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Pardew Names 18 Man Squad – Here’s The Likely Starting Eleven

7:14 pm, Sunday, August 18th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 372 Comments

If anybody thought that Dan Gosling has a future on Tyneside, that’s probably not going to happen, as Dan hasn’t made the 18 man squad for the game at Manchester City tomorrow night, which will be the final game in the first round of games in the Premier League this season.

Steven Taylor wonga +C7Aj2wXICAsm

Steven Taylor – will he get star tomorrow night?

And two expected results today, with Tottenham beating Crystal Palace at Selhust Park 1-0 with a second half penalty from new boy Roberto Soldado, although Palace looked a decent team and gave Spurs a good game.

And Chelsea easily beat Hull City 2-0 with two first half goals from Oscar and Frank Lampard, but Hull made a game of it in the second half, and manager Steve Bruce will be well pleased with the performance of his side.

And in the 18 man squad for Newcastle is Davide Santon, who was reported yesterday as being a doubt for this game, but Yanga-Mbiwa could play there – but no place for Geordie lad Paul Dummett in the squad.

The rest of the squad is basically as expected, with Gabby Obertan making the squad:

Newcastle squad: Krul, Elliot, Debuchy, S Taylor, Yanga-Mbiwa, Coloccini, Santon, Ben Arfa, Obertan, Tiote, Cabaye, Sissoko, Anita, Gutierrez, Shola Ameobi, Gouffran, Cisse, Marveaux.

Newcastle will probably start the following team tomorrow night:

Krul
Debuchy Coloccini (c) Taylor (S) Santon
Ben Arfa Cabaye Sissoko Tiote Gutierrez
Cisse

What would your starting eleven be?

It’s a toss up between Steven Taylor and Yanga-Mbiwa as to who partners Coloccini in central defense, and Mapou is also an excellent left-back and could even be challenging Davide Santon for the start at left back.

Not sure what formation Alan Pardew will play but it’s like to be some variation of 4-5-1 with Papiss Cisse up front as the lone striker.

But the bench will be strong:

Elliot Yanga-Mbiwa Anita Gouffran Obertan Marveaux Ameobi (Sh)

In fact that 18 man squad is strong, and will be even stronger when Loic Remy is fit, but Joe Kinnear still has to deliver another top striker in the next 15 days.

And from what we’ve heard from readers who have seen Juventus striker Alessandro Matri play regularly in Italy – the Italian would seem to be a good addition to the Newcastle squad for just £6M – and we have it on good authority that Newcastle can actually afford that fee. :D.

Matri turns 29 years old tomorrow.

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372 responses so far ↓

  • 1 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    We don’t really know who Pardew will select for the XI tomorrow night, but we suspect it will include Jonas.

  • 2 Belfast // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    The team will be built around our best player Jonas the genius Gutierrez

  • 3 ~Joke-innear~ // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    I feel sick.

    Just the thought of having either Tiote or Jonas in the lineup makes me cringe… but both of them?! I think i’m gonna puke.

  • 4 Dannyo // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    How do you know his 18 man squad Ed?

  • 5 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    Belfast
    The cover that Jonas provides on the left for our defense is vital, because we all know Santon can’t be bothered to do the job himself.

  • 6 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    In infinitely more interesting news…

    Neymar has just made his competitive debut for Barcelona

  • 7 Rake // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    Away at City I would resent Jonas playing but accept it. At home we need a winger who can attack.

  • 8 lesh // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    15 days of the window left and I wonder if Ashley is reflecting on Kinnear’s two week holiday when he could have been working on deals? Another striker would have added to this squad as would a pacy winger who can put in decent crosses. But, no.

    That man has been a complete washout so far and he’s got a fortnight to make a contribution to the club!

  • 9 Matt // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    gonna get hammered tommorrow night same players and manager as last season nothing will change

  • 10 Belfast // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    Play Mbiwa left back and play Santon left wing, problem solved.

  • 11 Matt // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    Watch them heads drop when city score in the first 5mins

  • 12 Moe // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Wonder what Obertan is doing to be in the 18 man squad .mustn’t has he?

  • 13 Belfast // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    He does a good job tracking back like, but anytime you have a chance to counter attack away from home he’s far to slow, goes round in circles, falls over etc etc

  • 14 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Great news, no Mike Williamson. Good squad apart from Shola.

  • 15 AndyNUFC // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    I hope we start M’Biwa at left back with Santon left wing – I am gonna be bold (/deluded) and say 1-1 with Cisse scoring a worldy.

  • 16 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Belfast
    Dont even think Jonas is much help at that either. How many times have we been opened up on the left under this tactic of having Jonas cover the left while Santon does all the winger work.

    But the simple fact that Jonas made 2 or 3 runs down the left all preseason will justify his spot in the team. Sad really.

  • 17 puretoon // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Matt @ 9. couldn’t agree with you more mate! I honestly don’t know what fans were expecting this season as it’s same boring manager with same boring style of football and same players-it’s not so much the players-apart from Jonas and Shola, but the manager.

  • 18 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Obertan’s decision making is a joke.

  • 19 TimKrulFan // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Where’s Vuckic and where’s Bigi are manager is an absolute prick he will never give a player from the youth a chance.

  • 20 lesh // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Maybe I’ve been a tad harsh on Kinnear. Here’s me thinking he was on holiday when in fact he was trying to get Neymar signed up!

    On topic, let’s not underestimate the lads eh. Look at Aston Villa possing Arsenal yesterday and there’s no reason why we shouldn’t bring the points back from Citeh.

    Howaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy the lads – show them what the Toon’s about, shove it up them!!!!

  • 21 Ashton // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    M’biwa is a much better footballer than Taylor. Only Pardew and his stupid assistants are oblivious to this fact, it seems.

  • 22 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Ashton

    I very much agree with you. I would even go as far to say that this season I think M’biwa will establish himself as by far the best defender we have at the club.

  • 23 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    @lesh

    I’m sure Kinnear was in talks with Santos, but when he called asking for a player called Meemars de Sanos, they couldn’t understand what the f*** he was on about.

  • 24 toonicle // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    I’m fine with Taylor starting at CB and Mbiwa going to LB but guti shouldn’t be starting over marv anymore.

  • 25 lesh // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Good grief we’re starting the Shola and Jonas bashing early.

    Give those guys a break – the season hasn’t started yet although we’ve had a summer of it haven’t we. Pathetic.

  • 26 TimKrulFan // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    We all know what the line up is going to be and so does every other manager in the league.

  • 27 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    sorry lesh, i’ll give Jonas a 2nd season to prove his worth. The guy deserves it. After all, he puts in maximum effort :)

  • 28 lesh // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    89Norcal @23…. Lol, nice one

  • 29 CDEVINE69 // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    m’biwa is by far better than Steven Taylor. partner him in defence with Colo if santon is fit to play left back, then debuchy right back, krul in goal obviously. i think we Will play 4 2 3 1 so play tiote with anita as the holding two then Ben arfa sissoko and cabaye in the 3 with cisse up top.

  • 30 lesh // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    Fair do’s Norcal, he does work his chuckies off making some good runs forward and offers support in defence too.

  • 31 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    CDEVINE I like the prospect of Cabaye in a more advanced position but just sub Tiote for Sissoko. Anita’s crisp passing with Sissoko’s strength to contend with Toure.

  • 32 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    lesh
    Yep but he needs to make goals as a winger. Honestly wouldn’t mind if he was LB, put Mbiwa in center and Santon on the LW or swap with Hatem on the RW, but won’t happen.

  • 33 Yorkgeordie // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    I wish you would all get off Jonas’s back. He will let nobody down. Probably the same people sing Marveaux praises, one kick and he hides the rest of the game and Anita who gets brushed off the ball easy. Jonas is ok, but then I’ve actually seen them all play.

  • 34 Ashton // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    M’biwa’s spatial awareness is miles ahead of Taylor’s. People may not realize this fact but he is much more cultured as a defender than Taylor will ever be. We might not see M’biwa putting his face on the line of fire and sacrificing his own life every time the opposition attack because he doesn’t need to. He just calculates where the ball is heading and accordingly he times himself and cuts the ball without any fuss or heroics.

  • 35 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    I think the first thing that has to change is this deluded belief that we can play 4-2-3-1. Unless we play it the way Chelsea do, ie have our CF coming deep and having our 3 AMs running past the CF then we will never be potent with it.

    We should be taking our lessons from Liverpool, play a 4-3-3 with an interchangeable front 3, which may in time dropping Cisse unless he learns how to be flexible in terms of positioning.

    As it stands we have a manager who would rather play 4-4-2 if he could get away with it.

  • 36 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    Ashton

    Part of the reason why Saylor may need to throw himself in the line of a shot, or throw his head where it shouldn’t be is down to the fact that he hasn’t defended the situation properly in the first place and as such needs “heroics” to salvage the situation. I don’t mind Saylor, he’s a 3rd choice CB at best, certainly nowhere near the excellent M’biwa.

  • 37 Novocastrian66 // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Southampton splash another £15m for Pablo Osvaldo.

  • 38 Ashton // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    But diving for the ball like an absolute lunatic than acting like as if you were hit by invisible bullets is very cool.

  • 39 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    All this jonas bashing is harsh, he has been a real bloody servant to us since we went down, the whole team was shit last year, not jonas or anyone else’s fault pards quashes the creativity outta players

  • 40 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Yorkgeordie

    As a player you obviously play when the manager tells you to, but Jonas has let us down quite a bit. He basically stunts our offense and it’s a blend of his lack of ability and the inherent responsibilities he has within Pards’ tactics (such as covering the entire left hand side).

    IMO we have a bit of dynamism in our offense since we could convert Santon, use Guti as the occasional attacking fullback instead, and swap wings with Hatem or Santon depending on whether we want more crosses or wingers cutting inside.

    Marveaux isn’t the greatest but he’s miles ahead of Guti.

  • 41 dcro1 // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Southampton have announced the signing of Osvaldo from Roma for £15m. this on top of £13 for Wanyama.

    We’re being left behind.

  • 42 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    Debuchy is the weak link at the back. Cringeworthy if shola plays. Hes been pardews plan b but might now be his plan a. Wont be good viewing.

  • 43 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    I should say I really liked Jonas when he joined from Mallorca, he was a surprise package for me and could put in some stunning crosses, but now when he reaches the final third he’s out of ideas, and it’s been like that for a whole season now.

  • 44 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    Devon

    Ever since he’s signed Jonas hasn’t exactly been a creative force has he? He runs an awful lot I will give him that, but in terms of what he provides for the team, you have to say, not an awful lot.

    Time to replace attacking players who don’t score, assist, or cause opposition defenses any problems with those who do.

  • 45 KayZey78 // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    We should be playing with wingbacks. We got some of the best players for it in the premier league.

    But, we’ll conintue with the old 4-2-3-1… Which we had absolutely no success with last season.

  • 46 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    Jonas was out best player against braga.

  • 47 iain // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Anyone get the feeling, were “keeping our powder dry” for transfers until after Pardew has been judged on the first few performances of the season ?

  • 48 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie

    And HBA was pretty dreadful all pre-season. Does that mean we should be starting Jonas and dropping HBA?

  • 49 Fridge // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Yeah another game with Jonas slowing up the passing with 5 touches, releaseing the ball far to late. Making stupid passing atempts, dissapointing crosses. Hasnt got the pace to play on the wing. Just to run his heart out so pardew sees that he Makes an effort and dont sub him. Please prove me wrong. I want you to succeed and score a screamer!

  • 50 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    I’m nervous for Debuchy already :(

  • 51 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    iain

    doubt it man, last season pretty much showed what we were lacking. Remy will help a bit but he’s not permanent.

  • 52 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    Weve got a good squad. Get a top centre forward and lose shola and were set up. Which squads would the knockers swap ours for? The problem is the dunce of a manager.

  • 53 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    lol @ these ads on skysports

  • 54 breno95 // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    Krul

    debuchy colo yanga santon

    tiote sissoko

    hba cabaye gouffran

    cisse

  • 55 breno95 // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Soton sign osvaldo from roma.
    4yr deal.

  • 56 AmericanGeordie // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    I think our best formation is clearly the 4-2-3-1. (That’s one reason why I agree that we could improve the squad more with the acquisition of a high quality winger, rather than another striker.)

    Best attacking option:
    Krul
    Debuchy, Colo, M’Biwa, Santon
    Cabaye, Sissoko
    Marveaux, Ben Arfa, Remy
    Cisse

    Defensive line-up:
    Krul
    Debuchy, Colo, Taylor, M’Biwa
    Cabaye, Tiote
    Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Gouffran
    Cisse

    I would play that more defensive-minded team tomorrow at Man City.

  • 57 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    Soton sign Wanyama and Osvaldo

    Meanwhile…

    https://twitter.com/nufcfans/status/368874259994525696/photo/1

  • 58 Yorkgeordie // Aug 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    The trouble with Jonas is, he does as he is told, which is, spend a lot of time covering the fullback. I have no time for Marveaux

  • 59 ToonAndy // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    How much would Kolbeinn Sigþórsson cost ??

  • 60 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Ruddy – jonas is the perfect example of awful coaching! He WAS direct, pacey, had glue foot etc. All he needed to do was sort his erratic crossing. Basic coaching that like. Pardew ruiended him! I dont think he should start any more, but toon fans slating him should be ashamed! I cant think of many others giving there all week in week out for the shirt…

  • 61 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    Anita and Marveaux should be in the starting line up every week ahead of Tiote and Cabaye.

  • 62 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    Why is everyone getting so wound up by the prospect of Jonas starting???

    We all know that if he’s fit he’s gonna play and tbh against City we are gonna need him as he cover’s the left back, just hope we can cover Debuchy in the same way

  • 63 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    It really doesn’t matter if Jonas is working his @** off if there’s no end product. This isn’t a youth side or pub league he’s in….

  • 64 valle // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    I would go with this

    Krul
    Santon…Taylor…Colo…M’biwa
    Sissoko…Tiote
    Cabaye
    Ben Arfa…Gouffran
    Cisse

  • 65 bosamuelson // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Mine:
    Final position in league – 8th
    Number of points in league – 51
    League Cup round – rrd
    FA Cup round – Semi Finals
    Number of 1st team signings this season (currently 1 – Remy) – 6
    Number of 1st team leaving this season (currently 1 – Perch. Harper and Simpson left when contracts expired) – 2
    Top goal scorer – Remy
    Number of goals for top goal scorer – 21
    Month that AP is sacked (or not) – not
    New manager if AP is sacked – Clark

  • 66 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    @ York

    No time for Marveaux ? . You do know he got the most assists for us last season despite not playing very often and coming on from the bench most of the time.

    But hey, Jonas was brilliant covering our fullbacks when we have been demolished on numerous occasions under Pardew. Even us fans want players that work for the team because we are afraid of other teams FFS .

    If we actually went into a game with attacking intent the other team would not be able to have so many chances against us as they would have to be wary of our threat. Under Pardew we sit back (especially away from home) and invite pressure on ourselves for long periods of the game.

    I don’t care how good your defence is, If you play like that you are asking for a spanking. Is it any coincidence we get embarrassed by high scoring defeats under Pardew more so than any manager I can remember ?

  • 67 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    @ToonAndy

    ~4.5m looks like…
    http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/kolbeinn-sigthorsson/profil/spieler_52246.html

  • 68 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Cedric Mabwati from Betis is flying past Real Madrid’s defense right now lol

  • 69 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Anyone watchinh madrid? This little cedric chap looks decent for betis! Made ramos look slow…

  • 70 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    DevonToon

    He’s a very good young player, only 21 with pace that terrify’s defenders

  • 71 North Atlantic Magpie // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    I’m afraid Saylor will start ahead of Mapou which will be a big mistake.

  • 72 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Devon

    I slate him, and I am in no way ashamed. The least we should be expecting is that every player gives 100% for the shirt, so I am not going to praise a player for offering nothing more than effort, which is all that Jonas gives.

    Jonas isn’t an example of poor coaching, he’s an example of a player past his best who shouldn’t be selected any more.

    Really don’t think our best formation is 4-2-3-1, Cisse doesn’t hold the ball well enough for that to work. A 4-3-3 would work the best with the players we have at our disposal. If we brought in a striker who could hold the ball up better than Cisse then maybe 4-2-3-1 would work, in my opinion at least.

  • 73 toon kk // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    What an exciting thought a season of hoofball. Or well!!!!!

  • 74 drewcessford // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    People complain that Pardew picks favourites/names ahead of form? Yet now Jonas is in the squad everyone is kicking off? From what I saw of him in pre-season he was one of our better players – give the guy a break.

    Oh and Marveaux is NOT a winger, every time he plays out wide he disappears from the game, he plays in the hole of a 4-2-3-1 and offers nothing when we don’t have the ball. Much more of an impact player from the bench in my opinion.

  • 75 Dannyo // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    I hate this window. That is all.

  • 76 santonthenewmaldini // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    The reason why Jonas is gash is because he is not left footed!!!

    The only games last season he looked decent was when he was playing right wing which were Villa Away and Chelsea at Home and one other game that I cant remember who we played

    We should be finding a place in the team for Marveux and Anita but under Pardew it wont happen

  • 77 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    JB yea the guy is rapid like! Watch a lot of spanish footie on sky, he will one to keep an eye on.

  • 78 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    Dannyo

    Cheer up buttercup, we have January to look forward to as well :D

  • 79 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    Picks players based on form in competitive games. Unless Jonas ripped the opposition a new one and scored in every game and set up a few goals I think we can safely say he should not be starting.

    HBA was pretty poor in pre-season but I would pick him before Jonas every day of the week and twice on Sundays, so until Jonas becomes the best player on the park week in week out in competitive matches, he should be on the bench.

  • 80 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    drewcessford

    That is exactly the problem. Jonas’ starting spot has been safe regardless of his form or contribution. And now that he finally made a few runs down the left vs. Braga (like a winger is supposed to do) his position is all the more justified in the eyes of some supporters and Pardew.

    You guys have set the bar for him soooooo low.

  • 81 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    bosamuelson

    What round is that in the League Cup mate? rrd?

  • 82 drewcessford // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    I am not making a case for Jonas to start every game. I’m just saying it’s unfair that he is 95% of people’s scapegoat whenever we play poorly.

    Away against Man City with Navas running at Santon and the likes of Silva etc threading balls in behind? We need Jonas, either that or a left back who knows what positioning is.

  • 83 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    TDS

    Surely that would be 3rd? No other number has “rd” following it…

  • 84 cbtoon82 // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    I’m dreading the game tmrw. I hope Pardew has sorted the tactics out. Didn’t look much like it in pre season. If we play quick attacking football and get hammered I’d be alright with that. But if we sit back like we did all last season then Pardew has got to go!

    As for transfers, I sont understand why Ashley is letting teams like Southampton and Swansea overtake us in terms of spending and more importantly ambition.

    Just my opinion but I would love to see Defoe, ince and either Moses or Sinclair come in. Obviously that isn’t going to happen. But I think those players are exactly what we need.

  • 85 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Anyone else care to put their views on record? Got 7 people so far:
    Final position in league
    Number of points in league
    League Cup round
    FA Cup round
    Number of 1st team signings this season (currently 1 – Remy)
    Number of 1st team leaving this season (currently 1 – Perch. Harper and Simpson left when contracts expired)
    Top goal scorer
    Number of goals for top goal scorer
    Month that AP is sacked (or not)
    New manager if AP is sacked

  • 86 breno95 // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Question that will be answered against city is will pardew get them playing 2 touch pass n move football?
    If its the same static long ball tactics then we are going to struggle big time. Can only hope he has learnt some lessons and is capable of change.
    Probably too much to hope for but stranger things have happened.
    Lets hope he watched barca tonight 7-0 scoreline tonight.

  • 87 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    It is no longer justifiable to say that because our LB is poor we need Jonas! If that is the case then how about we start discussing how poor our LB is defensively?

    Santon has been shocking defensively, so instead of plugging the holes he leaves with a mediocre defensive winger, how about we play someone at LB who is capable of defending? Revolutionary I know!

  • 88 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    Jonas is hardly the sole recipient of criticism after a loss. But his minimal influence on the match week in and week out is a huge shackle on our offense. It’s another reason Cisse has had crumbs to work with.

    And the fact we need our winger do cover for our LB, while semi-true, is just proof of the design flaw in our tactics. At the very least swap Jonas and Santon and we would be better off since Guti can at least defend better than Santon.

  • 89 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    Ruddy

    Sounds like a fair point…except he could have means 4rd as in 4th round :-)

  • 90 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    Ruddy – I tend to agree with most ur comments, but you are so wide of the mark regarding jonas its unreal. Go dig some stats out and come back to admit your wrong, when the wat I said is proved correct

  • 91 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    TDS

    I’ll let you off with that one, as that is semi-plausible. Not incredibly plausible but you’re thinking on your feet haha

  • 92 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    Santon is only young and admittedly has a lot to learn but let’s give him a chance. Sure, it’s a problem when we end up putting a defensively minded winger on the left to cover him but it’s not a disaster. Hopefully he’ll get pushed by MYM, Haidara and Dummett this season, although I’d much rather MYM is actually playing well enough to partner Colo and keep Saylor out.

  • 93 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    Final position in league – 11th
    Number of points in league – 43
    League Cup round – Depends on when we play Brighton
    FA Cup round – See above
    Number of 1st team signings this season – 1 more
    Number of 1st team leaving this season – possibly Shola if we sign another striker
    Top goal scorer – Cisse
    Number of goals for top goal scorer – 14
    Month that AP is sacked – November (though if it’s sooner the above prediction go out the window)
    New manager if AP is sacked – Poyet or Cubishley

  • 94 drewcessford // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    I am all for replacing Jonas, however at this point in time we don’t have anyone better.

  • 95 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    I seem to remember Gary Neville, Le Saux, Ashley Cole and many other full backs were slated for their defensive qualities early in their careers. They didn’t do so badly in the end…

  • 96 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    Do not mix kentucky fried chicken with beer. Produces a repulsive reek.

  • 97 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    “League Cup round – Depends on when we play Brighton”
    “FA Cup round – See above”
    yup, lol

  • 98 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    TDS

    I agree he’s very young still, but using Jonas as a defensive crutch isn’t the best for a young wingback still learning the top flight game IMO.

    drewcessford

    Gouffran could do better.

  • 99 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    Devon

    Jonas has never provided goals or assists, just a lot of running and hard work. I don’t need to look up the stats because I know Jonas’ stats corroborate what I am saying but for what it’s worth:

    Stats in the League:

    In the 2008/09 season he played 30 games, 0 goals
    In 2009/10 season (in the Championship) he played 37 games, 4 goals,
    In 2010/11 season (where Pardew joined in December) he played 36 games, 3 goals.

    In his entire time at Newcastle United, which is now 5 years, he has played 175 games in the league with 10 goals.

    Not exactly riveting attacking stuff. Even before Pardew arrived at the club, he was offering little going forward.

  • 100 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    Final position in league – 9th
    Number of points in league – 52pts
    League Cup round – 5
    FA Cup round – 6
    Number of 1st team signings this season (currently 1 – Remy) 3 in total
    Number of 1st team leaving this season (currently 1 – Perch. Harper and Simpson left when contracts expired) maybe two more sales
    Top goal scorer – Super Pap
    Number of goals for top goal scorer – 22
    Month that AP is sacked (or not) Not :-(
    New manager if AP is sacked – dunno

  • 101 cbtoon82 // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Final position in league – 10th
    Number of points in league – 47
    League Cup round – 3rd
    FA Cup round – Quarter finals
    Number of 1st team signings this season – 1 more after remy, 2 or 3 if cabaye goes
    Number of 1st team leaving this season – 2 Shola and cabaye.
    Top goal scorer – Remy
    Number of goals for top goal scorer – 15
    Month that AP is sacked – he won’t be, but I hope it’s October/November
    New manager if AP is sacked – too scared to even think about it…

  • 102 Jamesthefirst // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Saylor will play because it allows Pardew to play his only “tactic” – hoof the ball up to Saylor on the edge of the box for free kicks for knock downs. That is his only set piece tactic. Used to be Williamson, now Saylor.

  • 103 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    So far we have 3 people predicting 8th place (including me), 3 people finishing 11th/12th and 2 predicting relegation or close.

    Interesting…I’ll be keeping this and bringing it up again at the end of the season!

  • 104 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    TDS

    Neville, Le Saux, and Cole had top managers overseeing their development though.

  • 105 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    I dont need those stats… I know hes not productive.. iv found this to corroborate what im saying
    http://www.eplindex.com/19467/transformation-jonas-gutierrez-stats-analysis.html

  • 106 Jamesthefirst // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Final position in league – 8th
    Number of points in league – 56pts
    League Cup round – 5
    FA Cup round – 4
    Number of 1st team signings this season (currently 1 – Remy) 2 in total
    Number of 1st team leaving this season (currently 1 – Perch. Harper and Simpson left when contracts expired) – no one else will be leaving until January.
    Top goal scorer – Cisse
    Number of goals for top goal scorer – 18
    Month that AP is sacked (or not) – will never be sacked
    New manager if AP is sacked – Poyet

  • 107 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    TDS – I say 10th

  • 108 breno95 // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    Predictions
    1st
    PL points record
    winners
    winners
    5 new senior signings (2 weeks left)
    5 out
    Matri with 20 goals
    pardew will get an extension
    if sacked MA will appoint Gazza and jimmy 5 bellies as DOF

    dont know what all you lot are moaning about!!!

  • 109 drewcessford // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    Just play three centre backs, using Debuchy and Santon as proper old school wing-backs considering they are both tactically inept and better going forward. Then three across the middle. Cisse up front and Ben Arfa doing his own thing behind the striker.

  • 110 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    I’ve said we’ll finish 11th but I honestly believe that a better manager with the squad as it stand today could take us to 7th.

    Our transfer policy though frustrating as hell does give us quality players (just wish we could get 1 or 2 more in this next week or so)

  • 111 scout // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Please don’t sit back against these, it’ll be double figures.

  • 112 Jamesthefirst // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    What people with negative thoughts need to remember, that unlike last season chaotic fixture schedule, most weeks we will have a whole week to prepare for a game. A week makes a big difference. We will be much stronger than last year because of it.

  • 113 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Final position in league – 8th
    Number of points in league – 58pts
    League Cup round – 3
    FA Cup round – Semi
    Number of 1st team signings this season – 2 (incl. Remy)
    Number of 1st team leaving this season – 5 (Perch, Simpson, Harper, Gosling, Obertan)
    Top goal scorer – Papiss Cisse
    Number of goals for top goal scorer – 18
    Month that AP is sacked – October
    New manager if AP is sacked – Wenger

  • 114 toon kk // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    TDS
    Final position. ..13th
    Number of points. ..45 ish
    League cup…..3rd
    FA….. …. .3rd
    Number of 1st team 3
    Number out….3
    Top goal scorer Remy
    Number of goals ….11
    Pardew won’t be sacked
    New manager JK

  • 115 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    breno95

    I’m guessing you’ve been on the sauce today then!

  • 116 scout // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Poyet would set them up to win pardew sets teams up to struggle. He’s easier to read than the beano

  • 117 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Devon

    What exactly are you saying? We shouldn’t criticise him because he tackles a lot, runs around and provides nothing offensively? Is that why I should be ashamed?

    Are you also aware that your article was written a year ago? before the worst season Jonas has ever had for us?

  • 118 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    Jamesthefirst

    We will only be stronger if Pardew gets his tactics and selections right, we can have all the time in the world to prepare but if that preparation is wrong it counts for nothing, ie Jonas comments about last season training sessions

  • 119 Jamesthefirst // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    According to reports in France we have agreed a fee for Thauvin. No idea what the fee is, or if he will come here. Because we tried to sign him before and he chose another club (but so did Remy).

    Number of french media reports saying we are in talks with his agent about the move.

  • 120 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    :lol: breno

  • 121 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    Beattie

    Surprisingly optimistic assessment…are you being ironic?

  • 122 scout // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    Predictions for FA cup 3rd round
    Brighton away (again)

  • 123 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    Thauvin? Not bad.

    I’ve at least been impressed with the players we’re linked to, but the dealings not as much

  • 124 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    I’d be godsmacked if we signed Thauvin, in a good way obviously, but to me it sounds like Sunday journalism.

  • 125 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    Ruddy

    Please do check Le Saux’s manager at Chelsea before making that statement…

    I know you don’t think much of Pardew, but I reckon some of our top players would have demanded to leave by now if he was that bad.

  • 126 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    Ruddy

    No, I actually believe it could happen.

    Wenger gets sacked in September. Pardew gets sacked October, Wenger comes in and plays the players in their correct positions and transforms us Janusry onwards into a top 8 team.

    This does heavily rely on a new owner coming in.

  • 127 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    All im saying ruddy, is jonas had everything except delivery in his game, final ball and delivery can be coached eg lennon and Walcott. Instead jonas has been manipulated into this defence minded player. I personally think we would see a better jonas if we had a left footed Lb.. I do miss the enrique/jonas wing combo. BUT I Do think its time to faze him out the stating line up, pards has ruined him.

  • 128 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    Down Sarf

    Opposed to the players openly criticising tactics and training sessions?

  • 129 Tommyy // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    At some point this season we’re going to have to use Gouffran ahead of Jonas and Marveux ahead of Tiote and go at a team. We’ve absolutely got to.

  • 130 scout // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    Krul
    Debs Colo Yanga santon
    Benny Anita sissoko marv
    Cabaye
    Cisse

  • 131 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    TDS

    Well maybe not Le Saux, but the other two the point still stands.

  • 132 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    I want us to bid for Willian.

    Our performances over the last few years in cups has been atrocious. We did ok in the europa cup and was unlucky not to get though against Benfica.

  • 133 Jamesthefirst // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    Obviously the Thauvin rumours could just be French sunday papers, or his agent trying to get a move to someone else. Or us trying to push the Gomis bid through, who knows.

    Personally I would spend £15-18 million and sign Ross Barkley. Going to be a superstar and far superior to anyone we have been linked to.

  • 134 scout // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    If wenger comes in as manager ill dance the funky chicken round pennywell

  • 135 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    JackButler

    I know what you mean. I reckon we’ll get 8th to be honest, but if only we could clone SBR, I reckon we’d push the top 6! I still think Pardew is about the same level as the squad and club at the moment though. I’ll hold judgement on which can become top 6 quality first, but I’d like to think it could be all 3…

  • 136 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Devon

    He never really had a final ball, in the final third was always where Jonas has failed, we can criticise Pardew for a number of things, Jonas’ failings is not one of them. I feel you’re portraying him as some sort of world beater which never was the case, and Jonas’ offensive failings are as much to do with our defensively poor LB.

  • 137 Burni // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Loads have said before. Same manager, same team. 4-0 cite. Easy

  • 138 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    We attacked 2 teams away from home last season. One we attacked for 90 minutes, the other for 70.

    We lost 4-3 at old Trafford and were desperately unlucky and lost 7-3 at highbury after Pardew infamously said “no more goals” shortly after our equaliser.

    We have the talent and ability to push City tomorrow.

    Where we fall short is in the managerial department.

    £100 million of investment isn’t the biggest gulf between the teams.

    The right tactics, formation and motivation can make that £100 million seem like a 50 p difference.

    I

  • 139 Toon Tang // Aug 18, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    are we going to be majority defending tomorrow night??

  • 140 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Beattie25

    You’re the most optimistic so far! Maybe apart from Sydney Toon who tipped us to win the League Cup…

  • 141 breno95 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    TDS
    just trying to lighten the mood of total doom n gloom.
    We have a full squad barring remy to pick a team from, 2 weeks of the window left and after tomorrow (which in all honesty we are not going to win) we have 2 home games on the bounce.
    If its all tits up by end of November, the footie is the same as last season and pardews feeding us with excuses then the moaning can start in full but haway a ball has yet to be kicked yet so a bit if cheer please lads.

  • 142 niafron // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Bonsoir messieurs.

    Still have problem with this Thauvin story…

    And for Tomorow, hope Mbiwa will play center back.

  • 143 Burni // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Probably tang and we can’t defend for toffee

  • 144 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Thats where we disagree, this squad is very strong and only needs to be played in the right way, players in the right position, tactics and formations that suit them and for us to play with hight intensity and desire.

    Pardew always has us on the back foot despite what he keeps saying and we have become very slow and predictable in our play

  • 145 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    Pardew is so far beneath the quality of this club and its players that it is an embarrassment. With a proper manager, with the same crop of players we would really see on field improvement.

    Without this @rse of an owner, we wouldn’t have dogsbodies being hired to be his puppet, we’d have a proper manager, with a proper DOF working in tandem for the benefit of the club. We do not have this in place at NUFC, this will not change until Ashley sells up.

  • 146 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    Gutierrez is 30 and still can’t cross a ball well with either foot. Unforgivable for a PL footballer IMO.

  • 147 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    Beattie25

    Yeah, but they did that in a really positive way rather than saying it to engineer a move. It was very cleverly done so Pardew had acknowledged the problem and already addressed it.

  • 148 OhSholaAmeobi // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    if i’m honest i’d rather have had one of dummett/haidara/willo/bigi/gosling/vuckic/sammy on the bench than obertan. i’d even have joe kinnear on before him. because you can guarantee he’ll bring him on for ben arfa if we’re still level in the second half.

    but…really looking forward to this game and hopefully we’ll attack it (by playing gouffran from the start in jonas place!) and not just surrender. i won’t be bothered if we get beat 1/2-0 if we’ve had a go.

  • 149 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Down Sarf

    I am often branded negative but hold out massive hope for the future.

    If Wenger is forced out we would, I believe, be a really good choice for him.

  • 150 scout // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    On paper we lose heavy, tomorrow’s game is on grass

  • 151 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    breno95

    I’m with you. It’s quite simple in my mind really…either we are in the top 10 and Pardew has done a decent enough job or we’re bottom half and Pardew gets sacked. I’d prefer the former rather than wasting another season, but if Pardew has to leave for things to get better then so be it.

  • 152 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    Yes im aware ruddy lad, but it has stats to back up my bad coaching argument. Yes but the whole team was shite last year… why does jonas deserve more criticism than the rest of our inept team

  • 153 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Beattie

    I’m optimistic for our future, but that optimism is unfounded while Mike Ashley remains as owner.

  • 154 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    @Ruddy @Beattie

    Right lads I’ve been a fan for 38 years so can one of you please explain what optimism means???

  • 155 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    JackButler

    Players, coaches, owners and managers can all learn though. We’re not one of those clubs who can hire the finished article when it comes to a manager, we’re simply not going to attract a manager that the CL clubs can. But I just really hope that everyone has learned from last season. If they haven’t, then we need to make some more changes for sure.

    They have assembled a squad to play attacking football along the ground, not hoof ball. If we wanted to play like Stoke then we could have done it a lot cheaper! Hopefully they will play properly this season.

  • 156 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    I swear if we had a better manager I’d be much more hopeful, positive and acceptant of Mike Ashley.

    Despite their investment I reckon about 8-12 teams in the PL would die to have our team and under a tactically astute, forward thinking, win at all costs manager we!d all be united in thinking this team could easily push top 8 and potentially win a cup.

    If we had Wenger I’d forgive the lack of signings knowing that he’d still be able to get us to a higher finish than many other managers. We have Pardew so the lack of signings is unforgivable.

    Lets have it right, Pardew needs all the help, investment and excuses he can get.

  • 157 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    Ruddy

    Same thing again…can’t you just give it a few months and see how things go? If we end up finishing 7th or 8th and push the top 6 will you change your mind?

  • 158 bzak12 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    Predictions
    Final position 15th
    points 43
    League cup Beaten by Morecambe
    FA cup 6th round (Pardew gone by then)
    Signings 1 more on loan Demba Ba
    Leaving 1 Cisse Jan window (Huff)
    Top scorer Remy 12 goals
    Pardew sacked after 4th straight defeat h v Fulham
    New manager Gus Poyet come in Sept pulls things around plays decent football.

  • 159 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Devon

    Tiote was pants, Taylor was headless, Cabaye wasn’t at the races, Shola was his usual self, Cisse wasn’t his clinical self, Ben Arfa was injured, Marv couldn’t get a game, same goes for Anita, Debuchy struggled to settle in, M’biwa was probably our best player and he joined in January.

    Jonas was horrific, what compounded this, was the fact he always played. My anger at Jonas has as much to do with Pardew playing him all the time regardless of how bad he was.

  • 160 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Beattie25

    That would be awesome. And you’ll definitely win a lot of points if that prediction comes true!

    I hold out massive hope for the future too. I just hope that Ashley, Pardew and JFK have learned from their mistakes

  • 161 spudzzz // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    the more time goes by the more people on this blog seem to have no idea about what makes a football team….to sum it up..it seems most on here would select…. 1 colo type player , 8 hba type players and 1 cisse type player…seriously some of you have no clue what your talking about…… :/ king kev day are long gone….football has moved on…more technical..tactical… and so much faster than 20 years ago than a lot of you seem to grasp…. Sorry for the rant but i just despair more and more at some of the analisys on here not to mention the vitriol

  • 162 niafron // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    The Real play in 4 3 3 with both Modric and Isco in midfield…

    Very interesting.

  • 163 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Wenger comes to Newcastle? God I hope so.

    Don’t exactly have my finger on Arsenal’s pulse but it seems their problems are more about investment than managerial tactics isn’t it? That can be solved a little easier.

  • 164 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    I understand what you are saying but in his 14 years as a manager Pardew hasn’t leaned a great deal and last year reverted to type, the type being that he was out of his depth and Ashley is continuing to make the same mistake he’s made since he bought us.

    No we will not atract a Champions League manager, but there are far better options out there who could take us to the next level

  • 165 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Um.. I can see why people get frustrated with u ruddy, I know he never really had a delivery, but had a lot of other things going for him.. so instead of coaching him like he did as that article proves, why not coach him to deliver a decent ball? Its all piss under the bridge anyway now, as the poor lad has already been pardewed.

  • 166 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    JB

    Haha very droll, but sadly I understand your cynicism. Lifelong Newcastle fans have probably been optimistic ever since 1969, believing that it will always get better, and at certain times it seemed very bleak, at other times it seemed fantastic, but now it is such that apathy has bred among a lot of NUFC fans, which is sad. Be deliriously optimistic, or passionately pessimistic, apathy is the true death of a fan’s support.

    TDS

    I would. But we won’t.

  • 167 check the toastie // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Last competitive game Man City played they lost to a relegated side. Not only lost but outplayed by Wigan in the FA Cup final. It can be done if the manager truly believes in his team and his own ability. Ours doesn’t so we will be spanked.

    Would play Ben10 down the Right, he always gets f#ck all off Clichy. Got a horrible feeling Shola will play and Cisse will be wide right of 3 up top.

    My Side .
    …………………….Krul…………………….
    Debuchy…Collo…Saylor..Mbiwa….
    ………..Cabaye,,Anita…Santon…….
    ……Sissoko……Cisse……Ben10…….

  • 168 Tommyy // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    We’ve all said it before, we’d be far more effective with Jonas at left back and Santon at LW. I don’t understand why they haven’t tried it. Santon has the ability to be a winger and he also knows the defensive aspect.

  • 169 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    Ay naifron, not really working for them.. to many players out of position imo

  • 170 check the toastie // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    Ben10 down the left I meant. Plus we would be stronger down that side defensively with Mbiwa and Santon covering, loads of pace and plenty of quality in my superb team.

  • 171 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    Ruddy

    Can you at least stop complaining about Pardew until November? :-)

    I’ll join you in demanding his head if we’re doing terribly and not looking like top 10 at least!

  • 172 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    Devon

    You can see why people get annoyed with me? Because they cannot coherently explain their point of view or acknowledge my response and as such feel the need to resort to making it personal?

    The article you posted proved that he was never adept at crossing a ball, he’d been at the club 2 1/2 years before Pardew even signed for the club. Why was it not Hughton’s fault for not teaching him to cross a ball? The only thing that Jonas ever had going for him was work rate, and a good link up play with Enrique. Enrique is no longer at the club, and Jonas hasn’t the legs to work as hard any more, so why is my criticism of him unjustified?

  • 173 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    JB

    Optimism to me is a belief that things will get better under the right circumstances

    Positivity is believing things are good as they are and don’t need changing.

    Negativity is thinking things are bad and will never get better.

    But the reality is the club is a joke and things won’t change unless we get lucky or we change them ourselves for once.

  • 174 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    TDS

    My beef isn’t even with Pardew, I’m merely commenting on how a better manager would have us playing better stuff, more observation than criticism. My main angst is with Ashley.

    I’m never going to call for Pardew’s head, not while Ashley is in charge as I am afraid of who he would appoint in his place. The devil you know is better than the devil you don’t.

  • 175 niafron // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    Lads, we play tomorow.

    No one is a little bit excited?

    Well, anyway, you don’t look like an army in order of battle…

  • 176 stan anderson // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    I fully expect Breno 95,s predictions to come true.Love it man.

  • 177 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    JackButler

    I don’t agree that there are far better managers out there. Many managers that people bandy around are either from a foreign league or from the Championship. Others are just ridiculous.

    There was a guy who went from Spain to Italy and it was clear he wanted to be with a team that was on the verge of the CL places (not us), Poyet was linked and he’s totally unproven and then there were names like Benitez bandied around…who would not come to us unless there was a huge transfer budget!

    I’m all for improvement but Pardew has earned one more shot at this from MA and I think he has earned that with his 5th place and his man management skills. Give him until November.

  • 178 breno95 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    Ruddy
    when i was objecting to sholas presence not just in the 1st team but still being at the club you were very forthright in your view that i was bang out of order for expressing my very critical view of shola and you abused anyone who was having a go at current players.
    Whats changed then as poor jonas has been getting both barrels from you for ages now and he still wearing the shirt?
    As someone else posted its a team game and most were bloody shite last year.
    A balls yet to be kicked so lets see how things are by november but reality is that all the moaning on here wont influence anything at the club.
    TDS – had a rethink but am sticking with my earlier predictions. Got to have 1 optimist amongst us.

  • 179 niafron // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    @Devon toon

    Just a begining, anyway, it’s interesting to see them try this.

    Ancelotti isn’t the kind of coach who give up easily about tactic.

    They will probably play like that for a while even without success.

  • 180 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Niafron

    If we had a competent general leading us to battle I would relish the chances of victory.

    But I feel tomorrow we will fight a war like school girls against lions.

  • 181 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Im not making it personal, but ur pretty frustrating. Yes I agree I could argue why Houghton didnt coach him better, but im not because im arguing that pardew has transformed him from a semi useful player into the lad we watch today. It WAS pardew who ruined him, the facts back that up…

  • 182 89Norcal // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Depending on the nature of the inevitable loss tomorrow, Pardew could be in it pretty deep.

    If we get hammered 5-0 or something like that he could be in trouble. But hopefully we see that opening day zest we saw from Villa and WHU

  • 183 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    TDS

    Rene Girard said he wanted to manage in England, Rudi Garcia also would have been a great shout.

    Both managers are much better than Pardew.

  • 184 Tommyy // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Niafron – Let’s hope we come out like the 300 Spartans vs an almighty Persian empire. Rather than the Romans at the battle of Cannae.

  • 185 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Ruddy

    I think everyone would rather have Pardew than JFK! Apart from JFK himself who is probably gutted he didn’t get the Man Utd job…

    I agree that a better manager would have us playing better football, and even a worse manager could have us playing better football. But I don’t think it’s a decision that should be taking lightly to get rid of a manager who got us to 5th place the season before and clearly has the support of the players. If there was a Geordie legend like SBR waiting in the wings to take over as his swansong then I’d drive up to pick Pardew up and drive him back to London myself! But, I’m not convinced by the alternatives people mention and there’s nothing near a consensus from fans on the possibilities.

  • 186 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    Ruddy im just gunna player a quick game of fifa so ul get a response in 15 if u decide to reply

  • 187 valle // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    Wenger plays his players out of position as much as AP does. Arsharvin was never used in his correct role and he currently plays Podolski on the wing and so on. Some of his buys are also kinda weird and I think he is as much to blame about the lack of signings as anyone at arsenal.

    Regarding Thauvin… Dosnt he play in the same role as HBA? I dont know much about him, but it seems so.

  • 188 Tommyy // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    The problem with getting hammered tomorrow night is the real issue of confidence for he next two winnable games that we need in order to get a run going.
    If we get a smashing I can see the players and the fans suddenly feeling the pressure of last season and worrying that they haven’t improved, therefore we start our downward spiral immediately and write off another season by November and cement Cabaye’s move away in Jan.

  • 189 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    Devon

    He is as offensively useful now as he was 5 years ago, the only difference being that he was fit to run more a few years ago, and had Enrique to link up with.

    I would question the use of the word fact, as nothing you have offered in this debate even remotely resembles a fact. You’ve linked me into one article that gives a numerical discussion of his tackling and interceptions, how is that in any way a factual discussion of how Pardew has coached his offensive ability out of him?

  • 190 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Ok breno95, I’ve recorded your predictions! My prediction is that you’ll come last…but I’ll happily buy you a pint if you’re any better than that!

  • 191 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Down Sarf

    My opinion (and it is only an opinion) is that Pardew works well with new teams and new players coming into the teams whom have been coached by other managers and still bring those traits into their game.

    As soon as Pardew has had a season with them they go backwards.

    He hasn’t improved one player since he’s been here and the same can be said at his other clubs.

    If you mention Perch ill forgive you but I will answer that in time with multiple reasons as to why Perch never improved under Pardew.

    Every player has either stagnated at a level they reached 2 years ago or have receded to poorer men than they were.

  • 192 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Strange how Swansea found Brendon Rodgers, Marinez and Laudrup, Everton found Moyes. Then there’s Rudi Garcia who just left Lille for Roma or even Fred Rutten at Vietesse who has one of the highest win percentages around.

    Now all of these would come with an element of risk but sticking with Pardew also comes with an element of risk but everything depends on the level of ambition from Ashley and before anyone starts thwoing around the issue of finances, none of the above have attained their success through massive spending, it’s come through good coaching, good tactics and simply being very good at their job

  • 193 bills-son // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    If we play a back four of Debuchy, Staylor/Mbiwa, Colo, Santon with a 5 man midfield and Cisse up top I could see us conceding 4-6 tomorrow.

    The most fearful I have been about an opening fixture in years.

  • 194 Bearsize // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    Final position in league – 13th
    Number of points in league – 44
    League Cup round – 3
    FA Cup round – 3
    Number of 1st team signings this season – 1 (remy)
    Number of 1st team leaving this season – 6 (Cabaye, perch, Simpson, Harper, Gosling, Obertan)
    Top goal scorer – Papiss Cisse
    Number of goals for top goal scorer – 11
    Month that AP is sacked – february after fans stampead the gates
    New manager if AP is sacked – JFK

  • 195 Tommyy // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:31 PM

    In the words of the Mighty Boosh, Jonas knows nothing of the crunch and has never been able to provide any cutting edge, as is proven by his woeful assist and goal record for a winger. He has always ran his socks off but never really achieved anything, and with age he’s just dropped further and further back down the pitch.

  • 196 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    TDS

    Claiming that there are no other managers around who would represent better than what we already have has to be considered as very short sighted.

    There was a huge element of risk sacking Hughton, and in the long run it would seem that Hughton has proved the doubters wrong. He may never get Norwich 5th, but I predict a pretty good season for them i.e top half, and if he finishes above us for two seasons running then surely it must be said that the gamble of sacking Hughton did not pay off.

  • 197 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    Ruddy

    Garcia is the guy I mentioned earlier but couldn’t remember his name. He moved to Roma who are on the verge of the CL places. He had a very good record with Lille but why would he leave CL football for a club with very little chance of playing CL in the next 2 or 3 years?

    Rene Girard is a good shout though. Just read his quotes and we could have had a go at getting him. I wonder if he was considered when Pardew’s position was reviewed…he did sign on with Lille on 14th June though which was probably a bit soon unless Ashley had already made the decision to sack Pardew. I think he wanted a more measured review of his performance before he decided.

  • 198 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    TDS

    Re-reading your comment, are we to infer that you know there are better managers out there who would take this job but that it’s simply too risky to appoint them?!?

    What!?

  • 199 Tommyy // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    When we see the ultra defensive line up with players out of position we’ll all groan and proceed to watch a game of football where we hold out for 20 minutes and then run out of ideas and get pummeled. We all know it unfortuanely.

  • 200 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    The draw of managing a squad like ours infront of 52,000 week in week out would be something that not many managers would be able to turn down, we are a far bigger draw than you are giving us credit for

  • 201 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    Beattie25

    There are several players (especially at Southampton) who are thankful and compliment Pardew on his coaching. Didn’t Lambert thank him again recently?

    I also think Santon has come along since he joined us.

    I’m approaching this with the view that last season was a blip due to injuries and loss of form to key players. I’m being optimistic because I know Pardew isn’t going to be sacked before the beginning of the season and I want us to do well. I think we have the squad for it.

    So…either we’ll do well and Pardew will prove the doubters wrong, or we’ll start badly and hopefully he’s sacked before the end of the year.

  • 202 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    TDS

    Using that logic, why would Osvaldo leave Roma for Southampton? why did Cabaye and Debuchy leave Lille for Newcastle? why did Wanyama leave Celtic for Southampton? Why did Hooper leave Celtic for Norwich? Same goes for Van Wolfswinkle, Fer, and many other players who have left clubs in the CL to sign for PL clubs. They leave because they want to play in the PL as they see it is a higher standard, the same logic applies for managers.

    Girard, and Benitez in my opinion were available for discussions, but we decided to stick with Pardew.

  • 203 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    JackButler

    Yeah, they all come with risk and we know that MA is risk averse. As I wrote in my last post, I think Pardew has to be given a few months. If he screws up again then he needs to go and then we can all start speculating on who the best man for the job is. I bet it will be hard to find a consensus!

  • 204 tomjlaws // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    Any1 know where the takeover rumours are coming from???

  • 205 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Let’s not be optimistic for optimism’s sake, that way you become blinkered and neglect logic.

    There is no harm in wanting the team and manager to do well, despite my comments, I would love nothing more than for Pardew to succeed, as it means our club succeeds, however, the facts tend to point towards the fact that this will not be the case.

    Let’s be optimistic, but realistic too.

  • 206 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Taking us to the brink of relegation has earned him the right to be sacked

  • 207 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    I honestly believe that a lot of people are scared to change things in case they get worse.

    If you don’t change things and take that risk how can things get better?

  • 208 breno95 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    TDS
    good man. Pint it is then.
    Cheers

  • 209 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    Ruddy

    It’s very difficult to judge a “better manager” who is managing in a different league. I’m saying there are managers out there who play better football for sure, but that doesn’t necessarily guarantee better results.

  • 210 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    TDS

    It doesn’t matter if we achieve consensus as a fanbase as to who would be the best manager for our club, as you can never please all of the people all of the time.

    By the way, Pardew will be in charge at the end of the season if we finish 14th in my opinion.

  • 211 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    Ruddy

    As for Hughton, I think there were personality reasons behind that and Ashley clearly didn’t think Hughton would fit in with his long term plans.

    I agree though. If Norwich finish higher than that decision proves flawed.

  • 212 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    Beattie25

    Exactly, I simply do not understand the logic of being afraid to replace Pardew for fear of who will replace him

  • 213 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    TDS

    A style of play is one factor in deciding a better manager, their transfer business, man management, ability to coach under pressure, their media presence.

    Good coaches can succeed in any league. AVB would have flourished at Chelsea had he been backed, he only had experience in the Portuguese league, which seems to be regarded very badly, but now he is considered one of the best managers in the league.

    Arsene Wenger managed in Ligue 1 before signing for Arsenal, Fergie managed in the SPL before Man United, Moyes managed in Division Two before signing for Everton.

    Cream rises to the top, sometimes you need to take the plunge.

  • 214 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    Ruddy, hba pretty dreadful preseason you say. Any player pretty dreadful should be dropped. However, hba was a top man v braga so i dont follow the relevance to jonas who was decent.

  • 215 t00ntime // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    Just wondering AP said he wanted bpl experience right?
    With bent gone to fulham does that mean MA/JK will ignore what he wants and just get a random ST? Or do you think we will try (and knowing us fail) to get a bpl proven ST?

    On that note, cant believe no one has tried to sign Ba or Hernandez, being wasted by their clubs and are both great scorers :S

  • 216 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    TDS

    “Personality differences” could be translated to – “wouldn’t say the bullsh*t that Mike Ashley told him to peddle to the media.”

  • 217 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    JackButler

    You could say the same thing about the players…yet they generally prefer joining CL clubs too, although obviously not always. You can put most of the clubs in the major leagues that have been in the CL over the last 3 years as being a more attractive prospect to a manager than us sadly.

    A manager’s CV doesn’t look better because he guided a club with a 52,000 average attendance to 8th place, it looks better because he guided a club with even a 30,000 average attendance to a CL spot.

  • 218 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    Santon was expected to be the next maldini.

    Under Pardew he’d be lucky to be the next Pistone.

    Lambert is hardly world class and played for Pardew for one season. Before that he was a prolific scorer in league 1. I’m sure he won’t be thanking Alan Pardew for his England cap any time soon.

    It doesn’t matter who compliments him, it’s the ability he brings out in footballers that matters, an area in which during 14 years of management, hundreds and hundreds of players he has coached and the various clubs in which he has been the boss he has fallen woefully short.

  • 219 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Blackley

    I watched the Braga game, I don’t think anyone could be described as being the “top man”, watching the grass growing would have been more entertaining.

    HBA has had a poor pre-season, but still should be considered as the first name on the team sheet on sheer ability, whereas Jonas shouldn’t be considered on the back of a couple of decent pre-season displays because there are better players than him in our squad.

  • 220 devineyates // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Marveux has to start even if its for cabaye he’s the only that knows how to find cisse call me crazy but I think marvs is our modric

  • 221 Thump // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    @JackButler: In all fairness, I can only think of one manager who might improve us and I don’t fancy him much (Gus Poyet). There seems to be something about this club that just stops us from being successful. I honestly think you could get Fergie in as manager and we’d still fall at a semi final.

  • 222 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    TDS

    Again, your logic could also be applied to players, in a different sense. It surely looks better for a player to be playing regularly in the CL than to be finishing mid table in the PL?

  • 223 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Ruddy

    I 100% disagree with Benitez. I don’t believe for a minute that he would have been open to join us with our budgets. His history and his demands don’t suggest that either. As for Girard, I agree with you there but it looks like he made his decision a little too early for MA.

    As for the players, for many of them it’s simple…money! Either the club gets offered a huge transfer fee and/or the player gets offered a huge wage. For the others, it’s a stepping stone to CL football in a bigger league. Clearly Cabaye’s plan will be to join the likes of Arsenal or Man Utd (or PSG now) and get paid huge money. He’s going to get a lot more coverage now than he did at Lille and he’s also got that experience of playing in the PL to make him more attractive to the English CL clubs.

  • 224 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    Playing better football is a better way of ensuring more positive results though.

    Even so I guarantee most fans would prefer to finish 10th and be involved in some of the most heart stopping moments, pulsating games and exciting football than finish 8th and watch the dross we have seen in the near 3 years Alan has been here.

  • 225 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    The idea of sticking with pardew for fear of who we might get is ludicrous. Pardew is not fit to manage this club. We need a better manager. Dont overthink it.

  • 226 Shearer.Milburn // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    Any links to confirm the squad?? I thought santon, jonas and taylor were doubts

  • 227 Thump // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    I stand corrected, two managers. Benitez would be brilliant but we couldn’t match his wage request never mind his transfer budget demands.

  • 228 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    For me, the Pardew situation is really simple and I don’t understand why it’s still under debate.

    Mike Ashley has reviewed Pardew’s position and decided that he is to remain in his job. Decision made, time to move on. Now…the real question is, how is he going to do? As a fan, I expect that decision to prove to be the right decision and if it isn’t, then I want it reversed asap. So I’ll give him until November and sack him if he isn’t looking like top 10.

    And as for 14th? I count that as a failure and will be calling for Pardew’s head.

  • 229 DevonToon // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Ruddy @ 189… im aware.. I do watch every match, I dont think jonas should start. Iv clearly stated that! Iv given you an article which does show, while pardew has been at the club, jonas has been moulded into the player he is today… I dont know how you can argue against stats. I just feel that there are more players deserving off a good slating than poor old jonas.

  • 230 breno95 // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Wenger managed in japan before he was appointed Arsenal manager.
    Got to be factual correct on here.

  • 231 Ibizatoon // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Tommy…Ha ha, bringing the crunch in to things…like it.

    Whoever mentioned Brighton being a problem in the League cup….haven’t they already been knocked out?

    FA Cup I agree, we’ll go out and when we meet Brighton…but we can dream of being knocked out by a new opponent in the League Cup this year…how exciting :)

  • 232 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Then why are other clubs able to find better managers then we have be able to???

    There are clubs out there that could not offer what we can and yet they are able to go out and get them???

    Do you think that the likes of Rudi Garcia would not have been interested in coming here, or Benitez who said himself that he was looking for a long term project where he had to work within a tight budget???

  • 233 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    TDS

    Well you could be right about players moving to mid table PL clubs (not that I see us as a mid table club, we are inherently more than that) in a bid for more exposure.

    Using that logic though, Rudi Garcia would have got more coverage managing Newcastle than he would managing Roma.

    Girard was there for the taking, Ashley never wanted him as he knows Pardew is a mouthpiece who will do his bidding.

    Benitez said he wanted either a project he could build into a successful side, or a ready made team capable of success. We were the former, but he chose the latter. He wanted to stay in England though so perhaps he wanted to join us.

    One conversation with Ashley might have changed his mind if it ever came to pass, but I doubt it ever did as I believe Ashley was never going to sack Pardew, and never will unless we look like getting relegated.

  • 234 lesh // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    JackButler….. If Pardew’s pushed or walks, the only manager you’re gonna see is Kinnear ably assisted by Harford!

    Judging by the lack of buys and thus long-term contracts, there’s no way Ashley’s gonna sign up a manager from outside.

  • 235 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    I think its more a case of Ashley has decided that Pardew needs to go and wants to do as cheaply as possible so he brings in Kinnear to undermine him in the hope that he’ll walk and he doesn’t have to pay the seven years compensation

  • 236 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    Breno

    He also managed in the French League before joining the team in Japan, so technically it is factually correct. The premise was that he had not managed in a top top league before joining Arsenal.

  • 237 jimmysmith // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    Thankfully the season is starting so we can judge the side and manager on their merits now. Good side, all things considered, according to the manager, but now we get the opportunity to see objectively for ourselves.

  • 238 toon kk // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    We should have kept Chris H as manager big mistake giving him the sack. He was treated so badly by MA.

  • 239 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    Ruddy the braga performance was awful. It had pardews shocking tactics that almost got us relegated stamped all over it. However, that doesnt mean jonas and hba werent our best performers.

  • 240 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    lesh

    Can’t see Kinnear being installed as his health issues would put a stop to that, we’d be looking at Poyet

  • 241 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    JackButler

    No, I don’t think we would have signed Benitez or Garcia. I don’t think they would have wanted to come here. I didn’t read any quotes like that for Benitez but he’s a prickly character and I can’t imagine it would work anyway.

    As for managers at other clubs, there have also been several who failed. You can’t look at a decision that a dozen other clubs have made, point to the successful ones and criticise our club for not having made that one decision as well. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

    And read my post 228…

  • 242 beddersmag // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    Beattie thats a bold statement. So of all those hundreds of players pardew has coached, what appraisal process did you use to determine his performance in terms of contributing to their ability? How did you isolate his contribution to their development, and how did you measure the change in their relative ability over the period they were exposed to his management?

  • 243 lesh // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    Oh yes to Wenger but I wonder if our super-hero DoF would agree with that appointment?

  • 244 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    Ruddy

    I think managing a big Italian club on the verge of the CL than has been in the CL in recent seasons is more attractive than managing a big outsider for the CL places. It would take a very confident and ambitious manager to take on that challenge but I welcome the man who believes he has what it takes!

  • 245 spitfire_ // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    JFK and Wenger are buddies… JFK said that so must be true. They talk on the phone regularly. So yay Wenger is coming… not.

  • 246 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    If you don’t think we are a big enough draw for those managers then you see us in a different light to me.

    And hindsight shows that Pardew has failed and we should not be in the position to waste another season to see if he can come good when everything points to him failing again

  • 247 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Blackley

    You may be right that they were our best performers, but the point I am making is that neither player should be considered to start on the basis of their pre-season form.

    HBA was generally very poor in pre-season, but still should be considered to start.
    Jonas was generally pretty good in pre-season but should be nowhere near the first XI.

  • 248 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Beddersmag

    Take the amount of players that have played under his stewardship for longer than one season that have reached the highest levels of the game.

  • 249 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    Tds, ash may have decided pardew will remain but for how long? I reckon pardew will be gone soon and a little push from the fans will help him on his way. Results will dictate it. Pardew is the master of his own destiny but the fans can give him a little push to get there quicker.

  • 250 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    JackButler

    Nah. I don’t believe those conspiracy theories. For me it’s much more likely that there are clauses in Pardew’s contract, otherwise it just doesn’t make sense. The alternative is that MA really is paying Pardew £500kpa but with massive incentives. Pardew’s counter argument was that he wanted a long contract then. Either way, I can’t believe it would cost too much to get rid of him.

    But think how much we spent sacking managers over the years? I reckon he was close to being sacked and just about managed to keep his job. Like I said in post 228.

  • 251 lesh // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    JackButler, correct, in that Ashley wouldn’t expose to the pressures of front-line management and that’s where Harford fits in – perish the thought.

  • 252 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie

    Read post 228 mate.

  • 253 Qatar NUFC fan // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    Southampton sign Osvaldo from Roma for a club-record fee of £15m.

    HOW COME !!!

    Do something Ashley

  • 254 stan anderson // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    H B A is totally overated by many on here.What has his contriution been apart from the odd flashes,not a lot

  • 255 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    lesh

    Not even Ashley 1s that cruel enough to unleash Hartford on us manager

  • 256 breno95 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    These players coming into PL and going to a non top 4 club do so solely to put themselves in the shop window to try n get that move to a CL club. That applies to our players i.e. Cabaye debuchy cisse et al.
    If they do well they get their move to bigger club playing CL footie and bigger salary n the selling club makes a profit.
    Take Wanyama. Soton have gambled but if he shines as the big fish in small pond interest will be shown and his price will double. Its the way of football for those lesser clubs who can initially offer a route into PL but will never in a million years become a seriuos force.

  • 257 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    TDS

    You must be really proud of your post @errrmmm where was it again? 228? :P

  • 258 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    JackButler

    For me, I’d manager NUFC over any club in the world and would love a manager like SBR to take on the challenge of our club who feels the passion for the club and the desire to have us rise up from mediocrity to some fantastic times again.

    But looking at the situation from a neutral perspective, I’m afraid I don’t see things the same way as that.

  • 259 lesh // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    JackButler and Poyet’s said to be an arrogant, opinionated tw@ – imagine him working fir Kinnear? Not a cat in hell’s chance.

  • 260 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    Ruddy

    Hehe. Having the same conversation about 4 times so I thought that was better than reposting it!

  • 261 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Then from what point, either football or business, is the appointment of Kinnear as director of football logical to you?

  • 262 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    Ruddy why would you not play your better preseason performers and prefer to play your worse ones?

  • 263 petchey22 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    In a way I actually hope we get hammered tomorrow, at least then the 3 idiots (pards, JFK and MA) might know what trouble we’re in and ‘get somebody over the line.’

  • 264 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    Got 16 answers so far so we can see how people do at the end of the season:
    Final position in league
    Number of points in league
    League Cup round
    FA Cup round
    Number of 1st team signings this season (currently 1 – Remy)
    Number of 1st team leaving this season (currently 1 – Perch. Harper and Simpson left when contracts expired)
    Top goal scorer
    Number of goals for top goal scorer
    Month that AP is sacked (or not)
    New manager if AP is sacked

    Just post the answers in that order so I can copy and paste it easily.

  • 265 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    lesh

    Show me a manager who isn’t an arrogant, opinionated t**t!?

  • 266 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    JackButler

    Struggling with that one!!

    I can only imagine that MA wasn’t happy with Llambias for some reason of Llambias wasn’t happy with his job for some reason. So MA went for someone he knows is available and has experience in football. I really wish he drank at other bars though…it would be nicer if he was socialising with people of higher calibre than Pardew, Wise and JFK…

  • 267 lesh // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    Wow. Yet another former football star on the site

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Butler_(footballer)

    Ever so modest is Jack, too.

  • 268 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    TDS

    Well I agree with what you’re saying, bottom half of the table with no European football, the squad at his disposal is a failure, but I am afraid that we simply have not kept up with the other teams around us, and I think some of them have caught up to us, are just behind us, or just ahead of us in terms of quality.

    Another thing is, a lot of these teams have better, more ambitious managers which could contribute to a higher league finish, which makes me believe that we will not finish inside the top half.

    Now, going with what you’ve said, if we finish outside the top half Pardew should be sacked. The key element of that sentence is “SHOULD be sacked” but in my opinion, he won’t be.

    Ashley just wants us in the league so we can benefit from the TV money without spending much. If ever it looks like our PL position is under threat he will open the wallet to protect his investment, but not a second before that.

    Which is why I think he’ll be in a job even if we finish 14th.

  • 269 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    Blackley

    Because Ben Arfa is miles better than Jonas. C’mon now.

  • 270 lesh // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    JackButler…… Joe Kinnear?

  • 271 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    lesh

    Cheeky git I’m not that old :D (and it’s not my real name)

  • 272 geordie157 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    Southampton have signed Osvaldo, another ambitious signing.

    Have to worry that the sides like Southampton, Norwich and Swansea are catching us fast, maybe even building stronger squads than us. Southampton’s academy is also something to envy, with Shaw and Ward-Prowse now starting to perform on the big stage.

  • 273 geordie157 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    Not jumping on the Pards out band wagon, but I’ve noticed him stating that are fitness levels are impressive so I will disappointed if that’s not the case.

  • 274 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    NUFCfans ?@nufcfans 5s
    “We need to step our game up to compete with the Southampton’s and West Ham’s who have bought well,” Pardew warns. #NUFC

  • 275 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    Ruddy

    I don’t agree with the statement on Ashley because it doesn’t make the best sense to me from a business perspective. Sure, there’s the possibility that he just wants his loan paid back as soon as possible so he can then sell the club, but there’s also the fact that a higher league finish brings more money and also if we could get into Europe then the club gets more coverage and more money still.

    And I also think if the players got the feeling that the best we were hoping for was mid-table mediocrity, then they’d be off too.

    And I promise you, I will be demanding he leaves if we don’t get top 10 this season. In fact, I’ll be demanding he leaves if it looks unlikely after a few months. Even 11th place on goal difference is not enough for me unless we also happen to be 1 or 2 points from 7th at the same time.

  • 276 JackButler // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    Get French Football ?@GFN_France 11s
    Yoann Gourcuff will be sold to Arsenal if Lyon receive an offer of €15m we understand. Agreement between player and Lyon. #OL #AFC

  • 277 sparky55 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    Final position in league 9th
    Number of points in league 57
    League Cup round 3
    FA Cup round 2
    Number of 1st team signings this season (currently 1 – Remy) 3
    Number of 1st team leaving this season (currently 1 – Perch. 3 Harper and Simpson left when contracts expired)
    Top goal scorer remy
    Number of goals for top goal scorer 14
    Month that AP is sacked (or not) September
    New manager if AP is sacked Gus Poyet

  • 278 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Here’s my take on Osvaldo going to Saints…they spend over £15M signing a 27 and a half year old Italian striker with 9 caps for Italy…that’s a lot.

    I reckon Garcia didn’t really fancy him and wanted the money to rebuild so they got a huge offer and off he went. It’s not as if he’ll have much of a resale value and I don’t think he’ll be as good as Bony or RvW for example. It’s a huge amount of money for him.

  • 279 Toonacious T // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    “right Stevie, who’s been showing up well pre-season in your opinion?”
    “I think young Dummet has impressed and Gosling looks sharp” “Right, I like Oba’s pace, Shola is a real handful and Gutierrez is the first name on the team sheet for City”. “We’ll go with experience and do exactly what we did last season, that’s the last thing they will expect”. “Right, I’m off to polish my LMA award” . “Make sure that w@n£er Kinnear doesn’t steal my tactics book while I’m away!”

  • 280 beddersmag // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Beattie

    Thats a ridiculous measure of how a manager contributes to a players development. If you have operated in lower leagues or poorer premiership teams you are far less likely to succeed on that measure than a manager who has managed one top club.

    95% of managers in the english leagues would look bad on that measure. Dario gradi for example has done more than most in nurturing ability would have only a few players who have played for england and so would probably be worse than pardew on that measure.

    Rogers is widely regarded on here as an excellent and progressive coach. On your measure he was crap until he got to liverpool and now he is excellent.

    You are talking nonsense mate. Do you seriously think any manager would receive a kpi to perform to, based on how many players they have coached, who will go on to reach the highest levels of the game- which is subjective anyway.

    Sometimes it is better to just hold your hands up and admit you were talking nonsense mate

  • 281 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    TDS

    We differ on Ashley’s ambition for the club, I fear that come next summer we won’t differ on it then.

    Ashley does just want his loan paid back asap so he can ship up and out. The difference between finishing 5th and 15th in terms of prize money is something like 5m, whereas building a team that finished 15th into a team that consistently finishes 5th cost a lot more than that.

    In order to first achieve European football you need to spend in order to finish 7th at the very least, and then when you get into Europe, you need to increase the size of the squad to manage both Europe and then the PL, as last season showed.

    Why would Ashley spend that money when it is easier to see us finish mid table consistently with what little we have. The only time this plan fails is if we are in danger of relegation. It is more financially beneficial to him for us to finish mid table than it is for us to finish in European places.

    As for players looking to leave? If they are under contract we can demand huge fees for them, which will in turn make MA even more money, with which he can spend a fraction of to bring in a replacement.

    It’s the Mike Ashley way.

  • 282 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Pablo Osvaldo’s record in the last 3 seasons between Serie A and La Liga stands at 99 league games, 47 league goals. That’s pretty impressive. 15m might be a bit steep, but strikers do not come cheap, not good ones anyway.

  • 283 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    Puts it all into perspective looking at Chelsea’s bench :

    Essien, Schurrle, Ba, Lukaku, Mata

    Fair play ? , what a joke. Apparently they want another striker as well .

  • 284 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    Ruddy

    If players really want to leave then there are ways to engineer a move. It won’t always succeed but it will a lot of the time. And if Cabaye wasn’t happy for example, would he have let his mate, Debuchy, join in January?

    I don’t think we’ll differ next summer…either we do well and I think you’ll come to my way of thinking a little, or we don’t and I will definitely be closer to your way of thinking!

  • 285 eaststandgeordie1982 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    BPC

    Not just any striker they want rooney

  • 286 Ian Toon // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    Good to see Beattie being so optimistic on the eve of our first game. I share the view that if we are bold and with the talented squad we have to select from we could well surprise many of the punters in a state of
    Comatose.

  • 287 Thump // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    So Mike Ashley has put those famous gates up… again a f’in wall…?

  • 288 Thump // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    against*

  • 289 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    Anyone else care to contribute?
    Final position in league
    Number of points in league
    League Cup round
    FA Cup round
    Number of 1st team signings this season (currently 1 – Remy)
    Number of 1st team leaving this season (currently 1 – Perch. Harper and Simpson left when contracts expired)
    Top goal scorer
    Number of goals for top goal scorer
    Month that AP is sacked (or not)
    New manager if AP is sacked

    I’m signing off soon but will check tomorrow and continue to record everyone’s views up until the match starts tomorrow.

  • 290 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:41 PM

    Ruddy, that’s my point. Yes, hba is miles better than Jonas and he is miles better than the rest. That is why I’ve never seen him as a poor performer. To compare him to Jonas to demonstrate your point doesn’t work because he is a one off. All I’m saying is that Jonas was our top performer against Braga IMO, and you want to go with your top performers. Football’s a funny game. Good player one season; shit the next; and vice versa.

    Who was it above who asked what hba’s done? Without his contribution last season, we would have gone down.

  • 291 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    TDS

    I’m not saying players do want to leave, I mean that if they did, the club could say “you’re under a 4 year contract, so you won’t be leaving until we get X amount for you.”

    I don’t think Cabaye is unhappy, but if Spurs or Man United pay 15-20m for him, you can bet your bottom dollar that he will be off, regardless of his friendship with Debuchy.

    If we do well, I will give Pards a stay of execution, especially if we play good football, but I cannot see that happening though. Anyway, I will never truly be content about the future of this club until both Pardew and Ashley is gone, I’m afraid I’ve pretty much made up my mind now.

  • 292 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    Bedders

    What the actual fcuk are you talking about?

    You have missed the point entirely. Alan Pardew has in 14 years of management broke negative record after record at various clubs, has been sacked 3 times from 4 previous clubs and has no track record of improving players under his management.

    Not one notable player has flourished under Pardew and gone on to bigger and better things.

    Pardew is a top flight manager so the expectations would be for a player under him to play at the highest level.

    There are different expectations in the lower leagues of course but someone like Dario Grade, who was good at nurturing talent, hardly went on to manage thing clubs so I don’t see your point.

    Also what has Brendan Rodgers got to do with this?

    He was a coach under Mourinho and helped bring through and train some exceptional talent and helped said players reach their pinnacle and found success and glory as part if a team that won league titles and domestic silverware. How does my logic make him crap?

    You really have no idea what it is I’m talking about and have got yourself all confused.

    Alan Pardew does not improve players that play under for more than one full season. Look at the stats, facts and figures.

    Does this make him a poor manager? No, but it contributes to it.

  • 293 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    * thing = top

  • 294 Ian Toon // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    Mac Toon- I didn’t have you down as being so gullible. I have only ever posted under my own name as I told you. I just choose not to post to often because of the shenanigans.
    I remain a devotee of NUFC.

  • 295 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    Ahh look who it is.

    Willing to concede defeat in the whole Pushy/Carl fiasco?]

    Blackley

    Ok let’s use another player to illustrate my point. Jonas had a better pre-season than Gouffran, but I would play Gouffran over Jonas purely because he is a better player.

    Are you saying without HBA’s contribution last season we would have went down or are you talking about Jonas?

    I would argue that HBA’s contribution was minimal due to injury, and that Jonas’ contribution was minimal full stop.

    Pre-season form doesn’t count as far as I am concerned. You field your best players, regardless of pre-season form.

  • 296 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Ian toon

    It’s never been about the squad lacking ability it’s been about the manager not being bold enough.

    Do you really think he’ll set up his side to go out and attack city tomorrow night?

  • 297 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    Ian

    Stop being such an @rsehole. I have an email correspondence from Ed himself that can confirm that your IP address created the monikers of Ian Toon, Carl and Pushy.

    You were bested by people you condescended to and patronised perhaps you’re not as smart as you thought you were, man up and accept it.

  • 298 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Ruddy

    I don’t know about £15M for Cabaye but if Man Utd or Arsenal were serious about signing him and were willing to meet our valuation of him (I’d say more like £20-25M), then sure he’ll go and I wouldn’t begrudge him that.

    I think players not wanting to leave shows that they don’t share your view on Pardew’s ability or Ashley’s ambition though.

  • 299 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Ruddy

    Who is Felipe?

  • 300 Ian Toon // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Ibiza- I hope your well and enjoying life. I am currently on a working holiday which will conclude just prior to the WHU game.
    Synergistically yours.

  • 301 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    Ruddy, Ashley has managed to assemble a squad of talented players. His failing, and a big one, is that he has never got to grips with appointing the right manager and keeping him. NUFC has a long history of crap managers; the previous regime got it wrong more often than not. If Ashley gets it right, who knows what might happen? The biggest criticism of him is that he is too tight. However, whose squad would you swap ours for?

  • 302 Toon Tang // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    Thump, there’s a hidden meaning in the gates being up against a wall like that.

    freud would have a field day picking that one apart i reckon

  • 303 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    Beattie

    Relatively new poster who seems to have a grudge against me and Jail but doesn’t necessarily mean it’s Ian, could be any number of people. Apparently I’m abrasive…

  • 304 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    Apparently the earth is round…

  • 305 Ian Toon // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    Beattie – I will be watching the game in a Sardinia bar so I sincerely hope so as I could not endure the derision from the Juventus fans I spent the evening with ( were I hour ahead) who think I know something about football. I personally think he’ll change the habit of a lifetime and go for it.
    Take it easy sport.

  • 306 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    Blackley

    I’d have Spurs’ squad, Liverpool’s squad, I’d have Chelsea’s squad, I’d have Man United’s squad, I’d have Man City’s squad, I’d have Arsenal’s squad (even though they need a few defensive signings)

    Our squad isn’t as good as people think. Our first XI is good, but beneath that it’s thin and lacking in depth and quality.

  • 307 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:55 PM

    TDS

    Hey! Quiet you! :P

  • 308 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    Ruddy @ 295 I was talking about HBA, of course. He has the skill to conjure something out of nothing when other players could play all day and all night and not make the breakthrough that makes the vital difference.

  • 309 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    Ruddy

    I have a feeling Felipe is an old friend.

    I seem to remember Ernest Hemmingway (the blogger) being quite similar.

    It is odd how people feel the need to strengthen their opinions by creating other aliases.

    But that makes me a hypocrite considering I am also Ibizatoon.

  • 310 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:00 PM

    Right. Goodnight lads. I’ve got about 20 responses for those with enough balls to have their predictions recorded so if anyone is planning to be on this blog while most of us sleep, feel free to repost that list of questions and I’ll check for answers in the morning.

    Despite all the negativity, only 1 person has decided we’re going to get relegated and he admitted he was having a bad day! In fact, only 1 other person put us in trouble. Looks like the really negative people are either trolls or aren’t willing to put their opinions on record…

    Sadly, nobody has been optimistic enough to predict top 6 though…

  • 311 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:01 PM

    Have we done a score predictions yet?

    Man City 4 – 1 Newcastle
    Dzeko (3) Lescott (o.g.)
    Toure

    Hope I’m wrong.

  • 312 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    Ruddy @ 306 So you agree that Ashley has assembled a squad that is the best of the rest? 7th in EPL ranking? You may call it thin, but leaving aside the squads you mention, which squad is better than ours? Please name a time when we have had a squad with more strength in depth.

    He’s not as rich as the owners of those clubs you mention and yet the biggest criticism of him is that he’s a tight arse.

  • 313 Sazzer // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    Southampton is spending serious cash. Rodriguez, Ramirez, Osvaldo = 34 m £.

  • 314 Beattie25 // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    It looked good until the spacing went to crap:

    Man city 4 – 1 Newcastle
    Dzeko (3) — Lescott o.g.
    Toure

  • 315 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    I just want us to have a go tommorow. I miss the days under SBR or Keegan where we feared no one and the other team knew that they had been in a fight reguardless of the result.

    I can stomach getting beat as we aren’t Man U expecting to win every game. But it is torture watching us come under waves and waves of pressure in an away game and I run out of nails to chew by half time.

    These days I just stop watching after the second has gone in against us to spare the pain of watching us crumble. Only one under Pardew did we go after a big club and that was boxing day last year against Man U when we lost 4-3 .

    I am still convinced our manager was an imposter that day, and when we played 4-3-3 for a spell.

  • 316 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Anyone thinking that under pardew we’re going to have a better season than last is deluded. We will have all the same old relegation worries. Incidentally, troubled souls like to mention trolls.

  • 317 Sazzer // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    Tadic
    2 games 3 goals 4 assist

    That’s how you increase your chances of getting sold before end of August.

  • 318 Sazzer // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    And two man of the match.

  • 319 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    Blackley

    Fine…before I go, predictions on record please:
    Final position in league
    Number of points in league
    League Cup round
    FA Cup round
    Number of 1st team signings this season (currently 1 – Remy)
    Number of 1st team leaving this season (currently 1 – Perch. Harper and Simpson left when contracts expired)
    Top goal scorer
    Number of goals for top goal scorer
    Month that AP is sacked (or not)
    New manager if AP is sacked

  • 320 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    Blackley

    He needs to up his numbers in terms of goals and assists though, big season for him

  • 321 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    Ruddy, there’s not much to chose between Gouffran and Jonas IMO. Just Jonas is on better form.

    I remember not too long ago when Jonas took players on for fun; he was unplayable. Unfortunately, in one close season he went on the weights and re-fuelled at Ronald McDonald’s. He’s never looked the same since.

  • 322 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:19 PM

    Blackley

    I would say that our squad could widely be considered the best of the rest, and that we should be aiming for 7th with the squad available

    Interestingly enough, Ashley is worth more than John W Henry, however Liverpool’s revenue blows us out of the water.

    Beattie

    I’d long suspected you of being Ibiza, it fits the Jekyll and Hyde idea I had of you.

  • 323 Papiss9 // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:19 PM

    Final position in league: 8 th
    Number of points in league: 55
    League Cup round: quarter finale
    FA Cup round: 5th round
    Number of 1st team signings this season (currently 1 – Remy): 2
    Number of 1st team leaving this season (currently 1 – Perch. Harper and Simpson left when contractsexpired): 2
    Top goal scorer: Cisse
    Number of goals for top goal scorer: 16
    Month that AP is sacked (or not): not sacked
    New manager if AP is sacked:

  • 324 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Blackley

    Gouffran runs the channels, Gouffran gets behind the full back, Gouffran has actually scored goals in the short space of time he’s been here. There’s a lot to choose between Jonas and Gouffran in my opinion.

  • 325 AMEOBI // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Anyone who’s going to the game tomorrow what time you leaving? On William Hill its 20/1 for cisse to score and us to win, worth a few quid.

  • 326 jimmysmith // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Ashley is a tightarse and a tat peddler, albeit a very good one, but that doesn’t make him a good football club owner, although that doesn’t necessarily also mean he won’t eventually come good either, just probably not in my lifetime, which isn’t the best thing to live with, when you consider the Toon has been the greatest single constant passion of my entire life, sad to say.

  • 327 Sazzer // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    4 th ;-P
    75 point
    Early
    Early
    4 st Thauvin, Sakho (loan), Matri (loan)
    Amalfitano (loan), Obertan (loan)
    Cisse 23 goals
    Manager of the year: Joe Kinnear :-P

  • 328 Sazzer // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    Pardew out after 7-0 tomorrow.

  • 329 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    TDS – I don’t go in for games, not even fantasy football, and I don’t gamble. Suffice to say Pardew won’t make three years at the club. Consequently, predictions of final finishes, fa cup runs, number of points are quite meaningless.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if JFK gets a very short term caretaker role, but I’m not buying any popular conspiracy theories.

  • 330 beddersmag // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    Beattie

    It is you who is confused you patronising little man. You came up with a ridiculous statement and then compounded it with another one. I used rogers as an example of your stupid criteria to appraise a manager.

    How many or dario gradi’s players reached the top level? A few. Ok so hes is poor by the measure you stipulated. Thats my point.

    Cabaye, krul, hba, cisse, ba, santon, marveux, bigi, all seem to have enhanced their reputations under pardew (dont bother picking up on these individual players, i dont have time.

    So rodgers gets the credit for mourhinio’s work now as he was part of the coaching set up? Give me a break you are clutching now ha ha

    I find if you have a point it is best to raise it rather than expect people to guess. Oh, your point was pardew is sh*t. Thats a revelation.

    Please provide “the stats, facts and figures” you speak of using criteria which is not totally subjective and conforms to my request in post 242. Oh, you cant. Of course you cant you were talking total sh*t.

    No amount of patronising people or smokescreening changes my intial point. You might have said, “i think pardew cant develop players”, which would be your opinion rather than selling something as a fact which you cant actually prove in any way which can be quantified.

    No confusion here mate. Totally clear. Off to bed now though. Feel free to riducule me, and have the last say when im gone, as this will make it look like you won the debate :-)

  • 331 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    Blackley

    That’s a cop-out and you know it. You just stated that we would have the same relegation worries yet you don’t want to actually put it on the record and say just how bad you think it will be or if Pardew will still be around…

    There’s no gambling involved here and football is a game too you know.

    You’ll probably be on this blog under a different name telling everyone how you always said that we’d finish top 8…

  • 332 Toonacious T // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    Jimmysmith-that made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that, might be good to get as many laughs as possible before tomorrow night! Trepidation I think is the word.

  • 333 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Ruddy, Gouffran and Jonas play different games. Today’s Jonas even plays a different game to Jonas of yore. Not sure then what running the channels has to do with it? Both players should get more goals than they do, but especially Gouffran who has been given a more advanced role. Unfortunately, Gouffran is not a goalscorer.

  • 334 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    @ Blackley

    Gouffran doesn’t score goals ? .

    Didn’t he get something like 15 for Bordeaux last year.

    You need to think before you type m8.

  • 335 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    Gouffran directly replaced Jonas on LW, so yes comparing who runs the channels and how they play in that position is a pretty important aspect of seeing who is more effective in the starting line up.

    We need to play a 4-3-3, with a front 3 of HBA RW, Gouffran LW and Cisse up top. Eventually we could see Remy as part of that set up, maybe even for Cisse and see those front 3 interchange.

    Either way, Jonas should not be a starter as our current DMs and CMs are streets ahead of him in those positions.

  • 336 Jamesthefirst // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    Ashley turned down a £350 million takeover in Feb of this year from a Kuwait investor.

    He wants £400 million to sell up.

    According to Sunday journalists in a number of countries he has received an offer closer to his asking price within the last 2 days.

  • 337 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    If anyone bid 400m to buy Newcastle United, the first question I would ask them would be, what the hell are you smoking!?

  • 338 tomjlaws // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    Have u got any articles to back that up?..

  • 339 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    Big papa Cisse. You telling me you’re counting on Gouffran to get us goals? How many do you expect him to get?

    BTW, are you asking me how many he scored in France? A different, inferior league? Was it 15? I hope you’ve checked that before you typed m8.

  • 340 jimmysmith // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    Gouffran didn’t threaten the old onion bag in much of a meaningful way last season as I remember it, in fact missed a few sitters. Less of a finisher than Wor Shola, as far as I can tell, although atleast we now have Remy, so two out of 11, that you might rely on to get em, that, frankly, is quite duff.

  • 341 nick_9 // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    —————–Krul—————
    Debuchy – colo – tayls – mbiwa
    —– sissoko —- cabaye——-
    Benny——-Marv——–santon
    ————–cisse———-

    Most technical team we have if remy isn’t fit, perhaps Anita should be in there for tayls with santon moving to rb and mbiwa cb. Left and a right footer on either wing so its not the obvious cut inside from
    Jonas and santon. Marv and benny are wizards, if ether are around the box they will create plenty, I think the back six and santon could protect us enough to have both in the team. Sissoko and cabaye work hard and should be fresh enough to defend hard. Maybe a bit too attacking against city but I’m sick of admitting defeat before a ball has even kicked, lose in style instead of with a whimper. The standard of play/tempo seems higher this year and signings like osvaldo really have me questioning the managements ambition. Financial fair play? We will be lucky to be in Europe again, the same Europe that was such a burden….:

  • 342 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 18, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    I don’t believe what I read sometimes on this blog like, now Shola is better than Gouffran.

    The reason Gouffran disn’t score many was largeley down to the fact he was played left wing. Just because someone has pace doesn’t make them a winger FFS, he playedlone striker for Bordeaux in a 4-2-3-1.

    Remy out wide js a different story as he has the tricks to beat a man and ge is quick.

  • 343 Grumpy // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    Well Lads, Here we are again on the eve of another battle. Never has so much been owed to so many by so few. I wish us all a great season, one to look back on with wonder goals and great saves. Common the Toon.

  • 344 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    Our forwards need good service to be able to have a chance of scoring. Not the scraps which they barely get at the moment.

    You can’t create chances when all but Cisse are about 5-10 yards off our own box fending for our lives repelling opposition attacks.

    Hard work doesn’t win games, scoring goals does. Hardwork is a standard element of the process of being positive, which needs a heavy focus on ball retention and chance creation. Without that, you’re simply surviving for a point or loss.

    Underwhelmed, massively underwhelmed.

  • 345 pawl250 // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    Personally I would go one of the two

    3-2-3-1-1

    ————————- Krul
    ———— Mbiwa – STaylor – Coloccini
    Debuchy ———————————— Santon
    ———– Cabaye — Tiote – Sissoko
    ———————- Ben Arfa
    ———————— Cisse

    OR ATTACK!

    ——————- Krul
    Debuchy – Mbiwa – Coloccini – Santon
    —– Cabaye — Tiote — Sissoko
    Ben Arfa ——- Cisse ———- Gouffran

    It would be worthy to note we need a pacey left back to deal with Navas. He is going to be the key to unlocking teams this season his pace is ridiculous! FASTER THAN BALE!

  • 346 Sazzer // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:07 AM

    Shola scored like one in five games and Gouffran one in four in France and one in five in PL so far.

  • 347 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:08 AM

    I was watching the Barca match and seeing players pass and move forward was like a breath of fresh air. Who would have thought it… pass and move. Wow. Make sure that ball gets to its destination.

    At one point there were 5 or 6 Barca players in the Levante box, close to the 6 yard line. We barely have Cisse in there, with practically no service. Can you see one of the aspects where we’re going wrong?

  • 348 jimmysmith // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:08 AM

    It’s not such a long bow to imagine that Shola is at this stage is a better finisher than Gouffran as things stand, point being neither are prolific and moreover the whole side lacks goals.

  • 349 Sazzer // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    That was Sholas overall. His PL is one in six and half.

  • 350 Macas // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    Gouffran is very average in my opinion

  • 351 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Big papa, so when I say Gouffran doesn’t get goals, you say “you need to think before you type m8″. Then you say he didn’t score many goals. Okay so he was playing wide, but where’s the evidence he could score goals if he wasn’t? You mentioned the French league and haven’t answered my question. Did you check the figure of 15 goals before you typed mate?

  • 352 Sydney Toon // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    I love it when people on here complain about Guti!! Yes he has slowed down, but his experience and leadership for the team is critical. His role is not an attacking one, Santon has the license to attack while Guti drops back. Pards may not be technically strong but he knows when his player needs a different role. When we have been defending for a long period and get the ball back, instead of trying to counter and losing the ball, Guti takes a foul, sometimes brutally. Slows the game down, lets us catch a breath and we can start again. Guti may attach 2-3 times but he won’t do more than that. He looks fresh this season, give him a break, he like Coloccini could have run off after relegation but stayed and they have been critical members of the squad. They both deserve our respect and appreciation of what they bring now as much as their past!

  • 353 MacToon // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    Just like a bad penny. IT, you talk like you think you know me, you don’t. You proclaim to be a member of mensa but such poor grammar and spelling would suggest otherwise, I’d be surprised if a game of chess would last more than a couple of moves.
    I cannot believe Ruddy would lie and claim correspondence with Ed. You may have fooled some but don’t treat us all like idiots. Enjoy your working holiday.
    I apologise for bringing the subject back up today!

  • 354 Toon-Barmy // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    Not sure where this squad info has come from but from what I hear we have doubts over Davide Santon with a hip problem, Steven Taylor with a toe problem and Jonas Gutierrez with a hamstring injury.

  • 355 NUFC_LEAZES END // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    My starting 11 would be

    ———————Krul——————
    Debuchy m’biwa collo Taylor santon
    ———————Anita—————–
    Ben arfa———————-marveaux
    ——————–cabaye—————-
    ———————-cisse—————-

    5-4-1 diamond

    Bring on sissoko, gouffran and tiote

  • 356 JAMSHA // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    Final position in league 12th
    Number of points in league 41
    League Cup round final
    FA Cup round 5 th round
    Number of 1st team signings this season
    (currently 1 – Remy)
    Number of 1st team leaving this season
    (currently 1 – Perch. Harper and Simpson
    left when contracts expired)
    Top goal scorer Cisse
    Number of goals for top goal scorer 10
    Month that AP is sacked (or not) 21 st may 2020
    New manager if AP is sacked denise wise

  • 357 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    @ blackley

    I knew he scored something like 15 goals for Bordeaux because I looked him up after we signed him and remember seeing that stat. Forgive me for not having a photographic memory and being unable to tell you his goalscoring record since he started his playing carreer.

    So what he comes from the French league. So has Remy, Cabaye, well most of our starting 11 in fact. You can’t aay Gouffran isn’t a goalscorer when he got double figures before we signed him.

  • 358 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    Lets not expect much of a change here.. (Straight off the bat)

    After all, the board has let us down once again.. There is no getting away from that. We havn’t built. Teams are growing around us. We all know the crack when it comes to it.

    We have a great 1st eleven, lets hope they can push us through withstanding injuries through until January.

    Time to get behind the squad and what we have for the sake of NUFC regardless of who is operating this set-up.

    Howay the lads.

    Always support the Black and White.

  • 359 Sazzer // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    pawl250
    I like your line-ups. We shouldn’t only be worried for Navas though. Silva against Debuchy? Our CB:s against two strong CF:s. Or best player against us last time around Yaya.

    Hopefully, Silva, Negredo and Navas will be bit out of form after their international travels. Mata didn’t play for Chelsea and Cazorla didn’t start. Same with Iniesta, Javi Martinez, Thiago.

    Then again Barcelona won 7-0.

    In pre-season their defence have been beatable by putting balls behind their back four.

    Yaya and Fernandinho have been bit lazy putting their pressure in.

    At least in the 2 games I saw.

  • 360 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:26 AM

    Sydney

    If Santon was in any way decent at attacking then I would accept that argument, as it stands Santon is dreadful defensively and not effective enough offensively so it’s time to decide what he is once and for all.

    A) Decide he’s a defender; learn to f#!*!~g defend then!
    B) Decide he’s a winger; learn how to cross!

    Jonas is no longer good enough and should be put out to pasture. Thanks for the memories buddy, come on for the last 10mins, other than that you’re not good enough.

  • 361 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    MacToon

    That’s why we’ve heard nothing else from him this evening, he knows I’ve categorically found him out. To be fair I do think he is somewhat unhinged.

    No doubt he’ll chirp up when I am no longer here and he has no fear of reproach from the one person who has factual evidence that he’s a lying disingenuous patronising d**k.

  • 362 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:38 AM

    Big papa Cisse, I’m simply asking you to back up your statement since you mocked mine. So you didn’t think to check before you typed m8? Google it now. How many goals did he get in France in his last five years say? The fact is he couldn’t tie Jermaine Defoe’s laces. Defoe’s what I call a goalscorer. World cup winner Stephane Guivarch had a far better record than Gouffran in France, but he couldn’t hack it here.

  • 363 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    Just popped back and noticed some Shola bashing…

    I found a stat earlier on Shola. If Cisse had played the same number of minutes in the PL for NUFC and scored at the same rate he has since he joined the club then he would have scored…69 goals. Compared to Shola’s 41.

    So that’s a bit like saying if they played the same minutes in a whole season together and Cisse got 20 goals, Shola would get 12.

  • 364 boater // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    Big Pappa Cisse – Gouffran may’ve been played out of position – even though he wasn’t really – but Shola wasn’t even on the pitch (4 league starts). I’d suggest that was a bigger disadvantage in terms of finding the net.

  • 365 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    Can we have some scores from Ethiad?

    How do people think we will fare up on the rd here?

    Are we Fu##ed or what..

  • 366 RobertLeeNo.7 // Aug 19, 2013 at 7:38 AM

    Ed what a gret article and very humble yet positive after all the neggers and people calling for positivity and to be fair reality. Hope this gives all you guys some hope. What ever soton spent , norwich spent and I also believe this is a better starting eleven than everton with some heart and some fluency we will be ok this is a great team that yes could be improved but at least player for player better than at least 12 clubs in this league. I live in NYC now so 3pm I watch the game realistically knowing we will lose but so will most the title challengers ther so lets have fun and start our season next weekend HA!

  • 367 RobertLeeNo.7 // Aug 19, 2013 at 7:41 AM

    sorry for the grammer its 2:40am and im drunk. Don’t let you’r emotion effect the team lets be realistic and help the boys have a great season!it is the world cup year after all whatever you think they will at least play for that!

  • 368 Jarra // Aug 19, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    Final position in league based on my heart
    Number of points in league 59
    League Cup round Winners
    FA Cup round Winners
    Number of 1st team signings this season (currently 6 – Remy)
    Number of 1st team leaving this season (currently 2 – Perch. Harper and Simpson left when contracts expired)
    Top goal scorer
    Number of goals for top goal scorer 24 Remy
    Month that AP is sacked (September)
    New manager if AP is sacked Wenger

  • 369 Jarra // Aug 19, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Final position in league based on my head
    Number of points in league 45
    League Cup round 5th
    FA Cup round 4th
    Number of 1st team signings this season (currently 3 – Remy)
    Number of 1st team leaving this season (currently 4 – Perch. Harper and Simpson left when contracts expired)
    Top goal scorer
    Number of goals for top goal scorer 14 Remy
    Month that AP is sacked (December)
    New manager if AP is sacked Curbishley

  • 370 saxonfenken // Aug 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    Just read all this blog, and my decision is that Ruddy has put everybody to rights. Same old, same old arguments, Same negativity same Pardew bashing we have now heard for the last 12 months, wouldn’t it be nice if he gave it a rest and let other people have a say with out criticizing them all the time.
    Don’t he love it when he can find somebody out and they go because of him.
    Hardly ever post now, mostly down to his constant know it all narrow minded viewpoint

  • 371 jplizardking // Aug 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Lots of negative comments again!! Do the majority of people that visit this blog actually support Newcastle United or just enjoy slagging off the players, the board, the manger and anything else they/you can think of?? Loyal Jonas and Shola Ameobi have given everything for this club but get nothing but abuse. I will watch this with the belied that this club will win just like every other game and I will support whatever team and player is fielded.

  • 372 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Aug 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    Has anyone any Links for the game this evening?

    The Sport 1 channel has stopped broadcasting Prem League Football ?

    I cancelled my contract with them today!!




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