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We’ll Be Looking To Win At Manchester City

12:12 pm, Wednesday, August 14th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 397 Comments

Alan Pardew has been interviewed in the Northern Echo today, and says Newcastle will be going into our first game at the Etihad Stadium next Monday evening, looking to win that game against money bags Manchester City.

alan pardew in black wonga

Alan Pardew – we go into win every game

One of the things we like about the Newcastle manager is that he does come up with a game plan to try to win every game, and that’s different from some past managers – and Sam Allardyce immediately comes to mind.

Newcastle will be almost at full strength next Monday night, although Remy will not make the game and it looks like Argentine International Jonas Gutierrez will still be injured.

Here’s what Alan said today:

“Look at Manchester City and their outlay.” “There’s a statistic that they have spent £400M just on strikers over the last six years. It’s phenomenal.”

“But actually, when we get to Monday, August 19, they can only put a couple on.” “They won’t put four on – although they might do over the course of the game – but it’s still 11 versus 11.”

“You must always enter every game in the belief that you can go and win it. I’ve always done that. Even last year when we were really struggling for confidence and even personnel we had to enter the game with a game plan and a belief you can win.”

“Trust me, we will be looking to do that next season too.” “Finishing fifth that year when you look back at it, wow it’s going to be very difficult to replicate but our ambition must be to replicate that.”

We don’t think many Newcastle fans will be expecting too much from our first game next Monday night, but a decent result there would be a great way to start the season.

It reminds us of the start of the 2008-2009 season under Kevin Keegan, when our first game was at Manchester United and we played very well and scored first, before gaining a very creditable 1-1 draw.

Of course disaster happened two weeks later when Kevin left the club, and we finally were relegated the following May.

The same thing will not happen this season, but we’d be happy enough with a point at the Etihad Stadium next Monday.

What do you think?

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397 responses so far ↓

  • 1 pawl250 // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Hope its true (Alderwield), but not likely…. hardly a credible source.

    Of course even it is true does not mean we actually will get him, given his apparent high self esteem.

    I think Gomis deal is gone, unless Lyon drop the fee we are paying to compensate whoever is asking for money. We will see.

    Hoping for a striker though.

    Gouffran, Cisse, Remy, Shola, Campbell looks weak to me.

  • 2 Belfast // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Think your mate Mike needs to open his wallet, if we’re going to try and replicate the 5th place finish Alan.

  • 3 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Belfast…I don’t think money can save us mate! sorry!

    …yes, it wouldn’t hurt, but with Pardew it’s just like pissing your pans; at first it’s warm and kinda nice, but then it gets cold, sticky and uncomfortable! 🙂

    *That money would probably be better spend at charity lol

  • 4 Rowan Milsted // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:23 PM


    I forget exactly where but you could always ask Kinnear. It’s the bit-of-ground-under-a-rock he vacated when we offered him the DoF job.

    Ha, ‘Ask Kinnear’ … could be like the new ‘Ask Jeeves’ but with less accurate information and a lot more swearing.


    I think that it’s going to be incredibly tight this season between about 6th and 12th. A couple of wins could make a huge difference in the final PL standings. Saints need a striker and Swans have Europa to worry about; Everton have a new boss and L’pool might not have Suarez (and if they do he’ll be playing begrudgingly) but I expect them all to be very competitive. West Brom, too.

    I think that Chelsea will win it, City second and then… I’m not sure. Arse need to sign someone; if Spurs keep Bale and Arse donlt make a decent signing I can see Spurs usurping them.

    As for us… I’ll say 9th.

  • 5 Rowan Milsted // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    And as for the above statement –

    “You must always enter every game in the belief that you can go and win it. I’ve always done that. Even last year when we were really struggling for confidence and even personnel we had to enter the game with a game plan and a belief you can win.”

    – hmmm. I’m not so sure about that.

    Anyway, I’m off for a bit. It’s been another exciting morning on the transfer front…

  • 6 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Save it Pardew . He is one of the most defensive managers I have ever seen and plays two out and out DM’s at home FFS . I think we had 1 shot on target against City away last year and we spent the rest of the game in our own half.

    His comments get me more and more angry . He talks a good game but can’t back it up. Guy is a moron.

  • 7 Owldman // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    Anyone know why the game with Liverpool was played behind closed doors?

  • 8 jackostoon // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    Morning all,
    Swore blind I’d never go to a bar again to watch the lads, one gets rather vociferous and emotional after a few beers, but unfortunately I have to go to Gainsborough Monday and Tuesday so he better go out and give it ago or there will be a big bloke sitting in the corner with a toon top on crying in his beer, that’s if they have bars doon there

  • 9 Slank // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM


    oonarmydownsouth @ Geordiemark

    Reading between the lines from the figures it looks like the club were heading for self financing, helped by having no external interest charges and Ashley not taking out what was due to him, but the recent January transfers (purchase costs and wages) may have made a sizable dent in the balance sheet and took their long term plan off at a tangent. It could be that this as restricted JFK in how much he can spend.

    From the figures, it looks like Ashley will not be putting any more money into the club. Also, it’s not entirely clear that he will sell anytime soon, but of course if the right offer comes in he possible will .

  • 10 pawl250 // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM


    I say 8th to 10th, so I agree 9th would be realistic.

    I do think West Brom will be in trouble this year.

    If I had to guess roughly….. I would say the following

    2.Manchester City
    3.Manchester United
    8.West Ham
    12.Aston Villa
    16.West Brom
    17.Hull TIGERS! oof, look at that!
    18.Stoke City
    19.Cardiff City
    20.Crytsal Palace

  • 11 toon kk // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Time we got a grip and realise we’ll get ripped apart by city. How can a penny pinched badly coached squad compete. We’re in for a hard season with a small squad and a poor manager.

  • 12 jackostoon // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    toon kk,
    I’ll just stay in the hotel room then lol.

  • 13 Slank // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Owldman @ 7

    May be Liverpool were being kind to us as they didn’t want our fans to experience another humiliation?

    Behind closed doors is much cheaper as no police and stewards are required.

  • 14 Slank // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:39 PM


    That table looks about right. The top 7 looks bang-on. Not so sure about West Ham though.

    I will be very surprised if Swansea is not affected by the Europa League. I agree about Stoke. They look like they are wedded into a certain way of playing and it could a manager better than Hughes, a few years and different players to change their style.

  • 15 VanToonMan // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    Anyon else think we should be aiming to get a first-choice Centre-back (Toby A. would be good) and partnr him with Colo….then put Mbiwa as first-choice left-back as I think he showed in those last couple of games in the season that he is better than Santon at Left-back. He can attack and we would be much more solid at the back.

    Obviously when injuries take place he can move into Centre-back and Santon can come in.

    A first choice CB, LW and ST…without selling Cabaye….and our squad is complete for a top 6 push in my opinion.

  • 16 G.unit // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Just like we did last year when we played them away, AP!!

    One on the most shocking displays of the season. Hang on……

    Forgot about Sunderland and Liverpool at home. I can distinctly remember us playing with two defensive midfielders against Liverpool at home!!
    Will never forget that game for the lack of effort both on the pitch and the touchline!!
    However, I will still be glued to the tv screen on Monday night. You just never know!

  • 17 pawl250 // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM


    I think West Ham will improve with the signings made, I mean if Carroll stays fit I am certain under Sams style he would be a massive asset to the club.

    I think they will do well. I mean the bottom line between 8th and 17th I would imagine a 10 point gap? Not much in the grand scheme of challenging top 7, to relegation!

  • 18 Slank // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Coming back to the article I find this match really hard to call.

    Ordinarily, Man City should walk it based on their home form over the last two seasons and our away form last season but will Man City be playing differently under Pelegrini?

    Will we play 4-3-3 or 4-5-1? The team almost picks itself apart from the left side because Remy and Jonas are both injured. Will Pardew go with Goofy or be daring and play Dummitt at left back with Santon pushed ahead as an ersatz wingback?

  • 19 Spartak Miserable // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    @tookk – about time someone speaking sense – top comment

    Sense has been seldomly spoken on these blogs in recent times!

  • 20 Spartak Miserable // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Toon KK ***

  • 21 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    You know what, for once, well said Pardew. Its 11v11, even if they are 50m pound men, they are still just men. We all know its going to be very difficult to win, or even get a draw, but if we work our socks off and play to the best of our abilities we might just pull something off.

  • 22 numba9 // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Prob bid 5 mil for Toby alderwld knowing Liverpool are going to come in and bid more sure yesterday it was spoken about

  • 23 mattyNUFC // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:57 PM


    you’re completely right. love the optimisim. something tells me that since the braga game, APs totally changed his methodologies and turned a page. I mean, he had all preseason to do it, I know (or at the least experiment) but he didn’t, but NOW he has! I just know it! working socks off = 3 points!! nevermind the rest….

  • 24 Slank // Aug 14, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    VanToonMan @ 15

    I do think we should be aiming to get a first-choice centre-back and yes Toby A. would be good but I disagree about having Mbiwa at left back.

    At left back we have Santon, Dummitt and Haidara. Even Raylor can play there but we only have four centre backs and Colo may be off at the end of the season and Willo is a player who Pardew only uses when there are no others available.

  • 25 Belfast // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    I think Man City will tank us if I’m honest. New manager looking to impress etc etc

    Apart from the Man City game the fixtures have been very kind to us this season in my opinion.

  • 26 mattyNUFC // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    ok, this is long, but good. taken from after the Braga match….Niall and Biffa’s take. If you guys don’t read their full match reports and the ‘waffle’ section, I highly reccomend it. here’s their take on preseason and the long season ahead:

    So, what we learnt since the side first took to the field at Motherwell in mid-July? Remarkably little.

    The biggest positive in terms of Alan Pardew’s standing with the fans since last season limped to its miserable conclusion is a certain collective sympathy for having been landed with JFK the pantomime villain (or ‘Billy the Fib’, as he’s referred to in some quarters….)

    On reflection, that’s not really much better than crouching in a doorway accompanied by a dog with a bandaged paw. And although Kinnear’s outbursts have been a mild diversion so far this summer, once he gets past oblique references to others failing to get bodies over that mythical line, Pardew will once again have the spotlight all to himself once the transfer window shuts.

    On that basis he’s going to have to buck his ideas up quickly, although this week’s excuses were at least original: the wrong sort of lawnmower at Ibrox and the wrong sort of opposition here today – Portuguese teams lacking the intensity required for Premier League preparation. That’ll be why we’ve played three of them this pre-season and faced Braga in 2012.

    As ever round these parts there are more questions than answers and we’re deluded enough to think that two pages of comments from captain Colo in the match programme would have found space in amongst the meaningless platitudes about great fans supporting the team pre-season in Portugal etc. to mention San Lorenzo and his own personal future.

    The reliance on Shola Ameobi and Jonas Gutierrez in pre-season is as depressing as it is predictable, while the bit-part players such as Marveaux, Obertan and Anita remain enigmatic. However the true folly of this pre-season is perhaps summed up in the positive impression made by the fringe trio of Paul Dummett, Sammy Ameobi and Dan Gosling.

    Although raised by Pardew beyond the realms of reality, Dummy has done absolutely nothing wrong and benefited from his time in Scotland. But like Sammy and his less than sparkling loan spell at the smoggies, it’s all meaningless in terms of the real stuff.

    In normal circumstances they won’t be involved, because they’re not good enough. End of. Go back 12 months and it was James Tavernier, Romain Amalfitano and Mehdi Abeid who ended pre-season with glowing report cards and high hopes.

    The fact there’s absolutely no excuse for not playing full-strength sides in both domestic cup competitions this season means that the fringe lads really shouldn’t get a look in, unless United become active in the transfer market and squad numbers become available.

    Gosling takes the biscuit though – looking among our best performers when getting on the field, despite the still-unexplained breakdown of his move to Crystal Palace. Presumably he’s busting a gut to try and get away, but something of his industry would have been nice to see from a few of his more illustrious colleagues in recent weeks, in particular the liability that is Cheick Tiote.

    The uncomfortable reality is that in the absence of any permanent additions to the squad, toon fans have been left to evaluate the recruitment process that’s gone on at other Premier League clubs.

    Rather than the likes of Spurs and Liverpool though, the focus is on comings and goings at Hull, Palace, Norwich, Cardiff, Stoke and the mackems – looking to make a case for three sides to finish below us. That certainly appears to be the summit of Mike Ashley’s ambition – just to be making the numbers up at the Premier League party, travelling in third class on the gravy train.

    It seems to have been largely forgotten that we finished five points off relegation last season, securing our top-flight status in the 37th game. At this point, nothing has changed since last season. And God knows there was plenty in need of alteration.

    The blip was explainable though (apparently), due to injuries and the Europa League. Our thinking this season is therefore to reduce the squad size by getting rid of regulars like James Perch and Danny Simpson (due to the fact we’ll be playing less games) but keep hold of said injury-prone players. Those who saw the January player influx as August’s business done early were right.

    While there’s much gnashing and grinding of teeth round these parts over the lack of transfer activity though, we remain as concerned by the fact there’s little or no discernible pattern of play throughout the club. A failure to effectively organise and deploy the resources we possess is the real hangover from last season, along with deficiencies in taking and defending set pieces.

    A straw poll of those still actively watching suggests that the club has succeeded in dampening expectations to an alarming degree, with the most optimistic viewpoint suggesting consolidation amid the expected off-field blood-letting.

    PS: after further expressions of respect today, can we now please put away the universal cloak of Sir Bobbyness, curtailing all wistful references from managers and players in interviews to Robson’s time in charge of Newcastle, Barcelona, England and/or the Festival of Britain Electricians XI.

    He was great, it’s all great, the charitable legacy is great. Attempts by his successors to summon up his spirit however are unwelcome, unhelpful and crass. The only sentiment expressed that struck a chord with us was that he would be greatly saddened by this shell of a football club, continuing to reduce the off-field head count despite the apparent financial bonanza.

    If they rename the ground again, we’d be tempted to suggest Bleak House.

  • 27 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    I can’t believe people are still trying to justify Mashleys actions, the guy said he was going to put 20M a year in the only thing that he’s got going is that interest free loan which believe me is totally geared toward his favour.

  • 28 JackButler // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    And the prize for stating the fcuking obvious goes to Alan Pardew

  • 29 Slank // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:08 PM


    Do you know whether the amounts paid out in the January transfer window were part of the £20m per year?

    Were the January purchases (albeit in the 2012/2013 season) part of the 2012 year or the 2013 year?

  • 30 hungrier than Cisse // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    @21 & 23

    duluded optimism is fine as long as it is recognised as that

    Pardew has done nothing show we are going to be more attacking, we finished fifth because we had three up top and won 2-0 repeatedly. He subsequently ditched this in favour of playing one up front at home (which should never happen) with Cisse and Shola as wingers (at different times).

    Simply the man is an inept manager, second rate coach and getting off lightly because JFK is even worse

  • 31 OhSholaAmeobi // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    i’m actually fairly optimistic. okay pardew’s still in charge, but we have almost no injuries and a stronger squad and we will probably bring in either a striker or a winger (or both, christ!) before the deadline. the main player for me is coloccini.
    forget sunderland, however much they;ve spent or whatever, they have a stupid american in charge who let bruce and o’neill blow £50m each on crap. the only ‘signing’ they’ve made in my book is giaccherini.

  • 32 Our Toon // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Klatoon: You miss my point, we shouldn’t have to accept the better players leaving, the player is under contract and still has a few years to run on it why do we have the need to sell especially when you here rubbish like “we need to balance the books” well books are balanced and we have started to spend less. Some players are just indispensible, Bale, Suarez, Rooney, prime examples of ridiculous bids and their respective clubs rejecting the bids….Why accept he is leaving?

    The reason we advertise our players openly (Pards in almost every interview) is because the board know as fans we are fickle and will never vote with our feet, we condone the boards behaviour by paying for things like season tickets etc (Something I haven’t done this season)!! People on here will say support the team/badge etc, if you really believed that then you would want this mob out and the only way you do that is BOYCOTT, not all will agree but the ones that don’t agree please don’t complain that about decisions made by the board as you are indirectly condoning these decisions by spending your hard earned cash on match days, shirts etc!!

    The interest free loan saves us £20m a year in interest charges, proof is in the pudding, when Ashley said he would spend £20m every season what he probably meant was I’ll save you’s from spending £20m on interest charges, I’d rather pay that £20m on interest and sign players than not spend on players and save

  • 33 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    I missed that over, very good read and fairly summs up the situation, they’re normally fairly impartial but that is our decline, they’re probably two of the loyalist fans out there attending games home and away for years, even low full meg would find it hard to call them two SMB’s for voicing there opinions.

  • 34 mattyNUFC // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:13 PM


    yup. pretty much sums it up.

    31 – oh shola

    you’re fickle if you don’t believe PDC is whipping that whole club into shape while we continue to regress on the back of APs ego and MAs lack of ambition

  • 35 JAMSHA // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    i say we might finish 11-14th…. but not in top 10

  • 36 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    However which way you dress it up the squad isn’t as strong as the 20M investment he promised should have us.

  • 37 mattyNUFC // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:18 PM


    i was annoyed in the past with their rather lenient views of an increasingly dire situation midway through last year. they’ve never sounded so defeated. how others can be optimistic in our current plight is beyond me. and for the ones who still believe this is part of some five year or longer term plan, give me a break. there is no rhyme or reason to this circus, no method to the madness, simply survival.

    sept1st 2012 i still wanted to believe MA had our interests in mind. above all else, his retention of pardew speaks more to his disregard and negligence for and to this club than any other act or measure

  • 38 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Wow, I clearly stated we would be lucky to get a win or even a draw if we played to the best of our ability. Some people on here must lead very boring self limited lives.

  • 39 numba9 // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Slank I think what we spent in Jan should in down as what we never spent last summer this summer is a new start but I think jk is not justifying his wages even went on holiday when window opened. Shows lack of ambition or lack of planning prob both

  • 40 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    I’ve always thought they’ve been a good read but thought that they had to try and take a neutral stance, or best they could because of their links to the club but I think this is going to far now, if they really surprise us and bring in three more quality players surely the only reason for leaving it so late would be to save on wages or bank on that fabled bid for Cabaye, who is being entrusted with these decisions and who is in on the act.

  • 41 Spartak Miserable // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    Agree with MattyNUFC and Hungrier Than Cisse.

    Id rather be realistic than optimistic. I don’t think its a case of these having ”boring limited lives” its a case of them telling the harsh reality of the situation. Well done lads!

  • 42 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    Jail, it really is a shame he never lived up to the 20m a year investment. I remember being excited by his youth development promises

  • 43 mindshaft // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    Hmm Pards already setting himself up for defeat – we’ll play 4-5-1 although more likely we’ll play 9-0-1 after 5 mins – we might escape with a 0-0 draw if they aren’t feeling up to running about but unlikely – it might even be worth playing our 2nd string and saving the 1st team for West Ham at home, this would have a two fold benefit of not affecting confidence and also no injuries.

    Man City game is a defeat regardless of who we play

  • 44 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM


    City 4 Nufc 0

  • 45 SeanNufc87 // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Same old same old eh?

    We still talking about how mike ashley has ruined the club… still talking about how inept the manager of the season last year is… still going to get relagated because we haven’t brought any players in and the window is obviously shut.

    I understand everybody’s frustration here, I do, really, but the new season for us is 5 days away, haven’t we got better things to be talking about than who lands on what side of the fence and going around and around in circles?

    Up the toon.

  • 46 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Next seasons kit for PL teams

    I kinda like the classic looking once from Citeh, Man Utd., Spurs and Liverpool. And what was Norwich thinking lol

  • 47 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:34 PM


  • 48 Noah Another Ameobi // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Pardew says he wants fear factor at newcastle again

  • 49 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    If we did we’d be talking about them !

  • 50 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    We haven’t managed to concede eight yet under Ashley I wonder if we’ve been saving that one for an opener.

  • 51 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    I knew someone was going to come out with that bullsh!t, ‘I’m a realist not a pessimist’. Blah blah blah.

    I clearly stated we would have to be lucky to get anything against City. That IS realism. It’s hardly blind optimism. If you start saying we don’t have a chance then your defeated before you even start.

    Saying we are going to get hammered by City isn’t being a realist, saying we will probably get hammered by City is being a realist.
    What are people saying here? We have no chance. We’ll get thumped.
    It’s boring, give it a rest, go kick your dog, shag your missus or far more likely go and get personal with a dirty sock.

    Hear crap like this far too often:
    Linked with Alderweireld – ‘No chance we’ll sign him’
    Couple of transfer deals go sour – ‘We aint signing anyone’
    Dont do great in pre season – ‘We won’t be in the top half’
    And so on…

  • 52 JP...from The Rock // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    I hope your game plan isn’t hoof it up to Strolla and hope for a miracle or rely on Gutierrez throughout the season to whip in some fabulous’ crosses into the box Alan!

    Players that I pray get replaced with real quality are; Strolla, Obertan and Willo.

    They are average at best with Strolla below average.

    If you replace them with quality Alan then I’ll have more faith in your game plan.

  • 53 Noah Another Ameobi // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    my team for city would be

    ————anita— cabaye— sissoko———–
    HBA—————— cisse————– gouffran

    mbiwa at right back because i think debuchy wouldn’t be able to deal with city and mbiwa has played rb before

  • 54 DokToon // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    gmorning all,

    nice to see a glimmer of positivity once again today….

    kryst, its a wet hen convention in here…

  • 55 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Pardew’s master game plan for the Man City game, defend on our 18yard box as long as possible, when we concede the inevitable first goal, defend deeper.

    Fingers crossed Fatty Ben Arfa or Papa Cisse can score a brilliant individual goal at some point so it looks like we had a worthwhile attack.


  • 56 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    People should really stop posting their teams, its pointless as we all know Tiote and Jonas will never ever be dropped as long as Pardew has a heartbeat.

  • 57 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    check the toastie, Jonas isn’t fit for the City game. I suppose you think Pardew would have him out there on crutches if he got the chance?

  • 58 SeanNufc87 // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Anyone else look at our ratings then scroll to scumberlands on the ratings of the new strips?

    I knew last season was a blip and we’re already beating them again 😉

  • 59 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    I know a lot of people want Cardozo from Benfica but would anyone else take Lima ? . Very good player IMO.

  • 60 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Dok, tell me about it mate, don’t think the comments section on the blog has much life left. Will have to wait until the season actually starts to see if anything changes.

  • 61 tweaked // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    going there to win, AP must be on the crack pipe

  • 62 SeanNufc87 // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:58 PM


    Jesus H, change the damn record, I dont think iv ever seen you comment about something other than a pardew related jibe.

    If toby comes who does he replace?

  • 63 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Sean, its hard to mess up the home kit. The away kit and 3rd kit both are an improvement in my opinion, even with that Wonga logo ;).

    Worst kit for me is Liverfool away.
    I actually like the Swansea away kit. Purple and gold ooze class and power!

  • 64 martoon // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Check – I asked you a question the other day but you never replied. If we sack Pardew then what? Either
    JFK replaces Pardew
    JFK is tasked with finding a replacement manager – how long will that take?
    MA brings in another one of his drinking/betting cronies.

    I think we would be even worse of than we are now!

  • 65 DokToon // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:00 PM


    wuold love just one day on here to hear we are supporting our club, without the usual, :pardew out”, “MA has ruined this club”, “were going to get hammered”…. lord god, its worse thans listening to my wife ask for money….

    well i dont care about the rest , i will go into monday, being positive, and if we win, effin spectacular, if we lose, 37 more games to play… at least im supporting my club without being a spoiled brat…

    i have to watch MLS soccer here… some of you ppl take it for granted what you have over there… MLS isnt bad, but nowhere near the prem….

    rant over, cmon, hammer me…

  • 66 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    BPC, he scored that screamer against us (cheers Santon)… But seriously, I have only seen him play against us. He looked lively, but he wasn’t on for that long was he? Had pace and wasn’t scared to take a man on. Would definitely add to our squad.

  • 67 SeanNufc87 // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:06 PM


    Very true mate, gold and purple was the mighty ducks colours if I remember right!


    Well said, iv taken the week off to fully appreciate the game as I was going to miss it otherwise!

    Howay the lads!

  • 68 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    Dok, I watched NY Red Bulls v Colombus Crew the other day. I thought NY might have actually been a decent side, I know they have some pretty high profile players. Colombus looked okay, the finish by Higuain was sublime. Although the overall pace of the game was really slow and the crossing was shocking.

    I quite enjoy watching the NFL. Baseball takes too long though

    Totally agree, if we take anything from City its a bonus and we should treat it that way. Its certainly possible even though unlikely.

  • 69 toon kk // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    What do people think will happen if Remy and Cisse are both injured at the same time? I know they’ll survive off scraps anyway. We could be in real difficulty. I still think MA is gambling with our premier league status through being a tight tw@t.

  • 70 Thump // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    How can we replicate that season where we finished fifth if we’re still looking for a like for like replacement of Ba? Remy’s good, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think he’s the kind of player who can nick goals like Ba can. Same goes for Cisse, really. He looks a shadow of his former self.

  • 71 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    toon kk, I dont think there is anyone on here who doesnt believe we are dangerously short up front.

  • 72 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Thump, yeah we need a nother central striker brought in. Remy is more of a Bellamy type.

    Disagree on Cisse, think he was treat badly by Pardew. It was always going to be difficult for him to replicate the form of the previous season. That meant he had heaps of pressure on his shoulders to score goals, being played on the wing made that nearly impossible.
    He starts playing centre forward because we sold Ba. Means even more pressure. He started playing centre forward when we were playing terribly as a team.
    He still managed to score some vital goals in the second half of that season.

  • 73 Our Toon // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    DokToon, optimism will only get you so far….then realism hits!! Nothing we did last season has given me hope for optimism unfortunately, no interest in strengthening the squad and nothing new tried in friendlies….same hoof ball!! If we weren’t so passionate about our club we wouldn’t get as disheartened as we are now!!

    We are going nowhere fast!! the facts are that if we don’t do anything this season, Collo, Benny, Cabaye, Sissoko, Cisse to name a few will want out!! Lack of ambition off the pitch will be reflected in poor performances on the pitch just like last season!!

  • 74 numba9 // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Scot Sinclair what r we waiting for and gomis let none leave and we would look a good side

  • 75 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    OurToon, yeah but without optimism its almost very difficult to achieve anything worthwile. Last season was dire, its understandable that no one is particularly positive. And your right, pre season hasn’t done much to alter that perspective.

    But theres no point in writing the season off before its already begun. And there is still plenty of time to make some more signings.

  • 76 DokToon // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:26 PM


    maybe im thinking last season was an aberration, not the norm… i guess its how i choose to see things, in football and in life… we beat citeh, and i swear a few of the doommongers, will be on saying ‘”i knew it all along..”

    anyhting can happen on any given day, were down, but nowhere near out… and at least were not mackems 🙂

    tinman, as iv said i live in houston so i do go to alot of dynamo games, was there houston v stoke city as well… MLS isnt bad, but its not the technical quality as the prem, just my opinion…

  • 77 boater // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    JP.. from the rock. Still bullwhipping the easy targets I see – who are… anyone? anyone? wait for it… average AT BEST. Wow it’s like Wittgenstein, Einstein and Chomsky have merged into one person and taken to the subject of NUFC – and ruminated as to where it’s all going wrong for the club.

    You illuminate us with your searing insights Professor football. – Not at all resorting to stinking festering aged cliched themes, disloyalty, and putting personal subjective angry clouded vision in front of reasoned thought.

  • 78 Thump // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    @Tinman: Completely agree on Cisse. He’s got it in him but he’s massively lacking in confidence for whatever reason. I’ll always remember that penalty miss at Norwich. I saw it float over the bar, turned to my mate and said “He’s going to struggle this season.”. He knows he can do it but something is holding him back. The club should probably invest in a top notch sports psychologist to try and get the very best out of the lads – especially if we’re keeping Squidward.

  • 79 toon kk // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    Our Toon
    True words in players will want to be away. Sad thing is alot of our squad players would look so much better in a different team with the right manager. Look at W.R at Swansea.

  • 80 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    numba9, two players off looking like a good side with 2 1/2 weeks to get them isn’t too bad. Not ideal, the sooner the better, but there is still plenty of time.

  • 81 Nufc-83 // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    Pardew said we would try to win every game last season then he would send out a defensive minded team and we would spend all game getting battered. The man is probably one of the best BS’s i have come across and if he gets sacked would be top salesman every month at a used car showroom. What an absolute clown the man is.

  • 82 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Thump, sounds like Torres eh? Links in very well with a documentary I watched last night on BBC1. Clark Carlisle about footballs suicide secret. Gave you quite an insight into how tough it can be psycologically on top players. Had a touching part about Speedo as well.

  • 83 toon kk // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Because we play defensive football on the back foot, not the front foot that Pardew thinks we play, hoofball is the only way to get the ball up the pitch.
    Maybe it’s because we lack pace it’s the only way Pards Can think of too get the ball moving.

  • 84 Rooster // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Mr Pardew, you will be looking not to loose as usual, first things first eh!

  • 85 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    martoon – will worry about what Fat Mike does with his next apointment after he gets rid of Pards, you never know he might surprise you and give Frank De Boer an 8 year contractt and tell him to shake up the club.

    Not bothered in speculating what comes next i just want Pardew out as we are going nowhere with him in charge. I will worry about JFK and Mick Harford once they are appointed (couldnt do any worse), if they are shite as well then they will also get the bullet, moving on to the next disaster.

    I would sooner go into the season with any change rather than have a season the same as the last. Appoint somebody like Zola, would get our lads playing offensive football, that is not to much to wish for. Is It?

  • 86 Wayayman // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    I was quietly optimistic about the new season until I went to the Braga game. Me and my kids travelled up from London for it (I’m from Byker but live down here) and it was my 8yr old daughter’s fist game as she’s been dying to go. The kids were hyped up for it, had good seats in the Leazes end and then the game started…

    Christ on a bike! That line up was defeatist (4-4-2 without natural offensive wingers!) and we looked shocking in MF with zero creativity until Cabaye came on second half. Jonas (easy target i know) but talk aboput predictable down the left. Santon and him keep occupying the same 10 feet of grass when one of our CM’s had the ball. Jonas would often even go towards Santon when he saw that he would receive the ball. Not one run taking a defender away from the man with the ball. Never creating space for him to run into.
    Jonas is not a winger anymore, he was decent last season in CM when he had to play there though. Ben Arfa is not a winger either, he’s totally wasted out there and needs to play centrally as he naturally drifts inside anyway.

    And fitness! The players looked sluggish and lazy, like they couldn’t be ar$ed. My 10 yr old son turned to me at half time and said if we play like that against City it will be worse than last season.

    It’s going to be a long, hard slog till Christmas, when Pardew the master tactician gets sacked. Then the fun will begin…

  • 87 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    @check the toastie

    Pardew looks to be the bookies favourite to get the chop, and when he does JFK gets the job. While i want Pardew out, i really dont think JFK will be any better, in fact it think he would be worse. If he stays or goes were gonna be stuck with a s***e manager.

  • 88 toon kk // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    I’m afraid we’re stuck with Pards for the foreseeable future. He fits MA yes man needs. Any decent manager would want more ambition than he would get at Newcastle.

  • 89 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    paul24…dear lord I remember when the mouthpiece that is JFK was our manager; Shearer couldn’t even save us after what we had been through (The Chosen one wouldn’t be able to save us)

    …I honestly don’t understand why he is back! oh well of well, no need to cry over spilled milk it won’t change anything anyway 🙁

    I just hope to God Pardew gets us flying this season (JFK back would just be too much to bear)

  • 90 count // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM


    “The interest free loan saves us £20m a year in interest charges, proof is in the pudding, when Ashley said he would spend £20m every season what he probably meant was I’ll save you’s from spending £20m on interest charges, I’d rather pay that £20m on interest and sign players than not spend on players and save”

    That is, in all possibility, the most ridiculous thing I’ve read on here.

    Keep whining you bunch of fantasists. It’s hilarious.
    Actually it is tragic, but never mind.

  • 91 josh // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    Check can you teach me how to be as repetitive and boring as you are? Id love to learn how to spout the same stuff daily and end it with the same wuote day in day out. Truly riveting stuff.

  • 92 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:06 PM


    I hope Pardew can, but i cant see it happening. I hate to say it but i can see things going tits up this season, i just hope the injuries dont start coming thick and fast, then we should be good for a mid table finish.

  • 93 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    Why not just play Jonas, deep midfielders, hoof the ball to the other end of the pitch when it comes near and then desperately hope one of our good players does something special?


  • 94 Pokat // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    Neill and Biffa i have found to be pretty level and reassuringly unsentimental when it comes to analysing Toon stuff. –

    “That certainly appears to be the summit of Mike Ashley’s ambition – just to be making the numbers up at the Premier League party, travelling in third class on the gravy train.

    It seems to have been largely forgotten that we finished five points off relegation last season, securing our top-flight status in the 37th game. At this point, nothing has changed since last season. And God knows there was plenty in need of alteration.”

    Not much to disagree with there.

  • 95 Our Toon // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    I’m not expecting to win our first game and gutted its on a Monday though, but if we do get a result then fantastic. I can’t wait for the season to start just trying to stay grounded this season, last season my expectations were high and needless to say we were massively disappointed. So stay ground and maybe just maybe pleasently surprised by the end of it HOWAY the TOON

    Count: What was ridiculous about the interest free loan statement I made?

  • 96 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    It zaddens me to see how effective Mashleys propaganda machine is working, when people are posting that if we can stay clear of injuries a nice mid table finish should be on the cards 🙁

  • 97 count // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    You would rather be giving twenty million a year away in interest as well as getting into more debt.

  • 98 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    Bonjour messieurs.

    I just read the post of yesterday about Pard and the french speaking people in the dressing room…

    Remind me this famous scene of one of the greatest movie in history (a movie who made me love your country far much than a french is supposed to!):

  • 99 martoon // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Check – if we replaced Pardew with some of your suggestions then I would say great and be all for it. However you and I know it aint going to happen – if we sack Pardew now the club will be in much greater turmoil than it is now.

  • 100 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    @Jail for Ashley

    Mashley can take his propaganda and crawl up his own ar5e and die. What he does or says has no bearing on what i think, simply because i dont believe a word he says. As for what i said about a mid table finish, i’m just calling it like i see it 😉

  • 101 Pokat // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    Good poster on the other day that had been analysing our games and noted that changing FROM hoofball or rather direct play with service from the wings TO passing the ball around the back and building from deep was the problem. That and the fact we were as fit as a darts team. Think about it, people – hoofball is dead. Long live hoofball!

  • 102 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM


    I know its despicable. We are being out bid, out bought, outplayed, out managed, soon the Newcastle image will deteriorate that nobody would want to come here…

    its sad….. it doesnt take a brain surgeon to see NUFC is a business venture for Ashley nothing more. what has this club come to.

    Still hoping a billionaire is going to buy is with proper dreams of playing in the CL.

  • 103 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Josh – i agree, i maybe am a little repetitive, however dont think you can argue with the points i make. Unless of course you havent watched any of the football Pardew has generally served up over his 15 year managerial career.

    Looking forward to Pards breaking our ‘most games without a win’ record this year, he’s pretty good at that.

  • 104 voice of raisin // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Wednesday 14th August 2013:

    We, Get French Football News, can now confirm that Liverpool have approached both Mamadou Sakho and PSG about signing the player.

  • 105 count // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:44 PM


    Do you know what inflation is? It is a symptom of the attitude to life that you displayed in that quote.

    I resent having to be subject to inflation because of other peoples laziness/greed/sense of over entitlement.

    I really don’t care how much debt other clubs have. It is irrelevant to what I think is the decent way to live my life.

  • 106 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Team expected for Monday night?

  • 107 Our Toon // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    Count: Yes I would rather give away £20m and have an owner who is willing to invest in the club, rather than an owner who refuses to spend and saves £20m in interest.

    Someone mentioned Ashley Propaganda on here earlier and that’s exactly what “balancing the books is” Count what you going to do with all the money you save and we get relegated? 3 teams in the premier league who were breaking even/making a profit last year, us Swansea and Norwich, the other 2 have spent heavily this transfer window as every other club does, but we want to save not spend, penny pinch….this pleases you as a fan Count?

    Before you give the whole look at Leeds, Portsmouth etc scenario, Pompey were destined to fail have a capacity of 20k may be less and spending ridiculous amounts on wages and transfer fees. Leeds wanted to grow too fast, no one hear wants £100m invested every season, but we do expect a sensible amount to be invested £20m minimum. Which is a drop in the ocean to most clubs

  • 108 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    All I want to see is progress, and so far I havent seen any.

  • 109 Our Toon // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    Count: Personal debt and football debt are 2 completely different things, the toon borrowing money isn’t going to affect your life or your morals. I’m a Muslim and don’t borrow, and have an interst free mortgage but the club I support and love isn’t Muslim!! Inflation may well get passed onto fans and we all might have to pay a little extra but I would pay that bit extra to watch a better standard of football, with technically better players.

  • 110 coolrunnings // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    Should be packing defence and midfield for Citywith pace upfront for the counter attack. maybe something like;

    ——————Remy / Gouffy——————–

  • 111 DokToon // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    paul ,

    theres been progress, although in the grand race, a snail is beating us 🙂

  • 112 Pokat // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    Well its all very loud on here cant get a word in edgeways so I am orf.

  • 113 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    PArd’s team for Monday:


  • 114 DokToon // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    nia, jonas is hurt,

    oops, you said pards team… howd you leave out saylor then?


  • 115 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    My team:


  • 116 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    @Dok toon

    Ok for Jonas, so GOuffy on the left for his team.

    Concerning Saylor, it’s a tough choice, but think honnestly Pard will keep him on the bench.

  • 117 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:26 PM


    Not really in the grand scheme of things, if you look at where we finished under Shepard in his last few years compared with Ashleys reign I wouldnt say we’ve made any progress, fair enough Shepard was living beyond his means spending money we didnt have, but now we have gone from one extreme to another, now we have money to spend Ashley doesnt want to spend it.

  • 118 Rake // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    The style of footy we play is not pretty but we did get pretty far in europe and gave Benfica a good two games. We’re not as bad as some people make out problem is the potential is screaming at everyone in the face. More technical manger to manage our more technically gifted players which we have a good lot.

  • 119 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:43 PM

    I predict Ashley will collect the 60m+ next seasom from the tv deal etc, sell the club and F off.

  • 120 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    Im trying to hold off this blog at the moment as im totally belwildered as to how we seem to be setting us ourselves up for this season.

    Im well aware Mike Ashley is happy with mediocrity but without this striker(s) I think we will be lucky to hit the top half which would suit him perfectly but a terrible season to watch from the stands for us fans.

    My god, I hope the club really are taking in every ounce of importance for the need of a new top class striker.

    Talk about a lack of ambition. Dear me.

  • 121 BandB // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Mike Ashley should be knighted for services to football, and the folks at Wonga should be beatified.
    Alan Pardew is a great manager, and will never be sacked. The bookies are deluded.
    Appointing JFA is a masterstroke, and we’d all realize that if only we could begin to understand the God-like mind of a self-made billionaire.
    We play football that could best be described as affordable, and the positives in the forthcoming City game will outweigh the negatives, regardless of the result ……or the performance.
    Not signing players is the new signing players. It is the future.
    I will be delighted if we avoid relegation, as that would be a good effort. Who says we have a right to Premiership football anyway?
    We have always been a small club and it makes me laugh when people compare us to Spurs. Get a life, whingers.
    This is why I am a proper fan, and you are not. FACT
    I thought I’d share these insights with you all while I am 25 and still know everything.

    Happy now?….can I keep posting?

  • 122 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Time to show some courage lads. And to risk yourself saying how high we will finish in the league this season.

    Me first:


    I’m serious! I see us finishing 4th (top…) of the league.

  • 123 Marty-Toon // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    I think we will get annihilated at City
    Going out to win by AP’s standards is try score first and it back
    Never worked for us yet and won’t
    Had we a manager of Rogers,Martinez,Laudrup standard we would have within a year with the same squad seen a vast improvement on tactics and ability in the team
    I wold love to play the Bobby Robson card and get Villas Boas or Jose
    in and see what a decent coach could do but that’ll never happen.
    I think we will struggle this year and he’ll be sent packing but that’ll just open the door to JK ….that’d be fun

  • 124 low fell mag // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    Just a quick one, JKA
    Neil @ Biffa may sing from the same song sheet as yourself ,along with many others.
    I may be one of a minority at this time we speak,and more than likely Man City will beat us as expected, therefore I will get hammered.
    But I am very confident this side will kick on .
    The one signing I did want was Remy more than any body.
    With this man up front with Cisse @ Ben Arfa we will kill people.
    People like yourself forget that we were inches away from the semi finals of the Uefa cup.
    Yes you will tell me we were only x amount of points from being relegated but were we not x amount of points from a top ten finish, with a ravaged injured side .
    These players are now fit and along with Remy this side is as good as any side we have had for many a year.
    Neil @ Biffa might not be SMB, but there glass is half empty were mine is more than half full.

  • 125 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    @Marty toon

    All right, but the question is: what will be our standing at the end of the season?

  • 126 count // Aug 14, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Our toon.

    Our problem is not investment based, it is Pardew based. We have paid very good prices for some very good players all the while cutting back on ever increasing debt. I think our scouting and recruitment is not a problem area. The trouble is getting Pardew to utilise them to their potential.

    However, as I find the endless moaning about Pardew and ashley from some a bore. I will give over for now.

  • 127 count // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Also can people give over with the argument that we haven’t signed anyone, ’till the transfer window has actually closed at least. Stop wasting your breath.

  • 128 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:01 PM


    Not sure which 2 games you where watching, we had a good game at home but Benfica shat all over us in the second leg, we did have good periods but it was pretty clear we didnt stand a chance.


    If only, i’d be dancing in the street 😉


    I’ve never seen so much s***e in one paragraph, I hope your gonna wearing a nappy on your face if your gonna be going around talking like that.

  • 129 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    @Count and lowfell mag

    Yes, fascinating words, but how high will we finish this season?

    Come on lads, i can’t believe english lads are afraid to say their mind?

  • 130 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    @Paul 24

    same for you mate…


  • 131 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    So what? No one dare?

  • 132 BandB // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:07 PM


    Not is one paragraph. Those were the edited highlights…….:)

  • 133 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    Off topic

    To the people who have entered the fantasy prem…. did anyone else decide that van persie was too restrictive to creating a well rounded team?

  • 134 santonthenewmaldini // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Is anyone else as pleased as me that Jonas will not play at City?!?

    Gouffy on the left him and Santon together are actually a pretty good hardworking combo who can make stuff happen as well

    Although worryingly I actually have a feeling that Sammy will start on the left !!Hope i am wrong!!

  • 135 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Paul 24,
    I would familiarise yourself with Band B’s excellent writings before jumping to conclusions ,that post of hers was littered with more sarcasm than a club statement is lies (just).

  • 136 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Santonthenew et.c

    I think it has to be a front 3 off hba cisse and goofy… thats if he is serious about playing to win.

  • 137 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Also….. i want some of what bandb is smoking 😀

  • 138 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:14 PM


    Between 10-14th without a shed load of injuries. If the injuries do pile though i think we could be in a relegation fight again. Just my opinion, maybe i’m just pessimistic.

  • 139 Mister Tuff // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    niafron – my shout is anywhere between 10th and 14th based on the current players I’m not quite ruling out at this stage some new faces brought in at the last minute.
    greengrocer from the Heed – come on you as well put your money where your mouth is -what is your prediction.

    B&B (or should I now say nappy face) -some people do not get sarcasm.

  • 140 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:15 PM


    8th – 10th. Optamistically.

  • 141 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    Low Fell,

    Im with you on that. I hold the same opinion that last season was unfair to Pardew, he had alot going against him in terms of the set-up last summer, the injuries, a squad incapable of competing on all fronts. He was shit on from a great height by upstairs and lady luck.

    My beef lies with MA for not being ambitious and not given us a squad capable. Year after year we set-up poorly for the season ahead through poor planning and penny pinching in contracts and signings.

    With one quality striker and one left winger, preferably Scott Sinclair I think we will venture to 7th 8th.

    That is not a hard task. One winger, one striker for a club of Newcastle’s stature surely. It’s not shouting for millions upon millions to be spent. It’s simply just given us enough depth to compete in this league.

    The way we stand on the striker front. Our strikers are going to take knocks, we are weak here. Remy Shola? Remy Cisse? Cisse Shola? Gouffran is not a prolific striker, Shola will be lucky to grab 5-8 next year. Cisse and Remy is our strike force but once they take knocks which they will we are weak. Shola and Gouffran for me won’t pull up on any tree’s next season. Especially on the rd. We won’t play 4-3-3 all the time, maybe at home and against weaker competition on the rd WHEN we have the players available.

    One quality striker and one winger will make all the difference to next season.

    Fingers crossed, otherwise I see a very inept boring season ahead where we finish at best mid-table.

  • 142 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    @Jail for Ashley

    Well I took it hook, line and sinker, i’m gonna go sit in the corner 😛


    Sorry 🙁

  • 143 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    @Paul24 and mister tuff

    Same for both of you and it’s not really optimistic…

    Anyone got a different opinion or do everybody reckon we will struggle this season?

  • 144 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:19 PM


    8th to 10the

    Yes it sound more logic to me than 10th to 14th, but would be sade…

    In a way more dispointing than a fight to avoid relegation (don’t try to understand, french logic).

  • 145 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:20 PM


    I had a slightly higher finnish in mind (posted at 139)

  • 146 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:22 PM


    I think you are right to expect us to be 10th or above, with the players we have we should be easily top half, it is the performances that are poor. Whatever is to blame it has to improve this year.

  • 147 count // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    You mean where do I think we’ll finish if Pardew is here for the whole season…? Could be anywhere from 7th to 18th. Depends on our luck.

    I think these players could finish higher than sixth with a different manager but it isn’t really worth contemplating. It isn’t a matter of “not daring to say” it is more a matter of not having the time to waste thinking about it.

  • 148 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Lads, honnestly we got better player than most other teams in the league.

    Sure, the question is how to use them. This is why i closely scrutinized our preparation.

    And i seen some interesting stuff. I ask Lee Ryder on twitter and he told me things do really changed in training.

    So my opinion is the staff learned much from past season, but i could be wrong.

    Anyway, as we say in France, you can’t turn a donkey into a race horse, and i think the staff lack of some technical skills to improve our play, but nonetheless, i’m optimistic.

  • 149 BandB // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM


    I’m known as Pooface normally.
    But I’ll answer to nappy face.


  • 150 Mister Tuff // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    niafron – Think that surely some sort of logic must prevail (might be daft being logical about the Toon). Percy knows we are short of a few players and has said so -JK has had a good few weeks checking out players -AND using any research Carr has done. JK stated -when he was interviewed by Sky at the cricket charity game that he was contacting 3-4 agents a day. So adding all that up -surely must equate to some more additions at SJP. There surely must be some late signings. If not it is not looking good and a question mark must hang over the ambitions of the hierarchy.

  • 151 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:25 PM


    In fact i said 4th, was just quoting you by saying 8th to 10th.

  • 152 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Lads, you must also look at the other teams.

    Man u, city and CHelsea are out of reach, but Arsenal is far from his former glory, Pool is still in the middle of nowhere, Everton don not have Moise anymore and the Spurs are about to lose Bale and to reshape their whole team.

  • 153 Siremre5 // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:29 PM




    Ben Arfa___________________Marvoux

  • 154 Slank // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:30 PM


    ‘…I predict Ashley will collect the 60m+ next seasom from the tv deal etc, sell the club and F off…’

    What’s wrong with that?

    He owns the club so he is entitled to it’s profits and also cops its loses. Straightforward buying and selling. The next owner may do the same. The club is a commodity (not to the fans of course) to be bought and sold.

  • 155 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:31 PM



    I’d say we have probably the 6th or 7th best team in the league man for man, it’s just Pardew doesnt seem to be able to get the best out of them, and given his style, tactics and seemingly unending desire to play people out of position i’d say it’s a fair assumption that we might struggle.

  • 156 Munster Mag // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Prody, u are too tolerant of failure…Pardew has plenty of talent at his disposal but wont be able to make them creative. We will be bottom 7 , I reckon….

  • 157 Munster Mag // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Sorry, make that Prodigy, not Prody.

  • 158 RooneyToons // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    If we sign a striker and a winger i think we can realistically aim for between 6th and 9th.

    Our squad on paper is easily 7th best.

    Lets not joke ourselves and pretend that injuries weren’t the major problem of last season. The new fitness coach combined with the second season for the new lads and we’re gonna be just fine don’t you worry lads.

    We had the worst injury list by a long way last season… you cant even prepare for that amount. Obviously that wasn’t the only problem but i really think we’re gonna have a good season.

    Can’t wait.. bring it on

  • 159 Felipe // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Absolutely correct Rooney Toons. All these doom merchants will be eating their words come Christmas…

  • 160 Felipe // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    He played people out of position because of injuries. Give it a rest…

  • 161 bills-son // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Very good article from Olivier Barnard in the Chronicle on Santon,

    Prem managers and players, wingers and full-backs especially, will know Santon’s weaknesses inside out this season. It’s significant that Barnard says Santon was possibly our top player in the first half of last season – aye until he was sussed out in the second half.

    Santon is an absolute liability at left back and as long as he plays there we will have defensive problems. Simple as.

  • 162 Sir Braveheart // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    8th this year. Sunderland 9th, 2 points behind.

  • 163 niafron // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    Anyway, we will quickly have a first answer now…

    Got to go.

    Bonne soirée messieurs.

  • 164 bills-son // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    Rooney Toons,

    If we get a holding forward, a winger who will track back and a defensive left back (and switch Santon to right back) we’ll have potentially at a top 8 team.

    If we don’t bring those players in my prediction is 10-12th.

  • 165 papscrunt // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    Man U, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Swansea. Are all better than us. Norwich have bought well. Southampton, Fulham and West Brom also look decent. We seriously need additions to our squad. The Mackems have brought in a few (may take a while to gel) but the new tough training under Di Canio will improve them. Our squad is so thin, its going to be tough.

  • 166 Pokat // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Ha ha its hardly nuke science to suss out Santon. Good little player but still has a season or two before getting the hang of his rush of blood and flying up and not necessarily back down the wing. No wonder jonas is knackered covering for him and tiote at the same time!

    I think the most sussed is Pardew himself though, he seems to run out of options in the subs department. I think the fitness regime is a step forward but its the tactical ability of our setup which is a bit of a bridle to our lot. Get some tactical coaches in!

  • 167 Slank // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM


    I think too that we will be just fine. The January boys should be much wiser and much fitter now. Remember when Colo and Enrique first played. They were rubbish. It takes time to get used to a new country, new club, new players, new league and to some a new language etc.

    I would like to think that we could challenge Liverpool, Spurs and Everton but will not be too disappointed if we finish anywhere between 8 and 12th. Would love a good cup run too.

  • 168 RooneyToons // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM


    When we finished fifth and played our best we didnt have a holding striker. Ba on the left( now going to be Remy) Cisse in the middle and Benny on the right.

    The winger your talking about is Gutierrez he was the best defensive winger in the league that season people forget that… he looked like he was carrying a knock last season. I’m not saying he’s a world beater but you need a player like him in your team he does a lot of things that don’t show in the stats column… like tracking back and he always wins us fouls.
    He just needs to chill out on the crossing haha

  • 169 BandB // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:58 PM


    I agree with you about Santon.
    He scurries upfield, cuts inside, runs into trouble, drops his head and trudges SLOWLY back. More often than not.
    Jonas is the insurance policy. What would you prefer to see?
    I do keep asking you questions about football thingies…..but you always seems to miss them.

  • 170 Pokat // Aug 14, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Lets face it, Remy is our only surprise weapon, and the squad is actually lighter now. So what we have is a squad very familiar to the rest of the league.

    It stands to reason that we have to do something very different to last season in order to avoid the trapdoor again. And I mean a plan that doesn’t involve being marginally less crappy than three other teams.

    At the moment though, I’m not seeing it. Mind it’d be fantastic if JFK had secretly devised a stupendous formation that he and Pardew collaborated on to win the league and the FA Cup. Oops sorry drifted off there for a minute. 🙂

  • 171 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    @bills-son – a holding forward?! Wow, that really is defensive!

  • 172 Pokat // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    monday night is just sooooo far, far awayyyyyyy (echoey voice) ha ha ha.

  • 173 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:06 PM


    I don’t see Pardew as a major problem in all honesty.

    I see Pardew as a mediocre manager hitting his targets as he should be, which I have no doubt now is mid-table to suit MA main agenda of staying in the Premier League to advertise his main passion around the world, Sports Direct. Anything else is a bonus. There is no ambition.

    For me, the football we see, the safe-guarding leads, defensive minded tactics is all down to what we have had available and is just Pardew making sure we get the right amount of points on the board. This will keep Pardew in a job for years to come so long as we hit the mediocre targets that MA sets us. And the squad depth, wage structure, funds he allows.

    Im in the mindset If we were a club who had talent in abundance and had an excellent squad throughout to withstand such injuries and long term lay off’s then we would see much more ambitious football, tactics, formations. Sadly though, other than our main first 11 squad players, we do not have the resources.

    Limited ambition, limited resources = limited football to me.

    Just my two cents mate.

  • 174 Pokat // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    I suppose that fiscal prudence in an accepted recession should make us all jolly grateful that we will be sat comfortably in the middle row for years to come while we watch other teams either flying high in delirious glee or sinking to the depths of despair after placing their bets on the roulette wheel of ambition. Not for us. Grab a cushion, get comfy. It could be worse I suppose.

  • 175 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    @Toon-Prodigy – i agree to an extent. It’s Pardew’s lack of ambition and fear of losing his job/ reputation which makes him simply settle for the mediocrity.

    Other managers with limited budgets do create exciting football and bravely have a go at getting above their current position.

    The style of football is something I think Pardew has to be responsible for. Ashley obviously just wants anywhere from 17th up but as a manager Pardew should be brave and ambitious enough to be aiming higher than that.

  • 176 Pokat // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    go nufc – speaking of ‘hatem bomb’s, do you know what the atomic bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki was called? Apt I thought.

  • 177 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    My Prediction for the league –

    Chelsea – Jose Mourinho
    Arsenal – Arsene Wenger
    Man City – Manuel Pellogrini
    Man Utd – David Moyes
    Tottenham – Andre Villa Boas
    Liverpool – Brendan Rogers
    Swansea – Micheal Laudrup
    Everton – Roberto Martinez
    Southampton – Pochettino
    Fulham – Martin Jol
    Aston Villa – Paul Lambert
    West Brom – Steve Clarke
    West Ham – Fat Sam
    Scumberland – Paulo Di Canio
    Norwich – Hoots
    Cardiff – Malky Mackay
    Crystal Palace – Ian Holloway
    Hull City – Steve Bruce
    Stoke – Mark Hughes
    Newcastle – Alan Pardew

    Based on the respective merits of the teams managers, I believe the table may look like this.

  • 178 Pokat // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    @175 – agree with you there, just because Ashley says ‘try not to go any further down than 12 this time’ doesn’t mean Alan can’t have a secret bash at the top ten does it? Trouble is, top 12 is about his capability poor lad.

  • 179 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    Yes I do, you really think he’s that unfit?

  • 180 luke.r // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:17 PM


    your bias against Pards is absolutely ridiculous!

  • 181 Pokat // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    He looked a bit barrel-shaped to me against braga like. Think he’s getting fitter though, he was shocking end of last season,a real pie-troubler. 🙂

    @177 – blow me matey I may think Pards is a bit average but worse than Bruce, Mackay, Sparky AND Lambert. Pardew didn’t run over your dog did he?

  • 182 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    @check – I’d definitely put Mark Hughes and Steve Bruce below Pardew, but not many more to be honest.

  • 183 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    bollocks about Santon, the kid is class, but has to do all the creating down the left hand side as well as his job as full back as Jonas is simply poor and not good enough, they might as well swap positions over for all the useful attacking Jonas does.

    David Santon will go on to bigger and better things once he’s left this club. Anybody who cant see the lads undoubted ability has no idea. He is 21 and still learning to defend. If a creative midfielder was in front of him he could concentrate on defending rather than trying to force something from his side of the pitch. Jonas is the problem.

  • 184 RooneyToons // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Haha yeah Cheick come on lighten up…. Pardews not the best in the world but you don’t get premiership manager of the season for nothing

    Have you seen the previous winners??

    Season Manager Nationality Club Ref
    1993–94 Alex Ferguson Scotland Manchester United [30]
    1994–95 Kenny Dalglish Scotland Blackburn Rovers [31]
    1995–96 Alex Ferguson (2) Scotland Manchester United [30]
    1996–97 Alex Ferguson (3) Scotland Manchester United [30]
    1997–98 Arsène Wenger France Arsenal [32]
    1998–99 Alex Ferguson (4) Scotland Manchester United [30]
    1999–2000 Alex Ferguson (5) Scotland Manchester United [30]
    2000–01 George Burley Scotland Ipswich Town [7]
    2001–02 Arsène Wenger (2) France Arsenal [32]
    2002–03 Alex Ferguson (6) Scotland Manchester United [30]
    2003–04 Arsène Wenger (3) France Arsenal [32]
    2004–05 José Mourinho Portugal Chelsea [33]
    2005–06 José Mourinho (2) Portugal Chelsea [33]
    2006–07 Alex Ferguson (7) Scotland Manchester United [30]
    2007–08 Alex Ferguson (8) Scotland Manchester United [30]
    2008–09 Alex Ferguson (9) Scotland Manchester United [30]
    2009–10 Harry Redknapp England Tottenham Hotspur [34]
    2010–11 Alex Ferguson (10) Scotland Manchester United [30]
    2011–12 Alan Pardew England Newcastle United [9]
    2012–13 Alex Ferguson (11) Scotland Manchester United [30]

  • 185 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    luke. r – maybe I have gone a little overboard, however the point is if we are ever going to compete in the top half we need a progressive manager, not somebody who sits comfortably with the journeymen.

    Have to say mind JFK wouldn’t be much higher up eh 🙂

  • 186 north_country_boy // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Forget all the doom and gloom – surely getting Alderwield (£5m) Sinclair (£6m) and a striker (£7m+) isn’t too much to ask for (giving us a fantastic squad with quality cover for every position-even if Cabaye were to leave to pay for the aforementioned) and then look forward to a good season – only downside is I’m beginning to agree with alot of people on here that Pardew doesn’t have the nous to bring out the best in them. However if we have a bad start and Mashley has the balls to sack Pardew at least the tools will be there for the new guy to give us what we want!

  • 187 Indian Magpie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    As much as it Pains me but I can see CTT’s prediction about the table certainly about NUFC’s place.

  • 188 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    RooneyToons – two on that list stick out a little bit, Burley and Pardew eh, the rest have won things as soon as they started their managerial careers. Burley and Pards have never won jack shit and never will.

  • 189 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    I get the feeling that a lot of people on here watch the lottery at the weekend really believing that they are going to win.

    Its a nice way to view life but not very realistic. The odds are we will be no better than last year, why would we be, we finished it terribly, speculation on improvement is nothing more than blind faith.

  • 190 Pokat // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    May I offer condolences about the dog then. Sorry affair that 🙂

  • 191 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    Haha, Man Utd to finish 3rd? Are you mad? They’ll be lucky to finish in the top ten this season with that squad. Swansea, West Brom, Norwich, Everton and Liverpool have all strengthened and have better squads than Man Utd. They need to get their act together otherwise they’ll be in trouble. Reckon they need about 8 first team signings.

    Team for city:


    Debuchy Alderweireld Mbiwa Santon


    Ben Arfa Marveaux


    Cisse Benteke

  • 192 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    At the end of the day.

    Without ambition, funds, a wage structure that can bring top top players to the club, we are a mid-table outfit.

    It’s highly unlikely we will win anything without a huge amount of luck.

    In all honesty, I think Pardew would love to win us a trophy. It would do his CV no harm at all. He would be a legend here.

    He would love us to go all out every game. Of course he would.

    But at the end of it all he has an income to safeguard, his job, and he has been set medicore targets and is working to them which is what our unambitious owner wants. He is working under strict and very awkward circumstances.

    Mike Ashley does not care about trophies for NUFC and Pardew is not going to risk his job when he is already meeting his bosses targets.

    I certaintly wouldn’t. I’d place safety of my income before anyone else.

    The main problem is a lack of consideration and ambition first and foremost. Until that changes any manager who would come in would still be working towards the same targets and be working under the same constraints. It would still take a huge amount of luck to win any silverware. Who would join us apart from another mediocre manager who we would be taking a gamble on?

    We are what we are and Pardew is hitting his targets.

    We are in a vicious mediocre cycle that only one man is to blame for and it isn’t Alan Pardew. He is just a mediocre manager who has been plucked from obscurity to do a mediocre job.

  • 193 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Our preseason wasn’t against nearly good enough sides to prepare us for Man City. They’ll score at least 3 and we definitely won’t. I think that means we’ll lose Alan. Plan for the first 2 home games and we had better look half decent for your sake Mr. Pardew.

  • 194 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Kets is calling me mad, it appears I have hit new heights of stupidness, time for a break from the blog.

  • 195 RooneyToons // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Que FA cup win 😉

    Burley really was a flash in the pan as Ipswich had about 2 good players and we’re expected to get relegated. We were full of internationals and still are… besides Pardew is still a relatively young manager

  • 196 SeanNufc87 // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:35 PM


    You really have a special brand of negativity dont you? I know mackems with more respect for our club than you seem to have.

  • 197 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    Spot on @192 Toon Prodigy. It’s all sad but true. We will try to be mediocre and sit (hide?) in mid table under Ashley. He’ll get his money back, get bored a few years from now and move on. Hard on the supporters but he is a businessman after all.

  • 198 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Swansea will easily beat Man Utd on sat, infact I’m putting £250 on it.

  • 199 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Toon – the players our mediocre manager has at his disposal are excellent and mediocre performances shouldn’t be tolerated from our mediocre manager.

  • 200 luke.r // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:39 PM


    A little over the top? You said we’d get relegated and Pards is the worst manager in the prem. I’d rather have him than Big Sam or that dirty scum from S********d any day!

    He did get us to 5th and he got us playing good football in that season to! He deserves another chance and we all need to get behind the team!

    And on Santon, There’s no doubt the lads got potential but he really needs some more defending lessons. He improved a lot this season but his positioning is still a lot to be desired and he dives in too much for my liking but like I said, He could be great! Needs to work a lot harder since we’ve got 2 other left backs nipping at his heels.

  • 201 DokToon // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    BandB @ 121

    brilliant post, i could smell the sacrasm all the way here in texass… 🙂

  • 202 RooneyToons // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:42 PM


    So what changed from the season before exactly???

    Injuries and pardew not being able to play the 4-3-3 that was so fruitful that campaign.
    A bad workman blames his tools yes but if the tools are broken what can you do.
    Ever tried digging a tunnel with a corkscrew?

  • 203 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Its not the club Sean – have followed the club for 30 odd years mate, through lighting fires on the gallowgate and singing sack the board, to great years under Keegan and SBR, even enjoyed the first year under Hughton as we played to our strengths.

    If people can tolerate the shite team selections and shite performances that the manager has served up over the last 18 months then more the fool them, love the club but hate the shit state it is in.

    You carry on hoping Pardew is going to turn into the next Pep Guardiola. pffffftttt

  • 204 lukes26 // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    I see no reason why newcastle can’t finish 6-7th.

    The 2011-2012 season, we started Obertan, Jonas, Williamson, and R Taylor on a regular basis. We have much much better players now.

    The truth is that Newcastle was probably one of the luckiest teams ever that season. During that unbeaten streak we were dominated thoroughly by other teams. Arsenal dominated and unlucky to win, QPR even dominated.

    However, toward the end of the season Newcastle was playing the best football since the Robson era. That is undeniable. even in the 3-1 loss to Man City at the end of the season, newcastle was playing excellent football.

    Last season, the squad was paper thin..Cabaye, Tiote, Cisse, Ben Arfa all suffered in form at the same time. Its not really baffling that newcastle finished where they did.

    Pardew’s Plan B never really worked though, so he has to take some stick for that.

  • 205 Marty-Toon // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    I’m not sure where we will end up but it certainly won’t be challenging the top 8
    We may not be dragged into or near the danger zone but I’d say we’ll struggle for tenth
    I’m usually a positive person but I like to be logical also and logic is saying that if Pards had been at any other club especially the size of ours then he’d be gone long ago,so he’s blessed to have kept his job.
    I like the guy cause he’s an honest hard working bloke and tries his best yet doesn’t get the backing from the stingy billionaire.
    He does however lack the playing style of other managers at lesser clubs that showed us up big time last year……saints,swans,Everton,WBA etc etc -less money on players and budget and smaller fan base yet much better end result

  • 206 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Rooney – Cisse and BenArfa stopped bailing Pardew out with wonder goals, it wasn’t great football that got us 5th.

  • 207 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    The season we finished 5th our football was for from nice to watch other then the 7 game spell we played
    4-3-3 . Which got us 6 wins on the bounce, why we never went back to play that way is a bigger mystery than the Pyramids .

  • 208 PennStateToon // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    I understand why some of you think we wont be world beaters, but i dont see how there can’t be at least some logic behind thinking we might improve on last years results? Less fixtures and a healthier squad I would think could lead to a few more points? Of course we could get with the injury bug again or sell cabaye, but it’s all hypothetical isnt it? Including my scenario. Not saying i’m right or wrong i just don’t think you can slag off someone as a nutjob for saying we will be better or worse. Could go either way.

  • 209 Indian Magpie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    I simply do not know how people cannot see Pardew’s Incompetence and lies.

  • 210 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Dok…What! was that sarcasm?

    …and here I thought BandB meant it 😉 lol (sorry couldn’t help myself)

    So how is Texas these days? I have been there once. Went to Galverston and a storm was building up – a big one so we got the hell out of there 🙂 Went to Houston, the founding place of AirCon. My fav place was Fort Worth – beats the hell out of Dallas. When we left a monsoon hit us hard; what’s up with Texas?

    Ohh and we meet a gun crazy old man who kept rattle snakes. He was bearing arms. Told us a story, that you could basically shoot someone in open street as long as you could prove in a court of law that you felt threaten!

    That was our cue 😉 lol

  • 211 ToonDownSouth // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    I think we’ll be lucky to stay up this year. Our squad has got worse, and our manager has got no better.

    The difference this year is that come January when we’re sitting at the bottom of the table, our big players won’t sit through it again – they’ll ask to leave, bids will come in, and they’ll be gone.

  • 212 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    I don’t think some people realise how talented our first 11 is:

    Krul – Dutch international
    Debuchy – French first choice full back
    M’biwa – Title winning captain and French international
    Collo – Argentine international
    Sissoko – French International
    Cabaye – French International
    HBA – What more can I say about the lad
    Tiote – Ivory Coast International and on his day brilliant
    Remy – French International
    Cisse – Senegalese international

    Compare those players to what Swansea & Everton and their teams look average in comparison. Yet Pardew has us fighting relegation FFS.

    With the right manager this team could be something special. Imagine the attack minded Sir Bobby or Keegan at the reign’s . Breaks my heart to see this team not fulfil its potential 🙁

  • 213 Eddie // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Saw Pardew has rejected criticism of his tactics by stating that he doesn’t care about 4-4-2 or 4-5-1: apparently he just wants us to threaten the goal more – God help us.

  • 214 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    And you met one of the more normal Texans Jesper @210! I bet he was a Tea Party member. They believe Obama is the anti-Christ and the only way to stop a crazy man with a gun is to have more crazy people with guns. So the logic is the more guns you have the less violence there will be. How’s that working out for you so far America?

  • 215 Ben_W // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    @ Big Pappa Cisse

    I’m not trying to be negative, and I agree with your point; however Tiote was pretty bad last season, Cisse wasn’t great last season (offside a lot, missed chances he would normally get), Collo has started losing his head a bit, Debuchy gives away loads of penos and hasn’t been as good as I thought he’d be!

    I agree that on paper we could be a great team and that we could potentially be very good, just our players aren’t actually that great and I still think we need more quality in our side.

  • 216 Ben_W // Aug 14, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    I think I personally rate our players too highly normally (we probably all do) but I’m sure fans of Everton probably think the likes of Pienaar, Baines and Fellaini are much better than all our players!

  • 217 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    @ ben

    Cisse broke records in his first 6 months in the PL . Did he wake up one morning and suddenly forget how to score ? . Or is it a case of Pardew isolates him up front playing 4-2-3-1 , plays him right wing and as a target man .

    Cisse is the type of striker that likes crosses and balls cut in from wide areas, that is why 4-3-3 worked so well as he had players either side of him. You only have to look at his time with Freiburg or the end of the 5th place season to see that .

  • 218 Ben_W // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    It also feels like teams around us have strengthened a lot. Take Norwich, they have bought Ricky Van Wolfswinkel, Nathan Redmond, Leroy Fer, Gary Hooper, Martin Olsson and Javier Garrido! I think they could be very good this season.

  • 219 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    @Big pappa – When Pardew played Cisse out on the right with Shola up front that basically wrote off our season- it was one of the worst decisions he has made as our manager.

    It destroyed Cisse’s confidence/ morale and seemed to confuse the whole team as well as fans.

  • 220 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    GeordieTwo…and this old guy he didn’t like the black people or the Indians; he kept talking about his sister who had married one and he didn’t talk in good terms of the new family addition!

    …Texas that can be one crazy place; Fort Worth was like visiting the old West literally, but they did serve some good Mojitos and Cuban cigars in Dallas 😀

  • 221 Ben_W // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    @ Big Pappa Cisse, yeah I am not doubting his talent, just that he had a bad season last season. I agree he still can be a good player, just you could argue maybe he’s not adaptable enough. We shall see, and I still like the bloke, just hope he can bang some goals in this season!

  • 222 Spotlight Kid // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:05 PM


    There’s a number of us on this blog who have consistently said there is nothing wrong with the current team that a good manager could not put right and convert into a top 6 finish. Alas, there are other who prefer not to see wood for trees, and suggest we spend millions on technical players who will be crippled by Pardew’s inadequacies – or free-loaders like Bent who wouldn’t fetch £1.5m if he was not an English player.

    The fitness to own a Premier League club test criteria should make it mandatory that any owner who employs the likes of a Pardewsaurus or a Kinnearosaur would automatically fail.

  • 223 Indian Magpie // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    The Question I wanna ask is where is all the money gone?

    If you do the calculations you will see that we have not spend Net 35 Mill since 31st jan 2011

  • 224 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Does anyone play FM 2013? Bought the game a few months ago since I was basically years behind when people were talking about players 🙂

    …thought about giving it a try (the last game I tried was FM 2011) Any suggestions of what team I should pick (don’t say Newcastle) and what kind of formation seems to work?

  • 225 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    I agree teams like Swansea & Norwich have improved but even if I wasn’t a die hard NUFC fan and just a football fan in general, how many of their players would get in our starting 11 from both teams ? .

    I would say:

    Bony (Maybe)
    De Guzman

  • 226 colwell // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    No way, it seems there is a good chance Southampton will sign Osvaldo for 17m.

    Damm what it would be like too actually try and buy players for REAL money, we can all dream.

  • 227 gaz 44 // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Is there only me who thinks many of our team are over rated then,
    Krul – I like but wasn’t same after his injuries may just be confidence
    Santon/debuchy – both perhaps should be wingers
    Collo – prone to a rash decision but otherwise a rock
    Mbwia – will come could I’m sure but looked poor apart from last game at left back
    Saylor – is a rock when at side of a steady cb, slow and lacks position strength
    Cabaye – always looks for the pass that’ll get him on match of day
    Tiote – pirouettes more than a ballet dancer
    Anita – weak and can go missing, great control and good pass
    Jonas – lot of huff n puff no end result
    Marv – brilliant for 8mins of a game, missing the rest
    Cisse – hasn’t looked interested for me
    Hba – can’t defend but why should he, can destroy a teaM
    Gouffran – same as Jonas (willing to give time)
    Remy – got to give time

    And if I missed anyone either too good or too forgetful (shola n sammy lol)

  • 228 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Yes that’s your typical Texas redneck all right Jesper @220. They’re just dying to shoot anything that moves. I lived in San Diego in the mid to late 90’s. Completely mental. A guy was killed a block away from our place for looking at another guy’s girlfriend. Road rage killings were fairly common down there. An ex Marine got stoned and stole a tank and drove it through the streets while we were there. They had to wait until he got caught on the concrete divider and shoot him in the head to get him to stop. What a fun place. I have lots more funs stories about Americans and guns. Land of the free, home of the crazy.

  • 229 ERER // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    @ 224

    Newcastle is actually a really good team to use, just be sure to offer a new contract to Adam Campbell before someone like Man City steals him from you

    Mike Ashley usually sells the club after a season or two

  • 230 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:23 PM


    He’ll probably be going to Internazionale, he wants to get the attention of Cesare Prandelli and get into the national team, he wont get noticed at Southampton.

  • 231 clinton // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    guys please vote for constant HD streams

    mackems are currently on top..

    @ indian magpie, where are u from in india??

  • 232 jazzyp // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Evening all
    I agree that our team on paper looks quality,But it did last year and we all know how last season turned out.
    We can have the most technically gifted players in the world-But under a Inept manager who has no idea on how to play players to there full potential you might as well play blindfolded !!
    Just for arguments sake we had the likes of Jose mourinho as our manager, Do you really think these players would be playing like this ??

  • 233 ERER // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:29 PM



    1. Elliot ( we need a new keeper, we gave away a CL keeper for 2M ridiculous)
    2. Dummett
    3. S.Taylor
    4. Bigiramana
    5. Sissoko
    6. Sammy Ameobi
    7. Adam Campbell

  • 234 Indian Magpie // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:29 PM


    New Delhi

  • 235 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    It takes more than just sticking a bunch of talented players together and expecting them to play well . City tried that with Hughes and look how that turned out .

  • 236 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    ‘Excuse me, I’d like to bang your brains out’. Great chat up line. Use it if you’re single and it’ll work.

  • 237 clinton // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    nice to find a few newcastle fans from our country…and i knw like me, u bleed black & white as well…..

    guys please vote on starstreams

  • 238 jazzyp // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    Thaurvin available for 13 mill and now linked to yet another CF Jordan Rhodes for 10 mill.
    Another two players out of our price range.

  • 239 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    gonufc – just one of many crazy team selections Percy has done, but I have to say that one of Shola up top and Cisse wide right came top of the pissboiling chart.

    I personally loved the way Percy left all of our attacking players on the bench for our home game against Benfica until the last 25 minutes, played Bigi wide right, another beauty, should have been 3 down in the first 20 minutes. He loves cup competitions you know.

    A complete balloon

  • 240 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Ffs. Welbeck starts for England. I dont care what anyone says, many people in the world may claum to have a more valid oppinion, but Welbeck is SH1TE and should not be any where near the England side. Ditto Jagielka. At least Walker is starting at right back instead of mr out of position ball waster Johnson.

  • 241 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Haha, a championship striker out of our price range? We shouldn’t be going for them anyway. Moussa Sow could be a good shout and Doumbia from CSKA moscow. Luiz Adriano would also be a great coup.

  • 242 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    GeordieTwo…I have been to San Diego as well, mind you that was 7 years ago, but I have fond memories of the City.

    …one of my favorite places on the West Coast – beats the hell out of LA!

    Texas just stands out as one crazy place 😀 we sometimes laugh about it when visiting Memory Lane! I actually have fond memories of the America – it’s very diverse and each states were different, especially in the Mid West and the South!

  • 243 jazzyp // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    Be careful pal, If Ashley hears you talking like that he’ll try and sign welbeck up.

  • 244 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    It’s all well and good saying we have an excellent starting 11.

    Last season though are best players didn’t get to play in half of our Premier League games.

    That’s the difference here. We do NOT have a great second string. We do not have a great squad.

    For large portions of last season we were missing 2-3-4 of this excellent 1st eleven with insufficient back up. Mostly all of them at once.

    You cannot expect a Sammy Ameobi or an Obertan to replace a Ben Arfa or Cabaye and produce the same results per say. Or A Williamson or Perch to replace a Coloccini. Ferguson to replace a Santon.

    And let’s not forget we lost firepower in January in Ba who the board failed to replace.

    Pardew was just doing his mediocre best in a totally shambolic season made very difficult for him through no fault of his own.

    With consistency in a first 11 and a decent run without injuries he will take us to mid-table as he is supposed to.

    Top 8 with another striker and winger added for depth.

    And no doubt about it attacking enjoyable football.

    Time for work. Maybe i’ll get on laters. Enjoy fella’s.

  • 245 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    It will be interesting to see which group on here comes closest to what actually happens. I think we’ll be mediocre. Somewhere around 10th. Some say we’re poor enough to be relegated. I doubt it, even with Pardew, Joe and Ashley. Some say we’ll be top 8. Again I doubt it. There are at least 8 or 9 teams who are more ambitious, have better owners and managers and have built better squads than us. We will begin to find out soon.

  • 246 Steven // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    If david moyes starts banging on about old.rwd nose licking his backside as per usual im gonna run down there and throttle
    And why has he all af a sudden started coming across all arogant and no it all.
    Christ he has done nowt.
    I cant wait for them to flop ha ha ha 4th position thats my prediction

  • 247 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Denmark plays 4-3-3 with a very inexperience team!

    Fischer is starting his first game for us 😀

  • 248 jazzyp // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    It seems any player is out of our price range at the mo.
    PL starts for us Monday and all we have to show is an injured loan player.
    Percy spouting his same Bs as last season already, Fringe players all being sold or have left.And people are trying to say we are in a better position as last tem……do me a favour

  • 249 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    @jesper – I’ve seen Viktor Fischer a few times for Ajax and he always looks very exciting. How highly is he rated in Denmark?

  • 250 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    gonufc…very highly 🙂

    …Ajax have 4 of our biggest talents in Eriksen, Fischer, Boilesen and Lucas Andersen!

  • 251 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    If we sell Willo and Tavernier, we’ll be in a better position. We still need 4/5 first team signings. Because we signed 5 players in January, the board feel that us fans are satisfied, but we need more decent players to be successful. We’re in the same position now in comparison with the summer after we finished 5th. I’m expecting another poor season unless we sign 4/5 new players. Toby Alderweireld would be a step forward. Kinnear said we’re looking at better defenders than Douglas, so I’d like to see 1 cb signed along with 2 am’s and 2 strikers.

  • 252 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    well it’s less than a week until kick off yet when I reading this blog makes it sound more like kick off is still months away negative negative negative can people not just forget last season if a decent manager was so easy to get then why did Manchester united only appoint moyse EVERTON DID MORE HOOFBALL THAN STOKE.

    @gaz 227
    actually mate you are not the only one who believe people over rate our team arsenal Liverpool and spur are much further from city and Chelsea FFP is starting soon Manchester united have lost the best manager ever.

    hello Newcastle keep saying they will sell a player carr is the so called best scout and the team reveal who they trying to get so what they waiting for when this season is the best chance for them 3 teams to improve. other than cabaye and his links to Manchester united and the odd rumor with HBA their has being nothing.

    if these French players were so good then how did france only get into the world cup thanks to a hand ball and how come the did so poor in the cup also why have the French league team not did very good in the CL or Europa league and why are france ranked 23rd which is below USA switerland end Greece and a few other poor teams in the world

  • 253 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Jack Wilshire is some player like. If he can keep fit he will be one of the worlds best.

  • 254 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    How do welbeck and cleverly get in the national team?
    There shite!!!!!

  • 255 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    @ tads

    Simple, they play for Man U 🙂 . Only English players I really rate are Rooney,Wilshire,Gerrard, Sturridge & Wallcott.

  • 256 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    ERER…thanks mate 🙂

    That was actually the formation (4-2-2-2) I used in FM 2011, but I am bit weary of using NUFC with my current lack of ability lol

    …Though about starting with a Champ team or League 1 team.

  • 257 ToonDownSouth // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Even the English national team look more inventive in attack than Newcastle at the moment. That’s a serious low point.

  • 258 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    Watching England’s defence I actually feel better about ours! 😉

  • 259 JaxtheMag // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    Scotland 1 up

  • 260 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    don’t you see it’s teams like our own that are causing rubbish players to be used.
    first it was Chelsea then arsenal after than city now Newcastle.
    the only way for that to change is if the FA made the rule 5/6 but they not in charge of the league they sold it in 92 that’s why it is the premier league.

  • 261 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    lol England 0-1 Scotland

  • 262 colwell // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Good keeping from Hart, keep up the good work on Monday.

  • 263 Sir Braveheart // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Joe Hart – making Newcastle fans feel more optimistic, what a kind lad.

    Must be his itchy scalp.

  • 264 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    @Sir Braveheart

    lol the away fans should hoy bottles of head and shoulders at him at the city game

  • 265 JaxtheMag // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    its great being a toon and England fan

  • 266 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:16 PM


    Um ok, not sure how its Newcastle’s fault the national team is shite
    The fact we don’t have any decent English youngsters is our fault due to decades of having a poor academy but really not sure what that has to do with national team

  • 267 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    If hart plays like this Monday I feel a hat trick coming on from shola “like a new signing” ameobi

  • 268 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Roy Hodgson out. Alan Pardew in.

  • 269 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:21 PM


    Beats me. I don’t rate Welbeck at all.

  • 270 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Hart couldn’t possibly play that badly could he tads @266? Just kidding. I would love to see Ben Arfa let a few rip against Hart though.

  • 271 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Your right mate, play for manure get in the England squad!!!

    Danny welbeck played 39 games in all competions with 2 goals
    Shola played 35 games in all competions with 4 goals….

  • 272 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    England are nearly as frustrating as Newcastle but fortunately i could not care less if England lost. In fact im enjoying Scotland play some nice football

  • 273 beautifulmind // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    unbelieveable the amount of negative comments before the season has started. at least wait until the team fails so that negative views can be backed up by fact rather than what you think might happen. until then support the team and stop whinging like beatches!!!!!

  • 274 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    it all started with Blackburn and Chelsea and we are just causing it to get worst.
    the thing with teams like Newcastle is they no long do much with the academies the money now is spent on foreigners the Spanish team was so poor but what changed that was the Spanish FA who did all they could to improve the Spanish academies and that is just what is now happening to Germany but do the English FA do that no they just sit back letting the clubs continue spending money on foreigners.

  • 275 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    well 1-1

  • 276 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    Lovely goal walcott i hate to say. About time England.

  • 277 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    Good run from Walcott there, thought he’d proper fcuked it up when he turned in though!!!

  • 278 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:31 PM


    Or….maybe Hodgson realises Shola is utter s***e like the rest of the world, well except Alan Pardew 😉

  • 279 89Norcal // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Jonas won’t make Man City? Well we can kiss those 3 points goodbye!

  • 280 JackButler // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Nice to see Hart still has his gloves covered in butter.

    Or is it Head and Shoulder’s???

  • 281 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    shola is not even English he is Nigerian and has been called up for their squad.

  • 282 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Ibrahimovic4 goals for Sweden. He never seems to go a game with out scoring at least 1 goal.

  • 283 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    433 is Englands best formation….. should have been using it for years when beckham and shearer were around. It would have negated that left side problem we had. The were midfeilders who would have been excellent wing forwards. Macmanamanamanaman for example.

  • 284 89Norcal // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    Too king

    Its the double edged sword of having such a wealthy league.

  • 285 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:39 PM


    He is dual nationality.

  • 286 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Half time update:

    Pol 1 – 2 Den

    Fairly even, a few bright moments and Fischer is showing good signs. Definitely like our current 4-3-3 better than the old 4-2-3-1 🙂

  • 287 Novocastrian66 // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    Wilshire is overrated in my opinion too.

  • 288 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    And the game is played in Gda?sk in Poland (anyone see the irony 😉 ) lol

  • 289 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Imagine world cup 98 for example……


    Neville adams othercb le saux

    Beckham scholes anderton

    Owen shearer bananaman

    Cant remember if ince was there but he could slot in mf. This team is just a rough example of how english players have suited this formation for a while

  • 290 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:45 PM


    No, i’m too stupid to figure it out, tell me, you’ve peaked my interest :?.

  • 291 SeanNufc87 // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    Tactic for Monday lads, kick the ball straight at joe hart and we’re laughing. Id take harps over harts recent form.

    Stevie T is twice the player of jagielka imo.

  • 292 JackButler // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:45 PM


    Wilshire can go from world class to very ordinary in a single moment

  • 293 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Eriksen would be a good signing.

  • 294 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Jagielka is useless in my opinion. I’m a fan of Cahill, Walcott, Gerrard and Oxlade Chamberlain.

  • 295 JackButler // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM


    So would Messi and we have about as much chance of signing him as well

  • 296 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM


    Wilshire is very creative. He hasnt had the chance to prove himself fully due to injuries. I agree he is overhyped at the moment but i think he looks a player. Cleverly on the other hand is bollox. They are giving him credit for passing to walcott for his goal. Its like they cant admit a man u player is cr@p

  • 297 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:48 PM


    I thought he signed for Dortmund?.

  • 298 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    Kets. Totally agree about jagielka. I am a better defender than him. I am also a better mf than cleverly, and a better forward than welbeck. And i have only one good leg! Also i agree ox is a great future player. He is already good. Cahill yes. Gerrard ok but we need to find new blood here. Ditto lampard, although lamps for cleverly in the second half for me please

  • 299 Assam Toon // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    Situation 1 – we will be hammered by city…6-8 goals conceded. next morning ashley stays quiet. pardew blabbers about “this match is behind us and the season begins now” etc….a season later we are playing championship.

    or situation 2 – we will be hammered by city…6-8 goals conceded. next morning ashley fires pardew and his staff and kinnear too. new manager comes in and sells obertan, uses jonas sparingly, allows hba license to kill and play sissoko in his favoured place. and end of season we storm into europe.

  • 300 Novocastrian66 // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    I’m not saying Wilshire is rubbish, he just isn’t all that. He isn’t as important to England as Rooney or Walcott. He still has a lot to prove at club level never mind at international level. Good luck to the lad. I hope he lives up to the hype and England will have a great player.
    I put him in the Joe Cole bracket. Almost but not quite, the real deal.

  • 301 kevymartins // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    That french line up is full off greedy pricks, Benzema blast the ball over the bar from 30 yards out while there is players standing in the box unmarked time and time again. The likes of Sissoko, Cabaye, Mbiwa will never be a big name in that squad because of them b@stards.

  • 302 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    ITV their have just said Walcott needs space for goals like his and his goal was the same sort of goal that HBa does for Newcastle now if only the rest of the team did more movement then maybe he could score more.

  • 303 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    Sissoko’s favoured position? You mean the number 10 role that sissoko has been telling everyone is his best?

  • 304 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    kevy don’t forget we have a greedy French player ourselves HBA.

  • 305 yo-yo // Aug 14, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    Best posts of the day have to be
    1. BandB. It was far more subtle than mere sarcasm;

    2. Kets . Chat up line – a direct free kick into the top corner and will def work well with lasses with low self esteem;

    3. Thump. Yes please – break the bank for a top sports psychologist. If every EPL finishing place brings in £800k then sign a whole crew of psychological coaches – they’ll pay for themselves in one season

    Nothing to add more positive than that as nothing is happening.

    PS we won’t sign Toby – unfortunately

  • 306 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    Cleverly is a nice neat and tidy player, keeps the ball moving and can play decent one touch stuff, is not good enough for England but a nice footballer non the less. Super ball for Walcott as well.

    Just watch how many touches the lad always has when he receives the ball, maximum its two, then check out our boys on Monday, count the touches and then you will realise how we never break teams down, too slow.

    Anyone who has seen Jagielka live will appreciate he is a good centre half.

  • 307 kevymartins // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    @Toonking Ben Arfa doesn’t waste the ball half the amount of times them lads do, it is really bad like, Like really really bad, Nasri they all do it. The only player currently in their team who is good at it is Reibery.

  • 308 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM


  • 309 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM


    I dont really see rooney as a key player any more. If we stick with 433 and an out and out striker hits form, rooney should make way. He has not done much for england in years. Walcott is key though

  • 310 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    2-1 to Scotland, christ we really are shite.

  • 311 JackButler // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    When will England learn that Lampard and Gerrard don’t work. talk about flogging a dead horse

  • 312 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    I’ve always rated Kenny Miller. Shite defending though.

  • 313 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    terrible defending by Cahill there mind, we are lacking quality at the back, will be lucky to qualify for world cup.

  • 314 colwell // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    How too beat England?

  • 315 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM


    Cant really blame lamps and gerrard for the goal though

    I think they can play in a 433 together. Thats why it is our best formation.

  • 316 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Great game. Embarrising for England though

  • 317 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Cant believe welbeck scored. An excuse for the pundits to blow sunshine up his ass. He is still w@nk

  • 318 Toonacious T // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    Great game for the neutral this like!

  • 319 JackButler // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM


    Not blaming either of them for the goal, just how many times have they been played together and how many stand out performances have they given?

    They are too similar and have become predictable and that’s England’s biggest problem overall, as a team they are predictable in their play and set up and have been for a few years now

  • 320 lesh // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    Wot, still no signings?

  • 321 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    if welbeck is so bad why would Manchester united not be selling him like they did with simmo and obatan?

  • 322 yo-yo // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:15 PM


    Even better for a Welshman living in Scotland.
    IMO England’s defence are as bad as Scotland’s.

    Not all Toon fans are English

  • 323 Toonacious T // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    Pardew for England!

  • 324 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:18 PM


    I totally agree. English football is poor full stop.

    I think, had we played 433 with them both earlier in their career, in a dynamic flowing and unpredictable midfield with evwryone switching around, we would have seen more impressive displays from them. Credit to woy for finally using the system, but it has missed the boat for lamps and gerrard.

  • 325 Toonacious T // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    Yo-yo. Nice one, I’m a Toon fan and I’m not English either. It is rare for an international friendly to be so open and entertaining though.

  • 326 colwell // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    Gerrard has lost the bit of pace he once had, I wonder if this season will be his last?

    What a player though he tore us to bits on numerous occasions the swine.

    We have had Beckham,Gerrard,Scholes,Lampard, Shearer,Owen and didn’t win a thing. Looking at our team now we have fallen so far behind its ridiculous. Such a shame.

  • 327 USAGEORDIE // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    Jozy Altidore with two goals and an assist for the U.S. He’s looking like a good signing for the Mackems.

  • 328 USAGEORDIE // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    make that 3 goals and an assist

  • 329 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    What a fking header!!!!!!

  • 330 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    What a f#cking header by Rickie Lambert, was well impressed with the lad when he came to St James;s with Soton last year. Pleased for the lad.

  • 331 Toonacious T // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    Colwell -England have had some excellent players but in tournament football it is usually more about the strength of your bench and the mentality of the squad to handle the pressure of a semi final etc. I am fearful about the lack of home nations players coming through but as I write this Ricky Lambert scores an old fashioned English strikers header with his first touch. Lol.

  • 332 beddersmag // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:30 PM


    Totally disagree on wiltshire. If that kid could stay fit he could be a world beater imo. Makes us tick and the only genuine world class creative player we have. Love seeing him play. Just so natural and comfortable on the ball. If he could stay fit for a season he would prove it.

  • 333 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    The one signing that would have gave me hope that Pards could have done something this year was Andy Carroll,

    I think the rest of the team could have played brilliantly off the big lad, massive shame we didn’t get him back.

  • 334 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    Go on Ricky lad!!!

  • 335 swisstone // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    Got hammered on here a few wks ago for suggesting we should be in for lambert

    15 goals in a footballing side and a goal on his england debut

  • 336 check the toastie // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    beddersmag – agree wilshere is a super footballer, wouldn’t look out of place playing for Spain, typical English disease of putting our best players down, everyone says Cabaye is great on here, for me he couldn’t lace Wilshere’s boots.

  • 337 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    I am beginning to wonder if Southampton could be produce the talentest of England players the ox moved from them to arsenal if I am right.

  • 338 yo-yo // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Scotland defence makes same mistake twice = two goals to England.
    Thought this one would be a walk in the park for England but yer right it’s entertaining stuff

  • 339 scout // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    Just because lambert isn’t at Chelsea or man.u he’s deemed not good enough. Maybe if we had a few more like him England would be in a better position. He’s a top bloke off the pitch as well

  • 340 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    them people are probably the ones that just use two words Southampton and promoted meaning rubbish players.

  • 341 scout // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    I’m anti cabaye as you know, he couldn’t run a bath imo

  • 342 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Man U have some of the most overrated players in the England team. Zaha,Cleverly & Wellbeck. If they played for us they wouldn’t get a look in.

  • 343 Toonacious T // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    Yo-yo, Strachan will be raging with the marking for the corner. England look to be well away from at least the top six or seven nations but at least they are trying to give some younger players a chance now. Very difficult for Wales, Scotland, RoI, NI, etc., given their respective populations like.

  • 344 colwell // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    I’d still take Big Andy over Lambert everyday of the week

  • 345 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    How the fk does wellbeck get man of the match?!?!?! Just for staying on? Walcott more deadly. Bains excellent. Fk off townsend you dick

  • 346 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Lads sssshhhhh about lambert, don’t praise him to much, or you might have to acknowledge who gave him his big break……..

  • 347 geordie157 // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    craig forrest would be a good upgrade on Obertan.

  • 348 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Q.are you saying that cabaye is not world class?

    reason. if you are then why should Newcastle be expected to A do very good B have a good squad C be easy for any manager to do well.
    cabaye is currently the only player who has shown much sign of getting a moving to a CL team or a team willing to spend a massive fee for him. so if he is still not world class well why expect the team to be capable of finishing high.

    the best player in the team is the player who is most high risk of loosing ie van persie arsenal bale spurs suaez Liverpool Ronaldo Manchester.
    with us that player has been cabaye so he must be the best player we have.

  • 349 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    Wellbeck man of the match!?. I must have been watching a different match to the one these prats were.

  • 350 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    We completely crashed and burned in the second half 🙁 lost 3-2 to Poland!

    How did England do?

  • 351 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:53 PM


    Won 3-2, played like s***e for most of it.

  • 352 Novocastrian66 // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    Beddersmag. I’m not saying his is a poor player. I just don’t get what all the hype is about. I stated he has a lot to prove and I hope he does. A lot of pundits are portray him as a crucial part of the England team. I do not see him as being that. Yet. Unfortunately I think injuries might prevent his development into a truly world class player. One or two cameos a season isn’t enough.
    When he has done the biz at a World Cup or Euro finals we can judge him as world class.

  • 353 Toonacious T // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    I am said to say Cabaye is a classy player who has lost his way under our second rate coaching and playing style. If he went to the likes of PSG or ManU I don’t doubt he would regain the standards he once displayed in a Toon shirt and indeed develop further. I think his ambition goes beyond finishing 10th in the league and doing nowt in the cups so who could blame him for leaving. We don’t play through the midfield anyway, the only thing he will develop under Pardew is a creek in his neck!

  • 354 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    Its great to see players like Lambert getting a lool in to the England 11. I mean its only a friendly why doesn’t Hodgson play the like of Austin, nathan Dyer, charlie Austin, Ryan Shawcross and even Steven Taylor or Troy Deeney. Give thema chance rather than the typical ageing gerrard and Lampard or Rooney who waa crap tonight

  • 355 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM


    We defended badly. I think once we got into the game we were canny on the ball. Some good pacy attacking play. Scotland didnt look like much second half bar the early goal.

  • 356 SharpEnough23 // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    Itv love welbeck,

  • 357 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    # look
    # was

  • 358 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM


    Gotta agree with you on that, he is a good player and would get into a lot of teams starting 11, but the comments like “Ready made replacment for Fabregas” and “Englands answer to Xavi” are just well off, he might reach that level in the future but he isnt even close at the minute, definitely well overrated.

  • 359 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    lambert this year I can see being one superb player.
    next year is the world cup and lambert having scored that goal will now know that if he continues to make progress he stands a good chance of getting called up.

    also here is a positive for Newcastle this year.
    we have got a lot of French players and they will know very well if they want to get called up then they will want to do the best they can and as they haven’t hand in transfer requests they must be happy enough at Newcastle as for pardew what he says is just words they players can do what they want on the pitch because they know that if they are going to get called up they have to show their capibilities and if france failed to even qualify well all I can say then is most of our team is much worse than people think because pardew might control them when at Newcastle but he doesn’t manage the frence international team.

  • 360 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    Look at how welbeck minces around during the build up to scotlands second goal. A wide forward should be putting a foot in to block passes in that situatuon. Lazy tw@t

  • 361 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Welbecks so over rated

  • 362 DevonToon // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    England are shit! I used my quid free bet at chorals.. decided id do 4-2 england! Obviously annoyed that we conceded TWO goals against a dire scotland team, but buzzing cos my bet looked good. No though $h## f###### england cant score a forth 🙁

  • 363 DevonToon // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    Ay at least we should be able to put a few past reliable joe on monday eve :’)

  • 364 NUFCarter // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    Devon Toon

    So unlucky mate

  • 365 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Newcastle United could turn their attentions to Blackburn Rovers forward Jordan Rhodes according to Sky Tyne and Wear.

    mmm like him – got a great record

    but knowing the TOON – pie in the sky

  • 366 Crow59 // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    I heard kinnear found lambert in the beetroot factory and gave his his first england cap

  • 367 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    paul, agree, apart from his goal Becks was poor

  • 368 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    Devon, my England to win from behind bet worked out pretty well though 😉

  • 369 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    BPC, Zaha is terrible. A lot of Palace fans are glad that Man U bought Zaha rather than Bolasie

  • 370 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:11 PM


    Aye some of the attacking looked good, lacked that final killer pass a few times and the co-ordination was a bit ropey at times but I think there were some positives to take away from it.

    The Ox put in a shift tonight in my opininon, looks a solid player, would of give him man of the match in my opinion, cant see why Wellbeck is getting all the hype, he was wandering around all over the place.

  • 371 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:15 PM


    Probably a bit soon to judge zaha. Would like to see him get longer and have time to get into a game. If he is still lookong headless after 3 or 4 decent length appearences then he should be dropped

  • 372 saxonfenken // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:16 PM

    Sick to death of all this negativity, call your selves supporters. The season has not started yet, but most of you have given up already. God help you all. Go and support Sunderland

  • 373 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    Keep up the good work Saxon, if no one is going to come on the blog, lord it over us and tell us how to be good decent NUFC supporters, I wonder how we’d ever cope.

  • 374 Crow59 // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    Welbeck only got motm because he scored and was the only attacking player to play the full 90mins. Baines covered every inch of grass, with an assist and played out of his skin but gets no mention. Andy T hasnt got a clue suprised he didnt give hart the irish beeep.
    When i say irish i mean english but to sh1te to play for England

  • 375 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    My views on England in recent games:
    – Hart should be dropped or at least threatened.
    – Johnson is still better than Walker.
    – Baines is better than Cole.
    – Cahill and Jags are suspect.
    – Gerrard looks like an old man.
    – Welbeck and Cleverley arent good enough

  • 376 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:21 PM


    We are so negative because we are paying attention, and i’d rather sit in a bath of p**s and remove my own finger and toe nails with a rusty tea spoon than support ‘them’. 😛

  • 377 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    Markaccus, maybe terrible is a bit harsh. He did absolutely nothing for me in the game against Wigan either mind.

  • 378 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:24 PM


    How did Jagielka even get in, surely we must have someone better than him, even Saylor would be a better option.

  • 379 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    I would set England up a bit more like this

    ????? – Heart says Sturridge, head says Carroll.

  • 380 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    Paul, Jagielka is too slow. But he did alright tonight, won a lot of headers. I reckon Smalling and Jones will be battling it out for that position soon.

  • 381 toonking // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    don’t worry mate.
    I can’t see pardew or any one involve at Newcastle wanting look at this blog all this blog does is makes the team even more likely to loose game. it’s called confidence and without it the team and manager worry so if they read this blog they would drop confidence massively.

    sometimes I wonder why rednapp is not the manager that would be these bloggers choice because if they hate pardew and his media talk they should be asking for rednapp because he is the only one capable of not using excuses.

  • 382 King Arfa // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Just heard benteke was stretchered off suspected broken leg!!

  • 383 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:30 PM


    I could go on all night finding anti-superlatives to highlight how utterly pants welbeck is. There are not enough words in the english language or any other for that matter to describe my contempt for his appearances in an england shirt.

    I am a big fan of the ox. Big future for that lad indeed.

    Did i mention i dont like welbeck? No? Well, i dont.

  • 384 King Arfa // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Cancel was sum muppet making it up apologies!

  • 385 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:32 PM


    Sturridge, carrol, lambert. Bent 😀

  • 386 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    King arfa

    You get trolls and tw@ts everywhere.

  • 387 Tinman // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    King Arfa, ah well, wouldn’t wish a broken leg on anyone!

    Markaccus, think Sturridge is the best player out of all of them but we always end up playing the type of footbal which suits a ‘more robust’ kind of player…

  • 388 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:36 PM


    Aye, would rather see Smalling or Jones getting games, we really need to get shot of the old guard, they were all good players at one time but we need to give the youth proper run.


    Aye, I got a few subtle hints that you dont like Wellbeck, cant say i’m a fan of him either, he might come good one day but i’d rather see Carroll and Sturridge ahead of him in the pecking order.

  • 389 Markaccus // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM


    I dont know you, but as far as i am concerned you are ahead of welbeck in the pecking order

  • 390 stan anderson // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    Agree Cabaye is p—ed off with our under ambitious owner and his side kicks,no one with ambition will come to us.Wont even compete in the cups again,will put survival in the P L. above all else.

  • 391 Novocastrian66 // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    Zaha is another Lua Lua. A show pony. He has to focus his game. Ronaldo was like that when Man Utd first picked him up. Ferguson helped him develop a cutting edge. It will be interesting if Moyes can transform Zaha.

  • 392 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    My England team would be :






  • 393 Our Toon // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    Everyone understands Pardew is an issue but he is not the biggest issue at the club, our owner is the biggest issue. Everyone’s talking about our squad being good enough to finish top 7, well Norwich, Swansea, Southampton even the scum, have the most piece of the jigsaw…..a better manger.

    Can people stop going on about rubbish like Rhodes from Blackburn, the guy is awful, I’ve seen him play a few times and he is good for the championship (like Shola was when we were there) but he is naff in fact strolla has a better record in the championship than Rhodes, he reminds of Jonathan Stead another big flop,, as is Austin who thankfully has moved to QPR and Jermaine Beckford before him, we should be aiming for bigger and better players instead of championship rubbish!!

  • 394 paul24 // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    Just had a look at Welbecks stats, 27 goals in 139 appearances, thats pretty s**t, regardless of how old he is.

  • 395 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 14, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    Our Toon

    Compare Shola’s goals per game for us in the one season we were in the fizzy pop with Rhodes’s record. Rhodes’ record is better.

  • 396 Our Toon // Aug 14, 2013 at 11:01 PM

    Rhodes 43 games 27 goals 1.6 goals a game

    Strolla 18 games 10 goals 1.8 goals a game

    Not much in it!! But Rhodes is slightly better

  • 397 microbar // Aug 15, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    Don’t think so pardew your negative tactics are not going to split any defence let alone citys defence.
    the man is inept and deluded

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