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Shepherd Had Faults – But Wanted Newcastle To Be A Top Side

1:59 pm, Tuesday, August 20th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 511 Comments

Some of us Newcastle supporters are getting long in the tooth, and if we are ever to see Newcastle win a trophy again, it will have to happen in the short-term – a lot of us older folks don’t have long-term plans for anything these days. :D

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Freddy Shepherd – when Newcastle Chairman

That’s one reason we are so disappointed at the way Mike Ashley seems to be running the Tyneside club, with just no ambition being shown at all, and we are even being out-bid by perennially small clubs like Swansea, Southampton, Norwich and Fulham, and that’s really hard to take.

On last nights showing Newcastle seemed to be as bad as we were when we were hammered at home by Sunderland 3-0 and Liverpool 6-0 – and if last night is anything to go by (we hope it’s not) we are in for a very difficult season – yes – another one.

It’s not good at the moment, because Newcastle (make that Ashley) is showing absolutely no ambition at Newcastle, and the fans are upset – but so are the players.

A few of them have come out and said they want to see new players signed, and last night’s experience will not have been a good one for many of our top players – another embarrassing hammering.

Ashley is almost the polar opposite of Freddie Shepherd, the Chairman who ran Newcastle from December 1st of 1997, through the summer of 2007, when Mike Ashley bought the club.

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Mike Ashley – the polar opposite of Freddy Shepherd

Mike seems to be more concerned about balancing the financial books and getting good frugal deals, than he is about creating a top side.

Now it’s a good thing to be financially responsible – we certainly don’t want to go belly up like some clubs have done by over-spending, don’t get us wrong on that, but you can also overdo it.

Freddy was the opposite of frugal with money, and paid put huge fees and huge wages to get decent players to the Tyneside club – and as a man born and bred on Tyneside he had a burning desire to see Newcastle United become a top club.

Freddy had a lot of faults (don’t we all?), but at least he wanted do make Newcastle into a top side.

It would be hard to say that about the current owner Mike Ashley, and we seem to be falling behind even the smaller clubs – never mind the top six.

That’s so very sad – but so very true.

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511 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Repost

    If I was JFK (heaven forbid) I would offer Arsenal a package of Cabaye and Debuchy for £25M provided we can buy Micah Richards from Man City.

  • 2 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Tiote risking the wrath of Ashley by being cheeky enough to say we need to spend money

    “Honestly, I think we need some more players in the squad, because we don’t have a big squad.

    “Now we’ve got Steven Taylor out for three games and Jonas Gutierrez is injured.

    “So, it’s going to be tough on us becasue we don’t have a big squad.

    “I hope the chairman is going to spend money on the club.”

  • 3 Thump // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    If we sell Cabaye – does he really need replacing? We have Anita and Sissoko (when he’s not being played out of position) who are both technically brilliant… I know Cabs adds a different dimension to our gameplay but are we absolutely sure that’s not something Anita can bring, or at least live up to?

  • 4 Rainrix // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Well quite simply pardew is simply a symptom of the real disease which is the ashley. Even if he sacked pards we would simply get another grade D manager and more penny pinching. Simply put until ashley goes we’re stuck in this perennial hell. 6 Years of constant footballing faux pas. It isn’t going to change till the fatman goes.

  • 5 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    Freddy and his Geordie cronies only ever wanted to line their pockets with the money through the turnstiles and loans from the bank whilst trying to kid everyone that they were just like them, fellow Geordie supporters trying to do their best.

    His exposure in the newspaper sting showed what he actually thought.

  • 6 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Geordielad

    I agree with you but more importantly there is a dearth of leadership from the touchline.

    We do need a big personality on the pitch.

    I don’t know what’s happened to Tiote but his ferocity is no longer there and his ability to stamp his authority on a match is dead and buried.

    Every player looks confused, depressed and unconfident.

    There does need to be a vocal leader on the pitch but it needs to be complimented by a leader in the dugout.

    Not necessarily English. Look at Kompany yesterday, that’s what we need.

  • 7 Spotlight Kid // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Shepherd is a crook and a traitor (for sacking SBR).

    Between him and Ashley they have effectively lumbered the club in £100m debt that should have been reflected in the purchase price – and so come out of their pockets. This club (Norwich style) should be debt free and operating to constantly upgrade the team and coaching staff to stay up the Prem pace. Instead it operates solely as a cash cow for Ashley to get back his £100m.

    Shepherd, meanwhile, just f***ed off with his ill gotten gains. Scum.

  • 8 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    but not with his own money. Shepherd was an out and out crook and don’t let the geordie thing fool you

  • 9 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    JackButler @ 2

    Pardew was saying he wanted more of his players to show character and leadership. Looks like Tiote has responded. I would like Colo to say something public as he is the captain.

  • 10 ToonDownSouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Serious question to everyone (plenty of people have already answered yes to it) -

    If you had the option of seeing Pardew sacked and replaced by JFK, would you say yes?

  • 11 richyg01 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Shepherd was far worse for NUFC than Ashley is.

    Shepherd put us into a spiraling debt.
    Ashley has reduced the debt.
    Unfortunately, he has also reduced the spending.

  • 12 richyg01 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    @10

    NO

  • 13 daztoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    Cabaye to be sold Gutierrez injured and Taylor suspended.Thats just after the first game,now the squad will be to small according to Pards.

    He has learnt nothing from last season again we never even got close to closing anyone down and stayed on the back foot for 90 mins.Cisse up top alone.Thank god for Krul otherwise it would have been even more of a embarrassment

  • 14 richyg01 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    @9

    Yeah, Jonas came out and said sorry to the ‘angry’ fans also.

  • 15 ToonDownSouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Ed

    Not sure if you ever read the comments, but it would be good to see more articles like this, where you express your opinion. I know you try to stay impartial on things, but we’d all much rather hear what devoted fans think than reading 10 interviews a day with Pardew.

  • 16 dcdick // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Freddy for all his faults brought exciting players & exciting football to Newcastle.

    Ashley has brought nothing apart from some financial stability

    Pardew out…………. nothing but excuses after last nights fiasco.

    Big problem is ………………….who will come to Newcastle & rescue us ??????

  • 17 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Beattie @ 6

    I remember reading that Pardew had asked Tiote to not collect so many yellow cards. Unfortunately that may have backfired as he didn’t show his normal tenacious self last night.

  • 18 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    Slank

    I’d be happier if they showed that character and used their voices on the pitch as leadership is in real short supply.

    But it is strange that we never seem to hear from Colo who as the captain

  • 19 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    Ed
    Don’t make my blood boil it is high enough at the minute without bring that fat toad shepherd in the equation.

    When the club was at the top he and the Hall’s started the downword spiral by issuing shares floating the club and taking millions out.

    And calling all Geordies idiots in the News of the World sting, buying a warehouse to stock Toon merchandise then charging them rent.

    see below what they took out of the toon

    Arghhhhh
    Totals made from Newcastle United 1999 to 2005

    Sir John, Douglas and Cameron Hall: £36,466,153

    Freddy Shepherd and Shepherd Offshore: £ 8,351,298

    Total £44,817,451

    Figures compiled with assistance of Ian Ferguson from http://www.nufc-finances.org.uk

    Totals made from Newcastle United in a 6 year period

    Sir John, Douglas and Cameron Hall: £36,466,153

    Freddy Shepherd and Shepherd Offshore: £ 8,351,298

    Total £44,817,451
    That equals over &7 million per year

    AND

    In summary what Shepherd left was a club that was losing over £30m a year, had debts of £70m, had no assets they could borrow more money against, and had a set of players on long, lucrative contracts. Ashley can get rid of the debt but the £30m annual losses with over paid players will take longer to sort out.

  • 20 ToonDownSouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    Beattie, Jack – see post 10 :)

  • 21 AaranD // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    Totally agree Thump.

    Anita is a similar mold to Cabaye, a snappy technical player. We also have Sissoko, Tiote and Gosling all CM.

    Don’t get me wrong i’d love Cabs to stay but if he left for £25million, which I think the club will hold out for, we need to spend that on other areas of the pitch. A few more attacking options, as we are a counter attacking side. Imagine haveing Sinclair, Remy and HBA running at you 3v3, frighting.

    Problem is clubs will know we are in a mess and charge massive prices for players we should of gone and got months ago.

    Also feel players have no clue what our game plan is, that has to change the most!!

  • 22 geordie157 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    I’d still accept 5 mill for tiote if anyone will have him, then bring in bridcutt.

  • 23 Rooster // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Ronjohno, I agree, I think our Manager has lost the plot he picks a team on paper full of internationals who are now beginning to look awful, ie debuchy sissoko tiote, even Colo is looking very shaky again, and Steven Taylor well were do we start, I best not.

    SHEPHERD, YEA he wanted big signings, not his money he was playing with, that’s the only thing I can say in favour of MA its his bit, hes careful, but it is a bloody nightmare at times dealing with it

  • 24 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    ToonDownSouth

    No mate, Kinnear is no better than Pardew, if/when he goes it has to be for a better manager to come in to replace him.

    I want us to move forward not sideways or backwards

  • 25 Belfast-Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    So lets rewind and imagine that Ashley never purchased the club from freddy, what state would be in now financially? Never mind the short term spending and targets cuz Chelsea and city has made that irrelevant due to their spending power. Topic is pointless.

  • 26 geordielad880 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    remy will make a huge difference when fit, he will bring a total different aspect to our front line, pace and power, something we lack up top

  • 27 geordie157 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    With Jonas and Taylor out, maybe Pardew can try my 4231 formation.

    Krul
    Santon, Mbiwa, Colo, dummett
    Tiote, sissoko
    Ben arfa, vuckic, Marveaux
    Cisse

    Tiote sits in front of the back four, sissoko starts deep but is our box to box midfielder. Narrow trio with arfa and Marv swapping sides, vuckic providing a link between midfield and Cisse.

  • 28 Widowmaker // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    We are fans, or are we shareholders? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want my club bankrupted, never. It’s just funny in a sad way that many seem to be more interested in our club balancing it’s book.

  • 29 Robby Bobson // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Shepherd and co took millions out a year in dividends whilst the club was making huge financial lossess and in millions of debt…

    Its not all about the money, but he certainly lined his own pockets.

  • 30 Yohan Kebab // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    how long do tickets usually take to arrive? ordered charity game tickets on august 3rd and still not here

  • 31 BandB // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Thump

    I’m sure the thought has occurred more than you.
    We could claim the proceeds from a Cabaye sale were spent in January and have now merely been recouped.
    And as Matty says, a late Liverpool bid for Ben Arfa is not unlikely.
    I wish the window had closed after we’d signed Remy.
    You should always quit while you’re behind, I reckon.

  • 32 Ginger // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Something that still needs improved on is a link from midfield to attack. Tiote and Anita both do well linking the midfield to the defense but there’s still an apparant fault in our lineup, Cisse is still being isolated.

    Both Ben-Arfa and Gouffran enjoy running at players, but still fail to link up with Cisse properly.

    We need either Vuckic or Marveux to start next match if we’re going to stick with the 4-2-3-1 formation. They will fill in that link we need in CAM. Ben-arfa, Gouffran and Sissoko or simply not good enough to be CAM.

  • 33 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    TDS…I really don’t want to see JK as manager. Absolutely not. Just means daily to weekly publicised ramblings from the man and will the playing style get any better? I think not.

    Thump…A very good point about whether the Cabaye money, if he is sold, should be spent on a Cabaye replacement or not. A fair few already feel Anita should be given a chance, so surely a Cabs replacement would hinder that?

    A striker, a winger and something sorting out in defense would still be my priority before another CM.

  • 34 G.unit // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    I for one am not justifying what Shepherd and the rest of his cronies took out of the club but one thing I know for sure is I loved being a Toon supporter back in them days.

    My love for the club will never go away but it’s getting harder and harder, as the weeks go by. Even the local rags are starting to have their digs now. Finally, they are starting to say what most fans have been saying for a while now.

  • 35 Yohan Kebab // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    geordie 157, our best team at present , IMO

  • 36 Rooster // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    Geordie, that’s the trouble with AP he wont drop Debuchy and he will bring Santon back in if fit, no balls at all. Dummet deserves a chance without doubt.

  • 37 Thump // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    @richyg01 (11): He hasn’t reduced the debt, he’s just shifted it around so the bank can’t charge interest. He may have prevented a fair bit of debt, but he certainly hasn’t reduced it.

    @AaranD: Tactically, I saw some good football yesterday. The passing movement was quite easy on the eye ( or it would have been had we not have caved to City’s pressure). They dictated the tempo and forced errors from us and we were playing at a speed where we simply can’t play. The other issue is that we had no actual mode of attack. There was no playmaker. It was literally “get the ball to one of the forward line and hope the burst through”. That terrifies me. We’ll only go forward when we’re dominating the game and not a second before.

  • 38 geordie157 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Probably old news but Inman has agreed terms with Crewe after a fee was agreed. We’ve got a sell on clause in the deal. Good luck to him,.think at worst he’ll become a solid championship player in the future.

  • 39 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Widowmaker @ 28

    I don’t think its strictly about balancing the club’s books.

    Its more about making it clear that those Geordies the Shepherd and Hall families fleeced the club. Whereas the southerner Ashley has not.

  • 40 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    In the Shephard days, fans were less interested / informed about the financial runnings of the club…I certainly was anyway. This isn’t just with Newcastle though, the whole financial world has changed somewhat since then and tbh, it needed to. I am all for financial fair play and clubs running within their means, however, the new rules aren’t really working yet, are they?

  • 41 Mister Tuff // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Not playing Cabaye because “his head was turned” clearly an unmitigated lie/whopper – spouted by Percy -no doubt under instructions from El Gourdo -name of the game here lads( and lasses) to protect the saleable asset. Who received the bid telephone call -was it Cabaye – of course not. Well how he he get to know -easy because the Toon management told him. Whilst Percy towed the line -you have all witnessed a technique used by amateur liars -to deflect blame -false indignation. They must really think the public, including the supporters are mugs who will believe anything they spout.
    Nothing much has changed since last season. After seeing all the teams playing now -it’s possible to make assessments (difficult perhaps for the new teams until they find their feet). West Ham look reasonably well organised and look a bit better than last season. So I think it might be looking a bit dodgy for our next game -hope not but that’s what I think.

  • 42 G.unit // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    And if we do start spending, all of a sudden, it just clarifies what I have been thinking all along. Pardew has done a sterling job for Ashley all summer, by flogging Cabaye to the highest bidder. Job done!!

  • 43 Sir Braveheart // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    @10
    No. Its not good for the club or for JK’s health. Or our reputation. Or our league position chances. Or our ability to attract new players. Or our ability to keep our players.

    In fact there isn’t a single benefit to it. People may not rate Pardew but he’s better than JK.

    Ashleys in it until he’s made his money back. Once he’s made back what he’s lost he’ll sell the club for 150-200m and buy Rangers for a quarter of that, with no debts and the promise of Champions League football and competing for trophies in a few short years.

    The question is who will buy us?

  • 44 AaranD // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Pardew wants Transfer window change.
    The fans what a regime change!!
    It’s a shame you don’t always get what you want in life.

    After thinking on the whole Cabaye bid. We don’t know the true facts of it but I think it was released to undermine Pardew and try to unsettle him.
    The bid was made on Sunday but the Club came out and said a few hours before kick-off. Cabaye didn’t know until Monday. The club didn’t have to release the statement saying a bid had been made. All very fishy! I might just be over thinking it but that’s because the state of club and how it is run has caused it!!

  • 45 Barton // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    crist car’nt quite believe fans are calling freedy worse than Ashley,yup freddy had faults (ie no business acumen) ect,how ever he was a fan who WANTED THE BEST FOR CLUB AND BEST PLAYERS HE COULD GET PLAYING FOR CLUB,can you cashley lover’s say the same about big mike?

  • 46 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    We need an owner who is prepared to spend money but within the bounds of a sound business model.

    All Sheppard ever did was borrow money to spend and all Ashley does is refuse to spend, we need to find a happy medium

  • 47 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    TDS
    Do you seriously think we’ll do quite well this season? I know we’ve just had one game but the signs of last season are still there.
    I can’t see us strengthening either. You can’t seriously be happy with MA and the way he runs our club?
    We’re not a quality side we are just average, very average. Mark my words we’ll be playing our football in the championship if this penny pinching continues. Mashley will wish he’d bought a few better player’s while we’re still in the premier league. Then again I don’t think he’s bothered.

  • 48 eaststandgeordie1982 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    My tickets came today for morecambe think that will be a long night and we better have a decent team out.

  • 49 outsidethebox // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    the silence is deafening from our dof…another good young,un left and cabaye on verge and still silence from jfk …leaving pardew to take all the flack ..cannot understand why we have a media spokesman a director of football and all the fans get is silence …not good enough…

  • 50 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    Nice to read from some that there was within the mess of last night, some early signs of some better passing etc…even if it was just signs.

    It was never going to be easy and we were never going to dictate play against City away, so I suppose it’s something. Something I hope isn’t given up on due to last night.

    On this subject matter, it will be hard, but it will take patience from all as it wont just happen over night and confidence is clearly lacking.

    What the team need is something to give them more confidence and energy….something legal mind.

  • 51 crockwell // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    I think it’s a misconception that we owed more under Shepherd than we do under Ashley. At end of 2007 our Balance Sheet showed a negative equity of 23.5m whereas at end of 2012 it showed a negative equity of 43.6m. It is just the make up of the debt which is different as it’s owed to Ashley and is interest free other than being an interest bearing loan owed to the bank. Although Ashley receives no interest he is more than compensated by the free advertising for his tatty sport shops.

  • 52 eaststandgeordie1982 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    JB spot on is it to much to ask for the owner to put in 20m ish in the summer to boost the whole club instead of doing nothing and just putting everyone down, look at norwich, soton, west ham and swansea we must of made more than them last season to make available for signings. He just wants to make money and i think everyone has now seen him for what he is time for them all to go and replace the lot from coaches up.

  • 53 Belfast // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Yeah that was the only positive from last night for me. We weren’t hoofing it and actually trying to pass. Apart from that we were awful.

  • 54 hoppernufc // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    pardew is a clueless muppet, he never gives any players a chance apart from his favourites i would play vuckic marv anita bigi all ahead of tiote guti ober and sammy, pardew dosent have a fkn clue, hes a yes man and thats all ive had enough now like and the quote from last night about we were doing well untill tayls was sent off made me piss maself laughing i mean whos he trying to kid? ive never seen such a bad performance hes getting like kinnear full of shit and a stone wall lyer!

  • 55 BrightonMag // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    Last night sucked. As soon as it hit 4-0 I actually found myself rooting for city to keep scoring in the vain hope that Ashley might see sense and get rid of Pardew…Unfortunately, I don’t think he will until it’s too late…Sad times for the toon

  • 56 Belfast // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Still badly need a striker that can hold the ball up. Gomis would have been ideal.

  • 57 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    JB…Imo, we need an owner that will continue to do what this owner did the summer we got Cabaye, Santon, Ba, Marv, etc. The signs then were good. I don’t mind buying on a budget, but plan and follow through. Something they haven’t really done since, with the possible exception of that following January when Cisse turned up and kept things rolling in a positive way.

    It may have been luck and momentum that resulted in our 5th placed finish, it certainly had some hand in it, which just makes it even more frustrating that they decided to change the game plan last summer.

    Barton…Not sure it’s as simple as that really. If it was, Jonas wouldn’t get nearly as much stick as he does…or Shola.

    Truth is between Ashley and Shepherd, they both offered good and bad things and Ed hits it bang on the head with the “polar opposites” bit.

  • 58 AaranD // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    Being able to knock the ball around for 5-10 minutes out of 90 is simply not good enough for Premier League players. A pub team could do that.

    We lack any cohesiveness in the team, that leads to sluggish look we have when on the ball. So tactically we are inept. And when you aren’t playing very well you need grit and determination that willingness to go that extra yard for your team mate push that extra effort out, we don’t do that either anymore our players get ill disciplined and that leads to further problems.
    We lack leaders, people who can stand up and be counted for.
    I’m not just basing this on the City game it was most of last season as well. Need a massive improvement in the next few games other wise more drastic changes need to take place.

  • 59 cockneymafiaout // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Ashley is actually a a good business man just incredibly greedy. Freddy Sheppard only had his self in mind when paying out money from the bank ( lets not forget it was largely him that got us in so much debt)

    Basically what am trying to say is we are going to struggle for the next decade, we cant rely on Graham Carr scouting all these wonderful cheap players.

    Personally I think you need the right balance in a team. Look at Manchester united, their stand out players are the likes of van persie and vidic. While they also field less luxury players like cleverly and welbeck who are willing to put in a shift for the team (I admit Man U have a much greater youth system than ours and is why they are producing these players)

    Players like Sissoko, collocini and Krul deserve to play as they are quality and always put a shift in. while other players like debuchy, cabaye and cisse are mecernaries who don’t seem to care anymore and as a result there performance have suffered.

    We need to start looking at the championship but only at the real quality players who are capable of the step up. (i.e. tom ince, Redmond before norwich snapped him up and so on)

    Was also watching the crystal palace game and their defensive midfielder Jedinak had a tremendous game and all the way through the game I was saying Newcastle were screaming out for a player like that and I was proved right after that game yesterday.

  • 60 Rainrix // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Ibiza… Why do you have to stifle all my good ideas with all this “legality” business? :)

    i take it you didn’t watch the match then? We did keep it on the ground surprisingly quite a bit. But we still lacked a cutting edge. It might’ve simply been we didnt really pressure them long enough to get that edge. Defensively we were horrific. No organisation. Even if tayls stayed on we could’ve easily still conceded 4 or 5.

  • 61 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    eaststandgeordie1982

    Whats annoying is that no one is asking for stupid money to be spent, we simply can’t compete with the top clubs but it looks like we can’t compete with the rest at the moment either

  • 62 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    Just to put Pardews comments about the Cabaye offer into comparison with someone many on here have called a better manager than Pardew, here is what Martinez has to say about transfers once the season is under way….

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/8879814/manchester-uniteds-bid-for-leighton-baines-and-marouane-fellaini-a-waste-of-time

    I’m talking about Pardew here, not the club, before anyone starts with the whole Martinez didn’t pull the players from the starting line up…we don’t know what happened last night, but I would guess it’s more than likely if the decision was made by the club it came from higher than Pardew.

  • 63 Thump // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    @Ibizatoon: That’s what I’m thinking. He’s young, typically Dutch, loves the ball played to his feet because, let’s face it, he can probably run at full sprint under Routledge’s legs and one of those players that definitely has it in him to change a game. If we get £25m for Cabs, invest it in the wide areas.

    After yesterday, I’m not entirely sure I’d have an issue seeing Saylor go but it’s clear he’s the trophy Geordie to be rolled out on derby day and probably the most useful Englishman in our squad (which is saying a lot). To replace Saylor would be a bark because we wouldn’t be able to get somebody English of equal ability.

  • 64 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    Ibizatoon – @56 100% agree mate

  • 65 eaststandgeordie1982 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    JB

    And thats a massive insult to us ehen pardumb comes out with them comments that we cant compete with soton in transfers, its an absolute joke.

  • 66 eaststandgeordie1982 // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    *when

  • 67 Our Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Some people on here are unbelieveable, when we finished 5th some of these players were playing to their potential and believed in the Newcastle United idea of buy young, pass and move football etc, now what we are seeing is the same as when Barton, Nolan etc were at our club, players disillusioned by empty promises, poor football, lack of footballing nous and around the merry-go-round we all go again.

    These players have had enough of playing for our club and for good reasons to, LIE after LIE every season, no ambition, then why should any of these players show ambition on the pitch. Tiote, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Colo and god knows who else just look disinterested, because quite simply we are a nothing club going nowhere with no ambition to achieve anything

  • 68 fatman // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Shepherd had a plan to rid the club of debt it was called the no1 st James park project and it would have left us with a 60,000+ stadium.

  • 69 Belfast // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Think Pardew will play Gosling instead of Anita.
    I actually thought he would of played Gosling last night.

    Wouldn’t complain if Gosling got a run of games tbh

  • 70 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Rainrix…I do apologise good sir, you take part in any illegal activity you see fit :)

    Nope, didn’t catch the game. Was due to go and find a bar to watch it…had even seen a few black and white shirts around the place about an hour or so before KO, but then the phone started, so I had to return to my cave to attend to work….so had text updates.

    As I said, at least it’s something. It will take time, but if they persevere with it, things will improve. Perhaps not a great example, but Liverpool after Daglish took some time, but Rogers appears to be getting the best of his players now. These things do take some time and one pre-season is never going to cut it.

    How did the fitness levels look last night? My real feeling of optimism this summer has been that Faye Downey (think I have that right) would have at least improved that aspect of our game. Keeping in mind we played half the game with 10 men and from the sounds of it had to do most of the running work last night against a sharp looking City side.

  • 71 BrightonMag // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Ibiza…Fitness levels didn’t look too bad, first half the thing that impressed me was the amount of chasing down the ball we were doing…Something in the back of my mind however was screaming this was gonna be a re-run of Arsenal last year

  • 72 walker_lad // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Sack pardew and bring in Di mateo he’s guided Chelsea back to champions league football he’s a good tactician and would be good for Newcastle

  • 73 catchy in norway // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/8879218/pardew-unhappy-with-'disrespectful'-bid

    the guy watches football in a whole different way to anyone else I know

    the result would not have been the same if cabaye had played

    hmmmmmm

  • 74 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    eaststandgeordie1982

    Under Ashley we will spend to survive and nothing more, those players that came in during the January window would never had happened if we had been sitting pretty in the league.

    Ashley’s ambition is survival in the Premier League and nothing more

  • 75 catchy in norway // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    RDM
    is a very poor manager,,,

    we do not need him

  • 76 catchy in norway // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    fat freddy
    D hall
    Cashley,

    all the same, just like most chairman,, all dodgy guys who have been lucky in life

  • 77 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    JB…I know people get frustrated at many posters resistance to jump on the negativity bandwagon, but it is the way we conducted ourselves that summer that really gave so many people belief…even JFA was lightening up.

    I have been hoping it wasn’t just a one off, as on paper, the plan makes perfect sense. Sadly, I am struggling to shake that I have placed my hopes with the wrong people…still, that doesn’t help me decide where I should be putting my faith. I imagine an Ashley exit strategy being complex and not much fun for toon fans.

    Thump…I think he needs some game time. For sure he has made mistakes when he has played, but he was also one of, if not the best player on the pitch for about 3 games in a row last season. I certainly wouldn’t complain too much if Cabaye went, Anita replaced him and they money was invested well on other areas rather than CM.

    All comes down to whether the money will actually be re-invested though and I’m really in no mood to try and second guess or debate that issue.

    On Saylor, I have real mixed feelings about him. At times, he can be really good imo. At the end of the 5th placed finish season he came in and was brilliant for us. But these stupid actions and performances he puts on are pathetic in the extreme and more to the point…they aren’t working! I don’t think selling him is the option though, for what we’d get for him and be able to replace him with is probably just not worth it. Perhaps some bench time and a reality check is in order for him? Yanga and Colo at CB for me.

    Now, about this RB we waited so long for…what the hell is going on there?

  • 78 BrightonMag // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Catchy…Hadn’t seen the interview yet…”Don’t think we’ve got much to be concerned about from tonight”!!! What game was that guy watching? As for RDM, totally agree, no way

  • 79 Yohan Kebab // Aug 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    has anyone had tickets to the charity game arrive?

  • 80 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Catchy @ 74..Doesn’t happen often, but I agree. RDM is not the answer for me and would just be an act of desperation.

    Brighton…Good to hear also. As I keep saying, it will take time as we were already behind most teams in the league in this respect. Better late than never and as long as they keep with it, there is something to be happy about…sort of :) Chasing Man City down will take it out of a lot of teams.

    I know it’s an old and over used cliche, I really do, but for me, I am now more interested in how we respond in the next game. We got the disaster most expected, now what?

  • 81 Byker Boy // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    Freddy is a Byker Boy and there is none as passionate about the Toon as us Byker Boys. Newcastle United’s first embryonic existence started in Byker. Yes he had his faults, but we at least competed and he tried his best, and what a roller coaster of a time we had under him.

  • 82 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    Is this NUFC.com thing about concluding two signings a wind-up or not? Any idea?

  • 83 Pokat // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Hammers game should be the acid test of what we are.

  • 84 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Walker lad
    Do you seriously think Di mateo would come to Newcastle? Any half decent manager wants to know the ambition of the club before thinking about it. No manager under Mashley could get us in the CL.

  • 85 lesh // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    The way Ashley’s running the club is disappointing to say the least.

    From fifth two seasons ago and the basis of a very talented squad to a relegation struggle last season as a result of little investment during the summer, to today – a thinning squad, an idiot for a DoG, no investment, a 4-0 loading last night, Cabaye on the point of leaving – clearly he’s disillusioned with us with others to become likewise and want out and/ or underperform.

    Sad, sad sad and the sooner Ashley bows out of Newcastle United, the better.

  • 86 catchy in norway // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    brighton

    its sad to think he is our manager, millions watched that game and many seen a very poor show from us

    2 plus points, TK amazing in goal, kept the sscore down

    dummit, tried his best to burst forward

    negative points

    our team are not playing or fighting for pardew, I seen no real effort in that match by most of the players,

    Jonas just throws himself to the ground when anyone is near him

    goofy just lazzzzy
    saylor,, just stupid

  • 87 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    Ibiza

    I know I’m a negative git on here but when I see something that I truly love being trampled on by people who couldn’t give a damn, I get wound up, upset and I vent my anger at them.

    I’m not this way in any other area of my life but this club ignited a passion in me that I can’t do without.

    If Ashley and co saw us as anything other than a business venture then we would not be in this mess, I don’t think that there is another owner out there that is less interested in the passion and love that people have for a football club.

    After 38 years of supporting this club I’ve been through and seen just about everything a fan could expect (apart from winning something) I’ve had some of the best experiences of my life with this club but I can’t remember ever being so despondent or baffled by what is happening

  • 88 Rainrix // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    Ibiza…. It was hard to tell really. I think whether we’ve improved fitness wise will show in games where we’re chasing for an equaliser etc or in really free scoring games, and of course as the season drags on into its latter stages. But saying that i couldnt watch after the 4th so we could’ve easily got tired towards the latter stages. West ham will be a better gauge of fitness hopefully, as we’ll at least be in that game :)

  • 89 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Ibiza

    “It was never going to be easy and we were never going to dictate play against City away, so I suppose it’s something. Something I hope isn’t given up on due to last night.

    On this subject matter, it will be hard, but it will take patience from all as it wont just happen over night and confidence is clearly lacking.”

    I’m not being funny mate but how much time do the squad and pardew need?
    Had half a season in the trenches and a full pre season, if confidence is lacking from the players then that is irreparable it shows they have lost confidence in the club, the manager, the “5 year plan” and the clubs ability to do business show ambition and conduct themselves in a professional manner

  • 90 BrightonMag // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    @81, yeah, you not heard? We’re signing Messi and Ronaldo for 20p and a bun…

  • 91 Pokat // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    I said I would give him half a dozen games, and so I shall. Breathe, people.

  • 92 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    Rainrix…

    “West ham will be a better gauge of fitness hopefully, as we’ll at least be in that game”

    Is that signs of optimism? :) Shows where this blog is at…let’s hope!

    JB…I have said for a while that I do understand why so many are feeling negative about the situation. You weren’t always so down about things, it has come about due to the clubs actions…that I don’t have a problem with at all.

    Stuart said that I am still the same as I was 2 years ago just more subtle in my approach…I disagree, of course, I feel I’m just a little more open minded to the possibilities at play and hopefully a little more respectful of others views. I like to lean towards positivity as negativity is a dangerous cycle, I also however, like to believe I’m not completely delusional….that is yet to be conclusive though.

  • 93 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    @brightonmag

    Has Ashley insisted upon licking all the icing off the bun first?

  • 94 walker_lad // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    Toon kk
    He’s out of work ATM and he did a good job and remember he was westbrom then Chelsea he’s a foreign manager and he’ll be able to disagree with the French we just need a new look on the team

  • 95 derekm // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    sorry but the shepherd regime would have either finished off the club or turned us into the same leeds situation – look at the mechanics of buying these top players in his day, the stadium and all the big money moves were bought with money they hoped would come in the future – absolute suicide financially. Ashley will get the club to the point where it is so stable financially he can sell it and get all his money back and more, then move on to do the same again with Rangers. please god let it be quick.

  • 96 Transfer Sage // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    I don’t think di Matteo plays great football but he at least has a style he uses, currently we have no shape or style other than 10 in our half and cisse up top.

    We started romosing yesterday but up against a top defence we looked totally deficient.

  • 97 BrightonMag // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    @slaty…Icing? Far too frivolous for FMA, that would almost double the price!

  • 98 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Tads…Are you seriously saying that the six months we were battling relegation were spent working on a new style of play other than trying to not concede?

    We always knew any new style etc would start to be implemented once players returned for pre-season, which was less than 2 months ago.

    It should have all started long ago, you could argue it should have been in place before Ashley even came along, all I am trying to say is, there were apparently some signs of it at last, which is good news. However, to go from one style to another will take some time and patience, no other way around it.

    I said a lot last season about player confidence and faith in the club (whether that be the owner, manager, recruitment, whatever) and I still haven’t seen or heard many leaks about players wanting out, which I would have expected if it was the case, but as they say actions speak louder than words.

    But do we actually know what players aren’t happy with? We can guess, but the answer is no.

  • 99 hadthetshirt // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    No surprises for me the result.I did fear a battering 0-4 0-5 but am more concerned about nextv2 games that could define our season.If we don’t get at least 4 points out of them.I honestly think we will stay in bottom 3 all season.I hope I’m a million mile wrong.I don’t normally do teams but surely we need to change and my X1 is
    Krul
    Santon——Mbiwa—–Collocini——Dummett
    Sissoko
    H.B.A.———–Anita———Marveaux
    Cisse———Goufron
    we need to create some chances as I can see a 0-1 if we play like last night.

  • 100 Transfer Sage // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Is anyone interested in starting (or know of a good one currently) Ashley out campaign. Try and get as much focus and attention on it as possible.

    Anyone?

  • 101 investinyouthtoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    A bit off topic here, but Saylor has shown his true self, a hot headed, naturally limited talent who we should look to get rid off, but only once we replace him with Harry Maguire from Sheff Utd, who really does look like a heck of a player, though in league one, but ticks most of the boxes, is young, is English, able to buy pretty cheap and develop into a star player…..

  • 102 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    But is .com reliable for these kind of rumours/info?

    I must admit that this blog and the links people post up is my one stop shop for all things toon.

  • 103 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    derek…Another reason I have been willing to give Ashley the time I have is that in this day and age, I actually admire the plan / approach. Unfortunately, there are major question marks over the reasoning and intentions of said plan and the ability to carry it out.

  • 104 wolfshead@toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    pokat

    i said the same thing but ive changed it to 3 one more loss in the next 2 is unacceptable

  • 105 Twatter // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    NUFC.com would be the last place to make stuff up. They’re reliable lads who write good-quality articles. They wouldn’t sink to the level sometimes on show here in the “rumour” articles Ed puts up.

  • 106 Rainrix // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    Ibiza…. Im always optimistic, only 3 points off the top yo! :)

    Sage…. There isnt any big ones im aware of. A few pages on facebook with a few hundred people on them. Nothing with the kind of exposure needed to change anything. Im going to go out on a limb here and say you might just get a bit of public support if you start one.

  • 107 Black and White with an army lol // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    i love the fact on hear when ppl say sell Cabaye for 20-25 million and invest in our squad to improve!

    who the hell are you kidding? do you’s honestly think if Cabaye was sold for 20-25 million MA will invest into the team to make it stronger or better? get over guys, of course he wouldn’t, he’s not looking to improve our squad especially when he wants to sell the club.

    honestly why on earth would a chairmen ( sorry businessman ) want to buy players when he’s selling out!?

  • 108 Transfer Sage // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    Ibiza

    How are things?

    I’ve held the same view as you, build slowly within your means. Spurs have done, even selling big players on the way and its worked.

    The huge difference is the long term goal. Spurs want regular champs league as well as trophies. We seem to want prem leave survival to promote sports direct.

    We don’t need tens of millions of Ashley’s money to do it. Surely with the extra tv money as well as how well ran we currently are means we can afford to be spending 20-30 mil a year on players?

    Surely we are not the only club who isn’t getting in to debt?

  • 109 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    Take out Krul, Colo, Hba, Cabaye and now Remy and the rest of the squad are average players, add Pardew and the whole team are sh.t.

  • 110 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    Lads, the plan is not working. Ashley needs to be outed from this football club. Let’s stop accepting mediocrity as if we deserve it for god sake!

  • 111 Munster Mag // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Well, exactly as I predicted, 4-0. You see, as I have said before, this is the same bunch pf players who got us in the crap last season. What do u expect? I was pleased to see a better style of play ( well done Pardew ) but those players dont look like they give a monkeys about him. Where are the Ashley apologists these days, and the Pardew loyalists?????

  • 112 bobby mango // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Think romanticising about Shepherd is a bit much. He had ambition but would’ve seen us bankrupt. There was a long long time I wanted him out the club.

    I absolutely despise Ashley’s lack of ambition, tacky advertisements, p!ss poor PA, his hiring policy etc but I will credit him with giving us financial stability.

    If Ashley just spent a little, just to match Swansea, Norwich, even Villa. I’d be much happier… Of course then there’s Pardew. Kinda doesn’t matter calibre player you give him, we’ll fail.

  • 113 Transfer Sage // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Rainrix

    I’m away currently enjoying some time in the sun. I’ll look in to ways to start it if people show interest here during the week.

    Can keep reporting to get yes’ or no’s to help me if you like? Seeing as I’m not on here loads this week

  • 114 Black and White with an army lol // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    i couldn’t care ppl say but i think in our next 6 premier league games we should win them all, 7 if we include Morecambe.

    NUFC vs WHU = win
    NUFC vs Fulham = win
    Aston Villa vs NUFC = win
    NUFC vs Hull = win
    Everton vs NUFC = win
    Cardiff vs NUFC = win

    Morecambe vs NUFC = win

    this is what should happen and there’s no excuse why it shouldn’t.

  • 115 Shearer.Milburn // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    Lets just swap cabaye for wenger… job done. At least wenger has a good footballing philosophy even if he is a miserable sod

  • 116 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Rainrix…and 7 goals…easy peasy…. ;)

    Black and white…I think most are including the all important word “if” in those comments.

    TS…In the real world, busy but good, in the footballing world, fairly depressing tbh. Seems we’re on the same page, the blue print is not the problem but the intention / ambition behind it and then how it’s carried out.

    I don’t even mind it being under £20m investment, but surely it can’t or shouldn’t be left at one loan signing. This isn’t me saying that if we buy players all our problems are sorted, but something went down last summer to change the mood and whilst I can accept Pardew is far from perfect, I do struggle to believe that shift in mood was solely or even largely down to him.

    I can’t remember who it was that posted it, not that long ago (as in the last 30 mins), but I think they’re spot on with the players have just given up as they realise that the club have no desire to push on whatsoever. That for me, is more Ashley than it is Pardew. He may be a part of it and not challenge Ashley, but I expect that.

    As for your last question…a possibility….perhaps we will win the league soon as we’ll be the only team left after everyone else goes bankrupt :)

    Who would get the league sponsorship rights? Wonga or SD?

  • 117 RooneyToons // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Nufc.com only post reliable info…. They’ve broken a lot of transfers in the past

    Its looking good

  • 118 Twatter // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    But here’s the thing: why should we credit him with anything if his only ambition is to keep us financially stable? As fans are we supposed to get excited over spreadsheets? There is nothing redeemable about the man who owns this club. It’s about time people stop praising him for his frugality. Look at how things are being run.

  • 119 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    @twatter

    Cheers.

  • 120 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Transfer Sage @ 107

    ‘..don’t need tens of millions of Ashley’s money.. Surely with the extra tv money as well as how well ran we currently are means we can afford to be spending 20-30 mil a year on players?..’

    What’s all this ‘we’? Its his money. It’s his club which he runs, albeit by proxy.

  • 121 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Munster…I think biding their time….I certainly am.

    Do you think it’s players not playing for Pardew or not playing for the general lack of ambition at the club? Does it even matter which?

    Ok, new topic, anyone on here recommend a good anti-depressant? Perhaps Ed can run a poll for me?

  • 122 Twatter // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    Even so, is a club flirting with relegation every year a “financially stable” club? I would have my doubts.

    Ashley doesn’t care one iota about this club. He is clueless. It’s about time all of us awoke to that fact and stopped praising him for his happy accidents. The man is only seriously considering investing now that he knows Cabaye is going.

  • 123 Slank // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    Rooney @ 116

    Have to agree with you. They are, in my mind, the only reliable source of information. And also the funniest doing a great line in puns.

  • 124 WWSBRD // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    We mess about for how long ignoring our problems then when every thing goes tits up they are instantly about to bring in 2 players? Hmm aye sounds likely

  • 125 Rainrix // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    Sage…. I can do that if you’d like. Like i said i think any sort of ashley out movement will get support. Of course another big factor will be how our transfer window concludes. Likely it’ll be cabaye leaving and no replacement. If that happens i reckon 99.9% of fans will be against him.

    i vaguely remember those protests against Shepard in 2006 i think? That was over a lot less.

  • 126 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Ibiza

    I think it’s Ash’s sleazy image, ie downing pints in one in the directors box at Arsenal etc that indicate he doesn’t have a whole lot of class.

    Ash’s vision of the ”Arsenal of the North” is flawed by his constant desire to give high level, managerial positions to the worst qualified people, ie ”jobs for the boys” aka as his drinking buddies.

    I am still amazed how we managed to get people like Cabaye and Ben Arfa to the club, so in essence the squad is certainly not the worst when you consider people like Marveaux and Anita are now so far down the pecking order.

    Under Pardew players have regressed and that won’t please Ash in his buy them young and cheap and sell them on for a packet mentality.

    That aspired to model in itself isn’t a crime if they are constantly replaced with upgrades a la Dortmund etc. But again you need top managers and coaches to develop them so it will not work while we have the likes of Pardew, Stone and Carver in situ..

    With KK and SBR there was a feel good factor but none of JFK, Pardew (and Wonga) exactly give you that warm feeling and glow.

  • 127 steve jpw // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    I agree with most that Shepherd milked the club for all he could get his hands on – however i do think he wanted a successful Newcastle – Ashley doesn’t care too hoots. All it is to him is a capital investment -from which he hopes to derive a healthy profit on sale. The day that sale happens can’t come soon enough.

  • 128 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    I identified debuchy as the real liability before the game but he had the nightmare of nightmares. Who was i arguing with who said gouffran was a striker?

  • 129 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    @twatter rooneytoons

    Well one of them has got to be Gomis I’d say. Anyone any ideas of the other who we could be “concluding” a deal with? To my knowledge they haven’t been talking to anyone else, well at least no one with a blabber mouth chairman.

  • 130 Munster Mag // Aug 20, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    NUFC.com says the top brass are abroad negotiating for two players ? Any word???

  • 131 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    Did anyone notice the move in the second half where we tried to hit them on the break. MYM charged out of defence to join in, cisse knocked it out to someone on the wing, the attack was on, and then MYM suddenly stopped his run and walked in the opposite direction? Comedy gold.

  • 132 Dragon64 // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    until Ashley sell’s we are doomed doesn’t matter who we buy with him and pardew and the other idiot joker joe . club might be more stable money wise but unless something happens big time not looking good. total laughing stock how it hurts

  • 133 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    SBR…They may well have some players lined up and the only real delay has been bringing in some extra money first. I know that creates more questions, but it wouldn’t shock me if it was the case.

    Rotonda…I could get my head around the downing of pints in the directors box tbh. One thing about Ashley and given what I assume to be his general attitude, is that he doesn’t do too much wrong in public…personally. His decision making however…

    We do have some good players at the club, agreed. You know I don’t completely agree with your assessment of Pardew, I know he’s not spectacular, but I don’t think he’s the worst manager going either. He’s looked a broken man for pushing on a year now. He doesn’t come across as a man just happy to be getting his pay check and obeying whatever orders he’s given from upstairs. I do think, much like I think the players are, Pardew is feeling well and truly dropped in the kaka and has / is being left with a near impossible task. Granted a better manager should cope better, but for me, it always comes back to whether a new manager, one that we all want, would stay and put up with it. I know the Keegan 2nd coming wasn’t straight forward, but it would indicate that no, not many managers would put up with being undermined like this. So who exactly would be the replacement?

    I suppose there is some irony in the fact that me, a perceived optimist, can’t find any optimism that a new manager would be an improvement with Ashley at the top.

  • 134 Tommyy // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    Well at least we’re all agreed we’re in serious trouble.

  • 135 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    Black a white@113
    Get a grip mate do you seriously think we could have any chance of winning those games? We’ll have a good scrap with Hull, Cardiff and Morecambe but don’t expect beating them either they will be hard games for us.

  • 136 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    Pardew mugs himself off every time. We frettened them first half. Wtf.

    Somebody said it on here and echoed my thoughts. Pardews too weak to give them a roasting as and when needed. Hes licked stars arses and theyve given him no respect.

  • 137 Munster Mag // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    Black and White 113……another delusional fan.

  • 138 mondziu // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    I try not to comment on squad selection because it’s Pardew who sees them every day, not me, but it has gone a little too far. We have two sources of creativity in the XI, namely Cabaye and Ben Arfa. In the absence of Cabaye, why not use Marveaux against City? If he is not good enough to use in such a case of emergency, why keep him here at all?

    I’m fed up with watching this kind of performances. One of the worst defences last season and we go to Etihad hoping for 0-0, with Tiote as a playmaker.

    What seemed to work in AP’s favour in 2011/12 was keeping everyone motivated and committed – Perch, Williamson, Simpson played to their (limited) best. Now, there seems to be no competition, no motivation, no commitment. Some Purples take their place in the teamsheet for granted. How could they not, if every man and his dog knows exactly who will play and who never will, as long as AP chooses the team. And how can the back-up players put pressure on those so called purples? They’ll stay back-up players no matter how hard they train or how well they play apparently.

  • 139 ilovetoon8788 // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Who could the 2 players be? Gomis and the the young keeper I think.

    Anyway glad Cabaye is off. He deserves better than Pardew.

  • 140 WWSBRD // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    Ibiza
    U think they have planned ahead? Hmm it’s a theory but history points in the other direction mate

  • 141 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    At the minute I fear Morecambe. I reckon Eric Morecambe could skin Debuchy, and he’s been dead nearly thirty years!

  • 142 Toon1978 // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    This fella tells it how it is.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Ruf3971fU

  • 143 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    SBR…Think they have? No. Open to the idea they might have? Perhaps.

    One of the problems with this regime is they have shown both sides to the argument so I really don’t know what to expect. They have shown that they can close deals, but we’ve also seen some dragged out messes too. So, who knows? My main point is that money not being available becomes an even more implausible excuse if Cabaye is sold.

  • 144 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    The only plan that I can see is that they will try to find a way to talk their way out of another sh*t storm that they have created

  • 145 Barton // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    the clubs reps ar’nt abroad trying to get us 2 players in,there over in france greasing cabaye’s agents palms,jesus wake up and smell the ruddy coffee,if we were going to add to squad this window,would already have been done.

  • 146 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    So…What’s news on our very on Amateur club? :D

  • 147 Jackel001 // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    It’ll be our luck that our “representatives” have gone over to discuss the transfer of cabaye to PSG!

    I don’t believe for one second we’ll sign anyone, hope i’m wrong.

  • 148 fatman // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    When Cabaye goes to psg Arsenal will come in with a £15 bid for Krull.

  • 149 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    I have little doubt that the club are in France sorting out the Cabaye deal, my hope is that they’re killing two birds with one stone and sorting out who is coming the other way as well.

    Damn it, where’s my camera, a pig just flew past my window…

    Jesper…News? Ha, good one.

  • 150 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Here you go lads, the moment you’ve all been waiting for….

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8880029/jonas-gutierrez-apologises-to-newcastle-fans-for-showing-at-manchester-city

  • 151 Toon1978 // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    Nufc over sees to sign two player, Bill n Bob the flower pot men. Going cheap. What a crock of crap. Really need a pick me up with this flaming club. WINGERS we need WINGERS and a striker. We where torn to shreds off wingers last night. We did not cross ONE ball into the box. No width. Mr Dummett is quality and should keep the LB position S.Taylor should be dropped now because he is a liability and Mbiwa should be alongside Collo. Ohhh and it would help if Pards played players in their strongest positions.

  • 152 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    Ha ha….

    “I agree with what Alan Pardew was saying” – Jose Mourinho 20/8/13

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/8880037/jose-mourinho-plans-new-chelsea-bid-for-manchester-united-striker-wayne-rooney

    Love him or hate him, he does know how to press the right buttons. Does anyone think he actually wants Rooney or is it all just games?

  • 153 wolfshead@toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    fatman

    if that happens were faked into a cocked hat

  • 154 Toon1978 // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Really hope one of the players is Thauvin…dear god please get him in!

  • 155 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Ibiza

    Not shooting the messenger you understand but ……….

    That should be coming from the manager not the players, instead we get his BS about threatening their goal and giving a good account of ourselves up until the red card, when we were already two nil down and being torn apart

  • 156 WWSBRD // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Ibiza
    Ah I did miss ur middle of the road approach while u were away haha I see nothing but storm clouds coming personally

  • 157 Toon1978 // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    JackButler

    Not sure if you are feeling the same mate but i am one ANGRY F…ER with everything NUFC atm lol. I spent all night ranting at wor lass about formations,Cabaye and Ashleys greed. She put her ear phones on in the end and listened to her music hahahaha.

  • 158 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    Toon1978

    with you all the way mate

  • 159 Sazzer // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    Liverpool is said to going in on Will Hughes. Derby have rejected a bid from a PL club.

  • 160 Toon1978 // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    JackButler

    Both in the same boat heading for the abyss with this mad club lol.

  • 161 Sazzer // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    Deadline Day ?@DeadlineDay
    #PSG bid for Cabaye. #NUFC #AFC

  • 162 JackButler // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    Well as if being depressed about the state of our club wasn’t enough I now have to go and face a twelve hour shift……have a good night lads

  • 163 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    SBR…Man how this club could use some middle ground…it’s from one extreme to the next. I can certainly see those storm clouds on the horizon…hoping for a big old gust of wind to blow them away.

    JB…Much like you claim that Pardew is a fool for expecting different results by using the same methods, isn’t it time to perhaps stop expecting Pardew to say what you want him to and not make excuses?

    I don’t know the inner workings at the club and I honestly feel Pardew is often left in the dark and is expected to just deal with it all. I think considering that, he copes relatively well…if you don’t pay too much attention to what he says anyway :)

  • 164 Toon1978 // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    JackButler

    Enjoy mate…..2 weeks off for me ;)

  • 165 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Rumour Mill
    In pub last night was that TOON to sign Fernades from Besikatas this week

  • 166 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Take it easy JB. Hopefully the 12 hour shift will give you something else other than Newcastle to think about.

    Sazzer…I’d normally be suspicious about twitter offerings, but PSG have to bid for Cabaye at some point. Hopefully it’s not drawn out too long and a fee can be agreed and most importantly be made available to spend THIS window. Right, time to start holding our breath…..now!

  • 167 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    WE NEED to get a Ashley OUT campaign going before he totally reuens our club, he must be driven out.

  • 168 WWSBRD // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    Ibiza
    Blown over Sunderland? Haha

  • 169 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    SBR…I had to re-read my comment there to see what angle you were taking there….thought to myself…”Christ almighty, what did I say?” :)

    For once, I am willing to give the scum down the road a break…just get that storm cloud as far away from us as humanly possible.

  • 170 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    Perhaps an overuse of the word “there” in that there post…you know, the one up there. Right there…above this post….there!

  • 171 WWSBRD // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Ibiza
    That says more about ur mind than my comment lad haha must admit I enjoy their “shot from anywhere” ideology…better than our camp in our half tactic

  • 172 Tommyy // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    I don’t want any more French players unless we get in a manager who can use and manage them. There’s just no point, Pardew cannot use them. He needs English workers if he is going to succeed. it’s that simple.

  • 173 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    SBR…Hmm…you’re probably right there :)

    So, we’re back to basics and hoping that Sunderland will be a bigger disaster than us. That used to bring some confidence….

  • 174 Sazzer // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    Ibizatoon
    Yeah, we will see if there is any truth in it.

  • 175 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    Lee Ryder ?@lee_ryder 1h

    James Tavernier has returned to #nufc from his loan deal with Shrewsbury after picking up a foot injury

  • 176 SecretSausage // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    Apparently our people left yesterday heading for Italy and Turkey. Ive got no idea who they are after or even who it was that went over. Sorry.

    Other thing I heard was that we have not been back in touch with Lyon but there is still a possibility of Lyon coming back to us and that is what we are waiting for. So if we are after a striker surely the Italy and Turkey trips are for other players as they are still hopeful of getting Gomis in?????

    It’s all come too late for me, I’m fed up with the whole thing following this Cabaye news. I’m also worried sick about the quality of our players.

  • 177 WWSBRD // Aug 20, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    See Lille have again said Thauvin is going no where

  • 178 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Secret Sausage
    Turkey – Rumour Mill
    In pub last night was that TOON to sign Fernades from Besikatas this week

  • 179 Sazzer // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    SecretSausage
    Matri and Fernandes is most recent links from those countries.

  • 180 BandB // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Ibizatoon

    I’ve always been a positive person. Positivity gave me a good life, and I admire positive people.
    I was a loyal, uncomplaining fan for years. I put Ashley’s initial cock-ups down to inexperience, and welcomed the fightback from relegation. I put up with the crass PR gaffes.
    But you are right. Something did go down last summer that changed the mood.
    For me it felt like being in a taxi home that suddenly diverts from the normal route home, with a driver who refuses to explain why. That was a big red flag feeling for me.
    There was a whiff of hubris on the blog and at the club after the successful season.
    But instead of the steady take-off we expected, the club behaved as if we’d over-shot the runway.
    I think there was a plan, and it revolved around sound finances and affordable football, as the club statements all said. It was the Ashley model. He is accused of lying, but he’s only been guilty of failing to correct misapprehensions that helped cover his tracks.
    If he’d bought Ferrari or Chanel, he’d have done the same thing. He’d have produced a cheap parody of the brand.
    Maybe steady and planned progress is being made now. The man isn’t a mug, and I suspect it all hangs together.
    We just aren’t in on the plan.

  • 181 Jail for Ashley // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    WW…,
    Welcome to the blog, I’m not sure what to make of the Yohan Cabaye affair, has he actually refused to play last night of was he just removed from the squad ?

  • 182 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Franco Baldini: The driving force behind Tottenham’s slick transfer campaign

    JFK: Insert as appropriate………………….

  • 183 thejokethatisnufc // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    So angry right now with the JFK Ashley and Pardew they can all suck a dick for all I care

  • 184 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Tommy

    Even with ”English workers”, apart from 1 x top 6th finish in 14 years has Pardew ever really succeeded?

  • 185 WWSBRD // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    JfA
    Aw thanx long time admirer of urs ;) haha

    Either way he wasn’t with the squad he is meant to be a leader off, he should of made sure he played if he cared imo

  • 186 Charlietoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    I don’t think we should be too gloom and doom. Man City have bought some wonderful players and spent a lot, we were away from home, we just lost our best player because of a bid. A lot of these things were completely out of our control but greatly affected the performance.

    We’ll do better

  • 187 Tommyy // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    Rotonda – I’m not saying that it will make us a good side, it won’t. But it’ll make us mediocre, which is a darn site better than what we are now.

  • 188 Jail for Ashley // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    Band B,
    It was last summer that it became so obvious that there was to be no ambition and that pitiful statement which can be read in the archives at NUFC.com was becoming so true, it’s looking more and more likely that it was a well thought out plan to get us where were at with minimal spend and just hanging on, if there was a light at the end of the tunnel it would be easier to deal with but all these people who think he is going to sell are so far from the truth,whether or not he is taking money physically out of the club this is a huge cash cow for his main business,just because he might not be actually pocketing our cash the 50M in revenue a year we have fallen behind Spurs is much much more than the crooks Hall and Shepherd had out of the club.

  • 189 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Its funny how MA wants top dollar for Cabaye and thinks he’s worth 20 mil but if a player we want is worth 6mil MA offers half that and expects the selling club to take it, never mind not paying the going rate for wages.

  • 190 Barton // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Pointless going on about a Cashley out campaign he owns us lock stock n both f$$king barrels,all will do is p£ss him off even more,with the result he will take the preverbial P out of us,the fans,even more than he doe’s/has in past,and why cos thats his mentality,he hates any form of criticism,jst look at shearers bar/no.9 this pre season as only 1 of many examples of this,when alan spoke out.

  • 191 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    BandB…On positivity, for me, it’s a way of life. That isn’t to say one should be taken for a mug, but if given the choice of being negative and seemingly just whinge about things, I’d opt for looking for positives or actually doing something to change things. I’m not sure if it’s my location or perhaps I need to call in my merits as a fan, but I don’t feel I am one to do much with regards to change at NUFC, so a positive approach is best for my mental state. There are after all, other things in life. Still, back on subject…

    …That is where I always come back to. Like him or hate him, Ashley isn’t an idiot. If the “plan”, whether it’s the same or a new one, isn’t working how he wants it to, he will step in. Truth is, Ashley has told very little to anyone, so to call him a liar would be difficult. His “representatives” are the ones in the firing line really.

    I think, reading between the lines, that basically you’re of the persuasion that all he wants is PL safety and a way to advertise SD to the masses. I always felt, given that he had shown the “5 year plan” could work, as proved 2 years ago, that being in European football would only help that. If he could do that on a budget…perfect. Win win, no?

    I really am still at a loss to call it. But it certainly doesn’t look too good if we’re expecting much more than mid-table advertisement for SD.

  • 192 usmagpie // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    Why does this happen, we always look at the past and not the future. Yes Shep’s did get some good players at the club but fired a legend? It does not mater where someone is from is they are Geordie or Cockney, what maters is that whoever is in charge does right by the players and the fans. Newcastle have not been Newcastle for a long time now, our merry go round with managers and good players being signed and sold within an year or so is getting boring. We have an owner that has balanced the books well yes but needs to understand the old saying” You have to spend money to make money.”: Ashley needs to understand the more we win the more the club looks better the more his company looks better, if he is using Newcastle as an advertising ploy so be it that’s his choice, but when the country looks at Newcastle as a joke, what does he think they look at his company as. The appointment of Joe ( I know every manager will take my call) Kinnear, this showed a lack of business know how. Newcastle over the last few years have quoted they need three years to get it right, well this is the third year and nothing is right, so what’s the new excuse, JK was bought in as a stool to take the heat away from Ashley, JK knows this and Ashley will fire JK for not doing his job and pay him off with say 1 million and JK will be quoted as saying” I never saw that coming” when in fact this was the deal from day one!!!!!!!!!!

  • 193 ToonDownSouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    Rotonda

    I asked this question to everyone earlier: If you had the option of Pardew being fired and replaced by JFK, would you say yes?

    That’s a serious question, and that does seem the most likely scenario.

  • 194 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Ibiza…what do you mean :D

    …so have we both lost Yohan the child beater and our very own Yo the blog beater (or is he reincarnated as WWSBRD)

  • 195 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Yesterday was rubbish but we were almost certainly going to lose that game anyway.

    Question is, how do we do in the next 2 games, and has Pardew worked out how to build his team if Cabaye isn’t playing or isn’t playing well. It seemed last season that the tactics were for Cabaye to control the play and/or Ben Arfa or Cisse to do something magical. We have more players now so there must be more options! Roll on Saturday…we need a good win.

  • 196 Foxworth // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    We’ll see how good / bad / ugly we are after the next two home games.

    For the meantime – (apologies for caps) ED – CHANGE THE BANNER PLEASE!

  • 197 Wayayman // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Balls to Italy and Turkey. Drive across to Blackpool to sign Ince, then down to Manchester for Sinclair and finally make a stop in Derby for Hughes. All young, all hungry, all English. We’d probably get change out of the Cabaye cash too.

    Two wingers so Pardew can play his fave formation with guess what? Actual wingers who run at people and can cross. A CM to replace Cabaye. Job done,

  • 198 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    Charlitoon

    Of course we will. That 16th place was all just a bad dream.

    Since then we’ve got a modern, technically progressive manager with an amazing CV of success, a thrusting new dynamic, best in the business D.O.F, a link up with a highly reputable sponsor, shipped out Willo and Gosling and bought some fantastic new players. Oh wait………..

  • 199 Jail for Ashley // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    TDsarf,
    Bar Santon and Remy who seems to pick up a lot of injuries that was our best team out last night, ffs we had Sammy Ameobi on the bench, I am working with a few smoggies and they said he was sh!te,so I guy who wasn’t or isn’t wanted at a mediocre championship side plays against Man city, so who exactly are these more players now ?

  • 200 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Jesper…Aye, a new dawn for WW…

    What do I mean? Which bit? Been on a bit of a session this afternoon, but out of practice and I’m knackered :)

    TDS & TDS…Before I automatically change one of you from TDS which runs the risk of me making up some random nickname, do either of you have a proposal of how to not make this whole “TDS” thing an issue?

    Anyway…

    TDS…I already answered this, but I feel so strongly that I should again….NO!

    TDS…When you say we have more players, do you mean than we did at the start of last season, rather than the end of it?

    As for the new magical plan…I’m guessing a magic wand for Pardew to wave from the touchline. Might need a wizards hat too, just so he doesn’t look silly. A cape would be a step too far imo.

  • 201 syamantakb // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    yesterday was a piss poor day….school boyish stuff from almost all….kicking the ball as if playing in the mud as kids…the forward line just didnt get a look in….or was there one…its pretty evident theres absolutely no confidence in the lads….and they are not liking the way they are playing…everyone was just shaking their heads and so angry…no one enjoyed playing yesterday…from the start when krul saved one off his right post in the 1st 6 mins he was shaking his head…the defence was lost on all quarters…getting ripped…and pulled into tracking players…manc ripped the man marking system…all the midfield do was square pass the ball…and the one touch football sometimes played led o miss passes due to lack of confidence….even hatem was too selfish on many accounts…only positive i found yesterday was dumme….sammy and anita will do better this time as they seem to have bulked up a bit…
    papiss does not deserve amention as he didnt do a thing yesterday…and looked frustrated….
    in short we need an overhaul on personnel…pards needs to go….he looks so lost…and uninspirational….everything was so demoralising yesterday….and we need a motivator or psychologist in the coaching panel…we need new players…hard workers…like gouffran…he was another bright spot yesterday…these are dark times if we dont change or overhaul ourselves asap….

  • 202 Toon1978 // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    I dont think Cabaye will make much difference at Arsenal tbf.

  • 203 scout // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Stick me down for Kinnear over pardew, this bloke is shot to pieces we are regularly getting spanked. It’s beyond a joke the signings are rubbish.

  • 204 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    Foxworth…Maybe he’s anticipating more faces to add by September 2nd? Unlikely perhaps, but still.

  • 205 thepict // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    Does anyone on this blog want to see that crook Shephard running our club? The man spent money the club didn’t have and not wisely either. Don’t want to see him within 20000 mile of the club.

  • 206 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Ibiza…I can’t remember I have lost trail in this madness :D

    …so no news is good news right?

  • 207 scout // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Bardsley is better than debuchy.

  • 208 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    TDS

    After seemingly holding a post mortem after what appears to be or seems like every match when we’ve played poorly and more often than not, lost, I think I would take Brian the dog in family guy!

    On a serious note I think Bergkamp or Solskjaer have the right stuff. Yes they’d be a risk but we know what Pardew can’t do so I think the ” better the devil you know” quote is redundant,

  • 209 ontariomag // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Long time since i posted although read this blogbfirst and last thing everyday.
    For me Pardew has to go. I agree with other posters that Cabayes head was turned last season and should have been sold.
    I would like to have seen Gosling given a run out out as pre season reports had him tied with Dummet as our star player. Debuchy is yet to have a good game in a Newcastle shirt.
    Am i the only one who wishes we had sold cisse and kept Ba. I would love to have the team spirit back we seem to have lost that on the field, which leads me back to the manager and now that moyes is at man utd what about solksjaer as im sure he will become a top european coach when he moves out of molde

  • 210 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    scout…When you say the signings are rubbish, do you mean the ones made previously or the lack of them this summer? If it’s the latter, are you sure you want to have the man responsible for that joke taking full control of the team?

    Pardew may well be a problem, but Kinnear is definitely not the answer.

  • 211 ToonDownSouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Ibiza

    At the risk of being wrong, I think I was here first, so I’ll be number 1 and he can be number 2 ;)

    If you can suggest an adequate name change, I’ll happily consider it. I’m all over the place these days, so ‘DownSouth’ doesn’t really cover it ;)

  • 212 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    TDS
    You’ve said in the past you thought we would be 7th or 8th this season do you still think that? Doesn’t look like we’re going to strengthen do you accept that or do you agree with most fans and think MA is penny pinching? It will cost him alot more than 10mill if we’re relegated.

  • 213 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Ibiza

    Yeah, I mean than at the start of it. The 5 Frenchies have had a pre-season now, plus we have Remy on loan and Dummett back from loan. The squad should be considerably better than when we managed 5th really! I’m on the fence regarding Pardew’s ability but he simply must get more from this squad.

  • 214 Rotonda heights // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Ibiza

    if pardew is the answer what was the question !!!

  • 215 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Jesper…No news, news, whatever, it’s always bad for us :)

    Rotonda…Bergkamp or Solskjaer would represent a forward thinking risk, Kinnear wouldn’t.

    I don’t think the quote is quite that redundant at all. I agree the team needs a lift in some shape or form and whilst I am open to the idea that the manager would be the easiest and perhaps most beneficial starting point, I cannot get past the idea that we know who the replacement is already and that fills me with even more dread than facing another 37 games like last night.

  • 216 ToonDownSouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    Rotonda

    I actually think that kind of manager would be absolutely perfect. Young, not in a rush to hurry to a ‘big’ club, and progressive. What we need, imo, is simply someone who excites both the fans and the players, with fresh ideas and an open mind. Look at Pochettino – he’s never been the best manager, but the players and fans of Southampton are so excited by him because he’s actually inventive and exciting.

    The JFK question was a serious one haha. check said the other day that he would take JFK over Pardew, and that was before yesterdays events, so I was wondering if anyone else would.

  • 217 scout // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    We’re never gonna get anywhere without spending money sissoko isn’t yaya , cisse isn’t world class and Ben arfa isn’t messi. Wake up and smell the coffee people.

  • 218 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    Ibiza
    No I don’t think the six months were spent implementing a new style, there is no new style, where have you got this from?
    What’s new?
    Same formation as all of last season
    Same tactics
    And what were supposed to see signs of improvement because for a 10 minute spell during last nights demolition we managed to string more than 2 passes together?
    I’m sorry but that is not a sign of improvement, that’s merely clutching at straws looking for an upside

  • 219 scout // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    Can we have herbert from family guy
    Pop into Ashley’s office and say “guess who” lol

  • 220 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    TDS

    I was about to say the same about being first! :-) but I only posted intermittently for a long time. I don’t mind changing either, but took me a while to come up with this! Was disappointed when I saw others had the same idea!

  • 221 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    TDS

    I’d take Kinnear.

    Now I hate Pardew as much as anyone but even I’d say I trust in Alan’s management more than Kinnear, however, if Kinnear took over if give it 6 weeks before doctors told him he couldn’t do it anymore. Therefore we’d be rid of the two of them.

    Then if Dennis Wise came in we’d be relegated, lose all our players, Ashley would sell and we could start to rebuild from the ashes.

    So Kinnear please on the basis that he’d be gone quick enough.

  • 222 DokToon // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    afternoon all…

    i have nothing good to say, except krul was probably our MoM…

  • 223 Shearer.Milburn // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    ONTARIOMAG, completely agree… should have kept ba and lost cisse. I still think if we got rid of cisse and brought ba back he would work really well with remy!! Heres hoping we do somd good businesses!

  • 224 scout // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    roll the dice Ashley, everyone is laughing at you. Get someone in who knows what they’re doing its pathetic this.

  • 225 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Scout

    The players we have have never been seen as those players you mention.

    They have been seen as players with massive potential that needed guidance under a quality manager to help them realise it.

    Sadly they ended up with Pardew and may end up wasting their potential/careers.

  • 226 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Rotonda @ 214…I should have expected that really…Ermm…I forget…What is the square route of….???

    TDS’…Re: namechange….How about Idiot TDS and smart TDS? Sorry, things could do with livening up :)

    TDS 2 (pending confirmation of time on the blog or another suitable agreement on name)….Is that really saying much though? Add this summer in to the mix and that 5 is now 3 (if we include the injuries Remy)…which maybe is okay, but we were short to start with last summer, so where does that put us now, where we should have been then? It’s all open to debate I suppose and definitely agree with the motion that the new players have had some time to adjust…although Debuchy is making that argument hard to defend…whoops, was defend a bad choice of word there?

    Completely agree, whatever it is, it needs to improve. Competitively, as things stand, it can’t get any worse….bit negative I know after one game against recent league champions, but statistically correct :)

  • 227 The puppy formerly known as prince // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    I don’t understand the shock at the performance – it’s been like this for the last season and all of pre season. People on this blog seem convinced we have a talented squad but I don’t see it – Cabaye is overrated, yes he will perform better at better clubs because he’s surrounded by better players and the fact that a lot of teams sit back when playing bigger clubs. Cabaye does not have the attributes of Carrick, Lampard, Gorzola etc, even at international level France struggle in the majority of their games and lack the swagger and elegance of the France of old, Cabaye is merely a decent player in poor team. AS for the rest of the team they’re average at best Saylor has been a liability for years his battling and loyalty to the cause has disguised his failings. Collocinni has some quality but lacks pace and is as responsible as anyone for the unrest in the squad, Sissoko – Headless chicken great at running with the ball but has no guile what so ever and constantly runs into trouble. Tiote a card waiting to happen and can only pass sideways or backwards – though at least he is getting better at passing and does move after a pass and is learning to keep possession. Cisse a poacher who is fed on scraps and would struggle in most teams in the bottom half, that with low confidence = disaster. Debuchy well I’m still waiting to see this world class step up from Simpson. I could go on but I’m sure I’m boring most of the people who disagree with the standard of our players but that’s my opinion on players and I’m entitled to it.
    Scouting – well Graeme Carr has done well but he has also got some dross from France and he needs to leave France alone now, it’s not a great league – some players have technical ability but our squad has far too many average quality French. The prices clubs are demanding from us in France is going up too so it’s no longer got the same financial benefits.
    That is obviously just my opinion and if you disagree you’re welcome to, your entitled to your opinion but if you look at the team through Rose tinted glasses you’re going to be very depressed after most games. I realise we’ve only played one game and it was against a good team but that’s the worst performance of the week by a long shot, another two games and we should be able to judge if were relegation criteria or not. Let’s hope not.
    IMO – We could a lot worse than loaning Gareth Barry not the greatest but he has some leadership in the middle of the park, stop worrying about a left winger and just get a winger HBA can play left very well so anyone that can interchange with him would be good even someone like Eagles who can take players on and cross a ball. Admit these aren’t world beaters but not many players will be wanting to come here at the moment and there British we need some British tenacity at the moment. Not to many decent British defenders available at the moment but right now anything would be a step up I’d seriously consider Santon at Right back drop Debuchy. But all of this opinion is pointless because we have an arrogant Pardew who can’t see past his selection failings or players inabilities with his tactics. That said he’s had no backing and is constantly undermined. On the plus side I’ve still got another week of off and it’s not raining.

  • 228 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    Toon kk

    I still stick with my prediction but I will be seriously p*ssed if Cabaye leaves and we don’t replace him AND buy a striker. I’ll also be seriously p*ssed if we lose the next two games and Pardew hasn’t found a way to create chances without Cabaye controlling the play.

    I don’t get Arsenal being after Cabaye though, he’s very similar to Arteta.

  • 229 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    TDS
    We need alot more than a CF and a cabs replacement

  • 230 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    tads…A southern based toon fan whose name on here doesn’t bring confusion…I was asking the question whether you thought that time could have been used to implement change…certainly not saying I thought it was.

    My point is, if we base things on just short of 2 months work, then how are we doing? I know it’s hard to take any positive out of anything at the minute and I didn’t see the game so don’t know, but looking at it rationally and without anger / frustration, were there any improvements with regards to:

    1) Fitness
    2) Passing
    3) Movement
    4) Pressing
    5) Tactics

    From what I can gather there were “signs” of 1-3 in the first half, as some have commented on it. I am merely commenting that at least it shows that there is some thought being put in to it and that I hope it continues and that last night wont be used as a reason to scrap whatever work has been done already. They need to stick with it, but it will take time. Short term sacrifice and all that, seems many are willing to do it to change the manager or owner, but how about the playing style?

    Sorry, for the length this post is turning out, but I want to cover as much ground as I can to minimise the onslaught of other posters, therefore, I do understand that patience is easier when you have belief and that the club have given little reason for said belief.

  • 231 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    Ibiza

    In our first team, we have 2 GK, 4 CBs, 4 FBs, 4 CMs, at least 4 AM/Wingers and 2/3 strikers plus a few more youth players on the fringe. Many of these are the same players we had when we got 5th and the differences are surely superior.

    I’m all for signing better players but this squad is surely good enough for top 10 and should be top 8.

    If we don’t get that, then it is a failure.

  • 232 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    puppy…Sorry to only focus on one part of that comment, but, Gareth Barry? That honestly may see me cut my ties with Newcastle :)

  • 233 valle // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    If AP got sacked, people would hope that MA came to his senses and finally appointed a gifted foreigner who could move us forward. Therefor there would be hell on earth (at least on tyneside) if Kinnear took over…. So some guys here who are fed up with AP might say that they would take JFK now, but I call bull on that! You would be as outraged as the rest of us if that happened.

  • 234 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Don’t want to answer for TADS but if anyone thinks there was any improvement last night from the previous season then you were watching the wrong channel.

  • 235 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    TADS

    I don’t agree. I just think the players need to play as a unit. It’s mostly the same team that got us to 5th but with some additions. Are you seriously saying that they have all just become bad players?

  • 236 USAGEORDIE // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    We need to be rock solid on the £30m valuation on Cabaye. We will get bids in the area but we must stay put on 30. Either they give up and Cabaye stays until January or they will meet it. We can also offer PSG a counter offer of £23m and Sakho for Cabaye. I think if we sell him this late our hands are tied in the market and we will have to spend big for players we could’ve gotten on the cheap in July.

  • 237 The puppy formerly known as prince // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    Ibiza@232 your welcome to your opinion and I agree he’s not the greatest but right now I honestly think he would be an improvement to our midfield.

  • 238 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    TDS…In principle I do agree. Something I believe I was incredibly wrong about last summer though is the need for new faces to keep momentum going. It all becomes a little stale otherwise. That doesn’t mean completely overhauling each year, as that wont work either, but more than just one player and then a load of panic in the next window. It’s just not a smart way to approach it, from my perspective anyway and imo completely drained all confidence and momentum we had going for us.

    Pardew certainly played his part, with the whole catering to Ba episode, but then you can ask, if he had been given another ST last summer could he have been a bit more ballsy with Ba? Probably not, but we don’t know as he wasn’t really given too much of a chance…imo of course.

  • 239 Jail for Ashley // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    TDsarf,
    What our team looks like on paper is irrelevant to the complete lack of leadership and disarray they found themselves in last night, so many people blame injuries or Pardew for last season with out factorising the serious lack of morale due to the intent of ambition shown by the ownership which has seemingly been repeated this summer and the selling of arguably our best player without bringing anybody in will have demoralised them to possibly a point of no return.

  • 240 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 20, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Has anyone seen this?

    http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/exclusive-newcastle-uniteds-short-sponsorship-falls-by-4m-per-year/?

  • 241 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    puppy…Can we not just fight to the death over this one? Not sure I can face the world where Barry is what we need :)

    I agree with what you think we need, but not who can bring it.

  • 242 DS_NUFC // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    hi guys first time commenting after watching the match.i have never seen such a gutless performance from the team.there was just no imagination from our team at all.the defence was absolute shocking and cisse was once again isolated and for pardew to say we were competitive up until the sending off just shows what a pathetic excuse we have for a manager.he should be knocking on kinnears and ashleys door demanding transfers.what kind of a manager just sits back and take it.ths is why keegan left he had respect for himself and the club.as for kinnear can anyone explain to me what he actually does?? keegan was right the club will never be the same under ashley

  • 243 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cabaye go to PSG with Chantome coming the other way. Just our type if player and would be on less wages than Cabaye.

    We’ll sell Cabaye and bring in a replacement on less money.

  • 244 Jail for Ashley // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    TDsarf,
    They have not just become bad players but realise that their careers will pass them by without ever playing in the CL if they hang about here.

  • 245 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    JFA @239…Well said, much better than my attempt @238.

  • 246 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    Aye, just reading that myself – Wonga 4m LESS than Virgin?????!!!!!

    Surely their is some financial ombudsman who should look into the irregularities at this club. It stinks!

  • 247 Jail for Ashley // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    TDsarf,
    You have previously pointed out about Spurs,Arsenal selling players Nasri,Berbatov etc, these players were screaming to go ready to go on strike, when has Yohan Cabaye once mentioned a move yet Percy has had him in the shop window all summer then crocodile tears when it happens.

  • 248 The puppy formerly known as prince // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    Ibiza – I couldn’t fight to the death, not with my back and my knees.

  • 249 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    Ibiza
    But we had a playing style, we had a passing game
    It saw us finish 5th

    Then for some unknown reason we scrapped it, this hasn’t happened in 2 short months, it’s happened over 2 woeful pre seasons and a truly appalling season

    As for the signs of improvement I’m sorry there were absolutely none, by the time they scored in the 6th minute they could of already been 2 up, why? Because as always we started on the back foot
    Our defence has been leaking goals all last season and all pre season against frankly below average opposition in a poorly organised pre season
    So there were no signs of improvement at the back so keys would be:
    No positional sense
    No communication
    No pace
    And Steven Taylor

    To move on to your overall points
    1)Fitness
    Sorry but didn’t see any signs of this, of course they looked fit in the 1st half, they should there professional sportsmen but looked more and more lagging towards the end, probably thanks to Taylor that one though

    2) Passing
    Once again absolutely no signs, couldn’t even do the basics and for me a ten minute spell when we could pass was because city simply say off before picking us off again
    There was no cutting edge to the passing, no penetration useless

    3) Movement
    Quiet simply there wasn’t any, I can’t really add to that no one moved no one wanted the ball no one looked to support cisse

    4) Pressing
    None, none at all

    5) Tactics
    Same as 4, unless the tactic was to run around aimlessly

    We’re going backwards and is there for all to see, the pundits had it spot on, we didn’t look a team simply 11 (10) blokes on a field who looked like they’d never met before

  • 250 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    Do you think NUFC could afford say 10 to 15mil on a player or two? MA unwilling to spend that he wants that in.
    What do you think of the way our club is run?

  • 251 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    Ibiza

    Makes sense. I’ll not be happy with only Remy. That will put us rock bottom of the incoming list…

  • 252 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Jesper…I hadn’t seen that article. Interesting to say the least.

    I’m not sure why they would want that deal then, other than to play in with the conspiracies that Ashley really does simply hate Geordies, which I find a little far fetched with this example.

    Could it be a case of the way the two deals were structured? Maybe differing payments for different years? Maybe the snapshot of this season shows £6m, but that doesn’t tell the whole story?

    I really have no idea, just throwing out ideas as it doesn’t make much sense to little old me ;)

  • 253 Jail for Ashley // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Ibiza,
    Thankyou
    Beattie,
    We’ll hear the truth now that Anita was Cabs replacement and last season was bedding him in,so why he never played last night I don’t know.

  • 254 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    TDS
    So what they will suddenly just click? Ok
    And it’s not the same team that finished 5th not by a long shot

  • 255 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    TooDoonSooth
    Tend to agree got good players better than when we finished fifth except for a goalscorer.

    Then it can only be down to the manager and his back room staff.

  • 256 scout // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Fella on talksport now you can sense the desperation in his voice. Sad days lads

  • 257 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    puppy…Okay then, fight until one of us needs to have a sit down? I concede, you win. Ah, that’s better.

    TDS…It does? :) I really underestimated that factor last season. Spewed out stuff like “why would the team that finished 5th want to risk losing their places” and “it’s far better that we’ve kept this team than having to trade losing a player for new players”…didn’t work out so well and lessons were indeed learnt…by me at least, not so sure about Mike.

    Tads…This is a weird one for me as many fans have given recollections about that 5th finishing season that don’t tie in with my memories. Apparently we really played no differently that season, it was more luck and determination rather than a better style. I think we were effective that season, but I don’t think too much changed with regards to the coaching between the 2 seasons.

    Thanks for responding to the 5 points. Others have said the same as you, others given a different account…who would have thought opinion would differ on here?!? :)

    I still maintain our biggest problem right now is confidence. Whatever it is that is needed to sort that out should be number one priority. The likely reason it isn’t being sorted is that the person who is responsible knows why and isn’t going to be moving on anytime soon without being pushed. That can apply to the manager or owner as you see fit. I know which one I view as the biggest culprit.

  • 258 89Norcal // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    Listening to talksport myself. Think everyone is spot on. Nice to see someone other than toon fans raising awareness to our tightfisted transfer policies

  • 259 scout // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    Could of had Redmond in for 2.5 million, I very much doubt he’s on 40k a week, no excuses really. The blokes a muppet who cares little about our upcoming demise. Close the door on your way out, we need a hero

  • 260 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Ibiza
    So if the main issue is confidence, and the cause of the loss of confidence isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, then how do the club progress?

  • 261 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    JfA

    Agree regarding the disarray last night, it was a disgrace. Ok, we were playing away to probably the best team in the league and we lost our key midfielder on the day but still…there should have been better plans in case he was injured or something like that happened. It looked like the players were just p*ssed off by the situation…

    I don’t blame players for leaving for CL teams but they have to believe that they need to try their hearts out for us first. If every player in our squad had that realistic ambition and the skill to match then not only would they get to play for a CL team, but it would be for NUFC. We need lots of those kinds of players like Spurs have managed to get.

  • 262 Transfer Sage // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Why sell cabaye for anything less than 25mil. He might not be worth it to a lot of clubs but arsenal got desperate the other summer on the final day so might be worth holding out and getting a replacement in before hand…I’d rather have one too many than one too few.

  • 263 scout // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    Would anyone take another season in the championship if it meant MA left the club?

  • 264 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    JfA

    I don’t get the shop window stuff regarding Cabaye. We’ve never said that any of our top players are for sale or any aren’t. We know that they all are for the right money, but that’s like every club outside of the top 6.

  • 265 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Norcal
    The whole football world can see it mate, just not the fat fecker who runs the club

  • 266 Jonny // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Start gosling and dummet, sign ince, McCarthy, Sinclair, Hughes, a cb an restore some English passion, pride that we massively miss. Just look at uniteds team.

  • 267 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    tads…Howay, what are you doing asking me a question like that?

    It’s easier to see the problems, dealing with them? Not so easy.

  • 268 scout // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Players like spurs that soldado will be on 100k a week. You’re having a laugh mate

  • 269 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    TADS

    The players are virtually the same as the team that finished 5th though. But they are not playing as well…

  • 270 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Charlie

    In the end, they have to take responsibility…last season there were extenuating circumstances for sure and you could say the same about yesterday. But now for the next 2 home games. Those need to be 2 wins.

  • 271 Graeme // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Sky saying Luckypoo agreed to bring in Ali Sissoko on a season long loan – another one we were linked to that didnt happen!!!

  • 272 Shearer.Milburn // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Scout… yes!!!

  • 273 scout // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Anyone listening this bloke is mike Ashley’s PA what a joker. Does he watch the games through and telescope

  • 274 The puppy formerly known as prince // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    People keep comparing us to the team that finished 5th
    from what I remember and have found these are the main missing players from that season ( the numbers are games played and goals scored):

    DF Danny Simpson 40 1
    MF Danny Guthrie 19 2
    FW Peter Løvenkrands 12 3
    DF James Perch 27 0
    FW Leon Best 21 4
    FW Demba Ba 35 16
    Quite an influence of players there and though they lacked quality in some areas they had fight about them, Add to that list the missing due to injury or can’t get a game now:

    MF Dan Gosling 16 1
    DF Ryan Taylor 33 3

    I would say there’s a lot of player change from the team that finished fifth and not all have been replaced. Thats why we’re not playing the same type of football IMO.

  • 275 fatman // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    all stems from a pathetic manager, we will have to go through the motions of dumping Pardew then killing Joe, should happen in a few weeks, when we have 50,000 singing you don’t know what your doing. then we hit the unknown what will fatty do?

  • 276 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Ibiza

    Yup, it does! If a player is getting stale then shift him on for big money. But ensure that you replace him with 1 or 2 hungrier players. We’d better have Cabaye replacements lined up if he goes. That could make things completely different.

  • 277 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    @ scout

    Yip! Where do I sign?

  • 278 Transfer Sage // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    TDS

    I think last night was terrible after the red card…before was spirited and better technically even if we struggled to contain them or score, they were just superb.

    Ben arfa strolled past players for fun last night, I really wish that lad could just tie everything together and become our ronaldo, messi, bale, van persie etc….could help us kick on so much.

    Then we just need 3/4 good players to make us a side capable of challenging top 4.

    I saw enough early in the game to make me think I’ll give pardew the benefit of the doubt that has tried too change the playing style.

    We still lacked a plan B and weren’t great but there were some small signs of fluency.

  • 279 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Sage
    But we know we won’t bring a replacement in before selling so how does a deadline day deal for cabs do anything but have Ashley rubbing his hands with glee?
    His value imo is irrelevant because the squad won’t benefit

    TDS
    Pardew has said all summer were “powerless” if a bid came NO other manager has spouted such waffle this window, not one

    Ibiza
    Don’t claim to have any solution but can’t see where the opinion were on the up is pulled from because frankly were regressing massively

  • 280 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    TDS….Now you’ve said it could makes this completely different I fear it wont happen…what has this afternoon on the blog done to me? :)

    In a way, I’m just glad this Cabaye thing has started now and not deadline day. At least there is a chance, albeit a small one, that the club will act accordingly. Time will tell.

  • 281 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    fatman

    I want to see what happens in the next 2 home games before calling for his head…those are games we have to win.

  • 282 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    TS

    That’s good to hear, I actually missed most of the first half due to work commitments so it sounds like I saw the worst bits! I knew we were 2-0 down too so I wasn’t in a huge hurry I must admit…

    Some people are overreacting based on yesterday’s embarrassment, but I think the next 2 home games are key.

  • 283 Transfer Sage // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    Scout

    Spurs say they have a 60/70k a week wage cap, not too dissimilar to us unless its changed this year.

    I’m looking to start an Ashley out campaign this coming week if you’d like to join or assist?

    Thinking total boycott won’t happen (people want to support the boys) so going to target certain games as well as for those who want to go to take banners demanding to spend or sell up.

  • 284 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    @transfer sage – the only sign of fluency was Ben Arfa coasting past their defenders. What else was there? The passing was very poor throughout.

  • 285 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    TADS

    I see what you mean…but I’ve heard many other managers outside the top 6 say things like that. For a player like Cabaye, we all know why he’s at the club, he couldn’t very well say that he would refuse any offer because Cabaye would be straight in his office and be , unhappy. Cabaye, Tiote, Cisse, Debuchy, MYM, Sissoko and others will all have joined us as a stepping to one of the big 4 in the PL. It’s as simple as that.

  • 286 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    TDS
    We featured players regularly such as Guthrie Simpson Williamson Ryan Taylor Shola Best Obertan Perch and Ba

    You say the players we now have are better, on paper they are but in practice have shown nowhere near the mentality or even ability to back up that claim

  • 287 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    tads…Sorry mate, for once I really wasn’t trying to wave the flag of optimism and saying that everything would be alright. It was just a genuine question, that within all the current horror, was there any improvement at all, even if just slight, to the playing style? At least a willingness to try and change parts of it?

  • 288 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Ibiza

    Time will tell indeed…but sadly once again we are left dreading the last 2 weeks of the transfer window rather than being excited by it…

  • 289 Novocastrian66 // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Seems like nufc.com is ITK. Does anyone have any ifo on their speculation?
    TS I would not support any anti Ashley campaigns during a game. I have seen how these can be counter productive in the past.
    I believe that during the game we should back the team.

  • 290 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Ibiza
    For some maybe but not for me, if fans see stringing a couple of passes together as improvement then are standard have been successfully lowered by Ashley

  • 291 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    TADS

    Yep. Several of those players are still with the club and several others have transferred to championship clubs. Our players are simply better, it’s just down to Pardew to ensure that they play as a unit.

    Yesterday was a complete mess but I’m reserving judgement until after the next 2 games.

  • 292 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    TDS
    Who? What managers have said similar?

  • 293 Transfer Sage // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Tads

    I agree it won’t help in anyway selling as the money won’t be spent this window, jan at earliest. I don’t care on money, makes no difference to me whether we spend 1 or 100mil…it’s all about bringing in good players, could all be free as long as they improve us.

    TDS

    Not many will agree with me on last nights have in style I don’t think, not from reading today. I just saw enough to make me think things were improving.

    Still not happy on team selection and subs but I think cisse was less isolated until the red card which is a start. (Not happy with pardew and think we can do better but if he is to stay I want to see more improvement)

    We were also going to get torn open and struggle to score against that side, they are all world class players. So the two home games coming up and the next 6 in general will shape our season I think.

  • 294 SharpEnough23 // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    Actions speak louder than words, every piece of merch every match ticket or season ticket bought is just lining that fat c@nts pocket

    I will not spend another penny on this club until he sells

  • 295 Marty-Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    Ok Freddy was greedy but then who wouldn’t have been in
    his position?
    He did however as stated here,have us playing great exciting football and put us on the globe.
    I like the MA way of keeping the club cash friendly but there’s gotta be
    a point where his investment would turn to enjoyment and with better support money wise he will get a team playing better,happier fans spending more dosh and a team further up the league thus earning more money for him.
    We’ve fallen far behind the likes of even Stoke,Norwich and West Ham.
    We seem to be the easy team to beat even at home.
    Can’t see us with 1 point from our first 3 games and then it’ll be too late to add to the squad
    MA out AP out JK out Obertan out Gutierrez out :-)

  • 296 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    TDS
    Sorry but I simply don’t agree, and certainly don’t think that pardew can get them playing as a unit
    The whole team looked dejected

  • 297 Transfer Sage // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Novo

    Banners up won’t do much harm, or even a sit in after when banners can be put up. Staying away from say 1 in 4 home games too?

    It might be bad for the players short term but log term if it works it would help I believe.

    Just my opinion of course.

  • 298 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    tads…I think you’re taking in too many factors in to this topic. You say “if fans see stringing a couple of passes together as improvement then are standard have been successfully lowered by Ashley”…well we seemed to struggle to make any passes last season, so signs that we were working on it would be an improvement on that issue.

    Anyway, I think we’ve probably beaten this one well and truly to death. I’ll kick it once more just to make sure…

    *Smack*

    Yep, it’s dead :)

    TDS…Did you know there are fans of some clubs that actually look forward to deadline day? Not sure why that is ;)

  • 299 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Ibiza
    At the end of the day mate think you need to find a link of extended highlights as we all have different opinions
    Stringing a couple of passes in our own half with no direction giving city a chance to regroup and gain shape for me is no improvement

  • 300 ToonAndy // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    This would be quite tasty…

    ———————–KRUL———————–

    DEBUCHY–COLLO–M’BIWA–SANTON

    ———–SISSOKO—–MARVIN M———-

    BENNY———–REMY————THAUVIN

    ———————-CISSE————————–

    And then a manager like Laudrup who could actually get them playing like a team…

  • 301 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    TADS

    I’m sorry, I can’t just come up with names of managers that have said it before but I know I’ve heard it. Not from those in the top 6 but I’m pretty sure that even Moyes said it at Everton before. Many others too.

  • 302 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    tads…I think you may well be right…extended highlights it is.

  • 303 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Everyones favourite has jumped in…

    Colin ?@cwarr07 Protected account 2m

    PSG table €17.5m offer @YCabayeofficiel Over to you Wenger #AFC #NUFC

  • 304 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    Ibiza

    I vaguely recall a day that we did too…but that was just because Shepherd liked to sign everyone in the last 48 hours of the window!

  • 305 geordie157 // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    ToonAndy I like that side.

    I’d have Dummett in though over Debuchy, I think his performance last night showed that he could have what it takes to be a regular in the side.

  • 306 toon22 // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Its obvious whats happening
    MA wants to sell and wants as much money as possible,this include the money he loaned the club.
    He takes the money he is owed and sells for the same price he quoted as the value of the club.

    We aint going to spend money as MA is going to trouser it.The team dont matter its worth the same to him no matter what the turmoil.

  • 307 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    Ibiza
    A heads up though if your looking for positives, don’t watch pardews interview after the game
    Basically saying no targets are lined up blah blah blah

  • 308 elpaso_geordie // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    I think we need to go down the villa route with Lambert,

    get rid of Cabaye, Debuchy in fact there isnt one squad member i would refuse money for apart from Krul
    Use the money for Ince, Hughes, Maguire etc
    Play Dummett
    Get a good core of good young players ( mostly english not all) with bags more potential, wages will be less long term, take a few beatings which under Pardew we are prone to anyhow and develop it. We would have as much chance staying up as we do now imho and future would loke better.
    Hughes 10 mil, Ince 8mil, Maguire 5m . Just examples but more than achievable

  • 309 scout // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    Why get Kinnear in then? Might as well had sent the Mackem mover in for the meetings then

  • 310 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    toon22…That scenario could well be the silver lining one. What do you think about the idea that he isn’t doing it with a view to sell the club, but just to keep it ticking along and providing a constant springboard of exposure for SD?

    Tads…A red card, an injury, 4 goals conceded, away to Man City and apparently only one shot towards goal….I’m not expecting much mate.

  • 311 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Jesus…the grass isn’t always greener you know people! Drop Debuchy and put in Dummett based on 1 game, get rid of Cabaye and sign players like Ince with no experience in the PL.

  • 312 DokToon // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    i have to agree, i need to see what happens with the next two matches, west ham and fulham, before i drink myself stupid over what is happening in front of our eyes to our club…

    someone earlier said a thing about an american buyer… i wish to god mark cuban, owner of the dallas nba frnachise would buy us… this guy, racks up hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines, becuase of his pasion for his team, he refuses to sit in the owners box, instead sit in the floor seats… hes been trying to buy an mlb team and they wont let him.. and he isnt afriad to spend to be a winner… hes exactly what we need…

    im in texas, maybe i could bump in to him, and convince him to take a look :)

  • 313 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    TADS

    So there’s; ” If you’re going to come and try to take our better players we don’t sell cheap, that’s for sure”, David Moyes, 17th October 2011

    That sounds the same as our message.

  • 314 Ben3arfa // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    So Ashley directly involved in selling Cabaye but doesnt give two sh!t$ about buying new players.

    What a dog

  • 315 Toon1978 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    I would drop Debuchy for the West Ham match. He is really struggling with the English game.

    ________________Krul_________________

    Anita______Mbiwa____Collocinni__Dummett

    HBA______Sissoko____Tiote_____Marveaux

    ____________Cisse___Goufrann__________

    We really need width. Marveaux is more a number 10 imo and HBA also is more a No 10 playing behind the front two. I have said it so many times, we need 2 quality wingers. City had this last night and they were awesome. I really hope for the sake of our EPL survival we bring in wingers and strikers. Obertan is simply not good enough and neither is young Sammy. If we fail in bringing in wingers we will really need young Fergy back at this club as he is only one of two players who can get to the byline and whip in good crosses giving service to Cisse, the other is Dummett. Unfortunately THICK IDIOT Pardew seems to miss the obvious.

  • 316 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    I certainly get the impression alot of our players don’t really want to play for us any more. Something is a miss within camp.

  • 317 nufc_eire // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/20/stephane-mbia-leave-qpr

    Mbia would be a decent signing if we primarily use him as a centre back. Lack of height last night was a huge problem for us and against sides with taller strikers he would be useful. Also he can cover DM as well. PLus he has no agent so his overall price would be really low

    Hoilett would be another of the QPR team I would go for and wouldnt cost too much either id imagine

  • 318 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    TDS
    No it doesn’t, that sounds one clear message

    Not the same as saying were powerless if a big club comes in nearly every window related interview

  • 319 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    TADS

    Pardew last year, “”But if Yohan Cabaye gets a call from Manchester United and they tell him he is going to be the next Paul Scholes I am not going to be able to stop him.

    “It is going to cost Manchester United a shedload of money, but until we have Champions League football, and we might have that by this weekend, we cannot compete with that.”

    What’s the difference?

  • 320 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Spurs regarding Bale, “‘We very much want Bale to stay,’ he said.

    ‘But if a player is desperate to leave, it’s very difficult to force him to stay. We’ve seen it in other clubs.

    ‘Even if he has a contract, you can’t force somebody to play for you.”

  • 321 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    TDS – “Some people are overreacting based on yesterday’s embarrassment, but I think the next 2 home games are key.” It’s not based on yesterday’s embarrassment mate. It’s based on the embarrassment of last season and of Pardew, the master of excuses.

    Pardew now says Cabaye’s omission had a “huge bearing” on the result. What an idiot! Cabaye the world beater! The man is deluded. He even says we did well in the first half and “frettened” their goal? I’m surprised Carragher didn’t choke on his scouse.

    As for Pardew v Joe Kinnear, that’s not going to happen. Pardew is going to go despite his optimistic, tough talk (bullshit) before and after the game. Ashley doesn’t suffer fools gladly, and Pardew’s a fool. He came within a whisker of it last season. At worst, when pardew goes, Joe will act as a very temporary caretaker.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if we hear in the very near future of Ashley selling up.

  • 322 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    I HAVE A PROPOSITION
    Bear with me.
    Enough is enough,we need to get MA out of our club.He is the sole reason we are where we are.I was going to wait until the window finished to pass judgement but i can’t.If we can go into the 1st game of the Premier league season with basically the same team that struggled last season minus Cabaye and with a half fit Ben Arfa something is seriously wrong with this club,i watched Fulham sign Scott Parker in about an hour yesterday,not to concerned with the result last night,people are over-reacting because we have been hammered first game but in a few months time last nights result will look normal because most teams that go there are going to get hammered.Now whether your in the camp that Pardew should be given til Christmas or the camp that he should be sacked the majority of us have 1 thing in common,most of us hate MA,i’m calling on us all to focus our hatred on our owner,there is no point in asking for Pardew to be sacked,we ALL know who our next manager is,Joe Kinnear,even if it is in the short term do you think he will appoint a world class manager?,MA needs a manager to do as he is told,that is why Keegan went.What world class manager in their right mind is going to join us with him in charge?,he needs to go for the good of the club,we saw yesterday with Cabaye what effect is his lack of ambition having on the players,as soon as a decent club comes in for them they will be gone.The ONLY way we all get what we want is if he sells up and f*cks off.We nearly got rid of him once,we can do it again.

  • 323 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Jol felt powerless when Dempsey left for Spurs according to Sky Sports, “”We did everything we could do so there are no regrets.

    “He wanted to be appreciated financially and he wanted a bigger club, a Champions League club, and that is what he probably got with Spurs”

  • 324 Toon1978 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Its normally the NUFC benevolent fund when we have two home games off the belt. We generally end up with 2 bloody points.

  • 325 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Blackley

    Pure speculation on Ashley selling up. There’s no evidence of that at all. And if he was going to, why wouldn’t he have done so before the transfer window to give the new owner a chance to have some fun with transfers?

    Pardew is in last chance saloon no doubt about that, but he’s not going to get sacked now so I’d rather sit on the fence until I see what happens the next 2 games. I’d rather do that than look like a tit when we start to do well.

  • 326 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    It’s really easy to think the grass is greener on the other side. I know Pardew made mistakes last year but so did most of the squad, so did Llambias and so did Ashley. You’ve got to give them some time to see if they’ve learned from their mistakes. Away to probably the best team in the league with your playmaker missing, an early injury and then a red card doesn’t really make a great judgement!

  • 327 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    We can’t even compete with newly promoted clubs in the transfer market.
    Pity

  • 328 mattyNUFC // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    Ibiza

    When was the last time you caught a match? You said yesterday you didn’t see it, and it seems nearly every post-match thread Ed puts up- as far back as I can remember- you nearly ALWAYS say you couldn’t catch the match.

    I only ask because it seems like you’ve yet to witness just how dire we are and how appalling we’ve been over the past two years

  • 329 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    @nufc_aire – m’bia would be absolutely, unbelievably, unequivocally AWFUL! He is the ultimate fair weather player. He was abysmal for QPR and seemed to not care at all, just glad to get his money.

    Did you just pick the name out of the free transfer list? Surely you don’t want him based on last season?

  • 330 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    matty…Ha, I saw your comment on that from last night and did respond earlier today…I’ll try and find the response and repost for you good sir.

    I do miss a fair few because of timing with work etc, however I think I catch the majority of games, but don’t keep track.

  • 331 89Norcal // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    TDS

    I was all for giving pardew a fair chance but the more I watch the players body language the more I feel pardew has lost them. A new manager would probably be a lift but true it could backfire again.

    Still blame ownership because new signings are the most effective upper for a faltering club. All this negativity circulating about the club is starting to manifest more on the pitch

  • 332 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    TDS…It may not always be greener on the other side, but is the grass longer? If it, that may be a problem for the players…

    Sorry, that’s not helping, but I couldn’t resist.

    Right, back to searching for my post to matty.

  • 333 Sazzer // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    Victor Moses on loan to West Brom….

  • 334 paul24 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    @89Norcal 328

    Totally agree with you on that, watching the match I thought a lot of players looked like they had lost confidence with themselves and the manager, and some looked like they just couldnt be ar5ed.

  • 335 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    matty…Okay, I can’t find it or maybe I never sent a post earlier about your comment…either way…you’re wrong :) I do watch the majority of games, but yes, there have been times that I haven’t been able to watch it due to work or my internet crashing, but rest assured, I saw how we played last season…I’ve never claimed it was good football, have I?

    Norcal…Spot on.

  • 336 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    TDS
    I agree there’s no evidence MA wants to sell the club. In fact I can’t see it happening any time soon.
    As far as mistakes go I think MA has had plenty of time to realise were he’s going wrong, but in his eyes its his club and he’ll dam well do what he likes, changing the name of the stadium is just one example.

  • 337 Sazzer // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    It’s not done deal yet but the clubs have agreed a deal.

  • 338 mattyNUFC // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    ibiza

    wasn’t a slight either, fyi

    i just wanted to make sure you;re fully being immersed in this dogs*** as well :) …..ya know, united and all that

  • 339 Jail for Ashley // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    TDsarf,
    What on earth do you mean,we have to give them time to see if they have learnt from their mistakes,they clearly fuskin haven’t ,what part don’t you get.

  • 340 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    TDS – I really don’t understand why you don’t get it. You’re scared of looking like a tit. I’ve been saying since November last year that Pardew has lost the plot. I’d be delighted if he proved me wrong and made me look a right tit. So you want to give it another couple of games. Why not another couple of games after that and so on? The main reason I reckon Pardew will be sacked is that the average duration of managers is 2.13 seasons. Pardew has passed that but I still reckon he wont see three full years because that is football. You have to be a top manager to overcome that and Pardew is shit. It’s only because Ashley is new at this game that Pardew’s had a stay of execution.

    As for Ashley quitting, that is just a hunch. I sense it in the tea leaves. Don’t believe the façade that he can take the pain of the fans on his back.

  • 341 89Norcal // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Pawl, Ibiza

    And its impossible to even play a team like City with that attitude. Cabaye being absent was the icing, why can’t we conjure up that fight that the likes of WHU can? I think they’ll see us ripe for the taking.

    Don’t want to stereotype frenchies as Mbiwa, hate and Sissoko tried to make some magic when we went 2-0 down but were snuffed out quickly

    How much longer before the few spark players we have are fed up as well?

  • 342 89Norcal // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Oops meant *Paul

  • 343 thejokethatisnufc // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Toondarnsath its Pardews excuses rhat f me rite off

  • 344 Tommyy // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Cannot fathom how some people are still defending Pardew. His time is well and truly over and now we’re only going to see demoralised, unorganised and gutless displays from now on under his tenure. You saw how frustrated the players were yesterday and that was the first game!

  • 345 Jackel001 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Sazzer

    That could mean sinclair deal has fallen through and maybe Sinclair to us?

  • 346 Toon1978 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Jail for Ashley (336)

    Well said.

  • 347 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Ibiza, the longer lusher grass is a problem for our players, many of whom are used to playing on the continent where it is shorter and drier. Certain areas of France are a particular problem. It’s in Pardew’s “Bible of Excuses”, chapter 236, “Playing Surfaces”. It comes after “Stadia and Facilities” and before “Weather”

  • 348 dembademba // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Pardew out. End of.

    stale, boring, unimaginative, defeatist. New face would do us good. Di matteo would take the job I’m sure

  • 349 qwan // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Ok….. I’ve had time to reflect on last nights….. How can we put it….. Effort!!!!! So, bad points….. Our total lack of penetration, rigid midfield (how hard is it to pass and move? Triangles….. Jesus!!!!! Maybe we should hand out set squares at training!!!!! Back to the point….. Bad points….. Debuchy, Cabayes no show (whatever the reason moral is going to be hit hard) defencive play, discipline and fitness (Faye shmaye)!!!!! Now good points….. The ever so slight increase in tempo and accuracy with regards to our passing….. Im not talking Brazil 1970 here more along the lines of Brighton 2012!!!!! There was a definite improvement but unless you had a microscope you may have missed it. The players harried and pressed a little better. The second half performance though wasn’t too bad….. Apart from Debuchy playing sedaku just before that little t!t from Arsenal scored. I think that half may give the team a little confidence….. And boy do they need it. I’m a little worried as to what they do in training….. I must add that I am not a Pardew hater….. Nor am I his best fan. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt early doors this season. I’m a little worried as to how rigid we are but this may have more to do with personnel than Pardew. Which brings me on to my point….. Finally….. My thoughts about last night keep coming back to Ashley….. Or Jabba for short as I call him. This lack of player recruitment is unsettling the team, management, fans and my stomach!!!!! I feel sorry for Pardew here as what can he say….. He can’t scream for players (but inside he’s crying) because he needs to keep the current crop motivated just in case no one comes in. This is also Pardews best crack at a big job so also doesn’t want to upset the apple cart. I would probably do the same if I was manager of this magnificent club!!!!! Would probably spit in Jabbas tea mind once in a while. No, the blame lies squarely with the big slug and this game he is playing with our club….. Which I can honestly say looks like he is going to sell soon enough…. Probably at the end of the season….. Why else wouldn’t the club spend the “Carrol” money and all the other money the club gets from sponsorship etc. It makes no sense at all. He is gambling that we stay up and recoup the money at the end and then he will eff off to Scotland….. Leaving this once proud clubbroken and bruised in his wake. But….. He underestimates us….. We will rise again….. Like we have before….. Lets not let this man grind us down. We are united and that’s what we will be (eventually)!!!!!

  • 350 89Norcal // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Thing about Pardew is I don’t think he’s inept like some here do. When you’re in a downward spiral and self doubt starts to seep in, its extremely difficult to recover.

    Add in injuries to our best players and the unbearable scrutiny of this fan base :) and it becomes him vs the world.

    But he didn’t help himself with some of his selections. Offs Anita’s first whif of decent game time comes vs City and Toure. He looked a bit rusty.

  • 351 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    TDS
    What’s the difference? The difference is the still play the players, they comment once then refuse to get drawn in to it every bloody interview, they maintain there in the driving seat

    Spurs have well and truly put there foot down over bale and refuse to comment further

    Yet pardew hands all power over by moaning over and over that were simply powerless
    The club is as gutless off the pitch as it is on it

  • 352 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Whoever said Gouffran is the answer up front has gone very quiet. This was based on his goal scoring record in France. Incidentally, I’m still waiting to discover the number of goals he scored in France in his last five seasons.

  • 353 dembademba // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    I was laughing when Neville said we would be lining up 433. When I saw ben arfa 2 cms and Gutierrez in the team it was always gna be 442. And it was. Gouffran looked lost, Ben arfa to far away from the box, cisse needs good players around him. Defence was a shambles. Pardew has learnt nothing, trying to get our players into his system. Not using a system fitted to the players. The squad is weak, and needs investment but could see last night coming a mile off.

    Everyone else has got better, we have not. And don’t think we will. I see another relegation scrap tbh. Gonna be a longggg season

  • 354 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Aaaah…too many posts directed at me and I’ve left my laptop to have dinner! Can’t we just meet down the pub instead? I vote my local in Woking…

  • 355 89Norcal // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Gouffran was never actually a prolific scorer. But he got double digits in his 2nd to last season with boardeaux and almost did again before joining us.

    I really like his football though, clever and isn’t selfish. But anyone would struggle with our attack setup.

  • 356 Tommyy // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    We need a new face just to freshen things up and get the players motivated and organised again.

    If it were me I’d go all out to get Hiddink in for the season to try and steady the ship, giving the board a season to sound out a proper replacement.

  • 357 geordie157 // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    TDsarf

    Drop Debuchy and play Dummett based on one game.

    Can’t see an argument not to drop Debuchy, he’s be poor since we signed him, if he wasn’t suspended for those 3 games due to his “cowards way out” red card vs Liverpool, then Simpson wouldn’t have come in and at least helped us defend better.

    His positional sense is all over the place, he’s reckless, looks like he can’t give a shi*.

    Dummett yes its only a brief appearance, but he defended better than mbiwa or debuchy in the full back positions. Give him a run of games in the side!

    I may be over reacting, but I’ve seen Debuchy half a dozen times now and every times he’s looked out of his depth.

  • 358 89Norcal // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    I support seeing Dummett get a run of games. Get some stability going with our CBs and forget putting Mbiwa at LB for now.

    I thought Dummett’s effort vs Navas was wonderful. Wasn’t at all phased and just tried to prove himself.

  • 359 Tommyy // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    I liked the look of Dummett also, came on in awful circumstances and kept Navas very quiet. He’s also no slouch, and he’s motivated to make it as a good player.

  • 360 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    Gouffran was the only one remotely close to scoring last night . The quicker we bring in Gomis or get Remy fit the better.

  • 361 89Norcal // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    Didn’t Dummett attack and put in a good cross straight away as well, definitely deserves a 1st team shot

  • 362 Rooster // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    I still think Cisse can score goals but a problem for me is he is really hopeless as a strike partner, hardly ever saw him and demba complete a pass together and im serious about that, his link up play is awful, gets caught offside all the time, and also terrible to watch! sorry Pappis, Remy is much more exciting and I just hope he hits the ground running.

    A lot of whispers about ALDERWEIRELD, last night probably frightened a few off, Colo n Saylor are becoming a wee bit dodgy and Mr Newcastle, Taylor, with his big daft gob, and theatricals needs to move on, not good enough. COLO MAYBE THE SLOWEST CENTRE HALF IN THE PREM AND ALTHOUGH HE CAN READ A GAME TEAMS NOW KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE LAD.

  • 363 mattyNUFC // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    89

    he’s inept

    worst of all, his ego will continue to stifle us until MA deservedly and at long last relieves him of the duties his competency and approach will never allow him to fulfill

  • 364 jayphoto // Aug 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    Probaby best to put the Sakho ideas to bed. he wants a €6.5m a year salary! Theres not a cat in hells chance that Ashley would ever sanction that for a defender! His agent is talking to Arsenal spurs and Liverpool, Barcelona and A.C Milan this week….

  • 365 89Norcal // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Rooster

    Cisse’s abilities lie in his finishing ability and that’s about it. Always has been. He needs the service otherwise he can’t contribute to the team in the form of goals.

    Is Rooney still linked here? :)

    mattyNUFC

    you’ll understand if I don’t side with attacking the man personally.

  • 366 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Big Papa C, Gouffran was nowhere near scoring other than when he completely mistimed his run and was a mile offside. His hold up play and distribution was rank bad. He has no presence. I ask again, he’s 27, how many goals did he score in France over his last five seasons there to justify him being called goal scorer, never mind one who’s good enough for us?

  • 367 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    Rooster, Taylor is a complete tit head! He bounces about and gets himself into all sorts of bother. He’s getting worse. He reminds me of Tigger.

  • 368 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    We need an owner similar to Mike Ashley but with more ambition. For example, we could’ve signed 4 quality players for £30m insead of splashing out £30m on just one player.

    We need a new manager that can get the players playing to their best standards and who also selects players in their correct positions and plays Marveaux and Anita more often.

    Anita did well yesterday and should’ve started.

  • 369 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Debuchy is a liability every time he goes running in I expect him giving a penalty away, very over rated player imo.
    MA been hoping to sell a player for decent money ever since the Window opened. Who knows we MIGHT get another French striker in if the price is right.

  • 370 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    @newcastle29: “@thielesentinel: Alan Pardew here at the Lyon-Sociedad match this evening #nufc #OL” @nufcfans @stevewraith @BigAls09

    @newcastle29: “@thielesentinel: Alan Pardew here at the Lyon-Sociedad match this evening #nufc #OL” @nufcfans @stevewraith @BigAls09

  • 371 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    @Le_Danny0: Wenger talks about his bid for Cabaye. How do you feel about what he has to say? #NUFC http://t.co/Sr3xXI2dT0

  • 372 paul24 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    @Blackley and Brownlie

    His stats the over the last 2 seasons at Bordeaux were’nt too bad, pretty much a goal every other game. But before that his stats where pretty poor.

  • 373 mattyNUFC // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    89

    not like he’s undeserving character critique

    he’s a total clown; adulterous womanizer, pathological liar, horrible football manager- take your pick

  • 374 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    Blackley And Brownlie
    Tigger or trigger!!!!
    Alright dave

  • 375 stu mel // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    Something needs done I am sick of Newcastle we are the clowns of the pl it won’t change, I’m going to start like a AA group but for Newcastle fan, I would sound a bit like I haven’t been to a match since JFK appointed I still think about them every day, I just want to shout at shola one more time,
    Then a old boy pipe up and say I remember the day we had a 14 point lead,
    Then the leader of the group. Telling him to stop and that that kind of talk doesn’t help anyone
    Follow by a comment whispered in the conor “we are going to sign_____”
    At that point the room all now that, once you touch the sweet nectar of Newcastle it’d you don’t your forever taughted and the is no such thing as a cure ha ha ha

  • 376 89Norcal // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Matty – lol I’ll take womanizer; seems the most “nice” out of those :)

    I have to say Kets actually read my mind a bit. I don’t want a sugar daddy who splurges and overspends but would like businessman as shrewd as MA but not nearly as tightfisted.

  • 377 89Norcal // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Well 11 more days to get some quality through the door…

    what do you guys figure Joe is up to right now?

    https://twitter.com/AndrewDrapier/status/369028283679002624/photo/1

  • 378 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    matty…I took it the right way, who wouldn’t to share the joys of the toon? :)

    Right then lads and lasses, feeding time at the asylum. Catch you later

  • 379 colwell // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Not for me football is all about money, the more you spend the better your team is going to be.

    I’d love to one day see we have bid 100m for Ronaldo or Bale etc instead of hanging about in the small pond.

  • 380 Rooster // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    B&B, I get it with the Tigger reference, he is such a strange lad in a lot of ways isn’t he, tries to con officials with his Fred Karno antics, he has got away with it quite a few times as well, he made his we will show them!?! remark last month and who he was talking about is up for debate, he did mention the keyboard warriors as well ha ha! there is a reason for discontent Mr Taylor 9 home defeats and 14-1 against!! you play in defence don’t you???? in the last 5 game,>>>.sick of the sight of you and the Ameobi`s. nice kids sort of thing isn’t cutting it anymore.

  • 381 Klatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    AP knows Gomis wouldnt be anywhere near the Lyon squad tonight,right?…maybe hes watching Antoine Grieszman…we can dream :)

  • 382 eaststandgeordie1982 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Good days will come lads in the future #weweretherewhenweweresh1t

  • 383 GeordieTwo // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    Great link Norcal @373. Just how I imagined the great Kinnear doing his job. Busting a gut??? for Newcastle. Or busting a gut fitting another half pint in?

  • 384 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    @ Blackley and Brownlie

    Ok we get it, you don’t like Gouffran . I don’t rate him that highly either but he is currently our second best option to Cisse at the minute, although Cisse was garbage last night. Mind you Pardew still can’t see he isn’t a lone striker.

  • 385 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    Maybe watching Gourcuff as the cabaye replacement?

  • 386 mot7 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    hatem krull and dummet are the only players i would be disapointed to see leave the rest are average .
    These cheap frenchies seem to be cheap for a reason there shite .
    As for colo our capatain and leader he needs to open his gob on the pitch.
    Cisse seems to have a lot of fans for a player who cant pass head dribble or control a football and his attitude stinks

  • 387 colwell // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    pic.twitter.com/Yr4vRGOtDb

    In Nice, hopefully not on holiday (Pards,JFK,Charney)

  • 388 colwell // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Colin ?@cwarr07 Protected account 4m
    Kinnear Carr Pardew & Charnley at Nice Airport today #NUFC pic.twitter.com/Yr4vRGOtDb
    View photo

  • 389 Belfast-Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    We had 3 players who made chances and scored goals, Carroll, Nolan and Barton! They were replaced with guys aye better technically but half the grit, balls and fight that is needed in the prem league!

  • 390 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    BPC
    But at the same time he can’t play with a partner either him and demba were a shambles as a pair

    Did cisse play up top alone at Freiburg or did he have a partner?

  • 391 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    We saw how you play Cisse . Didn’t he break or equal the PL record playing in a slick counter attacking 4-3-3 with him as the central striker ? . Why we never went back to that system is beyond me, it got us 6 wins in a row.

    If I had one question for Pardew it would be about why he dropped that formation. Cisse is a goalscorer at the end of the day and if you expect to knock balls up to him to control or run at defences then you are clueless (cough.. Pardew… cough…) .

    He needs people close to him and cutting balls in from out wide, that is why when Remy is fit we need to play :

    ——–HBA——–Cisse——–Remy——–

  • 392 Belfast-Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    Drummet needs to start, we must go after hungry young British/Irish players, will Hughes, McCarthy, Sinclair, what a fu**in goal for sociedad agin lol but yea we need tough hungry British players

  • 393 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    If you’ve got money get it on Newcastle selling Cabaye to Monaco.

    Pardew has just set off from Nice to Newcastle on a flight (as proven on twitter) and Nice is the nearest international airport to Monaco. It’s about 30 minutes away in a car.

    He’s gone and we may get a player in return, but that for me is it.

  • 394 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    @Sewellyy: Pardew, Carr and JFK in Nice airport getting on me flight. #nufc http://t.co/HzLZjlgvhu

    @Sewellyy: Another with Carr obscuring JFK. #nufc http://t.co/j396egSVbY

    @Sewellyy: Pardew and bald guy on my flight. JFK and Carr stayed behind, possibly getting on a different one.

    Seriously hope there not still chasing gomis

  • 395 OhSholaAmeobi // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    I’d like if it all the players came out and said we need to spend money. Kudos to Tiote. And well done Jonas for apologizing, a few more of them should have done the same, especially a certain ‘England international’.

    Speaking of Tiote, I don’t know if a few of you get Sissoko and Tiote mixed up but Sissoko was awful while Tiote was poor but he barely had the ball.

  • 396 Jamesthefirst // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    If West Ham turn up on Sat and beat us 3 or 4 nil Pardew will be sacked by Sunday.

    No way will Ashley tolerate us at the bottom of the league. He may be tight but he will not face another relegation fight. Under Pardew that is where we are heading.

    West Ham win on Sat, Pardew is gone. Incentive to lose? For the players who CLEARLY don’t want to play for him anymore, as evident last night.

  • 397 outsidethebox // Aug 20, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    lyon getting beat at home ..could go out of champions league ..mmmmmh

  • 398 Schwefelberg // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Napoleon was right, the British are a nation of shopkeepers. Ashley has taken it to the next level where WE PAY HIM to work for him at his shop.

    That’s right — we are all now SD employees. We show up to SJP to provide a good shop experience and ambience for the worldwide distance selling audience.

    NUFC is now a SD and Wronga Infomercial!

    And you pay to be in it!

  • 399 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    Definitely Nice airport? Photo link does not work for me as I don’t follow the fella.

  • 400 Novocastrian66 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Belfast toon. I don’t remember Barton scoring many goals. May have created one or two with his delivery from set plays, however I think this had more to do with Carroll’s abilty to get on the end of crosses.

  • 401 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    100% Nice.

    It wasn’t Cwarr that posted it, it was this lad on the same flight:

    http://twitter.com/Sewellyy/status/369902022159781888/photo/1

  • 402 Belfast-Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Ur prob right novo but he gave Nolan and Carroll a chance from most corners and free kicks, and a lot of effort. I always think to the mackem game last year, how much more they wanted it… Players like that have been missed

  • 403 Novocastrian66 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Belfast; agree with that.

    Beattie; Perhaps we’re signing a player from Nice. Cannot see Pardew getting involved in a transfer out of the club.

  • 404 stuart no9 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    whats baffling me is – certain folk on here want to give patds another 2 games . i can also remember the ‘ ashley must prove himself this window ‘ comments-in 2010. a couple of questions what will happen if we get beat yhe next 2 games – and what will happen to ash at the end of this month when not 1 signing has been added to a nigh on depleted squad? surely this 2 more games and last chance window has got to come to an end.
    For years this has gone on and is starting to be just a phrase that will never mean any thing.
    We need to pick a game, if nothing has changed in that time , pardew must know about.
    If nothing happens in a transfer window, ashley must be made aware of our discontent. Whatever happens this meaningless phrase has to be put to bed – replaced by actions of any kind to voice our concerns

  • 405 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Big Papa C, Gouffran looks a decent squad midfielder but never a striker. I thought Adam Campbell is supposed to be an out and out goal scorer so I don’t understand why he isn’t figuring, at least at the moment when we’re struggling. I don’t understand why he filled in on the left last season. I don’t understand why Shola played such a big part in pre-season full stop. But then I don’t understand why any player who has played such a big part in pre-season doesn’t figure in the opener. I don’t understand why a creative player like Marvo just gets into his stride and then gets dropped, second to, of all players, Sammy Ameobi. I don’t get why Simmo goes and Debuchy comes in. I just don’t get Pardew on many levels.

  • 406 LocalZero // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    How about a part exchange: Cabaye (with free Pardew) for £1 and Arsene Wenger.
    If it’s true that Kebab wants away and ruined moral and preparation for last night’s game then we should tell him we’ll let him rot for the 3 yrs of his contract. Better to lose £10-15m once than always have players thinking they can renege on their contracts and losing £5-10m every time. Besides, he wants to play in Brazil so he’d sharp come round and we’d lose nothing.

  • 407 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    Easyjet? To flog a player for 20m?? Really? No flights tonight from Nice by Airfrance, just Easyjet. If that’s the case I expect hundreds of people tweeting very soon.

  • 408 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    Novo

    My first thought was that too, unless there is a player exchange?!

  • 409 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    Slatymag

    There’s no denying the pictures but I agree, as soon as it lands, lots of tweets should come through.

  • 410 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    Not that there is anything wrong with Easyjet but why restrict yourself to having to be at the airport at a certain time if you are conducting million pound deals. Something not right with this picture.

    Are you sure he’s on his way back?

  • 411 AaranD // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    The problem is we have continental players being coached by old fashioned English coaches, fairly inept ones at that.
    As many people have said its like Pardew is trying to get square pegs in round holes with the way the team is set out and plays. The players don’t look happy playing the way we do and their frustration as there to be seen yesterday.

    I feel this is the core problem when looking at the playing side of things. Obviously there are many problems at the club when looking further up the chain.

  • 412 stan anderson // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    Did not expect a result at City,never do these days.That is not the way i should feel but thats what happens after watching this team for so long.
    I dont feel confident of beating many teams anymore.
    We were always the great unpredictables,but not anymore,we are very predictable in that we fail to beat even so called lesser teams.
    We cant even compete with these so called lesser clubs in the transfer market now.
    3rd biggest attendance in the premier is it we get?What a disgrace it is that we are in for a struggle again this season

  • 413 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    We were linked with Nampalys Mendy of Nice some time back. Def Mid…

  • 414 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Novo
    Apparently old pardiola gets himself a little cut of outgoing transfers fees!
    So him flying to France to flog cabaye would be no different to one of us taking our PS3 down to cash converters! ;)

  • 415 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    How would we feel if Pardew and Co. brought back Gourcuff & Gomis ? .

  • 416 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    You would assume if it had anything to do with Monaco either Ashley or Monaco themselves would’ve forked out for a private jet.

  • 417 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    Slaty
    You seem surprised that a tight get like cashley who employs most his staff on zero hour contracts would only shell out for easy jet tickets!

  • 418 Belfast-Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    Iv mentioned it a few times lad… But what do ya’s reakon bout Hoddle? Wouldn’t be that expensive, is clearly an upgrade on pards, more extensive knowledge on players and tactics, wouldn’t be expensive too. A better fit than JFK, poyet or Harry (other managers linked on betting sites)

  • 419 AaranD // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    The whole Nice thing, good base for some Italian scouting. Turin not far away.

  • 420 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    tads

    I know, I don’t know what I was thinking!!?? It all makes perfect sense. Probably got the bus along to the principality as well.

  • 421 fatman // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:31 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    thankfully someone else contend on to why Pardew gives his sales pitch to get the ball rolling, next we will get Ben Arfa and Krull peddled then Coloccini as hes high on the dumping list

  • 422 Readingmag // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    sack everyone !

    Wow anyone think Man city were brill…?

    Also might have done the players and Pardew a favour, fast forward what we already know. …we need players quick.

    For the record Tim was superb and Cisse was rubbish. ..worse than everyone.

  • 423 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    Last night’s flops and pops.

    flops: Debuchy (1); Taylor (2); Gouffran (3) Cisse (4) Sissoko (4) Anita (4)

    Tiote (5) Jonas (5) Dummett (5)

    pops: Krul (8); HBA (7) MYM (6) Colo (6)

  • 424 nufc_eire // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    If he lands Gourcuff for 10m then cabaye can go. Gives us an extra 10-15 to try and spend (but probably wont)

  • 425 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    Belfast – Hoddle? Did you consider David Icke?

    Hoddle said disabled people were paying for their sins in a previous life. Even Pardew has never said anything anywhere near as crazy as that, and its not easy beating Pardew in the crazy statement stakes!

  • 426 woodsee // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    Pardew and co had to nip over too France to sort Kinnear out,.
    The French police phoned the club saying Joe was staggering around the airport with a bottle of whiskey in a Lidl bag,and a greggscheese pasty hanging out of hes pocket.
    He kept annoying the startled passengers by rambling on about Sir Alex Ferguson,Zinedine Zidane,Ferenc Puskas and Pele,sayin he had just had dinner with them at a nearby beefeater.

  • 427 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    Right, I suppose I’ll check back around half ten to see if our silver haired genius is sparking a flurry of tweets at Newcastle arrivals.

    Maybe they’ve been on a booze run for Kinnear?

  • 428 Belfast-Toon // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    He was blocked when he said it though lol…

  • 429 soundoid // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    Anyone think we should use Gosling as our RB. Got to be better than Debbie he was pants.

  • 430 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    Not stopping but just thought I’d put this out there…

    Arsenal signed Arteta for £10M in 2011 and he is a similar player to Cabaye. Arteta was 29 years old, has never been capped for Spain. Cabaye is 27 years old and has 23 caps for France. Transfer values have also increased in the last 2 years so Cabaye must be worth a lot more than Arteta.

    Presumably Arsenal want to sign Cabaye to be the playmaker orchestrating Arsenal’s passing attacking play, well if he’s good enough for a Champions League side then he’s also definitely worth a lot more than £10M.

    Hopefully we’ll play hardball and get at least £20M for him. There’s simply no way that he would go in World Cup year without getting some assurances about regular first team football and there’s no way a 27 year old international in Arsenal’s midfield is worth less than £20M.

    That’s my two penneth anyway…

  • 431 joe kinnear // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    Tomorrow around 11.30am, providing medicals are a success, i will have signed our second & third signing. Goodnight

  • 432 woodsee // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    Joe also spotted 2 toon fans proudly wearing there Wonga tops,and after tellin them both they were hes best mates,he reassured them of there worries by telling them Lionel Messi was on the way,but with the other signings already sorted,he would only be used as a bit part substitute

  • 433 Rooster // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    The frogs have brought in the 75% tax rate for high earners “ouch” maybe Cabaye is going to Monaco ???!!?? I know its a tax haven but I dont know how their rules are concerning the high paid footballers, Cannot blame him after all the kebab patter and also the fact that our team is pony.

  • 434 beddersmag // Aug 20, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    I think most of us suffer from ‘the endowement effect’. We value our own players higher than they should be because they our ours. Like when you come to sell your car and cant understand why the value is low. Because we see our players occassionaly perform well individually, we feel they are all top class. Forgetting of course that consistant performance is crucial to being a top player.

    There is a reason most were cheap and no other club came up with more- they just are not that good. Technically they may be, but mentally they are not, and thats the key here. As an old pal of mine used to say “you would not want to be in the trenches” with half of this lot.

    Cisse is poor imo and needs support badly. Our centre halfs are neither strong in the air or particularly fast, in fact we have noone who can head a ball and pace in the team is in short supply. But its mental strength that is losing us games. Taylor would die for the cause but channels it badly. Debouchy doesnt want to be here. Cabaye, marveux, sissoko and anita are wimps. Only jonas and tiote will try and graft, and get stuck in but strangely these are the two people want gone.

    People seem to think our squad is strong, i thought that myself, but they are not. Pardew is not bringing them down, they dont have it in them to lift themselves up and fight.

  • 435 Rooster // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    Our players were loosing their composure big style last night, the pressure is going to be immense if we are getting beat of West Ham, and Sam will just love to stick it to MA wont he.

  • 436 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    Toonarmydownsouth
    Pardew gets a cut from sales…. Are u on heroin?

  • 437 kt97toonarmy // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Evening lads

    I haven’t been on in weeks. On the transfer market I missed nothing. What a suprise. Well I guess the match is the main talking point. Our attack is useless cisse did nowt at all. I think I did more watching. Get a striker b4 west ham kinnear u useless twat!

  • 438 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Rooster…. We got battered aye against in my opinion the best squad in the world bar barca and real. Yet proper doylums on here have us relegated already

  • 439 toon22 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    Cisse is no threat infont of goal with the stlye we play (if you could call it a style)
    He needs to play off the shoulder of the last man with through balls,hes always looking for that run (unfortunatly hes always offside)
    We dont have people who cross the ball so its all through the middle,its easy for the defenders as we play so narrow.
    Our best winger is Jonas lmfao.
    All we can hope is the bring in someone and he/they magically fit into some kind of accidental system that baffles the prem teams till the end of the season.

    Its our best hope.

  • 440 beddersmag // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    Krul9, mbiwa4, collo6, taylor3, debuchy3, jonas6, hba7, sissoko4, tiote5, cisse4, gouffran5, anita3, sammy5, dummet8.

  • 441 toon22 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Why do you think JFK alwys get the train,more time to drink and less chance of the press catching him.

    Are you reading this in Fleet Street ?

  • 442 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    Bedders krul 9, another junkie, he conceded 4 for gods sake… Irrelevant how well he played he can’t score a 9

  • 443 Rooster // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    Curlyhair, your right, first game but we have carried last seasons form straight in to this, you cant deny its worrying kidda!

  • 444 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    Anyone who thinks that we only got hammered last night because City are top class clearly don’t watch or understand football at all.

    It wasn’t City’s good play that caused our defence to capitulate, nor was it City’s good play that got Saylor sent off, nor was it City’s good play that saw Debuchy and Cisse play like absolute morons.

    If we play like that this season we will be relegation candidates, Crystal Palace played better than us against a superb Spurs side, and Hull played better than us against the best squad in the PL in my opinion. Swansea got beat by 3 goals at home to Man U and they still played better than us.

    We were by far the worst team in the opening weekend of the PL, wake up and smell the coffee folks.

    It’s not just Pardew that’s the problem either!

  • 445 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    Course it’s worrying, it’s heart breaking to watch Ashley slowly destroy this football club but with him in charge we are never going to compete.

  • 446 Rooster // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    KRUL PULLS OFF 5 WORLDY SAVES WE GAVE AWAY THREE PENS???

  • 447 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    Ruddy clearly you don’t want football either… U expect miracles off cisse, got fed scraps all night so what’s he supposed to do. Much better teams than us will get battered just the same off these this season.
    What I don’t understand is ppl like u genuinely think we shud have got some sort if result last night …. Our team is shit and always will be with Ashley in charge

  • 448 Rooster // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    Oops, they had over 20 attempts on goal as well, carved through us like ice cream in the sun, we had one long range effort, they pushed us of the ball like we were bairns, fantastic squad have City no doubts at all, but Pardew was more than bullish before the start talking about getting something from the game, im afraid his pre talking and actual doing are hopeless, he is still my biggest worry, even though our players are looking custard like, he is the apple pie!

  • 449 soundoid // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:16 PM

    Ian Holloway for our new manager just throwing his name out… He’d probably get us relegated but it would be a shit load more fun than this.

  • 450 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    I’ve pointed this out before but feel I need to point it out again.
    We are NOT a big club and haven’t been for a number of years – best fans yes but big club – no.
    No ambition from the owner, paper light squad last season – even less bodies now… What do we expect other than a relegation fight?

  • 451 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    Curlyhair

    I expected us to get beat, I clearly stated that I wouldn’t mind getting beat 2-0, 3-0 or even 4-0 if we gave it a go, but we did not give it a go, we rolled over. I know Ashley is the problem, ffs what the hell did you think I was referring to when I said Pardew is not the only problem?

    Cisse cannot take a simple 5 yard pass into feet for god sake! he’s supposed to be a PL striker, yes he wasn’t given much last night, but what little he is given, he’s worse than useless with.

    Sacking Pardew will see nothing change in the long run, yes it may see immediate results improve, maybe even a slight improvement in style, but the ownership will constantly undermine any new manager we have, which will see us float around mid table, and see our more ambitious players fly the nest.

    Same old Newcastle, always disappointing.

  • 452 USAGEORDIE // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    Pardew is apparently at the Lyon Sociedad game. I hope he got a good view of the Griezmann goal. He would be a good young winger to bring in before the window shuts!

  • 453 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    Ruddy
    I agree cisse is crap but we knew this before yesterday’s game. I was merely pointing to the fact that u can’t say he was awful yesterday… He only had the ball a handful of times! For me debauchy doesn’t give a monkeys about this club. I actually miss Danny ‘hot potato’ Simpson and that is saying something

  • 454 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    Curlyhair

    Sadly you do not get the point Ruddy is making. Don’t let me speak for Ruddy but he isn’t talking about the result, he is talking about the aspects of our own game.

    A team like Palace might get hammered but you can be almost certain that they will be rigid, each player will understand their role, they will fight for every ball and they will leave nothing but blood and sweat on the field.

    If you out heart and soul into your game and if the manager is able to to get the team playing as a unit then sometimes you can sneak a result. Other times the gulf in class is too much.

    Yesterday we offered nothing. Unorganised, unmotivated and totally gutless display.

  • 455 Slatymag // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    @ Rooster

    No tax for players of Monaco. They are getting a bit of bother over it actually as the other clubs in Ligue 1 reckon it is a unfair advantage being able to offer this.

  • 456 toon kk // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    When you think about it we actually lost 6 . 0 they had a goal wrongly ruled out and they should have had a penalty. Krul saved us from an absolute embarrassment.
    Joke

  • 457 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Iwantcurlyhair2…Do you eat your crusts?

  • 458 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    Curlyhair

    Are you the one on twitter?

  • 459 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Curly
    No can you read though lad, apparantly doesn’t mean gospel
    It’s a rumour that’s been thrown around for a while and I’m not the first to mention it

  • 460 geordie157 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Nice goal tonight by griezmann, I doubt he’s even a target for us.

    I like the psv model of having a young high energy side, lots of flair too.

  • 461 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Beattie I understood ruddys comments crystal clear thank you.
    Beattie did u expect us to have the qualities u desire before yesterday’s game? This team isn’t good enough… I don’t think that’s Pardews fault tbh….
    Talk about palace giving their all… I guarantee away from home palace will get mauled on a good few occasions this season

  • 462 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Curlyhair

    Beattie is spot on (careful now people will think we are one and the same person again), I’m not talking about being outplayed by a better team, I’m talking about the severe lack of identity that we have as a football team, and even more so as a football club around the world.

    The team that finished 5th didn’t play the prettiest football, but they fought and died for each other, they were rigid at the back, and scored some wonderful goals courtesy of two strikers in red hot form at different times in the season. We relied a lot on luck in some cases but at least we had a system.

    Stoke under Pulis had a system, ugly, destructive, and vile, but it was an identity and it worked.

    Swansea for the best part of a decade have a system, beautiful, fluid, engrained into the club, it works.

    Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Everton, all have varying models of how they want to play, yet we are clueless as to how we want to play, what players are best suited for this style and how to implement our own stamp on the game.

    This runs deeper than Pardew, make no mistake about it, the players we have aren’t good, they are great. There is something inherently poisonous at the centre of NUFC that is causing all this and it needs to be rooted out NOW!!

  • 463 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    I am just sick of getting demolished by multiple goals. This is a regular occurrence under Pardew.

  • 464 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Ha ha ha

    http://twitter.com/AddictedToNUFC/status/369934217649868800/photo/1

  • 465 DiscoNUFC // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    Pards and co spotted in France???

    The three clowns are over there trying to fill the void left by our transfer policy! French… Crap… BUY ‘EM!

    Don’t expect anything to come from him being seen at the game in France.. We couldn’t prize Lyon players away before the season started so now we’ve got nooooooooooo chance!

  • 466 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    Toondownsouth
    If he does get a cut he will be the first manager intros league to do so.
    Beattie I do not understand ur question…. I am on twitter but am I THE 1 from twitter? I doubt it

  • 467 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    Beattie…That is pretty funny :)

  • 468 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    Pardew would blame his dog if it meant he could dodge the bullet . The guy has got no balls

  • 469 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    Curlyhair

    The difference is that they are a poor team in comparison to us but will show more heart than we did yesterday.

    It’s unfair to blame the team and individual players. Everything is rotten, but I know the team has more talent than its showing and I believe Pardew does not.

    I fully expected the performance yesterday. Nothing has changed and if anyone thought it had then more fool them.

    Ruddy didn’t want miracles, he wanted the same thing I want, and you probably want. Heart, soul and good football. Results don’t matter as much as those 3 things at this point in the season.

  • 470 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    Ruddy
    We have great players? Wow… Then if this is what people really think about this squad then I give up

  • 471 Sazzer // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Tancredi Palmeri ?@tancredipalmeri 4m
    Chelsea have been contacted by Roma for Demba Ba

  • 472 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    Curlyhair

    Just there is a curlyhair on twitter who is spot on. If it isn’t you say it is and you’ll have instant respect from me.

  • 473 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    Iwanycurlyhair2
    Eh? No he wouldn’t!!!! Holloway used to get a cut at Blackpool!
    By no means would he be the first

  • 474 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    Look man we cud have played class yesterday and still got destroyed.
    U think I enjoy watching us getting hammered.
    I just think too much of this is blamed on pardew… He is an average manager I agree, but Ashley would only replace him with another average manager so for me, better to have some stability, Christ that’s something this club hasn’t had for many a year.

  • 475 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    Ibiza

    If you don’t laugh you’ll cry.

  • 476 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    Beattie
    It is me.
    And I apologise for being a bit of a knob tonight, read blog everyday and I’m fed up with the negativity… Season starts Saturday for me

  • 477 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    Iwantcurlyhair2…Maybe not great as in world class players, but players that are certainly capable of playing above their current standard. I can say that 100% as we’ve seen it whilst they were at the club, even if only in glimpses.

    I agree what Beattie said about wanting heart and soul over most things…for me that’s the minimum and then some good football :)

    Something isn’t right at the minute, personally I am not jumping on any particular bandwagon as there are a fair few possible reasons for low moral within the squad.

  • 478 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    Curlyhair

    How is having Pardew stable when players are sold under his nose, a director of football is waiting in the wings for his job, his boss refuses to invest money and most Newcastle fans think he is a poor manager.

    What’s stable about that?

  • 479 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:41 PM

    Krul – Dutch International

    Cabaye- French International

    Debuchy – French International

    Sissoko – French International

    Santon – Italian International

    And a lot of other very good players in our squad, wake up man.

  • 480 DiscoNUFC // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    @473

    Man utd aside… Stability doesn’t bring success on par with pressure!

    Look at the changes at the top of Chelsea, city, spurs, Liverpool in the last few years

    I’d swap where we are for any of their places right now.. Manager in, instant results or the door.

  • 481 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    Beattie…Sometimes I do both at the same time…oh Newcastle United…

    Just passing comment, but for someone fed up with negativity and I imagine looking for something a little more light hearted on the blog, is it me or is it sods law he ends up with a Ruddy and Beattie tag team? :)

  • 482 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    I had intended on doing a run down on why our first XI is much better than most mid table teams, let alone relegation teams but I didn’t want to waste the energy.

    If you think we have a team that should be fighting relegation, then you’re clearly an idiot.

  • 483 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    Beattie
    Everton cud have peddled moyes when they were doing shit but they didn’t…. He’s now managing 1 of the biggest clubs in the world. And don’t take that me saying pardew destined for greatness cos that’s not my point. We bring in another yes man and we will be having same smdiscussion in 12-18 months

  • 484 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    Curly hair

    Don’t apologise. You’re entitled to your opinions buddy and by the way I do think your twitter account is excellent.

    We all have our own thoughts on what’s going wrong but we can all agree Mike Ashley is at the epicentre of it all.

    Wether or not Pardew goes, wether or not we sign better players, whether or not Kinnear does his job properly that fat prick will be there fleecing everyone whilst we sit, suffer and argue.

    Ashley has to go for us to have any chance of progressing.

    I dislike Pardew as a manager but under different circumstances whose to say he wouldn’t succeed? Sadly under Ash he never will.

  • 485 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    Disco…Easy, if Ashley heard that he’s have a stroke. Do you have any idea how much it would cost to pay out 8 year contracts each year?

  • 486 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    Under Ashley all we will ever bring in are Yes Men. We need to get Ashley out of our club now.

    He’s had a stay of execution, we haven’t laid into him like we used to, he’s treated us like sh*te and we didn’t lay into him. Until we make it abundantly clear that he is no longer welcome at our club through boycotts, refusal to buy club merchandise, refusing to renew season tickets, and pushing the message in the media that he has lost the support of the entire NUFC fanbase will we ever see this poisonous wretch out of our club once and for all.

  • 487 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Ibiza

    Take that back. Me and Ruddy aren’t negative, we are post modern optimists.

  • 488 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Ruddy clearly u can’t have a debate without offending people.
    All u mention our French internationals … U forgot to mention the only reason we buy French is cos they are the cheap option.
    Having internationals means jack… There is other teams who are shite in the league laden with internationals, doesn’t mean they are good 1s. Anyway that’s me on this blog now… Too many doylums on it

  • 489 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Ruddy…Never thought I’d say this mate, but look at Beattie and how he’s playing with the other inmates…. :)

  • 490 DiscoNUFC // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    Ibiza

    Zero-hour!

    Club mended… Sleep well all.

  • 491 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    @GFN_France: Mevlut Erding is set to sign for Stoke City according to a source close to @Puchkin_B. #SRFC #SCFC

    @GFN_France: RMC: Arsenal are preparing to make a second bid for Yohan Cabaye of €18m, supporting our reports today. #AFC #NUFC (@mohamedbouhafsi)

  • 492 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    Beattie…My apologies if that is how that came across, I of course recognise you both as post modern optimists (PMO). I was merely reflecting on…actually…never mind…it must nearly be bed time.

    Is the gang back yet? I can’t sleep knowing Kinnear isn’t home, safe and sound.

  • 493 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    And ruddy
    Cudnt agree more about boycotting
    Me and my family (4 of us) have not renewed this season.
    First time in 14 years

  • 494 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    Ibiza

    Nope, sick of people coming out with utter tripe. All opinions are not valid, if I said “it’s my opinion that the moon is a carrot” I wouldn’t expect others to respect that opinion, so why should I respect the idiotic assertion that our team should be fighting relegation.

    There would be less arguments on the blog if there were less idiots

  • 495 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    Right then, goodnight everyone.

    Tomorrow is another day and we never know what it may bring…although we can all probably make an educated guess.

  • 496 surreytoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    Dear Cabaye,

    If you ruled yourself out of the opener as has been reported, please go fcuk yourself you overrated depressive fock shat. What have you done to ‘earn’ your rep? N o t h I n g!!! Last season you did fak all except feel sorry for yourself. The season before you did okay but not spectaculat. If u want fak off to obsurity at Arsenal, you will fail to be a first team player just like Gervinho. Just drop off£20m as you leave u cack saker and take the tatooed fakwit Debuchy with ya.

  • 497 USAGEORDIE // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    Shortlist of Cabaye replacements from Pardew and co.’s beloved Ligue 1
    Martin (Lille)- good player, creative, a little small at 5′ 7″. Would be a little pricey at £9m. I think the most ready for EPL.

    Thauvin (Lille)- More of a winger that a central player but is very young and talented and would fit in the #10 role. £7.5-8 would be fair.

    Wijnaldum (PSV) Love him. Only 22, a player winger or AM. PSV just bought Maher so they could let him go. Probably £8m-10.

    Boudebouz (Sochaux) 23 years old, pacy, and skilled player. One of the cheapest option at only £4m-6m. He is really talented but i dont know if he could be a starter in the PL right away. Would take time to adjust.

    Whabi Khazri (Bastia)- A guy that a lot of people do not know about. He is only 22 but probably Bastias best player. Great passer (9 assists), decent scorer (7 goals in Ligue 1 last year.) Great set piece taker. Could be a bargain at £4m

  • 498 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    Curlyhair

    Not saying your an idiot per se, however, if you genuinely feel that our team is only good enough to fight relegation, I simply cannot take you seriously.

  • 499 ToonAndy // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    We need to sign Viktor Fischer! 19 years old and has 11 goals in 22 games for Ajax from the left wing… Will be worth a fortune in a few years!

  • 500 USAGEORDIE // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:59 PM

    Oops on Wijnadlum. Dutchman.

  • 501 Beattie25 // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:59 PM

    Ruddy

    The cheer leaders of the initial rebellion seem to have either gone quiet or have become so disillusioned that they no longer want to fight for the club and perhaps avoid football all together.

    In their place has risen fans who don’t grasp football for what it is. They will never rise in order to get him out because they’re happy turning up once a week and tuning out when it’s over.

    Whose left to fight the good fight? An arrogant idiot from Burnley, an intellectual behemoth from Ireland and an ever eternal Ibizan optimist.

    There are Geordies all throughout the land and across the seven seas that would agree but the culture of the club has changed in the past 5 years. Ashley has inflicted psychological warfare on the toon fans, lowering our expectations, shattering our dreams and turning us into nothing but beggars pleading for something from a rich man. We must be thankful we are playing in the premiership and as long as we stay there everything will be fine.

    Sad to say but unless there is a spark the torch will never be lit.

    I think you should go to Newcastle and sit outside of sports direct in protest until 1000′s more join you. You can be the martyr this club needs.

    Save us Ruddy.

  • 502 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 20, 2013 at 10:59 PM

    Lads,

    Is it true we are abroad trying to wrap up two signings??

    What’s are latest info?

  • 503 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:01 PM

    Ruddy….Think I probably should respond to that one….perhaps if there were more idiots and less “non-idiots” there would be less arguments?

    Only trying to lighten the mood, it doesn’t always seem it but we are all after the same thing.

    Anyway, glad to read you’re making your move back to Newcastle mate…not the best timing on the footballing front though…I hope it all goes well.

  • 504 Rooster // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    USAGEORDIE, that list is canny, we do need another quality centre half, honestly, Saylor, Colo, are getting caught out to often, we need pace at the back Colo is agonisingly slow and Taylor is just a complete wingnut.

  • 505 MacToon // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    Transfer Sage, I see you keep mentioning starting an Ashley out campaign, try the appropriately named Mike Ashley Out Campaign on facebook, they are canny active and gaining support daily.

  • 506 Mister Tuff // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    Beattie @500 you stated:-
    “Whose left to fight the good fight? An arrogant idiot from Burnley, an intellectual behemoth from Ireland and an ever eternal Ibizan optimist.”
    Who are these people don’t think I’ve come across them before.

  • 507 Iwantcurlyhair2 // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    Ruddy… Our first 11 is ok… After that the squad is piss poor. Come on man do u seriously think its good enough to have players like Danny amoebi on the bench for this football club?
    If Ashley strengthened the actual squad then we wide have a decent side. Look at next few games… Gunna be missing saylor and Joan’s (who is shit) so bench will look even worse
    Ashley u fat c*** spend some of our money now

  • 508 Ibizatoon // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Beattie…If you’re going to talk Ruddy in to being a martyr I might stick around a while…

    I think you hit a very true note there. Many fans are shell shocked and I honestly don’t feel that many know what the best thing to do is.

    Anyway, I am going to bed this time. Bye.

  • 509 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    Beattie

    I am moving to Newcastle, and will be there within the next few weeks. I attend FansUtd meetings and say that communication with the club is no longer good enough, as the owner is no longer fit for purpose.

    Protests need to be organised, boycotts needs to be held, and voices need to be heard. The apathetic mentality needs to be challenged and once channelled into a movement we can properly make a difference.

    Let’s vote with our feet people! Let’s not simply be herded in like cattle into the abattoir that has become SJP! Say enough is enough! Why should we not demand more? Think of the immortal words of Sir Bobby Robson! What makes a club anyway!? It’s us! We’re the lifeblood, the alpha and omega and we deserve better than this!

    We’re being eroded from the centre, and it’s eating its way out, and the primary symptom of this disease is either mindless acceptance, or bilious apathy.

    I’m ashamed of what our club has become.

  • 510 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    *I will attend

    Getting ahead of myself :P

  • 511 USAGEORDIE // Aug 20, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    Rooster
    Agreed, Pace in the back is a big need. I now this might be crazy but if we get Micah Richards and convert him to center back similar to what Real Madrid did with Ramos we would have a physical and fast center back. Another Englishman in the locker room wouldn’t hurt us either.




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