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Newcastle Lose 3-1 To Rio Ave With Poor First Half Performance

8:09 pm, Saturday, July 20th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 219 Comments

This game was over after 26 minutes tonight,  when Newcastle were 3-0 down, after falling behind 2-0 in the first nine minutes of the game, when some slack Newcastle defending led to two goals from 20 year-old Egyptian striker Ahmed Hassan.

newcastle at rio ave

The Newcastle team before tonight’s game – with Cabaye captaining the side

Newcastle kicked off with a decent starting eleven, but it seemed the defense was asleep for the first 10 minutes of the game as Newcastle conceded two poor goals, and both goals were scored by 20 year-old Egypt U23 International Hassan.

After 6 minutes Rio Ave went ahead after Del Valle sent in a cross from the right which was put beyond the reach of young Jak Alnwick by 6’3″ striker Hassan.

And then Hassan scored his second a short three minutes later,  as he was just given too much time and space  when he got inside the box, and there was some rather slack marking from the Newcastle defense.

Newcastle tried to come back from this disastrous start and Yoan Gouffran headed the ball wide, as Rio Ave were passing the ball around well and keeping possession well, and Newcastle were chasing shadows – or so it seemed.

And would you believe it but Rio Ave got their third goal after 26 minutes and Del Valle advanced down the left, as Steven Taylor challenged him, but Del Valle was allowed to cross the ball, and Newcastle again failed to clear the danger and Braga hit the ball in from just nine yards out and Newcastle were getting hammered 3-0.

Captain for the day Yohan Cabaye did try to rally the side and the French International had a couple of decent shots that were off target, and then just before half time Yohan hit the post with a great effort, but apart from that Newcastle were very little threat to the well-drilled Portuguese side.

At half time Newcastle were 3-0 down and had been second best, and it had been a poor performance from the Magpies.

In the second half Alan Pardew made five changes and  introduced Elliot in goal and Sammy Ameobi, Cheick Tiote, Gabby Obertan and Moussa Sissoko.

Gouffran and Obertan had decent shots as newcastle upped their tempo at the start of the second half,  and Newcastle were not starting to press and Shola Ameobi was then brought on for Yoan Gouffran.

And after some good pressure from Newcastle, the Magpies got a good goal, and it was Shola Ameobi who converted well after 76 minutes, from a good cross from winger Gabby Obertan.

Mike Williamson then gave away a penalty late in the game,  although the infraction seemed to have taken place outside the penalty box, but Rob Elliot made an excellent save from Lima to keep the score down.

And that was it,  as the final whistle was blown, and our first defeat of the pre-season, and a rather disappointing display from Newcastle, especially in those first 26 minutes, but an improved performance in the second half at least reduced the deficit.

Alan Pardew cannot have been happy with the defensive display by Newcastle in the first half, and it’s an area Newcastle must improve on, after leaking 68 goals in the league last season, the worst goals against record ever by the Magpies in the Premier League.

It seems the sooner Coloccini is fit and ready to play the better, but Newcastle rely far too much on the Argentine in defense, and we missed him big time earlier this year, when he did his back in against Southampton.

But we have to remember it’s only one game – and we shouldn’t over-react – and the lads will have to learn from those mistakes in that first half.

We now play Pacos de Ferreira at the Estadio da Capital do Movel on Tuesday night, with an 8:00 pm kickoff, and we will probably see Newcastle captain Fabricio Coloccini in the starting line-up.


Rio Ave: Ederson, Tarantini, Hassan, Diego, Braga, Vilas Boas, Dias, Marcelo, Lionn, Del Valle, Wakaso.

Newcastle United: Alnwick (Elliot, 46); Santon (Williamson, 70), S Taylor, Yanga-Mbiwa, Dummett; Cabaye (Tiote, 46), Anita (Campbell, 76); Marveaux (Obertan, 46), Vuckic (Sissoko, 46), Gutierrez (Sammy Ameobi, 46); Gouffran (Shola Ameobi, 62).

Goals: Hassan 4, 9 Braga 26, Shola Ameobi 76

Bookings: Vilas Boas 43

Referee: Pedro Campos

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219 responses so far ↓

  • 1 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:11 PM


    It’s very important for the future of this club that Pardew is sacked with immediate effect and it’s also very important to let the players that want to go also leave with immediate effect.

    Cabaye wants to go so let him go

    Cisse wants to go…the wonga thing’s a load of bollocks…he’s wanted to go since April…so let him go.

    We need to clear the decks and only have players at the club that want to play for the club managed by a manager who know’s what he’s doing.

    Change is needed and it needs to happen to now or we lose another season

  • 2 Toon Avenger // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Is Alwnick good enough to be 3 keeper? = nope

    Is Dummet ready to push Santon over Haidara? = nope

    Is Guti the answer at LW? = nope

    Should Cabaye be played at DM? = nope

    Should Pardew know these answers already? = yep

  • 3 alext109 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    And Shola has injured his arm. First game he has featured in so far this pre-season (?), and he gets injured.
    The sooner we get some strikers in the better. Hopefully very very soon!

  • 4 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Not overly worried about the overall score but worried that
    A) we still start games on the back foot, 3 goals in 26 minutes is a major concern
    B) we still playing the same formation
    C) Steven Taylor is still starting games

  • 5 Noah Another Ameobi // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    if we get gomis and remy this should be the team 42121
    debuchy colo mbiwa santon
    anita sissoko
    remy gouffran

    if cisse stays he could play insted of gouffran

  • 6 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    out done by a 20 y o egyptian
    wow says a lot dunnit

  • 7 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    So Pardew moaned all last year that the squad wuznt big enough, yet he says we’re ok in defence and midfield. We haven’t signed any purples. He makes it up as he goes along.

    Europe or not, performances and results do the talking, not his flat out lies.

  • 8 Toon Avenger // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    I did the Ameobi dance once, back in 2003, and since then I’ve thought he was shit.

    Over a decade of pure crap and he’s still here.

    Why us?

  • 9 woodsee // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    I hear there busy altering the scoreboard at the ethihad ,so it fits 3 figure numbers

  • 10 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    At least we know its the same old Pardew, rubbish! So sack him before it gets to late.

  • 11 Toon Avenger // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    Steven Taylor is crap also and is quickly becoming the new Shola.

    Earning a living because of where he’s from rather than the ability he has.

  • 12 puretoon // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    To be honest I can’t see this next season being any different from the last horrible, boring and inept season with Pardew at the helm. I know it’s only a friendly but Williamson’s up to his same old tricks in causing yet another penalty! same old, same old…..he’s not good enough and never will be, BUT Pardew’s reckoning him into the team no matter what so doesn’t bode too well.

  • 13 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    give him the reserves to manage in fact give him the corporate restaurant to manage
    and yes he will cokk that up

  • 14 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    Pardew should be using pre-season to experiment…not practice playing the same way we did last year which everyone but Pardew knows was absolutely cr@p

    the man is a baffoon…he’s trying to perfect playing badly and here’s me thinking he did that last year.

    Am I a rambling idiot or am I missing something??

  • 15 Toon1978 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:20 PM


    3 years at the club and our scouting system should give Pards a clue as the where the players are best suited.

  • 16 woodsee // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Only we could get beat off a team with avenue in its name,i hear where playin the cast of coronation street next

  • 17 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    toon1978…that’s why carr and Pardew fell out last year…Carr scouts and recommends players that can play football…we buy them and then Pardew plays them out of position and plays hoofball hence the big fallout.

    Pardew must go…it really is as simple as that

  • 18 jordijohnty // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    dont care any more

  • 19 Chrissie Waddle // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    i’m gonna wait four more games before passing judgement!

  • 20 puretoon // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Laurent @ 7-couldn’t agree more! but looks like this is going to be the way for next 7 years as Pardew aint got the balls to leave and blames the whole mess that was last season on the ‘turmoil of the Europa cup’ !! so much for the Champion League placing that are lies! God knows what the players were told to get them to sign up cos don’t think tenth or below was in their brochure.

  • 21 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    Chrissie…didn’t the 50 odd games last year give you a clue as to what to expect this year??

    What makes you think he’ll pleasantly surprise you?

  • 22 Rotonda heights // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Why do people think Pardew is magically going to change
    his mindset. He jokingly claimed his teams are always on the front foot and play exciting attacking football and that last season was just a blip. His CV would suggest otherwise.

    I don’t think you could find anyone so diametrically opposed to the KK philosophy. Could never imagine KK or SBR saying thy were so pleased not to have European football. Pardew is a total loser.

  • 23 bzak12 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Back to same old tactics, cant defend so revert to old faithful hoofball tactics. Instead of spending cash on new players use the money to get rid of the clown.
    Until then nothing will improve.
    Pardue hasn’t a clue!

  • 24 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:33 PM


    Your a rambling idiot. (Sorry) but you asked.

    To put all the short comings to one man and the manager of this football club is mental.

    Every man and his dog knows Pardew has been dealt a bad hand in his time here. He has his faults, but no way is he to blame for the current turmoil. He could of did alot better with the proper support which he should of had.

    Im well aware the buck stops with the manager. But not in a scenario when you have someone like Mike Ashley as owner.

    No other football club would operate in such a way.

  • 25 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    any one gonna stick up for the shambles

  • 26 Bearsize // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    Wow shola scored. That will add 50p to his transfer!

  • 27 puretoon // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    Pardew had the bloody nerve to accuse Carr of finding lousy players too! think that’s how they fell out. Can’t believe how arrogant and ignorant Pardew is when he aint got any right to be. Can’t stand the man (and I use the term ‘man’ very loosely as mouse would be more befitting)-infact can’t abide any of the board.
    Roll on Jan when I can cancel my season ticket debit.

  • 28 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    rotonda…sad thing is he wasn’t joking! :-(

  • 29 Rotonda heights // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    I blame llambias for the 8 year deals, crap management and wonga but ash isn’t blameless either.

  • 30 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Nowt has changed – looks like Goufran is going to be the sacreficial substitution this season to!!!

  • 31 AndyMac // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    jordijohnty says

    “dont care any more”

    Yepper until we rid ourselves of this halfwit clueless manager and the equally inept Director of Football, we’ll waste another season struggling in the bottom half, early exits from the Cups and playing Russian Roulette in the January transfer window.
    Its Bleedin’ Groundhog Day all over again :(

  • 32 t00ntime // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    @laurent robert

    1) He always said our squad wasnt big enough TO COPE WITH EUROPA LEAGUE AND PREMIER LEAGUE. Dp we have EL next season? nope
    2) He still hasnt said the squad is big enough, he has just narrowed it down to the fowards department isnt big enough.

    AP saids plenty of stupid things, no need to make more up

  • 33 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    I’m not Pardews biggest fan what so ever but we have tonight the same squad minus our star striker, longest serving keeper and a few other blokes who lost their last three home games 10-0 yet Pardew is sh!t and our best ever owner is a legend for bringing financial stability whilst still keeping the services of this silver tongued lethario, be careful what you wish for Ashley lovers because the not so silver tongued but silver haired bufoon is waiting in the wings for results like tonight.

  • 34 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Its a total cock-up from top to bottom. Even if Pardew gets new players in, he will blow it. The guy is a loser!

  • 35 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Puretoon. I’ve mentioned a similar thing before. He won’t walk, not because he can handle the pressure blah blah, it’s cos this club is the pinnacle of where he can get to.

    As I’ve said before, he’s literally blagging his way through being paid his wages as for some reason Ashley thought it was a good idea to employ the prat.

    The quotes of him name-dropping Jose recently were overly cringeworthy for me to hear.

    He loves the limelight as it fills his ego. Yet he’s actually extremely poor at his job at this level.

  • 36 elan // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Pardew out people !!!!!! Who do we replace him with ???? Manager of the year working under Ashley the bloke deserves a medal

  • 37 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    toon-prodigy…HAHAHAHA…I guess I asked for that didn’t I.

    Just for the record I’ll give you a rambling idiots reply.

    The squad is a very good squad…despite all the lunatic decisions Ashley has made in his time, he has given us a very good squad.

    Only a muppet could have managed that squad to 5th bottom despite what’s happened behind the scenes.

    His tactics are negative and woeful, his faith in certain players is massively mis-placed and despite our terrible results of last year he still beleives he plays on the front foot.

    Pardew is the rambling idiot and our performances will instantly improve as soon as we have a manager that is befitting the squad

  • 38 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    spend and spend wisely you bathard

  • 39 t00ntime // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    you just knew the Pardew out brigade were going to come back. Pre-season doesnt mean anything. we havent brought in new players yet and we arent even playing with half our main 11 (hba,tiote,krul,colo,sissoko, debuchy, all didnt start)

    With reports that we can now talk to Gomis (fee not agreed but club has allowed it) and also reports we will talk to Remy’s agents next week. Our front line could be alot different.

  • 40 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    colo player manager

  • 41 scout // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Settle down lads its a kick about, you’d think we had been relegated. You always get strange results in pre season, players just getting back into it.

  • 42 Thump // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    One loss in a f*******g friendly and we’re back to the same old rhetoric.

    For crying out loud, lads…

  • 43 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    robbie the robot will do a better job

  • 44 Thump // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    One loss in a pre-season friendly and we’re back to the same old rhetoric.

    For f**k sakes lads…

  • 45 Rotonda heights // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:45 PM


    How many managers far better equipped in modern football would have loved to work with the likes of Krul, Santon, Colo, Ben Arfa, Cisse, Ba, Marveaux, Anita from the start of the season and then joined by 5 more good players in January for half a season.

    We have these discussions about tactics after every match and still people defend him. Did he get a bad hand when given Tevez and Mascherano? he is living off one good season before he got found out yet again
    after 3 previous sackings.

    Pardew is great at lowering expectation and enthusiasm
    with fans and players alike. Carr was PEA and Zouma. Pardew is Bent and Tomkins. When will people see this?
    Players like Sissoko and Cabs look great till they are ” Pardewed”. Another 7 years, no thanks.

  • 46 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    T00ntime, the only thing you need to know is that Alan Pardew is useless. All theories stem from this :-) like degrees of Kevin Bacon thing.

    Actually then it goes back to Ashley as we have a lower league manager in charge and a director of football who can’t say international players’ names correctly.

    Good work, not.

  • 47 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    ok i will remain silent till 6 games in then pelters if nowt improves not ffin xmas it will be too late and you know it

  • 48 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    elan…he deserves nowt after last season and there’s plenty of young progressive managers out there who could get that great squad of ours playing a much better brand of football we’ll be queuing up to see on a saturday afternoon.

    He’s well past his sell by date and not surprisingly repeating what he’s done everywhere he’s managed…he’s fatally flawed and it’s time he went.

  • 49 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    I only dread what this blog is going to be like, when we’re half-way through the season and languishing around 14th, Pardew still here giving an interview saying “….. we didn’t carry enough of a threat, we’ll learn from our mistakes and put it right in the next match…..”. :lol:

    The noxious atmosphere will boil over eventually!

  • 50 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Whatever you think of our squad and who it’s managed by remember that KK in his second spell got that team playing well towards the end but that same team got it’s self relegated, the same team that finished fifth almost got itself relegated, Mike Ashley is a common denominator in all of those scenarios.

  • 51 elan // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Sparky55 you didn’t answer the question of who should manage us.
    Be sensible about it who would want to come.
    Unless the easy fix of kinnear is the answer
    Can’t believe the team is getting butchered a month before the season starts

  • 52 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    it is the optimists, no-one listens at the club and as ed states have respect for opinions

  • 53 Dannyo // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    If you are honestly and truly complaining about any person within #NUFC based on the training match we just played, then you have some serious questions to ask yourself when it comes to football.

    Start with: “How much do I really understand of this game?”

  • 54 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    Evening ladies and gentlemen, disappointing to have lost the pre-season friendly but like I said after the Motherwell victory, let’s not celebrate too much when we win or be too deflated when we lose, it’s merely an exercise of fitness and to see where our fringe players/youngsters are at.

    Wrote a few new articles chaps, and as much as I hate using Ed’s blog as a vehicle for personal development, I don’t hate it that much to stop haha

    Anyone wishes to give them a read, please feel free. Any feedback, positive or negative, will be greatly appreciated.

  • 55 The Bishop // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    So many knee-jerk reactions to a pre-season game. Ridiculous. Most of these players are playing their first pre-season game for christ’s sake. Those people at half-time who were saying ‘this is what needs to change in the second half’ are missing the point entirely. Especially in the case of the very first pre-season games, the result doesn’t matter one iota, only that players get minutes under their belts. You’re all like the sensationalist media that got excited over Man United’s loss against that all star team last week. It won’t affect their season in the slightest, and neither will this game.

  • 56 Rotonda heights // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM


    you could give pardew messi and he’d play him as a DM with jonas. Good players can’t cover his deficiencies.

  • 57 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    T00ntime, pre-season does matter, in a way, as it is an opportunity to test out different styles of play and lesrning to carry out pure coaching instructions.

    Pardew out brigade? Are u the Pardew in-brigade? You musn’t have been in the stadium at 6-0 nil down to Liverpool or the embarrassment which was the Sunderland game. Unacceptable performances and results. Should have been out after the Reading home game.

  • 58 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM


  • 59 Rotonda heights // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    the team isn’t being butchered that’s the point. Good , even some great players, just crap management

  • 60 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:53 PM


    Anyone who, at this point, still thinks Ashley is doing a good job, simply do not listen to reason. It’s an exercise of futility trying to get them to speak rationally.

  • 61 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    you cant make a silk purse from a sows ear oink oink pardew move upstairs please

  • 62 Ketsbaia9 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    Haha, the great Mike Williamson came on and conceded a penalty. Why on earth he’s still at the club, I don’t know.

  • 63 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    I’m usually a positive chap you know. All in for motivation and confidence boosting as I believe it can take sports people to a different level as well as well planned and meaningful coaching.

    All of that is why I show my anger at Pardew’s inability to manage at our required level.

    I love Newcastle United, and I want the club to be managed the way it should be, with passion, skill and tactical intelligence.

  • 64 Ketsbaia9 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    Looks like we need to recruit the following players:

    Siem De Jong

  • 65 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    if any of you think this is just a fitness thing then you’re barking.

    Doesn’t matter who plays and for how long…it’s the brand of football that matters and he played hoofball again tonight.

    Fringe players and 1st team squad players playing hoofball football in the Algarve. WHAT’S THE F*****G POINT OF THAT!

  • 66 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    They will come a time when Ed will do a poll, during this season:

    Do you want Pardew to remain in charge or Kinnear to take over?

    Translates as

    What flavour of shite do you want on your plate of shite, there’s a range of condiments to go with it, we have shite, shite, shite and shite. We’re up to our necks in it!

  • 67 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 8:58 PM


    Nee forgetting Scharner. Do you know if he has a son that plays football? Maybe you should check it out and become his agent, get him signed up to our youth academy.

  • 68 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    theres no chance of abit extra shite on there is there matey

  • 69 gazza85 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    I can see both sides of the argument re tonight’s game.

    On one side it IS ONLY our second pre-season game with less than half our current starting 11 playing and fitness, and performance, are much more important than results.

    On the other side the performance, from what I hear and see from the result, was very similar to those of last season so I can understand why people are reacting negatively as tbh we were p**s poor most of the time.

    My personal opinion is that we have to be patient (as much as some don’t want to be) as there is still a month and a halfish of the transfer window left in which to do business and another month before the serious business starts. If after 6-10 games of the season we are doing terrible then I’ll happily back calls to remove Pardew but until then we should support the TEAM (players and coaching staff imo).

    P.S As far as Ashley is concerned I personally can’t stand the bloke, yes we are on a sound financial footing which is fantastic but football for the fans is not about money but rather entertainment (and hopefully glory at some point in my lifetime).

    Anywho just my 2 cents…. ending rant now.

  • 70 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    I didn’t watch the game, but is this the case of same ol’ same ol’?

    …the thing we cannot buy us out off but have to fix from within! (will try and watch the next few pre-season games)

  • 71 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Anyone who thinks these pre-season games are JUST for fitness are stupid.

    It doesn’t matter who plays and how for long whether they’re fringe players or 1st teamers,.. the point is pardew is making them play hoofball.

    Somebody please tell me…what’s the point in taking that squad down to the algarve only to practice playing hoofball?

    Will they get fitter playing Hoofball as opposed to playing football on the ground?

    Will their ball control improve playing hoofball?

    Will they learn to play like most of the other premiership football teams by playing hoofball?

    it doesn’t matter what stage of fitness anybody is at…they should NOT BE PRACTICING PLAYING HOOFBALL FFS

  • 72 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Of course, we’ve got a shite reservoir out back, John, one moment.

  • 73 toonking // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    well from what I have seen posted today i don’t think i will want to be on the blog much if we loose because all i can see happening is pardew out
    JFK IN

  • 74 HullMag6 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    Oh well, its only a friendly – Same old. Same old …..

    A brief jump off the fence – normal service will resume shortly.

    Either sign some players or sack Pards and sell up Mike.

    Best squad for some time coupled to the worst tactics even ardiles or roeder could get better results with this lot last season and now. Conditioning and fitness coach is a start but ffs the tactics are obvious and woeful. Please Pardew no more its anybody’s fault but me Your the manager therefore it is your fault.

  • 75 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Pardew will get the sack at some stage as I can’t see results changing from last season especially now it’s blatantly obvious that his powers have been stripped, I think last summer after his double speak the playing staff realised their gaffa didn’t have that much sway in the bigger picture, after the humiliation of Media Joe being appointed they now all realise their boss is a total puppet, I just hope this doesn’t result in another relegation battle.

  • 76 wolfshead@toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    lol @ most of the comments above or it could be hysteria from the heat haha

  • 77 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    lash that shite on i’ll force feed pardew with it

  • 78 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Sack Pardew! Get him out the bloke is a disgrace. Same old tactics useless to many average players. That need moved on with the idiot Pardew.

  • 79 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    tel soton fans it dont matter ,its a training game ,yea right there doing cartwheels all ower the town

  • 80 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    T00ntime… not making it up by the way.
    This is from a few articles ago by Ed from Pardew.

    “We are trying to strengthen our attacking area. In midfield and at the back we are comfortable.” “I really feel there will be a player or two who moves on because of a little overload in midfield.”

    Midfield, at the back, comfortable, overloaded in midfield, are the key words there.

    He wasn’t saying that before now was he, so why the change? He wasn’t saying that last year cos that wud have been one less excuse for his ever increasing list, even though he played the kids in the early rounds of Europe. The man must be THE biggest con-artist of a manager around.

    Pre-season or not, his inability continues.

  • 81 Ashton // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    Don’t worry lads we are “quite strong in the back four department”

    A baby Egyptian who was crap at the u20 WC dominated our defense.

    Pardew is a moron. This squad is too good for him. I just hope we don’t lose Carr, because what’s the point of scouting great footballers when our manager want’s garbage like Bent and Tomkins?

  • 82 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    did the rio fans think it was a training game or the players, it is a war ,any game is a battle of wits
    don’t worry son it s not the winning its the taking part

  • 83 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    This’ll placate everyone, I’m sure of it -

  • 84 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    For God sake lads, I’m critical of Pardew for the most part, but let’s not dive into hysterics just yet.

  • 85 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    but hey ho, we know buggar all about footy yeah pal

  • 86 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    We just need Motherwell to thrash Benfica and it’s okay.

  • 87 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    YEP…nowt to worry about Lads…it’s only pre-season and it doesn’t matter!

    WAKE UP!…we’re heading back to oblivion with this joker in charge of our squad

  • 88 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    Don’t think anyone’s in hysterics, it’s just a chance for everyone to practice their lines, think of it as a rehearsal :D

  • 89 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    Lads, I’m pretty sure we all know by now that Pardew isn’t good enough to manage NUFC and won’t be getting the best out of our squad.

    Some of you are acting surprised. When he shows himself up in the PL then we can start calling for his head, but in pre-season? C’mon, let’s not be ridiculous.

  • 90 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    please put me out of my misery…what is the point of practising something that is proven NOT to work

    Why would Pardew do that?

  • 91 John Tudor // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    kinnear is failing to do his job
    pardew is still refusing to walk

  • 92 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Ruddy…would you rather replace Pardew four weeks before the season starts or in November / December after a disastrous start?

  • 93 wolfshead@toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM


    no need to joe is building the gallows as we speak :-)

  • 94 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Playing under Pardew i won’t blame any player for wanting to leave. The man might be popular as a person among the players, but his lack of ability to evolve and to use technical players is frightening.

    We desperatly need some good news soon, and the news should have been a new manager back in may.

    Poor manager and a useless owner so far.

  • 95 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:25 PM


    I would have preferred to replace Pardew at the end of last season, but since that didn’t happen we have to make peace with the fact that he will be our manager next season, and honestly, I dread to think who Ashley would replace Pardew with.

    We need to reconcile ourselves to the fact that the only way Pardew will leave is if we have a disastrous start to the season.

    Not ideal of course.

  • 96 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:26 PM


    Joe building the gallows? I wouldn’t let that man loose with lego… haha

  • 97 Ginger // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Judge Pardew once the season has started not during pre-season.

  • 98 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:29 PM


    Personally, I’ve judged Pardew on last season, and have come to the conclusion that he is a terrible manager who should be nowhere near a PL team with top half ambitions.

    However, since we’re stuck with him, we may as well try and make the best of it.

  • 99 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    Ruddy…you still don’t think there’s time for change before the season starts then?

    would you be upset if someone like Poyet marched in next week

  • 100 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    By the way how many players have we signed since Mike appointed the selfcrowned “Fisher King” DoF? ;-)

  • 101 l3wy // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    What’s with this 4231 formation?? Why not keep things simple and play 442 or 433. We played 433 most of a season and finished 5th apart from a few games when our tactical genius played 4231 spurs and Fulham spring to mind and as I remember we concided 5. It doesn’t work so why keep trying????

  • 102 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM


    I do think it’s far too late to change the manager during pre-season, you change the manager before pre-season or half way through the season, a replacement at any other time would be too disruptive in my opinion.

    As for Poyet? We can do much much better than him. Apparently he is even more arrogant than Pardew, and left under a cloud in Brighton, seems too toxic.

  • 103 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:35 PM


    Chelsea play it Arsenal play, Man U have been known to play, it works pretty well for them, it’s a matter of having the right players to make it work.

    Currently we don’t have all the right players to play this formation so it isn’t right for us. But with a few signings it could be a fantastic formation for us.

  • 104 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    IMO we should be treating Pardew like a cancer…we should get it removed at the earliest possible opportunity before it does irreversible damage…GET RID NOW so we can move onwards and upwards at the earliest possible opportunity.

  • 105 nufc_eire // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Probable starting lineup for first game against city?


    Subs: Elliot, Saylor, Haidara, Bigirimana, Marveaux, Gouffran, Shola

    Any other guesses??

  • 106 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:39 PM


    Bit of an extreme analogy, although I do agree that he is damaging this squad, but the problem won’t simply be solved by removing Pardew, because there is no guarantee that Ashley will replace Pardew with an attack minded manager, he could merely replace Pardew with another tactically inept dinosaur; enter Kinnear.

  • 107 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Pardew has always been a useless manager! The crap he peddles as football is embarrassing. So get shot of him now!

  • 108 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    You’re a plumber, so if qualifications are anything to go by we are on a very similar intelligence level, so wtf don’t you get that if Mike Ashley was to sack Pardew Media Joe would walk straight into the job.

  • 109 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    ruddy..I’d take a toxic arrogant tw@t over pardew as a manager on the basis he gets the most out of the team and we get to see some entertaining football…watching Pardew’s team play football just puts me in a bad mood.

  • 110 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:42 PM


    I’m with Jail. Our next manager is already at the club. Kinnear will walk straight into the role if/when Pardew walks or is pushed.

  • 111 Krul To Be Kind // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:44 PM


    Good work on the write up, all spot on and opinion shared!

    Keep up the good work lad

  • 112 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Krul to be Kind

    You’re too kind my good man, appreciate you taking the time to read it.

  • 113 djm... // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    4231 is pretty much the same formation as a 433, there is really not a lot of difference. We just need 2 players to make it work. We already have the dm positions sorted with cabaye and sissoko, and Ben Arfa on the right. We need the central player who will link cabaye and cisse as well as a fast direct right footed left winger, in the mould of gouffran only more of a step up.

  • 114 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Jail…I might be just a plumber but I’m dead clever! :-) :-) lol

    I think JFK is there to clear the decks but I don’t think for one second Ashley would put Kinnear back in the saddle

    I think Poyet’s name plaque has already been made

  • 115 transfer sage 2 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    i would be happy with a strike force of remy gomis bent gouffran campbell and siem de jong can play there as a back up

    sell cisse for 17 million

    i would also love to have sinclair that is how bad are wingers are

  • 116 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Even if the ridiculous happened and it went to Kinnear after Pardew, at least there’s only one imbecile instead of two there. Although Ashley would be the third as he’d have just employed him. Three down to two.

    The only glimmer of hope would be he wouldn’t on medical grounds.


  • 117 djm... // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    A left Attacking mid and a central attacking mid, along with a young developing but experienced right back in the mould of Hidara and we will be sorted for the season.

    Personally I don’t see why we need a new striker unless cisse is away. if we signed the likes I remy and de Jong, They can both play there well if needed and we have Campbell as a second choice.

  • 118 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    So what’s news on Benny not playing at all?

    …still not fit or…?

  • 119 djm... // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    With the right service and a bit more luck with the officials, cisse could be a 25+ goal player.

  • 120 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    ruddy…I could be barking up the wrong tree here but what if Cisse is so unhappy about being played as a winger or a ‘on his own target man” that he’s decided to leave and has cited the wonga thing purely as an excuse to get out

  • 121 djm... // Jul 20, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Jesper, Maybe he is more in the plans for the game on Tuesday (I believe)? He did do a training session on the pitch with colo after the game today.

  • 122 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:00 PM


    I mentioned that as a possible reason for Wonga-gate, that he wants out of the club and he’s using the Wonga situation as an attempt to force a move.

  • 123 spitfire_ // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    Don’t forget JFK sait that he can bring any manager! He is honest and calm guy.

  • 124 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    I’m glad you finally saw what ambition Mashley has for the club, it’s hard work when people post things like “he gave us our stadium name back” or we would have done a Leeds without a shred evidence that we would have, when I post my anti Ashley statements it is using factual points when the pro Mashley mob say their piece it is with pure speculation.

  • 125 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    Just know the result, don’t know how they played but is some of the comments are a bit over the top –
    the opposition finished in top six of the Portugese League which is not a joke league and we I think we finished 15th in the Premiership – and we struggled past Maritimo and got beat of Benfica last season

  • 126 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    djm…good to know!

    …one do get worried these days!

    Does ppl think with the lack of transfer activity that NUFC was simple not prepared this time around?

  • 127 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Its gone on to long, Pardew has got to go. He is in a job that is to big for him. His level is League one and take his fat useless goalie coach with him. Ex Charlton crap!

  • 128 bills-son // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    We lost 6.0 pre-season before we won the Fizzy with 100+ points.

  • 129 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Can’t believe we played the same old same old hoofball to the front man again. I thought Pardew admitted his mistakes ? , yet we find ourselves 3-0 down without reply.

    The only way we will ever be successful under Pardew is if we bring in a decent attack minded coach to help Pardew or if we go back to 4-3-3.





    Still not convinced by Santon, Tiote has to prove he can find his previous form and Gutierrez should not be near the team at the minute.

  • 130 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    I’ve never even heard of Rio Avenue, and I like to think I know my football .

  • 131 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    BPC We will never be successful under Pardew…he’s lost it.

  • 132 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:16 PM


    We used to have a number of run ins because I was part of those who wanted to view things in a positive fashion, but it’s got to a stage where I can no longer see things in a positive way, and maintain my own personal integrity. The facts are there to be seen, clear as day, Pardew is only a symptom of a much more dangerous epidemic that is Mike Ashley.

    Until this infection is controlled and quarantined, this club will suffer from toxic mid table mediocrity.

  • 133 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:17 PM


    We will never be successful under Ashley, Pardew is but a pawn in his game.

  • 134 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:17 PM



  • 135 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    and you keep on putting up that team without knowing they’ll all be here come the start of the season…I would suggest two of your team won’t even be here in two weeks time and a third will go before the window closes

  • 136 bills-son // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    Those criticising Pardew for everything to do with the team need to understand that he has been braying on since last summer that we need experienced Prem players.

    Carr has responded to that by continuing to offer French fancy dans plus Santon and Anita – all of whom may be technically good but leave us totally lacking in power, strength, pace and real defensive ability.

    This squad is totally unbalnced and are a pushover for teams with pace and power. I bet Pardew is totally peed off that he is taking all of the flak for a situation that isn’t all of his fault.

  • 137 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    Can we please now put a stop to Toon Danno’s attention seeking as he publicly claimed that the so called Cisse palaver was a media driven stunt and that he (Cisse) would be flying out with the squad today along with his other numerous ficticious claims can we say without criticism that this guy is not itk.

  • 138 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:24 PM


    If experienced Prem players offer “power, strength, pace and real defensive ability” as you so aptly put, how do you explain M’biwa being better than Saylor in all of these facets?

    How do you explain Sissoko being better than Perch in all of these assets? And how do you explain Gouffran being a much more potent threat than Guti down the left? Despite the fact that these 3 players have limited PL experience in comparison to those other 3 players?

    PL experience means naff all, you’re simply making excuses.

  • 139 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    I see Shola has injured his arm in the friendly defeat to Rio Ave. How ever are we going to cope without his PL experience?

  • 140 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    ruddy…Ashley has given us a very good squad….the unfortunate thing is Ashley has put the running of the club in the hands of complete amateurs because he has no idea how to run a football club.

  • 141 izzyb1991 // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    Just watched the highlights. Their goals were down to pretty poor keeping and we were unlucky. It’s fine. I think everyone needs to relax. If anything this is good and the lads will respond. Just like we said we should t get carried away with the Motherwell win, nor should we stress over this loss. Does this prove the younger team who played the other night are better than the usual suspects like Cabayd, Taylor and Jonas…makes you wonder that our best PLAYERS might not constitute our best TEAM.

  • 142 jimmysmith // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Poor result for our fringe players. The pre season is about fitness, but also about staking a claim for the 1st team squad, did any of the young guys play well.

    The team that runs out against City will be very different in make up and attitude. The result might well be the same though.

  • 143 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:30 PM


    He has also rode roughshod over two club legends, overseen a relegation, saw the name of our great stadium plastered with Sports Direct crap, and saw the club associated with a disreputable money lender who (rightly or wrongly) might see the departure of the best striker we’ve had since Shearer.

    But by all means, continue to think that Ashley is doing his best for you.

  • 144 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    Graham Carr has given us a very good squad, Mike Ashley sanctioned the signing of Xisco and the departure of Nolan.

  • 145 toonluvva // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    Posters keep asking why Stroller, Willo, Jonas & Obertan are still here.

    Simple. No one else would have them in their squad!

    We’re stuck with them until they are out of contract, or until a much lower league club comes in for one of them.

  • 146 Newcastle Brown Alien // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    izzy, well they never responded to the thrashing to sunderland

  • 147 bills-son // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    Ruddy – name me one player in our best eleven who has real pace, a full back who can defend well, a CH with a real physical presence, a midfielder other than Tiote who can muscle a player off the ball, or a forward other Shola (who isn’t good) who can hold the ball up and win it in the air.

    You will struggle like hell to answer those questions – thats why as a squad we look good on paper but on the pitch we are all too often a shambles.

    I’m not making excuses – these are the facts. If you, Pardew, Kinnear and Carr can’t see it I guarantee we will take some hammerings again next season and concede a bucket load of goals – 5 already againt p1ss poor teams in friendlies.

    We’ve got some very good individual players but a very average squad with some massive deficiencies.

  • 148 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    Somebody actually blamed the lack of signings this summer on Pardew, I couldn’t really comprehend that.

  • 149 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Jail…graham carr didn’t pay for the players he recommended…Ashley did.

    IMO he was right to sell Nolan

  • 150 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    Not buying the experienced PL players excuse like. Yes it can be utilised in the Derby but the rest of the season is down to pure talent.

    Cisse came in and destroyed the PL, only for Pardew the genious to stick him on the wing the following season. Benteke waw in his first season, as was Oscar, Hazard, Michu to name a few off the top of my head

    How anyone can defend Pardew at the minute I will never know.

  • 151 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:39 PM


    Am I right in hearing what you’re saying? In your attempt to deflect attention from Pardew and Ashley, you are having a go at Graham Carr?

    If you think our centre halves don’t have enough of a physical presence, it is up to Pardew to rectify that. Our full backs don’t always have top positioning, also falls under Pardew’s remit. We don’t have many strikers who can hold up the ball, mainly because we don’t have many strikers, which is Ashley’s remit.

    Anita, Gouffran, Sissoko, Santon, Debuchy and M’biwa all have “real pace”, funny that these are some of the “French fancies” (other than Anita) that have been brought in by Carr.

    Think you’re seriously barking up the wrong tree there lad.

  • 152 jimmysmith // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    I’m not sure if the truth isn’t that they’re both a bit equally second rate in their respective roles. Plenty of room for improvement from the pair of them and they deserve the stick they get cos they put their hands up for it when they took on the job and the only way not to get it is to deliver on the pitch.

  • 153 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    ruddy…so in your opinion all our failings are down one man namely ashley????

    I’d love to work for you one day because in your world there’s no such thing as shared responsibility and being the manager doesn’t mean the buck stops with you.

    Next time you’re hiring please let me know

  • 154 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM


    Ashley is the man most responsible for the failings of the club. Every man and his dog knew that Pardew wasn’t up to the job after the horror show last season, yet Ashley had decided to stick with him, because in Pardew, he has a man who he can manipulate, treat like crap and will still more than likely achieve the heady heights of mid table.

    If Pardew is sacked, he will be replaced with another mediocre manager, please don’t delude yourself otherwise.

  • 155 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    @ billson

    I would say Sissoko, HBA, Marv & Santon all have decent pace.

    We have the players, is it just a massive coincidence that multiple internationals like Collo,Krul,Debuchy,M’biwa,Cabaye,Anita,Sissoko,Tiote & Cisse can’t play together ? .
    Even the biggest optomist wouldn’t think that. Or is it a case of a manager that plays Cisse right wing and as a target man, plays the most long balls in the league despite having multiple technical players, blatant favouritism and shocking substitutions.

    I know which one it is. I just wish everyone did.

  • 156 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    jail@146 … as much as I dislike the bloke I don’t blame him for one second for the fact we haven’t signed anyone…that I believe is a strategic decision from up above.

  • 157 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    So what’s the guess why we haven’t brought in any new players yet?

    …we all know it is going to happen, but is it again bad planning, the appointment of the Fisher King or the “fact” Pardew and Carr don’t see football the same way?

    Either way we come off as amateurs! but that is probably not far from the truth anyway!

  • 158 Geordiedoonsooth // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    I’m going to stop reading this blog too many dopey people its pre-season result don’t matter it’s about finding who will or won’t be good enough for the season one bad result doesn’t make us rap as one good result doesn’t make us world beaters. Man U & Man c lost heir 1st friendly are hey panicking? No. That’s t I’m off

  • 159 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    ruddy…anything but deluded but mediocre is light years better than utter shite so I’ll take young and unproven and even mediocre over Pardew so long as i get to watch something remotely entertaining as opposed to the utter rubbish Pardew serves up every week

  • 160 bills-son // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    Ruddy – do I smell a bit of facetious arrogance there calling me lad?

    What I say is my opinion – but that opinion is based on playing the game at a decent level, my brother was a pro (once scored the winner for the oppo at SJP) and through him I’ve met and been in the company of other pro’s regularly. A good friend of mine is also a football agent who has worked for NUFC.

    My opinion is that our squad in unbalanced.

    If you disagree. You disagree – lad.

  • 161 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:52 PM


    I’d take young, ambitious and up and coming too, of course I would. But why would we replace Pardew with another rubbish manager if it doesn’t improve the football on show?

  • 162 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    From the evening Chronicle;
    Newcastle United take on last season’s top-six outfit in the Portuguese Primeira League, Rio Ave, in the first game of their week long pre-season tour of Portugal.

    Nuf said

  • 163 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    @ geordiedoonsooth

    Its the manner of the defeat. Fair enough if we were trying a new formation, but hit and hope balls up to Gouffran ? , gimme a break.

    How does that saying go ? , a leapord never changes its spots . Pardew is the best part of 50 years old and only has one game plan. Someone needs to give him a slap and tell him it is 2013 not the 80′s .

  • 164 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:56 PM


    Lad is a regular phrase among equals in N.Ireland, nothing condescending, or facetiously arrogant intended.

    However, you do seem to be engaging in “one up man-ship” with your little biography there.

    I think our squad is unbalanced too, but who is to say that Carr hasn’t tried to address this imbalance and is being let down on the financial side of things by Ashley and Kinnear?

    Seems like a change of perspective could help you think out of the “Mike Ashley is God” box.

  • 165 Uncertain Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:56 PM


    It’s early days regarding pre season, players still half asleep, off the pace etc. It would be easy to start transmitting, but this is exactly what pre season is for!
    I will reserve judgement till October and if the wheels have come off then Pardew has to go before November or we might not recover. I believe he has not got the technical attributes to manage our club, but we are stuck with him for present time. I hope JFK can do a better job as he is the manager in waiting! What a horrible thought!

  • 166 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    BPC…you cannot teach an old dog new tricks mate!

  • 167 thai-mag // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:58 PM

    Oh well another 2 steps back, whats new

  • 168 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:59 PM

    BPC…best post of the night…well said

  • 169 bills-son // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:00 PM

    Ruddy – I don’t think Ashley is God but I’ve got a feeling you might think you are.

  • 170 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:01 PM

    Well said, Big Pappa.

  • 171 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:01 PM


    You’ve gone very quiet on the topic of conversation though, would that be because I refuted your ill founded claims and you now have no response of worth?

  • 172 Symo22 // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    Debuchy Mbiwa Colo Santon
    Cabaye Tiote Sissoko
    Sinclair/HBA Remy

    Need lots of work done on defending worried even more so because santon and debuchy are so attacking!!

  • 173 jonobbad // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    …that opinion is based on playing the game at a decent level, my brother was a pro..


    That cheered me up for a couple of seconds

  • 174 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    Well Bills, it’s been a pleasure jousting with you, but I think I’m going to call it a night.

    See ya later chaps!

  • 175 Uncertain Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM

    Seems like Pardew will never grow a pair. He gets told Douglas ain’t coming so gobs off that defensively we’re as strong as he’s ever seen us. Obvious upshot 3 down after 20 odd mins. It’s all a bit worrying to say the least!
    He can never be the self proclaimed adopted geordie as he has no backbone, balls or integrity. Think i’ve just reneged on my previous post! oops!

  • 176 bills-son // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    Ruddy – you’ve refuted my claims?

    So you are judge and jury are you? More evidence you think you are God.

    You’ve refuted f all imo.

  • 177 bills-son // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    Jonobad – pleasec I’ve cheered you up for a couple of seconds. You must be a sad bstad most of the time then?

  • 178 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:13 PM

    bills-son // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    Ruddy – name me one player in our best eleven who has real pace, a full back who can defend well, a CH with a real physical presence, a midfielder other than Tiote who can muscle a player off the ball, or a forward other Shola (who isn’t good) who can hold the ball up and win it in the air.

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:39 PM


    Am I right in hearing what you’re saying? In your attempt to deflect attention from Pardew and Ashley, you are having a go at Graham Carr?

    If you think our centre halves don’t have enough of a physical presence, it is up to Pardew to rectify that. Our full backs don’t always have top positioning, also falls under Pardew’s remit. We don’t have many strikers who can hold up the ball, mainly because we don’t have many strikers, which is Ashley’s remit.

    Anita, Gouffran, Sissoko, Santon, Debuchy and M’biwa all have “real pace”, funny that these are some of the “French fancies” (other than Anita) that have been brought in by Carr.

    I would call that refuting your claims.

    Also, the fact that you stopped discussing the topic at hand to talk about how well versed you are in football, followed by the personal insults would suggest to me that you lost heart in the discussion as you were gazumped :D

  • 179 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:13 PM

    Now now Bills, no need to resort to childish name calling is there?

  • 180 jonobbad // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    Yea well you can thank mike and pardew for that.
    Only my opinion but its based on playing the game at a decent brother used to be a pro

  • 181 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    George Caulkin (@CaulkinTheTimes) tweeted at 6:34 PM on Sat, Jul 20, 2013:
    No focal point to Nufc’s attack with Gouffran floating around up front & floated balls up to him are coming straight back.

    Someone posted it before. This is nothing new. Isolated striker and floated balls up to him? Same old, same old.

    Only pre-season, yes, but from that, the same idiotic tactics as last year.

    They could even employ an emphasis, being a pre season game, that they can only make a below head/waist height rule to force a passing game. It will challenge the players to play the game in a different manner. That is what training and preparing is about.

    Find ways of making yourself better within the team around you and let them develop with you.

    Floating balls up to Gouffran is a waste of time and is just a continuation of last year up to Cisse, which was a joke tactic.

  • 182 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    If he’s directing floated and lumped balls to Gouffran and Cisse, ask yourself what he’d do if we had Messi?

    All the gear, nee idea.

  • 183 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Maybe Cisse is fed up with Pardew and wants to leave. If so I don’t blame the guy, however if he is hiding behind his Muslim faith he needs to show a little respect to the fans ans tell us straight.

    I mean picture you go to a new club, set the joint record for goals in games, get goal of the season all in you first six months in the league. Only to be played as a target man, on the wing and at times covering left back.

    What manager in their right mind would do that ? . And before anyone thinks I have a personal vendeta against Pardew they are wrong . I actually like him as a person but proffessionaly some of the things I have had to endure with him in charge are unforgivable.

  • 184 GeordieAnt // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    You know what cracks me up? The ones on here that act like they need some kind of mental health assessment are the ones that call those who just stick with the team rather than complaining every 5 seconds delusional. At the end of the day…we all know supporting Newcastle is a rollercoaster and that including management, owners, transfers, playing style etc etc. The way I see it…nothing is going to change what’s happening, not boycotting, not complaining, not whining, not making threats….Ashley will stick around, Pardew regardless of performance will stick around, and Kinnear regardless of his mental state will stick around. We just have to accept it and support OUR team the best we can. I mean come on…we lose one pre-season and it’s “that’s it…we’re going to get relegated, our season is over, sack Pardew,” the same people were praising him when we were playing well, the same people were bouncing around like crazy people when we won the other day…now we lose and it’s like a lot of people forgot to take their depression pills…seriously, and if we win our next game…those same people will be talking about how great the team looked again etc etc etc. Take a chill pill, strap yourself in, and enjoy the ride, because one thing is always guaranteed as a Newcastle fan…ups and downs. That doesn’t change the fact that Newcastle is still the team we support, regardless of who is in charge, regardless of who plays for us, and regardless of who manages us. Remember when we got relegated? We were still the Toon Army…I think some of you people need to look at this picture and remember just what kind of fans we are:

  • 185 bills-son // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    Ruddy – you just don’t get it do you.

    You have your opinion and I have mine.

    What part of the don’t you understand?

    Jonobad – what are your oponions based on?

  • 186 Uncertain Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:27 PM


    I hear what you’re saying pal, we’ll see on Tuesday what he comes up with in terms of game plan/formation and tactics. Can only hope for an improvement mate. Don’t know if Colo was not ready/unfit but you’d think he’d be giving him and Mbiwa maximum pre season game time together wouldn’t you.
    We don’t know where Cabaye’s head is at right now with all speculation goin on. Wings and midfield link up man are definite issues, might see Benny get a run out on tuesday as well hopefully. Is he fit?!

  • 187 toon22 // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    Why not toe punt balls up to the striker?
    Its worked so well in the past.

    AP is a f*****gn muppet if he thinks he can get away with that again ,there will be open unrest imo

    They will find out they would rather the staduim wasnt so full imo.The still have to get in and out dont they…

  • 188 Thump // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    We just have to accept it and support OUR team the best we can. I mean come on…we lose one pre-season and it’s “that’s it…we’re going to get relegated, our season is over, sack Pardew,”


  • 189 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    @ geordie ant

    No one has mentioned relegation. People arw just annoyed that we are seeing the same tactics that almost got us relegated being implemented in this pre-season.

    I have never particularly likes the way we play under Pardew and I can count the number of gamea on one hand where we have played really well and deserved the win under Pardew. And in two and a half seasona that is very poor.

    I know moaning on a blog won’t change anything, I just want people to wake up, smell the coffee and realise Pardew is not good enough rather than settling for mediocracy.

  • 190 Toon Avenger // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Has anyone seen the highlights?

    First goal – WTF is Jonas doing? His and Dummets fault

    Second goal – Dummet again

    Third goal – entire back line and a special mention for Dummet


  • 191 colwell // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:34 PM


    So are you saying that when the team plays well and we praise Pards its fine but when we lose we shouldn’t be p1ssed off with him? As long as we support the team we can all moan and cheer at what we want.

  • 192 luke.r // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    All the people saying parses should be fired after this game wernt saying it after the Motherwell game. You lot need to sort your heads out, you don’t understand football at all.

  • 193 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    Still sort of hanging around haha


    You posed a question, which you claimed I would struggle to answer, I didn’t struggle, so your arrogance was misplaced, when I answered your question you then got upset and decided to flex your muscles when it came to how much you know about football, and then resort to childish insults.

    I’ve no issue with you having your opinion, but you have a smug sense of self satisfaction when you defend Ashley and Pardew, so much so that you even tried to claim that Carr was to blame for the imbalance in the squad.

    Your delusions make me question your sanity, but as long as you have your opinion :D

  • 194 jonobbad // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:36 PM


    my opinions are based on what i see every week.
    not my brother being a pro cos that means f all.

  • 195 sparky55 // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    it’s not the defending that particularly worries me at this’s the Hoofball tactics to Gouffy…Pardew should be trying something else

  • 196 bollance // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    Anyone think it is suspicious we have gone public with gomis?

    Previous stance has always been to stay quiet, unless we are broadcasting the move to another club.

    €4m has been banded about. Is the the price we are trying to bring Bent down to using gomis deal as our ‘alternative’.

    Who u rather have gomis or bent?

  • 197 Uncertain Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:38 PM


    If we are bottom of league in October do you think Pardew will still be in a job?

  • 198 Thump // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    @Uncertain Toon: Pardew did say that he was going to be putting out the fittest side (likely to avoid injuries) so I’d imagine it’s a fitness issue with Colo.

    @Toon Avenger: Saw the lad at Brighton and while he was a breath of fresh air (ie: he crossed the ball) he was bloody woeful in defence. He needs to be sent out to a Championship club because, and this isn’t meant to sound nasty or disrespectful – least of all to St. Mirren, the SPL just isn’t as strong a league and I honestly don’t think any player we loan to the SPL will learn as much as they could elsewhere.

  • 199 Toon Avenger // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:39 PM


    Debating the credibility of a manager because we beat Motherwell and lost against Rio Ave.

    Try looking at his decade of management, his 2 1/2 years at nufc and the style of football that follows him around like dog shit on a shoe.

    Then make your opinion.

  • 200 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    Don’t see how anyone can blame Carr. He reccommends players to Pardew and if they both agree we go for the target . Pardew (until now) has had final say on all incoming transfers other than Ashley giving him the funds.

  • 201 Toon Avenger // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:40 PM


    Against Motherwell he was allowed to fly up and down the wing.

    Today by all accounts he was stuck in his own half mostly.

    The difference? Jonas Gutierrez.

  • 202 colwell // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    To be fair Hassans 2nd goal was very well worked mugged Saylor off very nicely.

  • 203 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    Why can’t defenders defend these days? Too much to ask? I think the reason I was so impressed with Mbiwa at LB against Arsenal, is because it was the first genuinely impressive, individual defensive display I’ve seen from a Toon player, in absolute yonks!

  • 204 Toon Avenger // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    Does anyone else think that Jonas may very well be the single weakest point in the team?

    I swear he transforms us into an ultra defensive pile of crap.

  • 205 Toon Avenger // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:44 PM


    Dummy should’ve been in before the ball was played to Hassan.

    Good skill from him though. Reminds me of a young Mido.

  • 206 Jakenufc // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    It’s rediculous how people are saying sack pardew after 1 pre season loss. After all, isn’t pre season all about getting fit and improving on mistakes made in the past? Give pardew a chance to redeem himself…see how the first few games of the season go and then make judgements. Cut the guy some slack for once.

  • 207 Toon Avenger // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    Bring Back LR

    I agree. It would also be nice to see attackers do their job instead of having to defend.

    I hate how our wingers spend more time defending than attacking.

  • 208 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:48 PM


    King Canute comes to mind. Pardew is going to be under the microscope much more keenly now and he will b hounded for everything. There’s already an inevitability about his departure this season.

  • 209 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    @ Robert

    I agree, I do rate Haidara and think he is a much better defender than Santon. But we all know Pardew has his favourites and Davide will start over Massadio 99% of the time.

    Same thing with Marveaux & Anita who have outshone Gutierrez & Tiote yet find themselves benched.

  • 210 colwell // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    Toon Avenger

    Yes saw that mate they still had abit to do after the 1st back heel then Hassans skill looked good though. Young Mido quite possibly took his goals very well.

  • 211 Toon Avenger // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    Isn’t it ridiculous that people can’t spell ridiculous when most computers these days have spellcheck?

    Pardew should not be judged for this loss today, nay I say.

    He should be judged for 30 months of terrible football, over a decade of poor managerial results and for his inability to change footballing direction (as has been proven at other clubs).

    Goodnight sweet Jake.

  • 212 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    @ Jake

    I have wanted Pardew gone for 7 months

  • 213 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    dummett going out on loan then

  • 214 Uncertain Toon // Jul 21, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    @Thump – cheers for that, thought there had to be somethin up with colo.

    @BBLR – Aye mate, thought Mbiwa stood out at LB, pure class. Proper no nonsense defending and it’s supposedly not his best position, i wonder about that. Problem is he’ll be gone next summer, no way we’ll be able to keep him, shame really.

  • 215 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 21, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    Aye, Pardew needs to drastically alter course and be bold, but the first step is awareness of this, which as it’s seemingly not already dawned on him, despite his waffle, I don’t think is possible.

    When I saw the “floating balls up to Gouffran and it’s coming straight back..” report, I just sighed and rolled my eyes.

  • 216 Jakenufc // Jul 21, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    Toon Avenger,
    Jokes on you as I am actually
    A. Dislexic
    And B. Using my phone which doesent have spell check :)
    Im a fellow Toon so I am questioning your aggressive tone

  • 217 doonundertoon // Jul 21, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    just watched extended highlights, same formation as last season, same STUPID tactical errors… the same gapeing chasm of a hole between our midfield (or should i say advanced defenders, because they never ever seem to be in in the actual MID FIELD) and strikers, our left wing being basically non-existant due to jonas being a garbage winger.. i mean what the hell is a defensive winger anyways? people wouldnt be bragging about having an attacking centerback.. we would all just be get into position and do your job! why pardew cant see jonas is past it when he hasnt made an assist in a whole season as a WINGER is beyond me, and AP is supposedly a stats man that analyzes every inch of a game to “implement” his game plans (his words..) what stats is he reading?

    bottom line is, when your “go-to” tactic gets thumped 3-1 by a Portuguese team that isnt one of the big 4 Portuguese teams, and concedes 3 goals in 30 mins with a team that essentially wasnt that weak (left wing withstanding) you need to re-evaluate your tactics, we could go out and buy all the players suggested on this blog, revamp the traning and fitness, but all of it doesnt mean shit when the team plays to a system that is so basic and fundamentally flawed that it would make sunday league managers cringe..

    im predicting next game he is gonna play 442, as he just lost and he thinks that 442 is an attacking formation because it has 2 strikers.. if im correct, a 29 year old keyboard warrior in australia has figured out the inner workings of a supposed premier league managers mindset, and i shudder to think that any premier league manager worth his salt would already know exactly how to play against pardew’s immaculate “4-2-3-1″ formation and im genuinely afraid for the upcoming season :(

    its like pardew got his degree in coaching from watching old school Serie A games on channel 4..

  • 218 savio // Jul 21, 2013 at 4:28 AM

    I was really disappointed the way we played under pardew last season….but i think i will give him time till our 1 st five games in the premier league gets over…its just pre-season games right now and i think man city lost both thier pre season games..pre-season doesnt mean anything…

  • 219 texasgaijin // Jul 21, 2013 at 4:54 AM

    hard to get too worked up over a preseason loss, but also hard to let slide another terrible performance that makes it feel like last season never ended. this is the time to experiment with players, tactics, and formations. i don’t understand why pardew wants to stick with an underwhelming 4-2-3-1 formation. if that’s how he wants to play, at the very least it’s clear jonas, marveaux, goofy, and cabaye/vuckic aren’t the right 4 players up front in that formation. not enough creativity, fluidity, and mettle. not enough offense to generate a real threat, and tackling too poor to protect the midfield and back 4. wish he would have tried 4-3-3 with something like sissoko/anita, cabaye, and tiote across the middle. goofy can’t play as the lone striker, especially without wings that also threaten goal. i think goofy looks best in a 4-3-3 supporting a center forward like cisse. ideally, HBA would be the other player up top. hope pardew tries something different in the next match.

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