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Newcastle Miss Out On Bent – Having Medical At Fulham

3:24 pm, Thursday, August 15th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 266 Comments

Sky Sports News is reporting that Aston Villa striker Darren Bent is having a medical right now at Fulham Football Club.

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Darren Bent – having medical at Fulham

This has been confirmed by Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert, but it’s not for a permanent transfer but for a season-long loan deal, much like what Newcastle have done to get Loic Remy to Tyneside.

This is disappointing news, after we heard today that Bent was very keen to come to Newcastle to be reunited with his old boss at Charlton Athletic – Alan Pardew.

Of the three strikers Newcastle have been after this summer, Bent is probably the third choice among many Newcastle fans, after French Internationals Loic Remy and Bafe Gomis, although why wouldn’t Newcastle do a loan deal for Bent?

We have to assume that Newcastle are aware of what’s going on in London and didn’t want to bring Darren Bent to Newcastle on loan.

So it could be that Newcastle have missed out on both Bafe Gomis and Darren Bent, so who do you think is on Newcastle’s B list of strikers?

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266 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Wandering Geordie // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    Thank god for that

  • 2 santonthenewmaldini // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    @Toon Down Sarf

    Yes Spurs have more money than us but surely its not too much to expect us to be able to spend some money!?!?!

    18 million got us 5 players in January but we should have got them last summer so surely its not beyond the realms that we could not have spent maybe another 18 on another 2 or 3 players?!?

    IF we don’t have the money then surely we should sell a player and then invest it in the team?! Thats what Spurs done with Berbatov, Carrick and Modric

    Its not difficult to run this club properly invest at the right times and sell a player and then buy a couple of players with the profit ! Dortmund are the example we should be following!

    I remember not too long ago we used to pound Spurs every time we played them changed days eh

  • 3 santonthenewmaldini // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    On another note

    Thank god we will not be signing BENT!!! Knowing our luck the bitch will score a hat trick against us at St James’s

    Trying to be a little positive if everyone stays fit and hit the ground running and we start to play like the Chelsea and Southampton home games with the power and passing that we showed then great I will take that as it would be entertaining

    Who knows Pardew could set us up like Man Utd away last season against City!?! TOO OPTIMISTIC??

  • 4 jayphoto // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    Alderwiereld really isn’t half the player alot make him out to be on here! For me Douglas is the best centrehalf in the eriedivisie! Just based on what ive seen, and even him i wouldn’t want agead of colo or MYM! There is some great players in Holland tho, Fischer is a great prospect! The one for me last year that really stood out was Van Ginkel who chelsea snapped up! Future of the dutch national team that lad

  • 5 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    VanToonMan

    I remember people saying that Chopra would be the next Shearer…in fact they said the same thing about Ameobi too…

    Sure, Ameobi isn’t the world’s best striker but his stats deceive as most of his appearances have been as a sub and when he’s started it’s often been due to an injury crisis and we just haven’t been playing well.

    The whole point of a loan is for Campbell to get tested elsewhere so we can judge him as a player for NUFC. I don’t want to see a lightweight 18 year old with no PL experience thrust up against big beastly defenders. Sure, if he’s ready for it, but more likely he’ll get dominated and we won’t score enough goals. Let him learn those lessons elsewhere!

    Jonas and Ameobi both do decent jobs for us. Sure, Jonas doesn’t have the ability or flair of Ginola or Robert, but he always puts in a good shift and doesn’t go missing in games. You should give him the respect he deserves for that.

  • 6 SuperShearer // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    FINALLY some good news. Missing out on Bent is a bullet dodged. He’ll be on big wages, is injury prone, has lost two yards of pace and frankly looks lazy. I hope the lad proves me wrong but I honestly would rather see us invest in an unproven Premier League player who is younger and hungrier for success.

  • 7 croftus5678 // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    gomis wanted to come to us also but ol was mucking around and now they regret it now we have withdrawn.

    personaly i would love either bent or gomis as i really dont like to think of us using shola again this season ! but gomis would be my first choice.

  • 8 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    Rooster

    Agreed that JFK needs to pull his finger out and sign someone else and hopefully he will. As for the coaching…don’t be so extreme. You’re reacting on the basis of us finishing 16th last season, were you saying that Pardew might be tapped up for England or Man Utd when we overachieved and finished in 5th the season before?

  • 9 richyg01 // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    We didn’t miss out on him, the transfer fee was NEVER realistic, so we never went past the initial enquiry with Villa.

    He is/was a decent player, and at the right price could do a job for us, but not at the over inflated prices Villa wanted.

    I bet he finds his old form at Fulham.

  • 10 richyg01 // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    @7

    Gomis rumors continue to rumble on though mate, could be why we ain’t made moves elsewhere yet.

  • 11 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    santonthenewmaldini

    I agree that we should be signing someone else, no doubt about that. But we can’t compete with Spurs’ spending at the moment sadly. We just have to buy more wisely and hopefully the tables will turn!

    We were led to believe that we were prepared to sign Remy in addition to the January incomings so really getting him on loan now is just a delayed signing. If he was fully fit then I wouldn’t be so bothered but I really want to see us sign one alternative striker. Gomis would fit the bill, I don’t think he’s a world beater but he’s a very different player to our other strikers and might allow the one similar striker (Shola) to leave.

  • 12 richyg01 // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Toon Squad Numbers In Full

    1. Tim Krul
    2. Fabricio Coloccini
    3. Davide Santon
    4. Yohan Cabaye
    6. Mike Williamson
    7. Moussa Sissoko
    8. Vurnon Anita
    9. Papiss Cisse
    10. Hatem Ben Arfa
    11. Yoan Gouffran
    13. Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa
    14. Loic Remy
    15. Dan Gosling
    16. Ryan Taylor
    17. Romain Amalfitano
    18. Jonas Gutierrez
    19. Massadio Haidara
    20. Gael Bigirimana
    21. Rob Elliot
    22. Sylvain Marveaux
    23. Shola Ameobi
    24. Cheick Tiote
    25. Gabriel Obertan
    26. Mathieu Debuchy
    27. Steven Taylor
    28. Sammy Ameobi
    29. Haris Vuckic
    33. Curtis Good
    34. James Tavernier
    36. Paul Dummett
    41. Conor Newton
    42. Jak Alnwick
    44. Remie Streete
    49. Adam Campbell

  • 13 Spartak Miserable // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Outdated article – quite a few on here, including myself pointed this out 6 hours ago when your article (based upon someone elses) suggested he was begging to come to us.

  • 14 jokinoot // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Not surprised but even he’s better than nothing might have been worth a punt

  • 15 croftus5678 // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    @10 richyg

    ye i agree we always seem to get lumbered with these timewasting deals that never come to anything :-(

    you would think with gomis with him wanting to leave and come to us and ol in financial problems not able to afford to keep him ect that that would have been a very easy and fast deal >.<

    we have money in the kitty now though and broke our wage cap with the remy deal so surely they can bring in a vital player or 2.

  • 16 derekm // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    dodged a bullet here Mr. Pardew – he’s truly a spent force!

  • 17 toonking // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    croftus you might aswell just forget about gomis because being the good buissness man cashley is, he can see a much cheaper player being bought in January we saw what happened last year with debuchy and quite a lot of our players are usually free transfers or in their last year of their current contract.

  • 18 Ibizatoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Fulham get Bent?
    NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Okay, nothing to see here. As you were, move on people.

  • 19 Jackel001 // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    Apparently we’ve rejected a bid for ben arfa from an English team.. Via twitter.

  • 20 Indian Magpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    what pardew has done to amalfitano is criminal.

  • 21 croftus5678 // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    @17 toonking

    ye erm….i kinda agree though that gomis is value’d way too high tbh esp being on the last year of his contract >.< 8.5mil for the last year for a 28yo (not world beating) striker ! i think we was over generous tbh.

    we have our up and coming striker in cambell but imo we need a muscle striker (who's not ameobi) to get us through the next season and prob half imo.

  • 22 nut meg // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    We might have to go back in for Gomis with Remy being out saying that all the donkey work’s been done.How fit will Bent be,he’s been frozen out of the first team squad & has training with kid? By the time he would be ready Remy should be back.

  • 23 Ibizatoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Indian…What’s Pardew done to Amalfitano then?

  • 24 Indian Magpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    not played him. for 1

  • 25 seasons // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    time to face up to it folks, we aint getting anymore 1st team players through the door. i for one was expecting lessons to have been learnt from last year. guess not.

    the core of the team is fine. its what we’ve got to bring on when we’re chasing the game as we all know strolla and mike ‘hoof ball’ williamson’ arent gonna cut it

  • 26 VanToonMan // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    TDS – “putting in a good shift” is a phrase for 1st team players in teams like Stoke. Not teams which have Krul Mbiwa Colo Cabaye Sissoko Ben Arfa Cisse.

    Are we a 15th place team? Or are we a top 8 team? We are not meant to be having on the bench let alone starting players who put in a good shift. This mentality is the exact reason why we have not even done well at National level – the Enlglish football philosophy from grassroot up has always been….”let’s pick players who put in a good shift”….nevermind if they are rubbish technically and don’t actually offer that much meaningful to the team.

    What does Shola actually offer to the team? Last season he scored 1 league goal in 23 appearances. Jonas….what does he offer to the team? He tracks back…ok cool….so then start him as a defender then if you think he does such a good job….because he doesn’t attack down the wing and put a lot of crosses in like a LW is meant to do….

    Forget this put in a good shift mentality unless you want to accept our team for the next decade as well to be a team like Stoke…finish around 13-16th season in season out. And if that’s the case then sell most of our first teamers…cos they definitely should not be in a team with such low ambitions.

    Jonas has ZERO pace….he looks clumsy on the ball and has no left foot so hardly puts quality crosses in. Name me a single top 10 team (forget top 8) who would play Jonas….or Shola for that matter. Would West Ham? No they have Jarvis….would everton? No they have pienaar…would Fulham?Southampton?Liverpool? The list goes on.

  • 27 richyg01 // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    Toon Squad Numbers In Full

    1. Tim Krul
    2. Fabricio Coloccini
    3. Davide Santon
    4. Yohan Cabaye
    6. Mike Williamson *
    7. Moussa Sissoko
    8. Vurnon Anita
    9. Papiss Cisse
    10. Hatem Ben Arfa
    11. Yoan Gouffran
    13. Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa
    14. Loic Remy
    15. Dan Gosling
    16. Ryan Taylor ***
    17. Romain Amalfitano
    18. Jonas Gutierrez
    19. Massadio Haidara
    20. Gael Bigirimana
    21. Rob Elliot
    22. Sylvain Marveaux
    23. Shola Ameobi *
    24. Cheick Tiote
    25. Gabriel Obertan *
    26. Mathieu Debuchy
    27. Steven Taylor
    28. Sammy Ameobi **
    29. Haris Vuckic **
    33. Curtis Good **
    34. James Tavernier **
    36. Paul Dummett **
    41. Conor Newton **
    42. Jak Alnwick
    44. Remie Streete **
    49. Adam Campbell

    Loaned Out
    Available for Transfer

    ** Looking for Loan Deals
    * Should be sold

    *** Long Term Injury

    SOURCE

  • 28 croftus5678 // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    @24 indian

    we cant play amal in place of cabaye/sissoko/anita/arfa ect
    he’s just not good enough ! he was brought in “just in case” he made the grade as he was league 2 player buddy.

  • 29 Felipe // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    If you’re not good enough you don’t get picked. Simples!

  • 30 Indian Magpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    Croftus

    May Be, but

    What about Sammy, Shola and Jonas, he could not have done any worse.

  • 31 richyg01 // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    @26

    We definitely are not a top 8 team, probably not even a top of the table team.

    We over exceeded ourselves when we finished 5th.
    Since then, we have stood still while all teams around us have improved.

    We are up for another relegation battle again this season, the problem we have is, come January when we are deep in the $hit, players like Benny, Cabs, Krul, Mbiwa, Sisko and Cisse (if they are still here come the end of this window) will be looking to jump ship and other teams will be looking to pick them up on the cheap.

    The future looks very bleak to say the least.

  • 32 VanToonMan // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    And don’t confuse player like Shearer etc with this whole “put in a good shift” philosophy. Yes Alan put in a good shift….but that’s not why Bobby and everyone else picked him…they picked him ‘cos he can smash it from 30yards on the volley…or get in the box past defenders and bury the header in the back of the net. That’s why he scored so many goals…which ultimately is what you get judged on as a Striker. Shola offers ZERO.

    Shearer was a better crosser than Jonas and Jonas is meant to be the winger!…Solano was not a world beater – but he provided something to the team…assists! He was a great supply line for shearer and bellamy. How many assists has Jonas produced over the last 3 seasons?

  • 33 Indian Magpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Should be applied to everyone then.

  • 34 Felipe // Aug 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    @Indian Mackem
    He doesn’t play in the same position as them. You’re just going to have to find something else to bleat on about.

  • 35 croftus5678 // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    @30 indian

    amal is not a striker buddy he never really scored hardly any goals.

    and sammy/jonas must have been considered better than him ! all i can say is that when i have watched him in reserves he did look poor tbh and by that i mean worse than sammy/jonas who i can norm pick out some good things they do on occasions but obv i didnt watch amalf all the time so he may have had some good points and moments.

  • 36 richyg01 // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Here we go again, yet another statement from Remi Garde, this time another change of direction:

    “Lyon coach Remi Garde is hopeful that Newcastle target Bafetimbi Gomis will sign a new deal with the club.”

  • 37 Indian Magpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Felipe

    Pardew is an inept manager out of his depth who is draining talent out of NUFC players

  • 38 Felipe // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    @Indian Magpie
    And you are an inept blogger who is draining the fun out of supporting NUFC.

  • 39 Indian Magpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    Croftus

    Bigi on the right, but not him.

    I saw a bit of him, he is not that bad.

  • 40 Indian Magpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    Felipe

    sorry mate.

  • 41 Ibizatoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    Indian..I’m fairly sure it was said when he arrived that he would not feature at all last season…I’ve not seen the lad, but perhaps there is good reason?

    This is where it all starts getting a little tiresome for me. Are we not scraping the bottom of the barrel a bit when we start slagging Pardew and saying the way he’s treated Amal is “criminal”…seems a little far fetched to me.

  • 42 Felipe // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    I just don’t get why people on here get so bent out of shape when their favourite players don’t get picked and they feel they have to lay into the ones that do with such venom. Jonas Gutierrez has been a fantastic player for Newcastle, he’s an Argentinian international and all you lot do is embarrass yourselves by showing how little you know about football. The same ones who lay into Jonas or Shola are the same ones banging on about Amalfitano or Campbell starting (two years ago it was Sammy and now the same people on here want shot of him too). I mean I don’t mind having a debate about whether Taylor or Mbiwa should start or whether Santon is better at RB or LB but just mindless laying into players who have been loyal servants to the club just really p**ses me off.

  • 43 croftus5678 // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    @39 indian

    i’m sorry buddy but i’m very biased when it comes to bigi as he’s my future england hope for the toon ! and if he got playing time in goal i’d play him (i joke ofc)

  • 44 toonking // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    VTM
    “This mentality is the exact reason why we have not even done well at National level – the Enlglish football philosophy from grassroot up has always been….”let’s pick players who put in a good shift”

    have you been watching football in recent years?
    their is no way on this planet that England players are chosen as starter for their work rate wayne rooney does nothing when he starts the reason the international team does so poor is because we don’t pick players based on the effort instead the manager thinks like a fan meaning that the players are best if they in the squad of the best clubs. bent was at sunderland and was the striker who was on his best form but instead cappello said “you are not getting picked unless you move south”.

    Newcastle had that 10 game unbeaten run because that team was built round the defence and midfield with 2 FB simmo and raylor who never give the opposition the chance to cross two wingers who would always have the ability and work rate to run the full length of the pitch both preventing and creating chance just a shame they were poor at creating them

  • 45 Felipe // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    cjtoon has come back from the brink today and is trying to be positive. If he can do it y’all can!!!

  • 46 Indian Magpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Ibiza

    Did you not last september that our squad was stronger than that of 2011-12. I am sure his arrival had something to do with it.

  • 47 nut meg // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Ibizatoon@41
    GC thought he may be a late developer like his brother was. GC also said he wouldn’t show anything last season but was hopeful he make progress for this coming season.I think he was a free or very small fee so not much to lose really.

  • 48 Tubai // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    Does Newcastle really have a listB for strikers?? A couple of days ago i read an article in the Journal that Remy might be the only summer signing as Mike Ashley thinks his five january signing are ones he had planned for the summer. So i guess that’s that and all other speculations are least important.

  • 49 Tommyy // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    Felipe – There is a big difference between loyal servitude and being a fantastic player. I’d be willing to bet my house that not one club have come in for Jonas with a serious offer in the 6 years he’s been here. Not exactly testing his loyal resolve is it?

    I don’t slate Jonas particularly because it offers very little, however I can fully appreciate why people do. He’s simply not good enough.

  • 50 croftus5678 // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    @42 felipe

    i agree even with my least fave player shola tbh !
    he’s the only striker of his type at the club and imo we need muscle which is prob why he’s played !
    i do however think we can get a lot more motivated and mobile tank up top though.

    and pre-season jonas has showed what a good attacking winger he can actually be (almost allways good defensively imo) weather he carries it on who is to know !

  • 51 richyg01 // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    @48

    We still have not replaced Ba.

    Yes we have got Remy in, BUT he is only on loan.
    There is no disguising the fact we have spent nothing this window.

  • 52 archaeomag // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    @Felipe
    - Negative fans – never happy about something or somebody – it’s just a different form of support I suppose [?]

  • 53 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    VanToonMan

    There’s more to a player than simple goals and assist stats you know. I guess you’d be one of those people who insisted that anyone who ever picked Heskey knows nothing about football…yet many top class managers did just that.

    And when you decry anyone who “puts in a shift”, look at Man Utd recently. I’d say that the likes of Fletcher, O’Shea, Brown, P. Neville put in shifts. In 2010/11 Evans started 11 games, Brown 4, O’Shea 18, Fletcher 24, Gibson 6 and even Obertan started 3!

    Everton are probably our closest rivals and their version of Ameobi is Anichebe – 167 appearances and just 26 goals!

    Not every club can have 3 or 4 top international strikers you know…

  • 54 toonking // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    croftus I keep thinking myself that with Jonas he gets more fatigued now because he has to do a lot more work defending the CM are having to do the defending on the right and the other is needed to like up play to the attack.

  • 55 Ibizatoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    nutmeg…Exactly. I think it was simply a case of let’s see.

    Indian…Sorry, you’ve lost me. Are you asking me whether I had previously said our squad was stronger and had Amalfitano been a contributing factor?

    If so, I may have argued that it wasn’t really any weaker and that we would benefit from our players having had a season together…which I accept was wrong and that enough strengthening didn’t take place. As for Amalfitano signing having much bearing on my opinion, hardly.

    Anyway, peace out one and all.

  • 56 santonthenewmaldini // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Thing with guys like Amalfitino and Abeid is that they should have been sent out on loan about a month after they arrived at the club to be playing football regular playing reserves have ruined any chance they had of making it here

    When Pardew is under pressure there is no way he seems to not want to try anything different even if what he is doing is not working for youngsters to succeed we would need a proper manager who will create a system that will suit our players and make the transition easy for a youngster to come in also the pish he does with picking his favourites needs to stop this year if Tiote , Jonas , Taylor play shite they should get dropped for next game

    From what I have seen the youngsters play football more on the deck and dont seem suited to the direct way Pardew wants to play !

    One of the worst things last season was against Man Utd at home we started with Ferguson and Santon as fullbacks which was actually a good idea we got beat (even though not the fullbacks fault really as we lost goals at corners with Evra scoring!) but he should have stuck with those 2 as attacking fullbacks for a few games to see how it went as we then got beat a lot of games in a row doing it the other way anyroad

  • 57 VanToonMan // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    I’m not blaming Jonas or Shola….it’s not their fault they are simply not good enough. I’m blaming the management – from owner to manager. Whoever decides on keep and selling players and which players start a game.

    It’s a simple question…name 2 top 10 teams who would start Shola or Jonas in their team? If not…then stop with the “slating loyal servants” statements. The fact remains they are not good enough. Seem like lovely guys…but they are not good enough. You can’t have Cabaye a France international in your central midfield on one end and then have Shola up top on the other end.

    It’s like wearing a Hugo Boss shirt and Primark shoes!

    Either we get told by the management now that we will be no better than a 13-16th side so that we can realign our mentality and hopes….or we get told and shown real ambition.

    It’s pretty well known that from grassroot level up…the mentality within english football has been work rate…putting in a shift…strength. Maybe that has changed very recently but it’s been like that for a number of years…in comparison to the football philosophy of teams like Germany, Spain, Brazil, Portugal, Holland

  • 58 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    YES!!! Delighted not to be wasting our money on Darren Bent!!

    About those apparent Alderweireld quotes: Kets better put those trousers straight in the washing machine….

  • 59 Felipe // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    @Tommy 49
    According to you he’s not. According to 6 different Newcastle managers and two Argentina managers he certainly is. Now let me think who knows more about football….?
    You wouldn’t know a footballer if one tackled you.

  • 60 Felipe // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    @Vanmackemman
    I refer you to the comment at #59

  • 61 DokToon // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    felipe @ 34,

    i may not agree with you much, but my coffee has been spit out due to your post.. thank you for that sir :)

  • 62 Slank // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Repost

    wynsleap // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    “Tottenham’s revenue is 50% higher than ours”. With us having bigger gates than them why should that be?

    Suggest you read Swiss Ramble. All the figures are there. In the 2010/2011 season Spurs had match day revenue of £43.3M. We had £24.3. Nearly double ours.

  • 63 richyg01 // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:43 PM

    Reports are that we are going to make a £5M bid for Alderweireld, possibly before the Man City Game.

  • 64 richyg01 // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    Russian giants Spartak Moscow have also lodged a bid of £5 million for the player.

    However, it is understood that the 24-year-old would prefer a move to England next season as opposed to Russia, despite Spartak having offered Alderweireld personal terms of £60,000 per week, and now the Magpies are hoping to be able to persuade the central defender to make the move to St James’ Park.

  • 65 toonking // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    tommy
    Q.how many players have had a serious offer from our current team?

    A. not many the only ones which have had official bids so far that I can name are cabaye and tiote the rest including HBA have been just rumors and paper talk.

  • 66 DokToon // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    richy, and if that happens, we wil start him immedaitely

  • 67 Thump // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Fine by me. On to the next.

  • 68 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    VanToonMan

    We only start Shola when we don’t have anyone else. Like I said, I’d put Cisse, Remy and Goofy ahead of him and he’s not bad as a 4th choice striker. Everton have Anichebe as I mentioned.

    As for Jonas…well I’d say he’s similar to players like Fletcher and Osman. And I don’t think you can judge his performance on stats alone.

  • 69 JP...from The Rock // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    VanToonMan – Very well put, I salute you :)

    I have to agree with you you hit the nail on its head. I question the same points you made every day. Strolla should be no where near our team and Gutierrez should be used more as a LB or CDM, he’s no winger that’s for sure.

    Its just so easy for us to become a top 6 side if we fix these minor issues, sadly though our tight owner doesn’t give a fcuk!

  • 70 santonthenewmaldini // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Would love us to sign Alderweild! Would be the 1st time ever as a Toon fan where we would have proper quality cover at the back

    Seriously doubt it tho unless Colo or Taylor is leaving/injured long term as not sure any of those 4 are going to be happy to sit on the bench in a world cup year to be honest

  • 71 myoung23 // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    No surprise, we don’t want any1!!!! Just spending the record 70m TV cash on more high street stores!! So much dead wood needs replaced!! Sinclair far better than pards favourite jonas!!

  • 72 Bloody Marveauxlous // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Lads,

    There are many reports from credited reporters that we have asked Chelsea for the LOAN of Victor Moses – what do you think??

  • 73 SuperShearer // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    @Bloody he’d be a good loan signing but only if there is an option to buy at the end of the season. He’s quick, direct and knows how to beat a man. Could be a good option on either flank and great energy to have off the bench. If it’s true I’d be pretty happy.

  • 74 Bloody Marveauxlous // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Yeah twitter is rife with rumours of a loan deal, better than Jonas probs!

  • 75 VanToonMan // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Felipe…I’m not a mackem! I am and always have been a newcastle united supporter. Which is why I am so frustrated at the persistence of Jonas and Shola in the squad and the lack of transfer activity. I am not saying we should go and frivolously spend £50million. However, what I am saying is that we have a GENUINE chance of strongly challenging the top 6 – maybe even the top 4 (with luck on injuries) – if we JUST ADDED TO THE SQUAD PROPERLY!

    We need a RB, a CB, a LW and a ST. And if we want to aim for top 6 then people who do not deserve to be in a top 6 squad should be got rid of…..Just like Simpson and Perch were….Jonas and Shola need to.

    Gosling’s only difference is he is younger and MAY show potential to improve to be worthy of a top 6 squad place. But that is what our ambition should be….25 man squad – all 25 players should worthy of a squad place in a top 6 team. And frankly I don’t think Jonas or Shola would get into the squad (let alone starting spot) of any current top 6 team.

  • 76 lukes26 // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    0 chance of loaning Victor. Unless chelsea feel we arent a rival. Maybe Im deluded, but I think they would. newcastle finished top 5 two years ago. Its not like any club just does that.

  • 77 noladonna // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Can’t wait for Monday night, I’m feeling quite optimistic for the upcoming season it’s football anything can happen i reckon our squad is decent enough, the only thing I’m concerned about is Ben arfa is overweight clearly, have a word Pardew!!

  • 78 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    VanToonMan

    When you say top 6 team…you do realise that Chelski, Citeh and Man Utd are absolutely mega rich? And Arsenal and Liverpool are super rich? Even Spurs are rich when compared to us, with 50% higher revenue based on 10 top 10 finishes in the last 12 seasons and qualifying for Europe in the last 4 seasons.

    We don’t deserve to be top 6 just because we have an average attendance of 50,000 you know…

  • 79 north_country_boy // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    TDS – I didn’t mean I wanted us to spend £59m as Spurs have done – the point I was trying to make was that we are so close (prob 3 players) to having the best squad I have seen us have (I’m 37 by the way) and its just so frustrating as it appears that we can all see it but it seems that the guys at the top can’t (I know we don’t always see what is going on behind the scenes) but then that’s another major problem we all know about – lack of any kind of communication with the fans but hopefully plans are in place to put that right sooner rather than later, obviously they aren’t going to come out and tell us who we are after for obvious reasons but it just seems to me that common sense would be to get the players in early to get used to each other and the way we play and hit the ground running at the beginning of the season instead of in October and are playing catch up!

  • 80 valle // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    I dont agree with the need for a RB… A CB, MC, ATT and a winger is what we need in a perfect world. In Reality we migth be lucky to get 2 of those.

  • 81 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Evening folks!

    Now this is good news indeed…or it will be if we hurry up and sign someone else ;)

  • 82 valle // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Regarding Moses… I dont like the idea about playing other clubs players into form. So unless we have an option to buy, no thanks.

  • 83 Slank // Aug 15, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    lukes26 @ 76

    ‘… loaning Victor. Unless chelsea feel we arent a rival. Maybe Im deluded,..’

    We aren’t rival.

  • 84 boater // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    VanToonMan – Jonas and Shola are whipping boys for the club’s perceived lack of progression, but they still influence league results – despite your’s and others complete lack of grace in failing to rise above the mob mentality to admit to.

    Shola’s a better finisher than Gouffran, and happy to come on for the closing stages of games – where he still makes an impact from the bench i.e. Benfica and QPR last season. No offers came in for Shearer in 10 years- nor have they for Colo, Cabaye, Tiote, Cisse or Ben Arfa – does that mean they would have added nothing to other club’s squad options?

    In your head Campbell is ready and able – and whilst it’s very difficult argue with someone operating under a private fallacy – he’s really not at all.

  • 85 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    north_country_boy

    Consider this…you know how much money the club has spent in recent seasons on some top players. Add up the transfer fees of Cabaye, Tiote, Cisse, Ba, MYM, Sissoko, Debuchy, Goofy, Anita and they really don’t add up to much. Now if the club had instead gone out and signed an obvious top midfielder instead of Tiote, then they wouldn’t have had the money to sign a couple of other players.

    So…we know that the club has limited money to spend and we know they are looking for value for money. Unless you believe that links to the likes of Gomis are just propaganda (in which case there is no hope for us having a meaningful conversation), then the club is trying to sign players but will not overpay.

    I think as fans, we can tend to become blinkered and see things only from our club’s perspective. I think also too many people on here play Championship Manager and tend to think that our club can behave differently to every other club.

    For every good player valued reasonably, there will be literally dozens of potential clubs for him to go to. For a very good player then maybe there will be less but some of them can offer European football. I don’t see how it is easy to get players of the quality of Cisse or Cabaye to our club without paying huge fees. The likes of Southampton and Norwich have paid big money for players but they have significant weaknesses elsewhere. I’d say that if Remy was fit then we have a pretty strong squad good enough for top 8.

    I want to see us sign at least one more attacking player this window and I’d like to see us challenge the top 6 again but we know the club has to operate within its budget. I still think there must be room to squeeze in a signing around the fee and wages of Gomis and I hope this happens, but I don’t want to see us sign out 6th choice for 50% more money just because we haven’t got anyone else in. That’s what happened under the previous owners and it left us in a mess.

  • 86 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    …but it will be interesting to see who is on this B-list of players ;)

  • 87 Toon Tang // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    probs dodged a high velocity round not signing this mush anyways, woulda been injured half a game into the season.

  • 88 John Tudor // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    failure to prepare equates to preparing to fail

  • 89 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    Players out:

    Tiote – £20m
    Cabaye – £25m
    Williamson – £1m
    Tavernier – £1.5m
    Gosling – £1.5m
    Obertan – £2m
    Amalfitano – £1m
    Shola – £500k

    Total = £52.5m

    Players in:

    Alderweireld – £5m
    Aly Cissokho – £4m
    Christian Eriksen – £10m
    Siem De Jong – £9m
    Mcmanaman – £5m
    Gomis – £7m
    Doumbia – £14m

    Total spend = £54m

    Net spend = £1.5m

    Jon done.

  • 90 toon kk // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    TDS
    Where do you see us in five years time? Will we be a top ten club or a team in the championship? MA clearly doesn’t want to invest very much in the squad, he has no money spare the club is still deep in debt. Could be worrying times, what do you think?

  • 91 John Tudor // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    cracking player jon done

  • 92 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Kets…who is Jon Done? ;)

    …Tiote for £20M you say? And who is going to pay that? (counting on Liverfool to make a fool out of them self again are we ;) )

  • 93 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Someone has been having a relaxed summer ;) lol

    http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/shock-photos-of-hatem-ben-arfa/?

  • 94 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    Would anyone else have Opa Nguette from Valenciennes ? . Young hungry French winger.

  • 95 AndyNUFC // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    Ketsbaia9 – why would you want us to sign McManaman?

  • 96 John Tudor // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    i would have Huge Fryupp on a free

  • 97 AndyNUFC // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Jesper he hasn’t got a double chin yet so I think he’s OK. He’ll be a better player for putting weight on as when he had Enrique in his back pocket against ‘Pool you could see how much balance & strength he has in this league now.

  • 98 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    toon kk

    5 years? I see us firmly established in the top 10 of the Premier League. Hopefully a similar status to Spurs by then and hopefully we are in a fantastic position to capitalise should any of the current top 6 drop. The problem is that the top 6 are seriously wealthy compared to the rest so it will take consistent good decisions from us and a couple of really bad seasons from one of them for us to genuinely displace one of them. We need to be solidly in the top 6 to have a chance of consecutive CL appearances and that’s going to be seriously tough.

  • 99 DokToon // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    97 hours til kickoff, in case anyone is wondering….

  • 100 John Tudor // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    time to get 5 in and integrate into a cohesive effective fighting machine

  • 101 Beattie25 // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    I’ve been thinking.

    If we had only signed Remy but also fired Pardew and brought in a new manager how would the feeling be on this blog?

    Would it be like it is now with many dreading the upcoming season?

    Or would it be one of cautious optimism but light disappointment that we had only signed Remy so far.

    I have a feeling that the team isn’t to weak in terms of ability and that it is Akan that is the cause of a lot of the unrest, nerves and trepidation for the upcoming season.

  • 102 John Tudor // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    akan coucan

  • 103 Slatymag // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Same players without Pardew (as long as you’re not talking JFK) and I would be much, much more optimistic. I’d even be looking forward to the season!

  • 104 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    toon kk

    I really don’t think people appreciate how tough it will be for us to get into the CL. Man Utd, Chelski and Citeh have absolutely mega amounts of money compared to us so they need to seriously screw up to finish below us (as Chelsea did 2 seasons ago) and the other 3 clubs are seriously wealthy and very very well established in the top positions. Just consider this for the top 6:
    Man Utd – champions 7 times since 2000 (lowest position 3rd)
    Man City – top 5 for the last 4 years (inc. champions once), top 6 for the last 6 years and seriously wealthy
    Chelsea – champions 3 times since 2000 (lowest position 6th)
    Arsenal – champions 2 times since 2000 (lowest position 4th)
    Liverpool – top 8 since 2000 (actually since 1962!)
    Spurs – 10 out of 13 top 10 finishes since 2000, top 5 for last 4 seasons

    When you consider that, you can see the difficulty that we have to get into the top 6. Those clubs are so well established in those top places and have only had the odd blip. It’s going to take some time…

  • 105 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Beattie25

    Unrest, nerves and trepidation? From the fans you mean?

    There’s absolutely bugger all evidence that even a single player wants out because of Pardew. In fact, all evidence points towards him being a fantastic man manager and several players have spoken out in support off him.

    If he was that crap and we had no chance of top 8, then don’t you think the likes of Cisse, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Krul, MYM, Debuchy, Tiote etc. would have kicked up a real fuss???

    All the damn fans on here deciding that they know what’s really going on at the club (we’re doomed!) while those who are really in the know are just preparing to get on with their job and aim for a great season for our club.

  • 106 Slatymag // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    But without properly addressing the goal threat AND with Pardew at the helm it seems we are just willing a sh*t storm.

  • 107 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    I’ve said this before, but who needs mackems when we have our own fans to slag off our owner, manager, coaching staff and players…

  • 108 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 15, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    @Kets – I really can’t see why you’d want Mcmanaman – Decent performances from an unknown player in high profile, TV games tends to build hype.

    I see him as another James Mclean. 1 dimensional and based on pace rather than technique.

    I’m sure he’ll turn out better than Mclean but don’t think he’d be worth signing.

  • 109 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    The 3 musketeers are sitting in the office laughing their t..s off at us mugs. Even Norwich are buying 10 million + players.
    Dunno how pardew can talk to the press it’s a absolute disgrace.

  • 110 beddersmag // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Toondarnsarf

    Great post. Pardew haters on here might win more support if they offered praise where its due. If pardew can get through last season without any players going to the press or on twitter to slate him, even those out of favour, then it is clear his man management is excellent. He clearly has the support of the group. Even barton, while slating the chairman and ceo, had praise for pardew.

  • 111 John Tudor // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    no support needed here

  • 112 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    @ beattie

    I still maintin the best signing we could have made was a new manager. our manager has all the gear (in terms of players) but no idea

  • 113 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Pardew excellent man management skills??? Are you pulling my plonker. He has a squad of internationals that look like they’ve just met up for a paintballing session. I was close to tears watching the Liverpool 0-6 game. That day I was done with the clown

  • 114 colwell // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Some on here give praise when praise is deserved, some give no praise even when deserved and then there are the others who give praise for some strange reason when it is not at all deserved.

    Every fans from every team will slate players,managers its a given right. We pay good money and are entitled to voice an opinion. If one’s point differs to another does this make them wrong? Of course not.

    Currently the so called neggers have good points, Lack of ambition,poor tactics and the facts are all there to see the positives however are not.

  • 115 Ibizatoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    It’s quite fitting that the club wouldn’t have helped with this transition, given how they tend to run things, perhaps someone on here can help?

    What colour player would feature on a “B-List”? Before anyone jumps to conclusions, I am talking the Llambias player colour spectrum….not the player himself…phew.

    I assume “A-List” is purple, but after that I am lost. Any help? Anyone have a Kinnear to Llambias dictionary?

  • 116 toon kk // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    TDS
    Do you think we’ll get a couple of quality signings in before the window closes? Will you be p…d off if we don’t? Most fans will be. Or would you understand we just simply can’t afford to buy?
    Sorry for all the questions just wondered what you thought.

  • 117 Ibizatoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Scout…It would be interesting to hear how the team paintballing session went actually.

    What would be the paintballing equivalent to hoofing?

  • 118 John Tudor // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    colwell
    top post of the past 3 years
    it is the right of anyone to voice an opinion on here

  • 119 JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Have we signed anyone yet ???

    Thought not ;)

  • 120 toonking // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    beddermag
    I bet these pardew bashers will be celebrating the moment that the opposition score a goal.
    they don’t know enough about the real world of football instead they use the gaming world as their main football knowledge. when on a computer they control everything from the tactics formation and subs to movment passes and tackles of the players themselves.
    so if a match is not good then they simply blame themselves for loosing it as they controlled the players.

  • 121 low fell mag // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Just a quick one,dont know if this concerns Newcastle or not .
    Things are not done @ dusted regarding Bent at Fulham according to talk sport .
    It seems Bent is stalling on the transfer,

  • 122 Jamesthefirst // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    All the negative comments about getting tanked by Man City, should have some faith. They were awful against Arsenal 2 weeks ago. So bad at the back that even Ameobi would score.

    Don’t mind if we get beat. We are expected to. What I want to see is the commitment to attack that we saw at Old Trafford last season. Best game we played. Went after them from the first whistle.

    Go after them Pardew. No negativity.

  • 123 Ibizatoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    An observation from the fence…

    Not all Anti-Pardew or Pro-Pardew fans can be grouped together like people tend to do on here.

    This whole, if you’re negative you’re a mackem, or if you don’t like Pardew your only football knowledge comes via a game, or if you believe that Pardew was dealt a bad hand last season and could / should do better this year then you’re a deluded idiot with spam for brains, rubbish needs to stop.

    No wonder the mood on here is so bad, everyone getting their backs up and is in battle mode. Just chill out a little bit, try and take some enjoyment out of the blog…you all know you’d be going nuts without it, so let’s try and not go nuts with it…just for a bit.

    Everyone, well most, have something interesting to say and add to the discussion, which is what it should be. The above type comments are not discussion starters but statements…take them to twitter, it doesn’t help anything on here.

    The blog police :) xx

  • 124 JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    If I’m classed as a ‘Pardew Basher’ (which I’d be amazed if I’m not) I will not be celebrating when we concede a goal and it’s an infantile notion that any fan would.

    The reason, indeed the only reason that I dislike the man as our manager so much is that he is simply not good enough, one decent season in a career littered with failure and relegations proves that the man is not good enough.

    And if anyone believes that there will be some kind of miraculous turn around from last season pathetic showing of excuses and shifting of blame then they are kidding themselves

  • 125 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    If we snap up Alderweireld, Eriksen and Gomis, I think we’ll finish in the top 6.

  • 126 JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Jamesthefirst

    Playing City in our first game is the perfect time to come up against them imo

  • 127 Ibizatoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    lowfell…Is that meant to be good or bad news? :)

    James…I long for a day when football can become simple again. At the end of the day I want to see my team give a spirited play…the rest is just a bonus.

    Still…it would be nice to not be facing Man City in the first game, but hey ho, let’s go.

  • 128 Jamesthefirst // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    @JackButler – exactly, they will be under massive pressure to impress the new manager. Make them nervous. Joe Hart is in terrible form at the moment.

    Regardless of what fans think of Pardew, we have the PLAYERS to give City a run for their money. Wigan beat them in the Cup final.

  • 129 toon kk // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    What I find about us is we’re so unpredictable (apart from last season) we can play some great football we’re up for it and want to win, then the following week I’ve never seen so much sh.t, we can’t be bothered and look so lacklustre. I know all teams have off days but we take the biscuit. Is it our fitness or has training gone badly? Who knows.

  • 130 Ibizatoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    toon kk…We can seriously be a Jekyll and Hyde team for sure.

    I know it’s probably fairly obvious and the real question is why, but fitness and imo confidence were huge factors in our downfall last season.

  • 131 tom68 // Aug 15, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    Ibizatoon

    Spot on about classing everyone the same. I’ve been a season ticket holder for 24 years but no more. I’m entitled to my opinion on here as well as all the nufc supporters from around the world.

    I’m sick of pardew at my club and think we desperately need a change.

    I would love to meet TDS, Low Fell Mag and Toonking and have them call me a mackem wanker to my face. You are all just faceless mugs at least as bad as the constant pardew bashers

  • 132 low fell mag // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    Just a quick one from myself.
    I am not either pro Pardew or anti Pardew.
    As it stands im sitting on the fence.
    I would have taken Benitses at the end of the season over Pardew whilst he was available.
    Since he went to Italy ,that was that.
    Therefore I think Pardew should be given till xmas., as there is not a great lot better out there.
    Yes that Liverpool game was a disgrace with his team selection @ tactics, yes we flirted with relegation along with 8 other teams ,but we were robbed and I mean robbed of a place in the Semi finals of the Uefa cup .
    But what gets me is these sad b@stards on here ridiculing the club .
    We are in the Premier league with some outstanding players ,the best team for along time, so get behind your team give your support and try going to a game, you never know it you might enjoy it.

  • 133 GeordieTwo // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    Is Huge Fryup available again JT @96? I thought he (alias Mark Viduka) had gone back to Aus mate?

  • 134 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Anyone know if I could pay on the gate for the west ham game?

  • 135 reccerobbo // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Is any one got an nufcblog private league going for the sun dream team??

  • 136 hadthetshirt // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    According to the crack,Remy out till mid Sept.
    I can’t see us getting anything at shitty.I just hope it’s not a 0-5 battering.West Ham and Fulham we should be looking for 6 points.If pardwho fails to deliver even 2 points (as he will set us up with 1 up front in fear of losing). I think he will get his taxi fare.Then JFK takes over and has heart attack coz we cant get out of bottom 3.Will this nightmare ever end.Of course It could be a dream start and we get 1 point at shitty and 6 out of the 2 home games.Positive thinking.Oh hang on we have pardwho as gaffer.

  • 137 DokToon // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    ibiza @ 123..

    worst post in thrre years… you must be a fifa playing, mackem loving, pardew loving yankee from texass, or worse, from some mythical region in ,lets say, spain, where al the women are bronzed goddesses (like such a place even exists).. how dare you tell us to settle down, you pardew hater… stop being so positive about the toon, and more negativity please…

    lmao… how are ya buddy?

  • 138 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    West ham probably have a better team than us at full strength such is our static efforts in the transfer market

  • 139 Ibizatoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    Dok…I knew straight away that was a wind up….I know for sure I’ve written worse posts :)

    Doing pretty well mate. Busy with work, but still have a smile on my face. How’s things with you? Working for Budweiser, do they let you enjoy a nice cold beer during work during the summer heat? I doubt it, but it sounds decent.

  • 140 toonking // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    Ibizatoon

    the thing which causes all this is when bloggers repeat the same thing every time.

    JB124 you say that about the manager. what is their that is so different about the players?
    they didn’t come from the bundesliga or la liga they came from the French league and the teams in that league are miles behind the top 6 teams in our league.

    for a team to have any chance of getting into the top 6 you need players that are able to play two games a week the place you are most likely to get them from is the german English Spanish and maybe Italian league. teams from leagues like the French and dutch league get no further than the groups.

  • 141 DokToon // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    yeah they let me have a drink on the clock, while watchign newcastle on the tv… id trade my wife for that deal… or just trade her for the beer :)

  • 142 kt97toonarmy // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Evening lads

    Well bent ain’t coming that’s great news but then again we need a striker nd I think left back will b a fight next season between santon nd dummett as he was class against braga whereas santon as always gets caught out nd doesn’t track back he’s bloody awful

  • 143 breno95 // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    So much crap posted on here.
    Constant moaning on lack of signings
    lack of money spent
    Ashley taking millions for himself bollox
    loads of FIFA13 managers who would sign x, y & z just like that with no hitches.
    Amazed at the total stupidity of posters who all seem to know 1st hand whats happening at NUFC.
    If yr not happy go support the clubs who buy everyone and anyone.
    Plenty clubs not done very much in the market yet.
    As for those who are throwing out names of clubs such as Norwich, Soton, hull, cardiff etc just take a closer look as to who they have signed.
    . Most if not all not good enough for NUFC.

  • 144 John Tudor // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    another load.
    dont tell who or what to do

  • 145 jazzyp // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Good evening all
    Bren-Are you happy with how things are going at the moment mate with Nufc.
    I think people would just like to see a little bit of ambition from the owner of this club, That’s all bud. And seeing clubs around us signing players makes you a bit envious of what they are wanting to achieve.

  • 146 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    142
    Are you having a laugh, people are seriously pi..ed off with the whole situation and you reckon the signings others have made aren’t good enough for NUFC get a look at yourself man.

  • 147 lesh // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    Like many I’m sure, I’ve kept a positive head on and tried to justify Ashley’s approach to managing Newcastle United over the past couple of years or two.

    We’ve experienced relegation, the euphoria of reaching 5th spot and just missing out of the Champions League. An opportunity to move forward, yes but was that opportunity taken? No!

    A lack of investment the following summer plus injuries had us facing relegation to be avoided only as a result of sloppy Wigan play in their final game. In fairness, we did buy well in January – in Llambias’s view, we made a mistake by not strengthening in the previous window.

    Llambias seemed to carry the can for that and he was replaced by the self-styled Mr Football himself when Kinnear was announced as Director of Football, after he’d announced it himself on radio. That after hope that there would be improvements to the technical coaching side.

    So, Mr Football, was appointed to correct the failings of the previous structure and acknowledged the need for new blood in the form of two strikers at least.

    Despite the individual whose credibility wasn’t exactly on a high after his earlier period at the club, there was a period of optimism.

    And where are we today? No sign of the rumoured and necessary changes to our coaching regime, one on loan striker who’s injured and players sold or allowed to leave without replacement!

    Given that catalogue of mismanagement, I think that the pessimism, cynicism and air of negativity could be understood. I must sadly include myself among those with misgivings about Mike Ashley’s ownership and the direction he’s either taken the club or presided over it drifting, rudderless towards the rocks

    The season kicks off on Monday for us and ok there’s time to bring players in, but will it happen?

    Please Mr Ashley, get a grip!

  • 148 low fell mag // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Breno95. hit the nail on the head , good shout!

  • 149 JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    toonking

    We have one of the strongest squad we’ve had a years and yet under Pardew we were left to rely on Wigan loosing games in order for us to retain our premier league status!

    As for the players, well when you have a manager who does not know how to set up training sessions to the extent that the players themselves are openly complaining about how poor they were something is very, very wrong.

    Under a better manager we would be very close to the top 6, under Pardew we will be luck to scrape into the top ten.

    We have one of the best scouts in the premier league but they are all wated on a man that is incapable of getting the best out of them and who’s formations, line-up’s and tactics are archaic.

    He’s also glad that we do not have European football to ‘Contend’ with

  • 150 low fell mag // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Oops there goes Bobby Kerr @ 143

  • 151 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Anyone else think that Bent will score plenty at Fulham?

  • 152 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    toon kk

    Sorry for the delay in responding…I said at the beginning of the transfer window that I thought the key targets were a striker/attacking midfielder/winger and an out and out striker. We signed the former and I still expect/hope us to get the latter. I will not be particularly happy if we fail as I think that means JFK has not done the job he is “the best in the Premier League” at.

    If we do, then I will be happy enough but I’d like to see us sign a few more youngsters like Bigi and Haidara that can push the first team.

  • 153 jazzyp // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    As we seem to be going for loan signings, Remy-supposed victor moses from chelski. What about Sackho as PSG are after loaning him out for the season with a view to a permanent deal.
    Best of both worlds as it solves a defensive problem and Mashley doesn’t have to open his Wallet !!

  • 154 USAGEORDIE // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Fernandez would be a good buy for £3m. Add a young striker like Batshuayi or Nwofor and a winger and I think we’re done. Not too busy of a window but with Fernandez we get a bit of creativity in the midfield. Obviously at this point with no solid links our ‘buying big’ dreams are over.

  • 155 Mancgeordie // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Thauvin, Gomis and Alderwield would be a dream finish to the window

  • 156 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Those who are claiming that the players who signed for Norwich, Villa aren’t good enough could do with paying more attention to both European and lower league football.

    Leroy Fer, Nathan Redmond, Okore, Bacuna, Caulker, Bony, Van Wolfswinkel etc would all have made huge additions to our squad.

  • 157 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Despite what some people may say, I’m well and truly on the fence regarding Pardew, but I’m very firm in my belief that we should get behind him and the team fully over the next few months. I find the negative comments completely pointless as they’re not going to change anything. If we haven’t improved after 2 or 3 months then I’ll join you neggers in demanding for him to leave, but personally I’d rather we have a corking season.

  • 158 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Fulham have got a decent team now like . Bent and Berbatov up front, Steklennberg, Ruiz.

  • 159 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    Should read Norwich, Villa etc

  • 160 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    Ruddy

    And how many of those would be guaranteed starters in our 11? I imagine every one of them moved expecting to play most games before perhaps looking at the next step in their career.

  • 161 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    TDS

    Join us who? Careful how you’re stereotyping people. Btw I’ve never not been behind the team, will always support the team, but the simple fact is that the manager is not good enough.

  • 162 Mister Tuff // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    how tornip heed from the Heed. You are a nasty fellow -coming on calling people bast@rds. Great input. I now picture you as follows;-
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WOUz79-gxoE/Tw74WY1z8FI/AAAAAAAAAww/si3zh7oELuY/s200/images-1.jpg

  • 163 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    TDS

    With an intelligent manager, Bony or RVW would have started, as would Fer, Okore might not necessarily start for Villa but he has a big future, and the same goes for Redmond. Caulker is a cracking player, and would run Colo and M’biwa close.

  • 164 JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    To be honest, to me it doesn’t really matter to me who other clubs are signing as when we do actually sign anyone it’s usually a good signing, what does worry me though is that other teams are showing far more ambition than us and as a consequence their squads are getting stronger and stronger

  • 165 breno95 // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    Jazzy
    no is the only answer to yr question. Yes it would be great if in every window the club brought in 4-5 players and built the quality of the squad up. However you then have to move players out which when they are on good contractd is easier said than done. Bent at villa for example.
    Everybody was as happy as larry in january when big mike took control and the result was 5 in 4 days. Trouble is the negative slant is put on those deals by almost all on here who all seem to know better.
    We have a very good squad – fact. Yes 4 new faces would be nice for CB, 2 x quick wide men and 1 x CF but its not like FIFA13 as most think.
    Scout
    name me one from Soton, Norwich, Hull etc that would improve us greatly? Would love to read who it is pal.
    Finally to Lowfell Mag. Cheers for the backing but us lads from The Fell have to stick together.

  • 166 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    Ruddy

    Looking into it further…

    Fer – good enough for Everton but a knee issue and we’re heavy in central midfield
    Redmond – totally unproven but was cheap. Absolutely no evidence to suggest he would compete for our first team yet
    Okore – ok maybe as our 4th choice centre back but no great loss and I’d rather the money went towards a striker
    Bacuna – I don’t know much about him but we can’t sign every young player. There are 19 other clubs in the PL looking to do the same!
    Caulker – £9M for a defender who couldn’t get into the Spurs team??? No thanks. If he was that good then he’d have gone to a better club than Cardiff. He’d be 3rd choice at best for us.
    Bony – sure, he must have been on our shortlist, but at the time we were going for PEA who is definitely superior
    RvW – I’m not too bothered about him. I think he’s decent but I haven’t seen anything to make me think he’ll be amazing in the Prem. I could be proved wrong though.

    I bet if Remy and Gomis had moved to another club in the Prem then you’d be saying the same thing…

    I wonder what other clubs’ fans are saying about Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Cisse, Debuchy, MYM, Sissoko and others…

  • 167 investinyouthtoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    Totally agree that most players who have signed for clubs like Hull and Cardiff but at least theyre showing signs of ambition, whereas were more intent to resting on our laurels and hoping what we have will be more than good enough.

    Though I hope im wrong and that they manage to bring in a desperately needed wideman such as Sinclair. Actually think buying a young talent such as Bruma would be ideal as well as Alderweireld providing he wants to actually come here, as a replacement for the obvious outgoing of Colo next summer….

  • 168 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    wolf at Norwich mate

  • 169 toonking // Aug 15, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    JB
    us having the best scout in the league is complete rubbish. players that are found by good scouts will be targets for other decent team what doesn’t happen is a player that we fail to get instead joins a relegated club.

    the fact about our scout is he is very good at finding cheap players. you can have the best scouts in the world but players don’t join teams with no trophy for 47 year unless they give 100K wages.

    what the players do on the pitch is their own choice this year is a world cup year so players are expected to show signs of how good they are.

    a final point I have that shows why these are not that good players arsenal had a astonishing team but 8 years ago they did just what we are doing at the minute getting French players of course and what has happened is they now are nowhere near city united or Chelsea when it comes to winning the league.

  • 170 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Ruddy

    I didn’t direct the “neggers” comment at anyone in particular to be honest, but yeah I meant anyone constantly calling for Pardew to leave and especially those threatening to get out banners or boo.

    So what did you think of some of our other managers? Gullitt? Souness? Roeder? Nobody has lived up to SBR or KK (the first time) but that doesn’t make him rubbish.

  • 171 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    Fer went to Norwich, is a cracking player, heavy in midfield? Can never be too heavy when it comes to quality.

    Never said Okore or Redmond would start, but we aren’t exactly churning out top class youngsters are we so why are you so quick to shrug your shoulders when an exciting English prospect transfers to another club?

    As for RVW, well let’s just say I strongly disagree with you. On one hand you want us to focus on signing a ST and an excellent one goes to Norwich for a snip and you claim he isn’t good enough.

    Mystified by your logic.

  • 172 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    No evidence Redmond would push our first team. Lol
    What ahead of Jonas haha brilliant

  • 173 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Ruddy

    If we already have Cisse and Remy, then I don’t see how RvW or Bony would always start. We also have Ben Arfa, Goofy and Marv in the attacking roles. Fer wouldn’t get I when we have Cabaye, Tiote, Sissoko and Anite alreay in CM either.

  • 174 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Souness, Guillit, Allyrdyce, Roeder et al were pathetic managers, and we are lumbered with yet another one.

    Once more, mystified by your logic.

  • 175 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    Caulker would walk in our defence, we conceded 70 league goals. FFs
    Tony Adams would get in

  • 176 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    Ruddy

    I just really really don’t get the mentality that every time a good player moves somewhere else “we should have signed him”. Maybe he preferred the area, maybe he got on better with the manager, maybe it’s easier to get home, maybe a team mate is a friend. Who knows! But we can’t be the best at absolutely everything so why don’t you stop looking for the negative in every single area?

    Sure, Fer looks like a decent player but Everton nearly got him for £8.6M and said no due to a knee injury. Why spend that much money on an area we’re already heavy? I’d rather see that invested in younger players or in a striker!

  • 177 Belfast // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    Lee Ryder is full of f***** shite like lol

    Remember a few weeks ago we had no interest in Remy according to him. Then today when Bent is having a medical elsewhere, Ryder has a come and get me plea article about Bent in the chronicle.

    Full scale numpty lol

  • 178 breno95 // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    Have to agree with ruddy and the biggest problem the team faces is Pardew.
    He simply cannot get the best out of the good players we have simple as that.
    Although i disagree on the signings of others being vast improvements to squad.

  • 179 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    TDS

    I really do not understand your mentality, nor will I attempt to do so.

  • 180 JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    toonking

    Firstly – Arsenal are no longer challenging for the title simply because Wenger has not spent hundreds of millions on players like the other clubs you mentioned, the fact that they have consistently been in the top without massive spending an amazing achievement.

    As for ‘what the players do on the pitch is their own choice’ that has to be one of the strangest comments I’ve ever heard. If a player, any player at any level does what he wants on the pitch and stays on the pitch then they are playing for weak managers who do not have the balls to drag that player off.

    If you don’t think that the players, Colo, Krul, Sissoko, HBA, Tiote, Cabaye, Cisse, Remy etc etc are not good enough then we will simply have to agree to dissagree about what is happening at the club

  • 181 seantoon // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Any news if there’s any truth in the BenArfa bid that indykalia tweeted earlier?

  • 182 Belfast // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    I actually think Bent will be a good signing for Fulham.
    We’re going to end up with Carlton Cole like lol

    Followed by a Lee Ryder exclusive with Pardew, telling us how great Carlton Cole is.

  • 183 John Tudor // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    lfm

  • 184 Belfast // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    Indy Kalia is full of crap

  • 185 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    scout

    Colo is much better than Caulker and MYM has already been signed to partner him presumably. I don’t see why Caulker would join a club to compete with MYM to partner Colo…and I don’t see why we would spend £9M on a 3rd choice defender.

  • 186 breno95 // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Haway ruddy
    if RVW is that good he would not have talked to us never mind sign for Norwich.
    As for the other players named i agree with TDS and his views which are logical.

  • 187 gaz 44 // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    I have just been told remy isn’t injured he has just requested to be left out of the squads until after his court date , he only said this after signing too.. Apparently his court dates in September ? Has anyone else heard this, (lad who told me works closely with club but wouldn’t call him a source. Just something he’s heard)

  • 188 JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    Being called a negger makes me smile, but these ‘Happy Clappers’ are something else

  • 189 USAGEORDIE // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    So much talent in Belgium. That £6m we would have to pay to get Sinclair on top of the £60,000 a week would go a lot farther in Belgium. Lestienne, Praet, Bruno all top young wingers who could move to the BPL in the next few years.

  • 190 Belfast // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    There is no court case at the moment. He hasn’t even been charged with any offence. Think he’s on bail until September while they carry out further enquires

  • 191 JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    gaz

    Remy was reported to be injured while he was still at QPR, so doubt it has anything to him having to report to a police station in london tbh

  • 192 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Breno

    I disagree, but that’s usually my default setting so no change there haha

    These are good players, saw an awful lot of some of them, not that much of others and think that the vast majority, if not all players mentioned would have seen us improve our squad. Okore is, at his current ability, better than Saylor, Caulker is twice the player Saylor is (as if not being able to get in front of Dawson or Vertonghen was a bad thing!?!?!) and I’ve made my feelings clear on Fer and RVW.

    We’ll see how they do and then judge properly.

  • 193 gaz 44 // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Well when his bail is due up I’m sure he will have an appearance In court to see if they’re gonna press charges. I know I did

  • 194 Belfast // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:19 PM
    Remember that video I told you about ? Burnsie looking for ufos ? Here it is :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8i41WJr1l0

  • 195 gaz 44 // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    I’m not saying he’s in wrong for not wanting to play if it is the case either, if his heads not right can’t blame him.. Might be wrong anyway

  • 196 JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    gaz

    He doesn’t have to report to or answer to any court at this point in time, he has to report to the police station where he was originally questioned and from there he will be told if they are going to charge him, drop the investigation or if they are going to continue with their inquiries

  • 197 Belfast // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    What did you do Gaz ? Steal some wham bars ? lol

  • 198 JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    Belfast

    Seen it mate :D he must have been abducted at some point in his life :D

  • 199 Belfast // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    Yes butler he’s lost his marbles for sure.

  • 200 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    Ruddy

    Why do you think that we have some god given right to a top manager and top players? Do you actually understand the history of this club and where it has come from? We’re not Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal you know and we’re not as stinking rich as Chelski or Citeh. Everton have won more titles, Spurs have been in the top 10 for most of the last 12 years. Christ, we’ve more in common with Leeds United and Wolves than any of the top 6!

    You do realise we only got 50,000 fans in the stadium when it was extended in 2000? We were getting 20,000 and less in the 80s and early 90s!

    You look at the history of our club through rose tinted glasses like there are huge glory periods that we are just waiting to return to and yet a 5th place, European competition and a squad full of internationals that is probably our best since SBR’s time is looked upon with shit stained glasses and gains only derision.

    That’s what I don’t get. I know what my club is and I value what it is and where it’s come from. I don’t need my club to become the new Chelski and I don’t insult those who own it for trying to run it like Everton rather than Spurs (successfully) or Leeds (not so). I expect the mackems to slag off my club and I enjoy slagging off theirs. So while I’m all for constructive debate on players, formations, tactics and the general structure of the club, no, I don’t get the regular verbal assassination of a man who is our manager and who guided us to 5th place just over 12 months ago.

  • 201 toonking // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    what I am saying is that in live football matches it’s the players who decides to move into space it’s the player who finds the space it’s the player who deceides when to pass all pardew is able to do is shout.

    it’s like any ordinary employee they are in control of getting the job done the managers just explain things.

    it’s only fifa games that have the players being controlled by a person.

    i am quite simply a passionate fan who has followed football very well for years and basically i am very balanced with opinions on the team. what i never do is aim it all at one person.

  • 202 kt97toonarmy // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

    Breno

    The comment u made earlier about lack of signings is mad. Uve got to admit we need players just half of us like to show a concern nd I bet there isn’t 1 Geordie in the blog who would change teams.

  • 203 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    TDS

    Seriously catch a grip lad, it’s embarrassing.

  • 204 gaz 44 // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    Got accused of Gbh. Went to court, I got bail then after bail went to court where they said they’d not enough evidence and some CCTV of other lad attacking me first came Up also, but when your looking at a jail sentence u don’t think of much more so made sense why if remy didn’t want to play

  • 205 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    Ruddy

    So you read my last post and that’s your response? It’s sad that you can’t construct a relevant argument to explain why you think we deserve a better manager than Pardew and instead you just resort to a petty insult.

    Pardew, Ameobi, Jonas and the rest…as far as I’m concerned as long as they try their b*ll*x off for my club then I’m happy with them. I expect Pardew to walk if we’re not looking like getting the top 10 anyway.

    As for these signings that you’re so knowledgeable about…I guess they should hire you instead of Carr then right?

  • 206 breno95 // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    Ruddy
    i would not expect any thing else.
    Imo anyone would be an improvement on saylor and i believe alderweield would be good addition.
    I feel RVW is too slight for this league but we shall reserve judgement until Xmas then debate whether they are good enough.
    18 days of window left so i remain hopeful but its gets tedious on here re ashley bashing.
    I agree Pardew is inept in all areas and if come end of October we are in bottom half he has to go.

  • 207 JackButler // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    toonking

    But what all players need, even the Messi’s and Ronaldo’s of this world is coaching, damn good coaching. If you don’t prepare, coach and motivate players in the right way throughout the week then they will never perform come the weekend.

    Great managers will tell you that you always set the formation, tactics to suit the players you never fit players into a formation. We had a successful formation for the last half of the season before last, that was altered and we have struggled ever since.

    Like you I am very passionate about this club and hate to see us struggle because of one man’s inability to get the best out of the players he has been given

  • 208 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:42 PM

    If you were insulted that’s your own beef, not mine.

    Relevant argument to an irrelevant point didn’t seem appropriate.

    You began by posing a question as to why I think we have the god given right to a top manager and top players.

    Firstly, I never asked for world class manager, or world class players, merely a manager who deserves this club, and will give NUFC fans the football they want to see. Us NUFC fans are tolerant to defeat, as long as we try 100% and try and play football the right way. That is not something that you can honestly say that we’ve had in all of Pardew’s time at our club.

    I keep trying to debate with you, because every time I get exasperated with you, but then you show a glimmer of common sense.

    I really do not know why I bother. Aim for the sky and you will reach the ceiling, aim for the ceiling and you will stay on the floor.

  • 209 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    TDS

    Btw Carr has scouted the likes of Fer, who he deemed good enough, yet he went to Norwich, do keep up.

  • 210 jazzyp // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Breno
    Sorry I didn’t get back to you mate-out with the muts.
    As for players that have been signed by the clubs around us, I would definitely go for Dejan Lovren mate from soton and would have taken a punt on Bony from swansea

  • 211 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    Ruddy

    You see, there’s one element that I can have agreement with you on. If we played football like Swansea do or Spurs have done recently or Arsenal did not too long ago, then I’d be absolutely delighted. But really we only had that under KK (the first time) and then for a little while under SBR, the rest of the time it’s been inconsistent to say the least. I’d accept inconsistent success for a few more swashbuckling 4-3s and seeing exciting wingers turning on the style.

    But…regarding the 100% thing…when we finished 5th that was the most admirable quality about the players, they played with such intensity and always tried 100%. Last season that appeared to be lacking but I don’t believe it was because the players weren’t committed, it was because they weren’t fit or they lacked confidence or they were being forced to play in a role they didn’t fully understand.

    I will totally agree with you that Pardew did not play attractive football last season and even the season before it was better to say that there were attractive moments rather than the overall style being attractive.

    So, if you want to say that you wish we had a manager who would play a more attractive style, that’s one thing, but when you’re blaming our dismal season last time out wholly on his door and setting the doom and gloom for this coming season already, then I can’t concur. I’m optimistic about the coming season and I want Pardew, Jonas, Ameobi et al to do their jobs well and hopefully push the top 6.

  • 212 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Ruddy

    Sure. As I said, Fer was good enough for Everton so good enough for us. But they turned him down because of a knee injury and we already have Cabaye, Tiote, Anita and Sissoko in central midfield.

  • 213 beddersmag // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    Toondarnsarf

    What gets me is people saying i have supported the club for 50 years and have had enough. Surely after supporting the team through the 70s and 80′s this would be a treat. Owners who sold crown jewels like beardsley, waddle and gazza in succession but this is the final straw? Give me a break.

    People need to understand supporting your team in this age of global media begins on blogs like these.

    The press visit these sites for stories and to gauge fan reaction. Reporters mention it in interviews. Pardew has commented on this, so have players like cabaye and taylor. It added to the pressure last year no doubt. It hindered the team as it created more pressure. Pressure creates poor decision making. Thats a fact. No amount of abuse will get pardew sacked. If sacked the replacement could well be worse.

    Constructive criticism is fine. Vile repetitive abuse is harmful to your team, as well as boring. I know half of you will totally ignore these points as you are too entrenched in your hatred to see what is happening.

    Im not even pardews biggest fan but the level of negativity on here makes me naturally defend him as its so ott.

    I used to get bored reading comments nitpicking every pardew statement or Ed’s endless positivity for something to ridicule. Now i read the article and find some amusement in guessing what comments will be coming soon. Eg Eds comment on the coaching staff “the three wise men”. Was waiting for “the three stooges”. Fun when it came though :-)

  • 214 toonking // Aug 15, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    JB
    a manager main job is the planning structure and orders but their are just as many things that he can’t do anything about

    tiote- gets booked week in week out all pardew can do is drop him which is one thing i do accept as his own fault but it’s up to tiote weather he becomes more careful

    HBA-has had chaos with clubs in the past and fallen out with the managers pardew is doing very well keeping him happy.

    Santon- it is santon who chooses to get forward too much all pardew can do about it is use more defensive midfielders

    cisse- when cisse is offside it’s up to himself to get remain onside and the players that are on the pitch should be helping him more often all pardew can do is shout out telling them.

    pardew is the average manager that teams like us should be expecting.

    unless they are very local geordies themselves which is just what SBR was you will never get a manager such as morineos benetiz and ferguson they join teams with a great history or a Chelsea type owner not a team which has won nothing for 47 years and has such a tight owner.

  • 215 stan anderson // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    Never mind we got Shola!

  • 216 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    TDS

    Putting words in my mouth it seems. I don’t blame the ills of last season on his door, nor do I blame Pardew as having a majority of the blame as that is down to Mike Ashley, however, he has a large proportion of the responsibility for some of the football on display and it is about time that some on here acknowledge that.

    We will never see these players reach the potential they can reach as a fluid attacking unit, so why should we persist with or defend this manager who is simply not good enough?

  • 217 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    I’d have caulker ahead of colo the bloke turns like a cruise liner, I repeat good defenders don’t conceded 70 goals, pathetic

  • 218 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    beddersmag

    I’d “like” your comment if I could!

    I think people were spoiled when a maverick named Kevin Keegan came to town and spent lots of Sir John Hall’s money signing exciting players to take the league by storm with a vibrant attacking style of play…then of course a few years of dross before an absolute legend of the game in Sir Bobby Robson joined us, his hometown club and took us back into the Champions League and back to many people’s 2nd favourite club.

    I think people overlook the fact that apart from these two periods (and one relied on significant investment and a maverick style while the other relied on having a manager who only joined us because he’s a fan) there hasn’t been much else to shout about for decades.

    Recently I’ve been excited about Andy Carroll (briefly!), excited about finishing 5th and now excited about seeing players like Cabaye, Santon, Sissoko and Ben Arfa playing for my club.

  • 219 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    Ruddy

    Why are you so convinced of your beliefs and entrenched in your negativity towards Pardew? I place the blame at everyone’s door and it was the players who actually went out there and failed to perform.

    You can’t just state “never”. We have assembled a squad of technical and attacking players and I expect him to make them play. If he doesn’t this season then we will flop and he will leave. If he wanted to play like Stoke then surely he would have just signed players that are good when they play like Stoke. But we didn’t.

    Can’t you just hold fire on the negativity until at least October?

  • 220 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    Arrrghh I give up, I really do.

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    Adios chaps, don’t let the mind numbing unambitious mediocrity of some followers drag you down any further, putting more than one pass together on the deck constitutes as being spoiled, as is spending more than 10m in a transfer window after you’ve just earned 60m in TV money.

    Ludicrous, blind and pathetic.

  • 221 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    I have previously defended pardew but I’ve now had enough the bloke must go, simple.
    If we’re not signing anyone, get a bloke in who can motivate players and play decent football.

  • 222 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    TDS

    What you call negativity, I call reality, wake up and smell the roses, you will be making a drastic U turn this season, we will not be playing on the deck football, we will not see our midfield control possession, and we will not finish higher than 10th, that is realism, not pessimism.

  • 223 breno95 // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    Jazzy
    good walk?
    Yes they could have been ones to sign but as i said earlier while u were out i will give them till xmas and then judge bony and RVW. Both r a gamblewith big fees. It will be said all deals r a gamble unless u can pay the big big money and then u know what u r getting.
    I just want to see good footie and a trophy before i depart. Still have a few years left so heres hoping.

  • 224 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    Ruddy

    And you accuse me of putting words into your mouth!

    I’ve made it clear that I expect the style of play to change and made it clear that I expect another attacking signing.

    I also have no U turn to take as if Pardew is not looking like getting top 10 then I’ve said all along that he should go.

    I say that it’s your mind numbing negativity that drags people down. Surely there’s still part of a little boy in you that’s excited for the new season and to see how we perform after a solid pre-season? Surely?? Or if that little boy died a long time ago then I feel sorry for you…I still have mine and he’s excited for Monday.

  • 225 Partizan // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    RvW according to many Sporting fans is not as good as people think.He needs 5 chances to score 1 goal,can’t create chances,low work rate,too slow for PL.
    Here’s one comment from a Sporting fan.

    Yes, last season until January or so he was really good under Domingos Paciência guidance. But from then on, he has performed really badly in just about every way, ball control, spacing, shooting you name? it he doesn’t got it. He needs 10 opportunities to score a goal, and even then it needs to be straight forward only with the keeper in front of him; one thing he was perfect last season was from the penalty strike, but this season, if my number are correct, he has just scored 1 in 4 attempts :(

  • 226 roe997 // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    People need to get a grip.its you people who create a crisis. Is this the nanny handbags bitch and moan blog? Coz every groundhog transfer window certainly sounds like it. Same shit every day,i for one will stop reading the comments.the best thing is as soon as we score in pl or win or do well.all this will stop

  • 227 jazzyp // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    Breno
    I here ya pal. What a feeling that would be for the toon to finally deliver after all these years.
    I still feel that the time to push on was when we got in to Europe instead of sitting on his laurels. But hey who are we but simple fans paying good money week in week out to support Nufc.

  • 228 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    Di Canio wants more signings for the mackems, “I’m not worried about having a large squad because I want to have a chance to choose from a group of five rather than only two,”

    Fire lots of sh*t at the team and hopefully some of it will stick…

  • 229 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    I can’t believe we are gonna start the season with no one who can cross a ball, it’s bloody suicide. Are they on the wind up?
    Remy is a great loan deal but we should have signed downing

  • 230 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    TDS

    Your condescension knows no bounds, I do not need your pity.

    No, I am not looking forward to an away trip to the Etihad. This is the first season, in my entire life, that I have not looked forward to. Believe me, it is not I, or even you, that has dragged these people down, it is the hollow shell of a football club that is masquerading as Newcastle United Football Club.

    I will always demand better, even if we had perfection, because it is only by the constant demand for improvement, the insatiable wants and needs of the fans vocalised to the owner and manager will we ever get where we want to go.

    Meek acceptance has seen this club crumble under MA, and I will no longer stand for it.

  • 231 stan anderson // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    I was there when we sold all the gems in the team from the 60s,70,s 80,s and was gutted when they were sold,but we did usually pull a rabbit out of the hat to appease the fans.We also were served up with some dreadful plaeyers,to many to name,but this all seems so different to me now,no hope of my team winning anything at all and that is ok with the bosses of our club.Why do you watch your team? to see them compete with the best and maybe win a trophy eh!

  • 232 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    On a positive note maybe the French lads smash it to get in the national squad, who knows

  • 233 toon kk // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Although Pardew made some terrible mistakes tactically last season so many blame him for our terrible results, but the whole squad have to hold there hands up, there lacklustre attitude, fitness and no desire to win has to be questioned.

  • 234 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Ruddy

    Wow…I think you confuse what has happened to our club to what has happened to football in general. Every single club in the PL has lost part of its soul as money has taken over so many areas. If you want to support a proper old fashioned club, you’ll have to go down a few divisions.

    But I’m with SBR’s comments here regarding the soul of the club. The soul of the club is with its fans.

    “What is a club in any case?

    Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It’s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes.

    It’s the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city.

    It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.” Sir Bobby Robson RIP

  • 235 beddersmag // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Nite ruddy

    Its the pathetic blind hatred and endless negativity gets me down. Not the realistic views of people who think averaging mid table with healthy finances is not reason for despair- and daring to believe we might have enough in the current squad and manager to put last seasons debacle behind us, and with a fair wind get back challenging for europe.

    Ludicrous or not, i prefer to see the glass half full

  • 236 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    TDS

    I assure you, it is not I who is confused, nor do I think it is right or proper for you to defend the current regime of the club and quote SBR’s famous quote on what constitutes a football club as both are polar opposites.

    You and I are not the same breed of football supporter. I would say that the only thing we have in common is a love for NUFC but I am not sure that we even have that.

    I will no longer try and debate with you, not because I can’t, merely because I find your point of view to be a damning indictment of how far we’ve fallen, and how much our fans are willing to accept mediocrity and dress it up as stability.

    Good night folks.

  • 237 roe997 // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    The gadlargi(or however u spell it,canadian) family who own the sandman are billionaires and built hotel next to st james because they love the game? Well according a lot articles they are. Wonder if they interested in us? One family family member,mich i think it is.has moved to newcastle recently

  • 238 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    Bedders

    At least the fantastic football on display will make you smile…

  • 239 Munster Mag // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    Toondarnsarf, appreciate your optimism mate but its groundless. I genuinely dislike it when people try to be optimistic for the sake of it. Not having a go at you, as you always argue your points well.

    Reasons not to be cheerful:

    1. A limited manager – amply demonstrated last year
    2. Lack of genuine consistent attacking threats
    3. Overrated players – Debuchy, Santon, Tiote and possibly Cabaye ( in terms of consistency ) others come into this frame
    4. Negative tactics – I cannot see reasons why this will change. The managers philosophy is not a positive one.
    5. A chairmen who wants to use the club as an advertising hoarding
    6. Lack of width
    7. A manager being supplied unsuitable players in terms of his philosophy, and not being supported properly anyway. Where is Pardews big centre half, and his big centre forward?

    i dont want to be negative for the sake of it, and there are positives ( Sissoko, Remy examples ) but logic does not suggest a good season. I appreciate other clubs are bigger than us and have better players and spend more, but I would be genuinely concerned about a struggle this season. Put it this way, can we really say that most of our players fought well to get us out of trouble when we fell down last year? As I keep saying , but a Swansea man a pint if you meet one…..thoughts ?

  • 240 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    Remember the Chelsea win at home the tempo was unreal. We were buzzing absolutely electric. How can it nose dive from that level, there’s a rat away somewhere, has to be.

  • 241 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    What was it Albert said about doing the same thing and expecting different results?????

    Take note Pardew

  • 242 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    Ruddy

    You misconstrue my views as acceptance of mid-table mediocrity when they are not. I have said all along that I expected us to sign a top striker and a top striker/attacking midfielder/winger. I’m still waiting for the former. I also said that I expect us to get top 8 this season and want to see a tilt at a cup or top 6. Is that mediocrity??

    The point of SBRs club is that no matter how sh*tty things appear to get with relegation, poor performances or dodgy owners, the soul of a football club is protected by that little boy inside all of us that gets excited when we go to a match or even when we switch on the TV to watch one.

    That’s the soul of our club. The negativity, insults and griping are just frankly the opposite, soulless…and it’s sad.

    Goodnight anyway…

  • 243 stan anderson // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:41 PM

    Apart from the Fairs Cup win,i have not seen my team win a trophy since i started supporting them many years ago.2nd place is as good as it,s been i am sorryto say,apart from Anglo Italian Cup and theTexaco Cup exploits in the 70s.All i want is for my team to win a trophy of significance before i meet my maker.Maybe that is why i am so p—-d of with the present situation at my club.Am i being unreasonable to even want us to be trying to do so.

  • 244 toon kk // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    There’s alot of frustrated fans on here, some agree some don’t but we all have the same thing in common, We want success but MA probably wants the same thing but he wants to run us on a low budget maximising his profits, he does put money in but only when absolutely necessary. Trouble is he doesn’t really understand it’s just a business to him.

  • 245 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    Munster Mag

    I’ll address those points before I go to bed myself…

    1. A limited manager – at least give him a chance this year. Fail and he’s gone.
    2. Lack of genuine consistent attacking threats – we have Cisse up front with Ben Arfa and Cabaye to create chances. Hopefully the latter 2 are fitter this season. We’ve also signed Goofy, Sissoko and Remy to beef up this area.
    3. Overrated players – Debuchy is new, Santon was one of our best last season, Tiote and Cabaye both need to return to the form of 2011/12
    4. Negative tactics – I hope this will change due to player availability or it will affect performance. See 1.
    5. A chairmen who wants to use the club as an advertising hoarding – We need more money from sponsorship so we can be self-sufficient while competing on the field. We have our name so I don’t care. I’m not a fan of Wonga though for the record…
    6. Lack of width – did Chelsea and City play with much width last season? We supposedly have Santon and Debuchy to provide width plus the likes of Ben Arfa, Remy and Goofy too. We have attacking players who can play wide rather than out and out wingers. Not dissimilar to Chelsea
    7. A manager being supplied unsuitable players in terms of his philosophy, and not being supported properly anyway. Where is Pardews big centre half, and his big centre forward? – see 4. and 1. I’ve already stated that it’s incredulous that Pardew wants to play football like Stoke yet we’re signing players that are better off playing like Swansea. Give him time.

    I’m not being optimistic for the sake of it, I can genuinely see reasons to be positive for this season. If I wanted to be negative then I’m sure I could be, but why look at my own club through sh*t-tinted glasses?

    I’m looking forward to the new season and if Pardew isn’t doing the job in 2 or 3 months then I want him to go. Simple as that.

  • 246 toonking // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    stan Anderson 242 your point is much more understandable and i myself know the feeling the times that chaos starts is when it’s between fans thinking we can challenge for the top 4 with high expectaions being put on the manager and players to those who think realistic and accept 8th place as good enough. the one thing they never ever seem to mention is what you have mention yourself, why are we not putting the best effort into winning a FA or league cup.

    the reason i think they don’t is because pardew’s team selection in cups would be no different to a morino rafa or ferguson team selection as quite simply each and every manager seems to play a second string team in the cups.
    anyway i’m off now.

  • 247 jimmysmith // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    That perhaps fortuitous momentum we gathered in the run up to fifth, and lost almost immediately after signing only one player off the back of it is going to be very hard to regain, and its such a pity because the squad we have now could well have won that Europa League competition and where would we be now if that had occurred. Certainly not staring down the gun of a highly uncertain season ahead or worse potentially.

    Its hard to judge Ashley or Pards because that was such a blunder with such great consequences and its difficult to know who is responsible.

  • 248 Pokat // Aug 15, 2013 at 10:58 PM

    Whats sad here is this blog is a meeting of people with a common idea – supporting NUFC. This is something that goes on unabated and uninfluenced by whatever happens in the boardroom or even on the pitch

    Since when does it show lack of support to make pertinent observations, express doubt or optimism over the running of the club or its future prospects?

    There’s room for all here thats why its a blog! Personally I do draw a line at those whose repetitive mantra is unswayed by real world events or facts, but if someone wants to say allis rosy, fair enough, f someone wants to say we are boiling in our own crud because of this that or whatever, then fine. We should all have the spine and a thick enough skin to accept we are all different except for one crucial thing. Our Toon.

  • 249 manxpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    ruddy you still on??
    can you tell me, the great footballing teams that are currently playing in the league?
    i can think of 2 btw

  • 250 beddersmag // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Munster

    Our current squad is stronger than the one that finished 5th. We have few injuries. We have a top striker to replace Ba in remy. We have no european football and can spend our week preparing for the premier league. These are reasons to be positive in the hope that with pardew we can challenge for europe again.

    You suggest your opinions are logical but as tds has demonstrated you can give a logical positive counter argument to each point.

    Time will tell which one was closer tk the mark although clearly it could go either way depending on a number of variables, as the past two seasons have proved

  • 251 manxpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    scout 239
    how about last summers transfer window and then injuries and then playing thur – sunday then lower confidence then these kind of discussions all around the fan base n media!
    there’s a rumble that started somewhere and i think my 1st point started it and there’s only 1 person to blame!

  • 252 Munster Mag // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    TDS, this isnt about negativity or Pardew bashing. Its about logic and accuracy. I used to like the guy, but at least I and others have gone on the record and stated our reservations. Others have then said this is negativity for the sake of it. Rubbish! Ive often called for peopke here to state ” I got it wrong” when their strong opinions were showm to be hogwash. Thats not aimed at you by the way. However I do agree with loads of what you say, and i think most reasonable fans would agree with much of what I say. For example, how mucg did yiou see from HBA last season? Did we really see much width? Why havent we signed the tall centre half that Pardew wanted for corners? Incidentally I think Pardew is a very good man manager, but lacking in other ways. Its Ashleys fault for appointing only peopke he can trust, despite usuitability ( Pardew, Llmbias, Kinnear, Jiminez etc ) . The guy suffers from serious trust issues IMO. Not to mind a shocking lack of ambition. But people here have defended him for ages, and are now beginning to wonder why, as he messed around in pointless impractical and negative ways with their club. A huge potential squandered.

  • 253 beddersmag // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    Pokat

    In my post 212 i made reference to why i believe the more extreme and repetitive negative comments on here can be detrimental to the team; and as as such show a lack of support imo

  • 254 Pokat // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    Right, after that little sermon ha ha here’s my 2 cents. Suck it up.

    Our club is a victim, if thats the right word, of our times. ‘Rescued’ by a canny businessman with a scent for money by virtue of his desire to use us as a clothes horse, no doubt hoping we would all see it as a symbiotic relationship having baled the crippling interest that would have seen us go down the pan with his investment in tow.

    Cue a few turbulent up and down seasons while he got to grips with an alien business, part kudos, part showbiz, part sporty hobby, part advertising mule.
    Ashley has brought in and ejected a few faces and with JFK demonstrated he is still a bit desperate to find the ideal marriage of accumulated knowledge and cheap employee. He hasnt done it yet imo, he’s still spinning plates, and there s every indication this year will be a mirror of last season although the chances of having so many injuries again are slim enough so that we wont be staring at the relegation pit this time. But to say we will do well this year based on a 5th finish 2 years ago is just unfounded faith. Its realistic to assume that if Mike continues the way he has done, the clubs attraction to decent players will finally wear off altogether. No cups, no europe no high finishes. Just middling stuff while he balances the books, recoups his investment in real terms, and after maximising his brand, sells up and moves on. Then we will have the next joker to contend with. And that could be a couple of chicken farmers as easily as a russian oil billionaire. Its just stuff that happens.

  • 255 stan anderson // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    249,we strive to qualify for europe and when we do its great,but we did not strengthen and failed.Now its as if its a blessing that we havent got europe as our squad is not big enough.Does this not prove that we accept mediocrity,

  • 256 manxpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    the other thing about ashley is it seems really bad news is just as good as good news for him and his actual only love! and it seems he’ll use it how and whenever he wants which is very dangerous to us fans!
    name change,wonga and any crisis he can muster gets his brand shown more n more!
    look at one of the 1st tweets that was sent from his twitter firm?
    there to shock and get noticed
    its a shame because when he came in i was fully excited n thought he was making the right changes and was actually planning to turn us in to a proper force but now i see wat he really is!

  • 257 Pokat // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    I think Pardew publicly sighing relief that we dont have europe to hamper us in getting to a top 10 finish says it all.

  • 258 scout // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    Manx
    I know what you mean but some of them Uefa cup games Beardsley could have kept up. They really were snails pace, even obertan looked half decent.
    Right I’m off
    Maybe MA will wake up and spend some money, you never know your luck

  • 259 manxpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    stan i see wat your saying but i’m pretty sure the fans, players n staff want europe and to challenge for honours its just our owner doesn’t listen to the people he should be or spend some feckin money!

  • 260 ~Joke-innear~ // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    I thought things were bad at Newcastle… but

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2394585/Arsenal-crisis-brewing-just-11-senior-players-fit-opener-Aston-Villa.html

    I feel slightly happier right now… Still think JFK should P!ss off A.S.A.P.

  • 261 manxpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    pokat i think taking that comment seriously is silly tbh
    i’m pretty sure every marathon runner says thank f”k thats over after every race they still get up n prepared for the next one
    the preparation for that euro season was a shambles and the season followed the same way
    he said it of the cuff after an unbelievably hard season because of that poor summer window

  • 262 Munster Mag // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    Bedders – TDS’s are not logical arguments

    - Santon is NOT a good defender. He never has been from day 1. And I’ve argued this fron his early games. I have seen little to suggest I’m incorrect
    - Debuchy looks a bit slow to me. Other positive traits, but slow.
    - Mbiwa has pace, but lacks aerial confidence
    - Cabaye – is not being used creatively
    - Sissoko – am not sure Pardew knows his best position
    Remy – Good news
    - HBA – Injury prone. Potential will never be fulfilled
    imo
    - The players are better on paper than the team that finished 5th, but the game isnt played o paper. Eg Guti was excellent then, now he’s not, or wasnt last season. Pardew had a settled 442 then, now I dont think he knows what is the best set up for his players. He also had two strikers in the form of their careers.
    - Lack of width? TDS says Chelsea and City didnt have it. Thats doesnt matter when you have class all over the park – well drilled class players who know what they are at .

    Why did we collapse last season? Its cant just be attributable to injuries and the Europa. And if its not attributable to Pardew, then it is attributable to the players. The same players who were so poor at getting us out of trouble. So who takes the rap , and why can people be so confident in this set up ?

    There are reasons to be optimistic – but not many that I can see?

  • 263 manxpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    joke — thats the longest headline i think i’ve ever read lol
    but i do wonder if the arsenal fans are screaming wheres the money going? :)

  • 264 SecretSausage // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    Do others feel like me?

    On one hand I get excited. We have Ben Arfa, Cisse, Tiote, Sissoko, Marveaux, and a great looking defence in Collo, Mbiwa, Santon, Debuchy. The season looks so promising.

    Then reality sets in.

    Cisse never gets involved in the play at all. He scores the odd goal but his general play is shocking for what he is supposed to be.

    Ben Arfa is our great hero. I love watching him. People say he could walk into Barcelonas team. But then the truth hits home that although he is a sort of genius player he 90% of the time just gives the ball away. I know we get entertainment watching him but seriously the end product is rather poor.

    Tiote. He was so so good and now is pretty much rubbish. He gets caught out in serious places a few times every game now and his passing has gone to pieces.

    Sissoko. I was excited by him but apart from brief spells he doesnt get involved much either. Goodness knows how he gets picked for France.

    Marveaux. People say he is class but we rarely see it. Even when he plays he isnt involved nowhere near enough.

    The defence. Well, last season they proved they are really bad.

    But the strange thing is when i see the team written down I get excited and think it looks great.

    Personally, I like the look of dummett. He is going to be special. I would replace most of our team with players like that. Ben Arfa replaced by McManaman. Sissoko by McCarthy. Tiote by that big DM at West Ham. Cisse by an Andy Carroll type.

    I think this season is going to be similar to last. Im worried now. At least until someone writes down the team, and I will love it again and get excited.

  • 265 manxpie // Aug 15, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    munster how is cabeye not being used creatively?

  • 266 Munster Mag // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    Manx, he doesnt get far enough up the pitch to use his passing skills to good effect. Personally I like him but hate his petulent side, and we probably overrate him, but not to the extent that fans overrate blokes like Santon ( loads of energy, good technique, quite quick, but little end product, and poor awareness of space and movement of attackers and a poor marker ) and HBA ( beautiful balnce , skills, and deceptively strong, but loses the ball too easily, is a bit frail, and doesnt produce enough consisntently )




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