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Morecambe vs Newcastle – Match Preview

4:03 pm, Wednesday, August 28th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 131 Comments

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Newcastle take on Morecambe this evening in the second round of the Capital One Cup, and manager Alan Pardew will give chances to his fringe players, and he has warned them they will need to take their chance.

Last season Newcastle were let down by a number of their younger players and fringe players, and one reason only Vurnon Anita, Gael Bigirimana and Romain Amalfitano were bought in last summer, was that Newcastle thought their young players were better than they turned out to be.

When the lads did get their chance at Brighton & Hove Albion in the FA Cup third round tie last January, they failed miserably and so another chance comes up tonight at the Globe Arena.

And with Colo being rested Alan Pardew told the local papers today that Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa will lead out Newcastle tonight:

“Mapou will captain the team tonight. In the future it is good.” “He has those qualities and we want to use them.”

Mapou seems like a born leader, and he could become a future Newcastle captain if he can come to grips with the pace and physical nature of the English Premier League, which he’s acclimatizing to at the moment.

And the best chance Newcastle have of winning a trophy for the first time since 1969 is in the Capital Cup, but we have to ensure we play strong enough sides to get through each round.

Alan Pardew talked about the Capital One Cup, but the manager again stressed the importance of the Premier League (where all the money is):

“We all know that the Premier League has gone up a level in terms of finance.” “It blows this out of the water in terms of finance and how important that is to the football club.”

“Winning a trophy for our fans is something we are well aware of.” “Trust me – nobody wants to win a trophy more than me.” “But it is not of greater importance than the Premier League – I’m sorry it’s not.”

“It is not going to be our first team – make no bones about that.” “But it’s a team that should beat Morecambe and it is a team of senior Newcastle United footballers, they should win, that’s it.”

It’s difficult to know what team Alan will field but here’s a possible starting eleven:

Elliot
Santon Williamson Yanga-Mbiwa (c) Dummett
Marveaux Anita Gosling Ameobi (Sa)
Ameobi (Sh) Vuckic

And Alan Pardew is making the players aware that they have to produce tonight, and the last thing we want is another embarrassing defeat in a local Cup competition – we’ve had too many of those since Alan Pardew took over as manager.

This is what Alan said about the fringe players who will line up for Newcastle tonight:

“We’ve brought them here.” “Now they have to justify it.” “In view of that it is a mixed bag of experienced players and people who need to step up.”

“I hope that the fans can see players out there that they don’t always see a lot of.” “I hope they see people they warm to and that they can see why players like that were brought to the football club.”

“We have paid a lot of money for some of these players.” “I thought last year some of their performances didn’t warrant their price tags.” “I am looking to one or two of this team to show me that they should be in the squad because it is a big, big game for this football club.”

We have had some good news today that Newcastle are back in for Bafetimbi Gomis, and we are also in talks with Chelsea on the possibility of bringing Demba Ba to the club on loan next season, and that could be followed up with even more good news tonight (for a change) if the lads can win at Morecambe.

And we saw from last night’s results that it’s never easy to win these games to lower league sides, especially when they are on the road.

A win tonight and signing Bafe Gomis tomorrow is exactly what the doctor ordered to improve the mood on Tyneside, which is not good at the moment.

We hope things will start looking up for Newcastle starting tonight.

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131 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Our Toon // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    REPOST!!

    Lads it seems as though some are happy with mediocrity but come on, 52k every week should get more and certainly deserve better. Being grateful for being in the PL, I’d rather be in the first division or conference and show ambition, than be in the PL and show no ambition. Our only ambition as a club it to break even/ make a profit, oh and stay in the league…..that is shocking!! Championship clubs show more ambition than we do

  • 2 kinnearandfar // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    Whatever team we put out tonight should have enough to beat Morecambe. It’s only our past experiences and current doom and gloom which have us fearing the worst.

  • 3 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    Sage

    He isn’t damaging the club long term? What!?

    While clubs like Swansea, Southampton, Norwich, West Brom, Everton, West Ham, all kick on and develop their squads, we are standing still, and in a lot of cases, being surpassed by these teams.

    Ashley is content with us being a mid table team, and while these clubs progress, push up the table, command greater sponsorship deals and heaven forbid, qualify for Europe regularly, we will be consigned to being ONLY a mid table club for the foreseeable.

    If you’re content with that then I’m afraid we are on completely different wavelengths for what constitutes ambition.

  • 4 yo-yo // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    Just when I think it can’t get worse at the Toon… it does..just hop we win easily tonight ..

    Ba …. nooo… can’t go backwards… poor fit with Cisse
    Bafe…. Average only
    Cabaye ….. petulant sulking

    Ruddy

    Totally disagree about Forest – they are a great club with a great history and what used to be a cracking ground. They are also a sleeping giant – though they have at least won some serious silverware since we last won anything.

  • 5 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    If we don’t beat moreconbe pards and the players shouldn’t bother getting on the bid back!

  • 6 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    *Bus

  • 7 VanToonMan // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    For everyone who is giving stick to Marv…he is much better through the middle and can also like Ben Arfa dribble past players but can also play the killer pass.

    A midfield and front line of this:

    ———————Sissoko————Cabaye—————

    ——-Ben Arfa————Marveaux————-Remy———

    ———————————-Cisse——————————–

    That would be devastating IMO

  • 8 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    Yo Yo
    Maybe you shouldn’t be looking at it as bringing in a partner for cisse, cisse but some competition, which Ba would certainly provide, cisse has never played with a partner up front which begs the question of why he can’t play upfront as a solo CF

  • 9 Sir Braveheart // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    I’d rather we went all out for the Carling Cup and put a rubbish team out for the FA cup. More chance of winning this competition than any other. Look at previous winners.

    And it’s all very well saying it’s not a great financial incentive, but it gets you into Europe which is a financial incentive.

  • 10 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    Sir Braveheart
    Not according to our top brass mate, the Europa league was a strain on the squad with no financial gain

  • 11 toonluvva // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Whilst we MAY beat the mighty Morecambe, I know that we will not win this trophy.

    This cup is access to the Europa League and after last season that is the last thing Ashley wants.

    We know he won’t invest in the players to allow a good run in both the premiership and europe so after this evening he’ll be hoping for us to draw a top club away from home.

  • 12 yo-yo // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    TADS

    Aye agree about competition… and I don’t like the 4231 much and wouldeven prefer 442 and def 433… Just my own preference really

  • 13 King Arfa // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Give Adam Armstrong a go tonight once where 3 up wat a talent he looks and still only 16

  • 14 Ibizatoon // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    Tads…My issue with Ba is that he clearly wasn’t happy to be at the club as competition for Cisse.

    Much has been made of Pardew sticking with them both up front, but remember Ba didn’t start a game (I think against Everton) and then we heard all his agents going on about needing 1st team action or he’d have to move on….

    He does score goals but O just don’t see it happening, or if it does, it going well.

    I doubt 6 months on Chelseas bench has changed his character that much and I reckon he’ll go to a club where he will be the star man

  • 15 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    @GFN_France: Newcastle are deliberately blanking Arsenal to get PSG involved in the Yohan Cabaye race: http://t.co/GSu3F6yXPP #PSG #AFC #NUFC

  • 16 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    Yo-yo

    Well we can exclude Forest from that list but my point still stands, we are a big club and could be a huge club, we are a sleeping giant of a club, and our fans need to believe that and live that every day and if we live that belief then we will never settle for simply being in the PL, nor should we ever settle for simply being in the PL.

    Manchester United would never settle for being in the PL, nor would Liverpool, nor would Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, so why should we? We may not be on par with these clubs right now, but that is the level we should be demanding of our owners because that is the level this club could, and should be operating at.

  • 17 G // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Why is the blog suddenly becoming very excited about Adam Armstong? From what I understand of him, he’s not even kicked a ball for the reserves yet, and has been training for the first team squad purely for develpment purposses. The guys only just broken into the under 21 squad, so it’s doubtfull he will make the final cut tonight. Whilst I agree it’s nice to see something coming out from the academy with promise, it doesn’t make them the next big thing.

  • 18 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    Ibiza
    Sorry mate but that is a crock
    He was dropped for Everton and kicked up, yeah, he should of done, why? Because he was the inform CF, he was scoring goals and getting us points as proved in the second half of that very game

    I’m sorry but he has come out and embraced the competition at Chelsea and he thrived here, if you feel his attitude is questionable then fair enough but I will never agree with that
    He played an entire half season on the wing, got his head down, put shifts in, had to acted a as translator to the player who took his placed based solely because of the number on his back

    The difference is it worked that season, Cisse has looked below par ever since he left, highlighted by Ba finishing last season as our top scorer
    So no I don’t agree that he wasn’t happy to act as competition because that simply was not happening

  • 19 Spoof // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    Ibiza

    I understand your reservations about Ba, but we are a second rate club with no ambition at all, Cisse is not the right man for what we need, we need a target man and Ba is good as a target man, big and powerful, it’s what we need, if we have to sacrifice Cisse then so be it, but with Ba we would be a lot stronger and bearing in mind how our club is ran any strengthening has got to be taken, forget about long term, ith Ashley there isn’t one, forget about money it’s irrevent, as you may be aware I have had a thing or 2 to say about Marveaux today but if an offer of £30m came in for him and we then sold him it would in my eyes be a bad deal because the £30m would go into Ashley’s pocket and we would be another player short, forget ambition and finance, as a fan all we can do is live for now, and for now Ba is a better player than Cisse, so we should go for it if we can.

  • 20 Our Toon // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    G

    I have never heard of the kid but as stated in an earlier posting, we get hyped about British lads and I have no idea as to why that is. Anyway hope the lad plays

  • 21 Ibizatoon // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    Sleeping giant or comatose?

    Silliness aside, this is a good debate. Is or should being in the PL be enough?

    I’d argue it’s the minimum so therefore no.

    First and foremost clubs want to be in the PL and then it’s to stay there, but what next?

    It may well be taken for granted somewhat, but we aren’t a small club so surely our ambition should be higher than a newly promoted team?

    Consolidation is always needed and a natural first step, but then you need to kick on, no?

  • 22 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    I’m with Ibiza, not particularly keen on buying Ba unless we laze about and have to as a last resort. Would be like Ed’s favorite saying – Cutting off your nose to spite your face :) Again we would be presented with problems between our strikers. But Ba IS better left to his own devices in offense than Cisse, who in all honesty requires service we just can’t supply for him in order to score goals.

  • 23 belgrade fan // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    What is latest news about Ba or Gomis?? Mourinho said something?

  • 24 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Norcal
    Sorry you’ve lost me, problems between our strikers? You mean having more than one and cisse actually having to work for a first team place

  • 25 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    People also seem to forget how deep Ba dropped to link the midfield and attack, something every fan has said needs addressing

  • 26 Spoof // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    belgrade

    as far as I am aware Mourinho has said nothing but seeing as Ba cannot even get onto the Chelsea bench and bearing in mind that Mourinho and Pardew are good friends then I cannot see any resistance coming from Chelsea, it probably depends upon what % of Ba’s wage we would be prepared to pay, and as always with Ashley it is the money side which will be the problem.

  • 27 Ibizatoon // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    Tads…I don’t know the inner workings or what went down, but I struggle to believe that Pardew out of boredom or stupidity decided to just stop using a system that was working wonders before hand. I am assuming, which can be dangerous I know :)

    I’m not talking about in the pitch contribution, as he was superb, bit I do genuinely question how much of the good feel factor Ba was responsible for messing up. Once again, I know this is speculative.

    Spoof…not sure mate, that could be £30m closer to seeing the back of Ashley 😉

    Don’t get me wrong on Ba, definitely the type we need now and if Pardew dropped Cisse for him then fair play, the club comes 1st. I just don’t see this one happening.

  • 28 dobinhood // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    To those ‘supporters’ who don’t want to see us progress in the carling cup you have as much ambition as mr Pardew! There is not a chance we will finish higher than 7th, so are some of you happy with that yea on year ?
    They have already said we cannot compete with the so called ‘big guns ‘ financially and that will continue to happen unless we get a new owner with ambition !
    I would rather have a chance at any cup and finish in the bottom half ! And we is it these professional footballers at our club can’t play 2 games in a week and other clubs can ?

  • 29 wolfshead@toon // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    buying cisse was a mistake we should have tied demba down with a proper contract and built a team round him

  • 30 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    tads were you asleep that first half of last season man?

    Did you see how they played together? They stood at the 18 like statues, unable to get any supply from our midfield. As a result, Ba was incredibly selfish. We all know Ba would take priority and Cisse would wallow around until he’s benched.

  • 31 Marty-Toon // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    Obertan will get a run out tonight for sure as will Sammy,Dummet and Bigi

  • 32 Our Toon // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Ibizatoon

    as any premier league team fan will tell you, staying in the premier league is not an ambition or a goal (unless you are a promoted team) neither is top 10 though.

    Europe should be a target with a good run in at least one of the cups. We will never be able to compete with any clubs on our current policy.

  • 33 Spoof // Aug 28, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    tads

    I agree with you m8, for me its a no brainer, Ba is far superior to what we have and if he is available and prepared to come back then we have got to go for him, if that upsets Cisse because he then has competition for his place then tough.

  • 34 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Btw that was in the 4-4-2. I remember when we tried to continue with the 4-3-3 Ba still became our main goal scorer and Cisse lost his form. Even though Ba did an OK job on the wing, him and Cisse are, ideally, out and out strikers

  • 35 yo-yo // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Ruddy

    Yes I wasn’t disagreeing with your basic point. I think everyone associated with the Toon from the owner(s), shareholders, manager, DOF, cleaning staff, ball boys, fans, office staff should have a sense of pride in the club and realisation that we ARE a top 4 or top 6 club every season. European football should be an expectation not occasional ambition. And we all know where the problem starts from..

  • 36 King Arfa // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    This lad has already shown better progression at this stage than Rooney did at Everton fair one he may turn out to be Half the player Wayne is but being branded the next Rooney can only mean a bright future hopefully we get a glimpse of him tonight but knowing pardew not a chance lol here’s to hopeing I for one expect big things in the next few years for this lad a few of my mates bang on about him like

  • 37 Spoof // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Norcal

    so what, if he wallows around and then gets benches then so be it, what would prefer a happy Cisse in the side but we being a lesser side because of it

  • 38 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Ibiza
    Do you follow Ba on twitter?
    He spent a big part of pre season training with cabaye, stopped in to support the lads at the team hotel before our London away games and is in regular contact with several players still

    As for pardew, if you don’t believe that he would stop using a system for no reason and it was contributed to Ba then why didn’t that system revert back after Ba was sold?

    Sorry but saying is speculative is putting it kindly!
    If you want to base it on speculation then why not look at the other things speculated? Like Ba’s contract being heavily based around bonuses, one of which being a goals bonus, which became near impossible to fulfil when shunted to the wing
    Or that Ashley had him in the shop window since the summer getting pards to do his “powerless” speech ala cabaye style all summer then all December leading up to the window?

    Sorry mate but do you think one player really has so much influence he can dictate formations and tactics?

  • 39 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Spoof

    Cisse is hardly happy right now as the main striker. Look at his body language man, he’s been throwing his arms in the air and shouting because his midfield is failing him.

    His whole game reeks of desperation, hence his poor form. When you’re in form do you worry about things or constantly get frustrated? No you just play and good things happen. Cisse is miles away from that mentality atm.

  • 40 Our Toon // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Spoof

    Come on mate think about what you are saying, you would prefer than we risk upsetting our only striker for a former striker who we will only get on a loan!! 4-3-3 worked a treat and Ba twisted, got his way and also pushed Cisse out wide….needless to say Cisse hasnt looked the same but then again we arent creating the same chances.

    But NO i would never take a loan player and give him priority over one of our key players

  • 41 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Norcal
    Once again you’ve lost me, is there a rule set in stone they both have to be on the pitch at the same time??
    No didn’t think so
    As for your Ba became selfish line, behave
    Watch the games, cisse was just as selfish and still always offside, he never offered himself or made a decent run
    Ba constantly held the ball up, dropped deep and guess what, found the net
    Maybe it was you napping until jan

  • 42 Offkey // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Everyone could see Ba was the better all-round striker. If he came back, I dont think we would play better and it may cause some unrest with Cisse, but we would get more points.

  • 43 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Our Toon
    Cisse is only a key player if he’s putting the ball in the net
    If remy starts bagging goals off the bench game after game and cisse isn’t scoring or looking like scoring should we continue to start cisse simply because he’s on a permanent contract???

  • 44 NUFC FOR SALE // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Demba Ba simply the best striker we’ve had since Shearer….if there is any chance of getting him back here then do it……..much rather have Ba than Gomis.

    Joke Heed pull your finger out and get them both in and while you’re at it a Decent Centre Half, a winger and a right back….preferably M Richards from City

  • 45 aidytoon9 // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    I think this season will be a turning point for us and I am hoping/ praying that Ashley sells the club as I think he will if fans become vocal against him at games. I don’t mean abuse him or his family just let it be known that he is not wanted.
    this club is ours as it is in our heart from the first time we visit St.

  • 46 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    And who’s to say the move would be solely on a loan basis

  • 47 Ibizatoon // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Either my point is being missed or I’m not making it very well…probably the latter :)

    Ba as a player I would welcome.

    Competition for Cisse I would welcome.

    Doubts over Bas attitude I have.

    From making this list, Yoda I have become.

    Anyway, someone mentioned that Ba was the inform striker, which is correct. However, Cisse was as in form as anyone I’ve ever seen when he arrived, Ba was moved out wide and it worked really well for the team, but he wasn’t happy as he wasn’t the main man…it’s as simple as that for me.

    I don’t question Cisse. I think he would happily play on the wing if it was for the greater good of the team, not that it would be :)

    This isn’t about who is better or any of that, but let’s say Cisse hits form, Ba should therefore be benched, then what?

    Sorry, but I do question his character, but to be clear, not his ability

  • 48 aidytoon9 // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    Cisse is a born goal scorer, give him the service and he will deliver.

  • 49 fatman // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    Ashley wants £265m to walk he will take it all in one go or bit by bit he will not loose 1p so if you want rid of him see a player sale as one step closer to a fat free zone.

  • 50 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    tads

    Once Ba regained his position as our main striker he became massively selfish. He was happy enough to play wide when Cisse came in, but there was an obvious disconnect between those two that developed over the 1st half of that 2012-2013 season. It got worse and worse until Ba finally decided to leave.

    As for Cisse never offering a decent run, well I saw Ba fire in unlikely shots even when Cisse was in better position.

    As usual on this blog :) I should say as an aside that I know Ba would supply goals, but Pardew couldn’t handle juggling the two back then, why would he now? He’ll alienate our £10M striker again. Ba always took initiative, it was Cisse who fell to the wayside because he can’t contribute anything to the team if he isn’t scoring.

  • 51 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    Ibiza
    Cisse would happily play the wing? Did you not see the tantrums when getting subbed off when he was playing there?

    And if cisse is the inform CF then yeah Ba should be benched, but that wasn’t the case at all when you used Everton as an example to highlight his attitude, when his agents rightly called pardew an idiot

  • 52 dcdick // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    Pardew out !!!

  • 53 wolfshead@toon // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    demba had the same service as cisse has now when he was lone striker but still found the net every other game

  • 54 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    So tads, why not go after a proper winger or someone who is comfortable playing in the hole behind Cisse, rather than invite one of our problems back? Is Ba the only person available.

  • 55 Spoof // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Lads, the simple fact is that last season Cisse was hopeless, yes he played half the season out of position but when Ba left he was still hopeless, and the team which Cisse was so awful in was the same team that Ba thrived in during the first part of the season, and what we currently have is not much different to what we had last season, so basically Ba can and has scored regularly in our current set-up and Cisse hasn’t, it’s blatently obvious that Ba is a better player and if you want to improve then you have got to get better players, I couldn’t care less if they are on loan or not, if they are better than what we have then play them,what more needs to be said

  • 56 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Norcal
    I’m sorry but all that post highlights for me is that pardew is inept and cisse isn’t the right player to be playing in a team void of attacking ideas as he simply doesn’t contribute enough
    So for me it’s a no brainier, get the lad in
    Couldn’t care less if cisse cost £10 mil or £10 that makes no difference to the fact he’s not doing the business at the top end and hasn’t done now for just over a season

  • 57 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Spoof

    It’s true, but IMO Ba is just a better EPL player is all, he’s more physical and better on the ball. Cisse is class, he showed it in Germany and with us, but he requires far more support.

  • 58 Spoof // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    norcal

    Lineker, Shearer and all the top strikers always tell you that a centre forward has got to be selfish, its in their make-up

  • 59 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Well tads, Pardew is still our manager is he not? :)

    So why bother is what I’m asking. Get someone who’s job is to play as an out and out winger and supply goals, because all we have is Jonas, Gouffran (who is better up front) and Hatem on the wings, and Hatem isn’t even playing well atm.

  • 60 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Norcal
    When did I say don’t go after wingers? Been saying we need that all season, but I still don’t think cisse will do the business and shouldn’t be relied upon as our only option as a CF
    As for Ba being a problem, I’d love to see you show some concrete evidence that he was a trouble maker

  • 61 belgrade fan // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Remy and Ba will work better than Remy and Cisse. be sure. just hope we can get him back. but not sure he wants to be here. our only chance is he knows he wont be even on a Ch bench

  • 62 Offkey // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    I may be wrong but I cannot see Cisse hitting ‘form'(as we see it). Cisse on form is almost purely goals, nothing much else and I dont think he will get the service to consistently show his ‘form’ under our current management/regime. If that is the case a different striker seems a must and we know Ba can pull wins from nothing working alone up front. So seems a decent shout, despite the drawbacks.

  • 63 Spoof // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    Norcal

    you may be right but we are in England and not Germany so its what happens here which is important.

  • 64 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Or a deep lying striker too.

    Spoof

    I understand but Ba wasn’t just doing his job as a striker, he essentially ignored Cisse on the attack. Passing to the open man when you have 2 defenders in front of you is pretty fundamental.

  • 65 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    Norcal
    Your right pardew is still here
    So ask which CF has worked best in a pardew set up
    Ba is that CF

  • 66 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    And cisse is just as selfish tbf
    Can anyone remember which game it was we had Marv completely unmarked on the pen spot and cisse decided to shoot from the tightest angle going and fluffed it massively?

  • 67 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    tads

    you need to relax man , wasn’t accusing you of anything, I was presenting the issue of wingers.

    You typified my example with the tactical problems of the Ba’s and Pardew by saying our manager is inept – yet you are suggesting we construct the same scenario anyway?

    How does that make sense? And when did I call Ba a trouble maker?

  • 68 Ibizatoon // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Norcal…sorry mate. Can’t agree that a signed player should get priority over a loan player, in form player plays imo

    Tads…He’s remained friends with some of the players, don’t mean to be rude or dismissive but so what?

    I wouldn’t put it past Pardew, I just believe it came from Ba bending Pardew over a barrel. Of course Pardew was worried, he knew he could leave the club and all he would get is £3.5m to replace him with!

    I don’t think Pardew was putting Ba in the shop window at all, wasn’t it someone else who came out about the release clause? Pardew is seemingly quite weak and probably feels completely helpless at times, hence the strange loyalty to certain players. Do I think Ba had an impact on Pardews decision? Too right I do.

    Should he have been allowed? No.

  • 69 Spoof // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Norcal

    I think your being a bit harsh on Ba, Ben Arfa doesn’t pass often enough either but I don’t believe that either of them do it to intentionaly try to victimise one individual

  • 70 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Norcal
    How is Ba a problem is what I’m saying, and yes pardew is inept, but Ba still scored goals for us even when the team was playing woeful football, cisse wasn’t so Ba is by far the better suited CF to this team

  • 71 valle // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Jesus effin christ! How stupid can a person be? Sorry, but if you still go around thinking that Cabs aint playing “because the club are protecting their asset” or something like that you really need to get your head looked at!. Your hero refused to play, accept it! I liked him as well, but its clear to all who are willing to look the truth in the eyes that he has thrown his toys out the pram. MA wanna win games, AP wanna win games and they want their goods in the shopping window so thats a couple of reasons right there. Then there is Deschamps saying Cabs wont play international football if he dont play for Newcastle, dont you think that statement would have Cabs comming flying out to defend his honor if this was lies? Jeez! Use your brains for crying out loud… Rant over.

  • 72 gaz 44 // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Would love ba back to be fair, best striker we had since shearer

  • 73 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Ibiza
    The point being if he is still in regular contact to the point he still trains out of season with players then how poisonous can his attitude really be?
    And yes Redknapp said about his clause, a year before he left, that’s a year the club had to renegotiate his contract, but didn’t, instead they just kept on talking about it
    Oh and it was us who said it could only be triggered by a CL team

  • 74 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Alright let me be clear:

    Ibiza
    That’s absolutely right, but point I’m making is we don’t NEED to bring Ba back here. The reason I’m keen on buying a winger, midfielder, or deep lying striker is because I don’t feel Cisse’s poor form is his fault alone, but our s**t midfield and tactics atm which we ALL recognize.

    Spoof
    Ba put in tremendous work at first, but it became apparent to many people that he and Cisse weren’t clicking. After that amazing start Cisse had, obviously we would offload the cheaper striker if there was tension between them.

  • 75 Ibizatoon // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    Got to run lads, catch you later.

    Closing comment, IF Ba comes back, he will get my support and I would of course want him to do well. I just don’t see it happening as I think more went on behind the scenes…could be wrong, in fact, it would make me happy if I am!

    Take it easy folks

  • 76 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    Valle
    MA and AP want to win games? What the hell is that based on!!
    MA wants a profit and AP sets up not to lose he doesn’t set up to win

  • 77 89Norcal // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    tads

    I know, goes back to what I said; that Ba is better for the Prem left to his own devices, whereas Cisse requires service because if he isn’t scoring, he sure as hell isn’t creating goals or pulling defenders. Cisse’s strengths lie pretty much solely on his finishing ability.

    Ba was great for us OK, don’t get the impression I’m demonizing him, but it obviously wasn’t working having two out and out strikers playing together, nor was benching one of them.

  • 78 manni // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Getting Ba would be taking a step back and getting Gomis is an ok signing…the question we have to ask is .would we be happy getting both these players …or going into next week and loosing cabaye and not signing anyone? Because the way Ashley is running the club these are the only options they are going for….instead of bidding for players like Insigne,Ince,Narsingh,Fisher

  • 79 Toon1978 // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Would love Demba Ba back at NUFC. Seems to me Chelsea just bought him to snap up the competition. TBF to Ba, he ain’t going to get a better manager than Mourinho but if he is not in his plans then he should think about moving on.

  • 80 Ian Toon // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Tads- Ba would be the perfect signing for me – he has nothing to apologise for as he was fully committed to the team. Watching
    us against West Ham we lacked physicality in the box. Pardew
    recognised that was required but Shola is too static and lacks
    Ba’s movement and football brain. Ba can create his own
    chances by endeavour and persistence, he never gives up.

    Cisse is an instinctive goalscorer but we lack width / wingers to get behind defences and deliver balls into the box. We agreed on what was required to move forward at the end of May. Ba would be
    a good solution. Maybe Kinnear will surprise us all and bring in a wide man as well. Don’t hold your breath.

  • 81 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Evening lads!

    …I wonder how is Remy doing inn terms of fitness? Can he play soon?

  • 82 valle // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    toonarmydownsouth… So you are are saying they dont want to win games? Give your head a shake. MA gets a bigger profit if we are winning and AP keep his job. I dont like the pair neither but the lenghts some people on here will go to make every fekkin thing their fault is embarressing. Now even spoilt brat players who dishonour the shirt are being defended because people somehow find a reason to make a conspiracy theory out of it.

  • 83 GeordieTwo // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    It will be interesting to see how players like Dummett, Vukic, Gosling, Sammy and Bigi perform if they get their chance. I’m fairly certain several of them will. This is a big game for them. If they don’t show improvement and desire I’m not sure where they go from there. I’m thinking mainly of Vukic, and Gosling as Pardew already seems to rate Bigi, Dummett and Sammy. But we need a good performance from everyone. Keep your fingers crossed.

  • 84 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    Wouldn’t take Ba back if we were paid to take him.

    Sign of the times that this club is forced to settle for scraping the barrel for players who either turned us down or have left us in the past.

    Sad times indeed.

  • 85 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Ian toon
    Spot on mate

  • 86 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    1-0 to Morecambe.

    My prediction.

    If our ‘A’ team can’t get a single shot on target… let alone supply their forwards, I doubt our ‘B’ team will fair any better against a team lke Morecambe.

    Christ… we have two Ameobi’s in the team… might as well field 9 men and tell those two football imposters not to leave the house.

  • 87 GeordieTwo // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    I think it’s more likely we’ll still bring in Gomis for physicality in the box rather than a re-cycled Ba Toon1978 and Ian Toon. We know why Ba left, more money. He’s likely on a higher wage now. Gomis is younger and just as physical. I loved Ba when he was with us but the escape clause killed us (what has happened to those wonky knees by the why?) and he won’t be coming back. More likely to go out on loan to a European team.

  • 88 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    If only the club was run like that Survivor game show, were we could vote out those we don’t like…

    God… in just 2-3 months, our team would be in a far better shape then it is now…

  • 89 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Getting rid of Ba and Keeping Cisse is reminiscent of when we got rid of Lua Lua and kept Ameobi.

    We let the better player go.

  • 90 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Geordie Two
    The terms reported that we had agreed with gomis was £75,000 a week
    Ba is on £70k
    And to say he left a struggling side to sign for the champions of Europe purely for money seems a bit bitter tbh

  • 91 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Geordie Two
    And Ba and Gonis are the same age

  • 92 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Hughton sacked after half a season. Doing well considering it was our first season back from the Coca Cola League.

    Pardew, 1 season of utter cr@p, where we were lucky to stay up.

    We need some consistency for christ sake. Sack Pardew already.

  • 93 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    If losing tonight means Pardew will be sacked. I’ll gladly accept a thrashing tonight.

  • 94 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Spurs have just signed lamela pending a medical
    Think the lad has got a little way to go to be a great but he will certainly be a very exciting player to watch this season

  • 95 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Monkey

    Pardew gets sacked, we’re out of the cup, some other mediocre manager takes over and we’re no better off and out of the cup. That’s a genius plan…

  • 96 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Pardew saying on Total Sport that the players have to perform tonight or he’ll have “to draw a line under some of these players” (i.e. conclude that they’re not good enough and sell them).

    Soooo… we should really have drawn a line under him months ago. He’s talking about poor performances, yet he tells us he’s fairly happy with a professional performance at West Ham where we’ve had no shots on target. Pot and kettle. Yet again, awful.

  • 97 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    Stop dreaming lads about all these players we won’t get 😉

    …you are just going to feel let down!!

  • 98 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Jesper

    I’m choosing music to suit my mood. Gone for the Street Dogs haha

  • 99 GeordieTwo // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    We just don’t have a proper structure in place at the club and I doubt very much whether Joe and Pardew get along. It just feels all wrong. No serious progress can be made without big changes at the club. If the next move is to sack Pardew and replace him at least temporarily with Joe I don’t think we will see much real improvement. Possibly an early lift for 4 or 5 games but long term Joe is definitely not the answer as manager either. We could definitely have strengthened the club without it costing the club an arm and a leg this summer but it took Joe too long to get going (and he may never get going).

  • 100 fatman // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    valle
    Ashley wants out he could not care less what we do as long as he gets his money back, he’s committed to buy rangers, for a fraction of the cost he will get for us, and he can run them without the risk of relegation once the scotch are back to a two horse race.

  • 101 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    @Ruddy

    *Warning – post will contain negativity*

    A mediocre manager is far better than a p!ss poor manager, aka Pardew. The silver haired fool can’t grasp common sense. Players inform > Players out of form, heck in my eyes an untested manager that understands that simple concept is already a vast improvement on what we are currently stuck with.

    Face it, we are not going to win the league cup with Pardew in charge let alone win two games in a row.

    There is a greater chance of Nessie sprouting legs and walking all the way to St.James Park then there is of Pardew winning silverware.

    As long as someone, not JFK replaces Pardew, there is a good chance the team will improve… Pardew isn’t exactly setting the bar high now is he.

    I can’t see anything besides Relegation with Pardew in charge.

  • 102 Yohan Kebab // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    hoping to see some vuckic/marveaux/gouffran link up, all clever players

  • 103 Yohan Kebab // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    eto’o has just signed for chelsea, surely ba out

  • 104 Indian Magpie // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Christian Eriksen to THFC for 10 million Euros FFS 10 million Euros.

  • 105 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Monkey

    Things are bad, I very much agree. We are more than likely not going to win the League Cup, we could manage it with Keegan or SBR in charge, so I hold little hope for any manager in charge of this club.

    However, the point I am making is that we shouldn’t will our club to lose because we don’t like the manager.

    I want Pardew gone, just like the vast majority of fans here, but I would love nothing more than to see him do well at this club, because if he does well, the team does well.

    As it stands, it is unlikely that he will do well and as such should definitely be replaced, in normal circumstances, however, we don’t operate in normal circumstances. Ashley will no doubt replace Pardew with another archaic dinosaur manager stuck in the tactical dark ages and we’re no better off in the long run.

    I’m not defending Pardew, just think that we need to be careful when it comes to what Ashley would do in terms of replacing him.

  • 106 PAULNUFC // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Jesper hes started training , not with the first team tho

  • 107 Zero // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Is it just me or is Pards attitude – if we lose tonight its not my fault its the players.

    Not the fact he chose to play them….

    I honestly think its a worrying trait to have in a personality.

  • 108 Toon1978 // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Hoping to see Vuckic and a few other young ones out tonight.

  • 109 Yohan Kebab // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    danny simpson is much better now we dont have him

  • 110 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Indian Magpie
    I said we should snap him up weeks ago and we was being offered for €10 mil, I got told I was unrealistic and we couldn’t afford him and no way would he go for that little
    When I said he only had a year on his contract I was told in that case he must be all hype as a top club would of snapped him up
    Now they have and we didn’t even sniff round the lad

  • 111 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    #NUFC (4-2-3-1): Elliot; Debuchy, Yanga-Mbiwa (c), Good, Dummett; Bigirimana, Gosling; Sammy Ameobi, Vuckic, Marveaux; Gouffran.

  • 112 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    What is the guy’s obsession with 4-2-3-1? Play a formation that suits the players on the pitch for god sake.

  • 113 Yohan Kebab // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    back to 4231 tonight, bit defensive aginst morecambe lol

  • 114 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    #NUFC subs: Alnwick, Santon, Streete, Anita, Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Shola Ameobi.

  • 115 Indian Magpie // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    TADS

    We are pathetic in every sense of the word.

    Tads I used to write a little abt dutch football.

    Eriksen had actually said that he will not leave AJAX on a free. if a fee cd not be agreed then he was going to sign a new contract.

  • 116 Thump // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Anybody else heard/confirmed that Demba is at the Globe Arena?

  • 117 JP...from The Rock // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    I would start with Campbell and if by half-time he hasn’t impressed replace him with Cisse.

  • 118 jazzyp // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Evening lads
    I see Demba’s being mentioned as to make a return with the toon. Personally would take him back for the simple reason that I don’t think Cisse looks remotely interested at the moment. And for those taking the morale high ground, Remy screwed us big time and yet we have given him a chance to redeem himself.
    If it came between a choice in Gomis-Cisse or Ba I would take Ba every day.
    Yohan kebab-Evening mate
    So that makes Torres-Lua kaka-Shurrle-Moses-Eto.
    I would have thought they would sell Ba rather than loaning him out mate wouldn’t you

  • 119 Indian Magpie // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Newcastle United FC ?@NUFCOfficial 3m
    #NUFC (4-2-3-1): Elliot; Debuchy, Yanga-Mbiwa (c), Good, Dummett; Bigirimana, Gosling; Sammy Ameobi, Vuckic, Marveaux; Gouffran.

  • 120 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    10m Euros for Eriksen? Madness.

  • 121 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Nice to see good dummett bigi n vuckic get some minutes but ffs pards sort this bollox formation out!!

  • 122 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    JP

    Campbell is on loan to Carlisle, and Cisse isn’t even in the squad this evening.

  • 123 Indian Magpie // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Shola Rested to slay Fulham. I guess Morecambe are too small for him.

  • 124 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    Thump
    Were did you hear that mate?

  • 125 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    Rotonda
    Nope he’s not, you’d think we’d get him bag him a couple of goals and get his confidence

  • 126 ochytoon // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    Two defensive midfielders…. Against Morecambe……

  • 127 Yohan Kebab // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    feeling a vuckic hattrick tonight

  • 128 Indian Magpie // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Thump

    Who Papiss Demba Cisse?

  • 129 Toon1978 // Aug 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    Happy to see Dummett and C.Good get on the pitch.

  • 130 DokToon // Aug 28, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    monkey…

    to see pards out youd accept a thrashing? way to support the toon… kryst, thats blasphemy…

  • 131 JP...from The Rock // Aug 28, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Ruddy- Oh Sh*t I forgot LOL That’s a shame though. How is the fiery haired youngster doing over there btw? Has he played for them yet?




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