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It Was A Worrying Display By This French International

6:54 am, Tuesday, August 20th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 207 Comments

There were a number of Newcastle players who had stinkers last night, but none more so than Mathieu Debuchy at right back.

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Mathieu Debuchy – his positional play is not good

Manchester City started the game like a steam train – and kept going – and they attacked down both of Newcastle’s flanks and our defense looked as bad as it did last season, and we were cut to ribbons by City time and again.

It’s a good job Tim Krul turned up last night, and he made two brilliant saves in the first four minutes of the game, before David Silva opened the scoring with a header.

It’s the Newcastle defense that has let us down over the last three seasons in the Premier League, and last season we conceded a massive 68 goals, but last night’s score could have been a lot more embarrassing for Newcastle, but for some City misses from good chances, and Tim Krul in goal, who was by far the best Newcastle player.

After Steven Taylor had managed to make things a lot worse by getting himself sent off three minutes into added time in the first half, local lad Paul Dummett came on, and in fact gave a good account of himself at left back.

In fact Paul is second in the voting for Newcastle’s best player behind Tim Krul.

Debuchy had a poor game for Newcastle and he was responsible for the 4th goal, when his French team-mate Samir Nasri beat him to the ball about six yards outside the penalty box, and easily scored past Tim Krul.

Debuchy’s positional sense is less than good and time and again Manchester City were able to make inroads against him.

And of course Debuchy is also prone to give away penalties with some less than precise tackling inside the penalty area.

Alan Pardew will need to make some changes to the team on Saturday against West Ham, at least one with Steven Taylor suspended, but starting Paul Dummett at left back could be a good move.

But it’s also not the time to panic, and maybe it’s unfair to pick on one player, with so many poor performances from the Newcastle side last night.

But if the Frenchman is going to remain the number one right back at Newcastle his performances will need to improve significantly.

He’s not looking as good as Danny Simpson, the player he replaced in the Newcastle back-line in January.

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207 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:58 AM

    Sydney,, Repost
    I think most expected us to lose to City. But the fact we still haven’t learnt to pass the ball more than 5 times in a row, still can’t create chances. Play more as individuals when it comes to defending instead of working as a unit. Capitulate so readily without fight. Constant petulance and stupidity from a number of players.

    I expected us to lose, but I wanted to see some fight, a bit of belief. All but 2 players used last night are full internationals, not from poor countries either, France, Holland, Senegal and Ivory Coast, Argentina. If we have a team of full internationals that can’t play football as a unit, then what does that say about the manager.

    As for the upcoming games, both West Ham and Fulham will make it tough for us to create anything. As we know from last year, Pardew doesn’t like playing against teams that don’t let you create chances regularly. We shall see how it goes, but I can’t envisage drastic improvements over 5 days considering there has been none in nearly 3 years.

  • 2 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:01 AM

    Lilo

    that’s the problem, we only play to one tactic it’s 4-4-2.
    Even 4-4-2 has many different shape, but so far we only stuck to one shape of 4-4-2.
    3 days preparation is not for the match, it’s for the excuses.
    Other managers used different tactics other than 4-4-2 or change the tactic on 2nd half, different opponent different tactics. pardew is to lazy to try something new, he is sticking to what he know and it’s very limited knowledge.
    I hope JK starts to get involved, I’m getting bored with our playing style.

  • 3 Ben3arfa // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:06 AM

    I hate when I see Racist tools come on here and slate all the French players. These men are international level professionals and we know what they are capable of, yet they are demotivated by our

    Greedy BRITISH Owner

    Clueless BRITISH Director of football

    Delusional BRITISH manager

    So before you begin digging in to the French players for not having passion , how about double checking where the real problem lies here?

  • 4 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:06 AM

    Ed

    The manager is the problem. Any manager will warn Debuchy if he plays like that again he will sit on the bench and they will help him to play better, and showed him his mistakes and make him better player.

    With pardew, I can guarantee nothing will change. We will see the same thing over and over again.

  • 5 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:07 AM

    Santon,
    It is baffling we contemplate playing a 442 when we don’t have a winger capable of playing as a winger at this level. Only Jonas and Obertan are actually wingers in our first team, maybe Sammi, but I’m leaving him out as I don’t rate him.

    The players we have suit a narrower formation with our full backs offering width. Whilst I don’t think that would have been best, to play a 442 that just doesn’t suit us, and didn’t last year either, is just asking for trouble.

    I’m fine with 442 as a formation IF the players are there to play it. They aren’t at NUFC.

    I’m not sure I’d wish for Kinnear, but something has to change.

  • 6 bills-son // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:08 AM

    Fans criticise Pardew for being too defensive yet we sign and play two sttacking full backs who can’t defend – Debuchy and Santon.

    Although Santon didn’t play last night all that did was shift the weakness to Debuchy’s side. We also have four CB’s who haven’t got any real pace and only Williamson who has any height.

    I lusten to fans on here saying one more forward and we’ve got a decent squad and it makes me cringe. Until we sort the defence out we will always be prone to heavy defeats and not just against the likes of City.

    I had hoped Kinnear would see and address the weaknesses in the squad but that looks a forlorn hope now.

    Last night went exactly as I forecast and I’ll say it again until I’m blue in the face – we need to put Santon at RB, get a LB who can defend, a tall quick CB and a CF who can hold the ball up and work the channels.

    Until we do that this squad is a bottom 8 one.

  • 7 jeff // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:09 AM

    we were unlucky in that game. chances were about 50/50 until their second goal. gouffran and ben arfa had good movement.

    then when taylor got sent off, our chances of winning dropped from 30% to 10%. still very unlucky to get sent off. very harsh on the lad. he gives it his all every game, and, well, he’s a rock.

    dummet is terrible. misplayed half his passes. krul is good.

  • 8 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:09 AM

    Bills,
    And if we are to persist with a formation that requires wingers, 2 effing wingers.

  • 9 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:15 AM

    Lilo

    Our real wingers are our wb, Santon and Debuchy.
    You are spot on that we are not equiped to play wide 4-4-2, we don’t have the players to do it. but other tactics can be more efficient with our players. Even if you give pardew a Ferrari, he will drive it like a tractor.

  • 10 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:16 AM

    Can’t wait for May when the seasons finished if last nights dross is anything to go by

    Don’t mind getting beat but last night was

    Clueless, Gutless, Passionless, Petulent and that not just the players.

    We had kick off and guess which way we went – backwards to Krul – shows our ambition
    Why oh why did Pardew start with a half fit Gutierrez.
    take off Goufran when the useless Taylor was sent off
    and subbing HBA for Sammy

    Taylor and Debuchy should never put on a toon shirt again.

    Not looking forward to Saturday – can’t see us winning – never beaten Allerdyce team since he was sacked.

  • 11 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:17 AM

    Bills,
    While you are quite correct in saying that we need to strengthen at the back as well, the biggest issue last night was that they don’t defend as a unit. The second goal is a great example. Sissoko is the deepest player, Colo is 2 yards further up than Taylor, who is also the wrong side of Aguero. Colo is standing about 5 yards off Dzeko, affording him the space to flick the ball into a gap between our centre halves that the QE2 would have passed through. This is all training ground stuff.

  • 12 hdavid23 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:18 AM

    Arsenal were ridiculed by Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley after making a ‘derisory’ bid for Yohan Cabaye, according to reports.

    The Daily Telegraph claims that after an offer of £10.2million was submitted for the French international, Ashley asked Arsenal’s contract negotiator Dick Law: “Which part of him do you want to buy?”

  • 13 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    We will see the same thing against West Ham. It’s another 4-4-2.

  • 14 bobby mango // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    Bills-Son
    We have got a good squad but their not played to their strengths. Would like the additions you’ve mentioned but also think a new striker is essential.

    Cisse showed how utterly useless he is at getting involved in team play. A typical example of a player not suiting our tactics. In a 4-2-3-1 Gouffran would be better as the lone striker but we wouldn’t carry enough of a goal threat.

  • 15 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:20 AM

    You have to wonder whether Debuchy will be here much longer. PSG were linked with him, and if his best mate Cabaye does one then will Debuchy follow him? If we left Cabaye out because his head wasn’t right, to my eyes, nor was Debuchys.

  • 16 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:21 AM

    hdavid

    that’s excellent reply.

  • 17 bosamuelson // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    @12 If that is true my estimation of MA has just gone up :)

  • 18 Ben3arfa // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    INSTEAD OF CONECENTRATING N SIGNING PLAYERS OUR GREEDY FAT C*** OF AN OWNER IS BUSY BARTERING OVER CABAYE.

    WHAT A PATHETIC PERSON, SHAME ON YOU ASHLEY

  • 19 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:26 AM

    I’m with Catchy this time. I hope we will lose first 5 games, 1 down 4 more to go. then pardew will be sacked.

  • 20 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    Morning lads!

    We got what we rightfully deserved last night! Nothing has changed since last season and we don’t even look match fit or tactically astute.

    Did anyone happen to read that link I posted a few days ago about our pre-season and how this club is in general being run?

    http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/newcastle-fail-in-australia-asia-and-usa/

  • 21 Assam Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:29 AM

    Are there teams worse than us this time? Last year we were fortunate that reading and qpr were worse while wigan showed better team spirit than us but couldn’t pick up enough points. I think this time 2 of the 3 new teams would go down.
    Colo, Benarfa and to an extent Sissoko are only players who ooze class. i was comparing sissoko and tiote on the ball and i was apalled how bad tiote was. a few bad performances on the day can be handled by a team unless some other players are not counterproductive. here we have tiote and guti who are so uncomfortable with the ball. ben arfa was collecting balls in his own half and that is not his job. either we replace average players with quality or players like krul, colo, sissoko, ben arfa, cabaye and cisse are wasting there time here.

  • 22 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:31 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie
    Right our defence is a shambles any team with width kills us – dead easy to get past us down the flanks central defender and full backs acres of space between them – attack with full back and winger. Either full back or winger goes wide slip the ball between full back and central defender player runs on – whoopee space to burn.

  • 23 Ben3arfa // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:32 AM

    RIP NUFC

    May Ashley and Kinnear follow suit

  • 24 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    Assam,
    Sissoko made only 42 passes, 33 of which were accurate, at a completion rate of 78.6%. Tiote on the other hand made 75 passes, 64 of which were completed for a completion rate of 85.3%.

  • 25 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    But isn’t it funny or even sad maybe that a defense consisting of:

    Debuchy – Colo – Saylor – M’Biwa

    is that bad; and Pardew is even suppose to be a defense trainer???

    The saddest thing is that you could even change some of these players for better and it would still be as bad!

  • 26 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:40 AM

    Charlie,
    It is all stuff that should and could be sorted by management and coaching staff on the training ground. It was all to easy for City. Yes they are a good side, filled with good players but we allowed them to do whatever they wanted.

  • 27 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 AM

    Jesper,
    As I said, it isn’t just the personnel, it is the organisation. Each of them seems only interested in themselves not making errors that as a unit they are constantly all over the place.

  • 28 bills-son // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:43 AM

    Lil,

    You are right, we don’t defend as a unit.

    Defending starts from the front, forwards closing down defenders (Cisse doesn’t), wide players stopping FB runs (HBA doesn’t), CM pressing the ball (Tiote and Sissoko were no where near it last night) – all of that allows the oppo to stroll into the last third in numbers overpowering the defence – exactly what happened last night and exactly what happened time and again last season.

    The other thing that runs throughout the team is a lack of power and aggression and fist shaking leadership. We are pushovers at times, especially away from home, as just two away wins last season showed.

    I try to keep a sense of perspective about things but the glaring weaknesses in this squad are really starting to brass me off – watching our games is liking watching The Great Escape, you know exactly where it is all going to go wrong before it even starts.

  • 29 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:43 AM

    Last time we were thumped 4-0 on the opening day we were relegated…. (I’m sure someone will have pointed this out already)

  • 30 Schwefelberg // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:44 AM

    I wonder what is Carr’s mind now. All his air time and hotels and red eye. The detailed logs he must keep. The contacts. All his sweat for nothing.

  • 31 Pokat // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:45 AM

    If only life was long enough to read all the drivel on here but sadly, jeffs comment was enough for me this morning. Taylor had a nightmare before going off cut short his misery, and Dummett should play from the off in the 2 games I’ve seen him. Jeff, where do you get your match reports from?

    It was less about lack of skill more about desperately poor attitude last night.

  • 32 toonbrother // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:45 AM

    THis blog (and DUMB fans in general) seems to rotate blame for our abysmal displays around the defenders and Tiote taking care to avoid the one constant in all these bloodbaths – Coloshitty. These defensive collapses have been happening for ages. He’s been partnered with Taylor, Williamson, Mbiwa and Perch the result remains the same yet fans are far too dumb to put 2 and 2 together

  • 33 leeb1982 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:46 AM

    Scary to think some people wanna give this idiot till xmas.(we’s will take the game game to them and give it a go). B@llocks. The bloke has no tactical sense whatsofuckingever and then has the cheek to slam arsenal for making a bid for a player who he has put in the shop window all summer. And on cabaye if the prick can’t get his head in the right place because a bid has came in for him then he can do one asap. The cheek of the c@# t to applaud fans when they sing don’t sell cabaye and go on in interviews how amazing fans are yet he can’t get his head on a game because of a bid was made for him. Well the arsehole should be left to rot in the reserves and really f@co up his hopes for the world cup and give his place in the squad to a player who cares and outshone him in pre season. Gosling. F@ck off cabaye

  • 34 tjrowe89 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM

    Most worrying about the performance is the players looked as if that was mid season and nothing to play for, not season opener! No work ethic, no togetherness, we need players desperately!!! Saylor before his red was having a mare he isn’t good enough, Ashley won’t buy now but will panic buy in jan to keep us up!

  • 35 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    Lilongwe…that is probably true; and the way we set out to play we just pilled the pressure on our defense on and on again!

    …did anyone see how bad we were at counter attacking – and our whole tactic was based around it – Citeh were much better at counter attacking and they were playing a high line and closing us down (they wouldn’t even need to counter attacking us)

    Tactically I had no idea what’s going on in Pardew’s head! It’s mind blowing at times.

  • 36 Clematis // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    Absolutely gutted. But knew I would be anyway. Just didn’t think I’d feel that way at 8.02pm.

    I have never seen such ineptitude; my 5 year old daughter could control the ball better than Tiote.

    I’m not a fan of 3-5-2/5-3-2 but – with no natural wingers – it would be the only option to play to Santon/Debuchy’s strengths; cos they can’t defend for sh!t.

    If Remy is fit on Saturday, we win. If not, we lose; Barfa can’t carry this bag o’ sh!te on his own.

  • 37 geordie157 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    I’d like a couple of british players to come in, trippier at right back and will Hughes if possible.

    Every time I see debuchy he looks uninterested and makes poor decisions.

    The one plus point was dummett who did well vs navas and still managed to get forward. Hope he starts on sat.

  • 38 Klatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    FACT, he was responsible for 3 of their goals and He’s been worrying for a while now. Santon RB and Dummet LB for Saturday…it might even help out our winger deficiencies as both are decent going forward and for once we’ll have a player on the left flank who can ACTUALLY whip a cross in!!!

  • 39 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:50 AM

    Lilongwe
    I don’t think the management and coaching staff have a clue on what to do.
    Same faults as last year – they have had 3 months to sort it.

    Don’t attack as a unit
    Don’t defend as unit

    Teams know how to play us – slip ball between full back and central defenders – whoopee space to burn.

    Sadly I have come to the conclusion Pardew and his coaching staff have to go.

    Need new manager a staff with new ideas/different approach to the game.

    AND NOT KINNEAR

  • 40 toonbrother // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:50 AM

    Mark my words until Coloshitty leaves this club or Pardumb wisens up and leaves his dumb ass on the bench, the team will continue to be a relegation candidate.

  • 41 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    I don’t know if it’s a any comfort, but we are rock bottom of the league!

    …so the only way is up :D (it cannot get worse from here lol)

  • 42 valle // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    It was a worrying display from quite a few players… Taylor, Cisse and yes Debuchy. What scares me the most is that 2 of those players have been brought here tom improve us. Cisse is not a bad player, but he is a poacher that dosnt offer much else than good finishing, in a midtable club like ours, that is a luxury we cant afford.

  • 43 leeb1982 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    To think some lunatics wanna give this tactically inept idiot till xmas(god help us). And cabaye can p1ss off too. Applauds fans when they sing the don’t sell cabaye song and gives interviews on how amazing we are. Yet can’t play a game because a bids been put in. B@llocks. I’d let him rot in reserves n ruin his world cup hopes. Give his place to Gosling who has a bit bottle and has outclassed him in preseason. And pardwho has the cheek slam arsenal for the timing of their bid when all summer he has put him in the shop window

  • 44 Assam Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    Lilongwe, your stat reminds me that stats are like bikinis, hides the important and reveals the unimportant.
    sissoko has a far better first touch, he is much more composed. Tiote doesn’t seeem to know where to pass, these days. He is great when he is on song. Most of his passes were bail outs while sissoko seems to atleast initiate or continue a run. stats wont tell u that.

  • 45 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    Klatoon

    Santon made 4 assists last season, he is LB and we were very poor last season. The winger in front of him should have made more assists.

  • 46 toonbrother // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    Now its poor debuchy and Taylor. Previously we couldnt wait to ship Simpson out. Before that Santon was the fall guy and before him Williamson. In the absence of any obvious scape goat,Tiote will do. Countdown to the constant demonization of Mbiwa begins. Meanwhile the one CONSTANT in our CONSTANTL- bad defence the defence is hailed as a hero because he controls the ball well. Never mind the fact he folds EVERY FuUCKING time we get put under a sustained spell of pressure. You couldnt make it up.

  • 47 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Charlie,
    Like I said to Sydney, he seems to be hoping that these problems are sorted by Saturday, why would that happen when it hasn’t in near 3 years.

    Problem is, if Pardew went, is there any confidence from fans that Ashley will make an appointment based on football, and not the bottom line or a friendship? I can’t see it at the minute. Mick Harford, Peter Beardsley, Wise?? None good enough, but I’m sure a fair number of fans would be fooled by a Beardsley appointment.

  • 48 stan anderson // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    Pardew can certainly make excses cant he.Did Arsenal make the offer to the club or did they make it to the player himself which would be in breach of the laws.So we tell the player he is moving and take him out of the team to protect him from injury,sounds about right to me.Good management to safeguard our investment eh!
    Got to get real with this bunch of Cockney Bas—ds and let them know our feelings and make some sort of demonstation.

  • 49 sparky55 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    I’m no longer embarrassed and angry…I’ve had time to reflect on a few things….my Kharma is good and am now in a position to argue my points with a sense of reason and rationale…

    SACK THE USELESS PEICE OF SH!T…GIVE DEBUCHY BACK ON A FREE…LEAVE TAYLOR TO ROT IN RESERVES FOR 6 MONTHS…YOU’RE ALL A BUNCH OF USELESS TW@TS

  • 50 toonbrother // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Now its poor debuchy and Taylor who get the blame. Previously we couldnt wait to ship Simpson out. Before that Santon was the fall guy and before him Williamson. In the absence of any obvious scape goat,Tiote will do. Countdown to the constant demonization of Mbiwa begins. Meanwhile the one CONSTANT in our CONSTANTLY- bad defence is hailed as a hero because he controls the ball well. Never mind the fact he folds EVERY FuUCKING time we get put under a sustained spell of pressure. You couldnt make it up.

  • 51 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:01 AM

    Jesper

    Can I wish for 5 losing streak before we climb up?
    I’m hoping pardew will get sacked after losing 5 games

  • 52 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:02 AM

    Lil
    Please no one with links to the TOON.
    New brush to sweep away the crap we serve up at the minute

  • 53 sa80teur // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:03 AM

    Toonbrother – you just did.

    And there’s no need for the language. Try and express your childish views without the swearing.

  • 54 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    Assam,
    Stats also tell me that Sissoko only ran with the ball once. Hardly a demonstration of his ability to “initiate or continue a run”.

    Tiote isn’t in the team to carry the ball forward or attack. He is in there to win it and play it simply to allow someone else to do that. A job he does superbly when allowed to do that. Unfortunately these players who are meant to carry the ball, Sissoko, HBA, and Guttierrez, were all very poor last night. HBA had one good moment, but Goofy was offside. Sissoko, did very little all game.

  • 55 nut meg // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    repost
    We’ve lost the same as all the other clubs who didn’t win a game this week-end …….3 POINTS. Cabaye & every other player were bought cheap to sell at a big profit………we all KNOW that.We may be a ok team but we’ll never be a great one as long as this club is run by Ashley because we don’t buy the type of players we really need,we buy decent cheap players who we can sell at a good profit.We need this type of player for starters.

    http://www.football-oranje.com/eredivisie-player-of-round-3-dusan-tadic/

  • 56 valle // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    sa80teur… Ignore him mate, he is clearly a pimple faced punk on a wind-up.

  • 57 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:12 AM

    I really hope JK interfere with team tactics and coaching now.

  • 58 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:12 AM

    Assam,
    I’m not arguing that Sissoko isn’t a good player, he is used wrong in our system. My point is that Tiote isn’t what you say. Tiote was the better of the 2 last night. But that doesn’t say much as he should be when we are constantly on the back foot.

  • 59 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:13 AM

    Santon…you can start to wish for a new owner ;)

    …I know I am because the would mean bye bye to the three Brits at the top ruining this fine club!

  • 60 yorkymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:13 AM

    There were lots of very poor performances against a very good side .
    The way we played in the first half was naive in the extreme ,ok we lost an early goal but no need to go all out attack after 5 mins
    For me thou colo was awful showed poor leadership no control and chased lost causes wasting energy and surrendering field position .
    I do think that we are viewing him thou rose coloured specs ,I don’t think he is up to it,no leadership on the field,and he has lost his pace.
    We need a couple of real leaders a la Barton Nolan caroll type otherwise the red mist will decend every time something goes against us .
    Talyor simply daft but prior to that could easily have had the young French defender sent off but for a very generous ref .
    I am resigned to much of the same until we get a coach/ manager who is capable of establishing respect

  • 61 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:13 AM

    *the = that

  • 62 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    jesper

    no no no, wish for pardew out first. if we wish for MA out then we still stuck with pardew.
    get pardew out then see what happen first, if it’s still stink then yes for new owner :P

  • 63 nut meg // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:18 AM

    Sparky55 @ 47

    There you go again..mincing your words.. just SPIT IT OUT MAN & say what ya mean.lol ……i agree

  • 64 HullMag6 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    New deal for Arsene take cabs and debs for £25 mil or £15 and the Ox.

    New cm for us anita and socks
    Benny and the ox attacking

  • 65 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    Hull,
    The Ox is out for anywhere between 3 months and the rest of the season depending on which report you read…

  • 66 sparky55 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    NUTMEG :-)

    Feel so much better after that! :-)

    I am at peace with the world once again …until Fat Sam embarrasses us again that is!

  • 67 Assam Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    lilongwe, i was shaking my head on a few occasions when tiote would lose the ball or make a meaningless pass. u were right, sissoko was bad too, its just that he looks assured when he passes the ball around. but what the point of arguing with u or someone else when its the team that has let us down. gutted…
    we can come up with a thousand theories but i think it is obvious now that a change of manager can do wonders. not even an ounce of improvement during the pre season. the players are good, the team at the moment isn’t.

  • 68 Cool Hand Luke // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    HullMag6, not a bad suggestion that.

  • 69 tooned in // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    Am I the only one that thought Dummett looked class last night – some pace and blocked three or four Jesus crosses?

    My back four

    Santon – MYM – Colo – Dummett / Haidara

    Still think we need right winger in Ince / Sinclair or Thuaran mould

    And if we sell cabaye I think we won’t replace him

    Do we think Debuchy was depressed that his Bessie will be leaving him !!!

  • 70 Jonny // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    The way dummet defended against navas was outstanding!

  • 71 sparky55 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    sometimes even Carr can get it wrong.

    Debuchy will still want to be Frances right back for the world cup but he won’t hold onto that position playing like that and playing for newcastle…he’ll be gone in a flash…you can tell he’s not a happy bunny and regrets coming here…so ship him out, put Santon at right back, Dummett at left back, colo and Mbiwa in the middle and build from there.

  • 72 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    I think the team will play better if we have more youngsters at starting line up.
    Vuckic, Dummet, Streete, Bigi, Inman. They have the right motivation to do well and they will give their best.

  • 73 Howden Mag // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    I believe we started with a 433 formation. Cisse and Goufran were closing down well. City were too good down the wings lot of pressure and Pardew reverted to 442. We did pass the ball better than last season but generally beaten by a far better team. Taylor was shocking and deserved the red. Debuchy, well we wanted him here and Simpson out, got what we asked for. The second half was always going to be difficult. I’m pleased we don’t play them again away. Looks like we won’t win the league then. Oh bye bye Cabaye. Looking forward to Saturday. HWTL.

  • 74 yorkymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:34 AM

    Debuchy was poor no debate
    But I am sure he feels let down by the broken promises and ambition promised and not delivered
    We had a potentially great team 2 seasons ago but sold our best players and bought average
    No excuses for the players but not the greatest backdrop to an ambitious footballer
    It’s simply on he’ll of a mess

  • 75 Toon73 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:34 AM

    Percy holding out hope the players will perform because “it’s a WC year”.

    What a door knob.

  • 76 yorkymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:35 AM

    Sorry
    One hell of a mess
    Indeed

  • 77 BuckLuck // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:35 AM

    Pardew did try to play it on the deck though. I’ll give him that. He just failed badly! He showed us that he doesn’t know how to balance a ball playing side.

    I tipped Pardew for the sack in oktober but I actually think it will be mid september now. We are perhaps slightly better than the worst teams in the league with Pardew as manager, but with a decreasing performance curve under Pardew we could implode. That is pretty sad when every fool can see that our squad is top 10 at least.

    I do not want to see Taylor and Debuchy as starters again if we can avoid it. Tiote is Tiote from last season and must be dropped too. He is so slow closing down, spins like a ballerina and makes aweful decisions.
    Santon RB
    Mbiwa CD
    Dummet/Haidara LB
    Anita DCM

    And yeah… use all the money we’ve got on a new manager and a backroom staff please. And while you’re at it Ashley… sell up!

  • 78 toon22 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:35 AM

    Yer agree Debuchy has looked terrible of late.Might be worth playing Dummet but it also might be worth getting our fullbacks to just defend and not try to win us games for a while.
    Just go back to playing as a back for and defend as a unit would be nice.

  • 79 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    The result was as expected. It’s never good to be bottom of the league but it’s a lot better on the first day than the last day.

    What I would like to know is who withdrew Cabaye. Was it Pardew or was it Cabaye himself? These players like to think of themselves as professionals so why didn’t he play. If you get offered a new job you don’t suddenly stop working for your current employer.

  • 80 SwedishMagpieInCA // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    Feel like I just watched a different game than most on here. I saw a City that were extremely impressive! One of the better performances I’ve seen by a football team. They played like champions and if they keep this up they will pick many more teams apart this year. Our boys tried to play football in that first half and I’m proud we didn’t just park the bus like many teams will.
    The first goal is an unlucky deflection, the second one is a masterpiece with no defender to be blamed, the third one also a masterpiece. The fourth is obviously poor defending and communication from Mbiwa, Colo and Debuchy.
    As for Debuchy, I thought he was one of our better players. He made a lot of important interceptions in the back all throughout the game and had many good runs in the offensive play.
    Let’s not panic after one defeat but stand behind the lads come Saturday!
    /HWTL

  • 81 tooned in // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    Also … Why could I not switch off TV last night even though it was so tough to watch !!!

    My major observation is we struggle with 4-3-3 as we get sucked in and hba left Debuchy exposed – and he needs help (lots of it!)

    I think we will look better with 4-4-1-1with santon and Ince (if we get him) on right and Dummett Haidara and Marv / Jona’s left

    Sissy / Tiote and Anita to run CM

    Hba / Vuckic in 10 role

    Cissy / a n other up front

    We will be less ripped apart down the flanks ??

  • 82 cockneymafiaout // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    people used to always get on santons case saying that he was a poor defender and some people still do. Am sorry but what I have seen of Debuchy so far (a full french international) he is the most over rated right back I have seeb for a long time, while as I think Santon is the most underrated, he brings more than debuchy both defensively and attacking.

  • 83 yorkymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    Slant
    It was arsen wenger!!

  • 84 catchy in norway // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    can anyone tell me what lessons we learnt from last season

    are we fitter ??? no

    are we playing our best players in there best postion ?? no

    can the manager change things ?? no

    there might as well been no break this summer, we are no different,

    1st game of the season . so there was no excuse for not chasing the ball or closing them down, infact this game should have been the best prepared game we have, he has had weeks to sort a plan out

    but what did we get,

    cisse isolated

    HBÀ our only threat

    goofy LAZZY,

    taylor just plane stupid, he could have given away 3 pens yesterday

  • 85 thai-mag // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    well at least we got our name in the record books yesterday, it’s the biggest first day thrashing since the premier league started, I think we might well break a few more records before this season is over

  • 86 JAMSHA // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:41 AM

    TEAM FOR HAMMERS

    ———————- KRUL———————–

    Mibwa————Willo——Colo————Dumit

    Hba————–sissoko–Tiote————Marv

    ———————Cabaye———————–

    ———————-Gofo/Remy if Fit————–

  • 87 yorkymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:41 AM

    Hba is a luxury we can’t afford he does not work hard enough great on the ball but greedy and not desire to track back

  • 88 savio // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:42 AM

    The problem here is pardew…he has to go…i was someone who was ready to give him time till november….i have never ever seen him send a team for attacking…any defense in the world will crack if they are put under constant pressure…and defending is the duty of the entire team….we give our opposition team far to much time to build from the back…i just cant 1 good touch made by cisse yesterday…this formation clearly doesnt suit him…i hope the fans realise that we need to take some action agaisnt this sit management….really hope we start boycotting

  • 89 sparky55 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:43 AM

    5-4-1 will work better with the full backs we have.

    Debuchy and Santon are raiders who often end up way past the half way line but with three centre halves in behind them we have more cover and the four in midfield can also track back.

    when we’re attacking we’re 3-4-3 and when defending 4-5-1

    Everyone’s tactics when playing the toon is all about luring the full backs up the park then putting their wingers in the hole behind them and that’s exactly what fat sam will do next weekend too.

  • 90 JAMSHA // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:43 AM

    sparky55

    debuchy was scouted by cabaye …. dnt blame carr

  • 91 south coast toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    we all new we would loose, but god only knows how we are going to stay up playin like that
    mistakes everywere before the game selling simpson for an overrated prat who cant defend and is surposed to be an international defender- no wonder france are rubbish
    no change in tactics
    cant defend as unit
    no real threat going forward
    cisse still isolated
    442
    an endless list
    predictions
    west ham will rip us to bits a different way next week beacause sam will have seen that and be telling joe cole, carrol nollan ect where to hit us
    fighting to stay 4 or 5th from bottom
    more excuses from pards
    we will all wish joe kinnear was manager
    chris hughton and big sam will be smiling at ashley come the end of this season
    negative no just trueful we will de attacked by everyteam we play against beacause we have no real threat going forward as bobby used to say im not worried how many go in at our end if more go in at the other- 1 would be nice lol

  • 92 sparky55 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    jamsha…not so sure about that…I’m pretty sure Carr had him on his radar and Cabaye was used to convince him to come

    Could be wrong though…that’s just how I remember it :-)

  • 93 cockneymafiaout // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    I agree with most of what you said catchy except I think it was a little harsh to call gouffran lazy, still dont think he is doing anything particularly great but compare him to cisse. Ed and lots of other fans were delighted when we kept cisse, while as I was devestated as if we sold him then we could actually get a forward like gomis (who may not be great but can atleast hold the ball up) instead of cisse and put him up top alngside remy. that would be a strike force to atleast test the opposition defence. Kompany should have played the rest of the game with a limp he still would have had cisse in his back pocket.

  • 94 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    south coast toon 100% agreed… i predict relegation to be honest.

  • 95 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    Cab for Cabaye!!
    Two very good articles in this mornings Journal from Mark Douglas – pulls no punches on the TOONs plight.

    Probs be banned from SJP now

  • 96 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    but we cant even HOLD THE DAMN ball lst night…it was sickening to watch….. and still no news on any signings nothing….

    I rekon the dark times are ahead again…its a sad sad sad sad tiem to be a nufc player. Losing was one thing but being humiliated like that is another.

  • 97 Jamiemac // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    One of the slowest full backs i’ve ever seen. Gets embarrassed and takes out the player when he gets skinned. Awful, just awful.

  • 98 obatoyou // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    guess Cabaye is leaving
    Arsenal don’t want him to play any game for us this season maybe for registration reasons
    or something like dat
    gayness
    why we sell
    they will offer more im sure tho, then we better get someone else

  • 99 geordie157 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    Splash the cash and get trippier and byram down the right. The latter is unlikely but trippier wouldn’t cost too much.

  • 100 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:52 AM

    cockney @79

    totally agree
    Santon hardly ever lose the ball, he got caught out of position because the ball passed to him wasn’t good enough. How many games without Santon now? and How many have we conceded?

  • 101 catchy in norway // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    cockneymafiaout

    il defend my point on goofy

    cisse is nothing more than an out an out goal scorer, were as goofy should have more to his game,

    we kind of played 433, with goofy and HBA deployed as winger forwards, all goofy did was stay in the centre , did not make space , just sat and waited

    now look at man c, they showed us what movement was, on the night I thought dzeko was shit, but his movement was first class, he put in some effort,

    cisse tried , but he is not any good outside the box,,
    I honestly think that if cisse had good service, he would get 20-30 a season, but its hard when the closest player to you is on the half way line

  • 102 JAMSHA // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:56 AM

    sparky55

    dnt wory debuchy will soon be in the list of worst buys for us along side gr8 bumbal…. xiso…etc :|

    all u lads out der need to boycot or a big protest…. this is the moment .. now or never…. an we see our self in league 2….. we need to hit ashely hard…. its time to teach him a lesson…. no more forgiveness…. jst leave the club…. u 52,000 fans fill sjp… an say get behind the player… but in return u get nothing…. i say… jst boycot…. doesnt matter if it effects the players…. we fans deserve best…. no matter hw bad times comes… we fans still stick togather n u 52,000 army fill sjp… even when things are worst than ever… time to destroy ashely an co…. waste no time lads jst do it or we may neva see epl again

  • 103 Rainrix // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:56 AM

    Thai… No it wasn’t, you have a short memory if you think thats true. Swansea beat qpr 5 nil last season on the opening day :|

  • 104 cbtoon82 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    It’s simple the players lack the motivation to play for Pardew. There was no shape or structure to the team from kick off. We were always going to get hammered. I’d love to know what the hell goes on at the training ground, not a lot judging by last nights performance. New signings won’t make a bit of difference. Pardew has got to go. it was clear last season that the team had lost confidence in him. I’m honestly starting to think, dare I say it, that kinnear might even do a better job.

    As for cabaye, I’m not sure why people are annoyed at him, he’d be fantastic in a team like arsenal, playing under wenger who knows a tactic or two…if I was him I’d bite wengers hand off to get out of this club. Why would you stay to play for Pardew who has no clue what he is doing??? Good luck to him.

  • 105 lochinvar // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    When they scored their second no-one tried to get to the far post in anticipation of a predictable shot there so that showed a lack of commitment and fitness, probably both. We vacated the space between half way and our penalty box which gave them so much space and options to run into space against a static defence. So many of our attacking moves and weak shots (Cisse) rebounding off close marking defenders bounce back into midfield allowing opposition to pick up loose ball and hit us on the counter attack and score or gain territory. This shows a lack of nouse and ability to think about the consequences of giving the ball away when we are stretched going forward – do they not “think” about the basics ? Is it beyond our coaches to instill some thought and intelligence into how we play ?

  • 106 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    Catchy,
    Goofy stayed in the centre because we lined up 442, as Pards has said we will play 2 up front this season.

  • 107 Indian Magpie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    Catchy

    I tht Gouffran Did well for the 44 mins he was on the pitch.

  • 108 Toonfan8 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:03 AM

    If Cabaye wants to go, then sell him to PSG….not for money but for Sakho and Menez…they wont play there much and want move…buy Mc Carthy/Eriksen and Ince…
    out…Cabaye
    in…Sakho,Menez,Mc Carthy,Ince…spend 15M
    team
    ………….Krul
    MYM..Colo..Sakho..Santon
    ….Mc Carthy..Sissoko
    HBA…Menez….Ince
    ………..Remy……….
    and also sack Pardew and bring Hiddink…never going to happen, but what team should this be with good manager

  • 109 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:03 AM

    My take on the individual performances:

    Krul – Kept us from a cricket score. Looks good

    Debuchy – Is the French national squad so devoid of talent that the only player they have at right back is him as he doesn’t look anything like an international player. Perhaps Santon should take over, when fit.

    Taylor – Terrible. Deserved the red card. He is a cheat.

    Colo – Kept his cool and had to cope and shore up the defence due to the failings of his fellow defenders.

    Mbiwa – Was poor at the start due to the way City played down his flank. It needed a formation change and Jonas to help him out. He got better as the game went on. Better centre half than left back.

    Dummitt – He did well. He deserves to play more games.

    Tiote – He missed having Cabaye alongside him but kept it together and didn’t get booked unlike some of his team mates.

    Sissoko – A real disappointment. Very poor. Almost anonymous. I thought we had bought a mountain of a man but sadly it looks like we have a mouse of a man. Should have been substituted by Marveaux.

    Jonas – Worked hard as usual. No complaints.

    Anita – He tried but it was too late the damage had already been done. Is he a suitable replacement for Cabaye, not sure.

    Ben Arfa – Was always a threat. Great to watch.

    Cisse – Had no service. Tried his best but he needs service. The City defence had him in their pocket.

    Goofy – Ran around a lot but was ineffective. Was also in the City pocket. Get fit quick Remy you are desperately needed.

    Sammy – He tried but he was almost triple marked at times and there was little or no outlet up front for him.

  • 110 saxonfenken // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    The usual amount of rubbish again on here, Get real we were beaten by a team of 30million + players, whose class shone way above our 8million players. they are likely champions, as Chelsea and Man U are, who both showed that they were way above the class of there competitors.
    Save your rants for when we lose to teams of the same quality as us.
    I remember how Simpson was slated on here constantly, and how all you experts cried out for Debuchy, Well I can never remember Simpson playing as badly as he did last night, [petulant, out of position, passing abysmal, out classed].
    The 90mill City payed for four players would have bought our whole team. there was players on there bench who we could not even pay the wages to, And yet we are supposed to go and attack attack attack, when it is obvious that we are being over run and pressed back into our own half, by slick one twos and off the ball running.
    How do you think Swansea fans think, they were looking for a great season yet get beaten at home 1-4, after spending a lot of money.
    Now I am not happy about the way we play, or the result last night. but I like to think that I am rational and a realist.

  • 111 sparky55 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM

    you couldn’t blame anyone for wanting to leave newcastle right now and after last nights performance I wouldn’t be too upset if most of them left anyway…however the big problem we have now is it’s JFK’s job to convince potential targets to join the club.

    He’s proven useless at doing that before last night…but after last nights performance he’ll find it impossible for sure.

    We have become the poison chalice club again and the team no-one wants to join…that performance last night means three leaving before the window closes and lucky if we get one coming in.

    Thauvin is our only hope

  • 112 Indian Magpie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM

    Anyways

    What has gone as gone.

    How will we change it?

    next 12 days (including this one) are crucial. I bet we can sign 3-4 players, Just cannot trust Joe Kinnear and his ability.

    Personally, would be okay with just the managerial change.

  • 113 JAMSHA // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM

    Toonfan8

    with hiddink we could win the league with that team

  • 114 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:07 AM

    Toonfan

    Menez can play both LW and RW at Roma, I never seen him play at PSG tbh.
    maybe switch HBA behind Cisse and Menez as RW.

  • 115 Schwefelberg // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:10 AM

    I don’t think Ashley will be bothered by this defeat.

    It’s already in his model that we lose to the top 6 home and away Why should he care. With the relegation payments he’s built in a kind of arbitrage at the club. It looks as though he’s even trying to extend this model in Scotland now.

  • 116 NUFC_CHX // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:10 AM

    Firstly, away from home against far stronger opposition we Should be playing 4-4-2 Shola up top. He might not get goals but hes a release, a target man. In games like last night you need relief evry now and again, someone to bring it down, hold it, then lay it off to wingers. Every other team can go away from and defend, we always go for it (look at Arsenal and Man U last year). Secondly, as Soon as things start to go wrong Pardew went back to playing players out of position. We need to get back to basics, 4-4-2 with players in their right positions. Sissoko is a central midfielder and the first 25mins playing there he did well. Tiote needs to be dropped, Anita is simply not good enough, the game passes him by. Lets hope Pards goes for it against West Ham.
    Cisse Gouffran
    Marvaeux Sissoko Cabaye BenArfa
    Dummet Collocini Yanga Debuchy
    Krul

  • 117 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    saxonfenken

    we already know we will get beaten, actually I predicted 3-0 but I will take 4-0 with 10men.
    But the way we lose is the problem, and the excuses after that which I can’t take.

  • 118 JAMSHA // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    Indian Magpie

    can we hold a peacfull protest in mumbai….to get m.a out of the club…. o we could beg to ambani to buy our club… m sure 400 mil is ntg to him if he can own a 24 floor flat

  • 119 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Jamsha

    It’s called begging not protest :P

  • 120 SharpEnough23 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    The team has no belief, and that is down to Pardew I knew we would lose but I was hoping for a bit of fight

    apart from krul dummett and Ben arfa, nobody on that pitch deserved to wear that shirt

  • 121 SuperShearer // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Am sure to be slated for saying this….and while for 95% of last night we were poor…..there were moments when the football we were trying to play looked promising. Only when we panic does it go aerial otherwise it was on the ground, looking to ping the ball into feet. Problem was we didn’t look match sharp, City bossed us and put us under a lot of pressure when we had the ball and so they deserved their convincing victory. But, against a lesser team and with a bit of drilling on the training pitch we MIGHT play some good football this season. That said, some of the performances last night were nothing short of horrible.

  • 122 renzo // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    I dont post much but what I saw the most worrying yesterday is Tiote. People can slate Debuchy Anita and Guti but the real problem is the bad form of tiote. His only quality is winning the ball and a simple pass to the play maker- that is what he did so well in the first season. Dribbling and long passes are not his qualities. It is a travesty that he is still playing when he is so evidently ineffective. What really frustrated me yesterday was that he didnt get a yellow card and didnt substituted. That speaks a lot on the lack of intensity in his game yesterday. I think Anita should play very deep as an anchor man in front of a back 3 or 4. Unfortunately, Pardew does not consider alternatives to either formation or players. I know, it is easy to speak after the game and judge, but, yet again, we wasted another preseason doing the same shite and not experimenting. rant over!

  • 123 Toonfan8 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Hiddink, now he is out of Machackala, but Ashley want muppet Pardew, because Hiddink isnt yes man….
    Santon03
    yes maybe switch Menez for HBA and play him as RW and HBA as n. 10…
    good second team
    MYM…Colo…Sakho…Santon
    ………Mc Carthy..Sissoko
    Menez….HBA……Ince
    ………….Remy…………..
    ………………………………….
    Dummet..Saylor.Willo.Haidara
    ……..Tiote…..Anita……..
    Gouffran.Vuckic..Marveaux
    ……………Cisse………..
    and give Debuchy with Cabaye to PSG :)

  • 124 fray bentos // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    @saxonfenken 107

    Within the crowds of morons that is this blog, a beacon of hope

    Good rational post

  • 125 toonbrother // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Every Fuuucking day. I dream of a Coloshitty and Pardullard free NUFC Every Fuuucking day

  • 126 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Saxon @ 103

    You are absolutely right.

    Man City are a team of expensive thoroughbreds bankrolled by a country Abu Dhabi. We can’t compete with them on and off the pitch. Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea are in a class of their own. They are at the top table. We will not be the last to be turned over, in some style, by Man City this season.

  • 127 stan anderson // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM

    I honestly cant fathom how anyone can want JFK involved in any way shape or form.If that is true i feel we will just continue to be shat upon,but from a higher point.Please get real will you,the man is only there as the fat controllers sidekick,to put the pressure on the existing buffoon in charge of the team.God help us with people asking for him to take control,he already failed man.

  • 128 saxonfenken // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    Santon03
    All managers make excuses, Football talk,
    how many times do you hear the same ones [excuses] being trolled out after every game. Pardew is no different to 90% of them.
    What do you expect him to say, we learn’t a lot from that game. We got a lot of positives out of it, We have got to defend better. etc
    Same old same old. Why should he be any different.

  • 129 nut meg // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM

    Lilo
    Do you have any stats on HBApassing last night ? A lot of people on here thought he played well, I thought he was his greedy brainless old self.

  • 130 toonbrother // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    lol at all the central defensive permutations being bandied around all involving coloshitty. Now its Sakho who’s the missing link. I seem to remember the same dumb fans pining for Taylor during the first half of last season insisting Williamsson was the reason our defence was so bad. When will fans understand you can partner colocinni with Baresi + Lothar Mathaues + Rio Ferdinand in their respective primes and it will be the same result. Put lipstick on a pig and you have a pig with lipstick. Get rid of Coloshitty and our fortunes will turn around

  • 131 martoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Slank & saxonfenken – the only sane posts on here. No one is going to shine when you are being pasted and down to 10 men – let’s see what happens on Saturday.

  • 132 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Stan

    You want to watch last season showing again? any changes are welcome even from JK. I don’t want to watch boring tactics over and over the whole season.
    Plus it might irritated pardew and make him resign, then get new manager in. It couldn’t get any worse than pardew.

  • 133 Sydney Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    I’m not overly fussed over Debuchy’s form, more concerned with Tiote and Anita. Both need to be able to come in and be good from the start or bench. Neither were.
    Debuchy needs a crash course TV session of Neville, Cafu and current players Zabaleta, Walker, Arbeloa etc, maybe we should look into Sebastian Corchia or Micah Richards?

  • 134 Santon03 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    Saxon

    new one from him: 3 days planning for the game is ruin by Arsenal bid for Cabaye.

  • 135 Cool Hand Luke // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    We looked like we were playing with 10 men before Taylor even got sent off, such was the gulf in movement of the two teams. Shocking stuff.

  • 136 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    I new we’d get ripped apart. We’re in for a long hard season. I can’t understand people who think we have a good squad,

  • 137 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    It’s funny whoever it was who said what Pardew’s excuses would be this time called it to the letter.

    The funny thing is NUFC announced the Cabaye bid not Arsenal – go figure!!

    NUFC could have waited to go public but obviously want the deal to be done and I think Pardew dost protest too much.

    Yes Debuchy is a worry but he may be in mourning for his pal. However, he’s not half as much a worry as Saylor.
    Poor positioning , very slow, frequent use of arms, shirt pulling and sneaky but obvious fouls he thinks the refs don’t see. Relief he’s out for 3 games now hopefully and no I don’t want Willo either.

    Also how on any planet does Sameobi get on ahead of Marveaux. Even Pardew’s biggest fans can’t explain that one away.

    This very good squad will ge t dismantled before having the chance to show up under a good manager and coaching staff.

  • 138 numba9 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    3rd biggest supported club in England with a 3rd division owner tells you were its going wrong add to that the disrespect he has for our history and legends the finger should be pointed firmly at him not his Muppets he is on the take constantly and gives back nothing

  • 139 saxonfenken // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Santon03

    Yeh!!!! that was new, perhaps the others will take that one up

  • 140 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Nut meg,
    He made 25 passes, 88% of which went to one of our players (22/25). He made 3 successful dribbles.

    Interestingly Debuchy made more tackles than any other player and made the joint most interceptions. Taylor and Dummet did not make a single successful tackle. Nor did Colo…. (According to EPL index and Opta)

  • 141 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    Cool hand luke

    The pass and moving is non existent with us. Yes a bit less hoof ball now but still players are isolated and no one running beyond the man with the ball.

    1-2’s, triangles, overlapping etc are basic drills which we just don’t see in any of our play as we are so disjointed.

  • 142 toonbrother // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:29 AM

    if pardumb had a brain he would have noticed Colocinni is better suited to playing defensive midfield not central defence. Unfortunately putting pardumb and brain in the same sentence is a heinous crime in itself

  • 143 NUFCarter // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gSFEaI4HdA

    This is what we need. someone to stand up to the club on a viral video in the hope it can go straight to Mike Ashley’s thick head.

  • 144 Booney // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    I would go as far as saying last night was one of the worst displays I have seen from Newcastle for a long time. I am sick and tired of it. People paying good money to watch there team the players don’t seem to care or have a clue what there job is on the pitch. If something isn’t working then change it, why haven’t last seasons issues been rectified? There is no connection from the midfield to the forward line and this will not change against West Ham. If we lose V West Ham something has to be done NOW better the fans make there feelings known early on in the season. Yes this will make the situation worse but we need change NOW. Everything still feels like last season tactics formations morale its an absolute joke. If I hear Pardew make one more excuse I will literally go insane.

  • 145 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    Rotondo
    Taylor would sell him now absolute liability – hope never to see him in a TOON shirt again – Rather have Williamson – not great but does a job

  • 146 NUFCarter // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    Lilo

    I seem to remember very well that Dummett made two brilliant slide tackles against Jesus Navas after keeping PACE with him

  • 147 Indian Magpie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Jamsha

    I am in delhi, so not possible for me to come to Mumbai. :(

  • 148 fray bentos // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Why do certain posters persist that we have a ‘very good’ squad! I think it quite obvious we don’t, yes we have a few good players but doesn’t every average side in the league, many of them are overrated and lets be honest if they were so good how did we get them in the first place rather than your Arsenal’s or Chelsea’s

    Disclaimer; This statement by no means suggests that I believe Pardew is some sort of mastermind manager who is let down by poor players, that’s Is not my view before anyone jumps on it

  • 149 NUFCarter // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    I think Pardew and the team deserve an absolute Bollocking from JFK

  • 150 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    nut meg @ 125

    Yes, Ben Arfa is often criticized for trying to take on too many players and hogging the ball. This is his way of playing and I’m sure many of us wouldn’t have it any other way.

    Such is his reputation that he is often confronted by at least two players but that means at least one defender has been pulled out of position, giving opportunities to others. I would always play him.

  • 151 Indian Magpie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:35 AM

    Team I Will play against the Hammers

    Krul
    Santon (if Fit or Debuchy) Colo Yanga Dummett

    Sissoko Anita Tiote (cabaye)

    HBA Cisse Marveaux (Gouffran/Vuckic)

  • 152 Toon73 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    Has Percy systematically coached the confidence out of this team???

  • 153 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    Sydney

    I always thought we should have gone for the younger Corchia over Debuchy. Debuchy took too long to get here and was obviously brought in to placate Cabaye – that worked!

    TBF Debuchy’s strength is attacking if and when Pardew ever lets him off the leash.

  • 154 Indian Magpie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    For all those who pointed out

    That we got Cabs for 5 million etc etc

    and liverpool paid 15 million for allen/downing henderson

    Take a look, at least they behave profesionally

  • 155 stan anderson // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    Sorry mate but the point is if we are not looking at the big picture we will never improve.The big picture being ,owned by a man who has no respect for our club or our history or our tremendous supporters,only here to make his shit 2nd rate SD co. seen by millions by cheap advertising.He will never get in the coaches we all crave at the toon,only yesmen and his pals,or has been or never were coaches.Yes i am a bitter man and that is why they will never get another penny out of me.I just wish thousands more would do the same thing,but that is not possible for most of you and you continue to take it and he will continue to give it.

  • 156 yorkymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    Slant
    The problem we have is that we only have one dangerous player benny so it is easy for others to gang up on him
    It will be interesting to see how this changes when remy is in the side

  • 157 Indian Magpie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    I WOULD RATHER HAVE GOSLING THAN TIOTE

  • 158 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    Lilongwe @ 140

    I and am sure others find that Stat had to believe.

    If I recall, the great Bobby Moore didn’t do many tackles because like Colo he read the game and intercepted the pass before it got to an opponent. I’m sure I saw Dummitt make a few tackles.

  • 159 Booney // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:41 AM

    One other point I have is Arsenals behaviour with the timing of the bid. I would say to them after your your unprofessional timing of the bid we wont sell him to you for any price go away. Not, oh yer you can have him for 20 mil!!! Tell Cabaye he’s not going and that’s that. Look at Liverpool and Tottenham and Man U with Rooney they just put there foot down and say NOOOOOOO.

  • 160 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:41 AM

    Carter,
    I remember them, Dummet slid and blocked the ball going into the box. Not tackled.

  • 161 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    Fray

    Just because Carr found them cheap, ie Cabaye now wanted by Arsenal for 3 x what we paid doesn’t mean we don’t have good players that we found before the big boys went in.

    You just know under a good manager this team is at least top 8 material. When you have a manager constantly lowering expectations that must get to the players as well.

  • 162 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM

    Booney

    As said NUFC went public on the bid, not Arsenal.
    NUFC obviously wanted the deal.

  • 163 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    Toon 73

    In a word YES!!!

  • 164 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    Indian @ 157

    Gosling is not a natural replacement for Tiote. They are totally different. Where Gosling would shine is in an advanced position between midfield and the forward line. He is good (possibly the best at the club) at getting up field very quickly into the penalty box.

  • 165 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    Slank,
    To be honest, I find it hard to believe. I’m not criticizing anyone in it. I wasn’t surprised about Taylor mind, he was one of our lowest tacklers on average last year. Found a third site which says exactly the same mind. 3 stats sites are unlikely to have got it wrong on that front.

    Like I said to Carter, I think Dummets were more blocks .

  • 166 Diggedydaws // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    Don’t know which game you’s were watchin BUT we were’nt playing 4-4-2.

    We were still cack tho! And City are very good.

  • 167 NUFCarter // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    Lilo
    oh right either way they were brilliant.

  • 168 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    Krul – Was simply outstanding, poor lad, made top save after top save only for the defence to continually hang him out to dry

    Debuchy – Shocking, must be taking the news his boyfriend is off really badly

    Taylor – Said all I have to say on this useless lump
    Give him away for all I care, never want to see this chest pumping idiot in a toon shirt again

    Colo – Done ok, but once again our backline was all over the shop
    He needs to get more vocal and start handing out some strong words when his backline our letting him down

    Mbiwa – Was poor at LB looked overwhelmed and uncomfortable looked much better at CB but by then we had 10 men and were being bombarded

    Dummett – Big future for this lad, the only one who looked like he wanted to be on the pitch

    Tiote – Awful

    Sissoko – Awful

    Jonas – Jonas carried on his pre season form, looked good shame he came off injured tbh, good game from guti

    Anita – Awful

    Ben Arfa – Absofcukinglutley fantastic last night!!! Need to keep him consistent this season going to need his creativity

    Cisse – No service and to be honest he didn’t look interested in the slightest

    Goofy – Forgot he was even on the pitch

    Sammy – Had no chance, played out of the game

    Pardew – Got it completley wrong, like lambs to the slaughter and really can’t see what’s changed from last season

  • 169 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    Martoon

    Please don’t use the down to 10 men excuse.
    Saylor got away with a cast iron pen which should have made it 3-0

  • 170 Indian Magpie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    Rotonda

    Absolutely correct, I bet cabaye wanted to play.

  • 171 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    yorkymag @ 156

    Yep, Remy should enliven things up although he plays on the right where Ben Arfa is positioned.

  • 172 Pokat // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    Yes I think Pardew has chiselled all the fight out of this squad. I think the players also read the fans perception of the club what with wacky appointments etc and put their own 2+2 together. This is why Cabaye is baling. I don’t know if the lads can rally from this but if not, expect a losing streak and JFK as manager in a couple of weeks.

    Pardew is easily read. I don’t think he will last.

  • 173 AaranD // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    Yanga and Colo have to be our first choice pairing at CB. Colo is a very good reader of the game whilst Yanga has the pace to cover.

    I really Dummet deserves a chance at LB, he had a good pre season and he matched Navas when he came on and that is far from easy in your first game. This can give Santon his chance of playing further up the pitch.

    RB is an issue as against good sides we get exploited as Debuchey is one of our better attacking options to be honest and this leaves us wide open and after a night of bombing up and down he is going to nackered as well. I think against weaker teams Debuchey is a good pick as he offers more to our lack luster attack. But for stronger teams maybe put Anita at RB as he has a bit of pace about him and more discipline.

    A 4-4-1-1 with that team has a balance of defense and attack. Have Remy in a somewhat free roaming role making the runs either side of Cisse, coming back and linking with the midfield.

    Krul
    Anita – Yanga – Colo – Dummet
    HBA – Sissoko – Cabaye – Santon
    Remy
    Cisse

  • 174 fray bentos // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    @Rotonda

    Cabaye being a bit of an exception as he is one of our best players and I still don’t know how we got him in the first place

    But do you really think the big boys didn’t know about Cisse, Debuchy, Sissoko, Anita, Marveaux etc? Im not saying they are bad players but they have been massively overhyped by many fans, I mean maybe a couple could be great premiership players in the future but I don’t see it now

  • 175 numba9 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    Well said Stan your right if you keep lapping it up we will keep dishing not the slops

  • 176 Diggedydaws // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    And we should be playin Marvaux behind the strikers

  • 177 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    Arsenal please phone back up, give us £12 mil and arteta and I’d be pretty happy

  • 178 Booney // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    Rotonda

    I know, it just annoys me we have no back bone no drive no ambition. Typical NUFC that the first game of the season there are already massive problems.

  • 179 thejokethatisnufc // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    Pardew wouldnt be a bad manager if he knew how to get best out of the players thats my opinion anyway

  • 180 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Tads,
    How can HBA be “Absofcukinglutley fantastic last night!” and in the same post Cisse received no service? Surely it is a large part of HBA’s role to provide that?

  • 181 GenralHez // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    OH DEAR – PARDEWED AGAIN – CLUELESS

    Tell Cabaye he is not going, end of story.

  • 182 Pokat // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Btw that toonbrother chappie is a balloon. Sorry had to say it.

  • 183 Indian Magpie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Guys we are in deep S*** regardless of Pardew stays or goes. Bigger problem is Ashley.

  • 184 NUFCarter // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:54 AM

    What adds to the frustration to when your 4-0 down is when you see you’re own players laughing with the opposition

  • 185 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:55 AM

    Lilo
    Because as always no one was showing for the ball, it was back to stand back and watch
    Like I said for me cisse looked uninterested he’s simply not suited to play as a target man

    We also had another 4 players who were also supposed to be helping with service how much do you want the bloke to do on his own?

  • 186 Booney // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:55 AM

    Pardew is a terrible manager, he couldn’t get a job in any of the divisions before us, then he gets handed the rains at NUFC ha ha ha you couldn’t make it up. If I was one of the players and he was trying to give me advice in training I would nod my head in agreement and think he doesn’t have a clue lol.

  • 187 NUFCarter // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM

    toonarmydownsouth

    Good suggestion but Arteta is out for another month. If they were to offer us a player it would probably be bloody Diaby

  • 188 NUFCarter // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:58 AM

    Then again Diaby is injured to……again

  • 189 Novocastrian66 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:58 AM

    What little optimism there was for the new season was shattered after 6 minutes. Didn’t see the game as I was at work, first game of the season would have been a gauranteed lieu day at one time. A lad at work said the best we can hope for is; we keep the score down have no injuries and no one gets sent off.
    Well we failed on all three accounts. I cannot see it getting any better on Saturday. We are a total shambles. Nothing has changed from last season.
    I have to say that Pardew looked fed up before the match never mind after. Thought he put a brave on a brave face in adversity, presented himself well and with dignity.

  • 190 AaranD // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    People keep saying, “Ah well it was City we were going to lose.”
    Well yes City are a great side and wont be beaten often this year. Its the manner of the defeat which really rattles me. Showed very little if anything at all ambition wise no gut determination from the team, only HBA showed any spark going forward.
    We lacked discipline massively and as soon as you lose your head you have already lost and our players showed that yesterday.

    Our saving grace from last night is:
    – Krul is back to his best, showed he is top class.
    – HBA is fit and ready, he looked class in a very poor team. Yeah he over did it at times but that’s because he knows all our hopes of getting something relied on him.
    -Dummet looks like he has a good future and should be given more opportunity will be a great player for us the season.

  • 191 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    Tads,
    My point is once again he created zip. he skipped past a few players and then wasted it. First half he beat Clichy and had a great chance to get the ball in the box, he had space to compose and put it in to a dangerous area. Instead he drags it a couple of yards wide of the near post. If you are going to shoot in that position at least go for the far post.

    Free kick from out wide, straight to the first defender.

    Hugely talented, lacks intelligence to have a consistent end product. Hugely overrated.

    On the others, I haven’t said anyone did well, so I’m not sure what that has to do with it?

  • 192 richyg01 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    Well, I never thought I would pick a team with this lad starting, but after last night, we know that Cisse just cannot hold the ball up to let play catch him up.

    This is my line up for West Ham
    (Assuming Cabs leaves, and knowing no-one will come in)

    _________Krul
    Anita__Collo__Mbiwa__Dumett
    __________Tiote___________
    HBA_________________Marv
    _____ Sissoko_ Gosling______
    __________Shola__________

    Subs
    Elliot, Tav, Vuckic, Sammy, Goofy, Cisse

  • 193 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    There has to be a footballing backlash for the next two home games with team showing no mercy against West Ham and Fulham.

    Those players from last night who have let themselves, fans and club down have to put in a shift and convince us that they deserve to wear the shirt. Nothing short of a resounding win will do. My team in 4-3-3 formation:

    Krul
    Debuchy – Mbiwa – Colo – Dummitt
    Sissoko – Tiote – Anita
    Ben Arfa – Cisse – Goofy

    I’m giving Debuchy, Sissoko and Goofy the benefit of the doubt and a chance to redeem themselves.

    I’m assuming that Santon, Jonas and Cabaye are all unavailable.

  • 194 Tinman // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    Well we knew it was going to be bad, but good God! debuchy was awful, tiote was poor, Taylor was arguably the worst. Expect a public apology or two… Ben Arfa and krul were brilliant.
    Let’s see what we can do against Fulham. City will do that to a few teams this year.
    Hopefully it springs Iron Mike into action

  • 195 numba9 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    What happened on the pitch last night is not the point the bigger picture is the owner and his disrespect for us and the club we will not improve until he is gone stop buying the shirts and season tickets money every year and things will change . He is on the take quietly sitting there taking off you

  • 196 The overrated Frenchman // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    I’ve already pencilled Debuchy in for when I next choose my “Worst Ever NUFC Eleven”.

  • 197 NUFCarter // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    So what happened to this fitness consult/guru or whatever that we signed up to lower the amount of players in the injury room. First game and we have already got guti pulling his calf.

  • 198 Tinman // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM

    Slank, same team I would choose mate

  • 199 Hatem's better than Messi // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM

    Pardew not doing himself any favours with the window excuses. The window is open … get on with it.

    Big Sam with derisory HBA bid on Friday … head games

  • 200 Novocastrian66 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    @ 144. Normally I would agree but the Liverpool and Sunderland games are still fresh in the memory.

  • 201 Toon1978 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    I have been banging on about a lack of width at this club for a very long time. Every man and his dog can see this but not the men who can change this, Ashley and JK. We can’t blame Pards because he does exactly as he is told, that’s obvious. Man city are a quality team because they have WIDTH. This is not bloody rocket science. Bobbi Robson had width at the club, Solano and Robert. Keenan had width at the club. Wtf is going on? Buy a few wingers, a CB and a bloody striker. Sick to death of this pathetic board AND Pardews constant excuses. Get some f…..g balls Pards and say how it is. Absolute crap everything about this club ATM. All down to Greed and a manager and director of Football who don’t know their ar2e from their elbow.

  • 202 keeganjr // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    i was so happe when we signed debuchy.. but this is not the same player we saw in the euros for france. he actualy need to go.. been total shite, out of position, cant tackle, give a way stupid free kicks because of low IQ or something.. no hes best friend is leaving. sorry to say, but hes a disaster, simmo so mutch better.. dummet was miles better yesterday, and he was up against navas.. dummet looks like he can be agreat player this year

  • 203 nufc 11 // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    He only joined NUFC bcoz Cabaye was setting down his roots here at the time now he looks to be off maybe Debuchy shud have been dropped to god help him an international player to carry on like that, to play like that he shud be ashamed I said it wen we were looking at signing him first day a Ferrari going forward but a chapped out Datson defending another Santon basically when Taylor comes BK he shud be move to RB bcoz time an time again hes proved without doubt he is no CB, and on that ive also siad time and time again that Colo is not worthy off leading this team his stock if he ever had any has fallen dramatically lst 18mths, We need to put in a cracking bit for Shawcross of Stke an make him captain and get Ba bk on loan move debuchy and Santon onto the wings where their best played between them they are far too unreliable in defence and i wud include willo, taylor and colo in that too.

  • 204 James RS // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    Never understood why they didn’t try and keep Simpson; hardly ever played a bad game and when he did come back into the side last year when Debuchy was injured looked better than him. Debuchy has always been prone to a yellow or red card with his tackle mistiming. Yes and his positioning is very questionable too. Simpson was generally in the right position at the right time; still that’s water under the bridge now; he’s gone. Taylor also has a lot of the same faults as Debuchy why on earth didn’t they give Douglas a go…oh I forgot the buffoon pulled the plug on that one. We desperately need a good centre back but Ashley was unwilling to pay an extra million for Tompkins for example.

  • 205 musomag // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Yes Man City have a vastly more expensive squad but to just accept last nights defeat for that reason is pathetic. We are supposed to be a Premiership standard team capable of ‘competing’ in this league.

    Ben Arfa showed a touch of class and poor Krul desperately tried to defend our goal as the rest of the squad ran around like clueless amateurs with zero ball control, vision or passing skills. Tactics can only have been to childishly slap/recklessly tackle the opposition and loft misdirected balls at Cisse and the diminutive Gouffran who await offside in an 18 yard box defended by towering giants. Disgraceful.

    A brick wall could trap a ball better than most of our midfield. On rare occasion when a pass actually finds a team mate these days it is simply not controlled. Instead it bounces off our players into the path of the opposition. If we genuinely have great scouts at this club then we are obviously not backing them financially.

    We all know of dozens of world class players and managers with tactics who could save our team. Ashley needs to either sell up or spend the money and go get them. Simple.

    It’s no coincidence that Man City look like Armani next to our Sports Direct bargain bin.

  • 206 n3w // Aug 20, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Jamie Carragher for Manager, anyone else impressed by his reading of the game…

  • 207 musomag // Aug 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    We’d be better off with Billy Conolly, at least he intends to make people laugh




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