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Newcastle Have Second Hit List Of Strikers Lined Up

10:59 pm, Sunday, August 4th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 114 Comments

There’s a decent video of Joe Kinnear speaking with Sky Tyne and Wear and the interview lasts over eight minutes and it’s on a cricket filed before Joe takes part in a charity cricket game.

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Joe Kinnear – decent interview

That’s been the big news on Sunday afternoon and it’s a decent interview in that Joe talks well and quite professionally about what Newcastle are doing in the transfer market.

It’s great for the fans to hear exactly what’s happening, and it even sounds good, but we still wish both Joe and Alan Pardew would keep quiet about the deals – until they are complete.

This is the bit right at the end, when Joe is asked how successful can Newcastle be next season:

“I think it took it’s toll and we had a tough season last season, no question about that , and injuries didn’t help things either.” “Maybe the squad wasn’t big and strong enough in certain areas.”

“I’ve sat down with Alan and we’ve gone through numerous things, irrespective of what everybody else is saying about it and the tricky stories that we don’t get on and this that and the other, you as well as I do that it’s a nonsense.

“We get on very well and we have the utmost respect for each other, he keeps in touch with me on a regular basis, and I keeps in touch with him on a regular basis

“I know it’s frustrating for anybody at the club at the moment going into the start of the season without having additional strikers but we are dong the very best we can and I can give people my word of honor if it’s not being these players that we may not be able to snatch and sign we would be signing somebody else.”

“That’s for sure, because we have a second hit list if these three players fall through”

Joe also said he wanted to get the strikers in first, and then he would go after a player to strengthen another part of the side.

Joe of course didn’t mention what the position was and who the targets may be, but that could be a winger like Blackpool’s Tom Ince,  or maybe a central midfielder like James McCarthy of Wigan.

Here’s the full interview and it’s definitely worth a look and listen.

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114 responses so far ↓

  • 1 AmeriToon // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    Having a cricket ball hit him in the family jewels is too good for kinnear

  • 2 aidytoon9 // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    Wow who is on the second hit list lol.

  • 3 Heslop Toon // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    It’s all very well saying you have a second list to fall back on. But it doesn’t seem like we can close any deal at the minute so why should our dealings involving players on the second list be any different?

  • 4 Lowesy // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Watched the Derby vs Blackburn game today, Will Hughes looked bloody decent, well worth the hype. Thought I’d bring that up. Would be nice to get him and Ince wouldn’t it? Also, always been a fan of Rhodes who just happened to be playing in the same game.

  • 5 Jail for Ashley // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    Being put in stocks with a mountain of EU surplus rotten vegetables and 52K Geordies is too good for Ashley.

  • 6 prashanth // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    LOL@Kinnear i thought he wanted to address specific areas on the pitch but he is redefining the positions themselves. He says we are looking for a top ‘Scriper’ and ‘a Sister’… man, opposition teams have no clue whats about to hit them this season. (watch interview between 5:10 and 5:40)

  • 7 Twatter // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    Repost from last thread…

    @Ruddy

    Gomis has scored 10+ goals consistently for the past seven seasons and he’s only decent? Many strikers would love a record like that.

    Tell me, what do you make of Wilfried Bony?

  • 8 AmeriToon // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:09 PM

    Unless cabaye or even tiote is leaving soon i dont understand why we spend so much money on a cm when that is the only part of the team that doesnt really need strengthening.
    Has anyone heard anything recently about us pursuing Zoet? He seems young and full of potential and alot better than Elliot who should only be third choice anyway

  • 9 prashanth // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:09 PM

    The VVV Venlo striker might be on the 2nd hitlist

  • 10 scottoon // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    I thought the present list was the second tier? We missed out on PEA so we turned to our second list. Seriously, is this man for real?

  • 11 stuart no9 // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    repost——
    NUFC FOR SALE @260 100% right . from being an ambitious club before ash took over, to being happy to be in the prem is all down to ashleys psychology in making the fans believe they are not worth more , by repeatedly giving excuses why signings now are so difficult to get ” over the line” when they are not . buying a player now is like watching coronation st,- always tuning in to see what happens next week – and the next – and the next. BUT his philosophy is working on a number of fans who have been sucked in by his greed and hatred for NUFC

  • 12 firebug666 // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    DL would have them all in now getting a pre – season under their belts. Joe Kinnear is a waste of space. All he is doing is talking, and playing cricket with his mates. I was never a fan of DL but at least he stayed on site and worked on his targets. Kinnear pi**ed of on holiday, now off playing cricket, and visits SJP occasionally to have a meeting with Pards over potential targets he won’t be getting. Paid for nowt.

  • 13 AmeriToon // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    @9 pranshath
    I like the vvv striker, I’ve only seen him on YouTube but he seems like he works hard to pressure the defense. He looks really strong and fast

  • 14 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    Twatter

    Can he do it in the PL? I don’t class Ligue 1 as a top league. Chamakh scored over 10 goals in the few seasons prior to signing for Arsenal, and he’s terrible.

    Bony looks very powerful, not overly quick but can hold up the ball and is strong in the air. 12m was a bit much for him but physically he might cut it. If Gomis is going to cut it in the PL it will be on the back of his physicality too.

  • 15 JackButler // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    I not Joe’s biggest fan but have to say he came across very well and went a full 9 minutes without swearing or insulting anyone :D

    But like and Director of Football at any club he has a budget to work to and the limit of that budget will determine the type of player we can go after and it seems that our budget is a hell of a lot lower than most other clubs in the league

  • 16 stuart no9 // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    joe kinnear talks f”cking bal//cks . always has – always will .

  • 17 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    NUFC at the moment has mediocre printed all over it.

    Mediocre players and targets.
    Medicore wage and transfer budget.
    Mediocre recruitment in staff.
    Mediocre in regards to a lack of planning and structure within the club.
    Mediocre in terms of negotiating skills.

    All suggesting we are just happy to be in the Premier League and float about in mid-table. So long as we are safe, that is OK for Mike Ashsley.

    And the most worrying thing about it is we have just been given millions upon millions to spend and we still tippy tappy about.

    Zero ambition.

  • 18 geordie157 // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    so we’re gonna sign Remy, Gomis, Ince, McCarthy, Zoet and a centre back.

  • 19 JackButler // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:18 PM

    I have a good friend living in Holland and he was raving about Uche Nwofor but doubts remain about his age, he’s listed as being 21 but looks more like 41

    http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5871/20479216360917702547110.jpg

  • 20 geordie157 // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:19 PM

    2nd hit list, Vydra, Rhodes and Erding

  • 21 JackButler // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rG_sf2pwn8

  • 22 Jail for Ashley // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    That is possibly the most incoherent interviews I have ever heard, there is clearly only one stiker target if you listen clearly, and a fuskin hit list makes it sound like him and Moikey have been watching to many films together.

  • 23 lesh // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    prashanth@9.

    The W W W Which striker?

  • 24 firebug666 // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    A couple of injuries this season and it’s the championship for us, No ambition, No game plan from Pards, no players in, three players out to date, poor to none negotiating skills from Kinnear, lacklustre performances from squad against poor opposition, with the exception of St Mirren. The only way is down.

  • 25 Tom4Nufc // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    JFA- I think you may be overreacting to the fact it’s Kinnear!

    I personally thought he came across very well in that interview- he’s never going to win an award for being the most articulate of souls although equally what he did have to say was interesting and very fair.

    Maybe it’s just me though!

    Anyway, HWTL!

  • 26 i // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    I have listened to AP’s interview on Radio Newcastle, JK’s interviews.
    They have always stated they are after a striker to play up top to challenge and/or support Cisse, that is obviously Gomis.
    AP wants a striker who can play from the left, that is obviously Remy, with Ben Arfa on the right.
    JK stated he wants a striker to come off the bench who can get you a goal. That is BEnt.
    In another interview JK said he likes a striker with pace who can come on and change a game, that would be Gouffron.
    My point is that’s the attacking positions covered and AP says he’s happy with the midfield and defence. So forget about Sinclair, Ince or McCarthy. The last position JK is talking about that he wants to cover is keeper, cos I don’t think he trusts Elliot or Alnwick.

  • 27 Jail for Ashley // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    JB,
    Sorry pal if you thought that came across well, it was littered with inconsistencies if you listen carefully.

  • 28 JackButler // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    lesh

    Uche Nwofor who plays for VVV Venlo in Holland I just put up a video of the lad

  • 29 Twatter // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    @Ruddy

    Is the Belgian league a top league? Is the Portuguese league a top league? What I think you’re highlighting here is that a lot of it’s very tricky to get right. In Michu and Benteke I think you’ve got two players brought in under a perfect storm; very little competition or fuss made, signs of their calibre were shown without the big clubs or their scouts cottoning on.

    I’m not saying we couldn’t be a little more ambitious or daring, of course we could, but there’s obviously been a decision made to get in a proven and consistent scorer with more experience to aid the team.

    I’m a little sceptical re: Bony. We’ll have to wait and see of course but a lot of his goals last season seemed to come about from embarrasingly bad defending. The Dutch league will always be a fun place for a powerful striker. Swansea will play similarly to Vitesse which should help him, but I doubt he’ll be as successful as Michu.

  • 30 JackButler // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    Jail

    To what I was expecting from him it wasn’t that bad mate :D as I said he went a full 9 minutes without swearing or insulting anyone, which for him must be close to a personal record

  • 31 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    2nd hitlist:
    Shola, Shola and Shola.

  • 32 Jail for Ashley // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    Tom,
    My problem is not with Kinnery but with the man who appointed him, listen to it properly, after all the grief he’s had he still gets a players name wrong and on ‘numerous occasions’ let slip we were after a ‘strikers’.

  • 33 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    Im bewildered with Joe saying we have a second hitlist.

    It’s taking us 7 weeks so far bouncing between 3 players and then back again 48 hrs later to negotiate or get anywhere.

    For us to go through another list of players, we would need a transfer window that would have to be open for 3 months.

  • 34 i // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Another reason why I don’t think we are after anymore wingers is Sammy was in the paper on Saturday saying he’s not going out on loan and we have Gutierrez who for reasons beyond me, we are stuck with. Then if you consider remy, Ben Arfa, gouffron & marveaus (even though I don’t think it his best position) all operate out wide. They think we are covered.

  • 35 jimmysmith // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    I think Newcastle are in for two strikers and then will be in for a winger and those players are probably Remy, Gomis and Ince, who would be fine. I suspect Joes remit is to get those deals on the table and at a minimum keep them there if he can’t get them over the line so Ash can come in and close them. I don’t think Ashley is up for a real tilt at the big boys but I’d be astonished if he doesn’t recognize the urgency to get these three or similar in. I’m confident a concerted effort is being made and if not successful something is surely badly wrong at St James’.

  • 36 magpiesi // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    Will be gamero who fancy’s Spain than England,erdinc and the player that west ham signed after he failed a medical for us Magia or something, then free agents for after the dead line.

  • 37 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    I hope the FA bend the rules here for Joe and allow him an extra month or two to bring in whats needed.

  • 38 CruzToonSlug // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    Long time lurker, posting my frustration and had enough of JFK talking out his arse.

    The thought of negotiations conducted in the press in this manner is the clear measure of his poor fit as a DoF. Why not just give out the terms and how beat our offers? Truly sad when Derek appears to be the expert.

    I understand the concept of using the press to get a mess over the line but this is so transparently so, its doomed to failure.

    On the plus side, Gomis gives the team power for a 4-4-2 and Remy the speed to play 4-3-3. I do believe their addition to Cisse and Goofy nicely flesh out the forward depth. But, every quote from JFK leaves me doubting our ability to seal the deal.

    Cheers all, I read the posts constantly, in conjuction with Raiders Football. By the way, the board is clearly tame and filled with far more intelligence than american football forums…..horrid

  • 39 i // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    My guess remy, gomis, BEnt and zoet
    , then business done. I also bet they are all wrapped up by Friday.

  • 40 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    Twatter

    In scouting a player you look at his attributes, his speed, power, strength, technique, not whether he scores in the league or not, it always helps if he does though, but we can’t judge simply on goals alone.

    It’s just that when I see Gomis play I’m not overly impressed with some aspects of his game, and I am sure that for a million or two extra we could sign someone of a higher calibre.

    As far as Van Wolfswinkle is concerned I think he will do quite well in the PL, I remember not so long ago about Man United being interested in signing him before he got badly injured, so someone saw something in him.

    Hard to tell about Bony, I still think he will score more than 10 goals, and in your first season that’s not terrible, if Gomis does the same (provided we sign him) I will be happy enough.

  • 41 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    I’m worried. If Darren Bent and Bafe Gomis were are main targets (apart from Aubamayang… apparently) then how mediocre are we aiming?

    I’ve watched a fair bit of Gomis since we were first linked with him and have never been very impressed. Poor touch, erratic and poor decision making.

    Darren bent? Even worse in the last 2 seasons…..

  • 42 Brutooon // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    i dont care if we got 1000000000 lists or something. all i want is a new signing

  • 43 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    @ i – I think it’ll be just like last season- just 1 first team signing this summer.

    No way all 3/4.

    Little money spent, consolidate PL status, loads more TV money = job done.

  • 44 Twatter // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    How do you lot reckon Sunderland will fare this season? I’m gonna say 14th.

  • 45 Shadow_Shearer // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    I wonder what exactly is the budget he is talkin about. Considering gomis looks like he’s goin 2 cost about 9 or 10m.
    Next season I can tell u, will need 2 upgrade mike willison, and if coloccini leaves, we to buy 2 defenders.
    Meaning if all this searching for two strikers wouldn’t difficult or complicated enough, not forgetting frustrating, Jfk is gonna be right back to square one next season when he looks for defenders! Oh dear god! Lol

  • 46 Tom4Nufc // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    Fair point JFA bud- I see what you’re getting at. I spose the proof of the pudding will be come the first Monday night of the season to see how we shape us against City!

  • 47 Yorkgeordie // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    If we sign 2 strikers (never mind 3) then Cisse will have to go to claw back some of the money because that is the way we work. This seems so obvious to me. Can you really see us with 4 first class strikers ( or purples) .No way

  • 48 jimmysmith // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    Why wouldn’t you talk openly about being after a player once a bid has been lodged, as surely there is no point in being coy at that point as it basically becomes common knowledge anyway.

    The best you can really do is keep quiet until then and suggest you also have other targets, which they seem to have done. Joe did give the impression that he wasn’t in control though, which makes you think not all the deals for the primary targets are likely to get done.

  • 49 i // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    I think he has an overall budget of about 10/12 million, from the tv deal and what he can generate. He will be desperately trying to offload Gosling, Shola, Amafino & Obertan plus the Perch & AC clause money. Then a few quid for Inman too.

  • 50 Black and White with an army lol // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:02 AM

    second hit list, so i guess C.Cole we’re trailing now

  • 51 Shadow_Shearer // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    Budget of 10 – 12 million. Would certainly explain why we’re bidding 2 million on bent. There’s no chance bent gonna be joining us. Fulham can offer double that no problem

  • 52 Charlietoon // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    I really really cannot wait to be able to watch our team go out for the day to play, knowing we have an option other than Shola to turn to if things are not going well. We’ve not experienced that for 8 years or so now and I really hope we can move him on and give someone else an opportunity.

  • 53 toon22 // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    Yet again we are taking to the media about things we shouldnt

    Just shut the fook up and get on with it.

  • 54 Black and White with an army lol // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    i don’t think there is any budget, it’s just JFK filling up with sh!t, you can always tell when he’s lying ( how ) his lips move lol.

  • 55 Shadow_Shearer // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    If we can get Gomis and Remy, we will have a full first team of purples. Name every position
    Gk krul
    Rb debs
    Cb colo
    Cb yanga mbia
    Lb santon
    Cm cabs
    Cm sisoko(if not tioti)
    Amc gomis
    Rw hba
    Cf cisse
    Lw remy

    U have 2 say, on paper we are lookin awesome!

  • 56 prashanth // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    @JB – Uche Nwofor sure looks a handful.But yes he does look older then 21, what with a younger looking Falcao actually being older…
    I think our second list comprises of Uche Nwofor , Oscar Cardozo…

  • 57 CruzToonSlug // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Seems my first post ever might be a bit too graphic. Suffice it to say Californian rugby player/fire officer and Raiders patcheye also bleeds the Black and White. I rambled on about JFK and his misuse of the press. As my dept PIO cant abide his statements. Hopefully my first post gets scrubbed.

    Best Toon talk (even with the trolls) Ive found on the net

  • 58 thai-mag // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    JFA
    Your little jokes on Ashley are not funny , I don’t know if any of them were ever were funny because I never seen them all, but I think it’s time to stop. Also whats with all the bitching on this blog now, we all are on the same side after all, I think I might leave it a while till the season starts proper and we get a few on here talking sense

  • 59 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    Amazing to think we could have this team and bench for the start of the season :

    ——————————-Krul——————————-

    –Debuchy——–M’biwa——–Collocini——–Santon–

    ——Sissoko—————Cabaye—————Anita——-

    ——–HBA——————Cisse—————Remy——-

    Subs: Elliot,Taylor,Haidara,Tiote,Marveaux,Gouffran,Gomis

    Top 10 for sure. Possibly Europe.

  • 60 Bowzer912 // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:33 AM

    Uche Nwofor looks like Sissoko and Cisse’ love child.

  • 61 CruzToonSlug // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    PBC@58

    Agreed. No reason, with better health than last year, not to go top 6….and truly challenge for a Cup. Seems to me, last year Pards placed Europe ahead of any cup challenge and “mailed it in”. Why not, with the roster you posted….eh? Lots of top shelf talent there…purples (which is an MMORPG reference)

  • 62 Robby Bobson // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    The video of the uche guy, shows maybe kinnear was right listenin to mcclaren about douglas….looks so clumsy.

  • 63 CullysFinest // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Joes got this hitlist… its.. its like new signing

  • 64 NotEvenGeordie // Aug 5, 2013 at 1:18 AM

    I actually thought kinnear spoke rather well in that clip, good to hear that he’s confident of bringing in our targets.

  • 65 Toon Tang // Aug 5, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    joe kinnear, out for a golden duck

  • 66 Blofal // Aug 5, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    Please get Nwofor!!!!! Off the bench would be great and would push Cisse.

  • 67 Shadow_Shearer // Aug 5, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    Jfk still has a lot of work to do and a lot 2 prove yet.
    Best dof in epl – not proven.
    He can bring in the right players – not proven.
    He can actually sign a player – still not proven.
    He is smarter than the toon fan – not proven.
    Right man for the job – u must be joke-kinnear!

    The only thing I can think of he has actually proved, is he know how to talk crap! How else did he get the job!!

  • 68 ROSHAN MAGPIE // Aug 5, 2013 at 3:10 AM

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    https://predictor.talksport.com/
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  • 69 swemag // Aug 5, 2013 at 3:17 AM

    Good interview. I have no ironic under tone or second intentions with this.

    Joe – my advice – time to say to the people involved in these deals that, ok guys, we agree something by Tuesday or we must continue our search somewhere else, we will wish you all the best. This is the offer at the moment, lets talk.

    There are two reasons for this:

    1. Setting deadlines makes people work and get things done.
    2. If no deal is done we walk away and show to who ever was involved and to others that when we say Tuesday, we mean Tuesday, not Thursday or maybe on Saturday.

    I am not sure how many players are registered by FIFA, but I know there are more than Gomis, Bent and Remy.

    End.

  • 70 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Aug 5, 2013 at 3:56 AM

    @Shadow Shearer – I’m guessing you’ve not seen much/ any of Bafe Gomis before?

    He could never, ever play as an attacking midfielder!!

    It would be like playing cameron Jerome/ Carlton Cole as AM!

    He’s just not that great technically. I’m fairly sure he’s primarily being bought because he’s big and strong. Just what Pardew and Kinnear like…..

  • 71 lesh // Aug 5, 2013 at 4:36 AM

    JackButler // Aug 4, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    lesh

    Uche Nwofor who plays for VVV Venlo in Holland I just put up a video of the lad

    Cheers Jack….. It’s been a long day.

  • 72 nut meg // Aug 5, 2013 at 4:53 AM

    Ruddy @40
    When you are scouting players (this is only IMHO by the way) what I would look at is,will the player fit into the way i want my team to play.I would not buy a player if he did Not fit in my style of play even if he was a good player.Great players don’t always mean great teams.Players MUST fit into a team style.This by the way is on top of what you were saying about scouting players.All them strikers does not mean more goals,we need a man to link up play & score goals,again only IMHO.

  • 73 nut meg // Aug 5, 2013 at 4:57 AM

    @72
    I meant to ask if some of the guys on here who have actually done some scouting for clubs to post what they look for in a player.

  • 74 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Aug 5, 2013 at 5:12 AM

    @nut meg- I’d say that is the decision of the manager. The scout simply gathers all of the appropriate information about the player and then the manager has to decide whether he can fit into the side.

  • 75 nut meg // Aug 5, 2013 at 5:21 AM

    GONUFC @74
    Yes 100% correct,i was scouting as the manager.The manager dictates which way he wants the team to play & what kind of players he wants.

  • 76 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 5, 2013 at 5:40 AM

    nut meg…thanks for the posts a few threads back!

    …thought the interview was quite positive; we’ll just have to wait and see what happens.

    About the russian fella; wouldn’t mind him coming along in addition to the supporters trust!

  • 77 SeanNufc87 // Aug 5, 2013 at 6:09 AM

    Oh its all doom and gloom again.

    People reading far too much, or rather looking for the flaws that aren’t there in an interview. He’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.

    I understand he has given us reason for scrutiny but hes making all the right noises.

    You cant have a go for him talking about targets we are well documented to be after, you will notice the interviewer names specific targets not kinnear. I for one am glad for an update on where we are with them.

    As for people having a go about him playing cricket, Howay lads its a charity game for the cancer that took his son man.

    We need to stop looking for the negatives in everything and then getting outraged when we find a glimmer of them.

    Heres some positives for you:

    We are definitely going for a striker
    We are in advanced talks with 2 of them.
    We have signed a fitness specialist.
    Training harder
    Manager quoted long ball is a thing of the past.
    Kinnear has a second position to strengthen once the priority position is sorted.

    Chin up lad’s. Up the toon!

    P.s a few days ago (during the swans game) a short comment was posted from my account calling their fans kernts, this wasnt me, it was a work mate who posted it while I was in the shower. He only told me he did it this morning so apologies to anyone who was offended.

  • 78 Howden Mag // Aug 5, 2013 at 6:49 AM

    SeanNufc87
    I totally agree with your post. I am sure there were several posts on here stating,”why do we get told nowt by the club”. The club do not generally give information away, it is a business after all. The information about the three players has come from the selling clubs or agents in an attempt to generate more interest from other clubs and higher bids. Mourinho, Moyes, Wenger amongst others have openly stated who they want to buy. Stop looking at the negatives. A great deal of the posts on here are guesswork, with little creedance. Give the club a break and wait until the season starts and the window is closed before making a decision.

  • 79 John Tudor // Aug 5, 2013 at 6:49 AM

    being tied to kinnear by the ankle in the streets of pamplona is too good for them both

  • 80 cyprus // Aug 5, 2013 at 6:50 AM

    Hey manager, DOF and coaches, I know this sounds a radical type of position but it may help the team:

    “WINGER: Definition: Wide attacking players whose primary role is to run at opposition full-backs and create goalscoring opportunities by crossing the ball into the penalty area. Speed is an important attribute as a winger as is the ability to dribble with the ball and pick out a good cross.
    Also Known As: Wide Man.”

    Source: http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/glossary/g/Winger.htm

  • 81 SeanNufc87 // Aug 5, 2013 at 6:58 AM

    I feel a signing either today or tomorrow lads.

    I tell ya, I feel it in me waters.

  • 82 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:04 AM

    Apparantly Villa are not in any talks with the Toon over Bent.

    A club spokesman said last night there are no talks between Villa and Newcastle for the striker, who is available at £6m.

    Joe Kinnear, Newcastle’s director of football, is under pressure to make signings, but the only offer Villa have had for Bent is from Fulham for £4m.

    That was turned down and there has been no revised bid from them.

  • 83 SeanNufc87 // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:10 AM

    Toon prodigy

    I noticed that quoteless article too mate, but dismissed it as lazy journalism.

  • 84 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:17 AM

    Nut Meg,
    Re what scouts look for in players. It does vary slightly as to the position they play, but here is a brief/rough overview.

    Initially you want to ensure the technical basics are there. So you look at ball control, passing long and short range, aerial ability, running with the ball and dribbling. Can they use both feet, or is one just for standing on?Then you would focus on what there main strengths are offensively and defensively.

    Secondly, you would look at their tactical understanding of the game. Can they spot a pass, do they play with their head up, their awareness of the situations around them, and their movement off the ball.

    Next would come their physical and athletic attributes. Generally this is the one you want to look at last of the three, but that is not always easy as if they have blinding pace, or are a 6ft5 powerhouse you notice pretty quickly. The reason for looking at other things first is that you can be fooled into thinking they are good footballers, rather than good athletes by taking these things into account first. Look at players like Trevor Benjamin for examples of people who were strong and quick, but awful at footy. That lad earned £10million from a piss poor career!

    Finally, if you get this far, you would look at their character. This is to ensure that mentally they are right for your side on the pitch and off it. On pitch you would look at bravery, both physical and mental, leadership, communications, team player, whether the head drops in difficult situations.

    After that, the report would generally be passed to Manager and coaches, or now, manager and DoF who would decide on whether this was exactly what was required. You would build the report from watching a lot of games, on average I’d see 5-10 games before filing an initial report. Then you would do more detailed, and finally the manager/DoF/first team coach would also watch if the player was still under assessment.

    Apologies for the length of that, had planned on it not being as long! I have some old blank forms that we would use, but don’t think I can attach files on here…

  • 85 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:21 AM

    Sean,

    I don’t want him. He is not a player I admire at all.

    Well, this is it, the countdown. We are very close now. Two weeks today we travel to Man City for our opening game of the season.

    We need the players in NOW.

    And even then it’s far from ideal with them settling in, getting to know their team mates, understanding how they are going to be playing in the team.

  • 86 JAMSHA // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:29 AM

    datch striker who moved for inter to a dutch club… sum castolig bla bla is 2nd list striker

  • 87 Jail for Ashley // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:29 AM

    Lil,
    What did you make of his interview last night, maybe I’m scrutinizing too much but it was littered with mistakes.

  • 88 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:35 AM

    Jail,
    Haven’t listened to it yet. Being away from civilisation since Friday, so just catching up. Will listen and let you know mate.

  • 89 Jail for Ashley // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:36 AM

    Thai mag,
    Cheers for the constuctive criticism and advice I’ll take it on board, as for the bitching, I was having a healthy debate with bills on the taste of humble pie when a guy who not for the first time out of the blue calls me an SMB and has in the past called me all kind of names with out prior engagement, this is the same guy that reported me for changing a letter in his user name !

  • 90 nut meg // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:40 AM

    Lilo @84
    No apologies necessary Lilo that’s absolutely excellent.I’m pleased that Ruddy started the post because I wanted to hear what younger more knowledgeable guys like yourself look for in a player.Well done young man !

  • 91 NUFCarter // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:44 AM

    Ive been away for a week on holiday and im expecting at least 1 new signing, but no nothing new on the transfer front other than more rumours and tavernier and abeid are off on loan. On the other hand there was a couple of good pre-season results and some good goals.

  • 92 Jail for Ashley // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:49 AM

    NUFC carter,
    In his interview, our Dof said he wanted to bring in two striker, I don’t know if he meant two strikers or one striker or maybe he’s picked up the local dialect.

  • 93 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    Jail,
    Interesting to hear the interview, but I’m not sure it really gives anything away that we didn’t know! From what he says Gomis looks less like signing. Remy by Monday or Tuesday, we will see. Meeting 3 or 4 agents a day? Surely we should be concentrating on just our targets agents, not that many different ones?

    He does contradict himself a couple of times with what he wants, or how close we are etc and he is obviously very aware that the budget is tight, as he mentions that several times. Would be interesting to get someone who is knowledgeable on body languages opinion, as whenever he mentions being close, or things having been agreed he seems to look away, same as when he says “truthfully”.

    I liked his invention of a new word instead of understand, “underknow”.

    We start off from a pretty low level for judging his interviews, so in that sense he handles it well, as for the rest, it seems to be bluster more than anything concrete. But he shouldn’t really be saying too much anyway until deals are done.

  • 94 bills-son // Aug 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    One of the key factors in scouting is finding players who can play with and compliment those you already have.

    This is why so many big quality signings fail – especially midfield players. Look at Fabregas, brilliant player but he wants to be the main man in midfield but at Barca he has Messi, Iniesta and Xavi all sharing that role and it doesnt suit his game.

    Bedders made a great post last night about Best being the workhorse up front allowing Ba to plsy off the last man whilst Cisse was the exact opposite which led to the problems we had when him and Ba played together.

    If Kinnear signs the right players to blend in rather then he’ll have done his job imo.

  • 95 bills-son // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Jail,

    Re Kinnear, I keep coming back to Barton, Nolan and Smith all had a good word for him. Just because he sounds a daft lad doesn’t mean he is. How people come across in the media and what they are like behind closed doors can be totally different.

    I’ll judge Kinnear on his results in the transfer market – not score him out of 10 on interviews.

  • 96 jimmysmith // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:02 AM

    one of the troubling aspects of the interview were his comments about the goal posts being moved and having to constantly go in with offers and return with counter offers during negotiations, as well as other clubs showing an interest late. Did sound a bit like he was preparing us for a ” we did our best but couldn’t get them over the line,” spiel. But who the hell knows whatbJoe is really saying half the time?

  • 97 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    Nut Meg,
    No worries. Happy to share whatever I can. As Ruddy says though, while it is interesting to see how they have done in previous years in terms of goals and assists, the number is not really of huge interest other than that it is increasing year on year, showing signs of progression.

  • 98 Jail for Ashley // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:06 AM

    bills,
    You’re right, he might be great to have a pint with but he should now be judged on his skills of negotiation who cares if everyone laughs at him while he represents our club.

  • 99 nut meg // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Lilo @93
    Funny you mention body language because i’m a believer in it.I thought he was like a second hand car salesman. He couldn’t stand still,his head kept turning away & he was shifty eyed. Arthur Daley comes to mind….can’t take him at face value.

  • 100 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Bills,
    To be fair mate, while that is true, that is more to the manager then anything else. The scouts do all the donkey work, and then it is the manager/DoF/Assistant who would make that judgement call under guidance from the scouts information.

    I think the biggest problem with the system at NUFC is the fact that we seem to be picking players under more of the scouts influence, without considering how the manager would line them up or play them.

    On players saying good things about him, Lovenkrands was almost gushing in his praise for him after Kinnear was appointed this time round. Thing is, just cause players he coached like him doesn’t mean he is suited to the DoF role. Just under 4 weeks to prove 99% of the fans wrong! Hopefully, he will!

  • 101 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Nut Meg,
    Yeah, it was a shame we couldn’t see the interviewer, but I’d wager they rarely met each others gaze.

  • 102 sidecutter // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    Is jermaine Defoe a better option than bent? Would he come to SJP ?
    Like a lot of people on here I’m getting worried about lack of progress in the market. I’m worried also about the standard of potential signings,this is NUFC for gods sake!! We should be able to get whoever we want! Doesn’t Ashley understand yet? you can have a hobby,you can have a business,but you can’t have both at once!!! I’m excited and scared for the seasons kick off,we’re either going to perform or were going down,no ifs or buts.

  • 103 Markaccus // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    Lilongwe

    28 days plus the rest of this one according ssn this morning. Just OVER 4 weeks ;)

  • 104 bills-son // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:20 AM

    Lil,

    I think Kinnears main role is to listen to which players Pardew wants and which players Carr recommends and make the decision on who to go for.

    If Kinnear has decided we need another three strikers and we get them then that is a massive thumbs up for him imo.

  • 105 Markaccus // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:20 AM

    Works out as the second of september. Must be accounting for the august bank holiday

  • 106 Felipe // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    Bent wants to play for Pardew. We’ve agreed terms with him and he’s been told to hang fire until August 31st when Villa will have to accept the £2m we’ve offered or keep paying his £70,000 per week for another season.

  • 107 Jail for Ashley // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    Bills,
    Apart from his obvious coaching badges what in gods name qualifies a man like Joe Kinnery for such a role in a club like ours.

  • 108 Felipe // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    Our success in bringing in the likes of Cabaye, Tiote, Ba & Cisse now has other clubs on high alert making it much more difficult to get deals across the line and we’re going to have to be patient to get the ones we want.

  • 109 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    Markaccus,
    Well in that case there are no excuses if he has all that extra time!!

    Bills,
    Agreed, if he brings in the players we need, then he will have done a good job, and I’m happy to say that once he has done it.

  • 110 Felipe // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    Jail, the only qualification he needs is he’s mates with Mike Ashley. It helps that he has been a manager and bought and sold players before. Come September the 1st we won’t much care what he does until January.

  • 111 Felipe // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:35 AM

    I don’t think it will be three. Remy was always the target and still is. Gomis is back up in case we don’t get Remy. Remy and Bent will be in black and white come September 1st. Remy & Cisse to start and cover each other in case of injury. Bent & Shola as different options off the bench.

  • 112 nut meg // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    Why would Bent swap benches for a lot less money ?can’t see it myself but……..this is nufc we’er talking about !

  • 113 Markaccus // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    Lilongwe

    Oh come on. You know better than that. There is ALWAYS excuses :D “I wanted to sign him, but he was abducted by aliens and they didnt give him back in time”

  • 114 Felipe // Aug 5, 2013 at 8:49 AM

    Bent wouldn’t be swapping benches. He’s been told he’ll never play for Villa again…bench or no bench.




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