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Pardew Grooming This Frenchman As Future Newcastle Captain

11:32 am, Saturday, July 20th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 300 Comments

Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa seems to be impressing Alan Pardew big time this summer, not only with this attitude, but with his form in training, and the 23 year-old Frenchman is already showing the obvious leadership skills he has. which made him such a successful and effective captain at Montpellier, when he was still young.

mapou yanga-mbiwa closeup

Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa – a future Newcastle captain – it’s likely

Alan Pardew has given an extensive interview today on the Newcastle web-site today, and this is what he had to say about Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa:

“The center halves is an area I’m particularly happy with. We have four experienced guys and Mapou (Yanga-Mbiwa) in particular has now had six months in England and is looking terrific.”

“We have a lot of good things in place, and in the three years I’ve been here I definitely feel this is as strong as we’ve ever been at this stage of a season.” Mapou is a natural leader and has done it before for Montpellier in the Champions League.”

“The only thing he is lacking is experience of the Premier League but that will obviously come, and his English is improving all the time.” You can see in the way he trains and plays that he is a natural leader and I want to encourage that out of him even more.”

“We need more of those types of players and that leadership.”

We would expect Mapou to concentrate on speaking the English language well, and as soon as possible, and that will then set him up as a future Newcastle captain, and his style of leadership is very much like that of former captain Kevin Nolan.

Fab Coloccini still has three years left on his contract on  Tyneside, and we hope the Newcastle captain can stay and see out his contract, but watch for Mapou to be named vice captain at some stage in the future, and maybe sooner rather than later.

And when Colo does finally leave (he’s been great for Newcastle),  then assuming Mapou can win his place in the Newcastle starting eleven, which is still a question at the moment, then he would be a very good choice as the next Newcastle captain.

What do you think?

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300 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Get French Football ?@GFN_France
    Le Parisien: PSG’s final summer target after Marquinhos, Digne and Cavani is Yohan Cabaye they claim. #PSG #NUFC

  • 2 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Get French Football ?@GFN_France
    Can categorically deny that a €4m bid has been accepted for Bafetimbi Gomis. #OL #NUFC #AVFC

  • 3 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Repost due to Eds shorthand posting skills.
    I still don’t think this summer is as bad as last as last year we were full of hope and expectation filled with thoughts of quite possibly having an outside chance of CL or at least an EL spot going down to the wire a few quotes and lack of investment have had us put firmly back in our places now with top eight getting people excited.

  • 4 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Here’s an idea then, start him instead of spherical stevie
    Infact tell stevie he’s not even in the matchday squad til the fat bugger gets himself looking like a premier league footballer rather than a premier league darts player, it’s disgraceful

  • 5 magpie6699 // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    tads (previous post) – I read it on Spectator’s view – said that the FA had announced it but not the club?

  • 6 wolfshead@toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    tads

    haha he prob has a pint of lager at half time

  • 7 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Robin Bairner ?@RBairner
    #Marseille boss Baup confirmed yesterday no offers for #Gignac. #Newcastle had reportedly made an approach. #NUFC

  • 8 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Wolfshead
    Obviously how else would wash down his pie?

  • 9 OhSholaAmeobi // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Thank god we missed out on Douglas. He’s signed for Dynamo Moscow which pretty much shows the level he’s at.

  • 10 Tommyy // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Everything we do Is so so slow.

  • 11 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    the way i see it i think we will sign gomis 4m
    remy if rape case cleared
    bent if shola goes
    cardozo or similar if cisse goes

    i think cabaye will go to psg, but with pardew saying we are strong in midfield this money may go into a striker target

    i dont think ben arfa will leave

  • 12 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/exclusive-newcastle-united-get-top-academy-status-but-they-just-forgot-to-tell-us/

  • 13 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Magpie
    Seems strange the FA would announce it and not the club
    Either way hope its true, it’s a disgrace the standards were to the point we had to contents the original decision let alone if he hadnt done enough to get it through this time!

  • 14 blew // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    Tads @ 4
    We will see what happens when Broken Brain
    picks his team. I have a feeling one of his favourites-Taylor-will be before Mbiwa. I would build the defence around the latter.

  • 15 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Blew
    If Taylor is picked ahead of this lad something is seriously seriously wrong

  • 16 wolfshead@toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    tads

    lmao :-)

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    tads

    i didnt mind saylor ahead of him last year…mbiwa was settling and looked a bit shaky and we needed experience in the sqaud then (saylor had done well the year before).

    I’d rather have mbiwa in now…hes had time to settle, a full pre season to build partnerships…now he is ready.

  • 18 Jamseyd24 // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Seems pretty obvious to me with all this talk of Mbiwa as next captain means that Cabaye is on his way out. I was sure he was supposed to next in line

  • 19 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    mbiwa is an absolute class act was buzzing when we signed him he is going to be a rock this season

    french title winning captain and considered the best young french cb in years till varane came along!

  • 20 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    Pardew said “We are trying to strengthen our attacking area. In midfield and at the back we are comfortable.

    “I really feel there will be a player or two who moves on because of a little overload in midfield.”

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bafetimbi-gomis-come-me-plea-5162560

  • 21 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    If Saylor starts next season then that will, once and for all, show that Pardew is clueless, The positive news is that he has shown how important M’biwa is in his estimations by giving him the captains armband so hopefully that now means Wor Stevie will be sitting on the bench next season :D

  • 22 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    i hope we show cabaye enough of a long term goal, enough ambition to convince him to stay

    i know its just on paper, and i know its assuming all are fit but, if santon learns to position himself better, even if cabaye leaves we have

    krul
    debuchy mbiwa colo santon
    anita tiote
    hba sissoko marv
    cisse/gomis?

    a great team on paper, but obviously tiote needs to get back to form, and if cabaye leaves we will lack depth in cm even though pards says we are strong

  • 23 kt97toonarmy // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    I think mbiwa is a class LB Cas walcott didnt get by him at all when he played there and lets b honest not many better than walcott

  • 24 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    *captain’s armband temporarily of course.

  • 25 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    kt97

    There are many, many, many players better than Walcott.

    He’s terrible.

  • 26 magpies // Jul 20, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    IF WERE GOING TO SELL CISSE WE HAV TOP REPLACE HIM WIV GOMIS. THATS THE ONLY PLAYER I CAN C VERY SIMILAR TO CISSE. AND HES A REALY GOOD PLAYER. BOTH TOGEVA ARE GOING TO MAKE A STRIKE FORCEEE.

  • 27 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    Speaking about Bobby Robson’s former assistant(Mourinho), Pardew quipped: “I am looking forward to seeing him. He owes me some wine!

    “I will be telling him I am still better looking than him!

  • 28 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    Sage
    I couldn’t stand seeing Taylor starting last year mate, he was shocking, the worst of the games being both legs vs benfica, absolutely appualing

    Most CB’s who lack pace and ability normally make up for it with positional sense and a good reading of the game, he had none of them
    He just shouts, flaps his arms, plays attackers onside, grabs handfuls of shirt, handballs all the time and can’t tackle
    All that seems to be forgotten because he has an accent and sometimes puts his block of wood he has instead of a head in amongst people’s feet
    I actually think he’s slightly worse than willo, at least willo can partner colo, something Taylor has had little success in doing

  • 29 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Goodbye Cabaye and Cisse and hello Gomis and Gignac according to reports a double swoop for the french strikers.

  • 30 kt97toonarmy // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Not when walcotts on form tho nd i bet u wouldnt mind him playing 4 us on the left instead of gutierez

  • 31 kt97toonarmy // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Pls not gignac hes awful

  • 32 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    https://twitter.com/schtev_slade/status/358537125425197056/photo/1

  • 33 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Kt79
    Sign a CB for like £8mil, an area where we are very thin, then play him at LB a position where we have plenty?

  • 34 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Kt97

    Like I said yesterday, just because a poor player is better than another poor player doesn’t mean we should sign him.

    Walcott is nothing but a greyhound with absolutely no end product, he only looked decent when he was chasing that contract, and obviously we made him look good.

    He’s a terrible player.

  • 35 Ginger // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    kt97toonarmy

    The only thing Walcott has is a hell of a lot of pace. He’s the type of player that if one of your CB’s drop there focus for just a split second he’ll be a few yards ahead of you and in the sight of goal, and there’s no catching him.

    Mbiwa is an intelligent defender, so he knew how to deal with the pace.

  • 36 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    NUFC Stats ?@NUFC_Stats
    According to L’Equipe, Olympiacos are keen to sign the 27-year-old Sylvain Marveaux on a season-long loan deal #nufc

    Sounds like BS…but report it anyway.

  • 37 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    If Cabaye leaves and Anita gets injured who’s his replacement ?

  • 38 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Jail

    Don’t worry, Perch can cover…oh wait…

  • 39 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    These french strikers have to be better than Ameobi. last season we had no one coming off the bench only Shola who is a digrace 23 games 1 goal, at least Gignac scored 13 goals in 28 games, and Gomis scoed 16 goals in 34 games. So they have to be an improvement on whats at the club.

  • 40 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2370164/Atalantas-new-signing-Giulio-Migliaccio-helps-drive-army-tank-cars-Roma-Brescia-colours.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  • 41 Indian Magpie // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    http://thespectatorsview.com/2013/07/20/newcastle-united-awarded-category-1-status-for-academy/

  • 42 kt97toonarmy // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Jail 4 ashley

    Replacement will b bigi or evan vuckic 2 gud young prospects however if cabaye goes id expect some1 just as gud or better

  • 43 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Ahhh, the polemics of the NUFC blog – Walcott a “terrible player.”, you’ve got to chuckle.

  • 44 kt97toonarmy // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Tads

    Who could we sign for 8 mill as a defender cas the only defenders we have took intrest in is tomkins zouma and rolando none of them worth that much

  • 45 Jail for Ashley // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Kt9,
    Maybe Bigi , would you expect to see a lkke for like player if Cabaye went or some more depth up top, imo Cabaye won’t go as he was apparently instrumental in the other French lads signing don’t you think he might have given some assurances before Debuchy signed.

  • 46 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Sakho would be a great signing to play alongside Mapou.

  • 47 G // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    Anybody got any solid updates on the Gomis talk? People have been quick to point out how bad he is, however, he is actually quite skillful, he’s just not very quick, in fact continental drift is quicker. For those who think this is a bad thing can I point out that a good striker does not necessarily need pace, however, it does break up a defense well.

  • 48 kt97toonarmy // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    G
    I only seen him play in the europa league against spurs nd i thought he was decent but i wouldnt pay a penny more then 8 million for him

  • 49 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    I agree, Wallcott is far from terrible. But he is certainly no Henry.

    Out of all the strikers we are now linked with Remy is the best IMO.

    ——HBA——–Cisse——–Remy——

    Simple as that ;)

  • 50 kt97toonarmy // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    G

    Gomis talk is quiet at the minute m8

  • 51 kt97toonarmy // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    Big pappa cisse

    Lol ur gonna have to go on a diffrent blog when u leave
    Lol

  • 52 toon kk // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    I hope JK doesn’t put future signings off coming. I can’t imagine his negotiation skills been very good either.

  • 53 G // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Nowt new then, thanks for the info peeps, off the keyboard today and pushed for time and wont be able to read all todays threads. Cheers guys.

  • 54 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    KT79
    The point was we signed mbiwa as a CB for £8 mil so why play him LB just because he had a good game there

  • 55 Ian Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    I hope were close to bringing Gomis on board. He is not a player I am too familiar with, only having seen him on you tube but those that are, say he provides pace and movement which will make him the ideal partner for Cissé. I am looking forward to seeing him recapture the form that made him a Premier League sensation which with the right sort of service and a few players running beyond him he is more than capable of.

    There would not be and indeed should not be, any doubt about Cisse
    starting the new season but for the totally inept handling of the Wonga issue by the club and indeed Llambias could well have been at fault in not foreseeing it as an issue. As a priority we need a Chief Executive to anticipate potential “issues” and manage them – this would have been addressed by Chris Mort months ago.

    I thought it was very well covered in an excellent post which is worthy of repeating. IMHO.
    I will post it below once I have located it.

  • 56 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    JFA
    If we sold cabs, I’d try and bring in arteta, think he’d be great pulling strings for us in the middle

  • 57 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    I hope Willamson, Gosling and Marveaux are moved on just like Perch.

  • 58 kt97toonarmy // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Cause santon dosent know what defend means i think personnly we shud push him 2 left mid

  • 59 AMEOBI // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Well the blog today has been lively really like the news on Gomis and Remy, seen someone wanting Cardozo to replace Cissé really sounds positive but I’d rather keep Papiss!

  • 60 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    Cardozo has agreed a move to Fenerbache, not that we were ever in for him.

  • 61 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    @ kt97

    Possibly :) . Although until I hear any direct quotes from Cisse reguarding Wonga rather than “sources close to the player” I have faith in him.

    With the right service he is a guarenteed 20 goals a season striker. At the end of the day he is suited to a style that uses width and playing him on the wing is unforgivable, Pardew should be given his P45 for decisions like that.

  • 62 Ian Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    As per 55

    36 BandB // Jul 20, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    A possible Wonga/Cisse clash was apparent months ago, but was dismissed as paper muck-raking.
    Cisse’s view may be that the club has had months to address his grievance, but has refused to accept he has a grievance.
    Muslims are not one-size fits all. They are not “these people”. The man has a right to define what his own grievance is, whether you agree with it or not.

  • 63 Belfast // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Gomis and Remy would be two good signings like.

    Convinced Cisse has been offered mega bucks to go to Russia and he’s trying to force the move.

    Would be nice to get Sinclair in aswell

  • 64 geordie157 // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    If cabaye goes that leaves. Tiote, Anita, bigi, sissoko that can play centre mid. Inman is more an attacking midfielder. So we could do with another maybe.

    Andros Townsend on a season loan would be a good addition. Impressed in a struggling side last season won’t play much with bale and Lennon ahead of him.

  • 65 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Sell Cisse, all this Muslim nonsense is just a cover for a move.

  • 66 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Anyone that wants Marveaux gone clearly can’t see his talent. This season he will stay injury free and show his true potential. Didn’t he get most assists for us last year as well ? .

  • 67 MacToon // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    “So we are pleased to announce Newcastle United now have Category One Academy status…watch out for this breaking news from the club any month now!”

    :lol:

  • 68 geordie157 // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Assuming cabaye and Cisse leave.

    I’d sign James McCarthy, Sinclair, Remy and gomis.

    Bet we hear Pardew saying Obertan is impressing pre season soon, giving him another chance to impress.

  • 69 Ian Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Belfast – who or what has convinced you?

  • 70 Belfast // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    If he was such a devout muslim he wouldn’t of wore the virgin money logo, or go to casinos.

    All seems a bit strange to me.

    His agents probably been in his ear telling him how much he could earn elsewhere.

  • 71 geordie157 // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Want to see Marv or vuckic playing in the no.10 role.

  • 72 toon kk // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Everything is just speculation what ever Pardew says, Until there’s a proper bid put in.
    One thing I can almost guarantee we won’t be spending too much in this transfer window.

  • 73 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    Bonjour messieurs.

    FRENCH STRIKERS ON SALE! FRENCH STRIKERS ON SALE! GOOD PRICES!

  • 74 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Belfast
    He wouldn’t be living with a non faith girlfriend out of marriage either

  • 75 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Niafron
    I knew the toon and maybe pardew were highly regarded in France but I didn’t think they would take are defensive brand of football this far!!!!!!!!

  • 76 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Gignac, his signing is immminent!

  • 77 Belfast // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Ian

    Because a few months ago he was linked with the mega bucks Russian club who pay the daft wages.

    Then he becomes the devout muslim who can’t wear the Wonga logo even though he had no problem wearing the virgin money one.

    He’s probably been told he could triple his wages in Russia, but the club value him at 20 million plus and the Russian club won’t pay that much.

    Trying to force the club to sell him at a cheaper price maybe ?

    Or I’m just a crap detective lol

  • 78 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    We’ll be fieding more French players than most of Ligue 1, next season – potential and not improbable starting line-up against Man City:

    Everyone being fit, I imagine by the time Man City comes around, we’ll line-up like this:

    _______________Krul_______________
    Debuchy___Mbiwa___Colo___Santoon
    __________Tiote_____Sissoko
    ______________Cabaye
    ___HBA__________________Remy
    _______________Gomis

    Wouldn’t have Tiote in there myself, but I reckon Pardew will persist with him to start with, unfortunately.

  • 79 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    I’m in the school of thought that if Cisse is indeed kicking up a fuss about Wonga, it is purely with the intention to force a move, very disingenuous if this is the case though.

  • 80 Ian Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    He could be following Benteke in looking for an improved contract !
    I just want him to stay along with our other top players supplemented by 2-3 offensive newcomers.
    I see AC is unfit for the start of the season.

  • 81 t00ntime // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    Gignac isnt coming here. He himself has said he doesnt want to come to Newcastle because it would be a step down. So if he comes it would be for cash, do you think we can persuade anyone with cash? Lol

  • 82 Belfast // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    I don’t think he’s that great anyway to be honest.

    I was always in the minority who preferred Ba

  • 83 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    its all gone quiet on the goalie hunt. i hope they get one in as Elliot, is shocking.

  • 84 MonkseatonMag // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    Hi Lads. First time poster, so don’t shout…. The way I see it, the squad is imbalanced – ie. we’re ‘swamped’ with quality central midfielders, have no wingers as such and only one true forward. This, coupled with Pardew’s long ball game which actually bypasses our strong midfield is baffling to say the least – or is it? The most lucrative form of football management is to actually be a failure (esp if you’re on a long contract!)

  • 85 Ian Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Belfast
    I would have Ba back should Cisse go.

  • 86 Rotonda heights // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    tads @ 15

    think we all know the answer to that.

  • 87 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Well, no one ask my opinion so i will give it gladly:

    Amongst these three french strikers, Rémy is the only one to have the international level.

    But we all know what’s wrong about him.

  • 88 Ben3arfa // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Newcastle striker Papiss Cissé is interesting Russian side Rubin Kazan. [Daily Mail]

  • 89 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    Belfast
    Yup much preferred ba, was a more all round CF had good ability in all aspects of the game where cisse is very reliant on have chances set up on a silver platter for him, even then he still struggles to stay on side!

    Ian Toon
    If he’s going for a new contract then I’d rather he left tbh
    If he just came out and said I want a new contract then fair enough, but to say nope I’m not wearing the logo it’s against my beliefs/morals (take your pick apparantly) but maybe you can convince with a few extra quid on my pay cheque then, no thanks see ya later because he will be left looking a complete and utter fool

  • 90 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    We could persuade Gignac with a good meal.

    Unfortunatly, you english people are famous for your awfull way of cooking…

  • 91 BandB // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Everything I’ve heard or read about Cisse suggests he is an honorable man.
    People have been very quick to dismiss him as a liar, a hypocrite and a money-grubber, without any of us knowing what’s going on behind the scenes.
    There ARE liars, hypocrites and money-grubbers involved in this sorry saga, and it seems highly ironic to me to see Cisse being labelled in this way.
    He may be angling for a move. That does not justify the kind of generalisation that has involved references to Muslims as “these people” and suggestions that he’s behaving in a way typical of the Senegalese.
    The whole affair is micey. It could and should have been dealt with before now. I wish he was with the squad. There’s football to be played.

  • 92 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Milan Badelj would be my choice if we could get him.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3_blDat-wc

    I don’t mind if we get McCarthy in to replace Cabaye.

  • 93 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Niafron
    Are you suggesting that gignac could well give Taylor a run for his money as the toon tubbiest player!

  • 94 Ian Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    plana – Elliot is not as good as Tim. He is a perfectly good understudy.

  • 95 Belfast // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Would have Ba back tomorrow no problem.

  • 96 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    BandB
    I don’t think it has anything to do with his religion, he’s shown enough contradictions in his faith to suggest he’s doesn’t practise that strictly, with gambling, drinking, living with a non faith partner out of wedlock

    I don’t think it has anything to do with his morales

    I don’t find it ironic he’s being seen as money hungry, he’s a footballer, he has agents, agents don’t get the big pay day if there client is happy with there current contract or happy at there club

    Intrest from mega rich anzhi + wonga + agent = a CF with an agent twisting his sparodic beliefs with an eye on a mega bucks move

    Bye bye cisse, MA will not lose face by backing down or offering a new contract

  • 97 toon kk // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Belfast. .
    I would have Ba back too but now he and his agents have had a taste of better money it will never happen.

  • 98 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    @Tads

    Not sure to understand what “tubbiest” mean, but Gignac is famous in France for his weight.

    Some years ago, during Paris Vs Marseille game (the greatest game in France), all Paris fans sang: “Un Big Mac pour Gignac!”

    Wich mean a Big mac (The Mac Donald’s meal) for Gignac.

    Since then, he’s called “Big Mac Gignac”.

    Well, at least, i must recognize the lad got some sense of humour for he said his favourite meal wasn’t Big mac but nuggets.
    And he make this pic to laugh about it:

    http://choucroutegarnie.fr/portfolio/gignac-x-kfc/

    And there, the vid of “Le Parc des prince” singing the famous song:

    http://www.divertissonsnous.com/2012/04/14/un-big-mac-pour-gignac/

    Anyway, Gignac is a nice fellow, but there’s real doubt about him becoming a top striker.

  • 99 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    @Tads

    Not sure to understand what “tubbiest” mean, but Gignac is famous in France for his weight.

    Some years ago, during Paris Vs Marseille game (the greatest game in France), all Paris fans sang: “Un Big Mac pour Gignac!”

    Wich mean a Big mac (The Mac Donald’s meal) for Gignac.

    Since then, he’s called “Big Mac Gignac”.

    Well, at least, i must recognize the lad got some sense of humour for he said his favourite meal wasn’t Big mac but nuggets.
    And he make this pic to laugh about it:

    http://choucroutegarnie.fr/portfolio/gignac-x-kfc/

  • 100 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    …and he MADE a pic…

    There, the vid of “Le Parc des prince” singing the famous song:

    http://www.divertissonsnous.com/2012/04/14/un-big-mac-pour-gignac/

    Anyway, Gignac is a nice fellow, but there’s real doubt about him becoming a top striker.

  • 101 Ian Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Tads- I have briefly along with fellow travellers chatted over a season to all of our Muslim players. They all appear genuinely glad to be playing for the toon and I feel that the problem could be managed with a degree of compromise.
    Tiote tends to smile a lot and not say very much but Cisse (maybe superficially) is a quiet personality whilst expressing a love for the toon. I never really understand how people know, but he’s supposedly only on £ 40,000 a week. I can barely type at the thought of the ludicrous amount but he is not a top earner. Or so I was told.
    It’s not unusual in football for players to declare their love of the club
    only to see them move on. I will be disappointed if he goes because
    he is a talent. The service he got last season was abysmal even you at your peak would have struggled to trouble the scorer.

  • 102 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Well Remy and Gomis have an almost identical goal/game ratio: Remy has 1 goal every 2.8 against Gomis’ 1 goal every 2.88, but Gomis has appeared in over 150 games more than Remy, and we know a significant portion of Gomis’ appearances were as sub. Gomis also has the same amount of international goals as Remy, in 8 less appearances.

    Anyway, I see Remy as predominantly a wing-forward, and from what I’ve seen of Gomis, he plays very similarly to Ba, so not a good comparison.

    Can definitely see that we’re trying to assemble a squad packed with French players, primarily because they’re cheap, but also to try and cultivate a shared feeling of “let’s have a smashing season and go to the World Cup together!.”, an extra incentive. That’s why I think Cisse will be away for around £15m and Remy will also come in, to give us a front 4 of:

    __________Cabaye
    ___HBA____________Remy___
    __________Gomis

  • 103 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Niafron
    Yeah mate tubby means a bit overweight!
    Never been impressed when I’ve seen this lad seems extremely lethargic no pace and frankly a poor finisher
    Also seems to offer little to the team if he’s not scoring
    As for €14 mil that has to be a joke right?

  • 104 BandB // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    TADS

    No, you don’t think it has anything to do with his religion, but you don’t KNOW that.
    The guy is being publicly stoned on the basis of some pretty sweeping assumptions and visceral reactions.
    Ali was accused of being a coward and a draft dodger, by people who also raised his relationships with women as evidence of his hypocrisy. Now his courage and principle is almost (almost) universally admired.

  • 105 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Ian Toon
    I agree there needs to be a compromise if the situation is to be resolved
    However with the money Wonga have supposedly already pumped into the academy and being on such a long term contract I just can’t see MA admitting a wrong doing or back tracking on an appointment and think this will only end one way
    Of course would love for that not be the case

  • 106 toon kk // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    As for Cisse if he’d been following his Muslim beliefs he shouldn’t of been wearing the virgin money shirt last season. I have nothing against religious people but we all have to do things in life we don’t want or believe in doing.
    When he puts his wages in the bank they will lend it out to someone else, its how the world works.

  • 107 Mister Tuff // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    BandB @90.
    Good post ref the Cisse situation. I think a lot of fellow posters have not got a good grasp of the situation as you allude to.
    I read earlier someone posted this matter should have arisen months ago – well news for him -it did as far back as October 2012. As for comments like he’s after more money or his head has been turned -seems to me to be ill informed garbage -speculation without any substance.
    A few days ago one poster posted an article about usury and it was very informative about the issues involved.
    As for Cisse himself -it’s not so long ago he was hailed as a good person because of his charity work in his home town -getting an ambulance etc.
    So because he refuses to wear the Wonga logo for the Toon he is now cast as the villain.
    I have read some ill informed input from fellow bloggers – granted it is not an easy issue
    to get one’s head around – from my perspective I have absolutely no doubt that the club have not managed this properly and I would go as far as suggesting the club have discriminated against Cisse -in respect of offences contrary to the Equality Act 2010.
    I really do not know who is advising the club on these matter clearly some divvy.
    Cisse’s stance is supported by Senior Members of the Newcastle Central Mosque.
    For those who dod not see the Look North item about this -check out the below link (from
    1.13 to 3.36).
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b036yzy1/Look_North_(North_East_and_Cumbria)_19_07_2013/

    All this could have been prevented if those nice people at Wonga agreed to allow him to wear a charity logo – have they been involved in the discussions -who knows. Another PR disaster -self inflicted.

  • 108 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    G’day guys from down under and a pretty damn chilly Oz.

    Whats the news today?

    Pardew resigned?
    Ashley sold up?
    Messi signed?

    Nope. Oh well, another boring weekend then

  • 109 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    i preferred cisse to ba all along, but hes the kind of player that needs a team set up around him, which i dont think pardew is prepared to do

    by the sounds of it the team is now going to be built around moussa sissoko

  • 110 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLtwFugudZE

  • 111 The Boy // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    talk sport just said we still have Ranger playing for us they are clueless

  • 112 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    BandB
    Never claimed I did know that, in the same way nobody knows that he isn’t doing it for personal gain
    I’m sure there have been many idols and martyrs in faith over the years, wouldn’t know I’m not remotely religious,
    But I find it hard to believe of some one who earns hundreds of thousands a month through wage demands (which in turn push up ticket prices for the people cisse is apparently wonga is exploiting, and also leads a club to outsource financial backing like wonga)

  • 113 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    I’m just saying Gomis’ 2nd to last person he followed on twitter was Cabaye.

  • 114 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Yohan

    If we had playes set up wide to service Cisse, then he would score shedloads but last season, expecially the laast few games, we rarely serviced him and to be honest, our basics of the game such as ball retention, closing down and holding up play was sunday parkstuff.

    I wouldn’t have Ba back even on a free. He is a mercenary and I hope he rots on the bench at Chelsea

  • 115 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    bottom line is ashley is a ruthless businessman, hes stuck with the club now, might aswell make some money

  • 116 Ian Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Belfast— you got there. You are a crap detective.

  • 117 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    expat

    cisse is one of my favourite players

    but im having to come to terms with the fact he may well leave :(

    at the time i genuinely thought ba leaving wass for the good of the club

    but like you see if cisse had the right service he would score absolutely loads, hes just a quality instinctive striker

  • 118 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    @TADS

    Yes a joke…

    Well, Gignac got one thing for him, when he got the momentum, he really play with an impressive energy. In such situations, he could be a game changer and bring all his team along with him.

    This is why in the past, he was able to score alot of goals for a while. But on a long run…

    On the plus side, he’s a pacey striker when Gomis and Cissé are target men.

    So this is more the kind we need.

    His true nick name his “El Gitano”, for he’s from a gipsy family.

  • 119 BandB // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    TADS, Mr Tuff,

    I don’t have a religious objection to Wronga. But I do have a strong moral one, which people are free not to share.
    I will not demonize Cisse for the sake of what I regard as a deeply unscrupulous company.
    The “what about Virgin Money” argument is a classic Straw Man one. It’s like arguing that Christian Barnard and Harold Shipman were both doctors.
    Thanks for the support Tuff.

  • 120 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    @Sazzer

    Ahah!

    Glorious!

  • 121 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    this is what happens when cabaye and cisse are both on form https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uucjvstiavw

  • 122 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    i would love us to get remy and replicate the system that mashed west brom all that time ago :(

  • 123 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    I agree with Band B

    Cissé is not an extremist, like everyone, he accept to make compromise with his own morale in order to work well with others.

    But not beyond some point.

    So Virgin is maybe lending money, but the way Wonga is doing it is another thing.

  • 124 Ian Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    Mr Tuff- a very well balanced submission.
    Any suggestion of Cisse just being a money grabber and
    unprincipled does not stand up to close examination of
    the facts as we know them.

  • 125 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Bedders, from last article… yes he would score more if he was onside, although technically he has more goals to his name whilst being onside.

    Forwards miss chances, or else they’d have over 100 a season. That’s the players even in the good teams.

    The lack of quality into the box for Cisse is shocking and that is how you base the team around. Once that is in order, then Cisse should be honed.

    For the very poor scraps he’s asked to feed on, his confidence and performance will be affected. Meaning, not only is he not getting the service which even an average team should be providing, but due to that very same aspect of the rubbish tactics, his sharpness in front of goal will be affected as well.

    It all stems back to tactics and coaching which are the basics of any successful team, regardless of the quality which you have.

    The fact that we’ve got good players and still play this way, is unacceptable management in my opinion.

  • 126 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Yohan

    Yes, I agree and of we had wingers of the quality of Gillespie and Ginola, Cisse would have scored 30 goals a season.

    This seems to have by passed Pardews way of thinking and when you look at the season when we finished 5th and the 433 set up with pace and fluidity up front, Cisse was being classed in the 40 million quid bracket,

    Pardew’s defensive tactics ;ast season left him so isolated to the point where I don’t actually blame the lad if he did want away.

  • 127 toon kk // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    It’s a shame if Cisse leaves, his lack of goals last season apart from him for getting the off side rule was his terrible lack of service. A lot of strikers would struggle with so poor service.

  • 128 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    You know, these situations should not surprise anyone anymore.

    As I have said many of times, this regime, on the footballing side, is insufficient. It’s simply not good enough.

    Even our business and financial decisions are causing us problems now.

    While I know we are stuck with MA, it’s important to note he is causing all these major problems with NUFC through a lack of care and consideration for the club.

    The amount of managers, resignations and a lack of investment in the squad all speaks for itself. We are set-up for failure and it is filtering down to the playing field.

    Every bit of good the club has right now is to suit MA’s own agenda, not for his want of good for the club.

    While he may well would like to do well, and we see snippets now and again of good doing, you only have to look at the state of this football club this past five years to realise he is treating it poorly. The lack of care and consideration is startling.

    We may well be better off from our last owners, but that dosn’t mean we have to like it.

    Roll on the football season so I can take my mind off this complete farce of a bloke.

  • 129 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Evening Tuff

    How are you today

  • 130 Mister Tuff // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Ian Toon -thanks for your support of my post regarding Cisse.

  • 131 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    if we let cisse go we will regret it when we see him scoring 25+ a season at a club with adequate service

  • 132 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Toon Prod.

    Good post and very true in many rrespects.

    The first person I would change is the Public Relations lass. The latest news or should we say, lack of news regarding the grading of the academy is evidence of this alone.

    Supporting NUFC reminds me of what it must have been like in Stalinist Russia. Secretive, devisive and untruthful while putting the fear of god into the people with strange decisions and ruling with a rod of iron.

    Yep, Ashley is a communist

  • 133 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    lee ryder has just done a good article on the prospect of gouffran being used as a central striker

    apparently hes looking very good in the training camp where hes playing st due to cisse absence

    i for one would give him a crack there, you never know things might click

    i think we should have cisse, gouffran, gomis ameobi/campbell

    as our striker options, i.e. only buying 1 striker

    then investing in two sound, quality out and out wingers

  • 134 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    He certainly has the pace to trouble defenders and he did score 3 goals last season from central positions but I feel even if we keep Cisse, buy Gomis, we really need to sign Remy and get rid of Shola.

    Campbell is not ready yet and would benefit from a season in the championship

  • 135 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    It’s not a suprise Gouffran does well as CF because it’s been his main position for most of his career.

  • 136 toon kk // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Personall I think alot of people over rate our squad, yes we have a few talented players but how many would get into a top four club? We’ll have to get used to mediocre football as long as MA and Pardew own and manage our club.
    Shame.

  • 137 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    @kebab

    Yes, i thought to that. As i said, we need a pacey striker, so Goufy could be an option.

  • 138 Yohan Kebab // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    sazzer he was playing as a lf for bordeaux when we signed him i believe and thats the role we signed him for i thought

    anyway pardew is persistent on the 4231 formation, whereas i would be more in favour of a 433/4321

  • 139 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    @expatmag

    We french are all communists in a way. So i think you’re at the edge of establishing a fascinating theory about the NUFC’s french connexion

  • 140 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    TOON

    I think most people would be happy with top 8 at present and we are not far off being a very good squad.

    If we kept all our better players and brought in another couple of quality forwards, we would be up there challenging, if we had a quality and respected tactical coach like a Guus Hiddink.

    Most people realise this and sadly, even more realise we are stuck with Pardew so expectations are significantly lower.

  • 141 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    He also played striker during his career at Caen, his most succesfull time (i guess no one in England know anything about Caen, but it was the home town of William the conqueror!).

  • 142 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    NIAFRON

    LOL…………..very good Sir.

    It probably helps my theory that I am married to a Russian lass and often vent my frustration about the club to her.

  • 143 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    NIAFRON

    I knew that about Bill Conkers. Used to live at 1066 Hastings Road, didn’t he?

    Sorry mate, that was me pretending to be Joe Kinnear

  • 144 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Meanwhile in France…

    This is the last mountain stage of Le tour. Tomorow evening, they will reach Paris.

    Will probably go to see them, so i would tell you if Froome is a fine fellow!

  • 145 toon kk // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Expatmag
    Thats what I mean MA refusing to strenthen and Pards tactics holding us back.

  • 146 BandB // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Niafron,

    Caen, historic seat of the Dukes of Normandy.

  • 147 nut meg // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    No more wonga ….PLEASE. It’s been done to death!

  • 148 Ben3arfa // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Gignac scored some pretty decent goals last season

    He can play on the flanks and has good speed for his build (deceivingly fast)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL2mfj9JWhs

  • 149 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    TFS Swansea City ?@TFS_SwanseaCity
    Wilfried Bony has not received his work permit yet, therefore will continue to train at Vitesse until he does…

  • 150 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Transfer News Live ?@DeadlineDayLive
    Stoke City will make a £8m bid to sign former Manchester United reserve striker Mame Biram Diouf.

  • 151 WWYCD // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Gomis at 4 mill is a steal but where did that figure come from? And Remy is happy to come now?

    As for Cabaye/ Cisse departures I will be gutted to lose either of them but name on the front of the shirts more important that the one on the back. I hope Wonga see sense and let Cisse wear a charity on his shirt can only be good publicity for them and they are in need of that, as for Yo if he goes we better get 25+ mill for him

  • 152 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    If Cabaye goes and I have my doubts he will, I cannot see him going back to France due to the new taxation laws and if MU come calling, I doubt they would be prepared to pay the 25 million pound asking price Ashley would put on his head especially as there are quotes of Fabregas to MU for around the same price.

  • 153 JackButler // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    WWYCD

    Gomis only has a year left on his contract so 4mil is a good price.

    Just a french keeper left and we can field an entirely french side

  • 154 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Ok, sorry lads, you know the history of your royal hero, it is only a perfidious french to suggest the opposite.

    About William (Guillaume in french) it remind me this famous joke of Georges Clemenceau (French chief of government during WWI):

    “L angleterre? Une colonie qui a mal tournée!”

    England? A colony who badly turned!

  • 155 stuart no9 // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    niafron ——-
    So Virgin is maybe lending money, but the way Wonga is doing it is another thing.——–i’m sorry , religion dosnt work like that . You cant pick and choose specific moments when you want your religious beliefs to kick in . a lender is a lender – interest is interest regardless who the company is ,otherwise he would be called a hypocrite .

  • 156 ~Joke-innear~ // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    @Jack,

    The question now is, are there any young french keepers at the same level or better then Krul is?

  • 157 WWYCD // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    JB
    Still 4mill is a steal for Baby Drog, are we actually discussing terms now then?

    I’ll stick with wor Timmy unless Lloris fancies a move away from Spurs

  • 158 BandB // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Niafron

    I’ve been to Caen. Very nice churches, and great public transport. Better brandy, and lovely home-made sorbet. It’s amazing how it has bounced back after the hammering it got after D-Day.

  • 159 headtheball // Jul 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    I find the VITRIOL directed toward Cisse unbelievable. From hero to villain because of Wonga. Stevie Taylor, Elliot and Marveaux have also been pilloried. We should drop the United part of our name. This blog is sinking and turning toxic.
    Keep up the good work BandB, Mister Tuff and yes Ian.
    HWTL

  • 160 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    About Ben3arfa’ vid, Gignac is fit on it. Better you don’t seee pictures of him in a bad shape.

    Anyway, it show his qualities:

    -Excellent right shot
    -Good header
    -Good to call the ball in the open space
    -Pretty fast
    -And this famous energy i was talking about

  • 161 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    Headtheball
    Since when is questioning his motives vitriol?
    As for Taylor or Elliot how have they been pilloried?
    It’s been said Taylor is not good enough to keep his spot from mbiwa, that’s true it’s not abuse

  • 162 JackButler // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    WWYCD

    Talks reported to be at advanced stages, not sure if thats with club or player

  • 163 Mister Tuff // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    expat -afternnoon/evening -hows things with you -been croc hunting recently?

    Niafron —whooaa. loads of folks up here know plenty about Caen – like BandB I went there as a child, also visited Bayeaux.
    As for Guillaume le Conquerant – we know plenty about him as well. It was Williams eldest son Robert Curthose who built the “neuf castel” -now Newcastle.
    I did some posts several months ago in respect of how Newcastle should be named -in French – considering that the Dukes of Normandy spoke Latin with Germanic influences ( as distinct from southern France) and how the northern version of the language was responsible for the differing placements of adjectives -compared to the modern French grammatical rules.
    We are not daft up here.

  • 164 JackButler // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Reports in Portugal have us moving for Oscar Cardozo?

    http://www.touchlinetalk.com/newcastle-linked-with-south-american-goal-machine/58072/?

  • 165 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    That’s not bad, Tuff. It only took you 56 minutes to reply…..LOL

    As for the croc hunting, not my cup of tea. I much [prefer diving with GWSs

  • 166 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Stuart no9

    Can’t agree with that mate, this is an extremist approach of things, and most of the muslims aren’t.

    Beny made a good statement about it some time ago when he said:

    “I believe in God, but i drink alcohol and i like lasses…”

    Which isn’t expected of a perfect muslim.

    So you see, this all about compromise. I guess you don’t think to lie is a good thing, but did you never lie in your life?

    Some time, we make compromise with our own morale, cause if we didn’t, it would be impossible for us live alongside other people.

    Cissé is a professional football player, he got to accept it could have some consequences about the way he practice his religion.

    But everyone got a breaking point.

    Im’ sorry, but of what i know of Wonga, this is a bunch of thieves.

  • 167 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    Stuartno9

    Wow, didn’t expect to find God on a NUFC blog, the arbiter of religions speaks! He is among us!

    Perhaps he’s not a fundamentalist, meaning they don’t follow their holy book to the letter, ya’ know, like most people don’t in the modern world, with whichever religion they practice. Quit posting such facile, narrow-minded garbage.

    Here’s another angle: perhaps it’s more to do with Cisse’s background, coming from a poverty stricken village, instilling into him a compassion for other people that are struggling to survive. It doesn’t necessarily have to be religious based.

    Some of you would do well working in the tabloids, with your cynicism and pouncing on a story, twisting it, without any content backing up your claims.

    The guy is a good egg, by all accounts. Modest, philanthropic and keeps himself to himself. A bit of respect from his own club’s fans wouldn’t go amiss.

  • 168 WWYCD // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    JB
    Ah so it’ll still end in him not coming in haha

    On the anti Cisse thing personally I don’t like Wonga or companies like it it’s not a religious thing it’s just not in line with my morals and if I was told to promote it to anyone and I had the power to say no I would, Cisse has that power and he does a lot of good with his money and has a fair bit of influence over people (football is battered for having no role models) so as far as am considered he has my support. If he leaves he will go to a bigger wage that’s how football works doesn’t make him a scumbag in my eyes

    He may be using his religion to make a point but so what has no one ever met a religious person who has done the same? I’d rather keep Cisse than sport Wonga on our strip tbh

  • 169 newcastle10 // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    apparently talking to remys representatives next week us and west ham interested ssn

  • 170 Mister Tuff // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    expat -apologies for the delay -I’m in and out doing jobs -next job is sorting out some lead flashing on the roof before the missus gets back -or I’ll be for it. Your William the Conqueror joke was rubbish.

  • 171 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    @Mister tuff

    All right, all right!

    Ahah!

    But you agree with the fact the way you’re cooking is awfull?

  • 172 DS_NUFC // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    apparently talking to remys representatives next week us and west ham interested ssn

  • 173 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Yohan Kebab
    I’m not sure we would have signed Gouffran if we would have gotten Remy or PEA in January. Maybe, for free in the summer as an overall attacking back-up.

    §

  • 174 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    NIAFRON

    I wouldn’t eat anything cooked by Tuff. It s chips with everything……LOL

  • 175 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Yo
    Who you kidding you don’t have morals ;)
    Think most fans would rather not have wonga plastered across the kit
    A lot of people blame lamearse for the wonga deal but it was still green lighted by our wonderful owner
    Cancelling it would be admitting fault, allowing cisse to not wear the hideous insignia would be admitting fault
    MA has shown has doesn’t admit to mistakes ….

  • 176 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    On the Wonga, subject they are a legal company,who provide loans to people that live beyond their means. They don’t hold a gun to the borrowers heads. So less of the lessons in morality.

  • 177 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    DS

    your source please?

  • 178 Mister Tuff // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    niafron – whilst the cooking is slowly getting better – unfortunately I have to accept the fact that the French are better at cooking and again unfortunately have to admit that French bakers are the best in the world.
    I will be sampling some of the aforementioned cooking in about 5 weeks time as we take our summer holidays in France. Vive la France. Vive le Toon.

  • 179 WWYCD // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    toonarmydownsouth
    That’s just the character I play on here (and in life haha) deep down am a decent lad just wrapped in a helmet shell :D

    Tbh Wonga look a damn sight better as a company if the let a Muslim player wear a charity rather than their brand seems an easy solution no bad press as its on religious grounds

  • 180 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    Expat
    He said, SSN

  • 181 cheick n bake // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    Ruddy is an idiot

  • 182 DS_NUFC // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    expatmag
    the lad on sky sports news doing the transfer update said it

  • 183 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Viv

    Another ridiculously elementary understanding of the issue.

  • 184 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    And did you realise lads, that if John Landless didn’t loses the battle of la Roche aux Moines, we all could be citizens of the same country?

    Would have been interesting to see Zidane setting up Alan Shearer…

  • 185 NUFC FOR SALE // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    I wish this Wonga thing would just be put to bed.

    Wonga is not an evil company, its just the media using it as a cheap shot at Newcastle.

    What is more corrupt. A pay day lender company charging 2000% on a short term loan for relatively small amounts or a big bank lending people too much money on a mortgage that ultimately ends up in repossession and the occupants homeless.

    The southern press need to f##k right off keeping dragging up the Wonga thing when its the Southern bankers working in Canary Wharf that help to bankrupt the world.

  • 186 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    I see you are still being LEAD by C after all these years…..lol

  • 187 yorkshire_magpie // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    Agrees WWYCD. Remember kanoute did the same at sevilla and he was allowed to do it.

  • 188 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    Yo
    Very true
    Ah well it will unfold over the circus that is the toon off season!
    Only really 3 outcomes so will just have to see what happens
    Biggest shame as a non religious person is the fact that as our only real goal scorer he’s missing pre season!

  • 189 Levi // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    Is wonga worse then betting/gambling.

  • 190 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    DS

    Thank you. Down here in Oz, we don’t have SSN

  • 191 Mister Tuff // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    expat – is it true you used to act as a stunt double for Dame Edna Everage – but with the added bonus you did not need make up or the wardrobe department to kit you out.

  • 192 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    Suppose it’s easy to adopt a second-hand opinion and just repeat it – lazy minds.

  • 193 toonicle // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    Gomis, Remy and an English winger like Sinclair or maybe Wickham if we could get him and i’d be very happy.

  • 194 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    Yorkshire mag
    That’s not true mate
    He was given permission to do so whilst they were coming to a compromise, which resulted in 888.com and Sevilla pointing out he was in direct violation of his contractual duties at which stage he wore the logo with the compromise he didn’t have to advertise it on his training gear, match day track suit or have to do any PR or further endorsements of the web site

  • 195 yorkshire_magpie // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    Scared Remy might end up joining West Ham at the last minute. Would be De ja vu.

  • 196 stuart no9 // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    bring back laurant – niafron- so what you are saying is muslims can use their religion when they decide it will benefit them , not bad , so they have a win win situation . next you will be saying jews will eat pork , if it looks nice and got no fat on it .

  • 197 JackButler // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    Levi

    Yes they are mate, a betting/gambling are choices you can make, using companies like Wonga is the last resort for people who have no where else to turn

  • 198 WWYCD // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    yorkshire
    Exactly did no harm to anyone

    toonarmydownsouth
    Same boat here mate am pretty anti religion myself but that’s neither here nor there, end of the day if Cisse leaves our team is a lot weaker imo

  • 199 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    @Viv

    Sorry but this is not only about morality. In France, this is totaly forbiden to loan money with such rates.

    So, i do not have to tell you how to run your own country, but yes, i’m shocked about such bussisness.

    And i’m not a religious man.

  • 200 toonicle // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Although lot’s of reports coming out we might be going for Gignac now too. Haven’t seen much of him.

  • 201 Levi // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Jackbutler

    ok point taken. How about alcohol sponsors? IM not saying alcohol is bad but would cisse refuse to wear a brown ale sponsor because Muslims dont drink?

  • 202 WWYCD // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    toonarmydownsouth
    So he had to wear the logo on his kit in the end?

  • 203 Magpies-till-d3ath // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Guys, just for a bit of fun. Lets say we get Bent, Gomis and Remy. Who do you reckon would score the most and how much do you think they’ll get?

    Actually quite a tough one! Bent has proven he can do it in the prem consistently(when he plays). Gomis scores for fun in France. Remy had one brilliant season in France and got a couple in an awful QPR side.

  • 204 Sazzer // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    So what line-up are we going to see against Rio Ave?

  • 205 expatmag // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    TUFF

    No mate, I have been mistaken for Mel Gibson, in his prime

  • 206 wolfshead@toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    @171

    nowt wrong with chips

    @186

    nowt wrong with a punt

    :-)

  • 207 NotEvenGeordie // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    So, Plana is the wind up merchant on here then?

  • 208 Mister Tuff // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    last post before I need to go for a while -ref Ramadan and Sport.
    Last year these issues arose about what Musims were going to do as the Olympics coincided with Ramadan. There were scores of articles online at the time. The gist was that without food you could not really compete so Muslims were allowed dispensations/deferment for a couple of days to allow them to compete on an equal playing field. However it was not that simple as some Muslim countries allowed this and some did not – really diverse interpretations of what to do. So we cannot really come to a judgement that because one person did something another should do the same – so we really do not add anything to the argument by following the comparison path.
    There were, last year, some interesting scientific studies from the like of people at Loughbrough in respect of physiology etc during Ramadan.

  • 209 Mister Tuff // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    expat @202 – you like Mel Gibson —- hahaha – well at least your jokes are getting better.

  • 210 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Who’s the vicar @180?

  • 211 JackButler // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Levi

    Honestly don’t know, I’m not religious at all and honestly don’t understand the in’s and out’s of the Muslim faith.I simply don’t like Wonga or companies of that type as I’ve seen the damage that they can do.
    Personally I think that alcohol, tobacco, betting or money lending companies should not be allowed to advertise in sport

  • 212 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Yo
    Yup he had to wear it in the end

  • 213 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    BBLR
    Lazy minds? Second hand opinions?
    So almost as mis informed as your post earlier about how it’s pardews fault we have no new signings?

  • 214 yorkshire_magpie // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    Well I think cisse is right in what he is doing and I will back him all the way!!

  • 215 headtheball // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    NotEvenGeordie
    I think you may be on to something.
    HWTL

  • 216 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    Stuart 9

    So you think what happen now benefit to Cissé? And if Muslim People are now fasting 18 hours per day (with no water either), it’s because it benefit to them?

    Life seem very simple in the way you describe it…

    You know what, you inspire me, on monday, i will not go to work because my compagny isn’t honest all the time with our customers, and being myself a very honnest lad, i can’t stand that anymore.

    In fact, i think i will go to live in a desert, cause there, my life will be full of purity.

  • 217 Levi // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Jackbutler

    this may sound a bit strange but i like you haha very honest response. I agree with your last sentence as well. It annoyed me for years that McDonalds was plastered all over the fa too

  • 218 WWYCD // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    toonarmydownsouth
    Didn’t know that, shame imo

  • 219 wolfshead@toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    its all about the clubs being greedy for the advertising revenue with the exception of barca how about fifa banning all shirt sponsership

  • 220 stuart no9 // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    niafron- “I believe in God, but i drink alcohol and i like lasses…” so what ? i like alcohol , so does jesus – he loved it so much he even turned water into wine ! as for liking lasses , when did god ever say ” you shouldnt go with lasses ???? never read that before.

  • 221 WWYCD // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    wolfs
    Barca sold out man

  • 222 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Alleged comic Frankie Boyle, is on hunger strike the ginger twat!

  • 223 JackButler // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Knowing the potential issues that a deal with Wonga could cause with our Muslim players, does anyone think that our owner/chairman actually spoke with any of them before hand?
    As worst case scenario could have seen us in a position where HBA, Sissoko, Tiote, Cisse could have all wanted away

  • 224 JackButler // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    viv

    Just out of curiosity how old are you???

  • 225 yorkshire_magpie // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    Stuart no9. Every relegion has different believes and how far you go to practise them. If your lenient then you will break the rules of your religion. If your strict then you play to the rules which is what cisse is doing and fair play to him.

  • 226 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Same age as you butler old son, but a bit wiser!

  • 227 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Stuart n 9

    Beny isn’t Christian…

    In Islam, Alcohol is forbiden, and i do not even mention sexual relations outside of marriage.

  • 228 stuart no9 // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    niafron — cisse is fasting now because he is a “DEVOUT ” MUSLIM ” which brings me nicely back to my argument , that if he is a DEVOUT muslim , WHY did he wear the northen rock shirt and the virgin shirt but he WONT wear the wonga shirt . Dont get me wrong , i hate wonga as much as anyone else , but they are a lending company , the same as any bank in the world

  • 229 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    Viv

    No vicar, just know ignorance of a complex issue when I see it. I myself am ignorant, the only difference being I’m aware of it and don’t judge Cisse based on my ignorant point of view, offering up tedious platitudes, such as yourself.

    tads

    Precisely where did I say that? Think this hot weather must’ve frazzled your brain. You’re going all Joe Kinnear on us!

  • 230 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    Yo
    It is a shame mate, but when they start going into contract legalities I’m lost on what grounds you have with morals/faith tbh
    You’d hope your employ showed some empathy but legally I don’t know how much say he has
    Maybe my legal advisor Mister Tuff can shed some light?

  • 231 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    BBLR

    Laurent Robert 32
    5 hrs, 36 mins ago
    It’s ridiculous how long it’s taking to sign players. Pardew will be loving it as he’ll have another excuse to add to his list. That they didn’t have a full pre-season to blend with the other players.

    Whose fault is that then Alan?

  • 232 JackButler // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    Can’t remember Cisse wearing a shirt with Nortern Rock on it, thought we already had the Virgin sponsor when he joined???

  • 233 yorkshire_magpie // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    Yes your right jack butler it was virgin money.

  • 234 WWYCD // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    toonarmydownsouth
    Tbh am not sure where I stand on the contract vs religion argument, it’s the signees responsibility to understand what they are signing imo but equally religion is in need of understanding as well

    Hopefully Cisse can’t be strong armed in that way

  • 235 Levi // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    I would hope that he spoke to not just muslim players but all the players as wonga is such controversial company. However something tells me his ego is to big for that

  • 236 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    tads

    Erm, you definitely need a lie down in a cold, dark room; even on second inspection, you’re zeal for wanting to jump down somebodies throat, has led you into missing the important wee fact, that Laurent Robert 32 and Bring Back Laurent Robert aren’t the same alias.

  • 237 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    Cisse’s conscience @226 try pulling the same stunt at work as Cisse, and see how long you last. Its a player angling for a move so he has settled on the old religion ploy to push it through.

  • 238 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    No stuart, it’s not the same. The rates aren’t the same. there’s a difference.

    In France, we say:

    “Tout ne se vaut pas”.

    You must have a balanced judgement about the degree of a fault.

    There’s things who are bad in theory, but we accept them because we don’t want to live in an extremist society.

    And there’s other who simply go to far.

    I don’t like the bussisnes of lending money, but we must tolerate it in a way, cause until we develop a better system to boost on economy, this is a necessary evil.

    But one more time, there’s a breaking point. The rates of the loans made by Wonga are simply insane.

    So Cissé isn’t probably a perfect muslim, but he got the right to believe this time, this is too much to accept.

  • 239 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    “Old religion ploy.”, ahhh you know, that one ‘the old religion ploy’, everyone’s done it before, you know the one I’m talking about!

    Knucklehead. :lol:

  • 240 JackButler // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    Every company has a duty of care to it’s employees, that covers all aspects of health and safety, personal well being and religious matter’s, a friend of mine at work has to legally be allowed time to pray every day, but where it differ’s in the footballing world is that players are saleable commodities and if no compromise can be reached between Cisse and the club the only option left will be for the player to leave but the club could then be left with a player who’s fee and wages are not met and they have to pay him for not playing.
    In short it is a moral and legal minefield

  • 241 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    I cannot remember all this rubbish,when we had British players like big Al, playing for us.

  • 242 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    BBLR
    Ah it’s seems your right, been arguing for to long maybe
    Fair enough statement retracted and apology extended

  • 243 Goodfella // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    A little info on Gomis ;)

    http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/baf-gomis-french-expert-on-newcastles-next-number-9/?

  • 244 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    236 seems like an excitable muslim!

  • 245 JAMSHA // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM
    Stuart n 9
    Beny isn’t Christian…
    In Islam, Alcohol is forbiden, and i do not
    even mention sexual relations outside of
    marriage.

    lol 90% of them have relation outside marriage + havn 3 wifes n 8+ kids n a familia

  • 246 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    No problem, tads. Accepted.

  • 247 yorkshire_magpie // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    Plana. The sad fact that the british players of this era are all money grabbers. Our so called next akan shearer was andy carroll and what happened to him?

  • 248 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Mug @243 you should get yourself in for quick prayer at the mosque you radgy.

  • 249 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    Jamsha

    Yes, and they cut the throat of children to drink their blood.

  • 250 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    plana

    Maybe I am, maybe I aren’t. For the sake of it, let’s say I am – problem?

  • 251 Chrissie Waddle // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    Is it just me or is there a stirring of optimism rising from the banks of the Tyne!!
    Even without any new signings.
    Colo still here, johan, benny, defence looks tight, young guns getting fit,
    just ned to figure the frontline out…
    how about bringing Ba back???
    otherwise happy with
    cisse, gomis, remy bent , goofy, campbell vukic combo

  • 252 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    Viv

    What’s that supposed to mean? Don’t want to leave room for conjecture now…

  • 253 JackButler // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    And thats me done, time to leave and allow the Neanderthals, knuckle dragging bigots to themselves

  • 254 JAMSHA // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    niafron

    haha naa but heard dey cut thier polly :-P

  • 255 Rotonda heights // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    i think gouffran has been hugely under rated, 3rd highest scorer in france last season.

  • 256 headtheball // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    BBLR
    Good luck mate. You have your work cut out.
    HWTL

  • 257 Goodfella // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    A little info on Gomis

    http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/baf-gomis-french-expert-on-newcastles-next-number-9/? # 243

    Mug @243 you should get yourself in for quick prayer at the mosque you radgy.

    What???

  • 258 Goodfella // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    Previous at viv

  • 259 Ian Toon // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    Rotonda – Just thought of something we can agree on!

    Joe Root cool calm and collected. The real deal .

  • 260 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    headtheball

    I’m not sticking around. Following JBs suit.

    Catch you again, people.

  • 261 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Evening lads!

    Just come back from the first part of my holiday; can anyone sum up the last 4 days in the world of NUFC? :-)

  • 262 stuart no9 // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    yorkshire —- cisse is strict , so if he is strict and playing to the rules where wonga is concerned, why wasnt he strict and played by the rules where virgin money and northern rock were concerned , ??? as i said before , is he deciding WHEN he is a muslim or not – the fact that he is very inconsistant in his beliefs , tells me he is angling for a move , and i have said that from day 1

  • 263 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Jamsha

    Well, the men of my father’s familly in Morocco are all Muslims ( i m the black unfaithfull sheep of the familly). They are also very poor peasants who marry very early.

    They talk much about women, but in fact, this is quiet the opposite of your description. Most of them never cheated their wives.

    But fact is, they don’t look very happy about their sentimental life.

  • 264 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    The liberals are off thank god.

  • 265 Jamseyd24 // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    NIAFRON, So your saying @235 its not a religious reason for not wearing the shirt but a personal one.

  • 266 Indian Magpie // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    My Advice to Cisse is don’t mix Religion with Profession.

  • 267 Mister Tuff // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    niafron – could not work out who you were talking about earlier on – John Landless. Suspected it was John Lackland -as he can be called in England – literal translations will mean the same thing – lack of land (lackland) = land less (landless) or better known as Prince John – Richard the Lionhearts’ brother.
    Interestingly (well I think it is interesting) I mentioned I will be on holiday in France and in five weeks on Wednesday night I will dining in Martel in the Dordogne. Martel is the town that the Lionhearts older brother Henri Court Mantel died after sacking Rocamadour. Henri’s death paved the way for Richard to become king.
    Historical question for you – who is the man who saved Europe -has links with Martel.

  • 268 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    @Stuart

    YOu realy got a strong prejudice against Cissé…

    Well, you’re maybe right about it, maybe this wonga story is just a pretext for him.

    But to convince me, you’ll need proofs. So where are they?

  • 269 Goodfella // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    248viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Mug @243 you should get yourself in for quick prayer at the mosque you radgy.

    Viv was that supposed to be aimed at me???????

  • 270 stuart no9 // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    niafron – yes it is the same wonga charge interest , virgin charge interest 100%, or 2 % it is still called interest, cisse s religion says you cant profit from loans -, cisses religion dosnt say you can profit from loans if it is a small amount of interest , but you cant profit from loans if it is a high amount of interest, meaning regardless of the amount of interest meaning NO INTEREST AT ALL .

  • 271 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    @Jamsey

    Well, it’s hard to make a distinction. Faithfull people, do not follow religious obligations just because it’s like that.

    It got a sense for them.

    So Cissé could perfectly refusing wearing this shirt both as a human being and a muslim.

    After all, religious morality is the basis of ours society, wether we are believers or not.

  • 272 Indian Magpie // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    Niafron/Stuart

    Islamic banking’s main characteristic is that it does not charge Interest.

    So either both are right or wrong.

  • 273 bills-son // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    If you borrow £100 from Wonga for a month ie., a payday loan, you pay back £137. That is £137 interest.

    Considering the loan is high risk unsecured lending can anyone explain…

    How the interest rate is 5000%

    How the interest charged is immoral, thieving, scandalous etc., etc.,

    Why just about every fan and the media keep repeating the above two points.

  • 274 BandB // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Mister Tuff,

    John Lackland it was. Prince Louis was invited over by the English barons to take the throne (the real last French invasion) and King Malcolm of Scotland marched to the south coast to support him. But the barons decided to back John’s infant son Henry III instead, otherwise things could have been very different. Saviours of Europe?…Aetius? Charlemagne, the Viennese? Roosevelt? I’ll hazard a guess you mean Charlemagne.

  • 275 Indian Magpie // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Either i Mean Virgin Money and Wonga

  • 276 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    No 239 was the object of the tirade. Not 243goodfella

  • 277 Goodfella // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Haha sound bud, just didnt understand it lol

  • 278 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    @Mtuff

    Yes, sure, the prince John, sorry fo this bad translation.

    The man who saved Europe? Martel?

    Ahah!

    So you want to join the Wonga vs Muslim discussion.

    Charles Martel is supposed to have stop the Arabs in Poitiers in 732 (First battle of Poitiers, not the one with the Black Prince during the century war), and to have save Christianhood with this victory.

    So some people in France consider him as one of the greatest heroes of the nation when some others simply think he’s a symbol of the nationalist political wing.

    For Historians, this is a strange argument, cause in fact, this battle was just a skirmish.

  • 279 scout // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    It’s only close to the 5000% apr because that would be over 1 year. It’s designed to be paid back over 1 month.

  • 280 viv // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    Just 239, likes to play the liberal luvvie, who knows it all. But you can tell he is a wind up merchant having a laugh.

  • 281 Mister Tuff // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    BandB -well seeing that Niafron has not responded I will reveal all. You are just about in the right period of history by suggesting Charlemagne. It was in fact his grandfather Charles Martel. I should perhaps have posed my original question with the words “saved Europe” within inverted commas so as not to offend.
    The man who “saved” Europe from becoming part of the Muslim Caliphate was Charles Martel. In his era the Muslims occupied Spain and the Governor Abd-er-Rahman (Abdul Rahman) wished to expand. He crossed
    the Pyrenees and sacked the south west of France. Abd-er- Rahman had as part of his army 50,000 heavy cavalry. He swept up north and there was a decisive battle at Tours/Poitiers in 732 against Charles Martel and the Frankish army (reportedly 30,000 men). Rahman was killed. The Muslim army could not regroup and they were forced back south over the Pyrenees back into Spain.
    If it had not been for Charles Martel -Europe’s history would be so different.
    Martel was the grandfather of Charlemagne (Charles the Great) -the first Holy Roman Emperor -as decreed by the Pope.
    Charles Martel apparently received his name following his choice of battle weapon a hammer ( marteau is French for hammer) and reportedly it is how Martel in the Dordogne got it’s name and Martel is where I will be in about five weeks time quoffing some nice wine and sampling some decent food. The town symbol is three hammers.

  • 282 scout // Jul 20, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    I believe it to be immoral as an illegal loan shark has a more competitive rate of interest. You explain to me pal how that can be right. You’re probably sat in a house you own surrounded by flashy stuff to make yourself feel better

  • 283 colwell // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Toon Danno

    Are you out there? Or have you changed names?

    So Remy deal that was done 3 weeks ago may get closer as we talk to his reps next week, so you are wrong.

    Then told us all how Cisse was not missing due to the sponsorship problem but fitness and he would fly out on Saturday. Well again your wrong.

    Oh well your just another one of the sad bellends that come on here claiming to be someone ITK and again know Funk all. Not sure why you do it but you my friend are a PR1CK.

  • 284 Andymax // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Oh NO!

    Free agent Carlton Cole has no shortage of suitors it seems, with Newcastle the latest to be added to the betting in the race for his signature. They’re 33/1 outsiders while Crystal Palace have also been added at 5/1, but Hull remain favourites at 6/4. See all our transfer odds here.

  • 285 Mister Tuff // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    niafron – did not see you had replied -but you are correct.

  • 286 colwell // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Why is HBA not playing again today?

  • 287 dids // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    hi guys any links on the Rio Ave game 6pm KO is it broadcast on any channel ?

  • 288 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    I think I’ll come back when the fun ppl are back!

  • 289 MonkseatonMag // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    Forgive me if i’m wrong folks, but wasn,t he happy to sign for a BARCLAYS premiership club who were sponsored by VIRGIN MONEY?

    I think this is all newspaper talk and he’ll join the squad after ramadan.

    The silence from player,agent and club is deafening.

  • 290 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    Stuart n9

    I think we reached the goodwin point. I already made 3 or 4 post to tell you there’s degree in judgment (and in religion too), but it don’t seem to interest you, so i don’t see the point to continue and saying the same things again and again.

    I simply think you confound Manichaeism and Islam.

  • 291 BandB // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Mr Tuff

    The Song of Roland, Charles the Hammer…I thought when you said linked to Martel, you meant a relative.
    Anyway, we’d better can this before we get told to sod off.
    I’ve been to Rocamadour too!
    Need to go. Nice to chat.

  • 292 plana // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    What is the problem, if idiots want to hock themselves up to eyeballs, with debt? Wonga, would not exist if these oafs conducted their finances properly.

  • 293 bills-son // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    Scout @ 279

    You can’t borrow from Wonga for a year – 5000% is the rate you would pay if you failed to make any payments on your loan for a year. That rate includes interest penalties and the admin fees required to chase the non paying borrower.

    APR is maximum interest possible on a loan over 12 months – and that is always calculated assuming a borrower makes no payments at all.

    99% of borrowers pay nowhere near 5000%.

  • 294 scout // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    People have to get the cash the minimum wage is not enough to live on. People generally don’t go to a payday lender out of choice but desperation.
    The government will step in and limit the interest they charge, it’s a disgrace.

  • 295 stuart no9 // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    indian — cisse should bank at an halal bank . no interest at all on loans plus he gets no interest on his money for banking with them .

  • 296 Miguel // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Line up is out on toon website

  • 297 scout // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Shouldn’t be possible to charge someone 5000% I wouldn’t wear a shirt with a payday lender logo on it. I’ve gave my shirt money to help for heroes, someone on here said they gave the money to charity and I thought it was a good idea

  • 298 niafron // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    @Mister tuff

    50 000 thousands? Probably less than half that number (And same for Martel’s army). And in fact, it was just a raid, the muslims did not intended to invade France same way they did with Spain.

    Sure, all along the middle age and later, this battle was a symbol of the french national pride, so this is why many are delighted to say Martel and the french saved europe of an invasion.

  • 299 p // Jul 20, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Can’t believe people are still banging on about cisse

    I am not going to judge him but if he does not agree morally with things that are (rightly or wrongly) legal in this country he should consider playing football in acountry where he knows his morals will not be compromised.

    At the end of the day no one is asking him to engage in the practice just have it on his shirt and promote it i think there is a difference here

    I agree that wonga is morally bankrupt but breaching his contract with nufc is not the right way to react imo

  • 300 toonluvva // Jul 20, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Cunning Pardew is promoting Mapou as club captain just to see how JoKe pronounces his name!

    That will be another point on his constructive dismissal case.




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