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Bent’s Wages Too Much For Newcastle But Not For Fulham

10:44 am, Friday, August 16th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 175 Comments

Newcastle have been on a downward spiral since Bobby Robson was sacked in August, 2004, apart from one bright glimmer of hope the season before last when we finished 5th top, but Newcastle still has drawing power for players.

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Darren Bent – Newcastle wouldn’t pay his wages

And that was proved again yesterday, because as the new broke that Bent was having a medical at Fulham before a potential one year loan deal, Bent’s agents were in frantic negotiations with Newcastle United, trying to get some deal arranged, because Ben wanted to join Alan Pardew and Newcastle.

So it’s not surprising that Martin Jol cut a frustrated figure yesterday, when asked about the Bent deal, and he obviously didn’t want to say too much about it – now we know why.

The news is in the Evening Chronicle today, and Bent himself pleaded with Newcastle to pay his wages, because he was confident he could get the goals for Newcastle, when working again under Alan Pardew.

Certainly he was great at Charlton Athletic when he was managed by Pardew, and that was the best goal scoring form of his career and it was in the Premier League too.

In his two seasons there from 2005 through 2007, he made 79 appearances for Charlton and scored 37 goals.

So if this news is accurate, even when you have players who are your top targets, pleading to join Newcastle, we will not pay out the money – if we think it’s not a good deal.

And don’t blame Joe Kinnear for this – Joe will be realizing he has to operate within a very tight and frugal budget at Newcastle as Director of Football under owner Mike Ashley.

How many other clubs have their top transfer targets pleading for the club to sign them?

Never let it be said that Darren Bent didn’t want to join Newcastle this summer – but he will become a Fulham player – probably today.

And as we reported earlier today Newcastle should measure their progress by where wefinish in the league table, and not on low a fee they can pay out for their transfer targets.

There’s something wrong somewhere when a small club like Fulham can pay out big wages but Newcastle can’t – or won’t.

I want Newcastle to become great again (and soon too), but the club needs to be a lot more ambitious in the transfer target then we’ve shown over this summer.

That’s always assuming the club wants to build  a top side again of course.

What do you think?

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175 responses so far ↓

  • 1 croftus5678 // Aug 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    think we need to lay off the “wages too high” but now seeing as we are paying 80k pw for remy !

    and i dont think bent is worth 80k pw even if he is on loan as a lot of our players are better than him.

  • 2 sticklebricks // Aug 16, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    If he wanted to come to Newcastle that badly then he could have just taken a wage cut for it… He didn’t so obviously didn’t want to come here enough!

  • 3 Rainrix // Aug 16, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    You seem to be the one of the only ones disappointed by this ed. However if it came down to signing bent and not signing a striker at all i’d take him. Thats looking increasingly likely.

  • 4 croftus5678 // Aug 16, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    @2 stick

    agree’d

  • 5 mattyNUFC // Aug 16, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    rooster, last thread,

    i disagree to an extent

    all the folks who say ‘pards will never get a better job’ yadda yadda, sure, he probably is aware of that. but the most damning bit in all of this is that HE honestly believes he’s good enough. that’s what’s hurting us on the field and in training, his absolute stubborness because he thinks he knows best.

  • 6 Santon03 // Aug 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Is this one of the example tht we lack ambition? I mean not signing Bent.

  • 7 jeff // Aug 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Nice picture of Benteke, Ed. Classic. Last time you posted the same picture believing it was Bent outrage was caused

    Goes to show you don’t read or moderate the comments at all.

    And as for Bent? You are probably the only person on this blog who actually wants him.

  • 8 G.unit // Aug 16, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    I’m not doubting the scouting of Mr Carr but I really do think that all transfer targets for Newcastle have all been signed up by other clubs. The panic is starting to set in and Kinnear just doesn’t know what he is doing. Please prove me wrong, Newcastle but you haven’t in the last few summer transfer windows.

    Most depressing think for me is that we are going into the Man City game with exactly the same squad that virtually got us relegated last season. I holding onto the hope that the new French acquisitions from January have settled in more and Man City with their new manager have an absolute stinker!!

  • 9 Bye Bye AP // Aug 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    I would of been happy to see Bent come in – Prem experience and knows how to score goals!

    It is annoying that Fulham can out spend us!

  • 10 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    When Pards first came in he tuck a lot of stick because we were all aggrieved at the treatment of hughton, then we had a mint season and it was all hail pardew-the next England manager.
    Last season was nothing short of unmitigated disaster on all fronts from the top to the bottom. And since then Pardew has gone down in my estimation, Not because of the poor finish, But it has just got to the stage where Everytime he opens up his trap it is none stop BS.
    I as im sure all on this blog would sooner know the true hard facts rather than be fed crap and lies all the time. Im not in the Pardew hate brigade I just do not trust the guy any more.
    And like any thing in life “Lose the trust-Lose the bond”

  • 11 JaxtheMag // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    ive said many times its all ashleys fault, he will just not pay.the bigger problem is we have no1 else lined up.ashley wants AP to walk,but who would cum here.

  • 12 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Bye Bye
    It not just PL clubs that is out spending u its the championship clubs as well-That’s the worrying thing !!

  • 13 Black and White with an army lol // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    all in all i’m really pleased Bent didn’t come

  • 14 Toon73 // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Another ludicrous article! Benteke ffs !!

    Not signing Bent is not the end of the world.

  • 15 wynsleap // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Don’t think you’re going to see “Newcastle become great again” Ed. At least not in our lifetimes.
    Not while this unambitious, disrespectful, uncaring, unprofessional owner is in charge.

  • 16 numba9 // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    Sorry if I am mistaken but are we now the smallest club in the prem? Our circus of a regime seem to think so or at least want to make us so!

  • 17 Black and White with an army lol // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    now my big worry is, is Cole still available because i think JFK has him on the b-list

  • 18 Bye Bye AP // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    I know Jazz – Don’t get me wrong I don’t want him to go out and blow £100 million!! I just want him to spend some cash to give us a fighting chance. Is it £60 mil the new TV deal per season?

  • 19 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Fulham have a new owner and, as is normal with new owners, he will splash his cash to ingratiate himself with the fans.

    If Fulham don’t do to well in the league and get knocked out of the two cups reality will then set in for him probably around February and he will think twice when his manager starts asking for cash to buy more players.

    I would have taken Bent but not at the alleged offer price and wages. It feels like he is after his last big pay deal.

  • 20 Black and White with an army lol // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    any prediction on relegation candidates guys?

    mine would be

    Mackems
    Hull
    Man city ( sorry had to get this one out lol )

  • 21 Ben3arfa // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    I really wish Mike Ashley would go bankrupt and end up homeless on the streets .

    Scum like him do not deserve to be wealthy. I really despise the man and wish him nothing but misfortune.

  • 22 workyticket // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    “The news is in the Evening Chronicle today, and Bent himself pleaded with Newcastle to pay his wages, because he was confident he could get the goals for Newcastle, when working again under Alan Pardew”

    That was just Lee Ryder writing his usual claptrap with nothing whatsoever to substantiate it.

  • 23 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    Turkish media ‘Sabah’ suggest that Newcastle have begun talks w/ Besiktas for Manuel Fernandes as Yohan Cabaye is PSG bound.
    This is over French media guys and his father and agent Pierre has been touted him to Psg all summer.

  • 24 Black and White with an army lol // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    why can’t we have a football chairmen like every 1 else?

    mow that’s the biggest question.

  • 25 Jakenufc // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Dont know if anyone has seen but Sports Direct News are reporting Scott Sinclair will sign for WBA next week.

    Dont know how reliable it is as they said we were in for Rooney once upon a time…

  • 26 thai-mag // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    black and white, don’t you mean C list, I think the B list ran out a couple of weeks ago

  • 27 croftus5678 // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    its not the value of the player its the quality !

    we could sign free transfers for all i care as long as they are class players i’d be more than happy.

    remy is a good example as i’m very very happy with the remy signing he has imo moved us forward and made us stronger (yes even though players have left) than last year ! however with the teams around us doing so well i believe we need atleast remy + another player to move ahead of the other teams in terms of league status.

  • 28 JaxtheMag // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    I laugh at fans thinking we will finish 8th 10th ect, we will be in bottom 3 on Monday nite, and cant see us getting out.

  • 29 Spartak Miserable // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    @Jeff (7)

    Great spot, just shows that this blog (most of the time) is hearsay/inaccurate and at times total dog sh*t

  • 30 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    wynsleap @ 15

    Newcastle great again ?

    When precisely did this happen?

    illusions, illusions, illusions.

    Is it no wonder fans of other clubs and pundits all laugh at Newcastle fans when this tripe is trotted out.

    Ed, we last won a trophy 50 years ago.

  • 31 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Bye Bye
    It sure is mate. And like you rightly say no body is asking him to go and spend a fortune (All though that would be nice) But just to show a bit of ambition towards the club rather than just floating along and not achieving diddly Squat !!

  • 32 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    JaxtheMag @ 28

    ..bottom 3 on Monday nite…

    Yes, but only 3 points from the leaders !

  • 33 toon kk // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    We NEED at least one more striker and a pacey winger who can cross a ball, MA and the jokers know we need them but Mashley just doesn’t want to spend, buying a player is one major issue not too mention his wages.

  • 34 mushy // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    If Lee Ryder’s story is true that Bent “pleaded” to join the Toon and was confident of scoring goals, then surely a deal could have been concocted along the lines of 50k basic plus cash for goals.
    Personally, I don’t believe Ryder is party to that type of inside info.

  • 35 Magforlife // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    I believe Ashley is now bored with our club but too greedy to let it go without a profit. I go back a long way supporting this club and now my son also has a season ticket but I have never felt so low at the prospect of a season approaching. I still think in the final hours one or two of our better plays will be sold as other clubs are burning money to get better squads

  • 36 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    toon kk @ 33

    If we need a pacey winger then this presupposes that the formation is 4-4-2 or 4-5-1.

    I think our best formation is 4-3-3. Where would a winger fit into a 4-3-3 formation of:

    Krul
    Debussy – Mbiwa – Colo – Santon
    Cabaye – Tiote – Sissoko
    Ban Arfa – Cisse – Remy

  • 37 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    It’s easy saying you wanted to join Newcastle or any other club for that matter!

    …in the end you are judged by our actions – Bent choose Fulham (don’t get me wrong I am pleased by that) and Remy choose QPR in January…

    Action speaks lauder than words (money is everything to footballers) Why do you think so many players turn to places like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, USA, Russia or China in the last stage of their career?

  • 38 Toon73 // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    £75k a week ffs he’s dreaming

  • 39 croftus5678 // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    i wonder how many remember the andy cole sale and the uproar that went on over it !

    and under ashley our best star player sold has been erm….andy carroll ? who is an avg striker nowhere near the quality or importance to our club than cole was and we got (when you compare the quality of the 2 players) a massive amount more for carroll than we did for cole !

    i know we bought shearer some seasons after but tbf we was heading in the right direction with cole (maybe you have to let a star player go as we did in carroll to get a better team)

  • 40 JackButler // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    Spend to survive not to succeed that’s Ashleys mantra

  • 41 Belfast // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Biggest load of bollox. There’s no way Fulham are paying him 75 grand a week. Think Lee Ryder has been talking to his brown sauce again.

  • 42 sparky55 // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    it’s got nowt to do with wages…it’s down to the fact Pardew wanted Bent and Ashley and JFK are doing their best to P!ss Pardew off just like they did with Douglas.

    They paid the money for an injured Remy because he was Carr’s choice and could have paid the money for Bent but didn’t want to because he was Pardews choice.

  • 43 jokinoot // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Ashley’s that tight he wants everyone on pay as you go

  • 44 croftus5678 // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    @37 jesper

    i’m pretty sure saying you wanted to join a different team than the one thats signing you isnt that easy to admit tbh.

    who’s saying we met av’s valuation ? personaly i’ve never read that so hardly bent’s fault !

    ambition with a player is never a bad thing and to be commited to us in the open when he knows he’s on the verge of fulham (we are hardly far away from fulhams status atm are we) i think he would have done a very good job for us as an ameobi type player tbh and my respect and opinion of the lad has increased.

  • 45 mushy // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    What result would you like to see Monday night?

    No, seriously, think about it for a minute….

    If we manage to scrape a draw (or even a win), what will that do to any possibility of Ashley investing in the short term in additional players.

    A humiliating defeat (god, I hate saying this) might just panic him into loosening the pursestrings to protect his mid-table intentions.

    Discuss.

  • 46 Belfast // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Probably just another way to undermine Pardew. He was his number one target apparently.

  • 47 toon kk // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    This transfer window is more about thinning the squad down, anything to save a few quid. MA is hoping to sell before he buys. After all times are very hard!!!!!
    I also think MA has lost interest in the club. Most billionaires buy a club with great ambition and ideas

  • 48 Bye Bye AP // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Who honestly thinks that we will bring in anymore players???

    I see one of 2 things happening…We keep all our players we have and MAYBE get 1 more player in, probably a “B” list striker

    Or we sell Cabye and go and get Tome Ince and a “B” list striker

    But none of it shows reall ambition

  • 49 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    We need to put this nonsense to rest about MA and JFK only trying to piss Pardew off…

    If he wanted rid of him he had the perfect excuse this summer after last years fantastic season especially on the pitch where we played some of the greatest football I have ever seen!

  • 50 Belfast // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Jesper would you want to pay a manager and all his coaching staff on 8 year contracts compensation ?

    I certainly wouldn’t

  • 51 fatman // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    I heard a tail a few weeks ago that Ashley has a exit strategy to get rid of the club in 3 years, 1stly cut the staff to the bone, secondly sell at least £20m worth of players, pocket £70m each of the next 3 seasons and sell for £50-£80m, the scary thing is we only need to avoid relegation twice for this plan to work, as he could have had £50-£80m last time when we went down, the scary thing is he wants close to £300m for the club, and by three years rangers should be back in the top flight in Scotland where it’s easy to challenge for champions league.

  • 52 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Without knowing the details I am puzzled as to why the highly rated left-back Aly Cissokho would go on loan to Liverpool instead of a permanent move elsewhere.

  • 53 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    If he was really that bothered about joining us, why didn’t he say ok to £40kpw and a massive bonus based on performance. Ok, I understand a reluctance to make it based on goals alone as that can encourage shooting from anywhere and being greedy, but sure there are performance stats that they could use to prove that he was doing the job that he insists he can do?

  • 54 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    Belfast…he gave him the contract and we don’t know what Pardew will get if he is sacked?

    …do you?

  • 55 toon kk // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Slank@36
    Do you think Pardew will play 4 3 3? I don’t think so, he likes one striker up front usually Cisse relying on scraps.

  • 56 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    I agree with the idea of MA preparing to for a sell!

    …makes sense, but I must admit I don’t quite get his plan (seems a big gamble and risk)

  • 57 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    fatman

    Your maths sucks. How do you suggest he can take £70M out of the club in just one season?! Our turnover was just over £90M in 2011/12 and our wages were about £60M!

  • 58 Belfast // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Nobody knows Jesper but I presume it’s big bucks. If it’s peanuts he would of got the sack after the last game.
    The only reason he kept us up was because the teams below us where awful.

  • 59 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Here a curve ball
    As being TOON fans and don’t like or want the TOON to loose….

    would you want the TOON to get stuffed on Monday to put pressure on the hierarchy that we need some more quality signings.

    or

    Win or Draw and the hierarchy think they DON’T need any NEW signings

  • 60 croftus5678 // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    @53 tds

    did we offer him 40k pw ?
    did we meet av’s valuation ?
    did we have any contract talks with him ?

    not read anything about any of these tbh so i dont understand why people are on bent’s back ! he’s only said he wants to join us and he can score goals for us which is only a good thing in my book yet i see people trying to hang him lol.

  • 61 Belfast // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    The last I heard we didn’t even make a bid for Bent.

  • 62 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    Interesting but sad stuff really! Have a look:

    http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/8872714/Davies-reveals-agents-dirty-tricks

  • 63 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Common! don’t think for one minut Bent is innocent…that is just naive!

  • 64 mushy // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    @Charlie

    Fantastic original question !

    have a quick read of mine at 45. and get back to me.

  • 65 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    toon kk @ 55

    I believe 4-3-3 is his strongest formation. It allows him to play his best players.

    In a 4-4-2 where would you play Sissoko if Tiote was the defensive midfield player and Cabaye was the creative player?

  • 66 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Aly Cissokho on a season long-loan deal at Liverpool; they are also in talk with Willian!

  • 67 fatman // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    ToonDarnSarf

    the extra tv money & wonga cash player sales its possible to get £50m i have seen a break down of how to do it & it works for up to 3 years but always end in the drop, & like i said its a 3 year plan, we have our world class manager trying to sell our players, it only works if we can sell at least £20m of players & i did hear from someone in accounting not football.

  • 68 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Charlie…to be honest I don’t think buying a last minute forward or any other player for that matter will change much…what we suffer is way bigger than that and cannot be cured by a signing or two!44

    …just my opinion!

  • 69 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    Charlie @ 59

    A defeat in a single game and the only game so far and against a team most pick to challenge Chelsea for the title is not going to change anyone’s mind.

  • 70 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    croftus5678

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not on his back at all. I don’t expect footballers to make decisions based on anything other than money these days anyway.

    My point was in relation to the article, many of which I take with a pinch of salt as the sources are often dubious to say the least. I don’t really believe this one either as I’m sure if he really wanted to join us and we really wanted him, then we could have presented an attractively constructed contract.

  • 71 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    mushy
    shows a lot of fans have the same dilemma.
    Hate them to get beat but if a good stuffing made the powers that be loosen the purse strings (can’t see it happening) then I would take it (would be hard to swallow)

  • 72 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    fatman

    The extra money from Wonga and TV won’t give us a £50M profit each season!

  • 73 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    jesperfuglsang @ 66

    The thing about Liverpool is we have heard it all before buying lots of players. Of the last big spend how many of them are left at the club. Suarez is their ace and it looks like he ain’t too happy there.

  • 74 Belfast // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    I don’t think it would change anything Charlie/Mushy

    Think we’re going to get tanked anyway, so we’ll have to wait and see lol

  • 75 croftus5678 // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    imo we only need;

    a cb for squad cover
    2 decent wingers 1 each side as arfa can play either and hopefully sammy will come good by next season.
    a gk for 3rd choice.
    and a strong striker

    we can challenge the top then :-)

  • 76 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Slang…I was just sharing news mate :)

  • 77 Belfast // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Apart from the Man City game the first few fixtures are decent enough. They’d maybe shit themselves if we lost the first 3 games though

  • 78 mushy // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Breaking News on Sky:

    Darren Bent joins Fulham on season long loan.

    Bullet dodged there then.

  • 79 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    *slank

  • 80 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    croftus5678 @ 75

    I agree with you about a centre back as cover, a third choice keeper and a strong forward but was a bit puzzled about two decent wingers when we already have Ben Arfa.

    Did you not mean ‘we can challenge for mid table then ‘ !!

  • 81 JaxtheMag // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Fulham ave got our top target on loan ffs

  • 82 mushy // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    … and on that happy note; I’m off shopping with wor lass. Deep joy.

  • 83 sparky55 // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    losing heavily on Monday won’t loosen the purse strings but hopefully it’ll lead to Pardew getting the sack and we build from there

  • 84 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    jesperfuglsang @ 79

    No problemo.

  • 85 Klatoon // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    jesper

    Cissokho to cesspool? Good news, I didnt want the mackems to get him!

  • 86 croftus5678 // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    @73 slank

    tbf the puds have sturridge who imo is very highly underated always has been imo.
    coutinhio= class/ sterling = class / gerrard (even though he uses a zimmer frame now) is slow but still quality/ then theres our old fave enrique so they have some really quality players tried and tested before you even think about adding the players coming in !

    some of those players coming in i dont rate tbh though i.e. aspas i think is pretty poor and looks slow and stupid.

    think they are in the running though tbh.

  • 87 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    sparky55 @ 83

    Why are Newcastle fans often the laughing stock of the league?

  • 88 Munster Mag // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Well I would certainly rather have Bent than no-one, especially on loan ….looks like a repeat of last summer. The longer it goes, the more logical it is that we wont get anyone. I still refuse to believe that we arent active but Joe is not known for his work ethic. To quote a previous striker of his at Forest ….DOFs go around the world watching players and selling the club and meeting people. Joe wont leave his house”

  • 89 numba9 // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Oh yea and the ready made cheap as chips joke in here installed sorry but I am not watching this junk

  • 90 croftus5678 // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    @80 slank

    2 wingers for squad depth as arfa is our only decent winger imo.

  • 91 Sazzer // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Everton lining up bid on Tadic. Why haven’t we sold Obertan and Amalfitano yet? At least Jonas in Pardews plans.

  • 92 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    croftus5678 @ 86

    ‘think they are in the running though tbh. ‘

    Yes, but to where?

    Can’t see them overtaking Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal or Man Utd although Kets is absolutely convinced ManU will finish mid table. I doubt even the most ardent Man City supporter would agree with him.

  • 93 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Sazzer…I think Alfi needs to go out on loan at least this season, on Obertan! Who would seriously want to buy him?

  • 94 toon kk // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Most clubs in the premier league run at a loss. Lets face it wages are ridiculous but that’s just the way it is.
    MA wants us to be a with profit club year after year but to do so he has to gamble, he just got away with it last season. We’ll just have to get used to being a club that is on the brink of being bankrupt as long as MA owns the club, its just a business to him no more.

  • 95 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Trouble is we get trounced Monday night and I don’t believe anything will change apart from the player mentality .
    we will just carry on in the same vein as last season.Any other manager at any PL club would have been sacked for that shambles we had to put up with last term.
    Imo if we get well beaten Monday night-firstly our supposed top players will look to move on because they will not keep putting up with this bullsh@t, And second it will put off any linked player in joining this club as nobody will want to join this sinking ship !!

  • 96 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    croftus5678

    “only”…wahahahahaaha!

    IMO we only need one alternative striker (like Gomis) and some young hungry players.

    We have Krul and Elliott at GK. I don’t know if Alnwick is cut out to come on from the bench but if one of the first 2 get injured, then we can always get an emergency loan like several other clubs have done.

    We have Colo, MYM, Saylor and Willo as our 4 centre backs. Willo has been decent when he’s played and I don’t think it’s a priority to upgrade one of those yet, though I’d be happy if we did. Debuchy, Santon and Haidara are our full backs with Anita offering cover too. So I don’t see gaping holes there.

    We know we have plenty in central midfield and for the more attacking roles we have Ben Arfa, Marv, Sissoko, Goofy, Remy, Jonas, Sammy, Obertan and Vuckic. Several of those have and can play out wide.

    I think the back 5 pretty much picks itself but if the rest of the team includes Tiote/Anita, Cabaye and Sissoko in midfield, Remy and Ben Arfa as attacking midfielders/wingers supporting Cisse up front, where is the weakness?

    I’m all for strengthening the squad but what I really want to see is a strong physical striker brought in who will effectively play instead of Ameobi.

  • 97 Bye Bye AP // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    I agree with 2 wingers but we won’t get one at this rate!

    IF we keep our current squad and add 1 more forwrd we can be 10th but is that all Ashley wants?

    Spend a few quid bring in 3/4 players and aim top 6!!

  • 98 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Spurs have accepted a bid from QPR for Parker!

  • 99 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    Sazzer

    The problem for buyers is they would be very wary of an Alex Ferguson reject (Obertan) and a player few if any have seen actually playing (Amalfitano). I suspect that Obertan is on a good package which teams in the lower leagues possibly couldn’t afford.

  • 100 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Bye Bye AP

    When you say “a few quid” what exactly do you mean?

    Our squad is already pretty full when it comes to the 25 players that we can register so we need to ship some players out to sign more.

    I agree that we should sign at least one more player, but we can’t go out and splash the cash aiming for 6th without taking a serious risk. The real money is in the CL and unless we get in that, we won’t have serious cash to spend.

  • 101 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    The problem with the Europa League is that a club will only get a few million in revenue from it (champions get less than £10M I believe!), as opposed to a minimum of about £25M in the CL. Huge difference!

  • 102 Slank // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    toon kk @ 94

    ‘..Most clubs in the premier league run at a loss..’

    Have you checked with Swiss Ramble, you might be surprised.

  • 103 swisstone // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    I dont blame the club at all on this one

    Its clear they will pay within reason where it is deserving eg Remy, but not where the quality is not justified

  • 104 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    Jesus fc lads some of you take a step back and just listen to yourselves please.
    Cant afford to splash the cash-Seriously !!
    We have the 7th richest PL owner, Made 550 million last year alone and is in the top 30 richest in the uk and he cant afford to splash the cash.

  • 105 mattyNUFC // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    let’s not forget that the match might not only determine whether we bring in another player or two (I don’t think anything will. I mean, MA is negligent enough to retain pardew), but some players- if the scoreline and/or performance is appauling enough, will surely be telling their agents and/or suitors they’re not so sure they want to waste another year in an already short career

  • 106 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    jazzyp

    For the one millionth time…the wealth of our owner is only relevant if either:
    a) he wants to splurge his own money on us like Chelski or Citeh OR
    b) he LOANS us money to help us grow

    He’s already done the latter and they’re not insignificant sums.

    Why don’t people get it that it’s NUFC’s money that will be spent, not Mike Ashley’s!

  • 107 JaxtheMag // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    we play morcombe 4days b4 we play Fulham. I fear 4 pards, the end is nigh.

  • 108 GeordieDan // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    I havn’t posted in here for ages and I almost foegot why-

    Until I read Jeff’s and Spartak Miserables comments@7 and @29 and then I renembered EXACTLY WHY:

    Almost every decent poster has gone now and the site has been taken over by wankers like those 2.

    Ed I would honestly give up mate. You’re wasting your time with these arseholes.

    And its a picture of Bent, not Benteke that I can see you Troll fukwits!

    Later all, apologies to the odd decent poster on here but this time I wont be back!

  • 109 ochytoon // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    TDS
    But isn’t that what running a club should be about?
    Look at all these other teams around us, Norwich, Southampton, Swansea, who are spending money and ultimately, taking a risk. Owners should so ambition, if not, then whats the point of owning a club.

  • 110 croftus5678 // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    @96 tds

    i understand they can play out wide and agree they can do a job but i dont think doing a job is good enough if we want to start moving up the table tbh.

    to fill in when a real winger is injured then fair enough i think we can get away with that but ober should be going sammy/vukic not ready imo.
    cover from anita/guti/goofy is good as they are versatile for a few areas.

  • 111 Rainrix // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    SS has been surprisingly generous with us. 9th! wow

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/teams/newcastleunited/profile

  • 112 Currytoon // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Everyone who says our squad is weaker than last year when we nearly got relegated are missing one important fact:

    Our first XI should be much stronger this season.

    We were decimated by injuries last year. We had 1745 days lost to injury, compared to the next worst 1281. Most had less than half the days lost compared to us. And ours were to key players.

    We missed Colo for a large part of the season, Ben Arfa for nearly all of it, Cabaye, Tiote, both Taylors and Krul also missed large parts.
    Our only saving grace was that Cisse didn’t get crocked.

    We will also have the players brought in January playing for the whole of the season, and hopefully bedded into life in the Premiership.

    Our strongest XI is stronger than the season we finished 5th (lost Ba and Simpson, gained Remi, Sissokho, Debuchy, Yanga-Mbiwa, plus our foreign contingent have a few more years experience under their belt).

    Sorry for the positivity…!

  • 113 joeinthecheapseats // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Well if we don’t buy anyone else it really shows that Ashley has no ambition other than a marketing tool for sports direct
    What is JFK doing for his wages one wonders after all the crap he spouted on talksport
    Hope he proves me wrong but doesn’t look likely
    Be another window of late bids with no intention of getting anyone in

  • 114 DokToon // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    id say good morning, but im appalled at some of you who’d rather see us lose to citeh, so the mgr can be fired….

    what kind of supporter says that?

  • 115 TimKrulFan // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    We needed a winger so bad all season we are going to have Jonas there all season I want pardew out so badly I hate him More than any other manager I’d rather have Kinear.

  • 116 TimKrulFan // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    If anyone thinks this I’d going to be a season is deluded I have never watched us won comfortable under pardew.

  • 117 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    NUFC needs to up its revenue if we want to spend more!

    We only have the 8th highest revenue in the PL at £91M and Spurs comes in at #5 with £164M.

    One should ask them self how much revenue were Spurs generating in the early 2000? He had CL football and were not generating more than we are now. What has Spurs don’t to set them self apart.

    They are not a bigger club than us, but those running Tottenham probably have more business sense than those who have been running Newcastle over the years!

  • 118 LooneyToon41 // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    @108. Ochy. Did Swansea,Norwich,Southampton splash out nearly £20m in January?…… er.. no they didn’t, and we had a failed bid of circa £10m for Remy … so we were prepared to spend nearly £30m.
    That’s not particularly unambitious.

  • 119 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    *He = we

  • 120 croftus5678 // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    @101 tds

    the reason a lot of clubs are spending big is because of the extra tv money this year.

    i cant go by other clubs as i’ve not looked at there finances but we worked it out on this blog some weeks ago that with increased sponsorship from wonga and tv money there is an extra 30mil this year on top of what we did last year (weather its in the bank now or not i do not know) i would prob guess that wages are slightly less now also with our outgoings/incomings but that wont be affected untill the end of the season.

  • 121 LooneyToon41 // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    @116 Jesper… Phew, finally some sense ;-)

  • 122 toon kk // Aug 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Most top clubs generate more income but also there owners have great ambition for there club so they Plough their own money in, Newcastle United is a business to MA which he lent money to and now he wants it back and more. I think the sale of AC made £ signs roll in front of his eyes, now he wants more.

  • 123 G.unit // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Quotes from Kinnear when he took the job back in June………………(from NUFC.COM)

    June 16th: “If there is somewhere where we are short of people scoring goals, and we see people who will guarantee us 20 goals a season, then we will take that chance and I will buy those players.”

    June 17th: “We need a prolific goalscorer to come in there and assist Cisse.”

    June 22nd: “I’ll be the one who sits down with Alan Pardew and says ‘let’s get this guy’.”

    June 22nd: “Alan decides who the centre forward is going to be. We have three lined up.”

    June 24th: “They (Newcastle fans) want to see their team do as well as possible. When things are not going right they stamp their feet – and so they should. It is part of the culture up there and you have to take the criticism when you do not do well.”

    So, I take it these 3 strikers were Remy (which we have on loan), Bent (now at Fulham) and Gomis (deal now dead). Silence is deafening as they say and the desperation is starting to creep in.

  • 124 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    ochytoon

    No. Running a club is about running a club. Only some owners want to come in and splash out their own money and MA has already done this by taking on the loans and then loaning the club more money when we got relegated. He’d need to sell the club for over £250M to make a profit as it stands, so it’s not as if there’s more equity for him to play with.

    As for the other clubs, big deal. They have spent big because the increase TV revenue is massive for them based on the fact that they have several players on low wages. They are investing in order to stay in the PL, we need to invest to push into the top 6.

  • 125 Novocastrian66 // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Looney; By the clubs own admission the money spent in January should have been spent last summer. Poor management meant we had to spend to survive last season.
    We are now making the same mistake again. Fact of the matter is we have signed one player since the end of last season.
    From when our January signings were made we played 15 games winning 17 points. Hardly a dramatic improvement on the previous 23 games where we won 24 points. Do not pin your hopes on anything being any different this coming season.
    The signings in January where almost too late and we have not learned our lesson.

  • 126 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    croftus5678

    But many clubs don’t play with out and out wingers, so why should we? Look at the way Chelsea player last year, they had Mata, Oscar and Hazard playing similar roles to the likes of Ben Arfa, Remy and Goofy. Ok, they’re better players but you can see what I mean. I don’t see the point in having a winger to cross from the byline when we don’t have a Shearer or Carroll to met the crosses anyway.

  • 127 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    Jesper

    Dead right. Spurs’ model has seen them finish in the top 10 for 10 of the last 12 seasons and they have made sensible signings with resale value then sold them on at significant profit (Keane, Berbatov, Modric, Caulker etc.)

    It seems to be that we are trying to follow that model, but it takes a lot of time and we’ll either have to do it miles better than one of the top 6 or wait for one of them to falter.

    It’s going to be tough…

  • 128 ochytoon // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    TDS
    If you think we’ll be investing to break into the top 6 then you”re deluded. We are at least a year behind the progression of other clubs. Southampton, Swansea, Everton and Liverpool are investing for a top 6 finish.
    If we were to invest, we’d be around the level of Fulham and West Ham and Stoke. A mid level club.

    Oh and I don’t buy that crap about Ashley investing in January. Signing Remy would most likely have meant no Gouffran for starters. The other signings were only brought forwards from this summer to prevent relegation. So much for ambition.

  • 129 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    croftus5678

    Actually, wages were already too high last summer at 67% and the wages would have increased due to the January signings, so we’ve already been investing to prepare for additional revenue. Not to mention that we got about £9M less from the PL for our league finish last season compared to the season before.

    Don’t forget that if our wage bill is £200kpw higher than last summer based on those 5 players, plus Remy, plus (hopefully) another striker, then that’s a cool £10M already. Add the rumoured £2M for Remy’s loan fee and (hopefully) around £8M for a new striker and that’s £20M of the £30M gone.

    I don’t think Harper, Perch and Simpson would have been earning so much with us…apparently Harper used to but I’d be surprised if he still was in that last season.

  • 130 Scottiedog // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    So basically from most of the blogs that have come trough recently mean Kinnear is slatted if he signs Bent or doesn’t!?!?!?!

  • 131 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    TDS
    Afternoon mate
    so you seriously think that by signing the odd player every summer, That is going to transform us in to a top 6 PL team.
    I am not interested in figures-income over expenditure blah blah blah.The fact of the matter is unless some Billionaire comes to Mashleys rescue, He is stuck with nufc.
    WE all make losses in our lives and have to take a hit every now and again. But why bother putting up with a venture you are not remotely interested in as Ashley is doing.

  • 132 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    TDS..I think what sets Tottenham apart is Daniel Levy. He has really change the club in many ways since he became chairman in 2001.

    Levy is managing director of ENIC International Ltd and was a director at Rangers before he took over at Spurs. ENIC held significant stakes in Rangers and other European clubs such as AEK, Slavia Prague and Vicenza.

    Maybe MA is trying to copy Levy ;) lol

  • 133 noir9 // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Ashley is not going to lend us any more money unless it is an emergency like January. As it stands between what he paid for the club & loaned totals about £280 mil, that’s more than we’re worth. This combined with our policy of not spreading transfer fee’s means we are not able to spend like some clubs.

  • 134 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    ochytoon

    Southampton and Swansea are not investing to get into the top 6, are you insane?! Just because they have spend big on a couple of players does not mean it’s in their plan to get top 6. They can target it all they like but there’s a huge gap between the top 6 and the rest no matter what you look at – squad, revenue, wage bill etc.

    It’s really really really simple. Compared to the squad we had when we finished 5th, here are the pros and cons:

    CONS
    Harper LEFT
    Simpson LEFT
    Perch LEFT
    Ba LEFT
    Raylor INJURED

    PROS
    Remy ARRIVED
    Debuchy ARRIVED
    Goofy ARRIVED
    Haidara ARRIVED
    MYM ARRIVED
    Sissoko ARRIVED
    New Head of Development (fitness)
    Hopefully a new striker
    Proper pre-season (including Jan signings) with no serious injuries that we know of (other than Raylor) so Cabaye, Ben Arfa etc. should be raring to go
    The likes of Vuckic, Dummett, Sammy and Campbell have an extra year under their belts and should challenge.
    Every player in the squad should be heading toward their peak rather than past it, with the possible exceptions of Colo and Ameobi

    There is no question whatsoever that we’re in better shape going into this season than we were going into 2011/12 or 2012/13.

  • 135 paul24 // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    @jesperfuglsang

    If he is trying to copy Levy he isnt doing a very good job, at least with Levy you get a sense that he knows and cares about whats going on on the pitch.

  • 136 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    jazzyp…I would love for MA to pack his backs and move on to pasture new, but I don’t think he’ll be doing so unless someone shows him the money!

    …he is not loosing money here as it is! It’s the sad realization!

    This is why I think MA bought the club – he thought it would be cool to own a PL club! Period! He bought it when the financial times where too good to be true and people thought it would just get better and better…it didn’t! It actually crashed!

    Now he is stuck with us (making money though). Si I don’t think he is selling unless he gets his money’s worth. If we want him to leave I honestly think we have to force him (like we have done in the past)

  • 137 Ben3arfa // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    JOKE Kinnear is a oathetic human being who will get us relegated .

    Old scum piss right off

  • 138 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    jazzyp

    Hey fella.

    He’s obviously interested because he’s still doing good things rather than just leaving it to rot or selling it for a song. But I agree, his interested has somewhat dimmed since he sat with the fans and then got absolutely slated for what happened to KK.

    I truly believe that we have a fairly well rounded squad for where we should be targeting (top 8 in my opinion). The only real weakness is upfront where we need a strong striker like Gomis. So what I want to see us do is work very hard for that odd special signing to strengthen the squad but also look for young players who can grow into the first team. We should only look to spend £10M+ on a player when we have to, ideally we should have bought them years before and grown them into a player good enough.

    Top 6 will take a hell of a lot of time though because the current top 6 have more money than us and are very well run. Man Utd, Chelski and Citeh are seriously wealthy compared to the rest and Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs are massive clubs that are very well run. The first 5 have advantages that are going to be very difficult to offset with anything we could possibly do (bar a massive investment from a new owner) so it’s really Spurs that we need to target and also capitalise on mistakes by the other 5 whenever we can.

    It’s not going to be easy.

  • 139 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    paul24…I totally agree mate :)

    …and I really do find it hard to grasp what MA is doing…and why!

    If he want out and he want his money and then some, then surely there is a better way doing so?

  • 140 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    jesper

    He could do worse than learn a few lessons from Levy! MA found out very quickly than running a football club is very different to running another business. Sadly he made some critical cock-ups before he properly realised this!

    I think we just need to give him some more time as things seem to be improving from where I sit. We only have to look at what happened to Blackburn to see that a new owner isn’t always a good thing…

  • 141 DokToon // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    what they are saying stateside: (from fox soccer)

    Up in Newcastle, Alan Pardew has been given almost endless rope. He is only a year into the eight-year contract his clueless owner Mike Ashley gave him. But all the money he has pumped into his squad on almost exclusively French players has yielded no dividends. Last year, they missed relegation by just five points.

  • 142 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    paul/jesper

    I think the difference is that as you said, Levy had experience of running a football club before he went to Spurs. Sadly MA didn’t get advice from the right people and he made mistakes.

    So what is better? An owner who has already made the key mistakes and has hopefully learned from them or a new owner who might make the same mistakes all over again?

  • 143 nufc7lad // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Whats the official fantasy premier league code for our blog?

  • 144 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    TDS…he most definitely could!

    …I am a bit confused about what MA’s intentions are these days. I believe he is making NUFC fit for a sale, but I don’t quite understand his reasoning.

    For me everything about MA reeks of Hubris (maybe that’s why he likes Pardew so much) and we all know with Hubris comes Nemesis!

  • 145 ochytoon // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    TDS
    It’s Southampton’s intention to make European football within a few seasons. They’ve signed two players with Champions League experience.
    Swansea weren’t far off the top six last season and they’ve strengthened greatly.
    Liverpool and Everton are a given for that battle.

  • 146 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    FFS!!!,the only way you could be happy with the speed of our transfers is to pretend we are in Tudor times when the only means of transport were horses and boats
    July 1st.”News from the continent sir!!,PEA is available for transfer”,”Great news Lord Carr,prepare the horses,we set sail tonight”.2 weeks later,just off the coast of Dover.”Sir,terrible news,Borussia Dortmund have signed PEA”,”Ah bollocks,turn around,we must return to Newcastle to prepare our next move”.2 wks later,somewhere near Whitby.”Sir great news,Lyon are willing to sell Bafetembi Gomis”,”Ah f*ck it,turn around chaps,we set sail for France”.

  • 147 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    nufc7lad

    It’s on the right hand side of this page mate

  • 148 Ben3arfa // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    people like Kinnear deserve to be taxed on the air they breathe

  • 149 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    TDS…personally I think MA is starting to cock-up again, which is worrying!

    …has he not learned from last season and what about the timing of appointing a DoF – someone without any experience in that field. And why does he persist in hiring friends?

    Haven’t anybody told him not to mix business and pleasure?

  • 150 jimmysmith // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Surely Newcastle have known what Bents wage demands would be for months, yet we lose out to Fulham. I don’t think it was ever gonna happen and hope this means another signing is imminent. Otherwise, I think they’ve just been shining us on.

  • 151 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    jesper

    I think he just wants NUFC to be fit generally and therefore able to stand on its own. Then he can choose whether to sell it or grow it. Everyone knows that it has been a mess and it looks like they’ve sorted out the finances and some internal processes like the youth team and it makes it a better run club and obviously more attractive to buy.

    I know what you’re saying about him…but don’t you think that’s the case with most billionaires?

  • 152 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    ochytoon

    It’s all well and good targeting European football within a few seasons and maybe they’ll do it, but look at the clubs that are in the top 6 now, they’ve been working hard for many years to establish themselves there. Even if Saints or Swansea had a season in the Europa League it doesn’t mean that they will stay in the top 6. Add Everton to make it a top 7 and that has been virtually unchanged for several seasons apart from a freak 5th place from us!

    Southampton and Swansea would need some serious progression to think about establishing themselves in the top 10, let alone the top 6.

  • 153 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Tds
    I hope your right bud.Its just so frustrating when all you want is the best for Nufc and you feel if the owner showed that extra bit of ambition towards the club, We might god forbid actually achieve something.
    I do believe that the season before last should have been a pivotal turning point in Mashleys reign. We had a massive chance to push on with a few big signings that we would have been able to attract with the scope of Uefa football !!

  • 154 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    jesper

    The DoF appointment was odd, I don’t understand why he couldn’t have been appointed earlier in the season and having a transition from Llambias over several months. Maybe Llambias forced his hand? Maybe they fell out? Who knows…

    But as long as we get that other striker I’ll be ok with it.

  • 155 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    TDS…I don’t think you should own a football club for the reason of money – doesn’t mean of course you shouldn’t make it sustainable. I think you own a football out of love of the game and the club – doesn’t mean of course that you have to pump your own money into it or launder your money!

    Like I said with Hubris comes Nemesis!

  • 156 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Mr mojo
    hahahha-cracking post sir !!

  • 157 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    * football club

  • 158 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    jazzyp

    I agree with you there. I’m baffled why we didn’t sign just 2 or 3 players at that point rather than waiting 6 months and not giving them enough time to bed into the squad before they were playing. I can understand that it may not have been in the budget but it was clearly a mistake given the injuries and loss of form to certain players.

    I think we’re well set for this season, I really do. And if we’re not looking good then I hope Pardew falls on his sword before December.

  • 159 Mr Robson // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    mike.ashley@sportsdirect.com

    Who’s got the minerals?

  • 160 toon kk // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    Does anyone think Pardew would have kept his job at another club after last season’s diabolical performances? MA has him as a yes man forgetting a manager can make a big difference. Maybe due to the season before he deserves another chance. Who knows?

  • 161 Greebol1892 // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Good. Hopefully that’s the last we’ll hear of Bent on the blog.

    Belfast

    Ashley’s goal is definitely to undermine AP. he wants him to walk.
    Why sign players for a manager who is not good enough to take us forward? i.e. ideally a manager that promotes pass & move football and can see his players strengths and get the best out of them.

    Unfortunately, AP is not that man – he’s tactically naive & way too defensive. Too dependent on individual talent to produce something special.

  • 162 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    jesper

    I don’t believe MA bought the club for the money and it’s not as if he’s taking a salary out of it (like Shepherd and Hall did) is it? I think he bought it to have some fun (which backfired) and to help legitimise his sports industry (which has worked pretty well).

  • 163 DokToon // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    in MA’s view, why worry about selling a few hundred shirts, when you can sell carroll for 35 mil..

    its like why play penny poker, when you can play for big stakes…

  • 164 alext109 // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Club finally released date for gold strip worn for SBR day game. Anyone know whether the impari card is the same as the membership card??

  • 165 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    TDS…see my post @ 136 :)

    Gotta run chaps – good talk! later

  • 166 paul24 // Aug 16, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    I cant see how anyone can be optimisic about our current squad, i’ve been having a look through what we have and it makes for fairly grim reading. While we have more players than the likes of Tottenham, they have a lot more quality in there depth, not to mention a far superior staring 11. Everton have more depth and arguably a similar strength starting 11 and the same could be said about Liverpool even if Saurez goes to greener pastures. I really do believe that with some investment into the squad we should have jumped above both Liverpool and Everton in the pecking order and been battling it out with Tottenham to get into the Champions League, it’s not that often such a big club falls from grace in such spectacular fashion, and I think any other owner would have jumped at the chance to boost our status. It’s even more worrying looking at some of the other clubs like Swansea and Norwich, while they arent at the same level as us they are cementing themselves in the Premier League and gearing up to give everyone some competiton, all while we have done not nearly enough, Newcastle United is a big club and should be up fighting it out for European football on a regular basis, settling or mid table finishes year after year just isnt good enough.

  • 167 toon kk // Aug 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    I’ve certainly got the impression MA thinks NUFC is his club and he’ll dam well do what the hell he wants with it.
    He got into a business without any knowledge of football making mistake after mistake, he got him self disliked by the majority of the fans. But he’s a business man with a thick skin and all he does is dig his heels in.

  • 168 Indian Magpie // Aug 16, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    Mark Douglas ?@MsiDouglas 31m
    Pardew doesn’t ‘anticipate much late business’… but says striker must come in. Confirmed Bent was nearly at #nufc but chose Fulham.

  • 169 jimmysmith // Aug 16, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    Our starting 11 is top class and can provide stiff opposition for any side. Add a bench that includes Mbiwa, Jonas, Marveaux, Anita, and you’ve really got 15 top payers there and some good young players in Hadarra, Dummett and Bigi and Vuckic to round out the squad along with Shola who divides opinion but who I rate. If we don’t pick up injuries to key players at critical times we are top 8, with one or two more a chance at sixth. The thing that worries me most is the attitude and desire of the players after the disappointment of last season, but they keep saying the right things so maybe I’m allowing my anxieties to run away with me.a little.

  • 170 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    paul24

    Show me a like for like comparison with Everton. That’s the club I think we’re closest to.

  • 171 iain // Aug 16, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    “Confirmed Bent was nearly at #nufc but chose Fulham.”

    Tbh its probably true and sums up the type of player he is, in WC year he was still more interested in how much he would get paid than where and how much he was playing. Bent is up there with the deluded Owens etc about how well there careers are seen by others. In his mind Bent genuinly probably believes he deserves to start ahead of Rooney etc for England. Lambert has been at enough top clubs in his time to spot a poser when he sees one i would imagine and has had Bent sussed for ages. Glad weve missed out on him tbh.

  • 172 iain // Aug 16, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Right I would take 25m for Cabaye for the piece of mind to be able to bring in some more quality players.

    The grass isnt always greener Modric is hardly going to be remembered as a Real great seeing he hardly plays for them. Spurs have done ok since they sold him too..

  • 173 Tommyy // Aug 16, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    Indian – Sums up Newcastle quite succinctly that little tweet. All woulda coulda shoulda… Didn’t and won’t.

  • 174 paul24 // Aug 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    @ToonDarnSarf

    I’m not that good at like for like comparisons, I tend to end up writing essay’s and waffle on a bit :P, but he’s my view of the two in bite size portions.

    GK
    Starting between the sticks I’d say we are pretty evenly matched for keepers with Krul edging ahead over Howard. As for back ups, they have better options in my opinion.

    CB
    While our best two are arguably more talented than any pairing they have, they have more choice and much better back ups.

    FB
    Well, they have Baines on the left, we have Santon, need I say more. We have Debuchy on the right, they have Shamus Coleman, need i say more. As for back ups they seem to be in the same boat as us, a couple of youngsters and some make shift replacements.

    MF
    On par with what we have in terms of talent but better bringing the ball forward and usually cover for each other and use open space better.

    FW
    Everton have 9 forwards of varying levels of talent who can be used in pairings or a front 3 with backup, we have 4 (we actually have 5 but I flat out refuse to acknowledge Shola, he’s awful and needs to go before the transfer window shuts), who can play in pairings or in a 3 with some backup in the form of Marv and HBA.

  • 175 John PK // Aug 16, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Hi Guys,

    I know its a bit of subject so sorry but thought i would post this as im sure you may be interested. Sale is closing within an hour

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261262058372?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649




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