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Message To Ashley, Kinnear – Get The Job Done At Newcastle

5:39 pm, Wednesday, August 21st, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 420 Comments

Whether you rate Alan Pardew as a manager or not, you have to sympathise with the Newcastle manager at least a little but, in that Newcastle sold Demba Ba in early January, and its now almost nine months later and we haven’t replaced him.

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Demba Ba – has not been replaced after nine months – why?

And it seems the current Newcastle hierarchy are not learning from their past mistakes, because when Andy Carroll was sold at the end of January of 2011 for a massive £35M to Liverpool, it was a year before we replaced him with £9M signing Papiss Cisse from SC Freiburg.

Yes, it’s true that we brought in Demba Ba in the summer of 2011, but he essentially cost nothing as a free transfer (£2M paid to his agents), and so he wasn’t really thought to be a replacement for big Andy at that time.

And Alan Pardew’s frustrations at not having a better strike force than we had after Demba Ba left in January seem to be mounting – and for good reason.

Alan Pardew has never been responsible for bringing in new signings, although he obviously gives his input on players, and until mid-June that was one of Derek LLambias’ responsibilities in his capacity as the Managing Director at the club.

Then out of the blue came Joe Kinnear’s appointment as Director of Football in mid-June, Derek immediately resigned and Joe has labored long and hard all summer, but all he has to show for his efforts is the loan signing of Loic Remy for next season – and to be fair that was a good deal.

But Newcastle have looked like the Keystone Kops this summer in the transfer market, as we have failed to get targets like Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Wilfred Bony, Darren Bent and others through the door – for one reason or another.

And then we were simply hammered on Monday night by Manchester City, who looked a million miles ahead of us, and our attacking threat was simply non-existent, as it was after we had lost Demba Ba last season.

And Alan Pardew has expressed his frustrations when he told the local Evening Chronicle that we need another striker in – and that was for the umpteenth time this summer:

“We are still short. We are short of Demba Ba,” “That’s what it looks like and until Remy is fit or we get another striker in, it will be a problem for us.”

It’s right that the club should judge Alan Pardew on the results he gets – but you also have to give him the players he needs, so he can make Newcastle successful again.

We now have just 12 days (and counting) to get players through the door, and we should have some money to spend when Yohan Cabaye is sold – probably to PSG and probably for at least £20M.

Newcastle first half of the season is very much dependent on getting players through the door in the next two weeks.

At some point Newcastle need to show they can get deals done in the transfer market and at some point they need to start showing the ambition that teams like Swansea. Southampton, West Ham and Fulham have shown this summer.

For some reason that kind of ambition seems to be lacking at a club like Newcastle – which is lot bigger and with much richer history than any of those clubs just mentioned. The current Newcastle hierarchy seem more worried about have good financial results – as if that’s what wins titles – not.

Urgent message to Joe Kinnear and Mike Ashley - please get the job done at Newcastle.

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420 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Jail for Ashley // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Being dressed in high heels and a mini skirt in Kabul high street is tooo good for Ashley.

  • 2 NUFCarter // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    So, i think its official, Haris Vuckic has joined Bradford city on loan.

  • 3 Newcastle Brown Alien // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    “Demba Ba – has not been replaced after nine months – why?
    He has to be fair, our target to replace him in January was Remy, we now have him, plus many more players. We need a manager who can manage a team, play a decent formation and stop making excuses

  • 4 theartfuldodger // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Business isnt about jst finance. Theres human resources(motivating players at the right time eg new season) and supply chain and production and operations and media communications.

    Why would players join a club with no vision or mission. If we finish low this year we wont attract good players at cheap prices.

  • 5 spitfire_ // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Yeah because MA and JFK always listen the fans.

  • 6 JackButler // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    @1 Thanks Jail, you’ve got me spitting coffee over my laptop again

  • 7 Mint // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Tiotes english is good

  • 8 JAMSHA // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    JUST LEAVE THE CLUB U FAT BSTRAD ….. EVERY YEAR THIS FAT COWARD WILL PLAY WITH US

  • 9 Tommyy // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    That’s exactly it, we’ve no clear vision or direction. We’re merely existing, and not very well.

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Rowan

    Yes I will look to do something. All ideas and opinions welcome. Need support, if nobody wants to do it then ill respect what most think.

    Secret sausage

    It’s not just signings. It’s plastering his tacky adverts everywhere when paying nothing for them, it’s renaming the stadium then replacing our respectable sponsor with wonga for what appears to be a lower amount going off all quoted stories in papers despite what llambias says, it’s hiring poor choices in staff, making us suffer relegation, allowing clubs to overtake us and leave us out of sight, there’s more too.

    Treating respected club figures/legends with contempt…shearer and keegan. Constantly appointing poor choices to run serious parts of the club…wise, kinnear, llambias and showing the door to any player/manager that dares to speak out.

    Look at spurs..good managers like redknapp and now AVB, quickly rectified poor appointments of jol and Ramos when things went wrong. Lost players but always used the money received to improve the team at the time, not eak it out over 2/3 years.

    It’s not just big signings I ask for, it’s the club to be ran with the goal of winning and challenging for things, not just as a massive advert for his company.

    And as for spending his kids inheritance…that money would be no where near if he hasn’t used Newcastle to promote his company world wide ad gain free advertising to hundreds of millions of TV viewers.

    Not criticising you at all for going to games by the way, each to their own. I fully get you do it as you love the game and love the team, regardless of off field problems. At the end of the day we support the badge more than any owner, manager and player. All come and go but the badge remains.

  • 11 jimBOB // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    Bring Ba back, I couldn’t care that he left, he knows the club and how we play, nobody better to get goals for us really, proven striker in the prem.

  • 12 Jail for Ashley // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    I’ve listened to arguments for and against the boycotting, and frankly, I’m not listening,Mike Ashley is not getting anymore of my money.

  • 13 catchy in norway // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    i think there trying to force pardew to quit, but he is to greedy to leave

  • 14 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    I’d like Ba back too, at the end of the day he left for the right reasons, to play top level. Unfortunately for him mourinho doesn’t seem to want him, 3rd choice and they are looking for another striker as well.

    I’d take Ba and Sinclair, ince too if possible and that would be a very good window without silly money being spent.

  • 15 JAMSHA // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    BOYCOT IS THE BEST OPTION….ENOUGH IS ENOUGH . ….

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Catchy

    Can’t blame pardew for not walking. Most people will want try and put things right, all people who play professional sport thrive on winnin and pardew is the same, he won’t turn his back on something, especially seeing as he won’t get a club as big as Newcastle again.

    Whether he is good enough is a different matter but can’t blame the man for wanting to do well.

  • 17 Ginger // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Question for the boycotting of St James’s park.

    Aren’t the majority of season tickets paid for in full at the start of the season? If so, it wouldn’t really make much of a difference to Mike Ashley as he’d already have the money. Sure he wouldn’t receive the money of alcohol/food but if it was a thing that went on for a while surely he just wouldn’t bother hiring staff to cook/serve.

  • 18 BeeGuy // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    MA & Co. seem run the same bad movie every night and hope the thing will come out better than it did before.

    If the team is going to be crap, then bring back Barton, Ranger and other odd balls that kept it interesting.

    What I tink is that JFK will go into high gear once the window closes & he can make some deals for the best of the free agents out there.

  • 19 josh // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Would you quit your source of income because somebody wanted you to catchy? Behave.

  • 20 Jail for Ashley // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Demba Ba might possibly want to come back but there is no wasy Mashley would pay seven million for a player he can get for free when his contact runs out in three years.

  • 21 fatman // Aug 21, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    an overview on fraud from those who still think the halls hid debt from Ashley.

    Definition of fraud

    In England, Wales and Northern Ireland, the fraud laws were overhauled by the Fraud Act 2006 which came into force in 2007. It introduced a statutory definition of fraud, separating it into three classes. These are:

    Fraud by false representation – where a person makes “any representation as to fact or law…express or implied” which they know to be untrue or misleading.
    Fraud by failing to disclose information – where someone fails to disclose any information to a third party when they are under a legal duty to do so.
    Fraud by abuse of position – where a person who should have been safeguarding the financial interests of another, abuses that position.

    For each offence to be proven, the fraudster must have been acting dishonestly with the intent of making a gain for themselves or anyone else, or inflicting a loss (or a risk of loss) on another.

    The Act also made it an offence to be in possession of articles for use in fraud and to make or supply articles for use in fraud. It also created the offence of obtaining services dishonestly.
    Corporate bodies

    The Act provides that if a corporate body is guilty of an offence under the Act and this was carried out with the “consent or connivance” a director, manager, secretary or officer of the body, then they may face prosecution too. A new offence of participating in fraudulent business carried on by a sole trader was also introduced and the maximum penalty for participating in fraudulent business carried on by a company was increased from seven years prison to 10 years.
    Penalties for fraud

    A person found guilty of fraud faces a fine or up to 12 months jail on summary conviction (six months in Northern Ireland), or a fine or imprisonment for up to 10 years on conviction on indictment.

  • 22 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    We are short of a quality manager who can successfully manage, organise and fill our players with bucket loads of positive confidence.

    To make international players look lost and hopeless within a team requires a special, incapable manager. That man is Alan Pardew.

    Nevertheless, more players are needed as well. The buck goes further back to Ashley, therefore.

    We haven’t even replaced the players we’ve let go, never mind Cabaye who will be going. We need X amount of players just to be back to the same small squad Pardew moaned about all last year.

    Messi, Iniesta and Xavi could play for us, but if Pardew is instructing dreadful football, people may say “Messi has lost it”, “Xavi’s legs have gone” etc etc… when in effect they are still the same top player, it is just the shambles of a team structure which management oversee is stumbling on around them.

    New players, “three in before Sat” malark will do little really, because the ship has no rudder.

    All the new players who came in in January… makes no difference because they will soon blend in with the abysmal coaching and set up, and they too will look poor.

    I maintain, those players which we have, on the whole, are good players who can play good technical football. It is the system which is making them under-perform and it is diabolical that nothing has changed.

  • 23 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    Jail @ 20,

    Corka :-)

  • 24 Rowan Milsted // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Perhaps a sensible way to start would be to use the next meeting (didn’t JFA attend the last one – is that right?) between fans and representatives of the club to propose two or three clear, well-conceived objections to the current running of the club along with ways forward. Not just spouting ‘Ashley out! Pardew’s an arse! (Though ‘Pards the arse’ has a certain ring to it) & NUFC 4EVA!!!’ but reasonable and realistic aims for the cub. If you started a fans’ group you could do a poll and take the top 2 or 3 ideas/objections/improvements to the meeting. What d’ya think?

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Jamsha

    Boycott might not be though. Not sure how much ticket revenue is.

    Say average price for the stadium maybe £25 a ticket when you consider tickets for adults anywhere between 27 and 43 depending on category of game. Say 25 though as season tickets are cheaper and get kids tickets too.

    So £25 x 52,000 = 1.3mil then x 19 = 24.7mil when looking at all 19 home league games.

    Loosing it all will never happen, not even 25% loss will be achieved boycotting and then TV and sponsorship/advertising means it won’t be a massive loss to him.

    We might need something more creative. Something to get media onside.

  • 26 stunna // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Best, McLoven & Power Ranger haven’t been replaced either.

  • 27 Jail for Ashley // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    If we really are going to bring players in if Cabaye is sold why couldn’t they have been bought weeks ago and if the Cabaye deal fell through ythe money could be simply deducted from the TV money,the whole thing just looks like a childish spiteful stance from our fat greedy owner.

  • 28 toonfogg // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    Catchy @13
    probably right they want Pardew to quit coz MA won’t pay him off but we’ll end up with JFK as manager. Ok he may put a bit more fire in their bellies but can he get the best out of the players. Not so sure.

  • 29 Mint // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Seriously though, why cant Demba come back??? 5th top with him, 5th bottom without. (unless theres a huge buyout fee clause)

    So now we get an unknown quantity at best.

  • 30 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Rowan

    Good idea. Something needs to change though as more and more fans seem alienated from the running of the club.

    I remember 2 years ago, before we finished 5th I’d changed my mind on Ashley, thought he had learned from past mistakes and was doing good but it changed the start of last year when he left pardew short.

    I remember the phone on pardew did when he said he wanted cabayes mate in, a striker and a commanding CB…non arrived that summer and pardew was left to defend the transfer policy even though he clearly didn’t agree with it.

    I’d love pardew to just come out and say we have a good squad but to really kick on I’d like us to have done more business. Nothin too negative, nothing offensive just let us know he agrees with us. The players have even spoke out about being short so they obviously think it too.

  • 31 Jail for Ashley // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    Rowan,
    I did attend the meeting and got what I thought was a very good question answered in who will be speaking to the fans, I was told Lee Charnley would be appearing via media sources very soon, that was three weeks ago, the fans meeting needs an articulate orator to speak for the Ashley out campaign.

  • 32 scottoon // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    I understand the debate about boycotting, but everyone needs to remember that Newcastle is a universal brand. I envy each and every one of you who has the opportunity, week in and week out, to attend the hallowed grounds and watch the team we all love. I live in Canada, and I have never had that chance. I am planning a trip in October….first time ever to Newcastle and I will be damned if I am going to boycott. But it seems like there ought to be a few extra tickets floating about. Anyone offering? Liverpoo on the 19th of October?

  • 33 woolerbill // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    Transfers
    There is no point getting players in’ they will not help in the long run. We have had some Google players in, but a couple of months of playing to pards tactics they become plank. Remember last January we all said great to frog, but within a month or so, we were back to in the sh-t. Pardew must go and soon.

  • 34 Thump // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    @Transfer Sage: That’s what we aimed to do with MAOC (and have a bit of a laugh while we did it). Attract attention, give people a giggle, have it memorable and just have fun with it. The funeral procession came to fruition in the Percy the Tuesday before the match, it was just a daft, spontaneous thing that came about and we ran with it. It certainly got attention for better or worse.

    @stunna: I’ve tried to replace Ranger myself but I just don’t have the knack at getting into bother like he does.

  • 35 scottoon // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Have to think that the longer Pardew is in charge, the greater the likelihood he will be sacked. Any results we get over the next few weeks will be down to luck and not tactics. The lads just aren’t playing for the man, and so with no results, Pardew must go.

  • 36 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Anyway on pardew now.

    There were signs o improved play before the red card, passing was more crisp, movement was better, more players were getting forward…we never really threatened but looked like we were trying to change.

    I’d have honestly said city will tear even the best defences apart playing like that, they looked very good, so can’t blame us for succumbing to that. We did look a bit weak in the final 3rd but then again they are very good in defence as well.

    The two games coming up will show us if we have advanced or not and if things are really improving or not.

    Really the next 6 matches will define our season and in my opinion show us where we will stand over the 38 games.

  • 37 fatman // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    scottoon

    wow really?

  • 38 lesh // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    Ed compares the running of Newcastle United with the Keystone Cops.

    That’s not fair on the Keystone Cops – they were created and screened to provide amusement and entertainment and their antics were based on incompetence.

    However, one would hardly expect a multi-million pound business that is Newcastle United to be managed in such a way as to almost imitate the ineptness of the Keyston Cops.

    Kinnear’s appointment was the icing on the cake – either a gross error of judgement on Mike Ashley’s part or a deliberate attempt to put Newcastle United up as a laughing stock, again.

    and

  • 39 JaxtheMag // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    we were crap in pre season and crap on Monday,pardew thought we were looking good till taylor was sent off. ive never heard a manager talk so much rubbish day after day. he is totally out of his depth.

  • 40 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Woolerbill

    Agree and disagree

    I doubt we will become a great fluid side but at the same time out average points improved after the jan signings compared to before…might be other factors but better players are always welcome even if the manager isn’t great.

  • 41 AwToonnufc // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdIbJnNdbAs

    Get him signed! Perfect fit for us….
    He’s still young so has potential.Finally gives us some Ariel threat, theres not much competition for him yet…He wants to come to premier league…Might be slightly expensive but I’m sure we could get him for like 10/12 mil…Considering Anzhi are wanting to sell there players…

  • 42 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    I forgot to mention something earlier.

    Considering the pre season West Ham, Swansea, Norwich and Southampton have had on the transfer front I swear by almighty god if one person on this blog say “but we are a recently promoted team” as an excuse for anything i shall find out where you are and expose you to the fires of hell.

    Thanks.

  • 43 lesh // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Jail for Ashley @31…..

    you sound ok with Charnley as the straight man….. is Kinnear appearing as the clown?

  • 44 mattyNUFC // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    man, now that we’ve got the first game out of the way, it feels like last year never ended

  • 45 lesh // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    Beattie @ 42……

    you sound like Ian Paisley with your “find out where you are and expose you to the fires of hell” rant!

  • 46 woolerbill // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Transfer saga
    This start to the season has us playing team we should and could beat, we have to take this and go forward. If we don’t we will fall down in the later stages of the season, and we go down this time. There will not be a January window this time.

  • 47 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Jax

    Got to disagree. I think we player much better until Taylor went off…sure we were 2-0 down with no real chances but it was a bit better than we have players recently….it was far from perfect but we were getting better which is at least a start.

    See how we go against west ham and Fulham as they are the games we should be winning to be a top 7/8 time

  • 48 sparky55 // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Lauren…bang on the money there m8…Pardew could get the current Barcelona squad relegated in a flash.

    We are indeed a rudderless river boat heading for the rapids and the only thing that can save us is either tarzan or a foreign crook cos the english crook we’ve got can’t be arsed anymore (if he ever did!)

  • 49 Novocastrian66 // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    All the sack the board and boycott bull crap doesn’t work. Seen all before. I just creates a divide. I’ve seen fans fighting each other in the past over similar issues, which is no good to anyone.
    Does anyone genuinely believe Ashley would still own the club if he had received a suiatble offer?
    There aren’t a load of billionaires queueing up on Barrack Road to buy the club, so Ashley is going nowhere.
    I do not know what the answer is but boycotts and demos will only make the situation worse.

  • 50 Rowan Milsted // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Transfer Sage

    I thought exactly the same thing at the same time. The five year plan had been clearly explained and seemed to be working. I am now wondering if that is still a working plan and if so what stage it is at (it seems to be regressing). Every time I think that MA had learned from his mistakes he makes another. I used to say it was a case of 2 steps forward and 1 back but now it doesn’t even seem that good, not since the appointment of JK. I think us fans could do with a recap of what the 5 year plan is and how (if at all) it’s being put into effect currently.

    Jail

    Ah good, always a bonus when my memory actually serves me well! These meetings are a positive step forward and some sort of acknowledgement from the club’s hierarchy that fans need better communication. I’m glad you went and got your question across but I fear the meetings will be a slow process and that answers will take a long time to emerge, if they ever do (as you say it’s been 3 weeks already). Still, it’s something. Could you not be that spokesman? I think it would be great to have someone who is in touch with a large number of fans (such as on this blog) who can discuss what will be said with the fans prior to the meeting then put it across in an articulate and passionate way.

  • 51 JaxtheMag // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    ive said be4 pardew couldn’t of managed brazil in 1970 the best team ever.

  • 52 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    Sparky, :-/ it’s so underwhelming.

  • 53 Rowan Milsted // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Gotta go – to be continued (cue ominous sounding keyboard note).

  • 54 toonfogg // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Wonder if Graham Carr has done his coaching courses. He scouted alot of our players he knows what positions they should be playing as he has watched most of them for a couple of years. Will never happen I know coz if /when Pardew goes it’s gonna be JFK. Either way the options we’ve got are Pardew or JFK. Inspiring not.

  • 55 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Boycott is pointless and fans have missed opportunities like the one to get rid of Wonga like Bolton did with a similar sponsor.

    If you really want to protest, I suggest 2 things:
    1. Wait until after the transfer window shuts so you know the full score
    2. Join a fans group. Small pockets of protestors are nothing. Fans would need to unite and hit hard.

    But it didn’t work out well for Blackburn…

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Novo

    True. It may not help but sitting on your backside doing nothing won’t help either. As long as things are done in a sensible way and not aggressively then it can help.

    Everton have protested to get their owner out as he won’t spend and he went on goals on Sunday on sky sports and said he is actively trying to find the right man to buy the club.

    I agree it won’t really achieve much but I hate just sitting doing nothing, at the very least it might get some clear dialogue with Ashley/the club so we can hear more.

  • 57 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Just heard Laudrup on Sky Sports news there talking about ethics of this transfer bids and when they occur (before a game) and the like and just said along the lines of that there was no real issue as it is part of the game. Basically he said, as I believe, so what if the bid came in before the game?

    But of course Pardew prepares that excuse so he has it to deflect the attention of more inept football. It’s part of the game, Alan, it doesn’t matter when the bid comes in. Cabaye would have looked just as clueless as the rest of them should he have played.

  • 58 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    TDS

    I agree, it has to be done correctly. Bolton did it wel but Blackburn didn’t, they made things much worse and blamed a manager when it was clearly the board appointing people out of their depth.

    I think it does need to be a collective like you say.

    Also you need an owner who is willing to listen, if Ashley doesn’t want to listen there is not much point in trying to engage him.

  • 59 tonynufc // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    hey just had a thought. whos been dealing with training while numb nuts is tossing it off in france. john carver? hey never know we MIGHT win on the weekend . absolute shambles. how does it take 3/4 men to sort deals out. IF any.

  • 60 JaxtheMag // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    just boycott the club shop and the food outlets. we have to support the team still.

  • 61 sparky55 // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    I feel everyone’s pain on here but all this Cabaye stuff is exactly as per the 5 year plan launched 3 years ago by Lambias.

    Go back and check the content and rhetoric of the purple player plan…it’s all there.

    Buy cheap, develop, sell…buy cheap, develop, sell

    Profits from developed player buys two more talents and pays their wages and the cycle starts again.

    This year was always going to be the selling year with Tiote, cabaye, Cisse and Krul all ripe for selling at good profits.

    This is no surprise…it was on the cards and totally as per the plan and to be honest the only way to ensure we retained a good balance sheet after the sheppard fiasco

    Owners with passion like sheppard always end up in ruin.

    People like Ashley who is a brilliant businessman comes over as a sh!te owner but in fact we needed someone like him to take over the club otherwise we could have been right in the mire.

    IT IS HOWEVER TIME FOR HIM TO FCUK OFF…he’s done his job and he’ll make money when he sells it anytime soon…I just prey the sooner the better!

  • 62 Bambams // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Pardews’ biggest problem is that he does not believe for one minute that the team playing badly is down to him. He still thinks England are looking at him. Delusional !

  • 63 sparky55 // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Lauren…cabaye waived goodbye to the fans after the last friendly…the club knew he was never going to play another competitive game because they knew he was going.

    Pardew was using all that head sh!te as an excuse but he was never going to play for us again and he knew it.

  • 64 jimmysmith // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Kinnear is probably here to scout all staff related to the playing side, mainly because Ashley isnt capable or hasnt the time and poor old Joe is being found hopelessly wanting. I get the feeling that Harford was sounded out by Joe ostensibly for a scouting role, but in reality as a short term replacement for Pardew should he be sacked and Mick didn’t fancy lying in wait and now as sure as nightbfollows day we have this ongoing comedy of errors masquerading as a transfer window reaching its pathetic climax.We really do seem to be run by untrustworthy nincompoops.

  • 65 DokToon // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    TS, and all,

    as an american, and realizing i have no truly valid opinion since im not born there, and do not have the right, yadda yadda yadda… i have a simple idea…

    last year when sissoko was almost left legless due to a tackle by he-who-shall-not-be-named, you drafted a letter, and sent it on, from the blog, as a show of commitment and support from all of us…

    why not do the same thing, draft a letter, let us all read and add/take away (to a degree), and send it off to NUFC board…

    i would be willing to trust that you would be able to speak for all of us supporters…

    a revolution is sparked with one small, simple act at times….

  • 66 toonfogg // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    Sparky55
    only problem with our business plan is the development side of the plan. There isn’t any development. Haven’t seen any of our players develop into better players. Players seem to have gone backwards under Pardew and co.

  • 67 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    I understand the boycott talk, and do it if you like. There are other alternatives which can be used for people inside the ground too. Back facing the goal all game, stand outside the ground instead of going in, silence all game within the stadium, only one chant all game, plus combos of all of the above. There’s lots of routes. If everyone can come together on the 37th minute to clap Steve Harper, then something can be developed to show discontent as well.

    I’ve had the same seat with my dad for 20 years and we don’t want to give it up for an owner who may or may not be here a week, month or year from now, just for us to lose our traditional seats for years to come. I will be voicing my opinion inside the ground come match-days instead of a boycott, but I agree with people who aren’t going anymore as well.

  • 68 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    Dok

    Yeh I sent a card for haidara, everyone seemed to support it.

    That could work but there are many different opinions on here so wouldn’t want to send anything like that on behalf I everyone.

    Everyone wish haidara well but we have varying degrees of support and contempt for Ashley so wouldn’t be right. I’d have to start another group, I’ll give it a go as well as contacting any currently in existence.

    Anyway…where is haidara hear days?

  • 69 Lowesy // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    It’s so difficult supporting Newcastle. The worst thing is when talking to other football fans who support their respective clubs and, I don’t mind a bit of banter, jealousy, a bit of passionate criticism and anger, now when I talk to these other fans, I get sympathy. That’s the worst.
    Pardew is making claims that the team are playing well when they’re playing sh!te, he has deflated tactics, no inspiration and no man-management skills.
    Kinnear seems to be… well… I don’t know what Kinnear’s doing nowadays. Talking people out of coming to Newcastle by the looks of it. Again, all mouth and no balls.
    Ashley, is being the same unambitious, unreliable and tightfisted.
    Pre-Ashley, when we were linked with a big player, there was a genuine belief that we could sign them, now, as seen on this blog for example, we laugh off our links.
    WHAT HAS BECOME OF OUR BELOVED TOON?!!

  • 70 Lowesy // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    And to top it all off, we have an already paper-thin squad, and we’re sending all our younger players out on loan! We may need them!

  • 71 Transfer Sage // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Lauret Robert

    Can’t fault you for that, I personally don’t want to give a penny to Ashley but if I something was arranged in the ground to show our discontent I’d consider it.

    Like you say there is plenty to do, we just need all those interested to sit down and think the best way forward, start slowly and escalate as needed.

    I personally like a sit in after the game, especially a televised one where they will do analysis after so will be asking why the fans have all stayed.

  • 72 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Sparky, yeah, something was amiss. He wouldn’t have made much of a difference anyway.

    He has no system, has no clue, his name, is Alan Pardew.

  • 73 Kaney_G // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    I wonder how many of the lads calling for a boycott have actually got season tickets and how many go to the odd game and watch the rest in the pub. Ashley paid off 138m of debt and is clawing it back before selling at a massive profit. That is what arse hole buisnessmen do. The current mess is the fault of Freddy Shepherd’s massive over spending. Ashley is a tight c*** with no regard for the team or supporters but boycotting the games will do nowt as he only cares about money. Season tickets are already paid for and match day ticket sales are a drop in the ocean compared to the new sky deal. We are gonna have to bite down on our gum shields and suck it up until he decides to sell.

  • 74 Jesus1983 // Aug 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Why do i keep reading that we haven’t replaced Demba Ba? Since his departure we have brought in 2 strikers. It was the same when Carroll left. I don’t get it?

    Having said that….we definitely need another one lol

  • 75 DokToon // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    TS,

    its not that we have to all agree to one opinion, suffice to say, in your golden words, how the supporters want our club to progress, and are saddened at the dismantling of OUR team, that its not a venue for sales, its the city, a nation, and in my case, a world that supports NUFC… and we want a change in policies… no threats, no nastiness, just a summation of what we all see wrong, what could be done to fix it…

    if i wroter a letter, it would have so many 4 letter words in it, i wouldnt be takne seriously lol…

  • 76 DokToon // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    oops haidara, i said sissoko in my passion for an idea to cntribute , my bad…

  • 77 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Transfer, I’d do a sit in, no problem. Yes, there are lots of things to do and all can be effective to a different degree.

    Something has to give though, it’s simply awful. Fat Sam won’t be in any mood to go easy either, when we play West Ham.

  • 78 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    TS

    There are other people to target other than Ashley. The fans representative, head of media, JFK, Pardew, the players, the sponsors…

  • 79 Lowesy // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    If you guys are gonna do a protest I’d do it soon! Maybe it’ll give them a kick up the backside to at least get a signing in before they go!

  • 80 Lowesy // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Would it be possible to get Sky Sports involved or something? Anyone know anyone on the inside? Ask them to do coverage over it or something.

  • 81 wolfshead@toon // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    sell cisse bring back demba baaaaaaaaa :-)

  • 82 wingspan // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    I really really hope Fenerbache smash the goon tonight and wipe that smug aloof look off wengers face.

  • 83 NUFC FOR SALE // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    I remember when Ashley first took over. … the quote was that he bought the club to have some fun. …. we all thought. . Get in a billionaire who wants to spend a ton of cash on the club.
    Well what Ashley was trying to tell you was he was buying the club so him and goods cockney croanies could have fun at a bunch of geordies expense.
    Well you fat cockney c**t you’ve had your fun now f**k off with the rest of your jellied eel eating, spoon playing, pearly jacket wearing soft southern a&se holes so we can get people in who know what they’re doing.

  • 84 NUFC FOR SALE // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Being back demba ba anyway. … the best striker we’ve had since shearer

  • 85 sparky55 // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    toonfogg…that may well be the case but all four i mentioned are worth considerably more than what we paid for them therefore the plan is working

  • 86 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    But any protest or open letter would need to wait until after the window is shut.

    If it needs to be done, someone should write a letter that has the support of all fan groups, blogs etc. that’s what’s needed.

  • 87 wingspan // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Demba wouldnt come bak for many reasons.
    Pards
    Wages
    Cabaye his close friend is leaving
    He has Ambition

    These are just a few off the top of my head, having great fans can only do so much sadly.

  • 88 irishtoon999 // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Feel sorry for pardew? Are U joking? It took Ashley a while to find the complete glove puppet and yes man, but my god did he find that in our Alan p.. Pardew was desperate to manage any club, so along came Ashley and said we’ll take U but here are the conditions!! Need I say anymore…

  • 89 Thump // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    But any protest or open letter would need to wait until after the window is shut.

    This. If you think we won’t get anybody “over the line” now, wait until SJP is all empty seats.

  • 90 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    I think MA did buy the club to have fun, but then he made big screw ups:
    1. Didn’t notice £100M of debt before he bought the club
    2. Failed to appoint a DoF and/or chairman with success in top flight football
    3. Pandered to the fans by getting rid of Big Sam and appointing KK
    4. Compounded the above mistake while trying to fix it by appointing a DoF (poison dwarf) with no experience

    By that point, he’d ruined his relationship with the fans. Really he should have just admitted his mistakes and sold up then, but he’d have made a big loss. So he’s making the most of it now.

  • 91 Thump // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    Pardew was desperate to manage any club, so along came Ashley and said we’ll take U but here are the conditions!

    But Pardew isn’t a manager. He doesn’t deal with contracts, incomings, outgoings, backroom staff etc. Pardew is a head coach, nothing more, nothing less. There are no “conditions” to his employment (which I’m assuming you mean his current working conditions with JFK etc.). He has to worry about a team that could be sold right from under his feet as well as prepare a starting eleven to take on top teams.

    I don’t like Pardew anymore than the next man but he’s here to stay. Not because he’s greedy but because he’s sure as shit not going to be pushed out by some foul mouthed piss artist.

  • 92 Jarra // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    new season and the positives are.

    .Let us pray

  • 93 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Thump

    I doubt SJP will ever be empty at a home match. These just seem like empty threats to me and they don’t get us to where we want to go.

    Any letter now would be ignored because we don’t have the whole picture.

  • 94 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    TDS…and don’t forget the financial times suddenly changed on him (everyone thought it would only get better)

  • 95 Pizzicato The Arizona Geordie // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    I have to say I am so fed up with the recent situation. We got good players, but no good coach and no good owner. Maybe boycotting is the only option unless we have a billionaire fan buying out the whole club.

    But at least for tomorrow, please sack Pardew for his lack of tactical common sense.

  • 96 SuperShearer // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    Now would be an ideal time to put in a cheeky bid for Jack Wilshire forcing Wenger to pull him from the Gooner’s crucial Champ League game…..no? If only it were that simple.

  • 97 Pizzicato The Arizona Geordie // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    TDS and Thump, we got the most loyal fan base in UK, right? The stadium is not going to be empty for sure, but I can’t think of anything to do… just so hopeless.

  • 98 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    Jesper

    No. For him things have got better. Football revenue has continued to rise and he and his companies have continued to get richer.

  • 99 Billythefish // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Disgruntled season ticket holder, the only reason I enjoy match days now is a day out with the lads, we all feel the same. Ashley and how he runs the club is a disgrace, the only person who is getting any enjoyment is Ashley pissing himself laughing at us.
    If he had any serious ambition do you think JFK would the job he has??? We are now a laughing stock and it’s embarrassing that other fans and pundits actually feel sorry for us. How far we have fallen. We do not expect to win the league but to suck any sort of excitement from us is disgraceful and until something’s done we just keep moaning and excepting the worst.

  • 100 Markaccus // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Bloody hell! Arsenal are using Ramsey as a defensive MF. Looks like we are not the only team with problems!

  • 101 Billythefish // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Have

  • 102 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Pizzicato

    How do we measure loyalty? Man City were getting around 30,000 in the 2nd and even 3rd tier, Sheffield Wednesday have been getting around 20,000 in the 2nd and 3rd tier too.

  • 103 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    TDS…I am talking about the financial meltdown in 2008 (it hit everyone hard)

  • 104 Pokat // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    @89 = that is a highly glossed ‘fault’ list right there mate ha ha if ONLY those were ALL the mistakes made. Mike Ashley has been slooooow at learning the Footy Club Director trade. And his errors filter sadly down to his managerial and admin choices. I feel a bit sorry for him but at the same time he should be ruthless with himself and concede he needs a REAL football head in the club, not some ridiculous archaic buffoon who makes NUFC the sniggering stock of the English game.

    Filters down, right to the pitch where the players have had all the belief to just play to their talents pulled from their very souls. If the coaches were ANY good they could at least make us into a hard-to-beat bunch of cloggers so we could tread water in
    Prem League until Ashley sells up and a new era can begin. Instead we have this heartless, soulless lacklustre bunch of miseries who we have to watch through our fingers week in and week out. Damn them DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL! Thats better, I am fine now :)

  • 105 Markaccus // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Id rather watch chelski- villa, but no one has it.

  • 106 Thump // Aug 21, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    @Pizzicato: Trust me, I feel the same way (christ, I had a season ticket last season) but boycotting now would be tantamount to cutting our noses off to spite our collective faces.

    Regarding the “empty SJP” comment, I didn’t mean a 0 attendance, I meant low.

  • 107 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    Jesper

    I know what you meant, but Ashley’s model of “pile em high, sell em cheap” actually flourished in the crappy economy. And revenues at football clubs have continued to rise too.

  • 108 Markaccus // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    Is the Emre at fenebache the one who used to play for us. Belezoglu or whatever it was?

  • 109 Thump // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    @billythefish: I’ve always said it’s bad when your rivals are shaking their heads and offering condolences. I was in Boro not too long ago and was wearing my Toon shirt. Was sitting outside Starbucks waiting for my lass and her mate and a group of lads came over and started chatting about how it’s a disgrace that Newcastle are in the position they’re in etc. I thought they were taking the piss until two of them pulled out Boro season tickets.

    It’s just not on, mate. Ashley needs to give his head a wobble or lose the key to his purse so he’s forced to sell up.

  • 110 fatman // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    your peddling your myth again you cant really expect anyone to believe a man who’s made over a billion pound, and failed to look at the accounts, do you know what the bottom line in accounting means, you cant hide debt its fraud criminal offense 10 years in jail if you even try it i posted my description for you read it so you can put it to bed. take it from me he had full knollage of our debts

  • 111 Thump // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    @Markaccus: The one who scored that free kick? One and the very same, mate!

  • 112 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Point

    Yep, it’s simplified. But those were the major mistakes that then filtered down to all the smaller mistakes (no signings last summer, JFK, JFK again!)

  • 113 Pokat // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Smog monsters saying we have a desperate club? I really wish I hadn’t come on to this blog now I feel depressed.

  • 114 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Farman

    Who said Shepherd tried to hide debts? I thought it was generally accepted at the time that MA didn’t do his due diligence properly and didn’t understand there were still huge amounts due on our players and an amount due to be repaid on the stadium too.

  • 115 BuckLuck // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    After 20min Aston Villa has just produced one chance. Chelsea are outpleying them like City outplayed us.

  • 116 BuckLuck // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    Ba looks lively as a lone striker.

  • 117 Pokat // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    I know I havent been on here recently so forgive me for just noticing the header has changed. Glad you cleared all the rubbish off that banner ED. Is that YOUR protest by the way? :)

    Anyone seen a smoggie game recently? Theres your empty stadium right there. My word, how can they stand it? I talked to someone who went to a game there and apparently people just chat and catch up among themselves while the play is going on. Desperate. I hope we dont become them, the zombies of football.

  • 118 Thump // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    @fatman: I’m sick of arguing this. It’s not a myth. The only way Ashley could have seen the full books is if he lodged a formal bid. Instead he bought the stocks because he wanted to sell the club for a quick turnaround profit.

    Do you remember him doing Adidas out of a load of money? That was his plan with NUFC. He didn’t do due diligence because at no point did he think it would be necessary.

  • 119 Thump // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    @pokat: Tell me about it mate :(

  • 120 Thump // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    Anyways lads, I’m off. Have fun!

  • 121 roe997 // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    .Boycott the games and merchandise.keeo supporting club by visiting toon match days and watching in pubs etc is the way. An empty stadium and full city will show our anger.also protest around city.something has to be done.

  • 122 fatman // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    yes that’s true but only to the extent he did not know the debt had to be paid on the sale of the hall stake as the loans were secured against Hall assets that was void if the halls sold up, and this i know as a 100% fact as my brother was told by Chris Mort on a night out.
    mind it was implied by Llambias that it was Chris Mort to blame as it was his job to check the accounts, but Chris Mort was not an accountant and Ashley had more experience at accounting than Chris Mort did. and i have heard it said that no one can con Ashley its claimed if you paid him (Ashley) a £100 bill in pennies he would know if any was short without counting.

  • 123 Pokat // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Stop buying the pies. You will also increase your lifespan. Everyone wins. Sorry, except Ashley.

  • 124 Jamesthefirst // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    The situation at Newcastle:

    Cabaye – Our best player by a country mile, hence why all of the richest clubs want him. You cannot blame him for wanting to go. He said at the start of the summer he hoped the club would learn from the errors of last summer and invest in the squad. We didn’t. He should be playing for a CL club in World Cup year. For all we know he could’ve wanted to play on Monday but was told not to so he didn’t get injured for the big move.

    Pardew – Proved on Monday he has lost the dressing room. The petulance the players showed is a sign of an unhappy camp. If West Ham beat us comfortable on Saturday, Pardew will be sacked.

    JK – Will become the interim manager at some stage this season until a new manager comes in (most likely next summer). He will move back into the cushy role of Director of Football.

    Carver – should be sacked. The coaching is none existence. No pass and move. No defence organisation. Not earning his money at all.

    Dream Manager Line Up – Hiddink and Lee Clark as his number 2

  • 125 Markaccus // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    Ah right cheers thump. I wasnt sure as there are a few of them. All these Emres look the same to me.

  • 126 DiscoNUFC // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Tottenhams recent spree shows a very central, ball on the floor approach….

    Does this leave mr Lennon out of the picture? No point replacing our outgoing central midfielder with lesser version in the same role, try to change it up a bit.

    What, 15-16 mil??

    With width and a constant aerial feed into the box we could even use shola to get us out of the crap we’re in!

    Just a thought

  • 127 fatman // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    Thump

    you do not need to do due diligence the books at the bottom tell you how the company is doing. due diligence just gives you all the details, and obviously the main one was that the loans were secured against hall assets and had to be repaid.

  • 128 wingspan // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    I think article really sums up the mood of football well and also the way that the Ashley regime has slowy eaten away at our football souls.

    A sad article really but it defo has some unfortunate home truths

    http://sabotagetimes.com/football/newcastle-united-we-may-lose-cabaye-but-weve-already-lost-much-more-than-that

  • 129 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    Thump’s post at 117 is laughable.

    Ashley didn’t do Adidas out of any money – he bought shares and sold them at a very tidy profit when the price went up.

    Some of the stuff written on here is hilarious.

  • 130 dcdick // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Pardew out !!!

  • 131 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    fatman

    So nobody is suggesting that Shepherd tried to pull the wool over Ashley’s eyes and succeeded. But when he bought the club, he then found out that he needed to pay out a large sum on a loan for the stadium and there were also large amounts due on the squad at the time. He had to pay off the former and made the decision to pay off the latter immediately too as he didn’t want to run the club with outstanding debt to external parties.

    So he was about £90M or so out of pocket virtually as soon as he bought the club. I think the exact figure might have been £87M so maybe people are just rounding up to £90M or £100M.

  • 132 fatman // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    bills-son

    it was widely believed that Ashly took over us to put pressure on Adidas as we were one of there biggest clubs, as at one time the hole stadium was black & white and granny watching it at home had her gear on too.

  • 133 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    Thump

    The only way MA could have made a quick profit on NUFC was if he knew that things were a mess and he intended to sort them out before selling a nice clean smoothly run club. But I don’t recall a single football club owner has ever successfully done this so it would seem like a gamble, which is out of character anyway.

    Much more likely he bought it for:
    a) fun
    b) a reputable vehicle for his Sports Direct chain

  • 134 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    The idea of a boycott is certainly not pointless.

    Of course we need to put a plan in place, work out a strategy going forward and implement in, but that does not mean that the need for a strong message now is not a pressing concern.

    Boycotting a game is the only measurable way we can get our message across to Ashley in the short term, while in the long term, we can mobilise ourselves and organise a forum, official campaign, elect a committee, convene meetings, and try to gather support as a method of trying to find a solution in the long run.

    Even if we simply halved the attendances for the next few games, that would be an eye opener for the owner, one that will reverberate and force him to wake up and listen to us fans.

    Continually filling SJP will only exacerbate the problem and further ensure that Ashley will do little, if anything, to appease us fans, as he knows he will constantly get away with it.

    I know I am not a Geordie, and that I cannot attend every single home game anyway, but I do spend a lot of time, energy, and money supporting this club. Instead of pumping all of that time and energy into supporting a pale imitation of what used to be our football club, we should be putting those resources and energy into formulating a plan, organising ourselves as a truly united fan base in trying to trying to affect change.

    This change can come in a variety of different ways; change in the sense of forcing Ashley to find a new buyer, or change in the sense that Ashley changes his business practice with regards this football club.

    I really think fans should be asking themselves why it is that they pay to watch NUFC any more? The answer “to support the team” is a grave contradiction.

    You are not supporting NUFC by going to SJP, you are supporting the regime that is killing it.

  • 135 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    God Benteke is brilliant…. why dont we have this player…

  • 136 oldbobaycliffe // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    would anyone have steve mcclaren as manager. on the coaching staff at qpr at the moment but a very good coach and he didn,t do to bad at smoggieland and twente didn,t do well at forest .i think he would be a good director of football.

  • 137 fatman // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    it was to promote his company plain & simple and you would have needed to get up early to pull a fat one over Ashley, not many in the UK can loose almost £1b in half a year and get it back the next, no one should give any sympathy to Ashley he don’t need it save it for the one who needs a wonga loan, i give a % each year to good causes, if i had Ashley’s vast wealth i wold give it to the needy and the ones that deserve it. but that would be my choice for all we know Ashley could do the same.

  • 138 BuckLuck // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Benteke just scored for Aston Villa after 48min, seconds before the break. Aston Villa are extremely lucky with the score after half time, 1-1. They doesn’t look a lot better than we did on monday, maybe a bit more balanced at the back.

    So, we really need that strong CF we’ve been waiting for since Ba left.

  • 139 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    If Ashley bought the club for a quick profit why the hell would he wear an NUFC shirt in the Directors box – something no other owner has ever done – and drink in the Strawberry and away end with the fans?

    The reason is he didn’t buy it for a quick profit, simple as. He bought it because he is a football fan and to promote SD which any owner in the sports market would have done. That isn’t underhand ffs its common bloody sense.

    And fans who say Ashley has reduced our debt simply ‘shifted it elsewhere’ are talking bo11ox. If I buy a business that has debt and an overdraft and I pay the debt and the overdraft off instead of taking it on – I have reduced the debt and taken control away from my creditors, at a cost to me. That is exavtly what Ashley did. If he wants to include that cost in the price of the club that is his decision.

  • 140 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Should have read fans who say Ashley HASNT reduced our debt.

  • 141 ToonDownSouth // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Benteke’s goal is remeniscent (though not as good) as one Cisse scored at the bridge 2 seasons back.

    I miss Cisse being enthusiastic. Now he just wanders round the pitch like a lazy s**t, disappointed at both the lack of service and his lack of wages it would seem.

  • 142 AmericanGeordie // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    For everyone on this blog calling for or contemplating bring Ba back, I would say that I would absolutely welcome him if he wanted to return, and if there was a way back financially. (I think that would consist of us paying Chelsea a couple of million less to compensate us for his higher wages above our scale.)

    The MAIN issue to me, is that Cisse would have to be sold. It is clear that these two do NOT complement each other, and can’t co-exist at the club.

    Nevertheless, I would definitely swap Cisse for Ba. I would still look to add another striker as an upgrade over Shola (sell Shola for his good and ours at this point in his career). Then focus on improving the midfield, especially the wide players, with ALL of the proceeds from the Cabaye sale.

  • 143 geordielad880 // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    I still think newcastle need to bring in a couple of new coaches to the set up, we need a foreign forward thinking coach, and a perm fitness coach, as faye downey is only involved part time, and judged by monday a sports psychologist on site :-)

  • 144 Schwefelberg // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    It is true that some late signings will shut the unhappy up. But it won’t be long before Fat Boy Slime drops another stink bomb on the club — that is baked in.

    AShley is not Greek but beware his gifts.

  • 145 geordielad880 // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    I would have ba back all day long, he is 10 times the player of cisse, great touch, movement, better finisher, can hold the ball up, has pace, and understands the game ( not offside 8 times a match)

  • 146 ToonDownSouth // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    bills

    You’ve been giving it the same speech for years now – what could Ashley actually do that would convince you he’s not an angel of football ownership? Are you not a little puzzled as to how every other team in the league (asides from Manchester United & Arsenal) has strengthened and we have not? For the second summer running, I should add.

  • 147 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    Where would Villa be without Benteke ? . He is just as important for them as Ba was for us the last season & a half .

  • 148 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    The problem with Ashley is that he wants to break even, at worst, when he decides to sell the club.

    He doesn’t seem to grasp that a football club will never make you money. It costs money to buy a football club, and it costs more money to achieve success, and if you have cr*p players on high wages it will cost you even more.

    We will never see our revenue streams open properly unless we get CL football, unless we have an incredibly lucky season again and finish 4th we are never going to reach the CL places under Ashley, so the revenue we now have is about the most we will see unless he decides to sell the stadium name again, or associate ourselves with a sponsor willing to pay megabucks (which will never happen unless we’re in the CL)

    With that in mind, how does Ashley envisage he will get his money back? No one will pay the best part of 300m for a mid table PL club with no chance of CL football. So, unless he’s going to recoup the money by selling our prize assets so he can reduce the price of the club and hopefully entice a new owner, we will be lumbered with him for a while.

    We need to try and force his hand, encourage him that it’s in his best interests to take a fiscal hit, reduce the price of the club and sell it on.

  • 149 check the toastie // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    The club has lost its soul, the players need direction and a ‘team’ needs to be built, currently it appears nobody really gives a f#ck. Pardew is alone, the players stopped listening to him a ling time ago, He is PATHETIC and should have walked after the Liverpool home game last year.

    THE MAN IS AN EMBARRASSMENT

  • 150 check the toastie // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    I honestly believe JFK Would do better and although I am no fan, I would be currently pleased if he talk over from Percy Plonker.

  • 151 Schwefelberg // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    He’ll make more money selling the club to anyone he can find and invest at the bottom of this market somewhere else. It’s a win win!

  • 152 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    Fatman

    I certainly don’t give him any sympathy! But his early decisions don’t smack of pure greed to me. I think that was secondary. Remember him sitting with the fans? What other owner has done that???

  • 153 Slank // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    Ruddy @ 133

    What have previous boycotts ever achieved?

    Remember, 11 black and white shirts on a washing line will always attract a crowd on Tyneside.

    I know you are not a Geordie but believe me when I say that watching Newcastle United is an addiction for Geordies. I’m not patronizing it’s just that addictions of any kind are always difficult to stop and that is why a boycott will be pointless.

  • 154 Schwefelberg // Aug 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Ashley worships money total philistine.

    Billionaire at a loose end who’s embarass himself in the company of more urbane billionairse so bought us since thinks we are blue collar kin.

  • 155 toonfogg // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Sparky55 @84
    you’re right mate they have increased in price so guess the plan is working. Just wish
    they looked like they had developed when on the pitch mate

  • 156 jazzyp // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Evening all
    I don’t think any signings that will hopefully be brought in over the next 2 wk, Will make a blind difference to how things are at the club. We bought heavily in January and initially things looked promising. But everything went back to the same old same old.
    Everyone knows something is not sitting right from the manager to the owner.You could clearly see the players were not of right mind throughout the match, and not playing to there full potential.

  • 157 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    I at least think Kinnear would be able to get the players fired up and have us attack teams more . Might p*ss a few people off but that is maybe what is needed ? .

  • 158 AaranD // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    I’m guessing the debt owed to Ashley has gone down, it must have. We where the 20th richest club in the world a year ago and with massive new T.V deal, I think a big chunk went to Ashley as we have not seen it pumped into the club.
    When he does sell up, eventually, I think he’ll buy Rangers. Already has 10% share of them, cheap team to run being in Div 1, in Scotland and after their current problems.

  • 159 Slank // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    Ruddy

    ‘..We need to try and force his hand, encourage him that it’s in his best interests to take a fiscal hit, reduce the price of the club and sell it on…’

    Ever thought that he could sell it to someone who has less money than he has and therefore less to invest? It does happen.

    I’m not supporting Ashley, but people shouldn’t automatically assume that the next owner is going spend lavishly when the new owner is all to aware that the fans turned on the previous two owners.

  • 160 BuckLuck // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    jazzyp
    I agree with you. Why should the players respect Pardew when the fans and the owner doesn’t? How many players have talked to the press about poor tactics and poor traning? 4-5?

  • 161 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    AaranD

    It went up when we got relegated and it went down a bit last year when he used some of the profits to pay it off.

    It’s still over £100M though I believe. Add that to about £130M that he paid for the club, a new owner would need to offer a sizeable sum…

  • 162 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Villa OWNING Chelsea badly….they are going to smash us so are Chelski….

    Man o man…. we are so bad :-/

  • 163 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    I look at Villa taking it to Chelsea and it makes me sick when I see us ten men behind the ball inviting pressure FFS. Lambert another manager I would rather have than Pardew.

  • 164 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Slank

    Ashley doesn’t invest his own money anyway, regardless of how much money a new owner has, we only spend what we make as it is, therefore the situation would not be any worse, it would simply remain the same, without the annual catastrophic implosion that embarrasses the club.

    I understand that a lot of fans would find it hard to stop going to SJP, but believe me, if those die hards who never miss a game were to stop going to the matches, the owner would stand to attention and listen.

    A half assed boycott is pointless, but a well organised, well mobilised boycott, that is intent on sending a strong message certainly is not.

  • 165 Toon1978 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    I tell you what, Villa are giving it a good go. I am afraid we are even behind Villa. Investment needed ffs.

  • 166 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Chelsea need a goal and look at their options :

    Torres, Lukaku, De Bruyne , Schurrle

    Makes me feel sick :(

  • 167 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Toondownsouth,

    If you’d have read my posts for last few months I’ve said I will be giving Ashley stick if we don’t sign 3/4 players and sell more than one so called purple.

    The points I’ve made tonight aren’t pro Ashley they are simply pointing out nonsense posted about share dealing and why he bought the club.

  • 168 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    Toon1978

    you think? we are DEFINITELY behind them they are playing really well…

  • 169 stuart no9 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    bills @ 138 oooh bills you are so so wrong with your post, ,to be honest you are starting to look silly now and its getting embarrassing . you have tried to prove your point with ashly for nearly 6 years – dont you think its time to stop now, there are no more excuses you can pull out the hat without souding silly.

  • 170 dembademba // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    we’re definitely behind villa. they were terrible last year and we finished below them. they have a plan. player for player our squad is better. but, as i said, they have a plan. we do not.

  • 171 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Villa playing 4-3-3 with :

    ——–Weimann——–Benteke——–Agbonlahor——–

    Very versatile as away from home it can be used as a counter attacking 4-5-1 away from home . We played one of the best away games I have seen using that formation against WBA in the 5th place finish season .

  • 172 jazzyp // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Buckluck
    Evening mate-If we the fans can see the wrongs and rights of the club, Its more than obvious that the players have more inside knowledge than us and can see how the club is falling back in to the abyss.
    The club is teetering on dangerous grounds and Ashley seems to be doing nothing about it !!

  • 173 USAGEORDIE // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Traore from Anzhi would be a striker that would get us excited. But the real need is the service, we don’t have any good wingers to get him the ball. A solid winger with Cisse and 6’8″ Traore could be lethal.

  • 174 Toon1978 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola)

    Yes :( having said that, i believe City are stronger then Chelsea so i might be being a tad harsh!

  • 175 BuckLuck // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    The difference between Villa and us is work ethic and discipline, and a bit of pace. Chelsea owned Villa in the first half, but Villa is closing down really well after the breake.

    I’d drop all new signings if it ment we would get a good manager.

  • 176 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Stuart09,

    And what exactly in 138 is ‘silly’ pray tell.

  • 177 dembademba // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    good management (from lambert) has meant that any inflated egos in that squad (bent) have been crushed. we only have inflated egos. forget about the players our manager, our director of football, our owner, never heard anyone suggest this but maybe carr too??

    the whole set up doesnt seem healthy in the slightest.

  • 178 Slank // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    Ruddy

    You are right that a half assed boycott is pointless, but that is what will happen and the rest of the country will have yet another reason to laugh at those thick illusionist Geordies.

    Trying to organize fifty odd thousand Geordies will make herding cats seem like a doddle.

  • 179 geordielad880 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    villa played well for about the last 12 games of last season, lambert had a plan, and kept going with it, they are a a top side, and i said at start of season they would be the surprise package, young side, will only get better

  • 180 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    We should sell Tiote and get Jucilei from Anzhi . Then bring in Sinclair , Gourcuff & another striker.

  • 181 Toon1978 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    I know i keep saying this but our problem is wide areas on both sides. We are screaming out for width.City destroyed us down the wings. I don’t think we had one decent cross in the whole game. A striker and two wingers. Unfortunately, judging by Pardews comments today, i feel Cabaye will go and we will bring no one in. M.Ashley really need’s to sell up but there’s no bugger who wants to buy us hahaha…..bummer.

  • 182 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    Villa have done what every other club in the lower half except us have done
    Scrapped the system that had them flirting with relegation, strengthened sensibly (note to mini accountants, sensibly as is not spending millions and millions) had a well organised pre season and have gone into the season with confidence and belief

    Make no mistake were in serious trouble

  • 183 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Unlucky Villa . I would take a 2-1 away loss to Chelsea with half a dozen good chances than a 4-0 drubbing to City any day of the week .

  • 184 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Bills-son

    Spot on there. Stating the facts doesn’t mean that we don’t think he’s made big mistakes running our club, but it’s pointless making random attacks at the man that are actually unfounded. There are plenty of genuine reasons to be unhappy, why make up reasons?!

  • 185 jazzyp // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    The loss was hard to bear granted, But the manner of the performance was shocking to say the least. I was slating people on here predicting 7 and 8-0 losses but in all fairness it could have been a lot more.
    I wonder what Ashley’s actions would have been if we would have been trounced 8-0 the first game of the season !!

  • 186 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Slank

    Well then it is up to those who think that a boycott is the best idea to try and convince Geordies, and other NUFC fans that it is in fact for the best interests of the long term future of the club.

    I’m not advocating anything that will potentially harm the club or embarrass the club, as I feel the biggest embarrassment to NUFC these days is the man running the bloody club.

    Where do you stand on a boycott? Do you think that if we even managed to halve the attendance that it would make the owner listen to us fans?

  • 187 Toon_Tom // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Why dont we replace Ba….. with Ba?

  • 188 dembademba // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    take gouffran out of that team against city and put gomis there, we would have been much better

  • 189 Spuggy // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Walcott show the damage you can do with a decent winger. Man c too.

    We need a CB, striker AND a decent quick winger minimum.

  • 190 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    its sad times for NUFC….

    If we dont make min 3 good very good signings we will be relegated ….mark my words….ppl are delusional to think we are better than many PL teams…

  • 191 Toon_Tom // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    Ruddy – a boycott, at NUFC, would never happen.

    The geordie faithfull will always support the team and you wouldnt even get 10K people to miss a home game

  • 192 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    @ Tom

    I would have Demba back in a heartbeat, but would you want to return to NUFC at the minute ?

  • 193 Spuggy // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    A good winger attacking a weak FB can win you games.

  • 194 Spuggy // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Demba has done nowt for Chelsea. Got subbed on 65 mins. 2 goals?

  • 195 Toon_Tom // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    also – season tickets have already been paid, so even if 50% of fans didnt show up one saturday afternoon, yes it would show intent, and make a statement, bu wouldnt dent Cashley’s wallet

  • 196 Toon1978 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Spuggy

    We need a LW and a RW. We have no width at all. Obertan is a crock of sh1te. Marveaux and HBA are more number 10’s…just behind the front 2.

  • 197 BuckLuck // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    jazzyp
    Evening mate. Ashley could easily adress the problem by either buy a couple of players and/or sack Pardew, so why isn’t he? Everybody knows that Ashley is here to earn money, but he would earn more by following in Tottenhams footsteps. He does the opposite?
    One thing I know though and that is that both Pardew and Ashley are really bad for this club. No doubt about it.

  • 198 Toon_Tom // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    Pappa @191 – if all he cares about is game time, then I think he would def consider it. Would get more minutes with us than Chelski!

  • 199 jazzyp // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    Gorganzola
    The fans can clearly see that nothing has changed from last season. Fitness coach clearly not worked-Pre season was all dis jointed, The appointment of jk. Just lurching from disaster to the next.

  • 200 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    Spuggy

    100% agree…. Saylor should be a backup nothing more, he is pure liability need a CB badly…Colo is getting slow and is getting dominated. no pace up front need winger and a CF that is powerful..

  • 201 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    Ruddy, you say: “I really think fans should be asking themselves why it is that they pay to watch NUFC any more? The answer “to support the team” is a grave contradiction.”

    I go to SJP to support the team and be entertained. Win or lose or draw, that happens. What I am asking myself is where you come from and whether you show full allegiance to your local team?

  • 202 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    we should bid for Demba ba….I dont see a problem…

  • 203 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:31 PM

    Well then my opinion, as I have said before, is that it is your choice to go to the match, it is your choice to pay money towards the regime all in the name of “support” but that you have no right to complain about the poor ownership of Mike Ashley if you’re not willing to do something about it.

    It is the responsibility of every Newcastle United fan to do something about it, and if they are not willing to do something about then we have no right to complain about the systematic abuse aimed at us from Jabba the Cnut.

  • 204 Toon1978 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    Villa should have scored. FFS we had one shot at City lol.

  • 205 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    Jack Butler You ask secretsuasage what was entertaining about last season? I love going to SJP, win lose or draw. Some people would rather going shopping with the wife or play golf. Each to their own.

    I agree almost 100% with Sausage’s view. Although our squad is good enough to get us 7th place, I can’t see us getting anywhere near that under Pardew. We’ll be lucky to avoid relegation.

  • 206 Slank // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Ruddy

    ‘Where do you stand on a boycott? Do you think that if we even managed to halve the attendance that it would make the owner listen to us fans? ‘

    As you may have guessed I don’t believe in a boycott. Firstly, it will be half arsed. Secondly, it will only bring further ridicule on our fans. Thirdly, it will not hurt Ashley as money from the turnstiles is no longer the big revenue earner. Fourthly, after only one game, albeit embarrassing, and two weeks to go in the transfer window, albeit disappointing so far, I don’t see a panic or an implosion in the club. And finally, Ashley is probably a very hard nosed, thick skinned bruiser who almost certainly will not be troubled by a half arsed boycott.

  • 207 geordielad880 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    boycott is totally pointless, most people have paid season tickets in advance, do you actually think ashley cares

  • 208 Mancgeordie // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    So lads any truth in the rumours we want Gourcuff, Gomis and Thauvin?

  • 209 Toon_Tom // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    Ruddy – agreed, but my point being is that if a handfull of season ticket holders didnt turn up, this wouldnt hurt Ahley where it matters (in his wallet)

  • 210 martoon // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Ruddy – I understand what you are trying to achieve BUT do you seriously expect us ST holders who have just forked out £600-700 to sit at home and watch the match on a dodgy stream?

  • 211 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    Blackley

    Saying as you’ve asked for the umpteenth time, I am from Ireland, specifically, I am from County Tyrone in the middle of Northern Ireland. I come from a small town called Omagh and football (soccer) is not the main sport in the town, and Northern Irish football as a whole is of a diabolical standard, even at Premier League level, of which there are none in my vicinity.

    I was brought up primarily watching and playing Gaelic football, and I still have an interest in it as a sport, as an Irishman I can’t but help it, however, my support for my local Gaelic football team has all but disappeared, and I have no more than a curious interest in my county team (which would be the highest level of Gaelic football).

    Why this is of interest to you, is beyond me, other than the fact that you’re attempting to pick holes in my character or find some flaw to which hang me by, work away. My allegiance is to Newcastle United, but unlike Geordies, I chose to pin my colours to the mast of Newcastle United, and unlike many Geordies I am willing to get involved in organisations and put myself in a situation to try and save the club from its current situation.

    Can you say the same?

  • 212 stuart no9 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    bills———–
    ——————‘If Ashley bought the club for a quick profit why the hell would he wear an NUFC shirt in the Directors box – something no other owner has ever done – and drink in the Strawberry and away end with the fans?

    The reason is he didn’t buy it for a quick profit, simple as. He bought it because he is a football fan and to promote SD which any owner in the sports market would have done. That isn’t underhand ffs its common bloody sense.

    And fans who say Ashley has reduced our debt simply ‘shifted it elsewhere’ are talking bo11ox. If I buy a business that has debt and an overdraft and I pay the debt and the overdraft off instead of taking it on – I have reduced the debt and taken control away from my creditors, at a cost to me. That is exavtly what Ashley did. If he wants to include that cost in the price of the club that is his decision’ —- first off , he bought the club to make a quick buck. , sadly for michael it went tits up. He bought the club with a view to selling it on to another buyer within 6 months- the other guy /or group pulled out hence leaving our great one with a club he didnt want.
    As for the 100mdebt , he thought he was going to get thqt back off the new buyer- he didnt. So, where does he go from here? our michael has a club he dosnt want, paid 100m over the odds and has to get it back. FLEECING THE FANS,– Ash started going into pubs in town – wearing the shirt – what a nice bloke wanting to mingle with the fans, however , if i was preparing to put one over the fans , the fist thing i would do is ‘make friends with them’ that way it dosnt look so intentional, that is what he did- luckily people saw through him and he stopped his ‘kind acts’ at trying to get to the peoples hearts before he ripped them off .
    It worked on some people – you included, but most people saw him for what he is – a wan”er,

  • 213 Slank // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    Toon_Tom @ 208

    You are correct about the season tickets but also that money through the turnstiles / season tickets is no longer the top revenue earner.

    In a rather perverse way a boycott, that features in the media, could benefit Ashley as it would advertise Sports Direct free of charge!

  • 214 Mister Tuff // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    gorgonzoa @199 – decent post. People are now daring to suggest that Colo is not looking all that good. I agree with what you said. I kept an eye on him on Monday night -he is slow and is ball watching. Just before Silva scored he had no idea who was behind him. He has started stopping and putting his hand up trying to claim an offside -instead of playing to the whistle. Anyone with pace will give him a roasting.

  • 215 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    Ok, now we’re engaging in discussion, not merely slating others who are calling for boycott.

    Anyone who has forked out big money for a ST will more than likely go to home matches, that’s a given, but many more pay during the week or on matchday, these people can boycott, and if the majority of these people did, it would still amount to a very sizeable boycott.

    The point of the boycott is not even to seriously effect him financially, more to do with trying to send him a strong message that the fan base has had enough of what we’ve been served up so far and we demand more from this regime.

  • 216 RooneyToons // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    Calm down boys Villa are shite.. 26% possession
    Same against Arsenal they were lucky.

    The only reason they’ve made chances is Agbonglahors pace.
    There really poor in every other department apart from up front.

    Remy will make such a difference for us as we’re missing that link

  • 217 jasper // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    A boycott of games will never get momentum and MA still has the money from the ST holders if they turn up or not.
    Banners etc will be prevented by the goons (sorry, stewards).
    Chants before / after a game are impossible because of the 120dB sound system, the reason that most NUFC fans are deaf.
    I think Roe got closest. Boycott everything in the bars – beer, pies, the lot. NOT that it would hurt financially given the overall turnover but it would be something that would be a could get up momentum, would demonstrate how pissed off we all are and could snowball into something of it got picked up by the media. And it wouldn’t be a big ask of the match day fans.

  • 218 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Transfer Sage

    You make such a big deal of the tacky SD adverts. How much do you think the club would earn if they sold that advertising space on the open market. Not a lot. Certainly, nowhere near what Mikey loses on his massive interest free to the club. Would you have the club charge him full value for the advertising and he charge the club full value for the loan?

    Also you don’t know that the club is getting less from Wonga than the previous deal. What would be Mikey’s motivation to strike a worse deal anyway?

    You complain about the standard of the playing staff because Mikey has been tight. Tell me how the strength of our current squad ranks in our all time history? You were no doubt one of those creaming at the prospect of getting our current players when they played for other clubs.

  • 219 Timmy87 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    Boycott is pointless cashley doesn’t care what us fans think and our players already lack confidence a boycott will only drop there performance even more (if that’s possible)

  • 220 Toon1978 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    All it takes is for the masses to wake the hell up to have a successful boycott. We have the same problem in society today, the MINORITY (Bankers, Politicians, shadow government) control the MAJORITY, us. The problem is, people do not realize this and carry on with their every day lives as if nothing is wrong. The banks rip you off…total theft yet they get away with it, Politicians are posh gangsters who are involved with the bankers getting back handers to keep their mouths shut. The whole system all over the world is corrupt but the masses are like sheep and allow themselves to be manipulated by the minority who we give all our power to. NUFC is exactly the same only on a much smaller scale. People need to realize that the club is taking the p1ss on a huge scale and they need to stop being sheeple and wake the hell up. You pay good money to be entertained but you are not getting what you are paying for, just like you taxes. Ashley is all take, take and take again. All it takes is for 10% to realize what is going on, take action and the rest will follow and Ashley’s pack of cards will full so rapidly he will shat his pants. Sorry for the rant.

  • 221 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Stuart no9

    And where is the proof that he was planning to sell 6 months later?
    Where is the logic in him (a non football expert) buying the club for profit?
    Where is the logic in the other so called prospective buyer paying a premium after Ashley has had the club for 6 months?
    Why would he bother sitting with the fans (which no other owner does) when he planned to sell in 6 months?

    Utter rubbish…

  • 222 Belfast-Toon // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Note to Ashley and JFK piss off to another club! Way off to rangers, they would do anything to be in r shoes. How come r club have gotten so depressing!

  • 223 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    “Mikey”

    Are you on familiar terms with the owner? With the over use of Mikey and the general construct of your argument you do seem very pro-Ashley, is there any reason for this?

  • 224 Schwefelberg // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Stuart that’s right.

    Keegan was the Judas goat to suck the fans in.

  • 225 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Ruddy, you say:

    “The point of the boycott is not even to seriously effect him financially, more to do with trying to send him a strong message that the fan base has had enough of what we’ve been served up so far and we demand more from this regime.”

    Were you at the games when the fans would continually taunt Mikey mercilessly? He couldn’t stand it. He hated it despite the impression he’d like to give that it didn’t bother him.

  • 226 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    A boycott just won’t happen unless you can latch onto one serious, relevant a truthful issue that pretty much everyone has a problem with. So what is that one thing? Bet everyone says different and many say things that aren’t even true.

  • 227 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    Blackley

    I’ve decided that you either know the owner personally, or are an apologist on an epic scale that I’ve decided that I cannot and will not take you seriously.

  • 228 Slank // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    Ruddy,

    You seem a good guy who will put forward a reasoned argument in a well thought out and civil manner (not too many of these on this blog sadly) even though I disagree with you on boycotts.

    Its been nice talking to you but as I live in a country where it was 42C today and hasn’t rained for the last four months (clearly not Ireland then !) I’m off to bed.

  • 229 ToonDownSouth // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    I think a lot of people seem to be missing the idea of a boycott.

    Even if there’s 10,000 empty seats in the stadium, if any of you have ever been to a football match with 1/5 of the stadium empty you’ll know it’s bloody noticable!

    The idea isn’t inflict financial damage – that can’t really happen unless no one turns up all season – but to send a message.

  • 230 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Ruddy @ 221 What’s wrong with “Mikey” or fans being pro- Ashley?

    NUFC for Sale wants rid “so we can get people in who know what they’re doing”. It is Mikey who will get the next owner in and they may or may not know what they’re doing. That’s the point.

  • 231 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    Slank

    Been good talking to you lad, hopefully we’ll have more discussions in the future and maybe I can wield my powers of persuasion…haha

    A lot of people here would disagree with you about the “reasoned argument in a civil manner” comment, but I’ll take the compliment

    All the best!

  • 232 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    Ruddy – harsh @ 225. where’s your argument? if you’re not a Geordie(?), who is your local team and do you show allegiance to it?

  • 233 RUNAWAY777 // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    martoon thats what you will have to do if you want this great club back,whats money to this club if it goes down the pan wake up now before its to late money is everthing mate.

  • 234 Belfast-Toon // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    Boycott! I’d love to be able tomato every game. Growing up here the only toon fan making a game once a year is torture. Do agree with the reasoning behind it tho

  • 235 toon kk // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    Horrible thing to say but unless there’s big improvements I think there’s good chance in us going down. Where in major trouble.

  • 236 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Blackley

    Not that I need to explain myself to you, but I’ve already answered your question. I could make it easy by pointing you directly to the comment number but I won’t.

  • 237 roy cropper // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    “Mikey”

    Are you on familiar terms with the owner? With the over use of Mikey and the general construct of your argument you do seem very pro-Ashley, is there any reason for this?….

    b&q is at loggerheads with his brother (troy stavers) who can’t stand the fatman – so for the sake of their aurgument he’s taking the opposite view.

  • 238 stuart no9 // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    TDS—– H e started sitting with the fans AFTER the deal fell through ( please read my post properly) I will dig out the article about ashley.

  • 239 Andreas Andersson // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Finally my first post!

    It’s all very painful to watch isn’t it.

    I really think the great foreign legion that NUFC have employed to play their football is at fault for the poor football.

    When NUFC was great we had an English core, with a sprinkling of foreign talent. The on pitch communication was loud and clear and (almost) everyone fought for the cause. Players like;

    Rob Lee
    David Batty
    Gary Speed (RIP)
    Kevin Nolan

    Now we have expensive group of individual players with a poor attitude and no fight.

    And i’m not even going to get into the management/director/owner side of things.

    In my humble opinion this is what I think/we need/should do at the moment.

    – Cisse needs a strike partner.ANYONE will do for now.
    – Anita needs to play every game.
    – Sissoko is overrated and cannot pass.
    – Sissoko is better then Tiote.
    – Mbiwa is our first choice defender.
    – Remy on the left wing.
    – Ben Arfa on the right wing.

  • 240 RUNAWAY777 // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    enough is enough only to nufc fans its not,have we lost are bottle for a fight,or do we lie down and die with are club ????????????????

  • 241 stuart no9 // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    TDS—- THE INDIPENDENT JULY 2013 ———-
    ————————————-Gambling has always been a hobby. He famously resolved a £200,000 legal bill with his City brokers with a game of Spoof. But unlike his short and long bets on the financial markets, buying Newcastle United in that year was not supposed to be risky. The story goes that Ashley snapped up the club from the Hall family with a view to selling it quickly at a huge profit to an already identified buyer – a deal known as a “flip” in City speak. “But the deal never came off,” laughs one familiar with the negotiations. “And what do you call a deal that goes wrong? An investment. Newcastle’s become a very costly investment for Mike.” Not that Ashley will sell out on the cheap to avoid the abuse and grief he gets from the Magpies’ faithful. “He will never sell that club at a loss. It’s just not in his make-up,” says the friend

  • 242 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    I must admit, I read the same article that Stuart is referring to, Mike Ashley was supposedly looking to take legal action against the Independent despite the fact that the article was largely positive.

  • 243 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    Stuart09 @ 211,

    I suppose you belief in fairies and that Prince Philip ordered the murder of Princess Diana.

    Having said that, your story at 211 is more far fetched.

  • 244 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    The problem is there is always gonna be fans who fill turn up for matches….If I was in Newcastle would now show up…somebody should unite all the fans..a cause….. anything…NOBODY should pitch up for a game….

    its taken two seasons from a top 5 finish to this…amazing…. but its how it is…when you have 3 clowns at NUFC….

    To me 99% of fault is Ashley:

    Very simple Pardew is a liar and a charlatan but its not his fault Ashley employed him….Ashley knows this…

    JFK appointment is horrid to say the least….once again a yes man.

    KK was right these people have no IDEA about football. They cant manage a football club, great businessman not the same thing. Worst is we are forgiving fans and dont ask for much h8 to say it…a cup win once in a while something anything….

    but no…..

  • 245 OhSholaAmeobi // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    239

    Please don’t quote tabloid papers as fact

  • 246 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    Stuart

    “The story goes that…” is hardly proof! It’s just one person’s opinion and that person being a journalist doesn’t make it any more likely.

  • 247 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    Also claiming that simply because Ashley sat among fans for a few games is conclusive that he didn’t want to flip it for a quick profit is also a bit spurious.

    Swings and roundabouts people.

  • 248 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    Cropper – Not true.

    Ruddy – I’m not an apologist for Mikey. I think he’s a non-football person, making a load of bad footballing calls. Appointing Pardew in the first place was the biggest mistake and not getting rid of him when it was obvious is the second. However, he’s provided a good first X1 and a decent squad and he appears to be building steadily. Too many spoilt fans want rich people to piss away their family’s wealth and not just now but yesterday.

    I did not see your reply. I apologise, but there are so many comments and changing articles on this site, I can’t keep up. It’s easier to track those posters who I particularly disagree with, so apologies if you’re feeling victimised. Nothing personal. Why won’t you give me the number, I wonder?

  • 249 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    Blackley

    Because I found your demands for me to justify myself to you to be insulting, that’s why.

    I’m not a sensitive sort who feels paranoid or victimised, however that does not mean that I do not get frustrated when I am patronised and pestered for a comment to prove my worthiness

    So before you turn on any sort of analysis my way, perhaps get your own house in order.

  • 250 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    For all those that want Ashley out – JUST be careful of what you want/get because he will sell to the highest bidder and that could be someone/thing far worse than Ashley
    Ask the Blackburn fans

  • 251 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Ruddy

    I’m not saying it’s conclusive but I see no logical arguments to prove otherwise and several logical arguments why he wasn’t looking for a quick sale.

  • 252 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    @BB 246

    “Too many spoilt fans want rich people to piss away their family’s wealth and not just now but yesterday.”

    Completely untrue….

    we bid in the last few years WELL below the asking price. I think the only transfer as of late that went smoothly is Cisse, Cabaye, HBA the rest was torture. I dont expect Cavani. Nor do most fans but players out there a plenty with normal prices.

    Wijnaldum
    Tadic
    Ljajic
    PLENTY youngsters out there we never really bid OR we bid with an insulting bid. I look to Swansea, Villa, even Norwich how they do business, they outdo us do they bring in super starts no….but they are outbidding us outperforming us off and on the field atmo quite frankly.

    And it will continue to be that way as long as Pardwho is here…very simple

  • 253 toon kk // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    MA had great plans, probably still does of buying young players in on the cheap and selling them out for millions. But through him being so nieve to the sport, football doesn’t work like that. There’s more expenses than he could ever imagined.
    With it just being a business he’s cutting every corner he can to save money.

  • 254 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    TDS

    Don’t mistake logic with an educated guess. Had we not had the debt that he was unaware of, he could well have tried to flip us for a quick profit. As it stood, the debt was there and he was lumbered with the club.

    I’m not saying I believe that, but it is within the realms of possibility.

  • 255 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    This is a massive club its underperforming off and on the field. Its a sleeping giant full of potential, a potential that may never be realised.

    I really hope for one it does…. with Ashley in charge I really dont see it happening…to me he is modeling NUFC to emulate a current Arsenal type model a business model of sales, (players in Ashleys case not merchandise and marketing)

    its quite obvious really, we are close to end of the transfre window we have an injured loan player, and Jonas playing ahead of players. Last year we barely finished the league …Ashley never took charge its a no brainer we wont have success with him….in this economic climate, I cant seem to find an investor who will pay the fat man what he wants for us….

    its sad to say the least.

  • 256 stuart no9 // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    TDS—–i will say the same to yoy i have said to bills— where is your proof that tells me i am wrong?? also WHY did ash try to get the story banned and wanted to do the independent, and why didnt he?

  • 257 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    Ruddy @ 210 Sorry I missed your reply. The reason I ask is because those people calling for a boycott do not understand my reason for not supporting it. That reason is all do to with supporting my local team. I don’t know you but since you are the voice of the boycott, it is reasonable for me to ask who you are and whether you have any comprehension of what it is like to be a Geordie, go to SJP ever home game, and support your LOCAL team. It appears you don’t and so you’ll never understand. It’s like parenthood: you’ll never get what it’s about until you become a parent. Someone might tell me it’s time to kick my kid out. The first question I’d ask is “have you got kids?”

  • 258 Pokat // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    Well this is an interesting state of affairs. We have posters crossing the unspoken lines of ‘rival’ blogs to embroil themselves in the heat of controversy going on around our club.

    If you ever wanted any indication that the club is in a mess and that things are catastrophically out of control, then stick around people. The fun is only beginning. Goodnight.

  • 259 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    Blackley

    How incredibly arrogant and patronising of you. You and I have nothing more to discuss.

  • 260 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    Stuart

    Where the proof that says Father Christmas isn’t real? Please don’t spout an opinion without any evidence and then get annoyed when people don’t believe it.

  • 261 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    toon kk

    Arsenal under Wenger have spotted cheap, value for money talent for years and sold it too in order to re-invest. Making a turn on players has been part of their success. Arsenal are finding it difficult in the transfer market too and their fans are also pissed off. It’s not unique to NUFC.

    Cabaye is not worth £20M and I can’t see the Toon getting it. If we could get £15M plus I’d snap it up because he’s not worth that.

  • 262 roy cropper // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:41 PM

    aye blackey ah knaa – just winding you up about your bro.

    is he the reason why you don’t post on toonsy’s site anymore?

  • 263 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    Ruddy

    He could have. And if the fans hadn’t got on his back about KK, he could have continued to enjoy the club and funded our way into the Champion’s League. But speculation like that isn’t very helpful.

  • 264 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    TDS

    Hardly the fans fault that they were aggrieved about the way a cockney treated a club legend is it? He was never going to back Keegan, employing a little cockney rat like Dennis Wise ensured that.

    You’re right, speculation like that is not helpful, as it is downright ridiculous.

  • 265 stuart no9 // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    bills— i would like to see your proof that i am wrong on ashley.!

  • 266 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    Ruddy @ 257 I’ve got no problem with people not supporting their local team and supporting NUFC instead. Bring it on. But don’t tell me to boycott my local team and criticise me for not wanting to. you boycott your local team as much as you like. I’m not going to. I didn’t when we were shit and I’m not going to now when we we’re on the world stage. I can’t believe you’re taking the huff at someone’s counter view.

  • 267 SecretSausage // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    blackley and brownlie. now they were 2 class players hahaha. you talk sense.

    Ive almost given up trying to explain to people what seems to be going on. Its pointless really. But let me just say one more little thing.

    I want somebody to take over with sh!t loads of cash and buy the worlds best players like chelsea and man city. If we cant have that then maybe we can get somebody who is willing to maybe put £20mil a year in.

    But if there is nobody to take over and do that then I think Ashley is best. He doesnt tell us what is going on but surely it is pretty easy to see. I think it was last year they made £1mil profit. I dont think that they ever get a year where they make £25mil etc unless they were to sell players. Yet he hasnt sold any of our best players except Carroll and everybody seems to agree he had to do it. That 35m doesnt go very far when you buy a better team, even cheaper but the wages over 5 years etc more than take that money away. He is simply running it properly within constraints.

    If my wife bought a team and started ploughing loads of cash in I would be furious. Surely we shouldnt expect Ashley to do the same. He simply doesnt have enough money.

    He will buy players, dont worry. He bought a few in January. He bid for PEA. He got Remy who is only on loan because of the criminal stuff. He has stated before he does not like loaning players.

    Anyway, its pointless going on and on about it. But I certainly wont let a jumped up baby Irish kid try and tell me not to go to the match.

    Its my city and I like watching football. Thats why I go there.

  • 268 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Ruddy

    I’m not blaming the fans for that. The fact is, KK should never have been brought back. It would be like Shearer being brought in now as our new striker, the magic has gone sadly.

  • 269 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    Ruddy

    You’re calling Wisey a cockney rat, using cockney pejoratively. Leaving aside Wisey’s qualities, cockneys are the salt of the earth. Generally speaking, I’ve never met a nicer more down to earth people. You’ll probably dismiss that as a wind up.

  • 270 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    Blackley

    I’m not taking a huff, you’ve the right not to boycott, but you’ve no right to try and imply that I am less of a supporter than you simply because I am not from Newcastle. I am as much a Newcastle United supporter as you.

    Counter views makes for debate, arrogant and patronisation makes for arguments. Take a look at yourself buddy.

  • 271 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    He’s a rat, and he’s cockney. The rat was the insult, not the cockney, but feel free to try (and fail at) picking holes in my statements in an attempt to undermine me.

  • 272 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    come now kids, be kind…We are all frustrated and have our own views… Lets be friends and talk decent to one another :)

  • 273 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    Secret Sausage @ 256 Spot on fella. Couldn’t agree more.

    Seems poor Ruddy’s taking the huff anyway. It’s what you do when you’ve got no come back. Even Transfer Sage is now saying a boycott would be a last resort so it looks like he’s moved his view.

  • 274 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    Blackley @ 255,

    I agree with you entirely.

    I’ve supported NUFC and gone to games since 1961 and supported them through thin and thin.

    That’s why I have to laugh when fans say this regime is a disaster, joke and the club is dying on its feet and use that to drum up a boycott. 90% of fans who attend games wouldn’t even think of it, 100% of fans who don’t attend will of course support it :-)

    Ruddy,

    You are being touted by some on here as the voice of the boycott. You need to start being one hell of alot less touchy if you want to take that mantle on. You seem a canny lad at heart but some of your replies border on the hysterical. You need to calm down.

  • 275 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    Ruddy you could have made the exact same point without throwing in the cockney bit. Quite a lot of Geordies seem to dislike cockneys and I’ve never understood why. Believe me, anyone wanting to be an adopted Geordie doesn’t need to show they hate cockneys.

  • 276 Taking the Papiss // Aug 21, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    I haven’t really said much over last couple of weeks on here as I have just found it to depressing.

    To put my cards on the table – I said that Pardew deserved 10 games and that we would see where we are at the end of transfer window to judge Ashley. As disappointing as the result at Man City was – I am still in that boat. The first 15 minutes, I was actually quite encouraged, we kept ball, and Ben Arfa was a shining light however it was difficult after 2nd goal and taylor sending off and we fell apart….

    I do now have to have a bit of a rant with our fans – we are not the best fans in the country as people keep saying on here, in the stadium yes we are fantastic, but the pressure we put on the team is ridiculous. The people that want boycotting need to get their heads checked. Why do you like football? I love football because I can put my shirt on and head over to the ground (from London, every other week) and shout on the lads. I will not have anyone on here tell me I shouldn’t do that, because that is the reason I love football.

    We have got rid of a lot of deadwood and unfortunatley it has not been replaced with better but it was still the right thing to do, we need to add a few players but lets see where we stand on 2 September. We still have a better squad than we have had for a long time and i think it would be right to judge if Pardew has learnt any lessons in the next game rather than away at a club that had the best squad in the league and then spent 100m on quality and a fantastic new manager.

    Parting thought – hatred for MA does not help us at all. We want him to be happy because if that’s the case, he is more likely to back the club as he will enjoy it.

  • 277 stan anderson // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:00 PM

    You keep on going to matches as per usual and nothing will ever change.
    I have been in that place myself,could,nt stay away from the place.I guess you get wiser as you age.

  • 278 roy cropper // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:00 PM

    no reply.

    i’ll put you down for boycotting it then.

    goodnight.

  • 279 Tommyy // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:00 PM

    I’ve got to chip in here and say Blackley, why the blind defense of Ashley? All the proof we need to see he is a terrible owner is on the field, ultimately that is football and he is accountable for it.

  • 280 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:01 PM

    Cheers bills – son, you’ve been having the pleasure a bit longer than me.

  • 281 kevymartins // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    @Blackey I take it your a geordie? I like ruddy am from Ireland and believe me I have seen my fair bit of the Newcastle culture, night life etc and 1 thing they don’t do is run about saying i’m a superior fan than you because i’m a geordie , there quite welcoming actually.

  • 282 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    I am not the voice of the boycott, I am advocating its merits. I do not need to be told to be less touchy, nor do I need to be patronised. I am one man with an opinion, as is everyone else.

    I am by no means hysterical, nor do I need education on how to use adjectives, I will use whatever words I choose to (but thanks for the lesson Blackley, it’s been promptly ignored).

    If this is perceived as being hysterical, or taking the huff, then that says more about the person reading than the person writing.

  • 283 kevymartins // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    But it’s like everywhere you go, Your always going to get your arrogant little imbeciles.

  • 284 Tommyy // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Taking the Papiss – What more could Ashley want or expect from the fans after that 5th place? We were loving it and were at a stage of agreeing he may well be a good owner after all. All he had to do, if he had any interest in the fans or the football, was to ensure we strengthened and made a push. We would have worshipped him for it. No, Ashley does not care, and to think that if we believe he is happy then he’ll invest, is awfully naive, and on evidence simply not the case.

  • 285 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Tommyy See my reply @ 246. I’m highly critical of Mikey. However, I like to see a bit of balance. The history books show that owning NUFC is a hell of a tough job.

  • 286 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    Ruddy @ 268 You’re still missing the point. I can’t explain it any better than if you are a parent. Someone who isn’t one would not understand that you stick by your kids through thick and thin. If you’re not a parent, my analogy will be wasted.

  • 287 Taking the Papiss // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    Not saying he will invest if he is happy – just that it is in our interests that the owner enjoys owning our club.

    For me it all boils down to this – it is very easy to sit her and say spend some money!!! IT is his money I don’t care how rich you are £300m worth of his assets are tied up in our club – be reasonable people!

    Anyway don’t want a fight I just want to point that out. I am going to give the season time and not get obsessed over the one game we hve had so far. I just want others on here to try to take one step away and just think let’s see how it goes for a couple of weeks. We have had one game and the window is open…let’s see where we end up.

  • 288 Tommyy // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    Ruddy – It makes frustrating reading your skirmishes, I can’t say I’d welcome taking part in them.

  • 289 kevymartins // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    @Blackey People are here to talk football and not listen to you purposely compare your kids with nufc to boast what a good parent you are when in reality your kids are probably out your back locked in a dog pen.

  • 290 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    Ruddy

    I think we have found yet another poster who uses multiple aliases.

  • 291 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    Blackley

    A parent child analogy is not the same as a Geordie/Newcastle analogy

    If a parent saw their child being beaten up by an abusive boyfriend yes they would stick by their child, but they would encourage said child to leave the boyfriend as he was no good for them, so why would NUFC fans not want to see the club free from Ashley as he is a poison.

    I am not missing the point, you can beat the “I’m a Geordie, you’re not” drum, your message will still be the same, and it is short sighted, blinkered and generalising an entire city of people. There will be Geordies who will want to boycott, I am sure of that. It is a matter of mobilising and encouraging others.

    That, I’m afraid, is the point you’re missing.

  • 292 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    Tommyy

    It may be frustrating reading them, it’s more frustrating being in them, especially those that aren’t contrived by myself and are sought out by others.

    Beattie

    You may be right.

  • 293 Sir Braveheart // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    Are people still rabbiting on about boycotts?

    More likely to see Ashley put in a 50m bid for Rooney than fans organising a boycott. Take a straw poll of just this site and you’ll see less than 50% are willing to boycott thats on a vocal captive audience.. In reality the most you’ll get is 5000-7000 staying away for one match at most.

  • 294 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    Secret Sausage is another schizo

  • 295 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    Roy Cropper

    The reason I don’t post on Toonsy’s site anymore is that Big Dave dropped the hammer on me because I ended up disagreeing with his point of view so often. He couldn’t take my send ups, satire, and parody when he and his boss, Troy, continually contradicted himself. He can dish it out to others but can’t take it. Probably why he calls himself “Big”. It’s as if you’re debating in his front room, and no one dares to push him too far or he’ll show you the door.

    I don’t know how you have the time to follow two sites. There’s so many posts on this one, it’s a nightmare to keep up.

  • 296 Tommyy // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:18 PM

    Blackley – My apologies, must have missed that one. However you say he’s steadily building? I think more steadily upkeeping. We haven’t really built since the summer we also sold Nolan, Barton etc and on the grand scale of things, was it really building? It’s clear the 5th place was an anomaly, as great an achievement as it was.

    Also at what cost has this upkeep been maintained? A lot of enjoyment, identity and footballing culture aswell as heart to name a few.

  • 297 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:18 PM

    Welcome to the party too Braveheart.

    Ruddy honestly I think this is one or two people you’re talking to.

    I’ve given up arguing with him/them.

    Boring life to do such things.

  • 298 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Kevymartins what’s your contribution been? go back to sleep.

  • 299 kevymartins // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    @Blackey Go get your kids there daily spoon of rice.

  • 300 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    Tommyy @ 294 Aye, but it could be a hell of a lot worse. If he doesn’t see sense, drop Pardew and get in a top manager, it will be a lot worse. Mikey’s got to take ultimate responsibility if we go down. I couldn’t bear it if we do.

  • 301 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    I challenge all these people talking to Ruddy to post at the exact same moment.

  • 302 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    Beattie

    You’re probably right. He’s/They’re never going to pay attention to a Yorkshireman and an Irishman, after all we’re not Geordies…

  • 303 West_End_TooN // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    Well said bills son 272 dunno why people bang on about boycott for it will only hurt the team nobody else look were it got blackburn people! support the team not the regime!

  • 304 Tommyy // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    Taking the Papiss –

    I appreciate your point of course however I think on evidence of Ashley’s tenure it’s obvious that he either cannot or will not enjoy his ownership of Newcastle United, if he did he’d feel the need and desire to strive to improve.

    I’m an advocate of giving Pardew the next two home games, if things can’t improve during those then they never will. I also do not count transfer dealing as of now with much merit, I’m sure that had we not done so badly against City Pardew, Carr and Kinnear would not have jetted off to France. We need a real hunger to improve, not just a reactionary need to.

  • 305 kevymartins // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    @Beattie So do I …EVERYONE POST AT 23:30

  • 306 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    The reality of the Prem is that every team other than ManU, City and Chelsea are playing for 4th place.

    If Spurs finish 5th and don’t get into the Champs Lge their best players might want to be off just like Bale – I applaud Spurs but their buys are being funded by Bales sale and even then they have to finish 3rd to g’tee the Champs Lge proper.
    Ashley is aiming for top 10, which really means 5 at very best to 10th. Whether you call that unambitious or the reality of the Prem makes little difference.

    It’s where we and the likes of Everton and Villa, other so called big clubs, are in today’s game. Only an Amramovich or Maktoum will allow us to challenge the elite and a spendthrift glory chasing head in the clouds owner like that fella at QPR could proper ruin us.

    As others have said, beware what might follow if Ashley takes heed and leaves.

  • 307 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    Or is it Lancashire? My English geography is horrific haha

  • 308 kevymartins // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    Posted…

  • 309 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Bills

    We won’t finish 10th, not with the current squad and manager, not in a million years will we finish 10th.

    I would wager that Southampton, Swansea, Norwich, West Ham, Villa will all finish above us.

  • 310 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Ruddy, if your son committed a serious crime, some people would tell you to abandon him. I couldn’t do it. Unless you’re a parent, you wouldn’t understand the analogy. So, for someone like you who doesn’t support his local team through thick and thin, because you haven’t got a local team or whatever, you won’t understand why I wont support a boycott of my local team. Apologies to Kevy.

  • 311 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    Bills-son

    What a load of shit.

    Spoken like a man who knows nothing of the success of Dortmund.

  • 312 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Blackley

    You really are full of your own self importance. You remind me of someone I used to tussle with. I would wager you don’t have a child.

  • 313 Tommyy // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    Blackley – Could it? We’re structurally, a complete mess and the football is fast going the same way. I understand of course we could be a struggling Championship side by now but Ashley’s love of money would see that as a step too far.

    On Pardew, for me he’s awful and has lost the dressing room. If after the next two home games nothing has improved. He should be out. Having said that, who would Ashley realistically bring in as an improvement? He clearly doesn’t have the knowledge nor the contacts let alone the respect within the game to appoint a good manager. Not to mention even the desire. So what now? Where can we go after Pardew that won’t see us in the same predicament in 2 years time.

  • 314 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    Blackiley

    I call bull shit on that.

  • 315 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    Beattie25,

    And the THREE zillionaire clubs challenging Dortmund in the German league are?

    You obviously know jack sh1t about that eh.

  • 316 roy cropper // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    cheers for the reply b&b

    all i can say is his site is less interesting without you on it.

    i don’t nomally spent much time on these sites – on & off quickly – as a norm.

    – it’s just that i have taken time off to watch the test match this week & got a bit time to kill.

  • 317 jimmysmith // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    I don’t see Ashley as any great villain, just operating in his own omage. He really only seems willing to put profits back in rather than spend any more of his own reserves. At face value not unreasonable. And that extends to top quality acquisitions both on and off the pitch. The more profit we make the more is reinvested, I would assume. Problem is we are being outspent by our immediate rivals and seemingly losing ground, and if we do position our selves in the future to pay for players purely out of profits, Ashley, like Arsenal now, is unlikely to change his spots and start trading at the top end of the transfer market. just not in the mans nature to buy high for a low return on his investment.

  • 318 Tommyy // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    We could certainly challenge the top 4 with relatively little investment. Look at Arsenal for the last 10 years. It just requires the will and knowledge on how to achieve it.

    In my opinion we need the desire before we need the investment, it’s all about the want and not the need, and Ashley simply does not have it.

  • 319 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    Bills-son

    And the zillionare clubs challenging in the CL are?

    Doofus

  • 320 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    Ruddy,

    Oh dear, you accusing somebody of being full of their own self importance.

    You really do need to take a good look at yourself lad.

  • 321 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    Beattie,

    Eh. ….

    ManU, City and Chelsea.

    Was that too hard of a football question for you to work out.

  • 322 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    Bills

    That truce lasted long, despite the fact that I didn’t direct anything of worth your way, and really didn’t say anything overly antagonising. So your beef with me is what exactly? The fact that I’m having a discussion about your beloved Mike Ashley and you don’t like it?

    Get a grip will you for god sake, you can’t go one week saying I’m not a bad bloke and the next week say I’m a self important so and so and me having done nothing on you.

    Pick a side and stick to it.

  • 323 Mister Tuff // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    Having to spend the night locked in Blackleys’ rear garden dog pen accompanied by Bills is too good for Ashley.

  • 324 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    PSG, Barca, Real, Bayern…

  • 325 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    And Beattie,

    I said challenging in the PREM league.

    Try reading my posts before you engage your brain, seriously, you’ll find it often helps to get the reply right :-)

  • 326 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    Bills

    City have not got past the group stages in the CL.

  • 327 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    Roy Cropper

    Cheers for that. I enjoyed that site because they are a good bunch. After I was banned, I managed to get back on as Leslie Chow for a while. However, Big Dave got me going with his silly views and I couldn’t resist nibbling. He banned poor Leslie Chow. It was a scream being while it lasted though. Chow had “Big” and “Staves” in rope.

  • 328 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    Beattie

    Oh ho, he has a penchant for name changing. Red flag?

  • 329 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    Bills-son

    My god you’re a retard.

    My response was to ask how many zillionare clubs played in the Champions League, you know, the competition Dortmund got to the final to.

    They outclassed Man City and Ajax and Real Madrid despite only having 1 player over £4 million in the team.

    Yet:

    ”Only an Amramovich or Maktoum will allow us to challenge the elite…”

    Go to bed now.

  • 330 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    Mister tuff,

    Listening to your boringly pathetic Jail attempts at humour is just, well, cr@p.

  • 331 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    That would appear to be game, set and match.

  • 332 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    Ruddy

    I used to think arguing with people on here was like discussing football with a group that share a hive mentality as one big moron

    I think I was correct all along.

  • 333 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    Beattie,

    I’m surprised you can spell retard.

  • 334 roy cropper // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    nice one.

    toodaloo!

  • 335 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Beattie

    Diplomatic as always, but succinctly put. If there is a hive mentality then who is the Queen? Now there’s a loaded question if ever there was one.

  • 336 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    It’s always good to go to bed on a win.

    Don’t think i’ll be having this feeling again on Saturday night though.

    Night peeps

  • 337 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    Beattie – what’s your big strategy to replicate Dortmund? Boycott, Mikey sells to …?

  • 338 Mister Tuff // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    bills – did you not mean “reading”. I thought my gag was excellent in fact I’m still laughing at it now. What a misery gut.

  • 339 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    Blackley

    Just look at how Dortmund are run, their structure both on the field and off the field.

    If you can’t be convinced on the merits of how Dortmund are run then that’s your beef.

  • 340 Beattie25 // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    Ruddy

    It has to be Ian-Toon as the queen.

    Laying larva all over Tyneside and from them hatch all these blog aliases.

    Scary image

  • 341 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    Anyway, I’m off to bed folks. It’s been…interesting.

  • 342 bills-son // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    Beattie,

    You obviously can’t get it so I’ll spell it out eh.

    To get into the Champs Lge in the first place you have to finish in the top four. The Prem have three zillionaire clubs who are practically g’teed the top three spots and Arsenal who nearly always finish in the spare place.

    My pount was therefore; where are the three zillionaire clubs that Dortmund have to get padt in the Bundesliga – thicko.

    Ruddy,

    You called game, set and match a tad too early.

  • 343 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    Beattie

    Horrifically grotesque image. Can’t imagine an insignificant pseudo-intellectual like him being the Queen bee though, can you?

  • 344 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 21, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    Bills

    Nope, don’t think I did.

  • 345 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    Ruddy

    Can you answer @ 337? How does the Beattie, Ruddy, Sage consortium propose to do it? Especially now Sage has cooled on the boycott idea? I’m surprised you haven’t got the funding in place already, everything’s so simple. In fact, it’s so simple, every club should do it.

  • 346 Beattie25 // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    Blackley

    We don’t need a billionare. We just need someone with footballing knowledge who can fulfill the potential this club has.

    I guarantee people would be queuing up to buy the club.

    You can’t settle for Ashley just because you think he’s the only one who wants to be NUFC chariman/owner.

    Newcastle could conceivably become the first English club to follow the German model.

  • 347 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    Beattie @ 340 – Conspiracy theories and signs of paranoia going on there, fella. It’s what happens when you’re isolated and short of arguments

  • 348 Beattie25 // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    bills

    You don’t get it.

    It’s not the amount you send on players, it’s the football you put onto the pitch.

    Put Dortmund in this leaguimo, and they’d have been above City and Chelsea last year in my opinion.

    They have proven their qualities against the elite despite having a team that cost under £50 million.

  • 349 bills-son // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    Ruddy,

    Copying my pseudo-intellectual comment from last night eh.

    Thank you.

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

  • 350 Toon Tang // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:07 AM

    since i started out on this blog i have soaked up so much footy knowledge my gulliver has expanded to the size of a dwarfs and my forehead is pushed out. i now have to carry my forehead in a wheel barrow to st. james

  • 351 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    Beattie @ 346 It’s pie in the sky though. You saying money doesn’t count? I’d love it if your consortium can buy from Mikey and you have the next Brian Clough/ Peter Taylor partnership to step in for Pardew. We’ll get a Frank Clark and a Kenny Burns on frees and win the European Cup. Simples!

  • 352 ToonArfa // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    Santon-mbiwa-colo-dummet
    ——————-tiote—————–
    ———sissoko——-marvo——
    Barfa———-cisse———-gouff

    Taylor and guti injured is such a shame…. NOT!

    Pardumb out!

  • 353 ONLINE GUY // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    Ruddy , you really do get yourself into some scrapes mate, you then of course have to try and get yersel out of them , …so it seems you’r in one long debate/argument on a point you believe in ..Very commendable, but a long hard road then appears in front of you with argument ensuing, you then spend a full day or two trying to explain your initial point, plan, idea, to any opposition on this ere’ blog and I was just thinking mate ………

    Why don’t you get yersel a Woman ?

    BTW Ruddy I read that your coming to Town ? still on ?

    I will be first up to buy you a pint mate.

  • 354 Toon Tang // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    im not the only one judging by all the barrows flying down wallsend high street.

  • 355 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    Good night fellas. Enjoyed the debate.

    Toodaloo, Woy Cwopper.

  • 356 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    Good advice from OG, Ruddy. OG will buy you a pint and you can soak in a bit of Tyneside.

  • 357 Toon Tang // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:16 AM

    dont soak in too much though ruddy mate, you might end up like me.

  • 358 ONLINE GUY // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:17 AM

    B&B

    you still on here ?

  • 359 Toon-Prodigy // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Has any stories broke about why we were in France?

    Missed all todays news, if there has been any that is haha.

  • 360 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Remember Bills-son, it’s quite simple really:

    “It’s not the amount you spend on players, it’s the football you put onto the pitch.”

    I don’t know why more clubs haven’t thought of it.

    True Comedy Gold Classic that one, Beattie.

  • 361 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    OG – I am still on but I need to go to bed. Have you got a woman for me?

  • 362 jimmysmith // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    Well that’s probably pretty much it, Ash really does wanna be like Dortmund, he just hasn’t got the first f@cken idea how to go about it. And bright as he surely must be, he must now realize it takes a lot more than bean counting to get there, but bean counting is probably all he’s good for when it comes to running a football club.

  • 363 Beattie25 // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    Blackley

    You and your deluded buddies seem to think that the only way to be successful is to he owned by a billionaire owner who will buy all the best players in the world and give you a manager unparalleled to any other.

    You’re so wrong.

    Here’s a list of fan owned clubs that might tickle your fancy:

    Barcelona
    Real Madrid
    Bayern Munich
    Borussia Dortmund

    These clubs have it right. All decisions are made by voting club members (fans) and are bank rolled, not by the owner, but by other means.

    Now I’m not saying nufc could be the next Barca or Real but we could be the English Dortmund. Or the first of our own kind of club.

    Some people have small dreams, some have big aspirations.

  • 364 ONLINE GUY // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    You lot think you’v got problems ?

    One of my Daughters is going out with a Newcastle Coach and the other one is now going out with Sunderland’s new French center back … VB. The Newcastle Coach is and is long term . and kip’s here now and then….but my youngest daughter is going out with Sunderland’s central defender … and dinner on a sunday is never going to be the same …Help !

  • 365 ONLINE GUY // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    VR

  • 366 Beattie25 // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    Blackley

    Explain why Dortmund won 2 leauge titles, a domestic cup and a CL final with a team worth under £50 million.

    Think you’re cleverer than you are you sarcastic little prick.

  • 367 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:27 AM

    Beattie – I’m genuinely interested to hear your five year plan to get rid of Mikey and turn us into the next Barcelona. I visited Barcelona and the Nou Camp a couple of weeks ago and the fan base is massive. I’ll catch up in the morning.

  • 368 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    Beattie – Nottingham Forest came from the old second division with no money and won the European Cup and major domestic honours. They took on Frank Clark who NUFC had written off. Nobody has managed to replicate it. What is the secret, not of Forest’s or Dortmund’s success, but of why no other club has been able to replicate it?

  • 369 jimmysmith // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    Sad to say, but I don’t think Geordies by and large are savvy enough nor sufficiently motivated, nor have the self esteem to take on the challenge and demands of running their wonderful club successfully. You’d need to find a number of top quality, civic minded people to band together to get even the notion off the ground. But if that did somehow happen, I, among increasing numbers I imagine, would fall right in line behind them.

  • 370 Mister Tuff // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    Toon Tang -my God sorry to hear about your swollen forehead. I suppose a good point is that you don’t need to wear a cap to keep the sun out your eyes when going to the match. I’ve heard about these swollen skulls before I think they’re called billswollenskullitis.

  • 371 ONLINE GUY // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    Beattie

    Lets say there are 3 million Newcastle fans in this area and afar , we all become club owners /members …so far ?

    All club owners/members contribute £1 per week x£3million ?…players wages and transfer fund ..the rest comes from sponsors and TV money ..you do the maths ..we could own it ? and run it ? and make decisions with the Football coming first ..sounds perfect .

    It can be done . 3 million members wanted,
    Signup/apply @ dot com

  • 372 ONLINE GUY // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    Mister tuff

    Iv got problems ! Daughter is now courting a Sunderlan* player …He is a good guy, but we also have a Newcastle Academy coach going out with the eldest ! My Life is so Hilarious this last few years …come to think of it ….

  • 373 Mister Tuff // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    online -morning -how you doing. If the Sunderland guy gave you a complimentary ticket -would you go to Joker Park.

  • 374 ONLINE GUY // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    jimmysmith // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    Sad to say, but I don’t think Geordies by and large are savvy enough nor

    Jimmysmith ..never underestimate people . or
    generalise. Geordies are right on the point every time .. We don’t miss a trick ..we may not express our thoughts at all times ..only when it really matters ..thus freeing the world of gobshites.

  • 375 ONLINE GUY // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    Mistertuff

    Howdy mate …Valentine R is the man …I have had Sunderland tickets in the past and sorta vip tickets if you can really call them that ..I have gave them away every time ..I do have Mackems in the family but they are not mackem extrerimists HAHAHA ! laughing at me own jokes now tuff ..but I do have a ball with the Mackem s in the family…In fact one of the biggest MAckems in the family has started
    going to a Gay club in Newcastle and he’s dragging my nephew along ..Nowt wrong with that is there ? just n’ case the blog coppers attack me tuff…Quick little line to extricate meself there …Homophobic ? who me ?

  • 376 jimmysmith // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:58 AM

    What happened at those clubs was magical, but it would have never have been achieved without immense vision, social as well as business acumen, determination and sheer graft. Anyone can propose it and then get upset and defensive about it when questions are asked about whether they have what it takes.

  • 377 The Special One // Aug 22, 2013 at 1:04 AM

    I believe we should go after Ba. play him up front and use Cisse off the bench and use then in rotation.
    Why the hell are we sending Vuckic when we have no forwards? He should be our vital player in the early stages of the FA and Carling Cup.

  • 378 ONLINE GUY // Aug 22, 2013 at 1:07 AM

    Tuff .. me brother has been working on John Beresfords house for the last few months ..No transfer news and no gossip to report other than what’s out there right now .. even the players are in the dark if you ask them anything ..academy coach here gets to know nowt either ..or so he says . I have actually given up asking. dont know if thats me trying not to be a pain in the arse , or , me thinking he actually is telling the truth. ..got to be the latter .

  • 379 Mister Tuff // Aug 22, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    online – i’m sure I would go even with a freeby ticket. last time I went to the old Joker Park -many years ago -lucky to get back with my life. We were ambushed a couple of times going to the game and coming away.
    I remember the early seventies in the Toon when there was a couple of bars where gay folk went and the first gay clubs. Long time ago now. Attitudes have changed dramatically since then. Anyway off to the pit.

  • 380 Mister Tuff // Aug 22, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    had to return to correct an error in my previous post “I would not go……….”
    Phew could have been lynched if I hadn’t spotted that.

  • 381 ONLINE GUY // Aug 22, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    Tuff

  • 382 jimmysmith // Aug 22, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    Yes Tuff, a necessary correction, even though clearly a typo to everyone other than the biggest dunce, you’d never rest easy again, never mind tonight, with that on the record and not clarified.

  • 383 ONLINE GUY // Aug 22, 2013 at 1:28 AM

    Tuff if you are still reading…

    I had just nipped on to my Kenwood TS 930 transceiver when I though I would also refresh this blog page ..spotted your comments …and not being one to ignore anything or anyone I have to tell you that I would never ever set foot into the sol ….I did when it was being built for photographs of a band .. and that was a piss take .. I would never ever soil my heart and go to a game there ..I did in the 70’s at Joker Pk and we regularly took the fullwell ..you know how it was .. comatose coppers having had a kicking, and terrible scenes of violence ..

  • 384 2_goal_tino // Aug 22, 2013 at 4:18 AM

    @ 372 – I’m guessing Craig Gardner. Wink if i’m right!

  • 385 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 22, 2013 at 4:58 AM

    @Beattie – You’re right, we don’t need a billionaire, we just need someone who actually TRIES.

    Someone who simply attempts to improve the football team.

    The only reason Ashley spends money is to make sure we sustain our place in this league.

    17th 10 years in a row would be fine. It gets Sports Direct on screens from Alabama to Zimbabwe and that’s the point.

    Pardew is cheap and easy it seems. He was so desperate for the job when appointed that he likely would of agreed to almost anything at the time.

    I suppose games like Arsenal away (7-3) and Liverpool at home (0-6) would be good for him also, people tend to watch the highlights of games with lots of goals: more views = more advertising.

    I see no other reason for him to be in any way part of this club. It is evidently not for enjoyment.

  • 386 valle // Aug 22, 2013 at 5:42 AM

    Online Guy… Make sure to wear your Newcastle top when the daughter takes her boyfriend over for dinner.

  • 387 jazzyp // Aug 22, 2013 at 6:29 AM

    Online guy@377
    Im sorry but I don’t believe that for a minute regarding players not being in the loop.Are you telling me that the team will not not know what the situation is regarding cabs. Or sissokho will not know the situation re his friend Bafe.
    Players talk and players to an extent have the power to change things whether that be on the pitch or in the dressing room. It was quite obvious for all to see that there is player unrest within nufc Monday night, Cisse although isolated didn’t want to know and the less said about debuchy the better.
    Pardew I think does genuinely want the best for the club but is lacking in so many aspects of a top manager he cannot rise to that ambition. And under mashley has just become another yes man feeding drivel to the masses to keep his status as nufc manager in tact.

  • 388 MacToon // Aug 22, 2013 at 6:51 AM

    jimmysmith // Aug 22, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    Sad to say, but I don’t think Geordies by and large are savvy enough nor sufficiently motivated, nor have the self esteem to take on the challenge and demands of running their wonderful club successfully.

    ——————————————–

    Can’t believe I’m reading this, curious to know where you are from enlightened one?

  • 389 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 22, 2013 at 6:59 AM

    Very unlikely to happen, and I’m basing this on absolutely zip, other than Podolski considering leaving Arsenal, but 15million plus Podolski for Cabaye? Would you be happy with that? Centre forward that has regularly played on the left of a poacher for German (Klose).

  • 390 sparky55 // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:09 AM

    LILONGWE…He’s not going to arsenal…he’s back off to france

    Podolski would have been nice but then again we’re hardly going to be attractive to someone of his quality and ambition are we?

    After watching that game on monday night you’d either have to have a heart the size of a lion or a brain the size of a pea to come here right now. Good luck JFK…your almost impossible job just got totally fcuking impossible

  • 391 jimmysmith // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:10 AM

    I’m from Whitley Bay. I’ve supported the team without reservation since my first genuine awareness of NUFC since late 60’s and I have long thought the club should ideally be owned by the City or by its fans, but also recognize that fan ownership is a highly complicated, demanding exercise and have long held the view that the famous Geordie fans while without doubt tremendously loyal and deeply wedded to the club are also fatalistic and passive regarding the way the club is run and when push comes to shove have greater more pressing priorities in life than rescuing their football club from unscrupulous self serving successive owner ships.

  • 392 MacToon // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:13 AM

    Shocked at your views of your fellow Geordies then but hey, we’re all entitled to our opinions I suppose!

  • 393 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:16 AM

    Sparky,
    Have PSG bid yet? Not according to most reports in France… It is only the English press mentioning that we are talking to PSG from what I saw yesterday. Most French press have Arsenal as favourites to sign him, but that PSG may change their mind and step in.

    As for your final bit, well we may as well all go back to bed until May then in that case. Regardless f what people on here think, we can still attract good foreign players. Most English fans abroad that I know thought that we were just unlucky last season, it is only the appointment of JK that made everyone decide we were once again a crisis club. That view won’t be held by foreigners as they are unlikely to know who useless that Kinnear is. (Until they meet him)

  • 394 Santon03 // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    no need for billionaire? What you guys asked only Billionaires can make it happen, LOL.

    Not a billionaire, when the price for the club itself is close to 1/2 a billion, running the club and new players (the kind of players that you guys want) about 100 to 200 million.

    Btw what you read in forbes magazine are wrong, they don’t billions of dollars in cash, it is their assets and market value of their business. They probably have in cash about 10%-20%.
    The real rich guys are mostly not in forbes magazine lists, only oil tycoons have huge amount of cash.

  • 395 sparky55 // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:20 AM

    Mactoon…Jimmy is a good contributor to this blog and although he may not have delivered that message as well as he could have, the core of the message is right…there won’t be any mass protests, everyone who has paid for their season tickets will go to the match and we havent got a cat in hell’s chance of doing anything that will even make Ashley blink never mind stand up and take any notice.

  • 396 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:21 AM

    I think if we are talking about fan ownership, Beattie would have been best to leave out Barca and Real Madrid. Both institutions are heavily indebted to the Spanish and Catalan states, to an extent that they are witholding financial details from FIFA regarding this. Obviously, FIFA being spineless will probably drop this shortly but they are still pressing for a change in structure of the clubs to meet regulations.

  • 397 Santon03 // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:21 AM

    they don’t have billions of dollars in cash*

  • 398 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:25 AM

    There certainly won’t be significant boycotts. While it would be an admirable stance for people who have bought season tickets to not go to matches the fact of the matter is that many ST holders will have had to save most of last year to cover this cost, particularly during this current economic climate. To then not go would be crazy to them.

    That is without even considering having to put up with the wife each time you should be there complaining at what the money COULD have been spent on! :-)

  • 399 jimmysmith // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:26 AM

    My perspective is really not that shocking in consideration of the long history of the club, its consistent record of underachievement in the modern era and its relationship with its fans, and I would delighted if things were different, but as far as I have seen and can tell, they aren’t.
    Doesn’t mean I don’t love the Toon or the region, or its people, I do.

  • 400 sparky55 // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:27 AM

    Lilongwe…you can tell by how much we’re paying for players that we can’t attract or don’t want to pay for the better players that are available.

    If you honestly think that at this moment in time we are able to match top players ambitions then especially after monday night it’s time to take off those rose tinted glasses.

    we’re not buying the finished articles any more…we’re buying good prospects so we can sell them at a profit…that’s not a club showing ambition…it’s a club looking to self finance by treading water

  • 401 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    Sparky,
    Nothing in my post said anything about matching ambitions. If you read it it talks about the perceptions of players from abroad. Of course we are ABLE to, whether we are willing to is also fairly obvious.

    We don’t need to pay top dollar for players coming from foreign leagues. Unless they are already playing regular Champions league, in which case they wouldn’t want to step down, then average Prem wages combined with tax situations in certain countries means we can pay substantially more than there current salary. Even with our tight fisted approach.

    Again, it comes down to a willingness, and most are agreed that there is zero willingness.

    I’m still trying to work out how your post responds to any of the things I said mind! :-)

  • 402 Pokat // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:39 AM

    @390 – I think your last sentence applies to anyone, not just Geordies mate. Of course there are more pressing priorities in life than a beleaguered hometown football club. But you seem to hint that when push comes to shove we would roll over and let the club sink without trace. I think that this is where Geordies differ from your view, and most of the football fan world. If Ashley managed to send this club into bankruptcy and tumbling down the divisions (Rangers, anyone?) I think we would see a club robustly supported and a suitable ownership for restoration found. Even the shame of being ridiculed by the mackems would drive that forward! I dont think we would go the way of Coventry, Portsmouth et al. Anyway its moot, Ashley wont see a loss on NUFC because it would be personally damaging. Our biggest fear is if he purposely found buyers who WOULD cack things up, like Blackburns Chicken Boys.

    Anyway, boycotts are passive things, people vote with their feet when the entertainment sucks. I choose a personal stance, No Wonga shirt, no drinks, no pies, and due to financial constraints less games. But not NO games, otherwise WE will contribute to the demise of the team.

  • 403 sparky55 // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM

    lilongwe…apologies then…put it down to the fact I’m always a grumpy old tw@t this early in the morning.

    I’ll go get a cup of earl grey and have a word with mesel in the corner! :-)

  • 404 Sir Braveheart // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:43 AM

    NUST tried to organise fans into a consortium to buy the club. Got pretty far along too, but the reality is you’d need around 200m just to buy the club and you cant generate that through the fans.

    NUST were organised, well publicised and backed by prominent businessmen and politicians in the north east. And it failed. They sent out a rallying call asking for fans to put up £1000 to buy the club and not enough by far stepped forward.

    Thats the reality we face. The fans simply arent enough.

    I want Ashley gone, but the truth is he’ll only go on his terms, not ours and a protest or an open letter he’ll just laugh off. We’re not dealing with a democracy here, its a dictatorship.

  • 405 roe997 // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:45 AM

    The owner of anzi is after a prem club.

  • 406 Santon03 // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:47 AM

    @403

    200 mil? where did you get that figure?

  • 407 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    Sparky,
    No apologies necessary. Go grab a cuppa bonny lad!

    Braveheart,
    Whether the fans are or aren’t enough is a moot point. On top of then paying to go to games, how many of us can just splash £1000? Tough economic times at the minute make that a very difficult proposition. Particularly now that the purchase price will most likely be closer to double that.

  • 408 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:49 AM

    Sparky,
    L’Equipe are now reporting PSG have bid more than Arsenal.

  • 409 jimmysmith // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:49 AM

    Undoubtedly so, but how would Liverpool and Man U fans react if their famous grounds were re named “Sports Direct Arena” or had “WONGA” emblazoned across their iconic jerseys for example, and how many clubs the like of Dortmund spring from the well of fan discontent.

  • 410 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    Roe,
    The owner of Anzhi who has just decided to sell all the team as he didn’t want to be putting his money in anymore???

  • 411 geordie157 // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    Dortmund is actually a really good club to model ourselves on, great structure, great youth system, excellent fan base, loyal fans, to list just a few things. Like us they have had bad times including financially. It would be interesting to see if us or any English club could follow what they have done

  • 412 Santon03 // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    don’t tell me you get 200mil figure is from estimated market value. Market value meas sh!t in this business, this is not commodity business. It’s either pay up or shut up, it’s the price set by owner (MA).
    Example: AC market value is not 35mil, either Liverpool want to pay or not at the price Ashley set.
    They can’t tell Ashley : “Hey, that’s not what AC estimated market value worth”

  • 413 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    Jimmysmith
    Fan ownership – NO CHANCE – take this website contributors running the club – be up shit creek first week.
    Fans arguing calling people names if they disagree with their opinions.

  • 414 stan anderson // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:56 AM

    Would it not be nicer to have a league without your billionaire owners to buy the trophies.
    Just imagine the only team you could field was a team of local players,playing against a team of the unwashed or the smoggies,the pride of beating them and bragging rights.
    Only dreaming right.

  • 415 cyprus // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    @413,
    Exactly!
    Will say nothing more on this.

  • 416 Schwefelberg // Aug 22, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    I want Kinnear’s phone number. I’ll give him a rant. If he has Ashley’s ear I want to be message boy for the disillusioned fans.

  • 417 Santon03 // Aug 22, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    Ashley won’t sell unless someone came up with offer 500-600mil

  • 418 Schwefelberg // Aug 22, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Jimmy I have thought a lot about that. If this was happening to a London club or Liverpool the media would make kick up a fuss and train fire on Ashley almost every day.

    As it happens I think they are all pleased about the endless punches in the throat we get.

  • 419 Slank // Aug 22, 2013 at 8:13 AM

    Pokat @ 402

    I agree with you that it is highly unlikely that the club will be financially unstable under Ashley. I also agree that the next owner may not be so prudent as Ashley.

    However, spending lots of money (whether it’s the new owners own money or that leveraged through a bank against the assets of the club) it doesn’t guarantee trophies.

    Of course there is always the scenario that Ashley could sell the club for a song to a new owner who hasn’t got sufficient money to keep it in the Premiership or at worst afloat. I believe that scenarios similar to this has happened elsewhere eg Blackburn, Portsmouth, Glasgow Rangers, Hearts, Coventry.

  • 420 Sir Braveheart // Aug 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM

    £200m was the price reportedly quoted by Ashley at the time he was trying to sell.




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