks volumes. Maybe Ober was thinking ” Isn’t Cisse supposed to be here?”

  • 117 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    https://twitter.com/MassadioHaidara

    Haidaras twitter profile

  • 118 Tayls // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:40 AM

    Some of you lot are unbelievable. This is a man who is standing up for his beliefs. This whole”virgin lend money too why didn’t he have a problem with them” thing doesn’t wash either, Wonga and other payday loan companies are different to your average bank and are wrong for obvious reasons. I thought we as a human race would look up to someone who took a stand and didn’t just sell his beliefs! I know it’s difficult to do such a thing but Papiss looks like he’s doing just that, hats off to him.

  • 119 Novocastrian66 // Jul 18, 2013 at 2:50 AM

    Offkey; my thoughts and experience is that people use religion as a justification for an action or inaction when it suits their individual needs.
    I have known some very religious people and the most devout tended to be very tolerant of other people’s beliefs. They would not do anything that they truly believed was wrong regardless of circumstance and with the minimum amount of fuss. Unlike Cisse.
    Great craic tonight, offkey. Good to have debate without someone resorting to abuse and name calling, which tends to be the norm on here now.

  • 120 manxpie // Jul 18, 2013 at 3:02 AM

    tayls jesus i suggest ya look through the whole thread before having ago! wat religion are you?
    novo haha nah i think he was lookin at the football n thinkin wat the hell is that!!

  • 121 Bearsize // Jul 18, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    Sell cisse, sell shola. A striker will be attracted to nufc if he has no competition. Maybe even a good one. Deep thoughts

  • 122 breadman // Jul 18, 2013 at 4:00 AM

    It’s ridiculous how he is playing in a league that is sponsored by a bank charged for fixing rates, ran by people who destroyed the economy, getting an inflated amount of money fueled by a massive amount of football betting and wore a shirt last season sponsored by a loan company and yet now he’s got a problem with it because of the % change. Loans are loans, if he wants to make a woohaa out of this, the way i see it, is just because he wants an excuse to want out. No way should we give to his demands, what will HBA, Tiote do then? Ask for similar treatments, destroying the internal spirits?!? No player is bigger than the club. Not Ginola, Not Carroll, and certainly not Cisse, especially after a dismal season that he had. Disgrace. He ought to shut up and get his ass onto the pitch and train hard for the fans who have supported him through thick and thin. Not get all personal over this.

  • 123 potski // Jul 18, 2013 at 4:02 AM

    BPC

    Using child labour is not a sin in the Koran, nor is driving an expensive car, nor is fixing energy prices in US by Barclays.

    But one of the seven major sins in Islam is usury: the practice of making unethical or immoral monetary loans. Right up there with believing in other gods, murder, witchcraft. All cannot be forgiven and will condemn someone to hell.

    Gambling and drinking are not major sins. These can be forgiven. The Koran forbids them, but they are not guaranteed to send someone to hell, if they are repentant and do other good works.

    As well as Muslims not drinking and gambling themselves, Islam forbids investing in businesses which are involved in these areas. I think the other Muslims in the team could be using this as their get out – that although the strip they are wearing is advertising usury, they are not directly investing in, personally promoting or gaining from Wonga.

    There are also defences in the Koran of necessity, for example a Muslim could eat pork if they were required to do it, such as if they would starve if they didn’t eat it. They might argue that although they fundamentally disagree with Wonga and think they are a sinful, that their contracts with the club don’t give them any choice but to wear the strip.

    It’s quite possible that the club have told the Muslims this to try to get them to put-up with Wonga logo. I don’t believe that any of them actually “agree” with the sponsor, and would feel entirely comfortable with the shirt.

    For a club that had done great things to bring Muslims into the PL and promote understanding and respect for their beliefs, this has been a complete PR disaster. I wonder how many Muslim players would consider signing for the club in future, and how is this going to enhance the clubs position in other countries?

    Arguments that Cisse is in breach of contract, and can be kicked out is rubbish. We all have the right to refuse, but when someone does it for religious reasons they are protected by Human Rights.

    And he doesn’t have a normal contract of employment. In any case, why would the club lose the £9 million transfer fee – they can’t end his contract and the sell him, he would be a free agent. Why do you think the thug Bowyer and the thug Barton were not sacked? What sort of message does that give about our club, that they would honour the contract of someone who went to prison for a vicious cowardly assault, but not for someone who’s beliefs cause him difficulty with this unpopular sponsor? And what does it say about some fans who would even suggest it? Are they that narrow minded in support of Ashley or against Muslims that they are prepared to disrupt the season, run the risk that we have no recognised striker and cause the club financial loss. Wonga are not paying £9 million more than another sponsor would. It’s cheaper to sack Wonga off, and that would be much more responsible and popular.

  • 124 breadman // Jul 18, 2013 at 4:07 AM

    May i add, there is nothing wrong opening a bank that charges 500% interest, IF NOBODY WANTS TO BORROW THE MONEY, THEY WONT BE AS SUCESSFUL AS THEY ARE NOW. Its a choice, I am okay with them as long as they dont lend to those under 18, adults should have the mental capacity to think and make decisions, and we should respect them for that. Wonga is upfront about it, how about those banks that charges you misc fees and tell you otherwise?

  • 125 breadman // Jul 18, 2013 at 4:09 AM

    Let’s not be a hypocrite and spell what’s right and wrong based on a book. Ultimately, everything in life is a choice.

  • 126 Santon03 // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:12 AM

    I agree with Gonz, the muslim players are fasting.

    FYI (especially for Lilongwe)
    Fasting month is not always the same month every year, they are using muslim calendar. They started fasting one month before ramadan, next year ramadan will be end of July.

  • 127 Alan_Pardew // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:16 AM

    @ 120

    Spot on potski. Great read. Well balanced comment.

  • 128 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:17 AM

    I’m getting worried that the kanoute patch might not be ok for Cisse. There’s no way Ashley would cancel the Wonga deal: 1. It would lose him money and 2. He could never let himself be seen as capitulating to the demands of a player.

    If so we’ll have Darren Bent as our main striker and that could well mean relegation.

    It’s obvious now that we’re not gonna be spending any proper money this summer. It was pretty likely as soon as that insulting pretend article on a “source” telling sports direct news that Newcastle had bid for Rooney.

    That was truly insulting and practically demeaning. Treated us like children he could distract and keep busy with fairy tales.

    And ironically now, when he is seemingly available, there is absolutely no sound of interest at all (not that it’s likely, just shows how stupid he really thinks we are).

    I’m expecting 1 ~5m signing just like last year with a few youngsters. Looks like it’s never going to be any more than that meagre offering (considering the absolute millions of pounds gained from the new T.V. deal!)

  • 129 jonobbad // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:57 AM

    It says official but ive no idea if it is.
    i still dont like the home shirt even if the wonga sign is black.
    What do you guys think?

    http://thespectatorsview.com/2013/07/17/official-puma-release-newcastle-shirt-designs/

  • 130 davis_toons // Jul 18, 2013 at 6:34 AM

    Sir Bobby have manager RONALDO and he knows what a quality player got to have.

    Sir Bobby is a Big name manager. He is already well learned when he come to us.

    Where AP is different, the biggest club he manage was WH and his standard was far below par of our fans exception. (KK erra and BR erra)

    He is just learning on here so he needed more time adapt and he needed someone to help him on his T.knowledge and coaching.

  • 131 davis_toons // Jul 18, 2013 at 6:35 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XzvUicZRpY
    S.Bobby was in there together with R9.

  • 132 Jail for Ashley // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:04 AM

    Cisse out 10M, Bent in 5M another 5M in the coffers, debt stays same at 130M, books show our best ever owner takes nothing out of the club.

  • 133 one Tony Green // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:05 AM

    Cisse is as bad as Ashley and obviously thinks that we are thick. I have seen Cisse in Casinos, he is going out with a none believer, sleeping with his girlfriend out of marriage do me a favour. He wants out but the greedy little parasite does not want to lose a signing on fee.

    Some of the people preaching on here about Wonga need to apply this to all the banks who have shafted the taxpayer royally, with the bail out, ppi scandal, libor scandal etc.

    I would also hope that the I will never by a toon shirt with wonga mob on do not buy, apple or microsoft products, drink coffee from starbucks use google all corporations who have paid not a penny in tax here in the UK.

    You need a job to get a Wonga loan, you know the cost before you take it out so if you are so stupid to take one that is your problem.

  • 134 Barras // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:06 AM

    Cisse in not out. I think we should support him.

  • 135 one Tony Green // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:11 AM

    @120 What drivel

  • 136 jonobbad // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    Difference between wonga and virgin imo.
    cisse has a bank lets say its virgin. He has his wages in and spends it how he wants.
    He doesnt have to borrow money and pay back interest.
    With wonga the only service you get is loans. With extremely high interest.
    That is big difference.
    Im not religious but i can respect our no 9s beliefs.
    Surely all of this should have been thought about when we were signing the deal with wonga in the first place.
    Everything we do lately makes us look like amateurs.

    Still as long as we dont sign bent…

  • 137 bills-son // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:25 AM

    One tony green @ 130

    Another common sense post that tells it as it is.

    If this is true about Cisse he is making an utter fool of himself. His duplicity in wearing a Northern Rock and Virgin shirt but not Wonga defies explanation. If his religion bans interest then it doesn’t matter what the interest rate is – just as it doesn’t matter whether you steal £10, £100 or a £1000 quid its still theft.

    If Wonga allowed Cisse to wear a charity shirt they open up a can of worms that could lead to other players wanting to drop the logo in favour of their charities. Just because Kanoute was allowed to wear a charity logo doesn’t make it the roght decision or mean that Wonga should follow suit.

    I respect anybody’s right to follow their religious beliefs but as you say by gambling, having sex before marriage and having already worn the shirts of momey lenders Cisse has totally lost the moral high ground if he is refusing to wear a Wonga shirt.

    I am 100% with the club and Wonga on this one.

  • 138 jonobbad // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM

    Its kinda like comparing my nephew with my local texaco garage because they both wash my car.
    It would be interesting for a muslim fan/reader to give us their views on this.

  • 139 jeff // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    team for next season

    elliot
    santon colo willo mbiwa
    debuchy tiote anita
    cabaye bent jonas

  • 140 Jail for Ashley // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:33 AM

    I’m not going to get into the religious, political or morality of Wonga but it’s looking like yet another ill fated decision by our shambolic ownership, it’s fitting that the other club that displays the Wonga logo is owned by the despised rapist and dodgy businessman Owen Oyston

  • 141 jeff // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:34 AM

    what do you think of my team jail?

  • 142 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:35 AM

    OTG
    Absolutely spot on mate

    So what would the feeling be if after all this he turns up in the shirt at the start of the season with a shiny new contract in his back pocket?

  • 143 Ben3arfa // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    Instead of signing players, the club is busy sorting out this mess

    pathetic state

  • 144 jeff // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:38 AM

    we should sell cisse and get bent.similar age and player type.more money.more englishmans.

  • 145 jeff // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:38 AM

    we need home ingrown talent

  • 146 Jail for Ashley // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:39 AM

    jeff,
    You’re about as Indian as Federation export.

  • 147 Toon_Tom // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:43 AM

    jeff how on earth can you say bent and cisse are “similar players” ???

    Bent couldnt get a game for Villa, lost his pace and past his best.

    Although Cisse’s form wasn’t consistent – he still manages to bang them in and score the goal of the season the previous year.

    On his day Cisse is Class – on his day Bent is a good goal poacher!

  • 148 Toon_Tom // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:44 AM

    This is how bad it is – I am starting to want to hear another interview with JFK to see what the hell he is up to!

  • 149 bills-son // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:45 AM

    One thing I do agree on is that it was a bad decision to have Wonga as a sponsor. Ashley should have forseen the bad publicity that vould arise and the last thing he or the media’s joke club up North needed was more bad PR.

    Imo it is the worst decision Ashley has made – if it was Llambias’s idea Ashley should have killed it. But, having entered into a contract that they have to honour it and play the piper’s tune.

  • 150 Toon_Tom // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:46 AM

    bill – Bad Publicity is still Publicity… when it comes to running a business Ashley is no mug so he would have forseen all of this so muct have his reason why, to us, he would make such a shambolic decision!

  • 151 jeff // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:46 AM

    no idea what ferederation export is lol.must not have it over here lol

  • 152 Toon_Tom // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:47 AM

    give it up Jeff

  • 153 Ben3arfa // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    bills

    Ashley called St James Park (the Sports Direct Arena)

    That scumbag doesnt realise how tacky his business practices are

  • 154 cyprus // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    For what it’s worth, if this story is true, I’m with you on this Ed. Damn you, Wonga.

  • 155 Jail for Ashley // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    Bills,
    As decisions go, do you think it’s as bad as renaming the stadium or putting technocrat Dennis Wise in charge of footballing decisions over twice European player of the year, how about letting a dinasouar with heart problems run your team then re hiring him, what about the bold decision to weaken a team that finished fifth before a European campaign or sacking a manager who just managed to finish higher than ourselves with arguably a poorer squad …….

  • 156 south coast toon // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:56 AM

    its simple you dont own the club papis were the shirt your paid to wear the only thing that should concern him is the badge on the front, thats who you play for and who pays you money, your in the barclays premier league if you dont keep up payments on your morgage you could loose your house god grow up papis if he dosent want to wear the shirt fine go fish papis

  • 157 bills-son // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Wonga put the name back to SJP.

    The guy you call a scumbag has bought HBA, Tiote, Cabaye, Santon, Debuchy, Cisse, Mbiwa, Sissoko, given long term contracts to Krul, Colo and STaylor, screwed £35M out of Lpool for AC and paid off £130M of the clubs debts by giving the club an interest free loan.

    Some scumbag.

  • 158 Toon_Tom // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:02 AM

    Bills – were does Ashley get his money from – sponsors, deals and us fans so theoretically you can say WE bought all those players!

    The only person we have to thanks for recent aquisitions is Carr – not Ashley.

    He is a good business man but has no f’ing idea how to run a football club!

  • 159 bills-son // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:03 AM

    Jail, its the worst decision he has made imo because it is irreversible for four years and its was a knocking bet from the start that it would cause big PR problems.

    Having said that it will all be mostly forgotten if we have a good season. And to do that we need a holding CF, a fast winger and a big physical CH. If we dont get those I’ll slam Ashley and Kinnear if we struggle.

  • 160 criticalsteve73 // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    What would happen if all football teams used money lending/gambling sponsors would cisse not play professional football I don’t think so, I don’t agree with some of my companies policies but have to get on with them what is more confusing is why other Muslim players except the sponsor surely there religion states it’s right or wrong to support this issue not some do some don’t seems to make a mockery out of it if that’s the case

  • 161 WWYCD // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    We agreed a deal with Wonga months ago why wasn’t this resolved before now?

  • 162 bills-son // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Toon-Tom, you have obviously never managed at a high level if you believe that.

  • 163 Dannyo // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    WWYCD
    £100.000 question mate.
    We’d all like to know, but no one is quoted on this, ever.

  • 164 ToonDanno // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    Without mike Ashley our club would be in a lot of trouble financially. They only way were get big big signings is champions league football

  • 165 WWYCD // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Dannyo
    There may not be quotes mate but there is clearly an issue in need of solving but looks like our management buried their heads in the sand again

  • 166 ToonDanno // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Jumping to conclusions is the main problem :)

  • 167 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    I’m backing Cisse all the way
    He signed to play for Newcastle United not to advertise Bongo Bank.

    Reading between the Lines – looks like Bongo Bank are running Newcastle United – got to wear branded kit when training, travelling and playing.
    Next supporters will have to wear only Bongo Bank team tops at matches.

  • 168 PAULNUFC // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:12 AM

    Im not pro wonga but the put the name ov the ground back to is real name I am glad ov that fcuking sports direct arena …..what….

  • 169 Dannyo // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:12 AM

    WWYCD
    I’m baffled by it all. I’ve worked with 100s of muslims, asked some of then Q’s about this on what their book says, and they say principally, there’s no difference between a bank and Wonga.

    That’s basically as far as I’ve gotten.
    If we sell Cisse, then we sell Cisse. I don’t mind selling him, but I’m very much against the timing of it.
    Several of our targets has gone to other clubs and we’re yet to bring in even 1 striker. 1 in and 1 out, and we’d still need another two.
    Horrible.

  • 170 yorkymag // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    This whole Cisse affair is pretty ridiculous
    He has or his advisors have engineered a position of no return this can only be for one reason ,a move away
    We should not be be too worried in my humble ,he is an average player scores great goals but misses far too many ,he is not a predator .
    I would not compare him to bent or others directly but he will not get you the 15 to 20 goals needed from a number 9
    Yes he will score the spectacular but not the quantity needed
    It will be interesting to see if his moral values allow him to play in Russia where their tolerance of others is questionable
    It is simply another greedy footballer after more more more
    Nothing at all to do with wonga
    Or maybe everything to do with wonga!!!

  • 171 WWYCD // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    ToonDanno
    Jumping to conclusions? So there is no issue with Cisse/Wonga/NUFC?

  • 172 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    Yo
    Why indeed
    We announced this deal back in October!
    So either the club has been blindly ignoring the situation or cisse has seen a way out or leverage for a new contract after a poor season

    Criticalsteve73
    It’s a catch 22, perhaps if footballers didn’t demand such extortionate wages then clubs wouldn’t need to go to such companies to increase there revenues

  • 173 Black and White with an army lol // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    i said yesterday that i might know what MA is up to and now i think it’s really going to happen soon or during this season and it will by all means end in disaster.

    1) MA seems to be wanting has been players over the age of 28+ years old so his under 26 years old transfer policy is out the window.

    2) MA wants to sell the club for over 200 million and when offered that much he suddenly raises the price and haggles any body for more.

    3) he hires a DOF who’s only going for as stated at number 1 has been players.

    4) TV money has disappeared without a trace.

    5) re-named SJP to sports direct arena without even considering fans opinions.

    so in conclusion when it’s going bad it’s gone bad and there’s one more thing MA is gonna do and it’s this number 6.

    6) (conclusion) MA will by the end of this coming season or sooner will eventually sell the club to another person leaving the other person with a squad with no sale on value ( hence at N’1 ages over 28 ) leaving the other person a decision to either sell the lot and bring in top players and getting in a load of dept for many years to come OR use what he has got and wait for a relegation disaster to start anew or give up and reclaim his money back.

    this is not facts but it could actually happen.

  • 174 Slank // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:18 AM

    Have to agree with Tony Green @ 130

    Cisse either wants out or a big pay rise.

    It has nothing to do with his religion or Wonga. He is contracted to wear the shirt. If he wants to wear a shirt sponsored by a charity, that’s fine so long as the charity pays his wages.

    The club must make a stand as players cannot apply their ‘principles’ otherwise Catholics would object to Durex sponsorship, Jews wouldn’t play on Saturdays or with Muslims , Devout Christians wouldn’t play on Sundays or with Muslims and Jews, Jains and Buddhists wouldn’t play on grass as insects would be killed, Sikhs wouldn’t head the ball, Christian Scientists and Jehovah’s Witnesses would refuse the club’s medical treatment, and Welsh players would refuse to play unless a sheep was tied to the goalpost at the training ground and wellies provided by the club. Where would it all end?

  • 175 WWYCD // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    Dannyo
    Principal there is no difference but realistically there is a large gulf between a regulated bank (fair enough they have been in trouble of late but still) and companies like Wonga so maybe Cisse is picking and choosing how he feels about them but doesn’t make him wrong. And, imo, in a modern world the management team should of identified this issue before signing up with the company with questionable morals, strikes me as naive

    As for selling Cisse if its our choice or we receive a huge offer its acceptable but if we sell him for around what we got him for because of Wonga? Joke

  • 176 Rotonda heights // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:20 AM

    I’d love to see wonga pull their sponsorship. Wonga are one of so many mistakes by Llambias, thanks god he’s gone but some mistakes were built to last.

  • 177 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:21 AM

    See Sports Direct profits are up 40%. Hard to say but I’d rather see Sports Direct logo on shirt than some parasitic bank logo.

  • 178 Slank // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    Rotonda,

    Wouldn’t it be great if Wonga pulled their sponsorship and then the club doubled ticket prices to compensate for the loss of revenue?

    Who could possibly object to that?

  • 179 lesh // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    Agree with a lot of what you’re saying but……. get out of bed the wrong side this morning?

  • 180 Black and White with an army lol // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    Charlie in the Gallowgate

    that’s a good comment, i mean why hasn’t the SD logo been on the shirts hmmmmmm???????

  • 181 WWYCD // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:24 AM

    toonarmydownsouth
    Aye Cisse (or more his agents) could be using this for his own gain

  • 182 Shedzzzaa // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    how comes cisse had no objection to wearing virgin money? they lend money with high intrest rates, fair enough it isnt as high as Wonga but it is still the same principle. They take peoples money with no second thought about it.

  • 183 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    ToonDanno
    So far you’ve got nout right, not sure why this is any different!!
    If there is no issue then he’ll be way off in terms off fitness come the start of the season so I ridiculous decision to leave him behind and miss pre season

    Charlie
    Our clubs no different to any other, all clubs have sponsors on there kits and training gear and players are under contractual obligations to wear it
    Just like every club

  • 184 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    Black And White With An Army Lol

    Because sports direct were never are kit sponsors!!!
    They had SD plastered all over the stadium and training gear ffs

  • 185 Keith in France // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:28 AM

    Why would Wonga want to force Cisse out ? it makes no sense.
    In fact, if I was Wonga’s Marketing Director I would let him wear an unbranded shirt – just think of the publicity.
    Every time he is on the pitch people will remember Wonga.
    It would also show a more caring side to them (I know they are not but it would help)- all good publicity.
    The fact that Cisse wore the Virgin Money logo without problem would indicate that perhaps he or his agent is using this as an excuse for a lucrative move -without making him look the bad guy.

  • 186 Roger // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    Please let them go. Some day the islam fanatics
    plays only with the BURKA.
    Cisse becames thousand of pounds in one week,
    the normal supporter can dream of it.
    And what do Cisse with all this money. When Cisse
    sent all this money to his home country, then and
    really then can say he don`t go onto the pitch
    without the new WONGA dress.
    Let them go…..

  • 187 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    toondoonsooth
    Not all some teams management arrive/travel in suits with club crest on jacket pocket – I would rather see that – gives a much better impression of the club.

  • 188 jimmysmith // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    Wonga are a bunch of arse, but the new home kit with the black and white logo looks alright, it’s a piece of design genius to pull that off.

  • 189 Jamiemac // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    Maybe loan deals are being agreed for Bigi and Haidara

  • 190 jimmysmith // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    I’d wager Wonga will intervene to resolve this Cisse saga amicably with some PR master stroke. Really their PR is top notch compared to ours. I suppose out of necessity.

  • 191 jeff // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    my friend in the know said theres much more to this cisse debacle that what has been shown on the surface

    he said cisse had a disagreement with pardew over the phone.and he would email me more details.keep you guys posted
    #Connections

  • 192 Harley // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:41 AM

    He’s a hypocrite if this is true. There is absolutely no difference between virgin money and wonga other than interest rates. And I bet it doesn’t mention apr in the little rule book of Muslims!!
    It actually must be a really big book as there’s new rules every day in it!

  • 193 croftus5678 // Jul 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    when demba was on ramadan last time and not scoring it was blamed on fausting !

    maybe its just a case of pards “learning” and thinking theres no point taking a player starving himself to play friendly’s as it would be beneficial to the player for more lighter work while he’s not getting proper nutrition.

  • 194 Greebol1892 // Jul 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    100% SMOKESCREEN.

    He wants out – simple as. Same as Cabaye, just too frustrated with the manager’s lack of ability/nous/tactics.

    No.23 will be 1st choice cos AP will not let him go.
    £10m from Cisse goes straight into coffers & all is rosy cos we have Campbell & Gouffran as back-up. Even though signing a striker should be no1 priority, we will probably only sign De Jong in reality.
    It does not take THIS LONG to sign a striker if we are serious about it. Although I do seem to remember signing a certain Sir Lesley Ferdinand at the last minute……..

  • 195 magpiedom // Jul 18, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    Cisse and Ed are being a tad naive. Why don’t we all live in a nanny state? People who can’t calculate interest and work out whether or not they can afford something are ruining it for those who can and need such a service, in dire circumstances.

  • 196 ToonAsia // Jul 18, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Hi Ed, i think this guy is mocking your site
    http://www.newcastleunited-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/this_guy_claims_wonga_want_rid_of_cisse_800303/index.shtml

  • 197 magpiedom // Jul 19, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Just checking back to see if there were any further comments further to mine and saw that other website mocking this one.

    I have to say I read this site alot less recently due to some of the suspect and senstionalist stories kicking about.

    On the whole, I also agree to that website’s standpoint on the Cisse situation.

    However, this site doesn’t deserve to be mocked. It’s a top source of debate on varying topics to do with NUFC and Ed I salute you (hope you’re reading this although I know you get alot of comments)…

    I just wish you wouldn’t spin things so hard that they just come across as totally incredible at times.
    Anyhow, we’re all entitled to our opinions and if we don’t like it we don’t have to read it.

    Keep up the good work, it’s never boring that’s for sure!




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