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92% Of Fans Think Cisse Has Damaged His Wonga Case

4:16 pm, Wednesday, July 24th, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 111 Comments

Once we saw photos of Papiss Cisse in the Aspers Casino in Newcastle, we thought the case he has against Wonga for not wanting to wear the insignia because of religious reasons related to his Muslim faith – would be badly damaged.

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Papiss Cisse – his case against Wonga undermined by his gambling

And to get the views of Newcastle fans we put up a poll this morning, and at the moment t 92% of fans think he has undermined his case against Wonga.

Here are the poll results so far, and please vote if you haven’t already done so, since we want as wide a cross-section of fans as possible voting – and it’s democratic with one vote per reader.

Does Cisse's Gambling Undermine His Position Against Wonga?

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A spokesman at Aspers has said that Cisse as “an occasional visitor” who was “very well-behaved and very welcome”, but would not confirm whether or not he placed any bets at the casino – but the very fact he frequents the casino undermines his case, whether he bet on the tables or not.

Cisse’s being asked to wear the Wonga shirt – but by wearing the shirt it doesn’t say he agrees with what Wonga are doing with their pay-day loan business.

The other thing we keep bringing up is he wore the Virgin Money sign on his shirt last season, and that company is similar to Wonga in that they gain money (interest) from lending money – and that’s against Sharia law – so why wasn’t that a problem with Virgin Money?

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Cisse seen at the gambling tables

We just hope that some solution can be found to the impasse, and we certainly don’t want to lose the Senegal striker.

What do you think?

Comments welcome, but please keep them civil.

NOTE: We are trying to help Ingo Hagemann who is an International student at Northumbria University studying for an MSc in Sports Marketing, and he’s doing a survey as part of his Masters dissertation. The survey is on the controversial sponsorship between Wonga and Newcastle and it takes only five to ten minutes to complete.

There were some problems earlier today with getting to the site, but all is OK now – please help Info by taking the survey here – many thanks.

And it looks there is some unrest in the Newcastle camp – as depicted by the photo below.

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We’re just kidding – and it was a photo sent in by reader Colin Davidson – looks like Colo is asking Joe to sign some strikers soon – or else. :D

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111 responses so far ↓

  • 1 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    PFA are involved in this and hopefully they will come to some form of solution, no party involved will want this to roll on for too long.

  • 2 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    See Cisse, you cant pick and choose.

    Mr Ahad (Newcastle City Councillor) told Press Association Sport: “There are no grey areas in Islam when it comes to interest-based loans and there are no grey areas with regards to gambling.

    “For example, alcohol is forbidden, adultery is forbidden, gambling is forbidden and earning interest is forbidden.

    You can’t pick and choose.”

  • 3 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    Munster

    We can’t very well look for another manager while Pardew is in the role. That’s destabilising and wouldn’t help anyone.

    The fact is that I’m sure there were some pretty heated meetings at the end of the season to establish what would happen next season and Pardew has clung on to his job by the skin of his teeth. He’ll be under no illusions what he has to do to stay in the job next season.

    Why can’t people just get behind him and we’ll just see how we do? If we finish in 7th or 8th place then he’ll have done a very good job, if we’re looking much lower than that, then he’ll be sacked. People can’t lose…

  • 4 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    richyg01

    Says who? Says another Muslim…so what? Everyone has different ways to follow their chosen faith. This councillor may decide that you can’t pick and choose, whereas maybe Cisse believes that gambling doesn’t count as a problem if you’re not doing it for material gain.

    We just don’t know.

    It does undermine his position though and I hope things are clarified soon.

  • 5 Belfast // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    Hypocrite.
    Well and truly scooped !

  • 6 Shadow_Shearer // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    I have respect for Cisse, for standing up for his beliefs, and against MA decision. But I still don’t see why we won’t swap him for a striker of equal value.

  • 7 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Richyg

    You just don’t get it do you? Me and others explained earlier why anyone elses viewpoint is purely academic. Why are you so vociferously trying to condemn Cisse?

  • 8 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    @4

    Fine, but in wearing the NUFC shirt, he is not gaining from Wonga.

  • 9 Goodfella // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    I’d say just get rid of him but I doubt we will get a replacement and shola will probs end up with a new contract.

    Also class pic of colo :)

  • 10 AaranD // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Hooper going QPR pretty much done, Remy on his way out sharpish I think now.

  • 11 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    Totally sick of all you morons who think you are being insightful and reasoned human beings for picking to bits this so-called argument and siding against Cisse. No wonder the world is in such a mess when you are all so soulless and embroiled in self interest.

    A lot of projection assuming he is just looking for more money. I think you are assuming that because you are that way yourselves.

    Ed if you delete this comment, that will be the final straw. No more hits for you from me.

    I am allowed my opinion and if you choose to censor it that will be the end of any support you have had from me over the years.

  • 12 JAMSHA // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    richyg01

    nice,spot… … cisse must be sold.. end of it… a 1 season wonder…

  • 13 Shadow_Shearer // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    He wants a move, and we want a quality player in return. Staight swap for De Jong

  • 14 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    I have nothing against Cisse.

    I have nothing against his religion or beliefs.

    I do not want Cisse to leave NUFC.

    I just don’t think the lad is helping his case, and the longer this gets dragged out for, the less chance there is of him staying with us.

  • 15 ochytoon // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    TDS
    Says the moral code by which practicing Muslims are supposed to follow. I understand what you are trying too say, but, the fact of the matter is that Cisse can’t jump to defending his actions with a religious argument when he has completed contradicted the religious principles he is claiming too follow

  • 16 winnynufc // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    The article says they dont know if he bet or not? Well i think if you look at the first pic published that is defo Papiss! Tell him to sort his head out get the shirt on & play if not get him transfer listed, stop pissing about NUFC!!! HWTL.

  • 17 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    @16,

    Certainly looks like he has chips in hand.

  • 18 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • 19 veto // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    really dont want to lose him , think the best is yet to come from the lad

  • 20 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    richyg01

    Of course he benefits. Wonga pays the club and the club pays Cisse. Cisse is getting paid to do his job, part of his job is to wear sponsored kit.

    I don’t think any of us should be dictating what he should and shouldn’t do beyond encouraging him, the club, Wonga and the PFA to just decide what is going to happen so we can move on with or without him.

  • 21 christoon5369 // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    im gunna sit on the fence with this one…can see both sides to the story but i dont know enough about religion and dont know enough about wongas agreement

  • 22 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Ochytoon

    He hasn’t “defended his actions with a religious argument” and I’ve never heard him define any “religious principles he claims to follow”, that’s pure fabrication. The media have done their job well, it seems.

  • 23 Phatoon // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    In other news:

    http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/premier-league/28783-newcastle-s-gosling-walks-out-of-palace-deal.php

    Season with a pinch of salt!

  • 24 nufcalex // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    I have Muslim friends who gamble and drink but they hate loan sharks, despite what you all may think, they clearly do pick and choose.

  • 25 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    BBLR
    He hasn’t actually said anything had he?
    Think everyone is guessing, did pardew mention anything about cisse on the BBC last night?

  • 26 ochytoon // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Bring Back Laurent Robert
    As far as we are aware, Cisse has claimed that Wonga is against his religious beliefs. The media may be wrong, but Cisse has not come out to say otherwise, so for the moment, this is what I am basing my argument on.

  • 27 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    ochytoon

    So presumably neither can a Christian who has ever taken God’s name in vain or stolen something or wanted something that someone else has?

    Christians are supposed to follow a moral code too but some follow it more closely than others and in different ways.

  • 28 christoon5369 // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    TADS
    my point exactly

  • 29 Slank // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    Shadow @ 6

    ‘..standing up for his beliefs, and against MA ..’

    Do you mean breaking his contract, because that is what he is doing?

    Would you still support him if the Wonga deal was cancelled and the tickets prices were doubled to cover the loss of revenue?

    Would Cisse object if Newcastle Breweries sponsored the club?

  • 30 Toon_Tom // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    Chris @21 – best way lad. No matter what we think or believe there is always someone with the opposite view. Let the FA and NuFc sort it with him.

    In other news – last night people spoke of Gomis on route to Newcastle? Any updates anyone or simply made up shnizzle from the twittersphere?

  • 31 FatmanJoe // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Richy its a bit rich saying ‘the longer this gets dragged out, the worse it’ll be’ – you’re the one posting links and dragging it out.

    I couldn’t care less if Cisse gambles and refuses to wear the sponsor. Players might occasionally tuck into a happy meal but object to wearing McDonalds on their shirt. It’s not up to me to dictate which aspects of his religion he chooses to follow and it’s not up to anyone else on here. Religion is down to the individual. End of!

    Good on him for having morals on shame on everyone else for telling him what he should and shouldn’t do.

  • 32 ochytoon // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    TDS
    That’s not what I said. Cisse’s case is different because, as far as we know, he is trying to defend his actions via his religious principles, which he has contradicted by gambling in a casino and by wearing the shirt sponsor last season.

  • 33 DokToon // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    gmorning all…

    im not a religious one, so this has all been a snoozer for me, but maybe different people have different levels of faith… soem jewish folk may eat pork, some muslims may gamble, some catholics may not go to confession… i dont really care, faith is an indiviual belief imo…

    i love cisse, he brings you to th edge of your seat every time he closes in on the goal, so i do not wish him to leave, nor do i wish him ill…. so lets hope he can focus on the pitch, and hope we move upwards, so we can all be united under the black and white stripes… all i care about is my club… the rest is hearsay, phtotsay, and turns into a soap opera…

    but if he must go, trade him for dempsey :)

  • 34 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    Ochy

    Ok, let’s take your version on the face of it. Can you tell me what Cisse’s religious beliefs are comprised of, without citing the Muslim fundamentalist hearsay?

  • 35 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Too right bring back Lauren Robert! People are so quick to hate because of what the media tells them. They never question why that is what the media is choosing to tell them.

    I suspect this is all just designed to get more publicity for wonga. I don’t know for sure, but I am not the one judging and calling him a hypocrite, saying we should just sell him.

    The people coming out with crap like that are obviously harbouring their own prejudices. They can’t be bothered with anything outside “the norm”

    Small minded idiots.

  • 36 FatmanJoe // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    Funny how most people on here massively objected to wonga and then when cisse did the same they all started having hissy fits.

  • 37 Slank // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    richy @ 14

    Exactly.

    The longer the silence continues the worse his case becomes.

    Why hasn’t he, or/and his agent or/and the club said something? It isn’t good for him or the club.

  • 38 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    tads

    Nope, not a peep and Pardew just said “we have a ‘situation’with Papiss” mid-flow answering a different question, in the interview, if my memory serves me right.

  • 39 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    Hows about
    Cisse getting his wish not wearing a Wonga sponsors shirt but wearing a TOON shirt with Sir Booby Robson’s Charity on.

  • 40 christoon5369 // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    would just like to add i hate wonga bit i will still buy the shirt and wear it with pride as the badge matters alot more to me that the sponsor does

  • 41 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    FatmanJoe
    Don’t think anyone can tell him what to or what not do
    You have no idea if he’s refusing through religous reasoning or morales
    I have no idea if he’s angling for a move or contract
    No one has any idea because nobody from either party has said f all

    So in the same context of you saying stop berating him for having morales I could say stop high fiving the lad and saying good on yer for making a stand because the truth is you have no idea if he is making a stand

    If its true the lawyers are involved then there is much much much more to this than simply upsetting his beliefs/morals imo

  • 42 Slank // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    nufcalex @ 24

    All the rich boys and girls from Saudi and the Gulf States descend on London every summer to drink, gamble and have it off with who ever they want.

  • 43 ochytoon // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    Bring Back Laurent Robert
    No I can’t tell you because I don’t know. However, sources (as questionable as they may be) seem to indicate that the loaning of money for prophet is against what he believes. He’s already contradicted that alleged belief by wearing the Virgin logo last season. The casino picture only goes too add to the dismissing of the credibility of his argument.
    Now of course this is all based on assuming the reports in the papers are true. If they happen to be false (which wouldn’t surprise me) then I will happily concede that I was wrong but in the meantime, there is nothing wrong with having a healthy debate about the matter

  • 44 faustino // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    Fact of the matter of this: nearly every major employer in the world will be involved in deals regarding both aspects of borrowing that will incur interest. Does that mean that Muslim people as a rule don’t work for them? No. Their religion states that THEY should not take part in loans that incur interest.

    Is Cisse taking part in a loan that incurs interest? No. Did he enter into a contract as employee of company that will to some extent be incurring interest. Yes. Did he enter into a contract with a company who was already sponsored by a company who provided interest based loans. Yes.

  • 45 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    ochytoon

    And I said, no it isn’t.

    Not every Christian follows their religion in the same way and not every Muslim should be expected to do so either. Everyone has their own line of where they believe things cross a threshold that they are not willing to go beyond for religious or moral reasons. Perhaps Cisse is convinced that this is the line he will not go beyond.

    Gambling does undermine his case, but as I said, it’s about lines. Perhaps he believes that gambling when it’s not for profit is ok, because that’s just a game then. For a man earning around £40kpw, losing a couple of thousand pounds at a casino would be the equivalent of a night out at the cinema for some people.

  • 46 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Best suggestion I’ve seen so far…

    Wonga won’t want to relinquish the rights to have the Wonga logo on the iconic number 9 shirt so…

    Cisse relinquishes the right to the number 9 shirt and a new top striker wears it instead. Cisse then wears a blank or charity sponsored shirt.

  • 47 workyticket // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Another brilliant move by Newcastle United’s fans, Let’s stick up for Wonga and keep vilifying our best goalscorer until we scupper any discussions and force him out of the club on a cut price deal. After all, we could do with offloading another striker.

  • 48 Yorkgeordie // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Colo is suspended for the Blackpool friendly not for the prem. Apologies if someone has already posted this

  • 49 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    To the people who keep saying “why don’t the club or his representatives come out and clear it up”

    AS I KEEP SAYING IT IS TO GET AS MUCH PUBLICITY AS POSSIBLE FOR WONGA! WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO WORK OUT!?

    Yet yous just keep hating the darky. Saying things like – “they” can obviously pick and choose.

    Yes, who do “they” think they are!?
    Going ’round acting like individuals… How dare “they”

  • 50 Slank // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    The issue with Cisse is far greater than his individual objection.

    The club must have the freedom to select whoever they want to sponsor the club the money of which goes along way to paying the wages of all the employees, not just the players.

    The club can’t start asking all its employees whether they like this sponsor or that sponsor.

  • 51 ochytoon // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    TDS
    That seems to be a somewhat acceptable middle ground. I agree that everyone should be able to draw their own line but Cisse appears to have so contradictory that I believe he is wrong in this situation, regardless of how much I dislike Wonga and their business practices.

  • 52 sirtoongospel // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    34, you are bang on. Religion is what that individual makes of it. A very good friend of mine is as dedicated to being a Muslim as anyone else I have met (Indian), and he bets on certain things. Me and him have just had a small bet where the loser pays to a certain charity. Not massive by any means but a bet nonetheless.

    The amount of people telling Papiss what he can or can’t believe is unreal. Only he can decide that. The media have said Wonga issue is based on religion, but has he? No.

    I wish people would wait and see what the outcome is before writing him off and firing abuse at him.

  • 53 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Anyway, I’ve said ll I have to say on it and yup, the sooner it’s ironed out the better.

    I’m not for a moment saying Richyg etc are wrong, I’m just trying to balance things out and given Cisse’s known good character, I’m slightly inclined to believe he has genuine scruples.

    That’s all.

    Remy in by weekend I think, Pardew did say yesterday that they are “waiting for other transfers to go through to trigger deals”, I think that just may be Hooper>>>>Remy!

    Over and out, for now.

  • 54 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    Count
    Wow, so because people don’t automatically think that every story on the news is part of conspiracy theory concocted by the media empire to advertise and therefore boost the revenue of a lending companies they have no affiliation with, all the while keeping the working/lower classes in debt and in need, as part of a huge plot to keep the government happy as the public need to turn to them for support and the media happy as they have continued public angst stories then there automatically small minded idiots??

    Mate I think your a tad paranoid fella, especially if you think Ed censors the outside the box thinkers as you suggested earlier!

    Ffs lads its a football blog

  • 55 JAMSHA // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    so he gambles too go in loss?? ppl gamble for profit

  • 56 giimps // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Well I for one will be happy to see him in the toon shirt next season, whatever else iso on it.
    As far as my memory serves, he has never said he does not want to play for us, his agent has never said he does not want to play for us.
    Also, he has not said a word in public about this, the media strangely enough, have hyped this up into a frenzy and the fish are feeding.
    I dont care about religion but I will not wear a shirt with Wonga on either, does that make me a bad fan….no, does it make me better or worse than anyone who wears the shirt…..no.
    If Cisse does not want to wear that brand on moral grounds, he shouldnt have to……..I think Wonga will cave so they look the good party, then whenever Cisse scores, it will be mentioned that Wonga ,out of the goodness of their hearts, allowed him to play without their logo so he dont have to go against his religion..
    I think he will play for us this season, I just hope its with someone whos name dont rhyme with lola, otherwise were screwed.
    HWTL

  • 57 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Oh and count
    “Yet yous just keep hating the darky”

    You absolute prick
    How have you turned a religous debate in to racism?

  • 58 nut meg // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Tads
    you beat me to it
    had enough of this crap,i’ve aged 10 years in a week !!

  • 59 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    Down south, you doth protest too much.

    “conspiracy theories” give me a frickin break.

  • 60 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    ochytoon

    You can’t say he’s contradictory because you don’t know his belief system!!

    So are you saying that our other Muslims are contradictory because they are Muslim yet they are ok with wearing the Wonga logo? How about Muslims at other clubs that are sponsored by gambling companies, banks, alcohol companies etc.

    There are some Muslims who will refuse to gamble or drink on the basis of religion but don’t have a problem with wearing a Wonga logo.

  • 61 DokToon // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    count @11, 49..

    calling people here “morons”, “soulless and embroiled in self interest, and referring to cisse as a “darky” makes you a beacon of truth and enlightenment?

    this blog may not be perfect, but it would get a tad closer if you did indeed leave…. good luck to you… ill not waste my time reading or replying to your illuminating posts…

  • 62 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    JAMSHA

    Idiots gamble for profit! Most people gamble for fun..

  • 63 Crow59 // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    Guti take note, this is real LM

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=mfyty0_9Iyo

  • 64 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    @robbieelliott3: Not sure how this is deemed a red card ????. The games gone soft http://t.co/cIzXpq4geH

    Lol colo looks like he’s trying to pop his heed off!

    Oh and
    @RichCawleySLP: Reports that Dan Gosling is back in Newcastle are true. Left yesterday afternoon. His camp tight-lipped about why deal not completed. #cpfc

    Rumour is he failed his medical……badly

  • 65 DokToon // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    57

    well said tads, i was trying to say that exact thing :)

  • 66 Charlietoon // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    I cant help but think Cisse has some kind of gag order or something that says if he publicly slates his own sponsor he is in breach of contract, otherwise I cant understand why he would not simply come out and say “I dont mind a little flutter like the next person but for me I had to draw a line because I think what Wonga represents clashes with my some of my own moral, religious and personal beliefs”

    If he came out with that you could not really fault the guy but all we are getting is a very black and white view…..appropriately enough

  • 67 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    If you are going to call me a conspiracy theorist for suggesting that this is all about publicity for wonga then you are part of the problem.

    I’m glad you don’t agree with me.

  • 68 ~Joke-innear~ // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    So our options are

    Gomis, Gignac, Remy or Bent.

    Apart from Gomis, i don’t really want any of the others at the club.

    Remy – Mercenary, turned us down for a game of fifa with fernandes

    Gignac – Fat, not good enough, looks a bit like messi but has no where near the quality.

    Bent – I don’t think he is the type of player we are looking for and the solution to our problems… a better ameobi… that’s all.

  • 69 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    Oh dear…I’ll agree that there is definitely a lack of understanding about religion regarding the Cisse issue and that some people should just live and let live a little…but bringing race into it? You should be ashamed of yourself count. You know full well that we’d be having the same discussion if Cabaye was a Muslim.

  • 70 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    Count
    So thinking every story on the news is just to make us believe what “they” want us to believe isn’t a conspiracy theory? Lol ffs you even accused Ed of censoring you
    Mind couldn’t blame him

  • 71 Mister Tuff // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Which idiot introduced the phrase “yet yous just keep hating the d****.” I won’t even say it as it is as equally offensive as using the “N” word. Clearly there is still work to do to educate the thickos in our midst.

  • 72 FatmanJoe // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    TADS

    We don’t know anything but I’m not going to berate him for not wearing wonga because quite clearly it’s down to morals. What else would it be?

  • 73 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Charlietoon

    There’s no point in anyone coming out with anything now because the situation isn’t resolved. Nobody wants to make a comment and then concede a bit of ground and have to release another statement that might contradict the first. Best to keep their mouths shut until there is an agreement between the parties.

  • 74 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    And by the way, Ed did delete one of my posts a while ago, so what is your point down south?

    Dok. Well done, you just changed my whole philosophy on life.

  • 75 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    TDS
    Your right, no way can say he’s contradicting his beliefs because nobody knows

    I think most are assumptions tbf, like if he’s devout enough to fast for Ramadan then surely gambling/drinking would be a no no but who knows and tbh who cares its his decision

    The only real issue now is if the club decide he’s in breach of his contractual duties, which unfortunately it seems he is

  • 76 barkel // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    This issue is doing my head in! No one on here knows the real reasons as to what is going on. Debating about what other people believe or should believe is nothing got to do with Newcastle United. Can we not just support the players and the team until we have reason not to?

  • 77 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    Down south, it has been said that arguing with thick people is pointless as you can never win.

    Given that you just completely missed the sentiment of what I said and mashed my words into a straw man argument, that will be the end of our discussion on this matter.

  • 78 Mister Tuff // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Ah – I see it was Dracula who introduced the racist language.I see that he has also been on youtube -link below.
    Count – you are a disgrace.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gROO7xSTxfY

  • 79 blew // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Cisse is using religion to get a move, he has seen how much money Demba Ba earned by transferring to Chelsea. And Cisses agent is fully aware of the £2M made by Ba’s agent on the deal. Cisse will not ask for a transfer because he will forfeit his contract pay off.
    The man is a mercenary and insincere, he wants out of the club for financial gain.
    This is one occasion where I support the Ashley regime for not giving in to Cisse and putting him on the transfer list. He wants out, let him ask for a move.

  • 80 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Mister tuff, same goes for you.

    You might want to try to comprehend something before you slag it off.

    Unbelievable

  • 81 blew // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    PS
    He will also forfeit a percentage of a transfer fee if he asks for a move. The man is….I will let you guess my feelings

  • 82 hadthetshirt // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    IF Cisse want’s a move maybe it’s because pardwho kept playing him as a wide man even when 23 was playing.For that I cant blame him.I for one hope he doesn’t leave and we sign Remy and Gomis to play alongside him.

  • 83 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    Mister tuff, are you serious?

    This is like being back in the playground.

    No-one with the slightest bit of intelligence could read my posts and think that I hold racial prejudice. That is the whole point of my posts on this subject.

  • 84 FatmanJoe // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    70

    Sigh

    Proof? Any at all?

  • 85 nufcalex // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    Slank @ 42 money talks clearly, my average jo Muslim mates at Middlesbrough uni get paralytic before going out and have to use only certain taxi numbers to stop their family’s finding out! so even know they don’t care about breaking their religion themselves they do care about others viewing them differently. So in Cisse’s case I think he took the no photography inside Aspers as an unbreakable rule that would save him from public scrutiny.

  • 86 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    Funny, as your attitude to me is exactly the same as many peoples attitude to this story.

    Reactionary. Speaking before you have processed the information and gone to the effort of forming a considered opinion.

  • 87 FatmanJoe // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    Beg your pardon – Blew at 79, not whoever at 70.

    Seems like you just made up a load of stuff there with no proof whatsoever.

    Fairly in keeping with other posts on this blog unfortunately.

  • 88 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Count
    You should really knock the o outta your name

  • 89 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Count
    Why bring race into it all?
    Nobody else had, just you and your sad little mind (which is probably protect by a tin foil hat)

  • 90 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    As I have said before, my name is what it is to provide an easy ad hominem attack for idiots who are unable to talk a sensible argument.
    It is quite satisfying how many people fall for it.

  • 91 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Other people are the ones bringing up race/religion. Not me. I am just summing up the attitudes I see.

  • 92 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    Nobody bought race in just you
    Race and religion are two separate things

  • 93 blew // Jul 24, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    Fatman
    look at the facts

  • 94 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    I am here advocating tolerance.
    I know full well race and religion are different things.
    I’m not the person you need to be explaining that to.
    I feel some peoples judgement on this subject is being guided by their prejudice. It is achingly obvious.
    I have not attacked you directly, so why are you so offended.

    Bizarre

  • 95 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Blew – What facts? A load of crap on websites and in the tabloids, all regurgetated crap, sourced from an original piece of crap. You are judging a man purely based on hearsay. Allowing god knows who to give you your information and condemning a man for it.
    You should be ashamed.

  • 96 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Count
    We’re next door
    Idiot
    And you thought you’d highlight others prejudice by using racist language
    Bravo bravo

  • 97 FatmanJoe // Jul 24, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Blew

    That’s it? That’s your justification for that load of crap you just spouted.

    Wow. Words fail me.

  • 98 fatman // Jul 24, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    92% of posters on hear are total AR*e holes and your going to put the club back to where we were in the 80′s when no one wanted to play for us, and richyg01 is a total makem pri*k all the post about negativity then we get attacks on our own players your 92% WONGAD.

  • 99 paul24 // Jul 24, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    @ count

    It’s a bit rich you calling people morons. He’s clearly angling for a move to greener pastures. He preaches that wearing the wonga logo breaches sharia law, the religion he devoutly follows, yet go’s out gambling, which is also against sharia law. He’s a liar and a hypocrite.

  • 100 thepict // Jul 24, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    Count, why was there no refusal to wear a Virgin Money If it’s wrong to charge interest on a loan with W@nga, then surely it is wrong to Charge interest on a loan through Virgin , orBarclays or any other lender.
    The individuals taking a loan out with W@nga are unable to get a loan from mainstream lenders. A lot of people are on the bones of their backsides at this time and W@nga is the only choice they have to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads .
    Religious beliefs are not a pick and mix, you can’t keep the ones you want and ignore the ones you don’t want to keep..

  • 101 paul24 // Jul 24, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    @ fatman

    How are 92% of posters arseholes for having a brain. He’s a f******g liar, he’s been caught out, deal with it. I supported him for standing up for his beliefs like so many others, f******g slap in the face.

  • 102 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Fatman – Right on!

    Paul24. My whole point is that he hasn’t preached AT ALL. That is my whole point!
    You, my friend, are the one doing the preaching.

    Thepict. What an original argument. I hadn’t thought of that…. In case you can’t tell I’m being sarcastic.
    I’m so sick of seeing that argument time and time again. It always gets slapped down as it is such a halfwitted one. Have you not read any of the points that counter that argument? There have been so many over the last couple of weeks. I can’t believe people are still coming out with such toss.

  • 103 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Paul24 please provide me with any links to papiss cisse preaching about wonga.

  • 104 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Still sticking to straw man tactics I see… Try to discredit your opponent if you start losing an argument…. It’s pathetic.

  • 105 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    Down south, that was for.

    Does context count for nothing?

  • 106 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    Count
    No pathetic is using racial slang terms because you ignorantly think anyone disagreeing with cisse there for his religion/beliefs are being racist

    Ironically you’ve made yourself look the idiot, look back its not a isolated opinion

    I’m not losing an arguement because there’s no argument to be had
    You resorted to racism, no matter how you intended it, end of
    Feel fee to continue this on the next thread instead of hiding your pathetic retorts on this one

  • 107 count // Jul 24, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    “you resorted to racism”

    Sweet Jesus. So stupid. I’m not hiding from anything/anyone.

    You are hiding behind semantics

  • 108 The next Mike Williamson // Jul 24, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    I think it’s wrong to advertise beer but I drink as much as the next fiend. I don’t see that as a contradiction. Infact I see it as more reason to be against it

    He’ll be twice the player

  • 109 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Count
    So why did you bring it up then you fcuking ignorant tosser

  • 110 stuart no9 // Jul 24, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    as i said ages ago- cisse justs want to be away and was using his religion as a excuse,. i hope these pictures of him in the casino has proved a lot of people wrong and the matter is no longer questionable.

  • 111 chuck // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    Ed.

    Up on till now I have though of you as a fair minded person, but disregarding the results of this blog, which I consider weighted to- wards the result desired , by it’s very wording and having an understanding of the attitudes of people on Tyneside, you have achieved what IMO was your goal to attempt to prove Cisse is in fact a religious hypocrite.
    In fact you have never asserted that he has ever gambled in Aspers only that he has frequented the club occasionally means in your opinion that because of those visits he is guilty of some kind of crime in the eyes of sharia law.
    Ed. you are only portraying yourself by those statements as someone who is entirely ignorant of either Sharia law and islam and it’s requirements in regards to what is and what is not acceptable.
    And I suspect there is both an anti Islamic and a racist attitude involved.
    You should be more carefully in what you claim, as you have certainly lost any respect I ever had for you by this particular article, as you have proved nothing by your weighted question pole, indeed for you to believe that Cisse is a religious hypocrit by a margin of 96% to 4% against is both an indictment of all of the voters and yourself as both racist and anti Islamic in nature.




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