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Everybody Is Strong And Fit – I’m Satisfied With Pre-Season

10:31 am, Monday, August 12th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 220 Comments

One week to go before our season opens at Manchester City next Monday night, in a game that will be broadcast live around the world, and it’s a great opportunity for Newcastle to make a positive statement in the very first game of the season.

alan pardew steve stone john carver

The three wise men on Saturday – Stone, Carver and Pardew

Of course on the negative side of things, it could also be a time to get fans worried if we suffer a defeat, especially a big defeat, and there appear to be a number of pundits a bit worried about Newcastle for next season.

But the facts are that our squad is better and bigger than it was last season, and we’ll have a lot fewer games, and no Thursday night games in Europe, which really killed us last season – so we are fairly hopeful we
can do well again, as we did the season before last.

If that happens then last season was just a blip, and due to us not being equipped to handle European competition – so we should be a lot wiser the next time around in Europe – maybe the season after next?

This is what Alan Pardew told the local press today:.

“The big players look in good nick and hopefully we can put a team out at Man City that represents the pre-season that we’ve had.” “They will be the ones that will carry us through the season.”

“Coloccini, Steven Taylor, Mapou, the two keepers, Cabaye looks like he’s got the bit between his teeth, and Hatem looks stronger every game.” “In the first half on Saturday we treated it like a friendly, but in the second half we didn’t.”

“And we were a lot more at it, more positive and more aggressive and that showed.” “That’s what we are going to have to be like at Man City if we are going to win the game.” “So I’m pleased that some of our big players done well.”

“I am satisfied in terms of where we are at. The Braga game showed that we are strong and fit. Everybody looks in good focus.” “Like all pre-season games it is difficult to assess the team because the opposition were a different type of team.”

One positive is that Newcastle have suffered very few injuries in pre-season, under the watchful eye of our new fitness consultant Faye Downey, although Jonas did limp off in the second half on Saturday, but we assume the lack of injuries is because of Faye’s knowledge and advice – and that bodes well for the future.

It was difficult to assess the team on Saturday, but there were some good things to take out of the game, especially in the second half, where the defense looked decent and Ben Arfa showed some good fitness and form, and the subs in the second half all performed well.

But what worried us was another penalty given away by Mathieu Debuchy and maybe opposing managers will tell their players to run at Debuchy and get into the box and hope Mathieu makes another one of those ill-timed tackles.

The first test comes a week today at the Etihad Stadium and Newcastle must be competitive in this game, and we have to do a lot better than we did in this fixture last season when we were taken to the cleaners, especially in the first half and lost 4-0. :(

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220 responses so far ↓

  • 1 RonVanDam // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    We still need strengthening at the back and firepower up front. Our midfield is solid.

  • 2 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:36 AM

    We have plenty of good defenders at the club, all defended well at former sides.

    We need pardew to learn how to defend, sitting deep with everyone back is not the solution, it invites pressure and with that much pressure even the best make mistakes, thats why our lads look so average.

  • 3 prashanth // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    so… man city not in good shape after their pre-season and pellegrini apparently sweating over his squad’s preparations for the season ahead.

    nufc 2 , mcfc 1, anyone?

    also can someone who went to the game/saw it on telly care to comment on Pardew’s claims?

  • 4 Indian Magpie // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    He is satisfied with Pre season?

    I mean seriously.

    AP=Disgrace

    He was happy with the Squad on 1st sep 2012.

    He had us defending the whole second half against QPR.

  • 5 jazzyp // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    WE have plenty of good defenders granted, But had one of the worst records last season for goals conceded.

  • 6 numba9 // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    Midfield looks ok with cabs in there I think we would miss him if he went, but knowing how we work now it would take 18 months to look for a replacement tortoises are quicker than us. Us front obviously we need more options all we have is a crocked loan signing on a rape charge so basically we need two in of different style

  • 7 eaststandgeordie1982 // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    All the teams in the EPL are a different type of team so is it going to be hard to assess all season then alan??

  • 8 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    Indian

    If you genuinely believe that he was happy with the squad, then you clearly haven’t been paying attention to NUFC for the last five years.

  • 9 Indian Magpie // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    Pardew Gets away with Murder on the pitch because of what he speaks.

    All what ashley wants

  • 10 nut meg // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Well,now that the players are fit & strong are we going to really focus the training this week on getting them to play as a unit.Some how I think we need a lot longer than a week

  • 11 wolfshead@toon // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    numba9

    hopefully remy isnt ranger part 2 :-(

  • 12 magpie6699 // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Indian – please change the record FFS!
    If Pardew said he’d had a nice cup of tea you’d find something to niggle about it.
    We know last season’s preparation was not great because of other stuff going on – at least he can’t use fitness or poor preparation as an excuse this time.

  • 13 Indian Magpie // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    TDS

    Believe it or not, there were people on here who said our squad was stronger for 2012-13 season than for 2011-12 season.

  • 14 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    jazzyp

    but with arguably the same defence but debuchy for simmo and mbiwa in the squad we have the same defence as 2 years ago where we kept the 3rd most cleansheets.

    We need to make sure that we aren’t always sitting deep and defending, we must learn to keep the ball better. Some of that is the managers fault as he dictates the style but also the players as they constantly misplace simple/basic passes and lose the ball cheaply.

  • 15 nut meg // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    Sage @ 2
    Too true !

  • 16 Indian Magpie // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Magpie 6699

    Sorry, I have only 1 record and that too is broken.

  • 17 jazzyp // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Prashanth
    I like your confidence mate-would be a mint start to the season to turn city over in there own back yard.
    On the game mate from where I was sitting nothing has changed from last season. He tried different formations and tactics all to no avail.
    What was crystal clear is that apart from needing a class striker, We need somebody to link the midfield to the forwards big time.
    Far to often cisse was left stranded and had to keep dropping back to pick up the ball, And you could see the frustration he had from last season of being isolated all the time.

  • 18 SeanNufc87 // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    Mag6699

    What the hell is he doing having a cuppa!? He should be training the lads and signing people and ending world hunger!

    Pardew out!

  • 19 pawl250 // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    Well according to all the reports I read the 2nd half was the worst one!

    Bit worrying, nevermind.

    Anyone suspecting we will win on Monday needs to wake up and realise one fact!

    The 3 Manchester City new signings (Navas, Fernandinho, Negredo) cost alone could buy our entire starting 11, AND bench. I would not be surprised if their wages weren’t far off either!

    That statement alone should determine the victor of not only the match, but were abouts Man City will end up end of the season (top 3 without a doubt).

    Anyone expecting a win, you 19 times out of 20 will be left disappointed, only hope its that 1 time you won’t be.

  • 20 Indian Magpie // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    I am off to watch Day 4 of 4th Ashes test.

  • 21 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    indian
    what else can he say though….if he says the team isn’t good enough how much does that knock the lads confidence.

    For all we know he may be shouting and screaming at ashley behind the scenes, equally he might not. But publicly he always says he wants a few players, only so much he can do if the club wont back him.

  • 22 yo-yo // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    It’s called backside covering

    He says he wants two strikers and we are ‘light up front’ but then he says we have a good pre-season and the squad is looking great so when JFK fails to deliver or MAsh puts the mockers on a deal because its 99p too expensive – then the Teflon is all on Pardew – not my fault we didn’t get them over the line – but we’ll manage … we’ve got a big strong squad…. Just like 2012 ain’t it ?

    TBH I don’t blame him at all – he has to protect his own position and at least be positive for the fans and players…

  • 23 Goodfella // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Three wise men more like the three stooges ;)

  • 24 jazzyp // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Transfer sage-Morning mate
    I agree with your assessment, But I was at the game on Saturday and it was the same old same old.
    Long balls-No link play between the midfield and forwards-the defence looked very vulnerable at times.
    And this is not going to change under our current manager.

  • 25 jimmysmith // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    To cheer on the Aussies I take it Indian. C’mon boys, go you good things!

  • 26 Raffo // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Good defence? How did we do last season? Didnt we have all the defenders in last season? (a couple after jan granted) Simmo and PErch have gone. We dont have a good defence, we will lose cabs and not replace them.

    We are going to be lower half, and hopefully not fighting the drop again. I do not see us doing well. Pardew is a joke and needs to go

  • 27 valle // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Ince, Sinclair and McCarthy would be great… Gomis a bonus, but I doubt we will get that many players. I just cannot figure MA out. Surely, that lot wouldnt cost way above what we have and it would leave us so much stronger. Then again, I cannot understand why AP is still here and why JFK have now been added as well… The ways of MA are mysterious to say the least.

  • 28 NotEvenGeordie // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Indian
    Pardew gets away with murder on the pitch does he? So none of us have complained about our performances last season? All because he’s a smooth talker? You talk more rubbish than he does mate.

  • 29 Hatem's better than Messi // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    How many points from our first three games?

    Man City (a)
    W Ham (h)
    Fulham (h)

    I think … 1pt a draw v WHU
    Then it will turn toxic for Pardew as he repeats last season.

  • 30 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    jazzy

    Agree that I can’t see things changing.

    I dont get why we buy technical based players who all seem to prefer a short/passing game then hire a manager who doesn’t play that way most of the time, he does occasionally which makes it worse as i can’t understand why he doesnt all the time.

  • 31 geordiemark // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    yeah pardew parsnip is satisfied with pre season but were not with him nor the club on bringing much needed players for the defence and strikers, if we dont win v west ham i can see the toon army really venting there anger towards tight arse ashley and the management

  • 32 NotEvenGeordie // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Pawl250
    It’s the opening day of the season, anything can happen, there’s no form book to go on, they’re under huge pressure to beat us, we’re not expected to get anything, maybe just maybe we can do it.

  • 33 jayphoto // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Weird thing with Pardew, no1 believes him if he says something positive, they put it down to spin, but the same people believe everything he says if he says something they don’t like!
    There is no way he is happy with our current squad and there is no way he was happy with the squad after last summer! Remember in sept he actually had showdown talks with the board over it and there wrre rumours he’d resigned! Think he just likes to keep stuff in-house, nowt wrong with that! Not really a pardew fan when it comes to tactics but glad he doesn’t broadcast all our problems and fall outs across the media, nufc has had too much dirty laundry aired in the past

  • 34 numba9 // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Hatem two points

  • 35 jazzyp // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Hatem
    I will go for a loss-win-win

  • 36 Wiz // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    We don’t have good defenders. We are shipping fifty goals a season. And we are not a bigger and better squad than we were in the second half of last season, when we were dreadful. I do think we will see more of our newer players, and they will do better. But we are inadequately equipped in the extreme. Look at the players Pardew has picked for the friendlies. He is still trusting in the first eleven he was trusting last year.

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    raffo

    but that defense has had one bad and one good season…went from 3rd most clean sheets to being battered most weeks last season…it’s hard to explain really.

    hatem better than messi

    I think 6 points from first 2 games

  • 38 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    hey indian

    was nice when you used to talk about the team instead of spewing out these not-so-clever one liners you seem to brandish daily.

    I’m as vehement in my dislike of pardew as you are, but all your posts are hyperbolic and rather uninsightful nowadays

  • 39 BuckLuck // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Hatem’s better than Messi

    We should have 6 easy points with our squad, but with Pardew… hopefully 3, and that’s just sad.

  • 40 prashanth // Aug 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    thanks Jazzy!

    Figured as much,going by the comments on here. To be honest I was giving pardew slack last season taking into account the injuries we had. But Liverpool at Home changed all tht.The man played Sissoko on the wing when we had Benny and Gouffran available. Then I realized what Beattie,Catchy and some others had been saying was not far off the truth. The man will never take us forward because the very thought of taking control of a match frightens him. He is a ‘play it safe’ guy and saves the swagger for the press, not for the opponents…

  • 41 jayphoto // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Personally i’ve got a feeling Kinnear is banking on a heavy heavy defeat at Man City as an excuse to get rid of Pardew! If we lose our first 2/3 games and get a poor result at morecombe he ‘ll be gone! Wouldn’t surprise me with this club if we didn’t have 3 signings ready to walk into the side that are being stalled as not to give Pardew the best squad to work with either! Gonna put my neck out and say Pardew sacked after 1 point from first 3 games on the 31st of Aug! Then on Deadline day sept 2nd Kinnear takes over and the signings of McCarthy, Gomis and Sinclair are announced shortly after

  • 42 jazzyp // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Lyon have their eye on Bastia attacker Wabhi Khazri, who interested Saint-Etienne earlier this summer. (Le Parisien) as a direct replacement for Bafe Gomis for the upcoming season. Also it is very unlikely that Gomis will be sold to Marseille this season and leaves the way for Nufc to make the deal happen this transfer window.
    I hope it to be true guys !!

  • 43 BuckLuck // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Transfer Sage

    I think we buy technical players because that’s what Carr finds. He’s the man! Pardew though doesn’t know how to use them. One of those must go to get it sorted, and i really want to keep Carr. What a valuable staff member he is!

  • 44 Hatem's better than Messi // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Wow, I’m pleased that your not as depressed about our chances as I am. (I used to be very confident. Losing 1-0 with 5 mins to go I´m still hoping for a win!)
    I really have zero confidence in Pardew.

    You do know on form our last three home games have ended 0-3, 0-6, 0-1 ?

  • 45 jazzyp // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    Hatem
    Come on man lets put last season behind us and look forward to this season…………oh alright then im not even convincing myself here
    PARDEW OUT LOL

  • 46 NotEvenGeordie // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    Sorry for being so positive, but I reckon we’ll beat city 2-1.
    Cisse will put us 1-0 up just before half time, and then hba with a screamer just after half time. City will turn up the heat and batter us for the rest of the game, and score with 20 to go, then they’ll have a goal disallowed for a dodgy offside decision and well hold on.

  • 47 pawl250 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Our Team 2011/12 – 2013/14 – SOURCE WIKI

    Krul – Krul
    Harper – Alnwick
    Elliot – Elliot

    Coloccini – Coloccini
    Santon – Santon
    Simpson – Debuchy
    Williamson – Williamson
    Perch – Mbiwa
    RTaylor – RTaylor
    STaylor – STaylor
    Dummett – Dummett
    Kadar – Haidara
    Tavernier – Tavernier
    – Good
    – Street?

    Cabaye – Cabaye
    Ben Arfa – Ben Arfa
    Guthrie – Sissoko
    Abeid – Abeid
    Gosling – Gosling
    Smith – Anita
    Jonas – Jonas
    Marveaux – Marveaux
    Tiote – Tiote
    Obertan – Obertan
    Ferguson – Ferguson
    Vuckic – Vuckic
    – Bigirmana
    – Amalfitano

    Cisse (Jan) – Cisse
    Ba – Remy
    Lovenkrands – Gouffran
    Shola – Shola
    Sammy – Sammy
    Ranger – Campbell
    Best -

    So basically we DO have a better team, a bigger team and especially providing we add 1 more striker.

    Shame about manager, but hey oh we have a better team!

    Simpson or Debuchy?
    Perch or Mbiwa?
    Kadar or Haidara?
    Smith or Anita?
    Guthrie or Sissoko?
    Lovenkrands or Gouffran?
    Ranger or Campbell?
    Ba or Remy?

    Only 1 you may say the past team would be Ba for Remy.

    Basically anyone saying otherwise is a hater, and glass is half empty kinda guy.

  • 48 Raffo // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Its fairly obvious Pardew is tactically inept. He plays players in their wrong positions. Doesnt know how to get the best out of players. Really worried for the new season.

    Sage – We really need to look at why we went from a good solid team, to a shambles. I think with the same core of players, the manager and coaching really needs more scrutiny than it has had. I cant see why Ince would want to come. I would love it if he did mind you, much rather him to sinclair, but I would have either.

    I just cant fathom why Jonas and Sholla get the game time they do. Sholla is v lazy, jonas may run but so does Obertoon and look at the hammer he gets.

  • 49 croftus5678 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    with pards we will see come jan if he makes good or not !

    personaly i think a lot of stick he gets its unjust and things are never all gloom and doom like its made out on here a lot of the time.
    the longballs theory mostly comes from either williamson or krull for example.
    jonas is played most games but he “is” our best left winger (proved it in the past and in this pre season) only other person who’s not a youngster and ready for the prem is marv and i think many will agree he’s fairly poor there.

    dont get me wrong though i’m not sticking up for him as i dont see logic in playing shola or the fact we tried to defend when 1-0 up when our defence was appauling.

    2 offensive signings sound good to me :-) hoping for gomis or gomis type (strong) and an ince if poss if not sinclair.

  • 50 jayphoto // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    Really like Khazri as a player! Not sure hes prem standard but He’s tidy!
    Been in Paris end of last month, strikes me not many people in newcastle understand what Aulas is so pissed about! So heres the Gomis ins and outs from what people in France told me!
    Gomis first choice is marseille! Second choice is nufc!
    Lyon want to sell to newcastle and have agreed deal!
    Marseille want Gomis but don’t want to pay! The reason Aulas is livid is that marseille are trying to get Gomis to write off this season in lyon reserves, run down his contract and either join them in jan for cut price or in summer for nothing! This is what Aulas has reported! Marseille have hinted they will match our offer if someone buys Gignac!
    No one will buy Gignac! He will only leave marseille for a world elite team! Hes on the highest wages in france outside of PSG and Monaco and has a mint life on the south of France! No world elite team will look at him so they are stuck with him!
    The general thought in France is that this will all end with Gomis signing a years extension at lyon and being sold next summer when Marseille can afford the transfer

  • 51 nufc 11 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    The man must be blind or is programmed like a robot to put positive spins on everything, from what I hear the Braga match was a shambles players playing they didnt want to be their, no service to the strikers, we could even beat rangers a third divison team, and everyones fit and strong excuse me but we shud be steam rolling the team weve played in pre season we were all fit and strong tumping the ball long is no stlye of play, we need a major shake up IMO jst hope im wrong but what ive seen isnt very encouraging.

  • 52 connor_91 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    My team for man city
    ……………………krul
    ………..mapou colo saylor
    Debs…………sissoko………santon
    ………….cabaye……..Anita
    ……………………..ben10
    ……………..cisse

    A lot of pressure will be on debs and Danton to get up and down, but most of our wing play last season came from these anyway
    Give ben arfa a free role to do what he wants
    Also yaya toure and Fernandiniho got massively overrun in midfield against arsenal, hence me putting cabs, Anita and sissoko in midfield as I feel these three can play a good passing game

  • 53 BuckLuck // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    pawl250

    Totally agree. Our team is exciting and and the best team for many years. Pardew though…

  • 54 nut meg // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Not even geordie @46
    That’s Hans Christian Anderson stuff……..I like your optimism lol

  • 55 jayphoto // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Anyone seen Curtis Good in training?? Was big things said about him last season, thought he’d have been more involved!
    Interesting that Campbells being linked with Carlisle! Would have thought a few championship clubs would have shown for him? Like the idea of St Mirren for him! On all accounts newton and dummet have come back twice the players

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    hatem

    that was last season, all sorts of form changes over the summer, plus we should have remy for the two home games and it might let us play a good 4-3-3 again

    buckluck

    I just meant i dont get why you sign one type of player but the opposite manager, surely as an owner you would go with one style and get the right players and manager.

  • 57 NotEvenGeordie // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Croftus
    The long ball thing isn’t a theory, it’s a fact. We play more long balls than anyone, and that’s not just the fault of 2 players, it’s everyone, players, manager, coaches.

  • 58 jazzyp // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Newcastle aim to corner the set piece market.
    Pardew said: “We’ve thought about it and have been constructive in our thinking.

    “We’ve come up with an idea and a game plan towards making corners a lot more organised and more creative.

    “We are not the biggest side, and if you aren’t the biggest you have to really work on them.
    “We have come up with a game plan of playing in the Rymans premier league for dwarfs and we feel we will have more success from corners and set pieces”
    Who says percy has not got a game plan !!

  • 59 Ben3arfa // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Rubbish ambition-less manager and board

    WERE SIGNING NO ONE!

  • 60 croftus5678 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    @54 jay

    ye agree saints look after our young lads and come back full of confidence which imo the most important thing for a striker so i would love it if he goes there.

    curtis gone off the radar a bit it seems all the talk is on reme streete and mbabu as our young defenders atm.

  • 61 NotEvenGeordie // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Nutmeg
    You heard it here first mate,
    Plus, without hope, what else have we got?

  • 62 pawl250 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    Hatem

    City 0 (A)
    West Ham 1 (H)
    Fulham 3 (H)
    Villa 1 (A)
    Hull 3 (H)

    I think thats not too bad to start the season …. 8 points in 5 games, 1 being Man City. Realistic.

    I have us down for 48 points this season, think that will make us finish approx 8th to 10th. (It would have been 9th last season)

    I think we have a better squad, more time to adapt, better communication between players, we have strengthened more than weakened, youngsters had an extra year, likes of Bigi, Haidara, Sammy, Vuckic, Dummett will benefit from.

    Basically I see we lost Simpson, Perch, Harper,

    Simpson is not a massive miss, but feel we should replace him with a Haidara like right back.

    Perch is a versatile player, but when will he play this season? Mbiwa, Anita, Bigi are all better players.

    Harper, it was time to go, youth is the right way, Elliot and Krul for experience, its very rare you will have to use a 3rd keeper, but if we did like Krul it would benefit the youngster.

    Just wish we had a manager to get more from our current batch of players.

  • 63 Wiz // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    pawl @47 … who would be your first-choice players this year? And if they are different from last year’s first-choice players, why doesn’t Pardew agree with you?

  • 64 wolfshead@toon // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    @41

    wow! i thought i was cynical haha

  • 65 Markaccus // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    I am really annoyed that we are definitely not signing any more players. Gutted.

  • 66 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    raffo

    I think the problem is we sit way too deep, means we invite massive amounts of pressure on the defense which makes even the best make mistakes if they are under pressure that much.

    It also means we never win the ball back high up the pitch to exploit gaps, it means we really struggle to create a chance and rely on individual goals.

  • 67 NotEvenGeordie // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    Mrkaccus
    Stop talking wet, there’s plenty of time left and we’re seriously linked with a number of players.

  • 68 croftus5678 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    @56 neg

    that aint right i’m afraid as we had this conversation a lot of times on this blog at the end and near the end of the season there was lots of teams inc liverpool that was above and around us in the longball charts (which i’m sure i can find if you like) and yes the players that do the longballs can be coached/managed into them not doing it i agree but i did say it was “mostly” those two players as i dont remember collo/debs/santon/saylor/elliott doing it half as much.

  • 69 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Take that pic of the three wise men and replace it with this

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tPDGiDFU_GY/TrAtZPCIn3I/AAAAAAAAB2Q/WyXjN2_g5M4/s400/hear-see-speak-no-evil1.jpg

  • 70 wynsleap // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    “We have a bigger and better squad than last season” you say Ed.
    And how exactly do you work that out?
    Four out and one (injured) player in on loan.
    As I said, how do you work that out?

  • 71 valle // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    Nutmeg… Thats Andersen mate, the other way of spelling it is the Swedish way and of course you do know that he is Danish… Sorry to nidpick but as a Dane im sick and tired of the Swedes getting all the glory, people go around thinking the Vikings came from there as well, it annoys the sh*t out of me lol ;)

  • 72 BuckLuck // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Transfer Sage

    I agree. Ashley should get rid of one of them. I think even he can see that Carr has done a wonderful job and wants to keep him.
    It’s that tight budget Ashley runs that rules out sacking Pardew for now. It has been an expensive lesson for Ashley.

  • 73 nut meg // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Not even Geordie @60
    For all the whinging,whining ,moaning & groaning going on we all can’t wait for the season to start…….odd isn’t lol

  • 74 roy // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    I have the utmost faith in Kinnear. The players he is after will make the squad much stronger. Hernandez and since plus a few more if Cabaye goes.

  • 75 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    wynsleap

    We are stronger this season, we now have Debuchy, Mapou, Gouffran, Remy and Haidara

  • 76 jazzyp // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Notevengeordie
    I personally think there will be players to come in just to justify kinnears job.
    What would be the point in hiring someone to bring in players for the upcoming season, And to have nobody arrive would be a total disaster for him and the club in general.

  • 77 NotEvenGeordie // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Croftus
    I thought it had been proven that we played more than anyone last season? Whether or not we’re top of that list, we play too many. All our players can either pass or dribble, there’s no need to hoof it, cabaye needs to settle down and play it simple more often, that’s how to control games, make the opposition chase the ball and pick them off when we move them out if position.

  • 78 OhSholaAmeobi // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    actually really looking forward to the new season this time around, got faith that the players we have will be better than the previous squads pardew has had in his 3rd seasons as manager and we therefore won’t suffer the same fates…

  • 79 ArtyH // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Three unwise monkeys……more like.
    I’m afraid its going to be the same old same old.

  • 80 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    buckluck

    but Carr is a pretty good scout, no reason he couldn’t be used to find players to suit pardew…the scout works for the club and finds types of players he is asked to…sure he could find some players for direct football.

    the problem is pardew always talks about playing carpet football and says he likes a passing game when he doesnt really use that at all

  • 81 OhSholaAmeobi // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    I like Gouffran and i think Ben Arfa will get off to a stormer. I also think we will definitely bring in at least one player, not sure who yet but we will.

  • 82 BuckLuck // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    What would it cost to replace Pardew with another manager… £10-15m in total? Including new staff members.

    That’s a lot of money for Ashley. He may be forced though, and personally I think he would love to develop an entertaining and attacking team for him selv and for us.

  • 83 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    buckluck

    not that much surely….pards is on a reported 400k a year…so even paying all 7 years left would be 2.8mil…staff wont be on much either.

  • 84 NotEvenGeordie // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Jazzy
    Good point. Sinclair would be a bargain at the sort of money they’re talking about, ince looks decent but unproven at this level. Either would be good.

  • 85 pawl250 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    My first choice players would be

    ———————- Krul ———————-
    Debuchy – Mbiwa – Coloccini – Santon
    —– Cabaye —- Tiote — Sissoko ——–
    Ben Arfa ——– Cisse ———— Remy

    If all fit, this team.

    For Man City …..

    ————————- Krul ————————
    ———– Mbiwa – STaylor – Coloccini ——
    Debuchy ——————————- Santon
    ———– Cabaye — Tiote — Sissoko ——–
    ——————————————————-
    ———————– Gouffran ——————-
    ————————– Cisse ———————

    I think it would benefit us massively having 3 at the back against City.

  • 86 BlacknWhiteBarmy // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    1st day of the season and our manager says “hopefully we can put a team out”. I thought seeing europe as a distraction was poor but this is a new low in negativity.

    And as for the “list b players” comment that was made recently – how keen would that make any player to come???

    Pi55 up and brewerys comes to mind

  • 87 yo-yo // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    We just don’t know how the side will perform next week as pre-season is not much of a marker – and Citeh are under much more pressure to prove themselves than we are. It could be 4-0, it could be 1-2.

    Although the squad looks okay on paper we are still low on forward power – even with Ba and Cisse we were still short of decent backup last year. We were also pretty uncreative last year apart from flashes by Marv, HBA and Cabs. IMO we needed to recruit someone like Siem as another creative force to strengthen rather than stand still.

    I think the biggest criticism this window has been we seem to be barely standing still when we can see rivals all round us apparently strengthening.

  • 88 croftus5678 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    @70 wyns

    in ed’s defence my view is:

    players of use our=

    simmo-who 1st half of season was main rb but second we got deb’s in so he was our backup !
    but our choices of rb are deb’s/raylor/anita/santon if you consider 2 of those players better than simmo then he would not get a game anyways.

    perch-tiote/sissoko/cabaye/anita/bigi again if you rate 2 or 3 better than perch he would not get a game imo (unless really really unlucky)

    players in (remy)

    major problem area imo (even though cisse never got injured last year which was a blessing) this “loan signing” has greatly improved our main team aswell as squad imo.

    plus we now have dummett who has come through into our main squad and also sammy who is pushed into the squad atm and being a bit more usefull than he was last season (yet to be seen if he’s consistant enough though)

  • 89 BuckLuck // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Transfer Sage

    That’s a good point, but they(Carr/Ashley) must have seen that Pardew can’t back up his words before we did.

    Over time it might be effective to keep adding technical players that a new manager can develop.
    Right now Pardew and his team would clearly play better with big, strong and physical players.

  • 90 BuckLuck // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Transfer Sage

    It that’s true it’s a no brainer. New manager and backroom staff for under £5m. That would be an excellent christmas present :)

  • 91 pawl250 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Why is mine different?

    Because Pardew favours 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2, or 4-5-1

    He prefers to pick some favourites I.e. Taylor, Jonas.

    I think we need to be more attacking, our team has create technical ability I only hope he does not bypass the technical players.

  • 92 NotEvenGeordie // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    5 at the back against city is a bad idea. It’s in midfield we need to win the battle, 5 at the back is just inviting pressure. And Ben arfa has to be in the team, his moments of magic could be the difference.

  • 93 croftus5678 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    @76 neg

    completely agree i feel if he’s not asked to make his priority tracking back he would be more concentrated on his shooting and passing.

  • 94 jayphoto // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    @TS – we played alot of carpet football last season, it was just really static and didn’t get us far forward! The problem isn’t that we play too many long balls, the problem is every time we do play a long ball we lose the ball ! We’re really inaffective playing long balls! Actually think the player that makes us less static is Anita! Has great movement! Cabaye plays alot of wasted long balls! To be honest if we got 20m for Cabaye id snap someones hand off! Honestly think Anita is a better player! If we play 3 in the middle Anita, Tiote and Sissoko sounds good to me, if we play 2, then any 2 from those 3! Marveaux has also stated his preferred position is centre mid! We also have Bigi who needs games to progress, newton who looks a prospect but needs games and Gosling who we can’t get rid off! Add vuckic to that and we are really centre mid heavy

  • 95 nut meg // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Valle @71
    Sorry my man, I knew when I typed it out but couldn’t be ar@ed to correct it, I apologize once more.I am from England & we say NITPICK…..1-1 LOL

  • 96 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    buckluck

    surely they should be asking pardew why he isn’t getting the best…if pardew cant see the problem he is no good. If he can and is trying to adapt thats fine, he can have time…i just cant see him adapting at all, nothing to suggest he will in my eyes, hope i’m wrong

  • 97 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    pawl250

    the problem is that Pardew has a defensive mind set and we are constantly inviting teams onto us but our defensive record suggests that we are simply not good enough to go out with this mentality, we never go out and impose ourselves and our game on the opposition we always set ourselves up to contain them

  • 98 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Does anybody know if Manolo Gabbiadini from Sampdoria is still co-owned by Juve?

    I was a big Sampdoria fan as a kid (Mancini); they have lost Icardi ths season but I think this is the next big thing :)

    *might follow Sampdoria a bit this season!

  • 99 numba9 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    West brom in for vydra and Sinclair what is up with our club we should be walking all over these clubs

  • 100 soundoid // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    How can so many people on here be writing off the team you profess to support before the season has started.

    It’s mind boggling. It’s almost like you want us to be shit.

  • 101 ilovetoon8788 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Southampton and Swansea have stolen the march against us in just over a couple of season.

    They are much much stronger and play a brand of football which will always have them steering away from relegation all season and be hovering mid table or thereabouts.

    Southampton and Swansea are a bigger club than us now, only because their owner brought in quality manager, and made proper investment in the squad. And both of them if they continue their progress should steady themselves as a top 8 premier league team.

    While in Newcastle we are trying to avoid relegation, and have signed a single striker who won’t be available for our first.

    I can’t blame Pardew for the football totally though he is also part of the problem. Kinnear has no pedigree or have any understanding in this side of football which is getting players over the line. He should have gotten players in for us long time ago who can bolster our type of football. Not Pardew fault if he has to choose the hopeless Jonas or Ameobi because our squad is paper thin now.

    Pardew’s fault is tactics and hoofball.

    In short the problem at Newcastle lies from Pardew all the way to the top. Everyone to take equal blame.

  • 102 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    jay

    how i see it all our problems come from sitting too deep.

    cisse is isolated so the only way to move the ball forward is go long…we keep in ok in our half but seem to not be able to use our passing in the opposition half as we don’t have enough attacking to create solid link up play.

    We go long too often for the final ball…in general we dont go long that much more than average.

  • 103 wynsleap // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Jack Butler @74
    Am I missing something here as I seem to recall Debuchy, Mapou, Gouffran and Haidara playing for us last season??

  • 104 wolfshead@toon // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    sound

    we are shit pmsl

  • 105 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    soundoid

    Not one of us is writing off the team, in fact most would tell you that we now have one of the best squads we had for years but most are writing off Pardews ability to get the best out of these players there a massive difference between the two

  • 106 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    wynsleap

    Ed suggestion was that we are far stronger going into this season than we were at the start of last season

  • 107 Belfast // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Anything from Man city is a bonus tbh.

    We need to win the next two games after that.

    If we get off to a really bad start, It could set the tone for the whole season.

  • 108 Markaccus // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    Notevengeordie

    But Ben3arfa said we wern’t. And he typed it in capitals so it must be true.
    I was actually having a little joke but had to dissapear unexpectedly for a while so it hasn’t worked :D

    I actually still remain positive over transfers… there is no wetness in my talk ;-)

  • 109 ilovetoon8788 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    jay

    how i see it all our problems come from sitting too deep.

    cisse is isolated so the only way to move the ball forward is go long…we keep in ok in our half but seem to not be able to use our passing in the opposition half as we don’t have enough attacking to create solid link up play.

    We go long too often for the final ball…in general we dont go long that much more than average.
    ————–

    Agree with you here.

    The Braga match confirms your theory.

    Based on our last match, i’m actually worried for our season ahead.

    Because i don’t see any difference in terms of our football played. I don’t care if its hoofball, as long as the players know what they are doing.

    The Braga match is just a repeat telecast of what we watched practically the entire of last season. Where we are devoid of any attacking ideas. Our players look clueless on how to get the ball forward. They don’t know how to move, where and how.

    We play football on the ground near defence, but have no clue on what to do in the attacking third. Its just the same as last season which almost got us relegated.

    I dont see any difference. And am worried.

  • 110 Crow59 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    In regards to pardew with his selection and tactics, i had a conversation with an old friend a while back who is an avid hammers fan. He remembers the frustrations that we are showing when he was in charge there and it caused huge upset throughout the club as he used to pick the same old faces week in week out regardless of ability. Sound familiar??
    I really feel with the squad we have we have tge credentials to really have a good season. Ultimately this all balances on keeping cabs as its far to late to sell such a valuable member of our team. His second half apoearance vs braga really shows the confidence and gel that he brings to the team especially with regards to our french contingent as hes a leader. So keeping cabs and getting in a wide lw and i feel we are good to go, will be interesting to see the formation and squad selection in a weeks time and heres to hoping he finally sees sense. Marv, goofy and anita must be breathing fire at guti and tiote

  • 111 valle // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    nut meg… Well 2 wrongs to make a right in this case then? ;)

  • 112 RonVanDam // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    @6 number 9

    In Alan Pardews voice: Remy is here to absolutely rape the defence and score

  • 113 wolfshead@toon // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Big Brother – Chelsea style

    Roman Abramovich has been given a specially adapted iPAD with a scouting app on it to keep track of potential signings and look at scouting reports that are housed in a unique database at the club.

    Chelsea have scouts all over the world watching players and the reports are downloaded in to the club’s scouting system for key personnel – including Abramovich – to look at

    bit more advanced than jfk getting on a train lol

  • 114 gaz 44 // Aug 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    All this anti-pardew is boring now, I’m not his biggest fan but come Monday I will be right behind him and the squad HE selects

  • 115 soundoid // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    JackButler,

    I agree Pardew last year was out of his depth. He was shit TBH but can’t we let our managers grow. People learn by expirence If he serves up the same pants this year we have a problem. We’ve had our fair share of shite managers but we don’t have a class act like Sir Bobby waiting in the wings to save us this time. I’m not a fan of Pardew but can we hold off on hanging him before the season has started?

  • 116 croftus5678 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    @101 ts

    thats a very good theory and thinking back to games i must agree with you tbh we did bypass on occasions to get the ball forward as fast as possible but we either lost the ball or it was no use as cisse was alone with no one to help !

    imo an offensive wing play would help here in a 4-4-2 so that cisse would not be stranded and had another option and we have wing outlets to relieve the pressure an link to the forward lines.

  • 117 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    gaz44

    totally support him and the lads on a match day…doesn’t mean i cant be critical of him here though.

    Get my frustration out here with other fans and cheer the boys on when playing.

  • 118 jayphoto // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    @ts – yea i agree! Really think cabaye is a big part of this! He drops very deep and his movement his minimal when we have the ball! Seems to fancy himself as a soccer version of a quarterback, when he plays well hes amazing but his good games just paper over the cracks of his more frequent bad games! With Anita we are much more dynamic!
    Cabaye has said alot he wants to play like Xavi, notching up 200 passes a gamebut thats not possible with players alongside him like Tiote, jonas and HBA, they are not that kind of player! tiote and jonas passing is poor and HBA always plays for himself, looking to beat a man before taking a pass! Cabaye would probably be a much more effective player in a heavier passing side like Liverpool!

  • 119 lewisnufc // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    After watching the game on Saturday night, I prefer Mbiwa at full back rather than centre half. He looks much more solid / reliable than Debuchy, however Debuchy does offer more going forward.

  • 120 Ben3arfa // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    lol Markaccus

    at least I dont lie and claim to be ITK like others on this blog. I dont blame the liars on here, rather the morons that believe them

    I think we will not sign anyone because we are by far the most incompetently run club in the premiere league. We could barely sign Loic Remy on loan and cant even get Bafetimbi bloody Gomis “OVER THE LINE”

    Expect a spanking by city on the opening day

  • 121 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    soundoid

    Your sentiment is 100% correct mate, but Pardew is doing all the same things here that he has done at every other club that he has ever been at. Speak to any West Ham, Charlton fan and they will tell you the same.

    I love this club and everything that goes with it but when it’s being held back by the inability of one man I’ll always call them on it.

    But I would love nothing more than for Pardew to prove me wrong as for him to do so we will be playing a good brand of winning football

  • 122 AndyNUFC // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    @111

    Was that some clever joke there? Just didn’t think it is acceptable to laugh at such things when it might have destroyed someone’s life.

  • 123 Toon Tang // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    no excuses then pardew, its as simple as that eh

  • 124 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    Just me dreading the season then?

    I love football and I’m glad its back but regarding NUFC I am terrified, much as I was last year.

    I would say it’s going to be a roller coaster but there will be that many downs it would be naive to say that there will be a balance of ups.

    Maybe those of you who are so blinded to the facts in front of you will wake up when we are made to look amateurish by Man City, but that’s as likely as Alan Pardew dropping Jonas.

  • 125 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Beattie

    No mate, you are not on your own, don’t see anything changing from last seasons debacle

  • 126 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    beattie

    the way we have played pre season…style not results, has led me to think nothing will change this year at all.

    The only saving grace is remy….if he plays left of a 433 like Ba did we may see us revert to the great play that got us 5th on that good final run in.

    I doubt it as we only did that when there was nothing to lose, as soon as we had a chance of 4th we went back to being negative and cautious.

  • 127 DokToon // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    goooooooooooood morninggg NUFCblog!!

    hows all of you today?

    i must say, the top they wore on saturday is awesome…. anyone help a buddy in the states get one? i saw on nufc.com, theyre available without the wonga logo….

    please, help your supporter stateside represent the toon here in texas, and money isnt a huge issue… will pay for the top, plus shipping and contribute a few pints as well…

    thanks for listening :)

  • 128 jayphoto // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    Strange not many people have made much of city signing Jovetic?! Personally think he might be the signing of the window! Interesting to see how City line up! Their 4 strikers are Negredo, Jovetic, Aguero and Dzeko…… With Silva, Navas and Toure behind them…. Bit humbling that when we’re excited about players from the belgian league

  • 129 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    DokToon

    Where abouts in Texas are you from mate?

  • 130 BuckLuck // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    Beattie25 and JackButler

    I’m with you. I see a lot of frustration this season.

  • 131 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Soundoid

    As JB alludes to, Alan is in his 14th year as a manager. This isn’t a new guy that needs to be given a chance to prove himself.

    1 top 6 finish in the PL in 14 years is not the hallmark of a decent manager.

    Watch the football he served up at previous clubs and watch ours. There is no evolution, nothing new, no change.

    The guy is, without a shadow of a doubt, a poor manager. There is no need for any of us to insult him on a personal level, but the fact remains he is not good enough for nufc, not good enough for the PL and will never give us the brand of football we should be enjoying.

  • 132 gaz 44 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    I know what ya saying sage just I used to like reading through the comments but now I know what pretty much every other 1 says, Jonas has been the best player preseason in my opinion also

  • 133 investinyouthtoon // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    From an earlier post…

    In order to stop us getting screwed at the last minute, why don’t the club set a deadline for any teams wanting to buy Cabaye, such as a week or two in order to allow us to get a replacement, without having to either make do without Cabaye or any replacement, which if happened wouldn’t be a total surprise with the clowns in charge at this club

  • 134 soundoid // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    JackButler

    We do have a good squad. The best in a long while. If he can’t get anything out of the team this year he has to go. I think he will get results. It’s not going to be great football but I think top 10 finish. It’s where we are… I don’t like it but hey ho we won’t be punching our real weight until we get a new Owner, Manager and DOF..

  • 135 DokToon // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    JB,

    im in houston sir…

  • 136 jayphoto // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    The club brought a cabaye replacement last year in Anita in anticipation of Man Utd coming in with a big offer for Cabaye which never materialised!

  • 137 DokToon // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    i LIVE here, not from here…

  • 138 Raffo // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    We may well have a good squad, but dont forget others havent sat on their cracks. Norwich, Soton, WHam Swansea all strengthening too. We will be lucky to move too far up the league. Sunderland have signed alot and may well need bedding in time.

    The best chance is that the promoted clubs dont do well enough. Stoke may well struggle, but really not too optimistic. But I guess that makes me a hater/non supporter or whatever

  • 139 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    DokToon

    Always wanted to visit the resting place of Stevie Ray Vaughan in Dallas

  • 140 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    What’s humbling for me is the amount of investment other clubs have put into their team.

    When it comes to teams on paper we can pretty much compete with any team, but sadly the amount of teams that can compete with us on paper has grown massively.

    What it comes down to is the battle on the touchline, the tactical war over 90 minutes, the fight for dominance between the orchestrates giving instructions from the technical area. We have one of the weakest in the PL I honestly believe.

    If we are 1-0 up, 1-0 down or are drawing 1-1 with 30 minutes left how many of you are confident enough to say that you believe Alan can either motivate the team through instructions and tactics to push on and score another?

    Long season ahead, even if we actually sign another player.

    You can have as many top of the range ingredients as you want but if the chef making the meal is a poor cook then the dish will look, taste and be poor.

  • 141 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    gaz44

    Yeh I agree, some points to get talked over and over every day….i come on less frequent as there isn’t much news really.

    I havent seen much pre season but heard jonas has done well. But what has he actually done? i really cant see his crossing having improved, thats always been poor…and as a wide player that’s his main job to attack and supply the forwards.

    I really think that jonas is no use, he defends well for us but by sitting so deep to defend he doesnt worry the defending fullback so they can freely join in the attack.

  • 142 Belfast // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    I’m expecting the same garbage as last season tbh.
    With different excuses this time.

  • 143 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    beattie

    with pardew i feel more comfortable for us to be 1-0 down instead of up…at least when down we keep attacking and look decent.

  • 144 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Sage

    I know what you’re saying but we are more likely to capitulate like the 6-0 against Liverpool, than to push on and attack.

    Hence why it took us over 2 years to come from behind to win in the PL.

  • 145 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    beattie

    true…but at least we will maybe come back and get the draw

    if winning i always fear we will concede 2 late goals defending and lose

  • 146 pawl250 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    I understand everyones opinion of Pardew, I do.

    But you have to have some stability in the club. Especially ours.

    I ask who would be our manager if you ask Pardew to leave tomorrow? Poyet? …. Is he proven? Is he worthy?

    You have to accept the argument Poyet may not, and may never be as good as Pardew, he simply did well at Brighton that is all.

    Steve Bruce does well with most lower league teams, then becomes a very average, bottom half manager in the PL.

    We have no Mourinho, Robson to replace Pardew. The likelyhood and this is a sad probability is Kinnear will replace him, is that the world you want to live in?

    Atleast he is hidden 80% of the year as DoF, in comparison to media interaction on a week to week basis as manager. It would be embarrassing.

    I will give Pardew a chance, not all managers are top class all the time, some peak later in their managerial career, some fade away.

    Give him a chance this season, I feel his is in last chance saloon with MA, and well adding pressure will not defuse the situation.

  • 147 Yorkgeordie // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Re the subject article :There is an old saying “whistling in the dark”

  • 148 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    soundoid

    The chance’s of finding a new owner are very slim as we are now raking in the money so Ashley will be very reluctant to move on and I can see the benefits of having him here in all honesty, but replacing Pardew is relatively simple as there are plenty of managers out there that would jump at the chance of coming to a club like this and would move heaven and earth for a squad like ours.

  • 149 soundoid // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Beattie25

    I remember watching a late night football talk show where they had a fan from each club as a pundit, Sir Bobby was on one night and the Newcastle fan said
    ‘Bobby I just was to see us playing fast fluid attacking football’
    Sir Bobby ‘what do you think I want to see?’
    ‘But there are 11 players on the field trying to stop you from doing that… and I’m not talking about the opposition’

  • 150 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    pawl

    Personally I couldn’t tell you who i would go for…i’d need to sit down and have a look around europe/the world.

    It’s always a gamble getting a new manager, as we wont really attract the top level, we would have to get an average manager or an unproven manager, which is a risk.

    What you need is a list of managers who you believe you could get and try to scout them as thoroughly as possible to make sure you get the one who has the best chance to take you on.

    Look at swansea, they have improved with each of their last 5 managers….is that luck that all have done well? I don’t think so. I think they know what they want and have sensible footballing people running the club who implement the plan well.

    Obviously even with the best planning things can go wrong but the more work you do the more the percentages are in your favour.

  • 151 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Soundoid

    The difference is that Bobby had the tactical know how, the manzgerial experience and the will and want to play attacking play.

    Alan has no desire to do that, you can see it in his tactics, in his squad selection and in the tempo he likes to play.

    Bobby brought in players to play attacking football and for a good few seasons the likes of Rbert, Bellamy, Dyer, Solano etc.. gave us what we wanted in spite of the defensive mentality some squad members at the time may have had.

    This team is not only one of the most impressive teams we’ve had in terms of technical ability, but also in it’s instinctual attacking intent. They are set back by the manager, not the other way round.

  • 152 Raffo // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Pawl250 – Stability is one thing. Stability doesnt breed success, ability does. Look at Chelsea and Man City. Recently have been successful in terms of winning trophies and have chopped and changed managers. They have won much more then Arsenal who havent won anything for 8 years.
    The idea that hanging onto Pardew to be stable and then we will win stuff doesnt wash. He isnt good enough. We need to have a degree of stability but with someone better. There are plenty of good managers out there, and frankly I would rather go for someone from the continent. They play the type of football we would love, and we have a team full of players from the continent so would know what to do with them.
    I will support and cheer the team on come hell or high water, but I dont think we will do anything other than struggle with Pardew and his idiocy at the helm. The year we finished 5th was the blip. We overachieved massively.

  • 153 terencelim // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    @pawl250, with your football knowledge the choices are certainly limited. You could name only the local managers but big clubs or small clubs with minimal ambition would look abroad.

  • 154 ilovetoon8788 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    i’m with beattie butler and most here.

    from the pre season, im expecting the same garbage as last season.

    starting with the hiding from City next week.

  • 155 Sazzer // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Tadic is great but he will cost 6 m and above.

  • 156 soundoid // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    Pawl spot on.. we could end up with something worse. I’d love AVB or the special one I think they would burst in to tears when they went in to thier new office and saw the picture of Sir bobby on the wall and realised they had finally come home.
    I’m sorry Jack but i don’t agree If pardew goes the picture will be replaced by one of Kinner and all of us will be in tears.

  • 157 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    Pawl

    What is the point in stability for the sake of stability?

    Why settle for second best because you are scared of worse things in the quest for better?

    If we all had your mentality Souness would still be in charge.

    If we had all seen positive football, if we had all heard nothing but honesty, if we all witnessed progression and if we all saw brightness in the future then Pardew could be excused from last seasons disaster.

    He offered us nothing then, he offers us nothing now and will offer us nothing in the future. Why should our club stabilise in mediocrity and curse ourselves to years in footballing purgatory?

    I’d rather risk it all for a chance at glory than settle for what we have because i’t could be worse’.

  • 158 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    soundoid

    If Kinnear were to take over it would only be as an interim manager until we found a replacement for Pardew, his heart problems would stop him from taking over on a full time basis.

    There are no guarantees in selecting a new manager but I would rather take a chance then stick with a man who has already failed as other clubs seem to get it right more often than not so why should we be any different

  • 159 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    beattie

    I think that can all be summed up with one phrase.

    Stability does not breed success….success breeds stability.

  • 160 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    “When players are away on international duty, it’s difficult to do a transfer,” Pardew said.

    “I think there’ll be hardly any activity this week.”

    Was Gomis called up to the French sqaud?

    Darren Bent in the England squad?

  • 161 soundoid // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Beattie25

    You are right. But we don’t have the most gifted manger on the planet waiting in the wings this time we have a really awful one.

  • 162 Indian Magpie // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    NUFC beating Norwich and Swansea will be considered an upset IMHO this season. As things stand

  • 163 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Sage

    Here here

  • 164 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Sage

    It should be:

    Hear, Hear

  • 165 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Soundoid

    Maybe we do, but that doesn’t change anything.

    Pardew still shouldn’t be here and shouldn’t be supported simply because Kinnear is our only alternative.

    As someone mentioned before Stalin should never be lauded as a a better leader than Hitler just because Hitler was worse than Stalin. Both of them were awful and both countries would’ve been better off without either of them.

  • 166 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    beattie

    I think I could be paitent if i had seen the start of a more fluid system in pre season, i would have happily had an average season if it was because we were developing and changing our game.

    I just think the problem is we see average rubbish, what doesn’t work but for some reason we keep trying it and dont change it up.

    I wouldn’t mind losing a few games if it meant we were trying something different and looking to find a better way, the problem is not trying to change.

  • 167 jazzyp // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Please Please Please take a step back lads for one minute and honestly tell yourself that Nufc are moving forward in the right direction.
    Would we really have been putting Swansea-Southampton-Norwich and the likes in the same category as what we are doing now.
    These clubs are making progression in the correct way where as we are sitting on our proverbial arses. No other club goes through this crap season in season out….Ask any other fan an I bet most will say we are a laughing stock and cant believe what we are constantly put through.
    We settle for Second best when we could easily have the cream if we had Ambition.
    But unfortunately we will have to put up with the same tripe served up as last season while we are under this management and I honestly cant blame our top players wanting out !!

  • 168 JackButler // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Pardew is the second longest serving manager in the Premier League and what has that brought us???

    This myth that we need stability is laughable as only Man UTD and Arsenal have had any form of stability, when we find success we will be able to find stability, thats how it works not the other way around

  • 169 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    I can kind of understand the people that wish to see stability at the club, after all, the instability in the 2008/09 season with the managerial carousel was a massive contributory factor in our relegation.

    However, keeping Pardew in charge of the club will not bring any true stability. While the manager may stay the same, we will see one of the best teams we have ever assembled get disillusioned with the club, will realise they have more potential than AP will ever let them demonstrate and they will look to move on.

    So I ask you, where would you rather see your stability come from? From your archaic dinosaur of a manager, who may stay at the club for 8 years, but in those 8 years we will finish no higher than mid table and see quality players come and go out of sheer frustration, or should we give this manager the boot, push for an ambitious up and comer (will never happen under MA btw) and keep this side of top class internationals together and see true stability at NUFC?

  • 170 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    jack

    exactyy….modern football isn’t built on stability of manager, same way we moved away from stability of players….it changes a lot now.

    it’s all about quality of manager and making sure you get the right man to manage the squad in the style you put together….ala swansea

  • 171 Indian Magpie // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    JB

    ManUTD and arsenal had stability because of Success.

  • 172 Novocastrian66 // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    The media keep going on about the Brendan Rodgers project, which is a load of dung by the way. It as if he invented passing the ball. Anyway at least he has a preferred system and their recruitment is based on the way they want to play.
    What is Pardew’s preferred strategy? How does he want to build his team? I for one do not know.

  • 173 t00ntime // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    Reading some of your comments are great. Nit picking everything pards says and twisting it to something bad.
    From what I saw against Braga we were trying to play differently to last season. No we didnt get forward as much as we would of liked but we did passing more and less longball. Pardew has said we will try and play more of a passing game this season and they’ve been practicing movement off the ball and passing. The process wont be quick but it can happen. But no fans will be impatient and if we lose 2-0 vs city people will be freaking out about us getting relegated :S
    The nufc way, always jumping to conclusions.
    Remember when we fired sbr because he had a bad season?

  • 174 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    Toontime

    I sincerely hope you’re not comparing SBR to AP.

  • 175 soundoid // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    This year is a water shed for me. Pardew delivered us success with a europa league place then arsed it up. As I said I’m not a fan of his. I’d rather Chris Hughton was still the manager. If we’re not doing well in 10 games in I’ll want him sacked.

    But who would you guys have as a manager?

    That Mash is willing to pay for?

  • 176 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    soundoid…I would rather have a new owner mate ;)

  • 177 Wandering Geordie // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Still no mention of the behind closed doors friendly at Anfield on Wednesday Mr P. Even though some of our 1st team are not playing

  • 178 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    t00ntime

    Are you comparing Sir Bobby Robson to Alan Pardew?

  • 179 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    I’m with Jesper on this one.

    MA will never sanction the signing of an ambitious manager who plays proper football, as it is much easier to give jobs to the boys as they’ll just do what he tells them.

    Until MA sells up, we better get used to this.

  • 180 welshgeordie9 // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    I have had enough of this rubbish now unless newcastle sign someone very soon. I just might only follow my hometown club at least the swans are going places I just wish newcastle were as well. It’s so annoying that newcastle just need 2 more players to have a very good squad and if they don’t get them then its going to be another frustrating season.

  • 181 Indian Magpie // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Did marveaux start any of our 7 friendlies

  • 182 Spartak Miserable // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Yet again people picking there ”best 11” on a story not requiring such a post. Boring. and pointless.

  • 183 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Let Mike have back his £130M or what ever we own him and hope he can sell as quick as possible.

    …no one is going to buy us as long as we owe him money (we simply cost too much)

  • 184 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    Soundoid

    There are lots of managers in Europe who would not only be better than Pardew but a lot cheaper.

    The idea that Pardew is the best we can afford, the best we can attract or the only man for the job is balls.

    There would lots of managers queuing up for the job, and many of them will have worked for worse owners than Ashley.

    The only thing Alan Pardew offers the club is his ability to speak as a mouth piece of the owner in order to manipulate fans into believing into the regime.

  • 185 Thump // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    He’s not satisfied with the results, he’s satisfied with the fitness levels and ethic in the lads. For Christ sakes, it’s not a f’ing cup run.

    I’m going to email Newcastle City Council and see if they can hoy some prozac in the water.

  • 186 martoon // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    The trouble is if we do sack Pardew who will be tasked with recruiting a new manager – I think we all know the answer and his initials are JFK – we’ll be lucky to have a new manager by the start of nect season ;)

  • 187 DokToon // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    ruddy, beattie, gmorning..

    can you refer to my post at #126, and see if you can help me? id be grateful for any help at all.. thanks :)

  • 188 mindshaft // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    On paper we have one of the strongest first teams in the prem, in reality Pards constantly plays people out of position, picks his faves regardless of form and seems to be coaching negative tactics such as sit back and hoof it up
    Cabaye, HBA, Sissoko etc all seem to have gotten worse rather than better as he is trying to make them play a game they aren’t comfortable with
    Think the whole coaching staff could do with replacing
    Man City = zero points unless players secretly train and coach themselves to a system that suits them and then just ignore Pards & co

  • 189 pawl250 // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    You mistake me, I would happily replace Pardew for someone who in my opinion would increase our chance of success….

    Again since all of you are so knowledgeable, who would you line up?

    I heard no names? Anyone can name Mourinho, AVB, but seriously they would not come to us…..

    I LOVE the club, I want it to be successful.

    I feel Pardew will get us top 10 this season, and that to me is an improvement, upon finishing top 10, I would seek further improvement and so on and so on.

    I ultimate aim is to be a champions league competing side within the next 3-4 years.

    I would take 10th, 8th, 6th, 4th the upcoming seasons.

    I would love a cup run though, I would take 10th and a final in the FA cup this year!

  • 190 paul24 // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    Everybody Is Strong And Fit – I’m Satisfied With Pre-Season.

    I fell off my chair laughing at this, who is he trying kid?. Do us all a favour Alan and bugger off.

  • 191 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    Beattie

    I don’t think that Pardew’s the best we could afford, but if Pardew is fired this season I would put good money on JFK being his replacement. I wanted Pardew gone last season too, and still don’t like the guy, but nor do I believe that the replacement would be anyone but Pardew #2.

  • 192 Thump // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    @soundoid: Poyet is the only one that really springs to mind. There might be some excellent managers lurking about but I can’t think of any that would genuinely improve how we play and our overall standings. Truthfully, I wouldn’t have minded Martinez. For all I think he’s a slimy little toad, he knows how to get the best out of his players (on a shoestring, no less) and he gets his lads playing attractive football. It’ll be interesting to see how he does at Everton this season.

    Of course there’s always Avram Grant but like shite would Ashley pay out for him.

  • 193 paul24 // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    * trying to kid :P

  • 194 cjtoon // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Hi all, its been a long pre-season. By in large most fans had had enough of Pardew by the end of the season myself included. I wrote a huge review of the season a few of you read which illustrated just how much rubbish Pardew gets away with.

    I think Beattie and Sage are both spot on in terms of where we are going wrong. Sitting deep is suicide in the premier league. Its O.K in five minute spells but at times last season our defence had to do it for 30 minutes of a 45 minute half. Even the best defenders can’t cope with that.

    Like wise our midfield was totally absent last season, very rarely did we retain and control posession. Very little team pressure on the opponents too.

    I think a lot of this has to fall on Pardew as by all accounts we have probably the best squad we have had in my time supporting newcastle (im 24).

    Its almost ridiculous to think that a team with a defence of andy obrien, titus bramble, andy griffin & olivier bernard survived in the premier league (and our infamous champions league run).

    the only thing that worries me is why our players do the basics poorly. Short passing, movement off the ball, defensive positioning, set piece delivery & team pressure for example. regardless of team selection or tactics these should be a given along with effort and commitment which sometimes seem to go missing too.

    All i want to do is sit and enjoy a Newcastle game for 90 minutes. Why is that not possible with this team?

  • 195 gonz // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Some of you bloggers say the same things every single day! Yes. fully aware you hate Pardew and you want him out. Please, bring something else to this blog besides that tripe day in day out!

    My two cents!

  • 196 Thump // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    @DokToon: I don’t know when they’re on sale, mate. I’m looking at nabbing one too but I’ve seen nowt about it :(

  • 197 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    DokToon

    Good morning lad. I think I read somewhere that the jersey is available to members only. I’m not paying my membership this year as I will not be contributing to this regime. Maybe some of the lads here have their memberships and can get it for you and you could pay them through paypal.

    Other than that I am afraid I’ll be no help to you haha

  • 198 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Gonz

    Interesting. Well it may be repetitive but at least it’s football related. My two cents.

  • 199 DokToon // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    thump, i like the fact that there supposed to be available with out the wonga logo, per nufc.com… if you find out thump, let me know, id gladly pay for a few pints for the trouble…

    ruddy, so youre saying youve been help to me in the past? :) no worries, just trying to get some gear for me… its effin impossible…

  • 200 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Dok

    I assumed that my sparkling wit and unparalleled charm have helped you on a daily basis…it would appear I was wrong :P

  • 201 paul24 // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    @gonz

    It doesnt really bother me to be honest, what does bother me is the fact we keep getting threads about him and his oppinions. I get it already, he’s a stubborn old gobshite, can we just leave it at that? :P

  • 202 gonz // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Not that anyone cares, but this is where I stand on Pardew:

    He needs to be given time this year to be successful, if he isn’t successful and we end up in the bottom half then we need to change in Managers in the summer, but he needs to be given time. I feel regardless of how bad we did last season, he did manage us to 5th and qualify for Europe in his first full season and that gives him a Pardon from last season. If we play the football that he’s said we will play this season and finish in the top 10 then some of you will have to continue your witch hunt for another season.

    I for one am hoping for the latter. I think with our squad we will make the top 10 and play some good football. Key players WILL be fitter this year that missed HUGE chunks last season. Remy will be a massive hit for us. HBA will terrorize defences and be a more offensive threat the previous seasons.

  • 203 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Dok

    They will be on ebay shortly after they are released probably.

  • 204 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    BEATTIE
    The problem for me is that we pay pards 400k which is the same as what klopp gets at dortmund…same fee but miles apart.

    That shows we can afford a better manager (not saying we would get him, but we can afford to compete at least)

    I think AP is in charge as he wont get a better job elsewhere so he needs to keep his mouth shut and do as he is told here or go back to lower leagues.

  • 205 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    gonz

    fair point i guess.

    But my argument is that we have played some great football in a 433 towards the end of the season we finished 5th when we thought we had nothing to play for. Once we had a chance, albeit small, of 4th then he went back to negative football, so defensive.

    The problem is that he has seen how we can play well but he wont go back to it for whatever reason, he wont even try it when the current way is failing.

    I just dont see how long term he can get us to improve, it’s always the same.

  • 206 DokToon // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    ruddy, how quickly i forget :)

    and thanks, all youguys for the info, itll be better when i get divorced and move next door to ruddy…it”ll be more like grumpy old men, lol…

  • 207 gonz // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    Having watched every pre season game bar the St. Mirren fixture I can definitely see a change in our style of play. Some of it has been very good, and some of it has been bad which is what you’d expect from pre season games. But, it isn’t going to change over night and like most things needs to be given the time for improvement. Pre season isn’t a time to judge the managers performances. Whether you support him or not, he’s here to stay for now so support him whilst he’s here. He’s said all the right things for the time being and is trying to make the changes that threatened our very status last season.

  • 208 gonz // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    @transfer sage

    totally agree with you about our tactics. But, my point is he’s here to stay so can we just at least give him the time to make those improvements? I was a massive Pardew fan his first season, was optimistic about last season, then everything seemed to go against us and some things was his fault (tactics) and some that weren’t (injuries to key players, Ba leaving, No Ba replacement, Remy doing a U-turn) and I’m giving him until the end of this season to make those improvements (squad selection, benching under performing players, formation, tactics) before holding judgement.

  • 209 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    gonz

    I have only seen the braga game and wasn’t too impressed.

    I am happy for it to take a year or two to develop as long as there is improvement month by month, doesnt have to be huge improvement but a clear sign change is taking place, even slowly.

    I just think even if pardew improves there are much better people forthe job, but can’t criticise him if he is trying to change

  • 210 SeanNufc87 // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    For all the hatred on here, I bet that stadium is full come the 19th and id be very surprised if I saw a single pardew out banner.

    Now that iv said that one of the more argumentative ones on heres probably digging for an old bed sheet as I speak.

    Could just be me n mine but I dont know anyone personally who are so disillusioned with our club as some on this blog.

  • 211 Pokat // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Hatem needs a couple more sessions on the trampoline I thought, although he is definitely fitter than the last time I saw him play last season.

    Did anyone else not see the Debuchy tackle that brought the penalty or what? PL refs are pretty wise to that sort of trick now, the ref on saturday was a tool of epic proportions imo. It was defo a leg left in and the little trog rolled about as if a shark had took his foot off at the hip to make it more realistic. Actually I dont think one braga player got tackled without a stretcher being called on. Having said that, Debuchy needs to wise up and get a bit sharper to deal with that sort of suarezzy stuff.

    Anyway, I do hope they are all fit this time because last year I wouldnt let them out on a bike ride without bus money. All we need now is a bit of savvy in the formations department. oh dear what have I said???

  • 212 t00ntime // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Lol So now people are doing it to me too :P

    No I’m not comparing sbr to AP I’m pointing out that we fired SBR because he had 1bad season and we thought we could do better.
    Now we are in the same situation but on a lower level and fans want to do it again. Have we not learned anything? Firing someone doesnt automatically fix the problem, theres even a big chance it could make it worse (like when sbr was fired). Pardew deserves the chance to prove last season was unlucky and not a fluke the season before.
    We call ourselves the best fans but all we do is overexagerate how good we are and then blame AP when we arent as good as we think we are. I’ve seen people say without AP our team can fight for top4. So if we barely finish 6th (which would be a good season) fans will blame AP we didnt finish higher -_-

  • 213 DokToon // Aug 12, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    sean, isnt our 1st match at citeh?

  • 214 Ben3arfa // Aug 12, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Kinnear the c*** has his eyes on the managers job when pardew eventually gets sacked . Ashleys yes-girls are not even in the same page it seems

  • 215 gonz // Aug 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    @toontime

    You hit the nail in the coffin! Exactly!

  • 216 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 12, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    I can’t believe that we are still debating whether we could get a better manager than Pardew…

    I’m sure that some Man Utd fans are debating whether they could have got a better manager than Moyes and some Arsenal fans debating whether they could get a better manager than Wenger…

    It’s all subjective anyway, we could just as easily replace Pardew and find that we’re worse off as better off in my opinion. I think Pardew is about the level we are at now and all the CL level managers wouldn’t want to manage us anyway.

    We all know that MA wants to get the stability at the club so we are a firmly established top half PL team. This makes it easier to get players, sponsors, fans, maybe even a manager and eventually potentially sell the club at a significant profit. He’s not going to risk this by appointing a manager unproven in the PL and he’s not going to pay mega-bucks on salary and transfer kitty for a top manager who expects to be in the CL.

    I really wish we could just drop the Pardew speculation until a few months into the season. I’ll be calling for his head if we’re sitting in 15th place, 10 points adrift of 8th in December…

  • 217 Pokat // Aug 12, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Where I stand on the Pardewliser-

    His appointment left me numb, but at the time it was a madhouse and I realised that as a laughing stock we had to settle for him, not good, not bad lets see how it goes. We got a nice finish at 5h, but it had the feel of could have been better if not for a few niggling aspects of our play. I realised though that the core of players were good enough to get us into CL. Next season, I thought Europa would strengthen the team give the kids a push in the back so to speak. Unfortunatey it sorted the boys out from the men.

    Injuries took their toll but Alan could still have moulded something a bit better. It all looked panicky to me, and the cracks started to show, the fitness was a big concern. I heard that Pardew is a commuter manager, lets his coaching staff do the training then turns up at the end of each week for a reccy.

    So now we have played a lot of tosh teams and risked nothing pre-season, not many changes from last year really, so I am wondering if everyone has been given time to forget just how close we were to going down again? I think he is fresh out of plans myself. he has tried hard, but I think his level is a little lower than a PL club, thats just the way he is, just like not many payers are PL quality, he is the same as a manager. i don’t hate him for it, but it would be nice now that our image has settled a bit to attract a more recognised talent. But then they would have JFK over them. Ah, well.

  • 218 nut meg // Aug 12, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    All the talk about defending too deep etc is IMHO bang on the button.If we had a player to link play up with the forwards & score goals we would have a different look about us all together. I’m getting fed up saying it but we do have the players to pass it & move but we need that missing link man.A few of my pals used to go to Durham to watch the team train during the Keegan years & they played 5 a side ….at a 100 miles ph !! Maybe it needs to be introduced into our training sessions,passing & moving flat out,always on the front foot.Schoolboy stuff really!
    What happened about the technical director being brought in ?

  • 219 count // Aug 12, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    Connor_91 @56 – I like that team.

    Also, I think anyone who says our squad is no stronger than last years is talking out of their ar$€.

  • 220 Shadow_Shearer // Aug 12, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    How can pardew be happy with the pre season?? We only played well in one game, that was against motherwell.
    Next game was against rio ave, who tore us a new one, staylor looked so short of match practice it was embarrassing.
    Shola saved us against paco de ferreira, blackpool, rangers and braga. St mirren showed us to much respect, but I was happy enough 2 take the win.

    Vuckic who scored the first goal of the pre-season against motherwell, looked good but didn’t see him again. Marveaux looked one of the sharpest players and barely got even sub appearances. But pardew was raving about drummet. Didn’t see bigi or haidara at all. Even hba didn’t look fit.

    And pardew was happy with pre-season! I have no football management in my life apart from computer games, and I think pardew is a joke!




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