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Newcastle’s Ambitions Similar To Manchester Clubs – Really?

10:35 am, Friday, August 23rd, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 111 Comments

Alan Pardew has made some comments in the local papers today, and one of the things he says is very difficult to prove – almost impossible to prove – given what we’ve seen in this summer’s transfer window so far.

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Alan Pardew – we have same ambitions as the two Manchester clubs

And that is that Newcastle’s ambitions match those of the two Manchester clubs, although Alan is again very quick to point out we cannot compete with them financially.

Now let’s see what can we say about that – let’s ponder the statement for a moment.

We’ll be polite and say that statement from Alan Pardew is simply simply not accurate – and that conclusion is based on actions Newcastle have taken over the last couple of yeas.

What’s those sayings again about actions speak louder than words – and talk is cheap?

Last season we messed around trying to get Mathieu Debuchy through the door, and the same thing is happening this season with Bafe Gomis, although that doesn’t seem to be Newcastle’s fault, this time around.

And reports that Newcastle have been given £60M from the new TV deal are simply not accurate – that money is dished out next May and it’s based on league position, how many times each club have been on TV, and other things.

But it is still true nevertheless, that PL clubs are spending big money this summer,  knowing they will get that pay-out at the end of the season.

This is what Alan Pardew said when told  the ambitions of the club just don’t seem to be there these days:

“We can’t compete with Manchester United or Man City, they are stratosphere clubs for us.” “Spurs have got themselves in a position where they could possibly compete and it’s taken about five or six years.”

“But we are not there yet.” “Neither are Arsenal or Liverpool.” “Man United and Man City are light years ahead of us in terms of finance.” “Their ambition is no more than us.” “But they do have a financial position over us.”

“I think in some ways the Remy deal has been a bit unfair.” “He’s injured. He would have given us a different reflection.” “I don’t care how you weigh it up, it’s a great deal, for any club to get Remy on the financial deal we did.”

Alan Pardew can say those words, but they are simply not backed up by the club’s actions.

If Newcastle were really ambitious we would have brought in two top strikers, and a young up-and-coming striker, another goalkeeper to make it three experienced goalkeepers at the club, and another top center-back to shore up what seems to be a perennial weakness in the defense.

Instead, we have signed one top striker on loan, and there’s only 11 days left in the transfer window – so we haven’t shown much ambition at all, and for  lot of the time we’ve looked incompetent in this summer’s transfer window.

That’s the truth, the sad truth. :(

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111 responses so far ↓

  • 1 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    I don`t normally post much anymore because frankly the blog is full of whinging brats but Rotonda just for you. I know you love to rewrite history and you have done that twice this morning,. The Mansoors never made a bid for Newcastle. Post the proof if you think I am wrong . The other whopper was that we and Spurs were on the same l,evel 2 years ago,
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9255617/Revealed-the-financial-health-of-the-Premier-League-laid-bare.html

    If you use the filter button for finance you will seeSpurs were not a kick in the arse off twice our income.

  • 2 Our Toon // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    REPOST

    Tynesidetommo

    Look at Pardew’s record at all clubs rather than a one off flash in the 5th finish….which I have to say was impressive but same squad finished where the following season?

    I agree Guiterriez works hard for the team and in a team we need grafters, but as a winger he needs to offer more going forward, could be the managers request that he plays as a defensive winger though!! You are spot on though with the comment of you don’t become a bad manager by finishing 5th hence why he has only achieved this once in his career. Form is temporary (5th) being awful at your job is permanent (16th)

  • 3 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    Good post, Our Toon. Right on.

  • 4 Toon1978 // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    Well you bunch of brats according to some :! Pardew is speaking utter garbage. On one hand he says we are just as ambitious as the Manchester clubs but on the other hand is saying we can’t compete…EHHHHHHHH?????

  • 5 Wiz // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    What Pardew means is that we might be in the gutter, but our eyes are fixed on the stars.

  • 6 Ben3arfa // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    Pardew is like a dictator’s information minister , full of bull crap that no one buys.

    He is such a moron

  • 7 lesh // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Ambition? Not a chance

    We’re showing as much ambition as a cow pat under the current ownership.

    I honestly can’t understand what motivates Ashley’s ownership of Newcastle United when he seems content to risk £100s of millions by effectively appointing Kinnear to run the football business. Christ, I’m sure that Age Concern wouldn’t even take him as a volunteer in any capacity!

  • 8 AusMagpie // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    So f#cking over this clown. Just get the f#ck out of our club. I’ll find it hard to believe if there is a Newcastle fan who is even remotely happy with our situation.

  • 9 lesh // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    Wiz @5

    Lying in the gutter plastered and gazing helplessly at the stars!

  • 10 stu mel // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    I might have read wrong but did someone say it would be good for the club to have cabs, benched if he is to stay as he would get injuries, that would benefit the club and keep his hi value up. What are you talking about that is nonsense all that would happen is his figtue would be all over the place. His football brain blunted. But most of all his price will drop.ash probs knows this looking at the fact he didn’t seem to hold any stock in the fact we need fringe player.

  • 11 Munster Mag // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Ambitious ….stop laughing down the back. Rotunda, at least you are big enough to admit that in defending Ashley you took the wrong view. We all have passionate feelings, and I respect the opinion of Billson greatly. But the number of bad things this man has done far outweigh the positives. Just to dream…..wealthy new owners, a recognised, talented manager, and Keegan as DOF, selling our club around europe. Back to reality now, sorry….

  • 12 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Tequila

    Nice to hear from you ( twice in fact) just to make your point . At 52 I’m probably a bit old to be a brat but thanks any way.

    I get it, you accept mediocrity or may be even thrive on it more to the point. Other’s don’t. Each to their own I guess.

    Seriously you’re not really disputing that Spurs are not in a much more desirable position than we currently find ourselves. You’re not really going to do that are you Teqs old boy?

    Look at the headline and tell me which is Pardew : a liar or arrogantly deluded. No prizes though. I await your next insult.

  • 13 Toon1978 // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Rotonda heights (12)

    Well said.

  • 14 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    So we can compete with city and united in ambition but our managerisays ”thank god we haven’t got europe again”…….er..ok!!!!

  • 15 stu mel // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    To be fair people are forgetting they are different word and have different meanings. Eg is Ian holloways as ambitious as abv I think they are. Do I think at the moment they can compete on an even playing field answer no. What he say make sense.

  • 16 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Munster

    You had me living the dream there for a glorious minute!!

  • 17 Krul To Be Kind // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    Love the new banner Ed!!!

  • 18 Ben3arfa // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    Alan Pardew makes signing a player out to be something similar to breaking out of a maximum security jail.

    He probbaly is right when you look at the abilities of the people around him (Ashley/Kinnear/Charneley).

    SCUM SCUM SCUM

  • 19 fray bentos // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    @Rotonda 12

    haha blatantly ignore the points made by Tequila and make your own new one

  • 20 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Ausmagpie

    There is still one. His name is Tequila

  • 21 Toon1978 // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    At this rate i think we will be very lucky to keep Cabaye and see one more signing. Here’s to hoping i am completely wrong lol. I admire Mr Ashley for pulling the club from the depths of oblivion lol but other then that, he fails miserably.

  • 22 Bearsize // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    Pardew talks poo!

  • 23 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    Rotonda I never said I was happy with the situation. What is there to be happy about. Still no reason to make stuff up to suit your own world view. Still waiting for the Mansoor link

  • 24 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    Ausmagpie

    hold that thought, there’s Fray as well, or is there…..!!!

  • 25 foggonridiculous // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    To keep myself positive I am picturing the three stooges – MA, AP and JfK as Punch and Judy characters…

    MA is obviously Punch ferociously wielding the baseball bat…

    AP is Judy …

    …..though I have had to substitute:

    “Where’s my new players….?” for

    “Where are my sausages…?”

  • 26 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Tequiklla

    Totally unprovable, just what I heard from a few different sources

  • 27 theartfuldodger // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Problem with giving Pardew a lot more time is that negativity is being transferred to players. Some people saying our squad is overrated. After some time we will be telling debuchy sissoko theyr not fit for Top flight football. That is very demoralizing with no easy way back.Not a good thing to deal with for a new manager either.

    Pardew knew with Llambias that he would be judged on points and not performance. Even park the bus would do.Perhaps JFK can have a wholesome view.

    Whatever you do, just stop this passing the the buck around game between kinnear pardew and players.

  • 28 foggonridiculous // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    …oh and JfK is the Crocodile…. :-)

  • 29 curmon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Pardew is a complete and utter BULL****TER.

    Same ambition as Mancs, I think Not

    Cabaye World Class, since when.

    When we get beaten by West Ham, he will be grateful that his excuses have lined up nicely, not his fault, no Taylor, No Guti, cabaye unhinged, how can we win we have been so badly afflicted by Lady Luck. In short he is a complete tosser.

  • 30 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Rotonda, so basically what you heard down the pub. With impeccable sources like that it must be true.

  • 31 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Teqqy

    If you want to defend the current situation and all it stand for that’s undeniably your call, but why insult others who want a different way?

    If all was rosy in the garden why is there such an all embracing negative buzz around the place?

  • 32 Ibizatoon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Rotonda… I think his point on Spurs were not that they haven’t kicked on well or haven’t left us in their dust, but that they already were 2 years ago and already had approximately double our income.

    It’s not about excusing our club and it’s actions, nor accepting them, just pointing out that “2 years ago we are on a level with spurs or at least not too far away.” isn’t exactly accurate.

  • 33 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Teqqy

    I actually read it on here a few times from a few different people but admittedly it didn’t come from that bastion of the truth – your good self.

  • 34 bills-son // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    On Pardew,

    Why do you think he is the 2nd longest serving manager in the Prem after Wenger??

    BECAUSE MOST MANAGER’S FAIL – THAT’S WHY.

    Even Manchester City and Chelsea with all their millions have seen fit to change their managers umpteen times in the last few years.

    Take Ferguson and Wenger out of it and most Prem clubs change their manager more regularly than some fans change their kecks. Where does it get them – mostly, nowhere further forward at all.

    The gulf between clubs regularly playing in the Champs Lge – ManU, City, Chelsea, Arsenal is so huge that even Spurs – the most likely to break into that group – struggle to sign a player when one of those four come in – aka Willian with Chelsea.

    If Pardew leaves who comes in? It won’t be a Mourinho, Pellegrini (who might bomb anyway) or Ancellotti it will be a Poyet or some other ‘up and coming’ manager who the track record tells us will last less than two seasons before they are sacked – and the merry go round starts again.

    Changing managers nearly always means changing players, coaches and backroom staff at huge expense – for a short term blast of a ‘new exciting era’ that is anything but.

    I’m not saying don’t change Pardew, but finding a new manager who will achieve real results and success and make us into genuine regular top six contenders is another thing altogether.

    SBR was the last one – and Shepherd sacked him.

  • 35 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Rotonda, I will explain it to you again. I am in no way shape or form happy with what has happened this Summer. Please find me a post where it says I am.JFK set the tone and it has like been watching a slow motion car wreck all Summer.
    My issue is that there is plenty to criticise without making up fairy stories like we were on a level with Spurs 2 years ago when they had twice our income and this utter BS story about the Mansoors wanting to but us but ASH wanted 800 mill.

  • 36 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Teqqy

    There you go, Ibiza made the point without any animosity or insults whatsoever. A lesson to be learnt there my friend.

    Ibiza

    back on that fence. Only joking mate.

  • 37 fray bentos // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    @Rotonda 33

    It really is a good idea to take what you read on here with a pinch of salt

  • 38 geordiemark // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    think st nicks is calling for pardew, come on mr pardew a nice white coat is wating for you its called a straight jacket and look we have multi coloured tablets you can take as well they will put you on different planets but not the planet your already on which isnt this one by what he says and does ………………. nut case

  • 39 JaxtheMag // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    pardews 100th game tomorrow , hope its last. you would think the would be breaking there necks to make a signing today to give us alift. lol

  • 40 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    bills son

    on the back of one good season pardew got a ridiculous contract that ash is unwilling to buy him out of. No need for conspiracy theories on that one.

  • 41 nufc_eire // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1746541-6-strikers-newcastle-united-should-target

    Would be happy with any of these at this stage – but jese rodriguez and daimao would be unbelievable!!

  • 42 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    When I said close or not far away to spurs I meant in terms of league position and where we finished back then not in financial terms

  • 43 Ibizatoon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    Rotonda…Whilst I am off, I could point out that he didn’t actually call you a brat, it may have hinted towards it, but it could also have simply meant I have been avoiding the blog due to whinging brats…of which, there are some :)

    As for my fence, I’m still keeping it nearby, but am really not impressed with what I called a make or break window for Ashley as far as I was concerned.

    I know you feel Pardew needs to go now, but I just don’t understand what it is you except to actually follow?

    Pardew is a problem with regards to matching our ambitions, but he is not the problem imo, so shouldn’t we focus our attention elsewhere or we’ll be back here in another year, two…or eight.

  • 44 theartfuldodger // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    Pardew means we will replace our wingers only with players like Lennon or Nani (just my examples) even if it means waiting for 3 years till contract runs out. But we will not settle for an upgrade like Sinclair.

  • 45 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    fray

    so why feel the need to comment on every post I make then ??

  • 46 Krul To Be Kind // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    There is not even a new recent link to players who could be part of this elusive ‘B’ list, quite infuriating to say the least.

    I’m getting as frustrated as a midget with a yo-yo!

  • 47 fray bentos // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    @Rotonda

    Haway man, you do the same to mine and I only post about 5 times a month

  • 48 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Ibiza

    Short term Poyet or similar

    Someone needs to lift the gloom as these players weren’t playing for Pardew last season and I see no change in pre-season or the city game to suggest that will change any time soon.

  • 49 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Rotonda, thanks for the clarification, but would you not accept that the financial realities are that we are still small beer compared to the top 6. Clearly there should be money to play with and it will be inexcusable not to strengthen this Summer, especially after everyone accepted it was a major failing last year. But if you are waiting for a Surs type spending spree it is unrealistic in the extreme.

  • 50 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    and there he is again

  • 51 Ibizatoon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Rotonda…Fair enough, but let’s not forget how lucky we were that season….

    I think we’ve entered a new dawn of fan feeling at the toon. It’s not as simple now as not wanting Pardew fired means you like him or think he’s the one to take us forward.

    I think everyone agrees that summer after the 5ht placed finish was the perfect time to push on and try to reduce that gap with Spurs further, but we didn’t. Imo, that started from the top, not Pardew. After that, it was left to him to make it work, which maybe with a better manager could / should have worked better, but it was Ashleys mistake that got this started. Alan is just the mouthpiece, which yes is frustrating at times, but do you really think the next guy will be under the same instruction, but maybe with a little more flair to the playing side? Does that really make everything ok?

  • 52 JackButler // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    Private Brat reporting for duty!!!

  • 53 geordiemark // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Ibizatoon

    the only cure is for ashley to sell up and take his merry men with him, pardew really should go hes got no say at the club at all maybe picks the players but thats about it really, his coaching skills well its obvious to see

  • 54 wolfshead@toon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    ibiza

    true ba could see there was no ambition to push on so he wanted more cash or he was off when he did leave things went from bad to worse has ashley learnt anything from that? nope

  • 55 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Good morning Ibiza.
    Rotonda, for what it`s worth. I would not include you in the brat category. That was the reason I rarely post. Apols if you got that impression.

  • 56 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    tequila

    No I don’t expect a spurs type spending frenzy. I may be the one person who is actually quite happy about our squad especially following on the the SIX players in Jan and now Remy replacing Ba.

    My beef is purely with an out of his depth manager who is failing to get the most out of the current squad and motivate them adequately as well as continuing to employ archaic tactics.

    That plus the joke of a D.O.F and the tackiest of sponsors. However, this is all a by-product of Ashley
    and we can’t get away from that fact.

  • 57 roy cropper // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    wolfsheed@toon

    yahoo pool ?

    not me mate.

  • 58 Munster Mag // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    In fairness, I think many fans would have said we were close – ish to Spurs two years ago. After all, we got our glorious fifth, and some of the more short sighted fans have been allowing Pardew tro dine out on that ever since, despite his mediocrity. But to go on defending Ashley just because he tightened up our finances ( forced by relegation anyway ) and because we secured one or two decent players ( Cabaye is beginning to stand out as the only really good buy …who says Carr is a genius any more ? ) is crazy. His ludicrous decision making and paranoia that make his surround himself with cronies, even one as out of touch as Kinnear, is beyond a joke. Yes, moderate fans like me dont ask much from Ashley, except reasonable investment to match West Ham etc. As ever, I will be fast to praise him if he gets in two players. Maybe Fats needs to take the reigns as he apparently did in January??

  • 59 Ibizatoon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Where? Behind me? We’re not still on the Punch and Judy sketch are we? :)

    Rotonda…That’s purely thinking about playing style though, right? I don’t know what went down at Brighton, so perhaps shouldn’t presume, but I’m guessing he may struggle to work with Ashley. Not because of the budget etc, but because the board constantly leave Pardew looking like the fool and hardly ever really back his corner. Not many people could take that and I really do wonder who the actual replacement would be.

    I’m all for a better style of football at the club, but just feel it would be short lived and I am more interested in the root problem now. That’s not to say Ashley needs to leave or even throw silly money at the club, just run us as we’ve seen he can and be more forward thinking…there is a word for it, but haven’t seen it mentioned in a while…ambit…oh I can’t remember :)

  • 60 Indian Magpie // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Spurs type spending?

    Norwich, Cardiff, Southampton and even Swansea have broken transfer records.

    our transfer record was 17 years ago.

    And we are basically touting our best players around.

  • 61 fray bentos // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    @Rotonda

    Your a sad little man or should is say old

    Using childish little devices to reply to posts rather than actually trying to back up your argument when your 52!

    When I came back on here the other for the first time since last season, I wrote 2 posts both unrelated to yourself you decided to write replies to both so your little childish comments don’t make much sense

    Right im going to get off here and stop procrastinating by talking to 52 going on 16 year olds

  • 62 corkypants85 // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    lets just face it we aint signing anyone i have given up all hope after the jan transfer window i thought we were in for a treat ashley was just after the t.v money and extra revenue another season in the prem would bring!!!! I look at every other prem team, all have done some good business in this day and age IF YOU STAND STILL YOU GO BACKWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 63 Mister Tuff // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Ref the Mansoor story. It was reported that the Mansoors made an enquiry as to the possiblity of purchasing the Toon and that Dick Dastardly quoted them £800 million. needless to say the story ended there. No quotes or proof as to the accuracy of the story. But shortly afterwards they bought City.
    Another piece of information that we will never know if true or false -exactly the same as will we ever know if Cabaye refused to play or whether El Gourdo instructed his lap dog Percy not to play him.

  • 64 Munster Mag // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Just for the record, I was quite a Pardew loyalist and still hace respect for parts of his stewardship. He’s a n excellent man manager at times, and a smooth dude when he needs to be . He also plays politics well, as he has to.

  • 65 Wandering Geordie // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    What’s the news on us signing Naki Wells of Bradford Bermudan striker 22 year old? in exchange for Vukic?……One for the future Lol not

  • 66 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    Rotonda. we have common ground on the Wonga issue. I hate the fact we are associated with such a company.
    I also agree on MA up to a point. He has done some good things but The Wonga deal tells me Newcastle have become a toxic brand if that is the best they can manage and MA has to take a lot of the blame for the constant bad news stories associated with Newcastle. This also means we are unlikely to really maximise our off field income in the way the top 6 can. The only way to break that cycle is to win something.
    I do get that you hate Pardew but He gets a pretty poor hand to play with a lot of the time.

  • 67 stu mel // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    What wrong with sitting on the fence you have a clear view up there

  • 68 ToonDownSouth // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Rotonda

    That’s what you WANT – do you expect that to happen though?

  • 69 stu mel // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    @ erie
    To be fair I at a time might have read such article of 5 player Newcastle should sign, but its just salt in the wound when you can’t even see a strike coming into the club.

  • 70 Geordie_In_theShot // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Pardew riminds me of Chemical Ali, remember the Iraqi saying there are no Americans in Baghdad as their tanks roll past him lol. Just full of **it

  • 71 Our Toon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    Bills-son

    Reason why Pardew is the 2nd longest serving manager in the league and why others have been sacked, quite simple really….We have no ambition, other managers get the sack because the clubs they manage have ambition, they want to achieve things. We on the other hand are happy at being medicore at best.

    Look at Poyet’s record my friend, at Leeds he was the brains behind the performances, hence when he left they struggled, Brighton he got the sack because he wanted funds for more players and the board refused, because he was so vocal they suspended him and sacked him. We could do with someone who would fight for the club rather than being a yes man.

  • 72 Belfast // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    I remember that story mister tiff.

    We where their first choice of clubs they wanted to buy if I remember rightly. Ashley tried to mug them off and they went and bought city for a much lower price.

    Oh how things could of been different lol

  • 73 Our Toon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Financially we would have been on par with Spurs, however the figures that people quote from 2 years ago are figures we published whilst in championship as its completed 1 year in arrears!! Just thought i’d point that out

  • 74 DevonToon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/881259-sheikh-mansour-and-manchester-city-a-match-made-in-heaven

  • 75 Sav // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    He says elsewhere that the club comes first. But not for Mashley. It is the balance sheet and potential profit in the short term. ManCuty may be owned by a self-indulgent gulf state and ManU be a global corporation, but they are both interested in success on the pitch being the way to achieve their aims. Mashley does not see it that way. That is the difference.

  • 76 Thump // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    @Tequila: Were the names of the Arab’s who wanted to bid for the club ever actually released? I remember Ashley was too busy in Barbados (or similar) to come and listen to their offer.

  • 77 Ibizatoon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Tequila..Hello there, been a while, welcome back. Not sure how much you’ve been reading, but there has been some decent debate the past few days. Hope all is well.

    Wolfshead…I’m actually not so sure those were Ba’s reasons for wanting to go.

    I think it started after Cisse arrived and he got pushed out wide. It worked well for the team, so is it personal or team ambition he really wanted? It was already on the cards then, before the window had gotten under way imo.

    He did well for us, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think Ashleys ambition was Ba’s issue. Nor do I really believe much of it was down to Pardews methods, which got some coverage at the time. Yes, Ba was played out of position, but it worked and the team did well. When he did finally switch it back, it wasn’t so effective.

    Mark…I am perhaps a little bit naive and live in the hope with the proper communication that the balance could be restored with Ashley. It all comes down to what everyone wants. Could the fans get their heads past Ashley pushing his SD stores off the back of Newcastle? It would seem that we can, might not love it, but if in return he stuck to their own blue print and continued that work if could prove successful imo. Problem is the lack of trust, I guess from both sides to an extent, so it is probably the best solution would be for Ashley to sell up…not sure how likely that is though.

    On the effect Pardew has has on the players. I am confident they will have some issues with him, he is not perfect and i’m sure all players have problems with all managers. The players attitude declined at the same time the club failed to kick on. That wasn’t Pardew, so really where is the bad feeling coming from? As I keep saying, Pardew is part of, but not the problem imo.

  • 78 DevonToon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    That link states newcastle, amongst others where looked at by monoors people… how reliable it is, is anyone’s guess. I thought at the time some bloke close to gezzer said they had looked at a few teams

  • 79 ToonDownSouth // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Our Toon

    I was unaware that there was any reason made public for Poyet’s dismissal?

  • 80 Greebol1892 // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Oh dear, our manager just can’t keep his gob shut, WTF. Getting sick of his daily interviews. Another day, another pile of BS.

    Give it a rest, Alan.

  • 81 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Thump, not sure mate, when Rotonda first mentioned the Mansoors I did a bit of research but could not find any link at all to them and Newcastle. There was one piece I found with an interview with Llambias which basically said that there were a lot of tyre kickers but the only offer on the table was from a cosortium led by Barry Moat but that they were unable to garuntee the finance and the club was then taken off sale. Obviously that is his spin and I am sure if somebody offered MA close to 270 Mill he would take it. But I am not holding my breath waiting for a saviour who is going tp spend Man City syle.

  • 82 Ibizatoon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Our toon…do you have a link to the latest accounts then since we’ve back in the PL. Didn’t think about that, so could be off.

    As for your comment about Poyet, i get what you’re saying on passion etc, it is greatly needed. But surely you don’t expect a manager with ambition, one who recently got fired for requesting more funds, not getting them and then criticising the board to come and work for Ashley? That’s just so insane to me and I cannot follow the logic.

    Until changes are made at the top, the lower levels have no chance of sustainable success.

    stu mel…The views are delightful upon the fence and the opinions are open minded and ready to judge as time goes on…however, things aren’t looking good and at some point, questions need to be asked and answers sought.

    Munster…FFS mate, get your nose out of Pardews backside 😉

  • 83 Belfast // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    I don’t think they actually made a bid tbh
    Think it was just an enquiry, and then a no thanks when Ashley told them his asking price.

  • 84 jayphoto // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    i’d be very wary of Poyet! Never a good thing if supporters of the team you manage aren’t bothered when your sacked and most brighton fans didn’t like him, same with he didn’t get on with any of the players!
    Brighton played decent football mind, but Zola’s Watford played the best stuff in the championship last year and I doubt many would want zola despite him and Poyet being a similar age and Zola having the much more successful career

  • 85 Yorkgeordie // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    What the top teams have is ambition, what Pardew has is a pipe dream

  • 86 Ibizatoon // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Belfast…I imagine Llambias answered the phone in his normal delightful way “Hello, do you know how nasty we can be?” and then the line went dead….Enquiry over.

  • 87 jayphoto // Aug 23, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    to be honest, I really think, for footballing philosophy, Ian Holloway would be the man for Newcastle! His attack attack attack philosophy, the fact that his team has a go away to man utds and man city’s despite being much the lesser side would make him a success with the fans! His teams play exciting, on the floor football, quick strong players etc! Always thought his teams have always overachieved too, neither Blackpool nor Palace were good enough for the premier league but Blackpool really gave a decent account of themselves despite spending the minimum! If palace vs spurs is anything to go by, they look in similar mould! Might not be a big european name but he’d bring the passion and attacking football back to newcastle

  • 88 Nufc-83 // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    Tynesidetommo

    I would love it if you were manager as if you base the team on working their socks off then i would get a game as if you gave me the chance to play for Newcastle i would run until i passed out.

    Trouble is i am sh**e but its ok as long as i keep running loool

  • 89 Ibizatoon // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    jay…For passion and attacking ethos Holloway is almost custom made for Newcastle.

    Not sure about other aspects, mainly as I haven’t looked in to him too much.

  • 90 Greebol1892 // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Terry Venables

  • 91 Nufc-83 // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    At the end of the day Pardew is making basic mistakes week in week out and our players look lost. He has to go.

    Anyone who plays cisse a right winger should never be allowed to watch football again let alone manage a team in the prem!!!!!

  • 92 Thump // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    @tequila: Given that he only paid around £134m for the club, I think he’d be looking at about that. I mean, the debts he moved around was around £150m or so iirc, so he’d probably be looking in the region of £300m. Like you say though, if somebody comes close to that he’ll snatch their hands off.

    @jayphoto: Bothered? They were baffled. Some of the vocal ones were kicking off because they lost to their rivals – in the playoffs of all things! – but for the most of the fans I spoke to, they were just confused by the situation. As for “not getting along with his players”, the only thing I came across was Vicente crying like a child about Poyet having a laugh when he misses a shot in training. Vicente also has a history of whining about past managers so… yeah, take what he says with a pinch of salt.

  • 93 nufc_eire // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    I’d say what will happen this window is we will buy gomis and thats it. If we lose cabaye we’ll replace him with gourcuff and make a tidy profit. We need more but its not going to happen

    As pardew is concerned his only plus point seems to be that some of the players do like him. I dont care what nonsense he spews in interview if he gets his tactics right and motivates the players properly before each game. And he’s not doing that yet. Although to be fair it looked a little bit more like sissoko was playing more withdrawn and the team was in more of a 4-3-3 in the first half. I have no idea why tiote was sometimes bombing forward to press city’s CB but hopefully he’ll cop on that he shouldnt do that

  • 94 Belfast // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Llambias and Ashley have just thought they where being really clever as per usual Ibiza

    These kernts are rolling in it so lets ask for stupid money.

  • 95 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Next time someone suggests Lee Clark as manager for NUFC could you all be kind enough to point the chap in the direction of this article.

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8884018?

    His top 11 of players he played with. Most of it makes sense but Ginola as a wing back?? And more bafflingly, Stephen Carr as a Centre Back????

  • 96 Belfast // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Thump did they ever find out who done a shit in the crystal palace changing room ? Haha

    #poogate

  • 97 Thump // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    @Jayphoto: to be honest, I really think, for footballing philosophy, Ian Holloway would be the man for Newcastle!

    Couldn’t agree more. Would love a character like him here. He seems a bit weak in the transfer market, though. Could very well just be a championship level manager, I suppose.

  • 98 Thump // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    @Belfast: Hahaha not as far as I heard, mate. Can’t help but feel for the poor bugger who has to clean it up… unless they were the ones who did it, of course.

  • 99 Ibizatoon // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    Belfast…Agreed, well played by the dynamic duo :)

    Was just sent this and it gave me a brief smile, so thought I’d share it…sorry if we have any scouser toon fans about…


    53,000 Scousers meet in Anfield for a ‘Scousers Are Not Stupid’ convention.

    Steven Gerrard addresses the crowd… “We are all here today to prove to the world that Scousers are not stupid. Can I have a volunteer please?”

    Wayne Rooney gingerly works his way through the crowd and steps up to the stage. Gerrard asks him “What is 15 plus 15?”

    After 15 or 20 seconds Rooney says, “Forty!”

    Obviously everyone is a little disappointed. Then the Scousers start chanting “Give him another chance! Give him another chance!”

    Gerrard says, “Well since we have a capacity crowd, world-wide press and global broadcast media here, I think we can give him another chance.”

    So he asks, “What is 5 plus 5?”

    After nearly 30 seconds he eventually says, “Twelve?”

    Gerrard looks down and just lets out a dejected sigh. Everyone is disheartened and Rooney starts crying.

    But then the 53,000 Scousers begin to yell and wave their hands shouting, “Give him another chance! Give him another chance!”

    Gerrard, unsure whether he is now doing more harm than good eventually says, “OK then, what is 2 plus 2?”

    Silence hangs over the stadium.

    Rooney closes his eyes, and after a whole minute eventually says, “Four?”

    Pandemonium breaks out throughout the stadium as the Scouse crowd stand to a man, wave their arms, stomp their feet and scream, “Give him another chance! Give him another chance!”

  • 100 fatman // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    tequilamag

    The Mansoors offered £265m Ashley wanted £500m for a club he had just paid £221m after he paid down the debts, a bluff that he later regretted.

  • 101 toon kk // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    The only player we’ve bid for is Gomis then we backed out because MA couldn’t bring himself to part with the cash.
    It’s a case of we’ve got the coin but Mashley doesn’t want to spend it.

  • 102 jayphoto // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    @thump – exactly why he’d be perfect in toon! He wouldn’t get to buy the players :-)
    Might be the only one that thinks this, but if we have to lose by 4 goals at Man City i’d rather it was 7-3 and we’d had a proper go that the gutless dross that was served up to us

  • 103 Our Toon // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Poyet said a while back that the only thing he can be accused of doing wrong is asking the club to match his ambitions and give him money to spend. However the club have said Poyet asked to leave the club in Feb/March because he wanted to manage in the Premier League, think Reading Job was up for grabs at that point, they have since made BS allegations against him according to the Managers Association that will never stand up in court, hence sacking him.

    It is a bit of a risk to take someone like this but look at this record, Former Chelsea and Spurs midfielder Poyet joined Brighton in November 2009 with the club in a relegation battle in League One.
    He led the Seagulls to safety that season and then won the League One title in his first full campaign in charge.
    After the move to the Amex Stadium in summer 2011, Brighton finished 10th in the Championship table.
    Their fourth place last season is the club’s highest finish since 1983.

  • 104 Belfast // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    My moneys on Poyet, it’s a sackable offence like :)

    I quite like Poyet. Brighton where always good to watch. Watford under Zola are really good to watch too.

    Think any one of them two managers could get far more out of our current bunch than Pardew.

  • 105 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Fatman, where is your source of information ? So far nobody has been able to show that the Mansoors actually made a bid. Rotaonda says MA wanted 800 mill you say 500 mill. All seems like gossip to me without any real substance.

  • 106 Pokat // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    It would probably be better for all concerned if Alan didnt do interviews and just used the time to hire a decent coaching staff. Saying stuff like this is bound to annoy.

  • 107 Ibizatoon // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    tequilla…What about figures that differ by a measly £300m makes it seem like gossip? 😉

  • 108 Our Toon // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Ibizatoon

    These are the most up to date figures as of 2011/2012 season

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/18/premier-league-finances-club-by-club

  • 109 Rotonda heights // Aug 23, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Bye fray

    Thanks for the insults again. I’m sure someone might miss you. Oh wait……

  • 110 Topp_Dawg // Aug 23, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    It is probably best Alan Pardew does not say much in his press conferences and focus on turning our results around with the resources he currently has. If the team shows some guts and effort – and of course grab results – we may be able to sympathize with the brother!

  • 111 lofric // Aug 24, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    It is time Pardew and Taylor too – were ignored by the media.

    Cobblers all round!




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