Kinnear – We’ve Signed 16 Players For £60M In Two Years


Joe Kinnear is relocating to Newcastle, so if he wants to walk the City Center in peace so to speak, he had better start doing his job at the club and bring in some really good players to help Alan Pardew take the side back up the league to some respectable position.

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Joe Kinnear – 16 players for £60M in last two years

Maybe we are being too negative, but the first two performances by our lads have been so bad that we’ve downgraded how we think we’ll will do this season, and now if we make the top ten that would be decent.

That’s because other clubs like Swansea, West Ham, Norwich and Fulham have all strengthened their sides this summer, and Newcastle haven’t.

And Joe is talking again and he had this to say yesterday to the press:

“Alan Pardew has signed 16 players costing £60M in the last two years, Newcastle United’s wage bill is now comfortably in the top 10 in the country, and he will continue to get all the support the club can reasonably provide.”

“Before the season started, we had sat down and agreed the squad was big enough, and strong enough, to finish in the top half of the table. But we are working together – not plotting against each other.”

“There seems to be a perception, from outside the club, that we are at loggerheads, but I don’t know why people are jumping on the bandwagon because it’s a false picture.”

Let’s see how many players we have brought in over the last two years,  starting in the summer of 2011, when we signed the following players:

Demba Ba – free
Sylvain Marveaux – free
Mehdi Abeid – free
Yohan Cabaye £4.3M
Gabby Obertan – £3M
Davide Santon – £5M
Elliot – £0.7M (£700K)

Total – £13M

That was a good window for us – it’s a pity we couldn’t have done the dame thing last summer and this summer, and by now we would have another great side.

In the following January we signed Papiss Cisse for £9M

Last summer we signed Vurnon Anita for £6M, Gael Bigirimana for £1M, and Romain Amalfitano on a free transfer, and then last January we signed five Frenchmen for a reported £18M, and 17 year-old Kevin Mbabu for a nominal fee – let’s say £400K

This summer we signed 16 year-old Olivier Kemen for a nominal fee – let’s say £300K and Loic Remy on loan – so we’ll count that £2M loan fee.

So by our reckoning we have signed 19 players – including youngsters and loan players – for around £49.7M – but that includes players like Amalfitano, Mbabu and Kemen, who are hardly part of the first team squad .

So if we leave those three out it’s – 16 players for £49M.

The fees reported for January were usually listed at £18M but there were some local reports that the fees were as high as £32M – so that would put the figure over £60M – if £32M is the accurate figure, which we seriously doubt because Sissoko and Gouffran had contracts running out in the summer,

We’ve also sold some players during the two-year time-frame including Jose Enrique (£6M), Kevin Nolan (£4M) and Demba Ba (£7M) and of course James Perch this summer, and Andy Carroll for £35M, two and a half years ago.

Joe isn’t too far off – maybe £10M too high for total outlay, – and it’s always difficult because we never get to know what the real transfer prices are.

We need a top striker brought in and if we can keep Yohan Cabaye at the club – or sell him and bring in a good replacement, we should have a decent enough squad for the coming season.

But this is all taking place while other middle of the table clubs are strengthening big time this summer – that’s the concern,.

What do you think?

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44 comments so far

  • Rainrix

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #1

    A drunkards figures and ramblings dont add up? Shocking. It’s almost as if we employ idiots.

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  • Indian Magpie

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #2

    This Bad Smell again.

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  • gaz 44

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #3

    I’m not blaming Ashley I blame everyone, Ashley invests nowhere near enough considering gate and tv revenue, joe kinnear is a tool, pardew couldn’t manage Sunday league, the players aren’t as good as people think
    Even the burgers are getting worse at half time, had to leave half of that on Saturday so everyone from Ashley to canteen staff on match days is at fault in my opinion

    If we get 70 million revenue from tv why can’t we invest 20 of it on players, we’ve no youth setup for our English players coming through the under 15?s and 16?s league is a waste of time for us. Teams like Leeds, Middlesbrough and villa and west ham are constantly bringing in through good youth why can’t we

    I am also very hung over so when I look at us today I get really wound up. Even Sunderland have improved there squad ten fold

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  • Mondini

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #4

    Joe Kinnear clearly knows all the sums.

    What support is Pardew actually getting now? One crocked loan signing for £2m and season has begun.

    We really need a stiker, it is clear to all. 14 shots gainst West Ham and none on target. I can even see us going for Bentdner. He may not be World Class but probably a realistic target in the Cabaye negotiations.

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  • outsidethebox

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #5

    repost
    geordiemark
    could be …on zero hours …just think mash is fed up wants to sell so is balancing books
    perch+ simpson+harper equals remy ….and so on
    joe has been hired to take flak
    ok to take hols now mike …yeah stacks of time
    thought id move up in next week mike as nowt is on go…yeah championi…

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #6

    Ibiza

    I’d love to see a literal statement of intent from our owner. Maybe the fans forum can get one out of Ashley. Is his goal to close the gap on the top 6 or is it just to get the club to a point that he can sell it.

    A new owner would pick up a well structured club that is ready to go to the next level, but we’re also losing ground to the top 6 every year.

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  • DG MAGPIE

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #7

    Gaz@ 3

    I sincerely hope you are still satisfied with us stewards 😉

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  • gaz 44

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #8

    I’ve never had an issue with a steward, I never see them lol

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  • Ibizatoon

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #9

    TDS…I kind of touched on it before, but there is a genuine issue of having to be somewhat secretive in order to not show your hand.

    If clubs thought Ashley was working his way to a sale, would we be in a strong position? Probably not.

    I feel I have given them a lot of time and faith the past few years, as I could see the sense in the whole plan etc, nevermind what the end goal was, but they just don’t seem to be living up to their side of the bargain imo.

    It’s the ever changing statements that get to me.

    Do we have money to spend or do we need to sell to buy?

    Do we have a squad that is good enough or are you trying to but the ST and winger JK said he thought we needed when he arrived?

    Being secretive is all well and good, expect when it looks like they’re just not doing anything anymore and then the alarm bells go mental…which is where we are now.

    It’s a tall order expecting us to have blind faith in this lot. I think many fans have been really generous with their support until now, it was never going to last if it was consistently abused.

    Something else I’ve noticed or should I say, not noticed recently…Beardsley. He’s gone really quiet. Usually waxing lyrical about Ashley and co.

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  • ochytoon

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #10

    So because we’ve spent £60 million over the past two years, not counting the players we’ve sold which either puts us in profit or at breaking even, we shouldn’t need to spend any more money?
    Sound logic Joe.

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  • outsidethebox

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #11

    cashley worth went up last year more than the cost of nufc…i think he is bored ….wants to sell but wants back what he paid …until he does he is content to lie on his yacht leave joe with the insruction to balance the books…maybe lambarse wasn,t prepared to fall in with plan ….only way to shake cashley is to hit him in pocket via sports direct

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  • Indian Magpie

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #12

    Happy Birthday to NUFC’s Romain Amalfitano – Wish i could gift him a new Manager.

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  • Dekasalya

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #13

    JFK’s figures just show the twistiness of the regime. If you take net transfers over 3 years the outlay is effectively £0. But perhaps JFK does not know the difference between gross and net? Or choosing the figures that best make the case for doing bott all?

    And if Ashley did make a statement of intent, who would believe him? Deeds not words on this one. No signings = no ambition, other than to balance the books.

    Bit of a shame we can’t get the ledger to play up front.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #14

    What riles me with “this lot” also, is the way they say and act like they don’t understand the frustration at times.

    Let’s assume they do have our best intentions at heart and are trying to get business done (are you still with me?), even if that is so, can they really not see why fans are struggling to believe?

    It may not be right, but to completely ignore just strikes of people covering their backsides. A positive approach wouldn’t go amiss, but it changes day to day.

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  • Klatoon

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #15

    Thauvin didnt train today and Lille are to hold a press conference later. Thauvin to Marseille, Ayew to NUFC???

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  • gaz 44

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #16

    I also don’t care if cabaye goes or not, he’s our best player but we’ve a ready made replacement in Anita , if we sign anyone it’s a bonus but with the rate we’re going it’ll only be a case of trying to unload them off the wage bill next year when we are trying to get back up

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  • Mondini

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #17

    Victor Moses is a realistic target. Pace, flair and creates. If Liverpool can go for him, should we not be doing the same?

    All these trips to France are back firing. Cabaye’s loyalty is enough to show that we should think twice about that market.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #18

    The figures should be irrelevant to us fans, thats for the clubs owner/money men to worry about.

    I do not mind how much we spend, just we need the right players at the right times.

    Now that could be all free transfers, all loan signings, all low cost or all high cost players…as a fan I don’t care, as long as we get them in. I understand we can’t have everything but surely the club can be doing more than currently doing.

    There have been a lot of good free signings the last few years which we could have taken up to then put the money used for similar players/positions into other areas.

    For example why not try to get flamini..he is without a club so I imagine he will consider most offers as something is better than nothing, he’s a good player.

    We could gave gotten diame on loan instead of spending the 2mil plus on sissoko.

    Just a couple examples of how smart buying can mean we spend similar amounts (so continue to break even) but get more/better players in. I know wages need to be considered too of course.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #19

    If the talk of us not wanting to sell Cabaye to Arsenal because they’re in the same league us is true, then what a joke. They’re miles ahead of our club.

    If we were where Man Utd are and it was Chelsea bidding for us, I could understand it, but not us and Arsenal.

    Although if they hit the £20m supposed asking price, I’m sure Ashley would be rubbing his fat sausage fingers together In delight.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #20

    mondini

    especially when it is a loan, surely we can compete with similar terms and offer more game time.

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  • MacToon

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #21

    I always take figures as a guide as we rarely know the full story imho. The Mag did another article the other day with some truely surprising points such as a £4 million early repayment charge on the outstanding loan he payed off. Maybe worth a read if you haven’t already seen this:

    http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/confused-you-will-be/

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  • blew

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #22

    16 players for £29M.
    Top clubs buy 2 players for that sum.
    Aspiring clubs get 3 players ‘over the line’
    for that amount.
    Quality beats quantity every time.

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  • Our Toon

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #23

    We are getting what we deserve lads, as fans we keep spending our money to fill their pockets….even though we see nothing in return. We are the only club in world football hell bent on living within our means, everyone else is spending FFP is never going to happen. We can get some really good players in and I think Bendtner from Arsenal would be a good shout considering what we currently have but we won’t sign anyone unless Cabaye leaves.

    I have to say that I feel for Cabaye and others at our club, we have shown them no loyalty and the kind of football they were promised has never been delivered. A club with no ambition cannot keep players with ambition, this is just the start of players who will want to jump ship, but yet we have fans going to SJP in their droves. I had a bit of a laugh with my mate who kept his season ticket seat whereas I got rid of mine, he told me that the new incumbent of my seat was less than impressed with the showing on Saturday, followed by a “hope the other games are better than this” what a waste of money!!

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  • blew

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #24

    £29 = £49

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  • Ibizatoon

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #25

    TS…I am with you on not caring about the figures. I respect and agree that we should be striving to break even in the current world. It’s never been about spending lots of money for me, it’s more, as you say, getting the players we need in…even if they’re free.

    We’ve seen two decent windows imo, summer 11 and winter 13, one was proactive, the other reactive. I know which one worked better which is why it’s so infuriating.

    In the end, we actually spent a bit more last season that the season before, but for no advantage…should that not be enough to show Ashley this approach isn’t the smartest?

    I have one simple question…why do it this way?

    Mac…Cheers, will take a look.

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  • MacToon

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #26

    Spot on Transfer but Ashley and his regime should be shown up for the catalogue of lies/untrue PR they continually spread.
    If there is harmony on the pitch there would more than likely be (relative) harmony in the stands.

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  • Our Toon

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #27

    Mondini:

    You question Cabaye’s loyalty, where is the loyalty to these players? They were promised attacking football and pass and move football nut instead they are stuck with hoofball, every player has a price on their heads so I ask you…why should any player show loyalty to a club that has no ambition and to a club that shows them no loyalty

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  • theartfuldodger

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #28

    If we sell cabaye for 15m or 20m it means that ashley has spent more money on his burgers than on players.

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  • TurkishFan101

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #29

    Morning lads! Hopefully im not being to excited but Thauvin is set to leave Lille and looks like OM cannot get him as they are classed as rivals. So far, nufc and roma have registered interest. ? see this being a possibility only after Cabaye is gone. Ayew+Thauvin would be excellent additions to us but right now we can only wait and see.

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  • gaz 44

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #30

    Kinnear would be no good as a nazi, the propaganda he’s sppouting just makes his community hate him and Ashley more

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #31

    Out Toon, good point that.

    Pardew was talking about “carpet football” and playing “on the front foot”. How wrong can he be…

    It’s like saying “you’re going for a trip to the moon”, only to be handed a Mars Bar in Poundland.

    Awful.

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  • geordiesteve520

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #32

    Taking James Milner as the 1st ‘casualty’ of this regime we haqve sold 16 players for £110 million, so where has that extra £50 million for eh Joe?

    Milner (£12m)
    Given (£8m)
    N’Zogbia (£6m)
    Martins (£9m)
    Bassong (£10m)
    Duff (£1.5m)
    Geremi (£500k)
    Carroll (£35m)
    Nolan (£3.5m)
    Routledge (£2m)
    Enrique (£8m)
    LuaLua (£500k)
    Best (£3m)
    Forster (£2m)
    Ba (£7.5m)
    Perch (£700k)

    source: Shields Gazette.

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  • RooneyToons

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #33

    Moses would be just what we need he was awesome for Wigan and causes all sorts of problems. Only problem is he’s pretty similar to Remy… Can Moses play on the right does anyone know?

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  • Ibizatoon

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #34

    Mac…Read the article.

    Some questions raised, but nothing really surprising, not that I’m an expert, but I think…

    1) Why pay off a loan early and incur the charge? The charge is based on the agreed interest when taking the loan. I believe the early repayment cost is less than what the club would have paid if left in place for the duration. Yes, in theory, it’s an extra hit of £4m (reportedly), but it would likely have saved some money over the loans lifetime.

    2) Ashley scheduling to take money out of the club to repay his loan to the club. Whilst not inspiring, I can’t really begrudge him this, it’s within his right. I know this opens the debate of why buy the club then, but at the end of the day, I can live with this to some extent. But be creative and find a way to improve us.

    3) “we have no plan to repay it now” – Oh yes he does! TV money, player sales (without actually spending money the past few years, we now have a squad which we should be able to sell for more than we paid – we were told about this before, no real surprises here, this is business after all). The club isn’t losing money anymore year by year, so this money can in theory now go to paying off said loan or mistake, which ever word you prefer.

    How would people feel if Ashley said “I want out. I will keep you in the PL, take the TV money and pay off my loan and then sell the club at market value as and when we can”.

    Who would take that for now knowing there is a change coming?

    Next question would be, who do we get next? Where’s my meds?

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  • Ibizatoon

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #35

    Gaz…I always find Nazi comparisons extreme when discussing football, but to use that, are we sure we’re part of Kinnears community in this scenario?

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #36

    Ibiza

    You’re right that some things need to be kept secret in order for the club to do its business properly (be that transfer business or commercial business) but I really hope that after this transfer window, we have some idea what is going on!

    Maybe the fans forum can help. Do we know if there’s anyone on this blog who is involved?

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  • lesh

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #37

    The comment of concern is that of

    ‘Before the season started, we had sat down and agreed the squad was big enough, and strong enough, to finish in the top half of the table. But we are working together – not plotting against each other.”

    That is astonishing as Pardew’s been saying all along that we need to strengthen and that Kinnear’s on the case. Somebody’s misunderstood the situation and I wonder who that could be. Furthermore, if Kinnear and Pardew are working together, where’s the additional striker and midfielder Pardew’s been pleading for?

    Please can somebody speak with straight tongue and stop making things up as they go along!

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  • Korean Magpie

    Aug 27, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #38

    How about signing Ki from Swansea..Reports are saying that Swansea will accept if they recieve 6m pounds

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  • lochinvar

    Aug 27, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #39

    The last 2 years are only part of the picture – what is important is the last 2 months , 2 weeks or what will be soon the last 2 days…..and the results of this are ???

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  • cockneymafiaout

    Aug 27, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #40

    rooneytoons

    on the right is his natural position, think its a striker and left winger is what we are crying out for though.

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