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Striker Looking Great In Training – Big Player For Newcastle

12:03 am, Monday, July 29th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 94 Comments

Newcastle United manager Alan Pardew has indicated that Newcastle striker Papiss Cisse has been back in training over the last couple of days, and Pardew has been surprised at how sharp Cisse has looked.

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Papiss Cisse - will play at last 45 minutes on Tuesday

On Thursday Cisse finally reached an agreement with Newcastle and Wonga to wear the Wonga insignia on his shirt and on his training gear this season.

And Alan Pardew has told Sky Sports News that Cisse looks to be in fine fettle:

“It’s unusual but nice to be able to talk about Papiss as a footballer, after all that has gone on, and I must say the two days’ training he has put in has surprised me.”

“He has looked in really good fettle, and he will have half a game, at least, at St Mirren on Tuesday night.” ” I am pleased it has all been sorted out, and we will bond round him now and support him.”

“We will try and get the best out of him, because he is an important player for us.” “It was a taxing situation for him but he is fine. We are a resilient bunch, in football. You have to bounce back in our world, or you’ll be in trouble.”

Papiss can play a big role for us this coming season, and I fully expect him to kick on and make a positive contribution.”

Newcastle had a good 1-0 win at Bloomfield Road on Sunday afternoon.with that other striker Shola Ameobi scoring the winner and the Nigerian International’s third goal in pre-season.

It will be great to have Cisse playing again for Newcastle, and we’re sure the Newcastle fans will give him their full support in the coming campaign, because he’s a big player for the team, and he scores those great goals.

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  • 1 The Arizona Geordie Pizzicato // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    There’s an unknown person spotted on the training ground. Mark Douglas saw him and he didn’t realize who that was nor we linked to this person previously, so he came up and asked who he was. That guy just said with a strong French accent, “look, I know you guys are trying to sign Remy and Gomis. Actually, if you sign me, you guy will get both Remy and Gomis in combo, and you got twice speed and twice scoring ability in me!” Mark was very curious, “Who are you lad?” That guy replied, “I am Remi Gomis.”

  • 2 t00ntime // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:15 AM

    1) We are willing to bid higher for Gomis then Remy this summer because Remy might be going to jail, so any money bid has more or less a 50/50 chance of going down the drain. Thats why we wat a loan and will pay the money in January if he is innocent

    2) We dont know how much we bid for Pea or whether he was actually a target this summer. A french newspaper did say that ST ettiene rejected bigger bids from other clubs because when dortmund came in, Pea wanted to move their so the club fulfilled his wish and accepted a lower offer.
    Seen so no clubs were named we dont know if we were one with a higher bid or if we even bid at all.

    3) Why is Gomis taking long? Because paying 12million euros for a player who is free in 12months and has an average goal ratio is insane. MA will wait till January or even next year if he has too. They will get desperate and whether we get him or not they will not get 10million from anyone for him. If Lyon wont lower their price we will move on and try harder for remy or even go back to bent.

    I think we are very slow with transfers and it can be annoying but I totally agree with not paying 12mil for Gomis and loaning Remy

  • 3 jimmysmith // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    I agree, it should be a thoughtful game of brinkmanship, but we have erred on the side of caution in the past and missed out and seem now to be somewhat cornered and pigeon holed and lets face it, Pards, Kinnear et al are run of the mill, so don’t really expect us to maneuver ourselves out of this terribly nimbly or well. Still clinging to the glimmer of hope that I’m wrong though, sigh!

  • 4 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    Just don’t ever stick him right wing again Pardew okay, and I mean ever.

  • 5 potski // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    What’s this slowest club stuff? You missed the on-going saga about Rooney and Fabregas. Plus Real apparently only just made bid for Bale. What on earth they thinking about, the window has been open weeks. Surely all DOF’s haven’t been on holiday?

    If it was so straightforward then there wouldn’t be so much business done on the last day of the window.

  • 6 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    Uncertain,

    I think I have a weeks patience left in me then I’ll start to really worry about it.

    That would give us two weeks left before the start of the season.

    The sheer tightness of the purse strings is the same every window right down to the last cent.

    We have been here all to often and have had terrible seasons because we have missed out on players before.

    Players are crying out to come here, hell, they even go on strikes and throw tantrums with their own chairman.

    It’s like we are some seedy set-up when it comes to signing players at times.

    Ben Arfa, Debuchy, Gomis.

    I can’t think of any other regime who behave like it.

    Mike just likes us to bend them over the barrel until they submit their souls. Have a bit of class man for once.

  • 7 Munster Mag // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:35 AM

    Well Toontime, if the players are that problematic to sign, maybe we should look elsewhere? I wonder if we had gone in for , say Bony, would it have taken us about 2 weeks of Mike Ashley brinkmanship to get near sorting a deal, whereas Swansea just seemed to do the business fast. Its all about fair deals, and NUFC just cant seem to see that. Thus, we ballsed around for months and months trying to say 1 mill for Debuchy. Now i dont see that Debuchy is a good defender, but the 1 mill saved is worth absotutely nothing to NUFC , in the greater scheme of things. I have written about our transfer strategy on here before, in terms of the three different tactics we have. I’m off to bed and too lazy to repeat it, but it still stands up 100% to scrutiny. . And i wish MA would change it !!

  • 8 Munster Mag // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    I know Prodigy, its embarrassing. Sometimes you just have to say “fair price” on a player, and go for it. At the level of 5-8mill, our negotiations seems to be one massive game of brinkmanship , compared to other clubs. I wonder what sort of reputation we are building – probably as awkward, tight fisted knackers who try to get injured players on the cheap. This cant be good for us. And then we send in geezer pikey Kinnear ….Ashley clearly has issues of trust, and would employ the milkman in a senior capacity if he trusted him. Hence Kinnear getting two jobs at NUFC despite sickness and LLambias getting in too. Bonkres. Still I reckon we will get Gomis by mid week….you heard it here first …ITK !!! :)

  • 9 Uncertain Toon // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    Here’s one,

    Why did Campbell play for under 21′s the other night? Why didn’t he get a full 90 against Blackpool as you’d think it would be the sort of game they could use to establish if he needs to go out on loan or not. I just don’t get it, especially as they new cisse was going!
    If the toon mismanage his progress i’ll pop a rivet!

  • 10 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    Potski,

    How much time do they need like? What is sufficient?

    I’d expect multi million pound deals for the likes of Rooney, Bale etc be drawn out, there is alot of money involved compared to the 6-7-8 million Euro players we go for.

    It’s not as if there is a big que of Champions League clubs sniffing about our targets either.

    These should be bread and butter signings.

    It’s Newcastle that drags them out more often than not.

  • 11 Uncertain Toon // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    * cisse wasn’t going

  • 12 The Arizona Geordie Pizzicato // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:53 AM

    @Uncertain, Pardew doesn’t like non-hoofball players, which is Adam Campbell. If you remember, he was on the pitch last year and no one passed the ball to him.

  • 13 t00ntime // Jul 29, 2013 at 12:53 AM

    Nobody is even sure Gomis wants to come here. English papers say Newcastle, most French papers say Marseille. I’m not saying I always agree with MA’s transfer buisness cause like with Debuchy I didnt get why MA was been a prick about it. But I fully agree with not paying 12mil for Gomis. Didnt Bony+aub go for that price, Mario Gomez was cheaper, Tevez was cheaper etc. Lyon have put a crazy price tag on him cause they need money. Which means they will become increasingly desprate to get rid. No club will pay 12mil for him, and Lyon will lower their price whether for us or for marseille or someone else.

  • 14 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 29, 2013 at 1:04 AM

    Munster,

    Makes you cringe man dosn’t it..

    Just spend the lot and give us a good chance next season is all I say. What we got to lose? Nout.

    We will get more money next season.

    How long did it take Swansea to snap up Bony though? Days? How long they been in the Premier? What about West Ham? Just promoted haha. Can’t believe Swansea has won a cup *sigh*

    Just shows you how far “actual planning” goes and ambition.

    We are being shown up goodstyle.

    Im not exactly panicking as yet, but howay, at least give us a decent chance next season Mike.

  • 15 Uncertain Toon // Jul 29, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    Munster Mag @8 makes a very relevant point.
    It is quite possible teams will just refuse to deal with us period(I’m not American!) when it’s in the public domain how we do business. I imagine it’s a pretty hectic time for the people doing the negotiations and they don’t want to be wasting manhours thrashing out deals with us when they’ve got other players or targets they need to sort out.
    The policy seems so restrictive any way you look at it! If he waits till January to save a few beans we could be in the poop by then!
    I thought we got named as bidding for Pea and more than Dortmund paid or is that bollox as well?
    When we bought Obertan I can imagine Manure saying ’3 million and if you start you’re penny pinching pish we’ll see him to Sunderland for a fiver’! Think we got done a kipper there!
    Well, getting fed up with this like! Drive you to drink(a lot more!)

  • 16 Joe Blog // Jul 29, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    You gave him the no9 Pardew, use him accordingly.

  • 17 89Norcal // Jul 29, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    Pards thinked he looked good in training?

    Well now that we know his sessions aren’t exactly challenging, I’m not sure how much stock I want to put into that!

  • 18 Uncertain Toon // Jul 29, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    Arizona,

    Aye, noticed that when Campbell was on the pitch, but I thought it was because all they could see was a blur! He was too quick, they just couldn’t suss out where he was! Honestly though, it looked like he didn’t fit with the style of play at all.

  • 19 count // Jul 29, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    Prodigy. – moan moan moan

  • 20 potski // Jul 29, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    Hardly “bread and butter” signings. We want players who:

    - are internationals and if not played in EPL then have played in Europe with their current club
    - are willing to go to a club which isn’t currently in Europe, and is unlikely to be a regular in CL nor win any domestic honours during the next 5 years, in other words for most during the peak of their careers

    And all of these players will have a number of potential clubs interested in them.

    Lastly, clubs might not want to sell. Wasn’t the problem last year with Debuchy not just over money, but his club wanted to have brought in a replacement first. So you then get in a chain of players.

  • 21 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 29, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    Count,

    I do try not to.

    But sometimes I’v got absolutely no problem doing so.

    Frustration more than anything else.

    Cheers, all the same.

  • 22 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 29, 2013 at 1:51 AM

    Lads, Iv ran out of time. Got to get back to work.

    End of the day you have your opinions, I have mine. And that is all they are.

    For a club like Newcastle these are bread and butter signings. Well they should be anyway.

    One wants to come, he wants Premier League football.

    The other is in the championship with a world cup coming up next year, aswell as having a reletively cheap release clause.

    We can afford both no problem. I don’t doubt that for a second.

    I applaud your patients, but me personally, im sick of it.

    I think we should be ran alot better than at current.

    If you think different, that is entirely your prerogative.

    Goodnight all.

  • 23 potski // Jul 29, 2013 at 2:15 AM

    I thought Gomis was quoted as wanting to go to Marseilles. Remy has a rape allegation hanging over him.

    Both want to play at the highest level to get themselves into the World Cup squad. Like PEA neither will be interested if a team playing in CL came in for them.

  • 24 reccerobbo // Jul 29, 2013 at 2:22 AM

    Cisse looking sharp in training I can see the headlines all ready cisse like a new signing as we haven’t used him in ore season yet.

  • 25 RonVanDam // Jul 29, 2013 at 3:26 AM

    @13 t00ntime

    Eventhough Tevez and Mario Gomez were sold for cheap, they demanded high wages.

    Tevez is getting 6.7m at Juventus which equates to 129k per week. M Gomez earns 10m per year so you get the picture.

    Once you match the asking price of the player, you then get to discuss personal terms with the player and agent. Even if we matched Citys asking price of 9m for Tevez, there was no way Tevez would’ve taken a pay cut from 200k a week to 50-80k under MA’s pay structure. Plus Juventus had the lure of CL so he could still play at the highest level and keep his value stable.

  • 26 The Arizona Geordie Pizzicato // Jul 29, 2013 at 3:31 AM

    @RVD, well said. Let’s say we sign Tevez for 10m, but we have to break the wage structure we have set up, that doesn’t work. That lowers the morale of the whole team too.

  • 27 89Norcal // Jul 29, 2013 at 3:36 AM

    @RVD – wise to point that out

    @reccerobbo
    Excuse me man, did you say “A” new signing, as in 1? Have you not seen Shola banging them in lately? Then after you consider Raylor it’s like 3 new signings.

    If you ask me that’s done and done. Time to go back on vacation :)

  • 28 RonVanDam // Jul 29, 2013 at 3:59 AM

    I can see Cisse getting 15-20 goals in the upcoming season. This all depends if Pardew gets his tactics right.

    If i can recall last season (which i dont want to), for the 1st 10 games were were playing 4-4-2. Thats just like giving your play book to the opposition a week in advance

    This year i want to see something different from our manager. I want Pards, to do his homework/research, know the opposition and the possible formation and combination of players to play.

    I want to see more attacking game, set plays, a lot of goals, rushing defence, suffocation defence, more possession, less injuries, packed stadiums

  • 29 lesh // Jul 29, 2013 at 4:35 AM

    The Arizona Geordie Pizzicat

    Don’t rule out us signing Remi Gomis, anything’s possible – especially with Kinnear on the case!

  • 30 reccerobbo // Jul 29, 2013 at 4:43 AM

    @89norcal fair point 3 new signings 2 full internationals as well can’t complain can we ha ha

  • 31 RonVanDam // Jul 29, 2013 at 4:54 AM

    @ lesh

    Im keeping my expectations very low so if we do sign someone, ill be doing jumping jacks and cartwheels

    Less then 3 weeks and we still haven’t signed anyone.

    We have about 14 top players from 25 and rest are average. Looks like MA is waiting for 1-2 average players to setup this season to become first team player(s) so the overall value of the team increases with players competing for spots and deadwood gets cleared in Jan and next summer before investing further since we are not in Europa and there isnt much expectation on us this year compared to last where we had to live up to our expectations of finishing 5th. I think we are Malaga of the EPL :)

  • 32 The Arizona Geordie Pizzicato // Jul 29, 2013 at 4:58 AM

    @Lesh, if it’s Joe, now those would be:

    Loser Rummy
    Buffet Tummy Gnome

  • 33 RonVanDam // Jul 29, 2013 at 5:18 AM

    ***less than 3 weeks before the season kicks off and we still havent signed anyone

  • 34 nut meg // Jul 29, 2013 at 5:29 AM

    RVD
    Joe still in a coma ?

  • 35 Do the shaka hislop // Jul 29, 2013 at 5:54 AM

    Aulas is just holding out for a boxful of lonsdale’s to sweeten the deal… howay ashley get ya finger out mate lol

    in all seriousness I really do think that this season could be a potential success, my three biggest asks were

    Manager (stuck with parsnip so im behind him for now, noose at the ready)

    A new fitness regime (tick well done boys)

    Strikers/wingers (still quietly confident)

    Gomis brings so much more than just goals his hold up play and link up play is far superior to owt we have at the moment so can only be a good thing.

    Remy would be awesome but there must be a serious chance he’s going to the slammer or people would have already been lodging bids.

  • 36 p // Jul 29, 2013 at 5:55 AM

    What you on aboot rvd, we got kemen, the new alex song

    We are heading for the cl especially with shola in his rich vein of form

  • 37 SeanNufc87 // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:01 AM

    Give shola the number 9!

  • 38 IITianToon // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:08 AM

    Tottenham have agreed to pay the release clause of Roberto Soldado and will complete a €30 million deal for the Valencia striker this week.

    Spurs’ sporting director Franco Baldini was in Valencia last week to discuss a move for the 28-year-old forward, but the Londoners saw a bid of €26m plus add-ons turned down by the Liga outfit.

    Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy had hoped to sign the striker for less than his €30m clause, but Spurs moved quickly as late interest from Liverpool emerged and Baldini agreed a deal via telephone with Valencia president Amadeo Salvo on Saturday.

    THATS HOW IT IS DONE..

  • 39 89Norcal // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:14 AM

    @reccerobbo
    Simple as!

    @IITianToon
    You mean we’re not supposed to be apathetic and misleading tightwads? Sorry man you’ve lost me :)

  • 40 IITianToon // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:17 AM

    @89Norcla
    I just have a bad feeling that some other club will come at the last minute, offer 11m and take gomis away..

  • 41 89Norcal // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:22 AM

    IITianToon
    I think that fear is legitimate. Not an expert in transfer dealings but IMO we should be stocking money saved from the likes of Cabaye, Ba, Tiote, etc for times like this where the target and valuation are more publicized. Can’t be expecting a jaw-dropping deal on a popular target.

  • 42 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:29 AM

    Sigh!

    If we had gone for Boney almost two years ago when i watched him in a local derby here, ( NEC Nijmegen vs Vitesse Arnhem ), we could of had Boney for 2,5 Mil Euro,s !

    This was about 6 months after Vitesse had signed him for peanuts from a second division German club !
    We could of got Van Wolfwinkel from Utrecht for much less than the fee paid by Norwich to Lissabon ? Does anyone see a pattern here?

    This said, i can still remember how Alves flopped for the Boro when he came to the Prem from SV Herenveen a few years back.
    Alves is still remembered here for scoring 6 goals in one game, but flopped abyssmally after signing for Middlesborough.

    We are still the only team in the Prem who hav,nt done Diddly Squat on the Transfer Front, i,m not fussed yet? But we are cutting it a bit fine with the seasons start looming !

  • 43 nut meg // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:30 AM

    If Pardew insists on using the same style of play as last season,IMHO we will be in a dog fight all season.I hope he has learned big time from the absolutely shambolic way he had the team playing last time around.We will discover his mind set over the next couple of weeks when we play the remaining friendly games.We cannot keep putting ourselves on the back foot by trying to defend 35 yards from our goal then booting it 50 yards up field cos it’s guaranteed to come straight back at you .We put ourselves in a Alamo situation & we all know what that means.I really think we should push further up the pitch & pressure the opposition a lot more than we have been doing.IMHO we have the players to pass our way forward from defense to MF but we are short of the quality man to link up with forward players.Cabs can but we need another who can also threaten the goal & create.We will see whats in store for the faithful when the first home game comes around but i’ll not hold my breath.I can only watch from afar on tv,but I WANT TO SEE SJP BOUNCING so c’mon Pards give these magnificent mag fans a playing style to be proud of……we can do it !

  • 44 RonVanDam // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:32 AM

    @ 34 nut meg

    I bet he wished he was lol

    We are moving at snails pace. I wonder if we are going to strengthen any other position apart from attack since we leaked 67 goals last season :)

  • 45 bills-son // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:42 AM

    Newexpat @ 42

    Every other club missed out on buying the players you mention – so how come you pick on us as the donkeys?

  • 46 bills-son // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:48 AM

    We need a couple of forwards but we also desperately need at least one full back who can defend and a CD who has pace, strength and height.

    The thought of facing City with a back four of Debuchy, Mbiwa, Colo and Santon fills me with dread no matter who we have playing ahead of them.

    Our current defence is a bottom 8 one and it doesn’t matter how Pardew lays the team out we are in danger of getting some 5,6 and 7 scorelines again this season. Good teams are built on a solid defence and we dont have one – simple as.

  • 47 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:48 AM

    Yes IITian…that is how you get taken to the cleaners ;-) lol

    ….a prime examble

    So ppl want Gomis whatever the prize? You rate him that high or are you lot just desperate?

  • 48 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 29, 2013 at 6:57 AM

    Bills…that defense you just outlined is one anyone would be proud to have!

    …the best defense is a good offense my friend! It preoccupies the opposition and it takes heat of our defense.

  • 49 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:01 AM

    @45:

    I,m not picking anyone out for Donkey,s!

    EEUUUUW AUUWWW!

    But i want us to act a lot quicker, when it comes to scouting, spotting Talent in other leagues?
    Not sure if Carr was with 2,5 years ago but iwas on here screaming about Boney and RvW years back when we could of got them for next to nowt in a figure of speaking !

    As for Gomis, ok, good player, but we need to be smarter in our Transfer dealings, Lyon are in dire finacial trouble and need to off-load at least two or three players to balance their books?

    There is and are good players out there who we could sign for a lot less trouble and drama, the trick is getting the scouting team out to go and find them!
    We appear to be getting screwed every time we try and sign anyone ?

  • 50 nut meg // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:02 AM

    Jesper @ 48
    I agree,we make ourselves look bad by defending 35 yards from our goal……….oooohhhhhh enough already !

  • 51 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:11 AM

    Nut…was that a pond or do you agree? :-)

  • 52 check the toastie // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:11 AM

    Bills – All our defenders are internationals, they should be fine. If we continue to just loaf the ball forward and retreat to our 18 yard box as a defensive tactic then yes we will be under pressure. Santon is young and is learning, you need to cut him some slack, he is a superb footballer.

    Debuchy is an attacking full back and a DCM should fill his slot when he goes forward, Anita would do this best as its been a long time since Tiote played well. The problem doesn’t lay with the players its the stupid tactics of the manager that puts us under pressure.

  • 53 cyprus // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:12 AM

    Billson,
    “The thought of facing City with a back four of Debuchy, Mbiwa, Colo and Santon fills me with dread no matter who we have playing ahead of them.”

    I dread if that is NOT the back four and AP together with JK pick Saylor ahead of one of those. Now that’s where our problem lies, he hasn’t progressed as had been expected.

    The back four you mentioned has not been allowed to gel for various reasons (e.g. Colo out etc.). If they learn how to play, together with Haidara, they will be formidable. In fact, I can’t remember a ‘safer’ back four at NUFC!

  • 54 bills-son // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:15 AM

    Jesper,

    It isn’t a defence any team would be proud to have.

    If our defenders were that good the big teams would be sniffing around them. Plus, Santon for all his foraging forward doesn’t score and his assist stats are almost non existent.

    There is no real pace, height or power in the defence I named and thst is asking for big trouble in the Prem. If we had the midfield and forwards we had in Keegan’s best team the argument of attack is the best form of defence has some substance – but we don’t.

    I hope I’m wrong but just as Tiote was sussed out last season by the oppo so will our weak full backs and iffy CD’s this season.

    Some of our players are vastly overrated imo.

  • 55 cyprus // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:15 AM

    On Cisse,
    I have a lot of faith – sorry for bringing in religion ;) in that dude. But he needs help to get his 30+ (yep) goals. Two wily superfast wingers should do the trick.

  • 56 bills-son // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    Check,

    I hope you are right but we’ll see what happens when the season kicks off.

    We had the best defence in the four divisions after 12 matches of our 5th finish season by playing two FBs, Simpson and Raylor who stuck to their positions, and two wide men, Guti and Oba, who gave the FBs plenty of protection.

    Debuchy and HBA on one side and Santon and perhaps Remy on the other might look exciting but those pairings are a disaster waiting to happen defensively.

  • 57 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    Bills…sadly I think you field any defense you want and we would still be under pressure with the way we play!

    …there is a reason why tactic and style is very important. We have a manager with no real style or philosophy and if that doesn’t change then we are in for a repeatition of last season I think.

    I remember the season where we finished 5th and both Raylor, Willo and Colo where all linked with big moved away from Newcastle. Raylor where even linked with Liverpool.

    The main differences between that peticular defence and our current on is goals. It wasn’t better it is actually worse, but for some reason we kept the ball out of our goal that season and Ba and later Cisse were scooring goals for fun.

    …last season we were not really scoring goals at all!

  • 58 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:42 AM

    Bills,
    I think you have that part right. While all of those 4 defenders are good players, and full internationals with decent national teams (albeit a while since Santon played) they don’t seem a complete defence. Particularly in the centre, we lack any sort f commanding physical presence. While MYM may grow in to a commanding centre half, he didn’t show me anything to think he could last season, and he doesn’t have a physical presence. Taylor isn’t the answer there either.

    AS for the full backs, both like to get forward, I agree that for all Santons attacking ability that is stated on here, he creates very little, and when he has shot, it has regularly been off target, or straight at a defender. Still, I think they are decent full backs and are more then comfortable with them there. What we need to do is have them working together, so, if one goes, the other stays deep, and Anita/Tiote/Sissoko/Guti (whoever is the more defensive minded midfielder) covers that role. I see Anita and Guti as best suited to covering.

    As you say with HBA on the right and Goofy/Remy(?) on the left, then with Sissoko, Anita and Cabaye in the centre we should have enough to cover the full back that pushes on.

  • 59 nut meg // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:43 AM

    Jesper @ 51
    I fully agree with you.I’m just getting fed up repeating myself lol

  • 60 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:43 AM

    Our biggest problem defensively last season was our inability to retain possession. They can’t score or attack whilst we have the ball. However, we haven’t seen a new coach come in who can work on that, so whether we will improve on that who knows.

  • 61 bills-son // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:47 AM

    Jesper,

    The same manager was in charge both seasons.

    Ba and Cisse didn’t play together in those first 12 games and neither did HBA.

    The root of the change in formation set in when HBA replaced Oba and Santon replaced Raylor. Both are far better players but the team was weakened on the flanks defensively. Cisse’s spectacular goals overshadowed what many fans on here were commenting on – that we were fortunate ro win games at the end of the 5th season where we had the minority of the possession.

    Cisse’s spectacular goals were never going to last and last season our frailties as a defending team from front to back were exposed big time.

    I’ll keep saying, we lack height, power, pace and defensive strength in the squad which is over weighed with good technical players who nevertheless lack the aforementioned qualities that are absolutely necessary in a Premiership squad.

  • 62 MonkseatonMag // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    Importantly, we also lack a leader on the pitch.

  • 63 IITianToon // Jul 29, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    Pardew’s plan A:
    Elliott
    Debuchy–Colo–Mbiwa–Santon
    HBA–Cabaye–Tiote–Jonas
    Cisse–Gouffran

    plan B
    Elliott
    Debuchy–Colo–Mbiwa–Santon
    Cabaye–Tiote
    Sissoko–HBA–Gouffran
    Cisse

    Forever on bench: Marv, Anita, Campbell, Vuckic

  • 64 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Bills…it wasn’t pretty neither seasons mate!

    One or two major differences if you ask me was consistency in our performance (though is wasn’t pretty) and consistency in our tactics (though it was only really effective when we played 4-3-3)

    You can get a long way with consistency and confidence. Last season was a case of the opposite and a case of Hubris. You know what they say about arrogance being confidence’s evil twin!

    What do you think we are in for this season looking back at both a 5th finish from the top and a 5th finish from the bottom?

  • 65 RonVanDam // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:03 AM

    If we cant get wingers, our RB and LB should cut into the field early rather then going to the end of the park and crossing, this is where most of balls gets wasted.

  • 66 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    RVD,
    I disagree. If we can’t get wingers it is our full backs who we will have to rely on to provide the width. Debuchy can do it on the right without any worries, but Santon always wants to cut in when he can. We need to stretch the opposition defence to create gaps to play balls in to Cisse/Goofy/Campbell/[Insert Name Here].

  • 67 yorkymag // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    I do think it is fun to guess the team but ,there will be some unexpected changes in the next few weeks that is for sure ,that will impact on the Lin up
    But the real key for me is not the defence it’s what happens just in front of the back 4
    Sissoko is vital IMO to play in his proper defensive mid position alongside a creative ball player ,probably Anita as cabayne will be
    somewhere else .
    Hopefully Tiotie has realised he is in need of a massive season afte his simply awful campaign last year so we have the option of a 5man midfield away from home
    Then you will see that the back 4 are pretty decent

  • 68 HullMag6 // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    Gomis/Remy – Ba and lover replacements ?
    Bent – Strolla replacement (possibly not)

    Better late than never chaps ffs.

  • 69 cestriasteve // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    Great posts as always from Lilongwe, Bills and Cyprus. I reckon if we crack the FB roles in the team then we will perform much better. It the covering as mentioned by Lilongwe where the problem lies.
    Bills makes an interesting comment though when we had FB who were much more defensive we finished fifth, you cant ague with that!!

  • 70 cestriasteve // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    YorkMag I agree Sissoko is vital but he is not a defensive midfielder, Pardews problem remain what do we do with him. Torq watched him loads when he was at Toulouse and said he was best as a box to box man, so where does that fit in the formation of things.

    Lilongwe any chance you could shed some light, your good at the formation stuff??

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  • 72 MonkseatonMag // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    RVD @65

    Totally agree – someone needs to supply the bullets!

  • 73 nut meg // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:18 AM

    Lilo
    I dread to think what in store for us if we use a out of form Tiote in that defensive mid field position like Pardew done last year.If he gets back to form & keeps it simple we may be ok. The problem I have with Tiote is that I simply cannot trust him,he gives stupid free kicks away,gives the ball away too easy & puts himself & the team in serious trouble where as Anita is a far more disciplined & reliable passer of the ball with movement to receive it back.This way we retain the ball much better than we have been. I have the defense & the mid field the same as you .The forwards I’ll not even try because I don’t know if we’ll get anyone in but IMHO we still need a link player between MF & the forwards who will also threaten the goal.Do you have anybody in mind now that SDJ is saying he’s staying at Ajax? I do think we can do ok IF the manager sees the light !

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  • 75 yorkymag // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    Cest
    I agree he is box to box but much prefers to sit back and go on the break ,a modern day Viera but nevertheless more effective sitting deep in the midfield formation protecting the back 4
    What is for certain he ain’t a right winger!!!

  • 76 bills-son // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:22 AM

    Jesper,

    If we dont address the defensive deficiencies in the squad – and by that I mean from front to back – I think mid table ie., 12th might be the best we can do.

    If we only add strikers and Pardew doesn’t work out how to defend as a team I think we could see a few heavy defeats again. If you think about it if Gomis and Remy arrive we will almost he playing the equivalent of a top 4/6 French team in the Prem.

    If Pardew susses how to defend as a team we might finish 7/8th. Imo thats the best we can hope for.

  • 77 IITianToon // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    If I were Pardew, I would give every player a sheet of paper, and ask them to write down their preferred formation and position on the pitch..

  • 78 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    Cest…I connot see how you can make the conclusion that we finished 5th because we had defensive fullbacks?

  • 79 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    Cestria,
    Cheers, for me we have three midfielders who are all comfortable on the ball, can do the defensive duties, can go forward, create and score. Those three are Cabaye, Anita and Sissoko. In games against teams outside of last seasons top 5, that is the midfield I would want. I would say Anita would be more defensive, as I think he is the best for covering full backs, and Cabaye more attacking, but I wouldn’t want them pigeon holed. Each can do the others job which allows for a very technical and fluid midfield that should be capable of working as a unit to control play.

    Against the big clubs, say Man U, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs with Bale, I’d bring Tiote in, probably for Anita and have Tiote sitting, just doing the simple stuff he did so well the season before last. With Sissoko dropping in with him when we lose possession, but driving on to help Cabaye when we have the ball.

    I’d say that Sissoko will develop into a poor mans Yaya (but still a good player in his own right) in terms of being able to carry the ball forward and position.

  • 80 cestriasteve // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    Yorkmag, cant remember which game it was but I remember me and our kid looking at each other before the kick off in Level 7 and saying..

    “is that Sissoko on the RW….., cant be……. FFS it is !! WTF is Pardew thinking about??? LOL

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  • 82 Rotonda heights // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    Was kidding myself I would wake up to some encouraging headlines!! When will I learn?

    We have a D.O.F who so far has secured nobody, despite some people trying to justify his appointment that as a ”football” man he would speed up transfers more than Llambias. Lol !!! The only possible signing is looking more and more like a washed up thug from down the road.

    We have a manager who will play Saylor over M’Biwa, Tiote over Anita and Jonas over Marveaux and who even has the players publically stating his training sessions are a joke.

    And finally an owner who won’t sell because no one can meet the asking price. Every day is Groundhog day as an NUFC fan.

  • 83 MonkseatonMag // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    @79

    The achille’s heel to this is Pardew – who unfortunately does not play to our strength (ie midfield)

  • 84 Hatem's better than Messi // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    Even if we sign these strikers we still have Pardew.

    His formations, tactics and team selections will always be a problem.
    You can´t play 442 without two excellent wingers.
    We don´t have any.

  • 85 cestriasteve // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    lilongwe, you reckon Anita will get a chance in there? especially as AP has a love affair with Tiote, I think your right.

    Wasnt Anita voted Ajax player of the year before he joined us albeit as a left back.

  • 86 RonVanDam // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    @66 Lilongwe Geordie

    Its up to pardew to sort that out. He’s the one who needs to come up with the plays in the training ground (i think this will fall in the catergory of “set pieces” which he was very sucessful last season lol), get players to find gaps to get into crossing or scoring positions.

    Players need to think of themselves of possible situations the will get into and solutions. 3 players that i can think of who create chances are: Yanga Mbiwa, Colo and Arfa and maybe Cabs.

    If Santon cuts in too often then midfielders need t be calling for the call

  • 87 yorkymag // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    Rotunda
    Cheer up
    This is the week
    We will get some new faces in
    I personally would rather have Bent than gomis
    A proven premier league striker or an average untried French forward
    Bent everyday for me

  • 88 nut meg // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:33 AM

    Lilo @79
    You’ve described the MF exactly the way I see it.The three of them could all swap positions if need be.Anita is my preferred choice as the sitting DMF because he’s played all those positions at Ajax,i think it could be an exciting time ahead.

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  • 90 Ben3arfa // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    The greediest billionarie in the world appoints the biggest joke of a man as a director of football and here we are like a bunch of morons expecting transfers to happen.

    Who the hell are we kidding ..

    To hell with Ashley and Kinnear

  • 91 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    Nutmeg,
    I think you are being unfair on Tiote, I’ve said it numerous times, but even last year when he was poor, he still had (from memory) a pass completion of around 85%. Only Bigi was better in midfield. Anita had a poorer pass success rate. And while Tiote picks up plenty of yellows, Cabaye received more than him last year.

    His problem was that when he did give it away, it was generally in a dangerous position and led to a chance or a goal. Therefore highlighted more. However, that will generally be the case when you play a more defensive role.

    As for the link player, SDJ for me was always a non starter. I couldn’t see him leaving Ajax to join s after our season last year. Maybe if we do well his season then there could be something. I think that IF we were to get Remy, then a trio of Remy, Cisse and HBA should provide enough goal threat with Cabaye and Sissoko chipping in with a few, and this season the defence needs to contribute as well. HBA is my main worry there, as I don’t feel his final product is actually that good. Immensely talented, but lacks the intelligence to release the ball, and the composure to do it simply when given a shooting opportunity

    If I had to pick up a link man with goal threat I’d want Powell from Man Utd. Young, British, talented, would join a club like us to breakthrough, wouldn’t cost the earth. Isn’t the best in the world, but is realistic, which is what I look at, rather then the fantasy players.

  • 92 Markaccus // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:40 AM

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  • 93 blew // Jul 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    Last summer one player was brought in – Anita.
    When things went wrong, panic, 5 players brought in
    during January.
    I have a feeling similar events will happen this time
    round. One maybe two in this summer and see how it goes, panic in January if all is not well.

  • 94 Scouse_geordie // Jul 29, 2013 at 9:19 AM

    We can’t play with 1 up front. Especially if its cisse. He is a great finisher but lacks the movement required for a lone striker. Although him and ba didn’t link up well that’s why he scored so many as opposed to last year on his own.

    That then leaves us with the issue of who to drop from the mid as unless we play with 3 at the back we can only play 4.




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