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Joe Kinnear Learning His Job At Newcastle?

9:16 am, Monday, August 5th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 38 Comments

Newcastle’s Director of Football Joe Kinnear gave a long interview with Sky Sports yesterday, and it was  before a Charity cricket match just north of London, where Joe Kinnear is still stationed.

joe kinnear up close

Joe Kinnear – gave out too much information

And like most Newcastle fans we cringed when we heard Joe had given another interview with the press, and we didn’t know what to expect from the Director of Football.

But he was informative and reasonable in the interview, but he gave far too much information away on the status of Newcastle’s pursuit of Loic Remy, Bafetimbi Gomis and Darren Bent.

If it was a behind the scenes briefing by Joe and it wasn’t made public, it was exactly what the fans wanted to hear – where each deal stands and what the problems have been – but Joe shouldn’t go into that amount of detail, especially when we know other clubs are after those same three strikers.

But it could have been worse, and Joe didn’t use any foul language,  and he went out of his way to say that his job was on the scouting side of things, and that there was no animosity between Alan Pardew and himself, and in fact their relationship was a strong one.

That could be true, and while we’re sure a lot of the press reports on Joe are too negative and not accurate, what doe Joe expect after giving that terrible first interview to talkSPORT, when he embarrassed himself, but worse still he embarrassed Newcastle United, and that’s like scoring a terrible own goal.

And Joe kept saying the goalposts kept moving on the proposed deal with Lyon for Bafe Gomis, but that’s what happens in these deals these days, and they tend to be very complicated, and Joe needs to get used to it, because it’s part of his job to handle those situations.

It’s like a commercial pilot saying he loves his job, but hates all the travel involved.

But the interview was a decent one, and hopefully somebody, like Mike Ashley, will tell him not to give out so much inside information in the future, and he should tell that to Alan Pardew too.

What do you think of Joe’s interview yesterday?

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38 responses so far ↓

  • 1 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    Anyone see that palace have confirmed interest in bent?
    Could strangely be more appealing to him

    Back in London and number 1 striker

  • 2 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Ed
    Completely disagree mate

    The world and his wife know the stages our deals are at
    Redknapp’s been blabbing about the remy deal
    French Ashley’s has basically been posting minutes of the meetings over gomis all over twitter
    And bent has been also well documented

    So why shouldn’t we comment

  • 3 Jakenufc // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    Coming back to the previous post about the 2nd list of strikers, I would have thaught they would be brown ideye, nwofor and someone else. As for gomis, alot of people are dismissing him now. Does anyone think that we still have a chance? I certainly would like gomis at the club and especially remy. I dont know if ive just been reading all of the negative comments on here though?

  • 4 jackostoon // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    Morning gentlemen, ladies,
    Out of the three strikers nearly over the line, REMY is the one for me, absolute gem of a player, I’ve wanted both him and Hiddink at the club for donkeys years, before he went to Chelski, so to have one of them here, I’d be over the moon

  • 5 toon kk // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    Nothing is easy for Newcastle in the transfer window because MA doesn’t want to pay the going rate. Its not just a case of JFK not doing his job, it takes big Mike ages to decide whether to open his cheque book or not.

  • 6 nut meg // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Got excited there for a mo…thought it said leaving his job!

  • 7 Pizzicato The Arizona Geordie // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    Well, let’s wait for another 2 weeks.

  • 8 joeinthecheapseats // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    Hopefully some good news by the end of the day then after Joes interview.
    Wouldn’t it be a statement of intent if we got the two strikers a winger and McCarthy this week.
    Would definitely be a squad capable of a top 8!finish

  • 9 gus3232 // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    hahaha,that what i thought it said,that he was leaving

  • 10 FatmanJoe // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    I would like remy, gomis, ince and Moses but I’m expecting far too much I know. Personally I think we should be doing far more to keep gosling at the club but if he isn’t wanted then they need to move him (and a couple of others) out to make space in the squad. Too many average players in our squad taking up places that could be occupied by decent players coming in.

  • 11 jazzyp // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    Tads
    not seen that mate, But to be honest with ya I don’t think it would be to much of a loss do you.
    Nufc should be looking at better prospects than this guy anyway

  • 12 lesh // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Reposted from previous thread and drafted at a time when my eyes are still focusing in on the day. So, please bear with the rambling!

    Lilongwe et al.

    Body language can be an indicator of thoughts whether underlying spoken or received language as you well know, as you are aware that eye contact can sometimes speak volumes. Body language in though only an indicator for consideration with along with other things. It is not an exact science.

    If Joe was unable to look directly at the interviewer or camera when speaking, then that indicates a lack of sincerity or belief in what’s being said. Adding the words honestly or truthfully may reinforce that suspicion.

    Joe’s obviously had some guidance on media presentation however, we need to bear in mind that we can’t all be perfect orators. If that is the case then the club’s addressing concerns about his presentation and that’s good.

    There’s no doubt he feels under some pressure to get the players in as I’m not sure Ashley wants to be seen as presiding over another failure in pre-season management. Ordinarily, I’d say I’m fine with that but and it’s a big but, some seven or eight weeks have passed by without signings and I fear that his back’s against the wall due to the now limited time available to get them in.

    As Sean rightly points out, there have been some positive signs of changes and if they’re down to Kinnear’s intervention, all credit to him. However, it would appear that player purchase may have been parked while other things were being managed. Perhaps his time-management has been lacking of late? If that were the case, then then Kinnear is not director material. Can is weaknesses be successfully addressed at this stage of his career? Food for thought.

    Joe was making the right noises during his interview and slamming him is a tad unfair. We cry for comunication and information and there’s no doubt he covered some key issues. Look at and acknowledge the positives by all means but, don’t not lose sight of the negatives to be worked on.

    Personally, I’m not keen on Kinnear but he’s here and there’s nowt we can do about it.

    Fingers crossed and hold on tight as the rollercoaster that is Newcastle United gets faster as the window’s clock ticks on.

  • 13 Toon73 // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Remy
    Gomis
    Sinclair

    Top 17 finish for sure

  • 14 Hatem's better than Messi // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    He´s a liar.
    He´s in good company … why do I support this team?
    They’re all liars.

  • 15 Yorkgeordie // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    Expecting a miracle then.

  • 16 Felipe // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    Too many new articles. Comments become too fragmented…adios

  • 17 prashanth // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:44 AM

    i have a feeling remy will be announced tonight. I’m in New Zealand and it is nearly 9pm on Monday… I tell myself we will sign someone every night before i sleep, sigh…

  • 18 PMartel // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    Morning all,

    POTENTIALLY BIG NEWS ALTHW NOT GROUND BREAKING!

    My parents have both just landed in London from Arizona this morning and my old man has just spotted Remy with some dodgy ‘looking bloke’

  • 19 Toon73 // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    So Remy is in London?

    Great.

  • 20 jackostoon // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    Hatem,
    You wouldn’t be telling porky’s now would you, lol

  • 21 LooneyToon41 // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    @12 Lesh. Very interesting post. Good read too.
    Like you, and most fans, i’m not kean on Kinnear either, but trying to give a balanced opinion :-
    1) We can’t slam the club for lack of communication and then critisise NUFC when we do get some ‘updates’
    2) The info given on our targets is an update on publically known targets, there’s no secrets. The agents involved will be giving this info to other clubs to try and secure the best deals for their clients.
    3) The ‘body language CAN be an indicator’ and ‘eye contact CAN sometimes speak volumes’ is true, but is a generalisation, and should not be judged as fact.
    The greatest liars/cheats are the ones who can look you directly in the eye while lying…. some UK politicians come to mind regarding expenses claims and fraud!

    Lets see what happens, then judge Kinnear on the interview, when it’s September 1st! ;-)

  • 22 PMartel // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Got a bit too excited and sent this post early. Anyhoo, he’ll let me know if Remy boards their plane back into Toon. Hopefully could be good news.

  • 23 jackostoon // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    PMartel,
    So we know where kinnear is then

  • 24 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    Jazzy
    Yeah there chairman confirmed interest in him and Carlton cole I think
    Agree not a great loss but if he’s on our a list then I’d dread to think who’s on the B list!

  • 25 Markaccus // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    Was he actually at the airport? Because if he was just knocking around london, then qpr is in london…. so id expect him to be there

  • 26 nut meg // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    Lesh @12
    I was talking with a friend of mine a few weeks ago about body language.He told me he read a article about it a short while ago that he found very interesting.He went on to tell me that conversation has 3 main parts (maybe another but he couldn’t remember ) which are 1/ content 2/ tone 3/body language.I can’t recall the exact %s but it’s something like 1/ 15% for content…2/ 10% for tone & a whopping 75% for body language.

  • 27 Thump // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM

    @Markaccus: Your logic will scare people. Let them have their misery.

  • 28 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 5, 2013 at 9:58 AM

    LooneyToon

    Spot on mate, we can’t complain about lack of communication then complain about them communicating

    As you say, all the updates he has made our targets that are well publicised, not only by the media, but by there clubs and by our manager

    I’d rather know that at least something’s happening rather than nothing at all

  • 29 PMartel // Aug 5, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    Definitely airport. They’re waiting for their flight back to Newcastle.

  • 30 PMartel // Aug 5, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    He’s on the plane and sitting behind my old man. You can’t make this stuff up! Sounds like utter garbage but if anybody red my post about Secret Sausage yesterday you’ll know I wouldn’t get people’s hopes up unnecessarly. Back to the grind now though,gonna

  • 31 toonincheek // Aug 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    TADS –

    Yes, we can complain.
    Openness about running the Club – Yes
    Openness about pending transfers – absolute No-No.

    I’m sure DL and CM made a point of requiring selling clubs to maintain confidentiality while dealings were on-going.
    Maybe that didn’t always work, but it was fairly effective.

  • 32 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 5, 2013 at 10:19 AM

    Toonincheek
    It’s all over every media outlet and the selling clubs are doing basically minute by minute updates
    It’s hardly top secret

  • 33 prashanth // Aug 5, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    @PMartel…reading your post ill sleep with anticipation and hope for tomorrow. Won’t hold you to it mind…

    God knows we could do with a kamikaze billionaire die-hard nufc fan whos has had enough and is on his learjet as i type this

  • 34 Girth // Aug 5, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    I know we all want to jump on the band wagon and slag of Joe but any chance we could mention more the reason why he was at that cricket game yesterday?

    Seems to have been lost

  • 35 tweaked // Aug 5, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    suppose u can only teach a monkey so many new tricks

  • 36 jackostoon // Aug 5, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Get in there, that’ll do for now

  • 37 lesh // Aug 5, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    LooneyToon41.

    Thanks for your endorsements on the matter of body-language – it is but an indicator.

    I agree also when you say that some good liars can look on directly in the eye when lying. But, looking at listeners’ when lying can also indicate insincerity or lying as the speaker’s eye contact is too rigid. You cite our MPs in the context of expenses for example and on those situations, the language the speaker uses should be considered. ‘I am not guilty if any wrong-doing’ is an excellent example. The speaker may not have done a thing wrong according to the law or rules, but what he/ she has done may be perceived as morally wrong.

    Nut-meg, like you I can’t remember the percentage of non-verbal clues to dialogue and thus communication, is high and should not be discounted.

    Joe Kinnear, being a simple soul may have given away signs of uncertainty in his delivery and it may be that their are elements of transfer that are beyond his control – agents, owners etc etc.

    As there’s nowt we can do about his presence, we’ll just have to wait and see. And listen and watch.

    Again, a ramble so apologies to those who doze off trying to make sense of it!

  • 38 Whumpie // Aug 5, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    if he doesn’t know the job already then he shouldn’t be working at this level. We have no room for apprentices.




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