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First Newcastle Youngster Sent Out On Loan For The Season

10:33 am, Wednesday, July 24th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 204 Comments

News today that 22 year-old Shane Ferguson will get plenty of games next season, as he has signed up on loan for the season at Lee Clark’s Birmingham City.

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Shane Ferguson – in Birmingham’s colors last season

The only surprise there is that it’s for the full season, but next summer Shane will have a chance to come to Newcastle’s pre-season, and show that he should be part of Newcastle’s first team.

But Shane turned 22 this month, so he’s hardly a youngster any more but he will be able to get a full season in with Birmingham in the Championship and that should do him the world of good.

Wolverhampton Wanderers also wanted to sign the player on loan, but Wolves, who have been relegated in successive seasons missed out, as Shane went for Championship level football..

Lee Clark had this to say about the loan deal:

“I’m absolutely delighted to be able to bring Shane in. It’s taken the longest of all the deals, but he was one I wasn’t going to give up on.” “He did really well for us last season and I’m sure the fans are very happy to have him back.”

“I think it will be a good move for him playing week in and week out, which he hasn’t really done at a first-team level, because he’ll get stronger and stronger.” “I also want to thank my old club Newcastle, who have done really well for us in terms of the way they’ve structured the deal financially for us.”

Ferguson should help Birmingham go for promotion in the coming season, and Northern Ireland manager Michael O’Neill will be happy enough.

Michael had urged the player to get first team football this season, which is what will now happen.

It seems that it’s a good deal for everyone involved, and we;ll be following Shane’s progress next season.

Last season Shane played 11 times on loan at Birmingham with one great goal, and he’s played 32 times for the Newcastle first team, and 8 times with one goal for Northern Ireland.

We expect more Newcastle youngsters to be farmed out on local for next season.

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204 responses so far ↓

  • 1 jeff // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    “News today that 22 year-old Shane Ferguson will get plenty of games next season, as he has signed up on loan for the season at Lee Clark’s Birmingham City.”

    as far as im aware this was announced two days ago

  • 2 Toon Avenger // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    Good to see Shane go as we are packed full of quality left wingers with a great delivery what with….



  • 3 jeff // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:36 AM

    this guy is like 15 kg. and hes 22 loled

    i am heavier already

  • 4 Ben3arfa // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    Cisse at the Casino, another pic

  • 5 Toon Avenger // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    Tom down sarf

    Your earlier comment about having 24 over 21′s equalling a strong team, lets look at some of these over 21′s:

    Ron Elliot – poor/average
    Mike Williamson – poor/below average
    Ryan Tatlor – injured/unspectacular (wont be registered anyway)
    Romain Amalfitano – who?
    Jonas – poor/overrated
    Shola Amobi – poor/awful
    Gabriel Obertan – amazing
    Steven Taylor – poor/overrated

    Great team with lots of quality throughout.

  • 6 Slank // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Sirtoon @ 31

    ‘ …Papiss goes into a casino and he is despised, yet at the same time people want to bring in Remy who has been charged with rape..?

    Cisse is being despised because, if the media is correct, many fans see him as a sanctimonious hypocrite.

    Under English law, Remy is innocent until proven guilty.

  • 7 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:47 AM


    No doubts its him.

    Chips in hand too??

  • 8 sirtoongospel // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:48 AM


    People keep referring to Muslim/Sharia law. At what point has he said his issues/reservations are down to strictly religious reasons?

    Throwing the “bad Muslim” card at him is a bit unfair (in my opinion) when people don’t know the facts. Both parties have said nothing, lawyers are involved now, and the whole thing is a mess.

    But the press have used his religion as his reasons to object, and this isn’t completely true. Now his religion is a stick to beat him with. There is not one perfect human being on this earth. Not one.

  • 9 Toon Avenger // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Going to a casino is something he will have to suffer with as an individual of the Muslim faith.

    Wearing wonga is something that will potential affect millions of Muslims.

  • 10 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:48 AM


    We do not despise Cisse for going to the Casino, its his split morals, he is going against his own beliefs.

  • 11 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    AP: “I’m pushing Joe to get a transfer in. I think we need a boost. We are in a situation where we want to progress now.”

    Hardpoo getting frustrated too!?

  • 12 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Malaga have cancelled Julio Baptista’s contract

  • 13 Toon Avenger // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    The only people hurling abuse are the retards who know nothing of faith in the first place.

  • 14 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    SSN: Gareth Bale has not been included in Tottenham Hotspur’s squad to face Sunderland in the Asia Trophy.

    Looks like he is away, great loss to the EPL.

  • 15 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Hopefully the PFA getting involved in talks between all parties can get this situation resolved and we can move on, with Papis still in the stripes.

  • 16 Toon Avenger // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM


    Seriously. You “despise” him for split morals?

    Yeah because football is the most morally sound sport ever.

    What gives you the right to question another’s morality?

  • 17 sirtoongospel // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Slank. Exactly, the media. So it must be true eh?

    On Remy, I agree entirely. But my point was that Cisse is a villain because of a casino visit, Remy is clamoured over despite a serious allegation against him (and turning us down in Jan).

    All I am saying is that a bit of perspective is required here. Your use of the word “despised” says it all really. I don’t think he deserves to be despised over something like this. If he was 100% in the wrong then NUFC would have said so VERY QUICKLY. They haven’t so what does that tell you?

  • 18 brian kilclines pony tail // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    he has every right to question his morals, cisse is in the public eye, when you are in the public eye people will make an opinion about you from the choices you make and the things you do.

    get shot of this time waster trying to get his last big move to anzi.

  • 19 supershola // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    If Cisse won’t wear the wonga shirt he is a hypocrite end of.

    He was happy to play in the ‘Barclays’ premier league wearing ‘Virgin Money’ …. Don’t hey both charge interest and pray on the poor. I’ve certainly been offered loans and credit cards from both other companies trying to get me to owe them interest on top.

    Also breaking a contractual agreement is against their religion as well… Isn’t he doing that if he refuses to wear the shirt.

    And thirdly gambling in the casino.

    He’s blatantly trying to engineer a move or get more money.

    If he’s that religious he wouldn’t be doing all the above.

    And what happens if we let him not wear the shirt, let the rest of the muslims as well? How would we ever get a decent sponsorship again if we let no one wear the logo??

  • 20 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Toon Avenger

    You seem to think we should be trying new things? Why?

    You do not see any team try “new” things in pre season really…..

    I mean he swaps the odd player, changes the odd formation but its hardly new.

    You do not broadcast changes to set pieces in pre season, or future tactics.

    I DO NOT care who you are, or which club you support but to expect winning teams in a pre season is beyond pathetic!

    Its called pre season as its based to manage a player fitness levels going into a new campaign.

    ALL clubs have the same attitude. I would bet money every managers pre season team talk is along the lines of “A win would be nice for the travelling fans but take it easy, its all about fitness right now.”

    Tactics are for behind the scenes.

    Also people need to accept we are NOT Swansea, and nor could we be if we tried. It would take years integrate a passing style like that into our game.

    Rogers proved that at Liverpool, he had Agger and Skrtel playing the passing game and ultimately gifted goals especially earlier on last season.

    We have a decent side, should finish top 10, am pretty confident of that.

    I feel 3 signings, decent ones I.e Remy De Jong type standard would allow us to push for top 7, but its a ladder, 1 step at a time. If we could finish 7th this season fantastic, next season aim higher.

    Its almost impossible to win the league these days unless heavy investment is provided, Spurs have proved that spending ALOT of money still struggling to get top 4 each season, just achieving it last year and the year before. BUT then a massive gap between them and 1st.

    Its near impossible, and to think us and those around us etc. only invest 20m-30m a season, Man City have spent 100m this season as of now…..

    Man Utd are looking to pay 30m+ on 1 player.

    Cheslea 30m+ on 1-2 players.

    Its insane…..

    The game is broken beyond belief.

  • 21 Spreadthetoon // Jul 24, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Quote from AP
    Manager Alan Pardew said: “The Lyon president has come out and said we are involved with Gomis – and I can confirm we are. Bafetimbi is a player we think could do very well for us. He is on our sights. We are trying to strengthen our attacking area. In midfield and at the back we are comfortable.”

    Clueless, small squad last year, smaller squad this year. Handful of players out this window with no replacements……….all the hallmarks of another repeat season though this time me might not survive to tell the tale. What a disgrace!

  • 22 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:00 AM


    13 July 2013 Thai All-Star XI N 0–1
    20 July 2013 A-League All Stars N 5–1
    23 July 2013 Yokohama F. Marinos A 2–3

    2 losses, 1 win.


    1 win 1 draw 1 loss.

    Hardly any difference in competition, Man Utd have 10x the quality of players.

    Who is having a worse pre season?!

    Seriously man!

    Although I do agree we should be playing abroad to get our name out and about to increase a following. It would improve revenue long term, Man utd did it first and get mass amounts of money from overseas.

  • 23 Slank // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    richy @ 10


    I still believe it’s a smokescreen to force more money out of the club or a move away.

    It will be interesting to see whether he plays any pre-season games. If he plays and doesn’t wear the Wonga logo but donates all his wages to charity I would be impressed.

    I would also be impressed if he replaces the Wonga logo with a logo of a charity and only accepts the difference between what the club would have paid him and what the charity will pay him.

  • 24 cestriasteve // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie you seriously know your stuff.. where do you see we need strengthening and who would you see us bring in?

  • 25 Slank // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    sirtoongospel @ 17

    The longer the silence from Cisse, or his agent or/and the club the worse the situation becomes. It isn’t good for him or the club.

  • 26 JaxtheMag // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    ferguson is 22 if he was anygood he would be on the bench at least, but hes not. he was headlined as a toon star. have we got any stars I don’t think so.pardew says we played well lasnite. hope man city stop at 6.

  • 27 sirtoongospel // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    @18, I actually agree with you. Question his morals for sure. He has put himself in that position. But question his religion? Only he can decide what he does/doesn’t do when it comes to that.

    How many Christians get abuse for playing on Sunday? Religion is what that individual makes of it. You cannot criticise someone when it is their choice and no one else’s.

    Morals however, that is something that can provoke a reaction if you aren’t consistent. If and when he speaks on this then everyone can pass judgement on that.

  • 28 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM


    Compared to last season -

    Krul –
    Alnwick – Harper
    Elliot -

    Debuchy – Simpson
    Mbiwa (no one out to replace)
    Haidara (no one out to replace)
    Dummett (loaned out last yr) – Ferguson (loaned out this yr)

    Sissoko – Perch
    Ben Arfa
    Gouffran – Gosling


    Stronger squad compared to this time last year! And the youth have 1 year more experience, and PL experience at that!

    Defo stronger than last year, providing we replace Ba, AND we have no EL games either!

  • 29 Ben3arfa // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Anyone slandering Muslims is simply being ignorant

    We have at least 6 other Muslims in our squad who are giving their all to their team. Im sure they wouldnt appreciate some of the fans bigotry just because Cisse chose not to wear the Wonga shirt albeit. hypocritically

  • 30 Slank // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    brian @ 18

    You are quite right.

    Any person today who is in the public eye should be fully aware that nearly everyone carries a camera phone. There is no hiding.

    Fans who pay his wages are entitled to their opinions, whether they are right or wrong.

  • 31 geordiesteve520 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:15 AM


    10jeff // Jul 24, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Lilongwe- I assume your team is facing the opposite way

    Hulk just moved to Monaco
    Kevin Prince Boateng would be a great signing i agree
    Philip Cololinho? I doubt Lpool would sell but may as well try haha
    Purrel Frankel is retired lolol would be some steal at the back
    Simeon Jackson isnt good enough for this club
    Sticking with Jonas and Ameobi haha brave move, channel the inner pardew
    Lucan (i assume u mean Lucas) wont leave PSG. Good suggestion though

    @Jeff 10, that just shows you are literally too stupid to insult. Apart from Ameobi and Gutteriez they are all non football players, two of them are horses FFS and on is the husband of the bloody queen. Up until now I have stayed out of your insane conversations but now you’ve just showed yourself up.

    Ps he did not mean Lucas from PSG he meant Lord Lucan, you imbecile.

  • 32 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Collo chokehold

  • 33 sirtoongospel // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:16 AM


    The silence is deafening and bad for all concerned.
    With regards to Papiss sacrificing his wages if he wears a plain shirt, or a charity one, how does that make sense?

    Wonga provide around 5% (at the most) of the clubs annual income. So without wonga why does he have to lose all of his wages? And what charity can afford to pay his wages?

    Also bear in mind that he has repeatedly stated that football is a way for him to help others. He has invested massive amounts of his own money in Senegal. A few visits to the casino it seems is enough to wipe out the large amount of good work he has done. That’s a shame in my opinion.

  • 34 low fell mag // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Come on big Joe lets get Remmy ,Gomis over the line ,and would like Bent if Cissie decides to go.
    Im starting to flap a little now.
    Big Joe, you bumped your gums ,nothing wrong in that providing you produce the goods,but if you don’t ,Hell has no fury like a scorned Geordie.

  • 35 christoon5369 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:17 AM


    what are you on?

    teams dont try new things pre season?

    we should be trying something we didnt do last season and pass the ball

  • 36 GenralHez // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    At 22 he is no longer a youngster, if he is not good enough by now sell him.

  • 37 brian kilclines pony tail // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    @27 – I seen your point, however to be a muslim there are a certain set of rules to follow like any religion. i was born a catholic not out of choice but simply because my family was, even though i follow the 10 commandments as a basic set of rules to live my life by i do not follow the religion so I can not call myself a catholic.
    what he is doing is picking and choosing his own rules, therefore in my eyes he is not part of that particular religion, if there is a muslin sub religion that he is part of that say gambling is ok then fair enough, but if there is i have never heard of it.

    I also agree massively with the majority parts of the jewish religion, but i am not jewish by any means.

  • 38 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    I don’t despise Cisse in the slightest, he is a great player.

  • 39 Slank // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Ben3arfa @ 29

    I think there will always be a minority who will slander Muslims simply because they are ignorant about the religion but there are some others will not realise they are doing it possibly because they are getting the issue mixed up hypocrisy for which religion may not play any part.

  • 40 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:22 AM


    That is a problem that is always going to arise, due to one person’s split morals. Like the Muslim guy (sorry cant remember his name) said in an interview yesterday, “you cannot pick and choose parts of a religion that suit you”.

    But it appears that is exactly what Cisse is doing, and that is him making a mockery of his own religion.

  • 41 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    Oh dear. West Ham are making moves towards Remy.

    Pardew’s Dream Partnership – At West Ham

  • 42 nut meg // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    Richyg01 @ 32
    Is that Geordiesteve having a chat with Jeff ??

  • 43 Slank // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Lightly off topic but I loved the response from Arsenal to offer Liverpool an extra £1 over the existing offer of £40 million.

    Nice one Arsene!

  • 44 nufc82 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Cabaye’s an excellent player but we haven’t seen it for awhile because Pardew has been playing him as a defensive midfielder. Cabaye always looks a million times better when he’s in a more advanced role. The 4-3-3 formation we were playing when we finished 5th was the perfect formation for him. I am not sure why Pardew moved away from this formation, as it was the best set up for the type of players we have at the club.

  • 45 plana // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    The sooner they sell the African fanatic and buy a European striker the better.

  • 46 christoon5369 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    people from different religions pick and choose what the believe is true, i went out with a catholic girl who wouldnt let me bang her without a johnny on…its open to interpretation, any way we were cr4p last night only pre season bla bla bla, we dont look fluid or have any ideas going forward

  • 47 jeff // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    why would he put horses in a team? what is he, a troll?

  • 48 skipwallsend1977 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Shoot me down if you like, but I would sell Cisse and go all out to sign Ba back, Remy and Gomis. I understand the whole ‘mercenary’ thing with Ba but if I had to choose between him and Cisse, sorry like but there’s only one winner.
    Cisse needs creation behind him but Ba created a lot of his own goals and is an all-round far superior player than Cisse.

  • 49 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    I like how Cisse is ostensibly the pious one. When the vast majority of fans cannot withhold getting on their high horse, ranting and raving about something they know little of and haven’t even established the premise for their vitriol (Cisse refusing to wear Wonga shirt because of his religious beliefs) as fact.

    Zero respect shown by his own fans. Even to the point where people are trying to ‘catch him out’, in casino.

    If he wasn’t angling for a move, I’m sure it’s crossing his mind now, the way he’s been depicted. Maybe you’ve just give him reason to want out of this goldfish bowl.

  • 50 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    And people like plana are just pure scummy.

  • 51 Transfer Sage // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:32 AM


    But in reality you can get many forms of christianity and many forms of islam all from the one main religous book. Each sect/group takes certain books/chapters and interprets them in different ways.

    Religion is always changing and people often follow certain bits of it more strongly than others.

  • 52 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:32 AM



    Love that on the back of Caetano’s shirt it says ‘Divercol’
    Couldn’t be more true.

  • 53 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:33 AM


    We are simply playing pre seasons for the SAME reason all other clubs do…. FITNESS

    Not to try new things out…..

    That is a genuine FACT.

  • 54 skipwallsend1977 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    At the end of the day, unless you’re born in a particular area, you have no affiliation with their respective clubs so its a job.
    I work for a massive international company but if another massive company offered me double my wage, I’d be out the door like a shot.
    Just my view.

  • 55 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM


    Would be a bad job if we did have ideas going forward and were banging the goals in.
    What do you think MA/Pappa Joe would say when Hardpoo went to them asking for attackers?!

  • 56 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:36 AM


    Not saying you were one of them but 90% of this blog had our team shown as this same time last year

    ———————- Krul ———————-
    Simspon – STaylor – Coloccini – Santon
    ————— Tiote —- Anita —————
    Ben Arfa ——- Cabaye —— Marveaux
    ——————— CISSE ——————–

    With Ba on the bench, how times have changed! lol I was one of the minority saying Ba was the one to watch.

    Good times, was slated for that too!!

  • 57 brian kilclines pony tail // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    and now we have pardew flogging cabaye

  • 58 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:39 AM


    I actually missed off Jonas from my list before…oops…

    And seriously, compare our squad to Everton’s

    Their most common first 11 last season was Howard, Baines, Coleman, Jagielka, Distin, Mirallas, Gibson, Osman, Pienaar, Fellaini and Jelavic. Some decent players in there…but Gibson? Distin? Seriously…

    Go beyond that and they have Robles, Heitinga, Alcaraz, Hibbert, Barkley, Oviedo, Deulofeu, Naismith, Kone and Anichebe. There aren’t really any top quality proven PL players in there either!

    Robles TO Elliott
    Heitinga TO Saylor
    Alcaraz TO Willo
    Hibbert TO Haidara
    Barkley TO Anita
    Oviedo TO Jonas
    Deulofea TO Bigi (but this is one position I expect us to strengthen)
    Naismith TO Marv
    Kone TO (but this is another position I expect us to strengthen)
    Anichebe TO Shola

    There really isn’t that much difference there, and with the two players I think we need, we’re definitely in a good spot to target 7th. Do you think they are obviously better than us overall?

  • 59 christoon5369 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:39 AM


    so team talk before each pre season game is, right lads just run round for a bit and see what happens
    not a chance,
    games are there to build up to the start of the season to get the team to gel and play to certain tactics fitness build up also, managers sign players early to help the intergrate into the team not so they can play preseason to see how fit they are

    also just because you put FACT doesnt mean its true

  • 60 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Not good news on the transfer front.

  • 61 skipwallsend1977 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Pawl, yeah I see what you’re saying mate but that team was based on how Cisse had performed jan to may of that year. Nobody could have envisioned how badly him and Ba would play together or how poor cisse would be on his own (albeit with poor service)
    I would’ve said the same team had Cisse carried on his run of worldies last season

  • 62 geordiesteve520 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Oh Jeff, you naive little boy you, I do believe he was making a mockery of your insistence of putting down ‘dream teams’ and he included several ‘interesting choices’ including 3 time Grand National winner Red Rum and the ‘greatest horse ever’ Frankel – also he included ‘missing’ peers Lord Lucan, Prince Phillip, the Duke of Edinburgh and a literal superhero, not the Brazilian forward. As I mentioned earlier, you are literally to stupid/naive/young to insult. ;)

  • 63 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Toon Avenger

    I don’t think I included Raylor in my calculations, but I’m not sure.

    Eliott, Willo, Jonas, Saylor and Shola are fine as squad players. They all do their jobs when called upon. We’re not going to have 25 top internationals like Chelski or Citeh!

    I’ve not ben impressed by Obertan but he’s not exactly old so there’s still time for him to contribute. And I haven’t really seen Amafatlatino either!

    But there’s still some quality back up.

  • 64 sirtoongospel // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Transfer Sage……. exactly. Look at the Muslim lads in Portugal. Not one of them adhering to Ramadan. Now Ramadan is important to them. But if you questioned their beliefs they would be hugely offended. And rightly so.

    With regards to Papiss, when I have been to see him, I have had to wait while he finished praying, an also he has excused himself to go and pray. So as you say, some people are stringent with certain aspects, others can be different.

    On another note, the amount is fitness Papiss does in his own house is insane. Perhaps that’s why he remains fit so well. He is dedicated on that score. Even a couple of months ago he split his head open when the weight fell off his bench! It was gonna hit him in the nose so he he had to head butt it!! Lol. He took some ribbing for that!

    Oh, and with him house hunting at the moment I am certain he doesn’t want a way out. He is (or was) extremely settled here.

  • 65 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:46 AM


    Actually, mate, I think you’re the one who’s just been had, Jeff is merely trying to elicit a response of any kind, that’s what trolls do. Are you that naive? He’s been at it for weeks and still people continue to amuse him.

  • 66 JDdubai // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    @steve post 62

    Im sorry but you have come off looking more stupid and naive as you took him to be genuine.

    Jeff is a troll and deliberately puts up stupid posts to get a reaction and you have just fed him as so many do.

    Jeff has outsmarted you sadly.

  • 67 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:46 AM


    it is a well known case that pre season is about FITNESS levels, otherwise why risk playing players to get injured?

    Tactics can be amended and implemented on training ground, especially set pieces.

    People like them in early to gel with the team, doesn’t mean they have to play pre season with full commitment its about Fitness, its why Sunderland didn’t buy Peruzzi because he cannot participate in pre season fitness and Di Canio said he will be injured and we cannot afford a half fit player. NOT hes injured he wont gel lol


    Pardew cannot win, he could say Cabaye is not for sale and he is for sale lol twisting words much?

    If you asked Moyes what he thought and the transfer status of Van Persie he wouldn’t say ahhh hes crap hes not for sale.

    Or would he say hes a great player, a great instinct finisher and professional and he is not for sale lol OH BUT HE IS FOR SALE according to your logic hahaha?!

    Some fans crack me up.

    Here is a FACT …. ALL of our players are for sale, providing it is for the right price.

    Carroll and Ba are the ONLY players we have sold we did not really want to sell. Carroll for 35m, hes arguably not worth 15m….. and Ba because of a clause.

    Fact is….. we will sell Cabaye if someone wants to pay 30m, or what the club deem acceptable (arguably higher end we know how greedy MA is) until then he is very much a Newcastle player…. end of.

    Just because Pardew praises a player does not mean he will sell them, that logic is a sign of pure paranoia …. making things up to make yourself feel better lol

  • 68 skipwallsend1977 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    Richyg what’s the bad news?

  • 69 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Toon Avenger

    And to address your points about MA making money from us getting relegated…simply idiotic. Let me explain why.

    The money that goes to signing players, paying wages, paying bills and so on, comes from the NUFC BANK ACCOUNT, not MA’s pocket! Money coming in from ticket sales, player sales, sponsorship etc. goes into the NUFC BANK ACCOUNT, not MA’s pocket either. Any money that MA wishes to take out of the club needs to be declared in the accounts. So far, he took a small amount (around £10M I think) last season to pay off a chunk of the INTEREST FREE LOAN that he gave us when we got relegated.

    So reducing the wage bill and selling a few players just meant that the club didn’t have to spend quite as much.

    In all the ways you look at it, our revenue was down that seaon, the valuation of the club took a severe hit and it’s affected our earning potential for future years. If we were sitting here as a stable PL team that had been in this league for 20 years in a row now, don’t you think we’d be a more attractive prospect for sponsors? Whereas, we’re sitting here in our 3rd year back in the PL having faced a relegation battle last season.

    No, MA has not made money from us being relegated. Stupid comment.

  • 70 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM


    I’m pretty sure we didn’t want to sell Enrique. We also offered Kevin Nolan a new contract, which would indicate that we didn’t really want to sell him, he, quite rightly as it turned out, believed he had plenty still to offer PL football, he would still have featured heavily in our starting XI or near abouts.

    30m for Cabaye? A bid around 25m or maybe even a few million less would buy him.

  • 71 geordiesteve520 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    If that’s the case then ‘Grrrr’ :(

  • 72 Transfer Sage // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:52 AM


    yeh exactly…each follows religion their own way these days, not like hundreds of years ago when everyone was very strict with every aspect.

    And on fitness thats interesting, i saw and interview with roy hodgson where he said when managing england it is so obvious to see which players do the extra fitness/gym work and which ones dont.

  • 73 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:54 AM


    And if you look at the valuations of the squads on transfermarkt, you can see that 6th place is Liverpool with £240M and an average of £9.6M, then it’s us with £140M and an average of £5.4M just ahead (the 140 is rounded) of Everton but they have an average of £5.5M

    Next is Swansea on £105M.

    So an independent judge purely on the quality (value) of our squad puts us in 7th place, albeit miles away from 6th. And I think we should be competing for 7th with Everton.. I’m sure the likes of Swansea, Villa and the mackems will fancy their chances too mind you.

  • 74 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Ruddy, 25m is just as acceptable for a player we paid 4m for, but as stated he is not worth that amount, its simply the amount people are to pay for him.

    Enrqiue, granted but he did not want to stay so we sold him willingly.

    Nolan was shown the door IMO, I feel the club knew Cabaye was coming in and offloaded an older player with high wages when given the chance. Fans may not have wanted him sold, but I was ok with seeing him go, he did what he needed to do to get us in the PL fair play to him.

    I feel Nolan was not a player we did not want to let go.

    Enrqiue as stated I can see the logic we wanted to keep him but he didn’t want to stay so we let him go.

  • 75 BandB // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    As others have said, Remy has only been accused of rape. He has not been charged. And stating that he has is libellous. Which is serious.
    The blog is a public space with thousands of hits a day. Your anonymity wouldn’t last long if his lawyers cut up rough. You’ve seen it happen.
    And Ed, as the publisher of the blog, could be in the clarts too.
    So please lads, gan canny.

  • 76 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Here, its not just us on here who are having a go at Cisse: Muslims hit out at Cisse’s double standards

  • 77 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM


    The problem with Nolan is that he’s pretty one dimensional and I’d rather have Cabaye than him any day.

    I think we also offered him a shorter contract with incentives in it, but instead he dropped down a division to join West Ham on a longer contract for more money. I’m not sure why people never mention the cold calculated view that he obviously took to make that decision…

  • 78 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:57 AM


    I agree, Cabaye is a more complete midfielder than Nolan.

  • 79 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Good interview with Paul Dummett

  • 80 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    I don’t want Cabaye to go. If he’s worth £25M, then I’d rather have a £25M international a the club than have £25M in the bank or a couple of £10M players. We can’t attract a £25M international to the club, so we should do all we can to keep them when we have them!

    Why aren’t Spurs keen to sell Bale for £60M or so? Because they need to keep their top players at the club.

  • 81 christoon5369 // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM


    is you CAPS lock broken?

    yes fitness is part of it but at the end of the day theres only so much you can do on the training ground, you need to put it into practice, implementing training methods would be tested and adapted in a match hense pre season games, from what i can see from these games is nothing has changed and its the same traning methods and lack of ideas from last season, lack of movement is schoolboy stuff, no movement to open space, sideways or backward passing. what has dicanio got to do with it? you missing the point lol

  • 82 jeff // Jul 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    would u swap cisse for bent + 5 mil

  • 83 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    We didn’t sell Enrique willingly, we wanted him to stay, he wanted to go, how is that selling a player willingly?

    We offered him a 3 year incentive based contract, whereas West Ham offered him a 5 year deal on a longer contract. He may be 1 dimensional, but so is Tiote, and Nolan scores more goals than all our midfield players combined. He was an excellent player for us, and sure as hell wouldn’t have accepted the cr@p served up last season.

    Don’t think we should be so dismissive of players who dug this club up from the dirt following relegation.

    Fans have short memories.

  • 84 jeff // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    i would guys

  • 85 jeff // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    couldn’t agree more rudderly marvelous

  • 86 jeff // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    would you guys rather fight sissoko or coloccini

  • 87 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM


    I’m not dismissive of him at all, he was brilliant for us when we got promoted. As were players like Guthrie, Smith and Jonas.

    But I don’t think his style fits in with the way we wanted to play. And like you say, he left for a contract that would take him up to about 33 or 34 years old. Why would we have done that?

  • 88 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM


    It would be worthy to note that of Liverpools 240m

    Suraez is 37m of it
    Lucas 15m???
    Johnson 11.5m??

    But yea they should still finish above us, infact the overall look of the league in terms of value does not look unrealistic

    1. Man City
    2. Chelsea
    3. Man Utd
    4. Arsenal
    5. Spurs
    6. Liverpool
    7. Newcastle
    8. Everton
    9. Swansea
    14.West Ham
    17.West Brom (good bet for relegation 10/1)

  • 89 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Can someone add a block feature so I can block Jeff please.

    Jeff – go get a job.

  • 90 brian kilclines pony tail // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    @pawl250 – he didnt say that he’s not for sale so what are you talking about, he is trying to drum up interest so we can sell him as we are a ‘bit heavy in midfield and a bit light up front’ remember his comments from a few weeks ago. cabayes sale will fund our strikers.

    oh and pre season is about a hell of a lot more than just fitness. please consider tactics, dead ball plays, defensive and attacking positional play to name but a few.

    if it was just about fitness they would play against the clubs youth teams to avoid any injury because you can not assume that an opposing player wont go in two footed in a friendly.

  • 91 Transfer Sage // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:07 PM


    But thats other muslims presuming cisse follows the religion the same as they do.

    The fact is there are several divisons within islam and then on top of that each person will probably be slightly different in how the follow the teachings.

  • 92 Bring Back Laurent Robert // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM


    Meaningless. “Islam isn’t about picking and choosing.”. For the spokesman, perhaps not, but some people who are brought up believing a certain theology, only use that as a basis for how to lead their lives, not a whole encompassing fundamentalist view. As told by another poster who’s travelled all over the Middle East and Africa, there are many denominations of Islam. Also, I’ve said previously, who’s to say it is for religious reasons Cisse is taking this stance? How about he’s a philanthropic bloke that comes from a background of poverty so knows it first hand, so he’s taking a personal ethical stance?

    That’s the problems with labels, you tag yourself or get tagged with one and it stays with you, people profile you based on their benighted view and you get others speaking and acting for you, because you’re part of that social group.

    In the meantime, until it all comes to light as it surely will, why don’t people show a bit of restraint and drop it?

  • 93 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM


    Lucas is an excellent player. I have a few Liverpool fans in my family and they swear that Lucas’ absence to injury was a big reason for them doing so badly in recent seasons. He’s basically like Tiote was in season 2011/12.

    I wouldn’t be shocked if the table ended up like that either.

    But we’re so far off 6th in terms of squad value, wage bill, revenue etc. that it’s not realistic to expect that. 7th would be a good result.

  • 94 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM


    I guarantee you that Nolan will still be starting for West Ham when he is 34, he might even get an extension. Sometimes you have to look at a player, look at his credentials, his leadership, not just his playing ability. On current ability Nolan would be challenging Tiote for a spot in the team, he’s not as technically gifted as Cabaye but his timing of runs into the box is second to none (well perhaps Gerrard or Lampard) but Nolan is still a quality player.

    But you’re right, he doesn’t suit the style of play at the moment, given that our style of play is disjointed, lacking fight and commitment. Whereas Nolan would give blood sweat and tears for the side, as well as bring a bit of quality.

    Don’t think there is a single player on our squad who we could say that about, which is sad.

  • 95 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Ruddy -

    You love twisting things to suit your own needs.

    Nolan is a great player, but given our signing of Cabaye I really cannot see him getting in our team …. or the team at the time rather.

    He was 1, if not the main reason we came up, you assume people forget it no one actually said otherwise though.

    I was happy to see Nolan go, I feel he is past his best although you are correct he would have pushed players more last season.

    As for Enrique the club willingly let him go, we could have kept him until the end of the season I.e Guthrie, Simpson but we CHOSE to sell him. Its also arguable he may have signed a new contract when finished 5th at the time.

    Still we let him go, I would have loved him to stay, and I see your argument but we willingly let him go otherwise we would have done the same thing we did in the past.

    As for Nolan, as stated I feel club let him leave at the right price in the end. Not much more you could have expected from that transaction. AND he would not have been happy sitting on the bench.

  • 96 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    We’re not going to get back into the CL by selling our players that are good enough to be in the CL and buying players with ‘potential’.

    Krul, Colo, Debuchy, Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Cisse are all good enough to play for CL teams and a few others are on the verge too. We need to keep them.

  • 97 Belfast // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Really miss Nolans leadership and goals.
    One of the best captains around.

    Think if he was at the club last season, we wouldn’t have seen certain players walking around the pitch not giving a ferk in certain games.

  • 98 Ben3arfa // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    Joke Kinnear is taking us down to the Championship, I wish him nothing but ill health that bloody scumbag

  • 99 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM


    Lucas is a brilliant play WHEN he plays.

    Hes too injury prone, and he is better than Tiote, mind he only proved it 1 season before injury.

    Before, and since he has never reached that quality. I have Liverpool fans as friends, they are now skeptical on whether he will ever reach his peak due to injury.

  • 100 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM


    I’m not getting sucked into a big conversation with you. We wanted to keep Enrique, he didn’t want to stay.

    Willingly selling a player is when you sell a player who would rather stay at the club, for example, Perch. Enrique doesn’t fall in that category.

  • 101 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM


    We’ll have to agree to disagree on Nolan then. At the time Pardew signed Cabaye he said he wanted to use him as the fulcrum for the team, with nice attacking passing play going through him. When we finished 5th that worked a treat, but last season Cabaye was injured and/or off-form and with Ben Arfa in a similar way, we really didn’t have much creativity in midfield. Sure, in that circumstances it would be great to have had Nolan to come in, but he wouldn’t get in our first 11 now. I see Sissoko as a younger and better replacement who also fits into our style of play.

  • 102 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:16 PM


    That’s what I’ve been trying to say, look at the fight in some of the games Nolan and Barton played in, Barton perhaps showed too much fight, but on retrospect I’d rather have someone fighting for the team and getting carried away than players just accepting the ship is sinking.

  • 103 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    TDS Tottenham disagree with you …..

    They have sold ALL of their best players in the past to fund a team they have now, fighting for CL spots.

    Likes of Berbatov, Modric, VDV, Keane …

    The list really does go on, and they have spent every penny and more to stay in line with likes of Arsenal who have spent buttons in comparison.

  • 104 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:17 PM


    You keep talking about “style of play”

    What exactly is our style of play, as you see it?

  • 105 plana // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Its supposed to be a football blog. But this Cisse twat has brought religion into it!

  • 106 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:20 PM


    Will Cisse still be a tw@t if he lines up in the black and white next season?

  • 107 Munster Mag // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Ruddy, I’d be amazed if we got that much (250 ) for Cabaye …..I see Pards is being clever, gentky ratcheting up the pressure on Kinnear. Twice in his brief statement he said we need a player (s) NOW. I still cant believe Ashley is that stupid to get Kinnear back but it seems that way. My Forest pals love telling me about things he did at their club. They despised him and laughed at him. And then we pluck him out of retirement. Lordy. Wonder has he rang Wenger yet? :)

  • 108 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    TDS – I agree with you.

    Last season our better creative players were missing for the majority of a season, and when not missing fighting fitness to be anywhere near their best.

    I feel this season, IF all our players stay fit I think we will be a much improved side.

    Their is nothing wrong with a long ball now and then, but to blatantly bypass a midfield as gifted as ours technical wise would be criminal.

    I also think you will see less long balls from Krul this year, with competent players on the ball playing out from the back. Likes of Debuchy, Mbiwa, Colo and Santon are all comfortable and therefore we have no need to hoof the ball to Cisse who is a questionable target man, he is for me a fox in the box type player and would thrive playing in a 4-3-3 formation.

    I only hope this dispute ends soon so we can move on and look forward to a season. I feel this season is top 10 for me.

    People are wrongly judging performances based on last year when we had players injured, no communication with the new boys, EL games I mean the above will take atleast 10 points off you in a season, that was enough for a top 10 finish minimum.

  • 109 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:23 PM


    But they didn’t want to sell any of those players. They kept hold of Berbatov and Modric when huge clubs were linked with them. You remember the stance that they had over Modric one summer? He started off badly for them, then finished strongly and eventually got his move the following summer. VdV was always a bit of a nomad and a wildcard, he was never expected to stay for long. Keane actually ended up coming back after 6 months and then Spurs did want to sell him when he never got back to his own form.

  • 110 Jamseyd24 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    If Cisse was making a stand because of his religious beliefs then I could empathise with him. However just deciding not to wear the shirt because of a personal reason is not good enough. There are a lot of things I don’t like about my work but I soldier on, otherwise I wouldn’t get paid and the same thing should happen in this case. People wouldn’t think he was a villain if he was truthful and didn’t like a lot of people choose to use his religion as and when it suits. He should respect the badge on the jersey.

  • 111 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM


    It’s ‘supposed’ to be a more passing game, and I think it was in 2011/12 with Tiote protecting the defence and Cabaye dictating the play. But as I’ve mentioned before, it fell apart as Cabaye hardly ever played well last season, Ben Arfa wasn’t fit enough and so we had very little creativity.

    Next season I see:
    – Debuchy and Santon should be able to get forward more
    – Anita/Tiote can protect the defence
    – Cabaye should dictate the play
    – Sissoko should be a dynamic box to box midfielder
    – 2 of Ben Arfa/Goofy/Marv/NEW SIGNING! to support the striker

  • 112 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Ruddy -

    I agree too many contradictions on this blog.

    1 minute they all love Cisse, next minute hate him, next minute love him.

    Its like Ba, Colo, Pardew… list goes on the slightest rumor or article they dislike then BANG they all judge!

    Cisse is a great player, he maybe money hungry or whatever his reasons are they are his reasons.

    Still you will bow down to him if he scores 20 goals next season for the club!

    Football is full of tw@ts….. just the modern era, accept it, live with it, move on.

  • 113 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:26 PM


    I’d be amazed if we got 25 for him, but I’d be gutted if we sold him for anything less.

    As for JFK, I really don’t have the energy nor inclination to be bothered effing and blinding about what a ludicrous decision it was to bring him to the club. I think people can already see that we are now 24 days into the transfer window and we’re nowhere near a first team signing, even if he signs 3 players in the next month, he has still failed, as he has not given Pardew ample time to work with a full squad in pre-season, which in turn, has simply afforded Pardew another excuse when things go belly up.

  • 114 toonie // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    With Fulham out of the bidding for Bent, surely we can get at least one over the line….

  • 115 AndyNUFC // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    Plana – and most people I’m reading for instance – you are a mug.

    Let’s get some background on Cisse / NUFC:

    Nolan was our captain – he lead us to promotion and stabilised us in the Premier League. The fact was though, at 28 he knew we wouldn’t offer him the wages and length in his contract he wanted – so we let him go – reluctantly on his part.

    Cisse is now 28. He is being courted by some mega-rich Russian clubs. He clearly wants assurances on his contract to stay here before any offer and huge wage comes from elsewhere.

    The fact is, Cisse has NEVER came out and said “Being Muslic means I can’t wear the shirt”.

    ADD to that, the Wonga deal was done in October. If he was so bothered about Islamic ethics – would he not have publicly declared by now that it is an issue, and not gamble as well?

    He is a footballer – doing what footballer inevitably do, stop being a mug, believing the press and people jumping to conclusions and leave any religion out of it. Even the respected have told people this.

  • 116 plana // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Yes ruddy but he will not be here next season.

  • 117 AndyNUFC // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Obviously, i’m a mug for making up the word Muslic now…

  • 118 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM


    I don’t get why we even bothered with long balls, Cisse was never going to do anything with them. But I think we were really stuck otherwise. A midfield of Tiote, Anita (new to the club), Perch and Jonas is hardly likely to create many chance though…

    At least we have signed another attacking FB, Santon is developing, Sissoko is a top signing, Marv is developing, Goofy should create more and Ben Arfa and Cabaye will hopefully stay fit.

    We have more options than last season at least so hopefully fewer long balls!

  • 119 Transfer Sage // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    i have no issue with cisse

    too many of us might want to stand up to our boss/company values but can’t due to needing money for our homes, family etc

    but he is in a position where he can afford it so i admire him for doing it…makes it easier than for your average joe but he is doing it

  • 120 plana // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Andy and your an idiot! Who knows nothing.

  • 121 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:31 PM


    I’d argue that our 2011/12 season was not a season based on passing football, we were made believe that it was, but the reality is much different. Cabaye was a great passer in that team, but the team in general wasn’t great at passing, save for Guthrie whose passing range was fantastic.

    As for Santon going forward more, I’d rather he learned how to defend.

    Sissoko has said he feels he is a number 10, and unfortunately Pardew seems intent on playing him there.

    Banking on a new signing feels like p!ssing in the wind right now.

  • 122 AndyNUFC // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Plana, you’re telling me are idiots? You would rather believe a website desperate to just get clicks from gullible rumour seekers?

  • 123 brian kilclines pony tail // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    random but just seen that last year we played an average of 69 long balls per game!
    shocking when stoke had 63.

    im not sure what the difference is between a long ball and a short ball distance wise, it must be under/around the 20m mark for a short pass but then i wouldnt say a 21m pass was a long pass.
    anyone know? ive googled but cant find an answer.

  • 124 toonie // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    Club Call: Fulham have dropped out of the running to sign Aston Villa’s Darren Bent over his wages, leaving Newcastle in pole position

  • 125 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    As for Cisse, I think he is being incredibly disingenuous, he is taking the moral high ground with the Wonga issue but it picking and choosing what parts of his religion to follow.

    He is trying to manoeuvre a way out of the club, and I think the club shouldn’t stand for it.

    If he lines up in the black and white I will support him all the way, but if he wants out he should submit a transfer request, not hide behind his religion.

  • 126 ToonDownSouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:34 PM


    Agreed. A player finally takes a stance on a moral issue – one that most of us are unhappy with sponsoring our club – and a campaign is started to undermine him.

    Why is it beyond the realms of possibility that he does not like the business of Wonga and their like but does not mind having some fun in a casino?

  • 127 Jamseyd24 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    Does anyone out there think we will sign anyone this month???

  • 128 richyg01 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM


    Yeah, coz Fulham wont pay him £80K a week – we definately won’t!

  • 129 Transfer Sage // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM


    Religion is like that though. Several different groups within islam…maybe his is less strict on gambling? maybe he just doesn’t follow that part through choice?

    Look at the difference between catholic and church of england….one allows women vicars the other wont have women priests….both christianity but applied differently.

    Religion is never a black and white topic.

  • 130 Jamseyd24 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    TDS, It shouldnt matter if a player doesnt like the business of the sponser. What your saying is, if Mcdonalds is our next sponser and a player doesnt like a big mac he can decide not to wear the shirt????

  • 131 Transfer Sage // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM


    exactly…he may well be like that.

    at the worst he could be trying to force a move, at best he is taking a moral or religious stance.

    the middle ground is maybe he has had some bad advice from members of his religious community or he is being naive.

  • 132 pawl250 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    I think our first signing will be before Tuesday next week ;)

  • 133 Belfast // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Yeah take the Liverpool and Sunderland game for example. Players just gave up and folded.

    I don’t think Nolan would of stood for that kind of shite like.

    Not saying the result wouldn’t of happened, but they certainly wouldn’t have gave up like that.

  • 134 Toon Avenger // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Cisse is a hypocrite as he’s probably broken these rules too:

    It is a sin to pluck your eyebrows.

    It is against Islamic doctrine to have pictures in your home.

    The punishment for having unmarried sex is whipping with a hundred lashes and then being exiled for a year.

    Wearing the colour yellow is forbidden.

    A Muslim must avoid yawning. Mohammad said, “Yawning is from Satan.”

    Dogs should be killed. All dogs.

    It is a sin to lie on your back and cross your feet.

    Get him out of NUFC!!!!

  • 135 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM


    I’m confused on Sissoko’s position…I reaslly thought he was a defensive midfielder before we got him, then I thought we were just using him in an attacking role because we needed someone there and he started off well, but surely with his energy, he can be a fantastic box to box midfielder? If he plays the No. 10 though, I think he’ll be very similar to Nolan. But better.

    I’m not saying that all of our players were great at passing. But what we had was Tiote protecting the defence, Cabaye making some fantastic passes and then Ba/Cisse finishing off loads of chances. We were lucky in that we had a striker in absolutely top form for all of the season (albeit 2 different strikers).

  • 136 ToonDownSouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM


    I believe that if we were sponsored by ANYONE, and a player had a serious issue with the morals and ethics of the company, then they should take a stand.

    We’re all sick of this clubs image being peed on, and having a company like Wonga as our sponsor just adds to it – unfortunately we can’t make a difference, but the players can.

  • 137 Transfer Sage // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM


    If a player objects to a certain company for moral reasons they shouldnt have to wear it. Basically they are using their image and world wide profile to boost a business they do not believe in.

    I think to use an extreme example if we were sponsored by a terrorist group (i know it would never happen), or a lesser thing like a company who openly tests cosmetics on animals, then players could object.

    Each person has their own morals so therefore their own issue.

  • 138 Jonny // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Play santon on the wing next season and we have our own bale

  • 139 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Toon Avenger

    Don’t be such an ignorant d**k. If you don’t understand enough to comment about Cisse’s religious beliefs then don’t. You have a right to question his apparent lack of consistency in following his chosen religion, but it’s stupid to poke fun at a religion you know nothing about.

    We don’t know the details on Cisse and I really hope it comes out soon.

    I also disagree that people can’t pick and choose. There are many religious leaders in every religion that have slightly different interpretations on their religion. Maybe his imam draws the line at Wonga whereas Virgin money was acceptable…maybe his imam says that gambling for small amounts (for Cisse) for fun is fine as long as it’s just for fun and not for attempted financial gain. As far as you and I know, he would donate any profits to charity.

    We just don’t know enough to make sweeping statements.

  • 140 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM


    Of course they should have to wear it. It’s in their contract that they will wear the strip. Should the club consult every one of their players to ensure that they are ok with it? I can’t stand MacDonalds and I think online gambling sites are sad and nasty too, if I was a player could I refuse to wear those strips?

  • 141 ToonDownSouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM


    You saved me posting that, thanks. Googling “Strange Muslim laws” hardly gives enough insight into a man’s beliefs to start slating him.

  • 142 ToonDownSouth // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    And I don’t necessarily think you should refuse to wear the strips, but I’d say it would be your obligation as a role model to take issue with a company with questionable ethics.

  • 143 plana // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    Andy do you believe the government when they tell you anything? Cisse is a hypocrite he is paid thousands of pounds to play football, but chooses to drag his employers NUFC, through the mud. So if you are happy to support his behavior then who is the real idiot.

  • 144 Transfer Sage // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM


    Yes. Its a moral stand point.

    If you object so heavily to a certain company/person would you want them gaining more custom/money by using your image?

    Thats whats happening. Everytime cisse is on tv or fans see him he is endorsing a company he doesn’t support by wearing the strip.

    I can see the clubs point of view but at the same time from a personal view point if i was that against a company i wouldnt wear/support their brand.

  • 145 Toon Avenger // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Toon down sarf

    You absolute moron. I am defending Cisse if you care pay attention to my posts.

    I am humorously pointing out that not everyone can follow all rules and that many Muslims will do what’s best for the majority and suffer the consequences of individual errors relating to their faith.

    You docile asinine fool.

  • 146 Toon Avenger // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM



  • 147 Jail for Ashley // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Plana is a troll and wum engaging with him only keeps him here longer he is a pointless cretin.

  • 148 Toon Avenger // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Sunderland scored from a corner.

  • 149 Transfer Sage // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Too many people these days object to things then just complain on facebook, twitter, to their mates etc

    People need to realise that these big companies cannot exist without the money/support of us.

    If people object that much to government, companies, people, etc etc then they shouldn’t just sit down and take it.

    I am proud of cisse for standing up to Ashley for this sponsorship deal as I detest wonga and similar companies. I will not buy the shirt, tickets or anything to do with the club until it is off our shirt.

  • 150 Jamseyd24 // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    I think we can all agree there is more to it than meets the eye. Well meet our eyes anyway, and like you have said something needs to be done about it ASAP. I would love him to stay. Also It boils down to the management of our beloved club again, This should have been sorted long before now.

  • 151 AndyNUFC // Jul 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    To people it seems Islam is some “all or nothing” religion – in fact, like every religion, the main ‘pillars’ of belief are there, then most other teachings are open to interpretation (considering modern lifestyle circumstances).

    If we were sponsored by Durex, as Cabaye is Catholic – and he stayed behind this summer – would it be the Durex sponsorship or the fact big clubs are after him that you would agree to be the reason?

  • 152 Toon_Tom // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    anyone know anything about Gomis? Mentioned yesterday that it was ‘tweeted that he was on route??

  • 153 toon kk // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    TDS …
    you clearly think no one has an opinion and your always right. You just love shit stirring. U clever git.

  • 154 Toon Avenger // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:01 PM


    The human race is in a state of decay.

  • 155 plana // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Avenger Ha ha! You radgy cont!

  • 156 swisstone // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    My take on cisse situation is he strikes me as being incredibly thick.

    Its my view that someone else takes control of his affairs as he is unlikely to be capable of it.

    Which means he’ll have a manager or an agent in the background pulling his strings.

    I think that is what he is guilty of.

  • 157 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    I’m not sure what is more ridiculous, the bloke who I just had a meeting with who wants me to pay him $1000 so he can get the rights to selling a farm he has been trying to sell me for 3 months, or some of the comments on this blog.

    Whatever Cisse’s stance, be it religuous, ethical, wants more cash, there is absolutely no need for him to be getting over the top abuse.

    I’ve seen lots of posters on here say they wouldn’t buy a shirt that had Wonga on the front, some of the same now have a go at Cisse for not wanting to wear it. There has still been no official confirmation as to why he won’t wear it so any claims of hypocrisy are pure speculation.

    Ideally this will be sorted out quickly, but nothing happens quickly at this club, but if we can bring in a couple of strikers it becomes less of an issue. If he stays and plays great. If he ends up going, I’d rather have 2 striker already in before he leaves.

  • 158 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM


    No, I wouldn’t want them gaining the publicity. But I’m not paid £2M a year with a contract that my employers can use my image for commercial gain. And isn’t it a luxury for a player to refuse to follow his contract yet he still gets paid…

    It’s business, that’s what is it. He has to have a pretty damn serious personal reason to affect that.

  • 159 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Toon Avenger

    Pretty funny way of defending him, seeming to poke fun at his religion!

    Every religion has some ridiculous statements. I’m pretty sure that homosexuals and those having extra-marital affairs should be put to death if we followed the bible too.

  • 160 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Most players have an agent or manager in the background attempting to manipulate situations. Doesn’t make them “incredibly thick”. Anelka has made millions for himself and his brothers by letting them pull the strings in the background. Who is the thick one, the people who then pay him the cash, or him and his brothers for making money?

    If Cisse wants more money, then that is his call. If he has been offered more elsewhere then that is what the market dictates. He has more than just himself to look after, with a fair proportion of his wages going to his charity back home. Why wouldn’t he want to earn more for them and himself.

  • 161 plana // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    You know the wooden tops are beaten when they start calling you a troll. That’s the new word they hide behind. When they’re caught out. Better to be a troll than a idiot.

  • 162 kt97toonarmy // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Afternoon lads

    I cant believe it pardew woke up nd realised we need signings bout time too cas i speak for us all when i say its getin boring hopefully we can say we have a signing by theend of next week.

    Also i think this shud b our team next season

    Debuchy colo saylor mbiwa

    Benni cabaye sissoko santon/remy(if he signs)
    Gomis cisse

  • 163 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    Cisse has been fined wages according to various media outlets because of his stance. They can continue doing this for a certain amount of time, and suspend without pay if he is in breach of contract.

  • 164 WWYCD // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    So its Gomis and Remy or bust today? About time we started working out some flaming transfer business

  • 165 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    toon kk

    Everyone has an opinion, just some on this blog have leapt to their without engaging their brain first. Surely that’s what this blog is for, so people can share ideas?

    I wouldn’t care to comment on what the players look like in training, how Vuckic is looking in pre-season or how good the squad was in the 70s because I just don’t know enough about those topics. It’s interesting to hear from people who do.

    So I wish people would stop being so firm in their opinions on things like Cisse, Islam, the appointment of JFK, MA’s attitude towards running the club financially etc. It’s all well and good questioning those things but stupid to pass judgement with so few facts at their disposal.

  • 166 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Wooden tops? Which people on the blog are Belgian?

  • 167 Toon_Tom // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Cisse/New CF~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  • 168 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:13 PM


    Fair enough, but I did hear that he was only fined a small amount. Not sure how true that is.

    He must be in breach of contract but I really hope the club works out an amicable solution.

    I think it’s a problem because Cisse is in breach of contract by refusing to wear the top and the club would be in breach of contract with Wonga if they allowed Cisse to play without wearing the top. Surely it’s got to be Wonga who are flexible. It’s not as if strict Muslims are going to be using their services anyway!

  • 169 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    If we’d signed a striker and another attacking player in early July, there would still be people complaining now that we haven’t signed any more…and still speculation that we would sign another 4 players…

  • 170 Toon_Tom // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    ^ when backs against the wall defending with 5 plus Anita and Sissoko – when attacking we have 7 with Gouf/Remy and Benny providing the width – this way our full backs both become old school flying wing backs as they both prefer!

  • 171 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    I agree on most of that, but the longer we go without a signing the more people are being proved right about JK being useless….. He was brought in to supposedly speed the process up and improve it. He has 5/6 weeks left, and he has been here the same amount of time. Let’s hope he has a couple of aces up his sleeve, cause it is looking a lot like he was bluffing with his opening interviews.

  • 172 kt97toonarmy // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Toon tom

    Cabayes not in that team u must b mad

  • 173 kt97toonarmy // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    I think we just took the lead for bent

  • 174 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM


    Yeah. When someone is brought in and their job is to improve the squad by shipping out some dead wood and bringing in some top quality but they only do the former…it’s not really doing a good job is it…

    It’s a bit like hiring a gardener to clear out all the weeds and dead plants and plant some new pretty stuff, but all you’re left with is sparse plants and empty soil…

    Let’s hope we get at least 2 first team players over the line.

  • 175 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    I think he will continually be fined while this continues, up until the point where it is against PFA rules. If no solution is found by then I reckon he will be suspended. But that will be a last resort as it would lower any potential value and create more bad blood.

    I think if we bring in a couple of new centre forwards of 1st team calibre, Wonga may give ground on the issue. It will most likely involve Cisse giving up the iconic number 9 shirt though.

  • 176 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM


    Yes, some people would still complain that we’re not making strides in the transfer market, purely because we all know the weaknesses in the squad and want to see them remedied.

    However, what is grating most people is that none of the weaknesses in the squad have been addressed, in fact our squad is weaker than it was last season.

    I think people are warranted in their complaints.

  • 177 WWYCD // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    If Fulham wont pay his wages why would we?

  • 178 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM


    Good point on the number 9. Surely Wonga won’t give up their sponsorship on that iconic shirt.

    I wonder if someone has told Cisse that he can wear a blank shirt or shirt with a charity’s logo on it as long as he gives up the number 9. Seems a logical compromise to me.

  • 179 brian kilclines pony tail // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    @Lilongwe – this is not the fans fault we are speculating as there are blanks which need filled in. this whole debate could be removed by the club releasing a statement rather than fans having to draw their own conclusions from the speculation that has been released in the media. but that wont happen.

    again we find ourselves seeking clarity from the club.

  • 180 kt97toonarmy // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Also interesting news for every1 hoping to get gameiro

  • 181 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM


    It could be the case that in order to play for Fulham he would want the full 80k, but perhaps he would take a pay cut to play for us.

    I wouldn’t want to see him on anything more than 50k, and I doubt he’d ever take a pay cut to that extent.

  • 182 WWYCD // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Why would he take a pay cut to play for us? Blokes looking for his last pay packet isnt he?

  • 183 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Killers pony tail,
    I agree, the club have been lacking on this issue again. Does that make it right for people to be giving abuse though if it is the club that has failed to dispel rumours and paint an accurate picture?

  • 184 ToonDarnSarf // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:23 PM


    How and on what planet is our squad worse than last season?

    We’ve lost Ba, Simpson, Harper and Perch and gained Debuchy, Goofy, Sissoko, Haidara and MYM.

    Elliott is perfectly good enough alternative to Harps these days and Anita can cover for Perch and Simpson.

    I do expect us to sign a couple of attacking players and I think that is the clear area of weakness for us. I’m not quite sure who is our 2nd choice right back either but we have Saylor, Anita and Tav who can play there I guess.

  • 185 kt97toonarmy // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM


    I think bent will need to drop his wages or he will rot at villa. Nd if he wants a world cup spot he needs to play football

  • 186 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM


    Just speculating under the (perhaps false) assumption that players would still rather play for us than Fulham, and would be willing to take a pay cut to play for us if need be.

    In World Cup year I would assume he will try and force a move regardless of what he’s paid…footballers want to play football don’t they? Haha

  • 187 Toon_Tom // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    KT97 – I dont think Cabaye will be here next season. Offers will start coming in – pardew has covered his ass by saying recently that he doesnt want him to leave so that when he does Pardew can play the victim.

    Cashley will cash in im sure

  • 188 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    Wonga wouldn’t give way on the number 9 shirt, or the main source of our goals, and therefore one of the focal points for media cameras. So I’d say the only possible resolution is to bring a top goalscorer or 2 in give him the 9 shirt and allow Cisse to disappear into the background in a SBR foundation shirt.

  • 189 Rooster // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    Some win foe the mackems beating spurs 3-1 friendly or not, di canio has got them right up for it.

    Watchin our game last night we looked tense and anxious with no cohesion at all, not a thing to get excited about in 90 mins, there were no players on our team looking to get past one of theirs, something is still not right at SJP

    Get out and get some frigan signings over the line and stop the bulls.ite.

  • 190 kt97toonarmy // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    U never know tho

  • 191 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:27 PM


    M’biwa, Sissoko, Debuchy, Haidara and Gouffran count as part of our squad from last season! They played for 5 months!

    But by all means, play one of our most technical CMs as second choice RB…

  • 192 WWYCD // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    He clearly disagrees if hes not willing to drop his wages for Fulham, lets face it we are no better than them and he’ll get no more playing time with us than he would with them

  • 193 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    I think most are agreed that Bent would in an ideal world, be a backup. So, if Cisse stays, Remy and/or Gomis come in, why would Bent take a paycut to sit on our bench when he can pick up more cash at Villa while sitting on the bench.?

  • 194 WWYCD // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Footballers do mate but Bent meeting that criteria is questionable imo

    Far as am concerned Villa can keep him if we can get Gomis and Remy

  • 195 Jamseyd24 // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    TDS, I agree are squad excluding forwards is better than last year. But I really fear for us if we dont get a few strickers in soon. Are you confident we will get anyone of any great value? can you picture going to City with shola up front?

  • 196 Toon Avenger // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Down Sarf

    You really are a pig headed moron.

    Our squad is weaker because everyone else has strengthened this Summer. By standing still we go backwards.

    Add to that the conflict in the club, the fact that we are still short on numbers and the a large slice of experience has gone and you can safely say we are weaker than last season.

    Oh and as for taking the pee out of Cisse’s religion obviously my intellectual humour is on a lane higher to you own as I was taking the pee out of people with opinions of things they know nothing about that can preach morality to a individual they do not know.

    Got back to the hole you crawled out of you dunce.

  • 197 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM


    I’d be very surprised if we bring in Gomis and Remy, maybe one or the other, but if both come through I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

    For the right price and wages though, I’d be happy to have Bent in our squad.

  • 198 Jamseyd24 // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Ruddy, If we get either one of the 2 I will be happy. one of those 2 keep Cisse and get Bent as back up. would you be happy with that?

  • 199 LooneyToon41 // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    @191 Ruddy. Possibly, but all of those players (except Debuchy) were earmarked as Summer 2013 signings.
    @197 though… yep i agree. Legal stuff left behind etc, Remy,Gomis … i’d be happy.
    There is this ongoing issue of wages though….Remy £100k, Bent £90k………i don’t think we can afford those kind of wages, if if we can, how will Cabaye,Benny,Debuchy feel etc

  • 200 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:38 PM


    Well if we had Cisse, Gomis/Remy with Bent back up then I’d be more than happy with that, but I can’t see the club shelling out to have that many options up front, especially since Pards seems intent on playing one striker up front.

    Will Ashley want two pretty good strikers sitting on the bench? I can’t see it.

  • 201 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:39 PM


    Gouffran and Sissoko were ear marked as summer signings, not the others. Don’t fall into that trap, that’s what the club want you to believe.

  • 202 LooneyToon41 // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Just a reminder to all that Ed posted only this week about avoiding personal abuse,religion,politics on the blog!
    Either we sign up for that, or we go elsewhere was the message!
    It’s up to us all to police that message……. imo.

    Now, i’ll run and hide! ;-)

  • 203 brian kilclines pony tail // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    @Lilongwe – no, but people are people and that will never change, so it is up to the club to manage the expectations of the fans and to communicate when problems arise, but they don’t.

    It happens that often its as if they plan it this way.

    the club has a lot to explain and until they start managing situations better this will continue.

    At present there is a lack of trust between fans and the board/owner for many reasons, between fans and the players over performances and commitment, a lack of fans confidence in the managers coaching and tactical ability. there is friction between management and board (kinnear), there is friction on transfer targets which has caused a lack of activity, there are issues between a key player and the board.

    NUFC at present do not look like a happy ship to be part of. it’s no wonder fans are in a ‘batten down the hatches’ frame of mind and this is being shown by ‘well if he dosnt want to play for us, get rid’ attitude towards cisse.

  • 204 LooneyToon41 // Jul 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    Fair enough. On a positive note, we DID bid £10m for Remy in January, so we know the cash is there to spend.

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