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Cisse Racially Abused By English Defense League Members

5:05 pm, Thursday, July 18th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 63 Comments

There have been reports that Newcastle United striker Papiss Cisse has received racist abuse from the Newcastle – English Defense League on Facebook.

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Papiss Cisse - receives racial abuse

Papiss Cisse is a Muslim and all the news this week has been about the failure of the player, Newcastle United and Wonga to reach some agreement, after Cisse has refused to wear the Wonga logo because of his religious beliefs.

We thought a solution may have been that Cisse would wear a plain Newcastle shirt, but it seems Wonga has an agreement with Newcastle, according to the local Newcastle press, that all players must wear the Wonga insignia.

The news being reported is that the EDL (English Defense League) members have been sending the player some abuse on Facebook, and the Northumbria police are launching an investigation.

Chief Superintendent Dianne Winship had this to say:

“We have been made aware of abusive comments made on Facebook.” “Northumbria Police take all reports of abuse very seriously and inquiries are being conducted.”

Ged Grebby, Chief Executive, Show Racism the Red Card said

“This shows what some people who associate themselves with the EDL really think. As an organisation the EDL claim to be against fundamentalists.”

“In reality, it is all too common to see racist behaviors online from people who identify themselves as EDL supporters and at their demonstrations, directed at Muslims and Islam as a whole.”

“The dispute between Cisse and NUFC has nothing to do with fundamentalism. It is about an individual’s right to their beliefs. Yet the members of this Facebook group think that warrants racist abuse.”

“We would encourage everyone to look behind the EDL’s rhetoric. It is good news that Northumbria Police are trying to identify the perpetrators of this abuse.”

Racial abuse is never good, and we hope this situation can be quickly contained, and Cisse has every legal right to refuse to wear the Wonga insignia for religious reasons, whether people agree with that or not.

The expressions of hate never did anyone any good, so again we hope this thing can be nipped in the bud.

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63 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    This was coming and some on this blog are fuelling this………some comments have been right out of line.

  • 2 kevymartins // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    English can be right b@stards sometimes, go watch your fcuking cricket.

  • 3 magicbus // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Gather the edl up and drop em in the north sea

  • 4 scout // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Id refuse to wear it on moral grounds
    How can a firm charge this much apr legally???

  • 5 Spoof // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    This is becoming way too political, Ed why have you fuelled this, surely you should be trying to stop this and not adding fuel to the fire, there are too many people who do not realise how inflammatory their comments can be too others.
    Its a football forum, it should be kept to football and not politics or religion, there are other outlets where those subjects can be discussed, so lets leave those discussions there and lets not bring them here.

  • 6 kevymartins // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    Cisse is a fcuking living legend, You would never in 100 years see any English cnut give more than half there wages to their home town week after week saving lives.

  • 7 Jail for Ashley // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    I think if Cisse is angling for a move he has been poorly advised or he needs to make a statement that it is not a religious issue but an ethical one on the grounds that wonga preys on the vunerable where as alcohol companies prey on the likes of me.The EDL aren’t really qualified to make statements as a large percentage of their membership are illiterate.

  • 8 Markaccus // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    Kevy

    I think cisse is a great player too. On his day.

    I also like cricket as i have a very open mind when it comes to sport (except for golf)

  • 9 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    JFA -but it can be a religious issue…..there can be no argument in that

  • 10 scout // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Very bad homework by the club in my opinion, surely it should have been suggested that muslim players might have an issue with the whole saga. Special dispensation could be granted I’m guessing wonga are worried others will follow suit.

  • 11 Mister Tuff // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    The club deserve no credit for all this mess. They should of had this sorted out behind closed doors weeks ago.
    I posted months ago that there would be more trouble involving Wonga. Truly amateurish -another PR own goal.
    Offkey -I understand the Crusades but do not get the relevance in respect of the Cisse discussion.

  • 12 thepict // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    A friend of mine went to the anti EDL rally in the town the other month, one of the EDL brain boxes was giving a speech and said they teach their kids to read the kerang . Just shows the mentality of the douche bags.. Definitely trew the wrong thing away when they were born.

  • 13 Markaccus // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Scout

    Agree. Both the club and wonga have dropped a b0ll0ck on this. One or both of them should have checked.

  • 14 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    tuff – just an analogy thats all, well thats what I saw it as

  • 15 OhSholaAmeobi // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    It’s not on this like, can’t go around slaughtering and being racist to our own players. Besides there has yet to be a single word spoken from the club or Cisse himself about the matter – it first appeared in the Mirror or the Mail or something – renowned for printing crap.
    If I remember rightly the papers tried to bring up a similar issue with the virgin money thing saying that the like of Ba, Cisse, Cabaye and Ben Arfa wouldn’t wear it – which had no substance to it whatsoever.
    Even if there actually is an issue from Cisse with wearing Wonga i’d imagine he’d come to a compromise with the club and the sponsor and it would be kept behind closed doors.

  • 16 Markaccus // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    Thepict

    Hahaha at kerang

    “And lo, mohamed went to see Metallica. And he did proclaim that James ul hetfield al mosher totally rocked the venue” \m/ (-_-) \m/

  • 17 potski // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Tads

    I think JackButler is probably right. There have been stories circulating about the issue since the Wonga deal was signed, Ed reported on it last October:

    http://www.nufcblog.com/2012/10/12/is-wonga-deal-really-a-problem-for-newcastles-muslim-players/

    But since none of the parties involved have ever publicly commented about it, the prevailing view on this blog seems to have been that this was a made-up story, until Cisse didn’t get on the plane this week.

    What’s interesting is the quote from a Muslim leader, which probably explains the difference in views amongst the Muslim players:

    “We have the rulings of the religious law and we have the individual’s choice and decision on how they want to follow or not follow that rule.”

  • 18 Jail for Ashley // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Offkey,
    I understand that but if he’s to come out of this with any credibility he needs to say it is a moral issue rather than religious as he’s already worn a virgin shirt and according to one poster an alcholic beverage company with Freilberg.
    Kevymartins.
    I’ve always thought you a tw@t and now I know it.

  • 19 Spoof // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    Tuff
    the reference to the crusades was too show that you can’t tar all with the same brush, people of the same religion or belief can still have different views on what there beliefs are, meaning that just because Sissoko, Ben Arfa and Tiote are ok with Wonga doesn’t mean that Cisse having a different view is either right or wrong.

  • 20 Tommyy // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Kevy – You need to be careful what you say before you quickly cross the line of stereotyping and generalising toward the English.

  • 21 Markaccus // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Potski

    I was saying earlier that some muslims are more strict than others, just like any religion. Trouble is many westerners assume they are all fanatical nut jobs with exploding back packs.

  • 22 kevymartins // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    @JFA Go send cisse racial abuse since he is a Muslim fcuking disgrace man.

  • 23 John Tudor // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    ahh golf a true gentleman’s game
    no cheating,
    no slagging off of an opponent,
    yes a true gents game

  • 24 scout // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Didn’t realise cisse sent so much money back to where he’s from must be very satisfying knowing you’ve helped so many people out. If only he would come out and explain it would make things more understandable

  • 25 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    JFA – There seems to be a lack of understanding here, some feel there religion requires them to wear headscarfs some not. Some feel they have to cover whole face some just the hair. Who are you or I to say that is not a religious belief, or one of these is right and the other is wrong……

  • 26 kevymartins // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    @Tommy Im just saying I bet he wouldn’t have got this crap if he was still in Germany and it would have been resolved quickly.

  • 27 Sazzer // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    My guess is that Cisse needs more time to recover from the injury he got against Liberia and the press is all wrong on this.

  • 28 Markaccus // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Spoof

    Yep, it is just like the difference between a baptist and a methodist. Different interpretations of the same rules. Its bonkers really :D

  • 29 Jamiemac // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    @GFN_France: Jean Michel Aulas has confirmed our reports that Lyon are talking to Newcastle and Aston Villa for Bafetimbi Gomis. #OL #AVFC #NUFC

  • 30 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    Tommy – I took it as a type of satire (if thats the correct word) I may be wrong

  • 31 DevonToon // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    So… How do we plan to watch the toon now the Premier League has obtaind High Court orders to block FirstRow Sports from streaming live matches?

  • 32 John Tudor // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    and i can’t wear a crucifix for work as it upsets people
    jeeze and i am a vicars deputy

  • 33 OhSholaAmeobi // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    It is currently ramadan. Maybe he’s not going to play in any friendlies and train separately till then?

  • 34 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    I wonder how many muslims will be inclined to sign for us now

  • 35 Jammy-D // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    wtf did cricket have to do with it ?? and why all the racially charged statements…

    Used to love reading this blog and following peoples statements and opinions….. recently though Im quite sick of the abuse, hate and borderline racism towards posters.

    Get back to the banter, well argued statements and interesting (sometimes wrong) snippets of information on transfers

  • 36 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Devontoon – there will always be a site – the pirate bay is still up and running you know through proxies etc.

  • 37 John Tudor // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    devon you could move to where the injunction is void or travel and pay to watch
    im sure there will be ways

  • 38 stan anderson // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    With regards to having class players,we may have some good players,but they are,nt the top players i long for to compete with the best in the world,Messi ,Ronaldo,Van Persie,most of the Spain national team,ETC.ETC.We dont have the coaches or manager to get the best out of what we have got,they would ruin the best if we had them in TOON.

  • 39 viv // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Did the EDL, ask Cisse, to wear a Wonga shirt?

  • 40 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    Kevy

    You do know that by defending Cisse against racial abuse you yourself have generalised and prejudged an entire nation of people? Do you see the irony in that?

    On topic, racial abuse has absolutely no place in society. I do think Cisse is using this as an excuse to wrangle a move, if indeed he has an issue with Wonga, but in no sense is racial abuse or sectarian abuse a justified response.

  • 41 The puppy formerly known as prince // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    It would be nice if Cisse highlighted exactly what his issue is? the worst thing and about football is all the speculation! Especially at NUFC.

    Until there is a direct quote we’ll never really know.

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  • 43 viv // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    Gay muslims go to ramaman!

  • 44 kevymartins // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    @Jammy I didn’t mean to defend every english person like jesus, but seriously like you can’t possibly agree with them giving him racial abuse can you disagree that there b@stards?

  • 45 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    I should clarify “this” as the Wonga debacle and not the racist abuse.

  • 46 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Kevy

    The EDL don’t represent the views of the English people. You are aware of that aren’t you?

  • 47 Jail for Ashley // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Kevymartins,
    I don’t understand why you are dncouraging me to go and give Cisse racial abuse on religious grounds.

  • 48 Tommyy // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    Satire induces a certain humour, Kevy did not. Not saying he meant it, but there is a line and it is ever more easily crossed these days.

  • 49 viv // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    The race card gets played too much!

  • 50 Spoof // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Offkey
    that depends upon there own views, the deal was announced in October 2012 and it didn’t stop Sissoko from signing and hopefully it won’t stop Ben Arfa from signing an extension either.

  • 51 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Ruddy – whether you believe it or not, if you state as fact that this is not a religious issue, that is potentially insulting to a Muslim who believes it is and that is why I took issue with your previous post – the way you said it above is a bit clearer.

  • 52 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Think we’re all in agreement that racism is an unacceptable part of society, it is wrong to give anyone abuse on the grounds of race or religion, so before this becomes a whole big issue that encapsulates the entire evening’s conversation can we draw a line under it?

  • 53 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Spoof – their own RELIGIOUS beliefs. People of the same religion can have differing religious beliefs………why cant others understand this simple concept.

  • 54 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    Offkey

    I never stated that the Wonga sponsorship was not a religious issue, nor would I condescend to someone’s religious beliefs, however, the point I was making was that if Cisse was indeed a strict practising Muslim he would have had issue wearing the Virgin Money shirts on a point of principle, he evidently did not have such an issue, which brought me to my line of thought that he shouldn’t have such an issue with Wonga, other than the fact that they are morally worse than Virgin, albeit not principally worse.

  • 55 Quasimodo's tailor // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    Kevymartins – you are a hypocrite. How can you criticise the EDL, and then call all English “cnuts”? Give your head a shake laddie.

  • 56 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    Ruddy – Say I am a Muslim, I may believe that wearing the Vigin Logo is ok as it is reasonable interest, maybe not in line with strict beliefs but still my religious belief would be it is ok. However, I may feel wonga is not reasonable and therefore against these beliefs, this is my religious belief, it may or may not be protected by law – I dont want to argue with you but if you look at the clarity of the comment I had issue with you might start to understand, alternatively it may have been my reading of it…….I am not infallible

    I dont and didn’t feel you held/hold those views and that is why I responded in the way I did

  • 57 potski // Jul 18, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    Yes, there are at least seven different “schools” within Islam. There are also what are known as “Cultural Muslims are religiously unobservant, secular or irreligious individuals who still identify with the Muslim culture due to family background, personal experiences, or the social and cultural environment in which they grew up.”

    So no real difference with Christians, where they can’t agree on all religious matters, and there are also some who would state officially they are Christian but don’t go to any church etc.

    There are also clearly cultural differences. Someone in Saudi Arabia might for instance take a different view on many aspects than Muslims who have grown up in the Western world.

    Cisse for example is from Senegal, which was a French colony. Although the majority of the population are Muslims they do not have a constitution based in Muslim teachings. They have normal banks and Cisse and his community will probably have wide acceptance of banks like Virgin Money (Northern Rock as was), Barclays etc

    What they don’t have is people who charge interest at over 1,000 % APR.

    I really don’t see how anyone can think Virgin and Wonga are in the same league?

    I don’t know if Senegal has any legal restrictions on usury (immoral, excessive rates of interest), but many countries do, and surprisingly perhaps this includes many Western countries. Canada for instance has a clear statement in it’s Criminal Code that 60% interest is a “criminal interest rate” and anyone charging that is liable to up to 5 years imprisonment or $25,000 fine.

  • 58 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 18, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Offkey

    We’re both reasonable (ish) men. Let’s just say the initial comment may not have carried sufficient clarity and that is what started the dispute, clarity has been introduced and hostilities are now at an end.

  • 59 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    :)

  • 60 Offkey // Jul 18, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    I am usually far from reasonable

  • 61 toon kk // Jul 18, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    If someone wants to be religious thats upto them. But the wearing of a shirt shouldn’t be a problem.
    I know wonga rip people off but imo they know what they’re getting into when they borrow the money. I wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole.
    Players know they have to wear a strip for there club and most have advertisements on them. We all have to do things in life that we don’t want to do.

  • 62 AndyMac // Jul 18, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Racist abusers are generally from the lower spectrum of IQ levels so it’s no surprise that they target minorities because they are a minority race too. Hopefully thick unintelligent “knuckle draggers” will eventually become extinct !

  • 63 mot7 // Jul 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    wonga is part of nufc income together with tv and gate money.
    So mr cisse you are benefiting from wonga and does your bank give you interest on your savings i think it might .
    What about the strip and your boots that are made in some sweatshop by some poor bloke on 10p a day were is your support for them poor buggers .
    What about the people that are paying to watch you your ripping them off more than wonga .
    So shut your gob get on the pitch or piss off.




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