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Cabaye Expected To Play On Saturday – Pardew Exerts Pressure

3:22 pm, Thursday, August 29th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 262 Comments

Newcastle midfielder Yohan Cabaye is now likely to make his first appearance of the season for Newcastle against Fulham on Saturday, and that’s according to Alan Pardew at his press conference   held earlier today for the Fulham game.

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Yohan Cabaye – when he used to play for Newcastle – at Blackpool

Obviously Alan was questioned on the situation regarding the French International midfielder, and he’s lost some support by the unprofessional way Cabaye has handled himself ever sine that first (and so far only) bid of £11M came in from Arsenal – and as the Newcastle manager said – turned his head.

This is what Alan said today:

“What I have said to Yohan Cabaye is I expect him to play this weekend.” “Is he receptive? I think so but we’ll have to wait and see.”  “Until another bid comes in from Arsenal that is accepted or not that will be the situation.”

“I hope I can keep all my players.”  “You don’t want to lose world-class players like Yohan Cabaye and we will hopefully add one or two.”

And I know some fans think it’s the club that are holding back Cabaye in case he gets injured , but the preponderance of evidence is that Yohan has refused to play and the player put Pardew into a difficult position, and the Newcastle manager – to his credit – has attempted to protect his player – even though he refused to play for the side.

Quite honestly  we think Alan Pardew is as frustrated as the rest of us with Newcastle’s inability to have some success in the transfer window this summer.

And after the transfer window closes Newcastle should take a hard long look at what worked – but more importantly what didn’t work in this transfer window and try to improve, because it seems painful whenever Newcastle try to bring in one of their targets.

And it doesn’t  seem to be the big problem at other clubs that it is on Tyneside.

Anyway – first things first and we need a top striker brought in – and we assume Joe Kinnear is working night and day on that –  and if he isn’t he should be. 😀

If a blog writer can get up at 3:00 am every morning to write these articles, then Joe Kinnear can work around the clock on something that is so much more important for Newcastle United.

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262 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Noah Another Ameobi // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    cabaye should be on the bench and come on at 60 mins

  • 2 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    Watched the highlights of last night match.

    Pardew didn’t even greet Morecambe Manager properly

  • 3 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    Pardew hinting that it was Cabaye’s choice not to play. If he leaves then expect to have ‘the truth’ from both sides like the Carroll situation. I really hope they can actually agree this time whether he stays or goes. There is only one truth.

    For the record, I anticipate the following:
    – Cabaye’s agent states that last summer the club said he could leave the following summer if a CL club offered his asking price
    – Cabaye’s agent feels that Arsenal have offered a good price for a player who cost about a third of that 2 years ago

    So has he simply refused to play? Is he just not being professional in training? Are the other players annoyed with him?

    It’s simple though really…Arsenal say that they want “special players” only. If the French international playmaker is considered “special” then surely he’s worth more than £12M.

  • 4 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Indian Magpie

    I noticed that last night. Pardew should have the common courtesy to get up and shake the man’s hand. I can’t see the problem with landing Ba. For god sake, for the good of the club, go in and get him asap. No urgency from the club at all. ARHGHHHH lol.

  • 5 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Ruddy…I think the general perception is Cabaye doesn’t want to play…or at least didn’t want to play after the Arsenal bid.

    …Pardew’s interview seconds that emotion! :)

  • 6 Lowesy // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    If we get to Tuesday and no one new has been brought in, something has to be done. I understand some of you have season tickets but can’t we protest for one match at least? No one enter the stadium, everyone stand outside, don’t purchase tickets. Surely with 52,000 fans chanting outside the stadium with empty seats inside would be much more or a protest than chanting inside? Just a thought. I think it would be make a huge statement, not only to Ashley, Kinnear and Pardew but also the players and to the rest of the nation that we aren’t going to stand for this sh!te! Because that’s what I can see is going to happen. No players, but they’ll say, at least we held onto Cabaye (if we do manage that), while teams around us like Cardiff, Norwich, Swansea, etc. are all spending to improve their teams!

  • 7 Wiz // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    Toon Darn Sarf – there is not the space for an economics discussion, much though I enjoy those. I am an advisor to the Green Party and would simply point out the following facts: a) Spanish banks alone have unsecured lending of 1.7tn Euros, well beyond the grasp of the EU, the ECB, and the IMF. b) Countries stand behind bust banks so they have the credibility to continue trading. c) Banks stand behind countries so they can fund their social programmes. I would invite you to reflect upon these facts, and consider also if alternative systems are going to have to be found one way or another, and perhaps conclude that nothing will change until it has to. Sante!

  • 8 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    Wiz from previous thread

    Having an owner unwilling to rectify or acknowledge mistakes that could very well lead to relegation is a worrying sign indeed.

    First and foremost, let’s not entertain the notion that the signings made in January were brought forward, that is BS as we needed those players last summer. With only Willo, Colo and Saylor at CB we desperately needed M’biwa last summer. With only Cisse, Ba and Shola at ST we needed extra options, especially on the wings so we needed Gouffran last summer. With Simmo needing to be upgraded we should have bought Debuchy last summer. Haidara is off the radar now making his signing seem pointless and given how much first team football both Perch and Bigirimana got last season we really could have done with Sissoko last summer.

    So, the reality is, January signings should have all been made last summer, which means that we have to view this summer solely on its own merits, and the fact that we’ve only signed Remy on loan means that this is a disastrous window and Mike Ashley has not learned from his mistakes, in fact, he seems intent on repeating them as he has found a method that saves him money.

  • 9 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    toon 1978

    exactly

  • 10 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    Jesper

    I don’t believe it for one second.

  • 11 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Toon1978

    Did you notice that too? Shaking a man’s hand sitting down is always considered discourteous is it not?

  • 12 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Ruddy…I know non of us like Mike, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame him for everything!

    …I think this one is one Cabaye and his agent and personally I don’t want any of it! I think it’s unprofessional and childlike attitude what Cabaye is showing.

    I wouldn’t even play him before after September 2nd :)

  • 13 NobbyNolano // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    Cabaye’s gonna come away with egg on his face without a doubt. If he does his talking on the pitch he’ll be fine. Just needs to not repeat similar actions even if he is subject to a bid from a more attractive club for him.

    http://theyoungernolan.wordpress.com/

  • 14 belgrade fan // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    How is now problem with Gomis about his wage??? Didn’t they say we agreed terms with him and only prob is agents fees?? this club is one big lie, started from MA. just waiting 3 more days and 0 signings to say bye bye until regime is changed. Cant believe you fans who live in Newc doing nothing about this

  • 15 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Does that not serve to show the distrust that Newcastle fans have in Mike Ashley? That a large section of fans will not take things at face value?

    It whiffs of the Andy Carroll transfer, and that one wasn’t as transparent as some would have you believe.

  • 16 aidytoon9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Cabaye world class, not sure about that.
    If he has refused to play get him out.

  • 17 Wiz // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Ruddy – I agree with you. I do have my prejudices about Ashley, that is true, and one of them is that he is a gambler. When he bought the club he made one of his few public utterances about it. He said it was a bit of fun. He meant that he was in it for the same reasons as fans. But I thought that showed a misunderstanding of football fans. And it was a giveaway to his own views. We are a bit of fun to him, it is true, and we are a massive gambling opportunity, with real, business-style money at stake. I sincerely believe this. Naturally I cannot prove it. But I honestly think that if Ashley had to choose between spending forty million and finishing fourth, or spending nothing and finishing eighth, he would choose the latter, even though every fan would choose the former. And of course he might in due course he better off getting into the Champions’ League, despite that expenditure. But it is more fun for Mike Ashley if he spends less than anyone else and finishes with a bigger and demonstrable profit. He is a hopeless football club steward for that very reason. He is not a fan!

  • 18 Belfast // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Nah not for me.

    Anita deserves to start after last week.

  • 19 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Wiz

    You’re right, it isn’t the space for an economics discussion, although I enjoy those too. I am not involved in that area in my profession although I do have a wonderful way of smelling bullsh*t and taking apart completely implausible or illogical arguments…sadly those people all too often also have a way of just believing their argument in the manner of a religious fanatic…

    The issue is that we know there are serious problems with the economy in our country and we know there are serious problems with our football club too. Just randomly ranting at the people at the top demanding change will never actually do anything except for perhaps making the person doing the ranting feel a little better.

    There are only 3 ways that I can see things improving for our club the way we want them to:
    1 – proper engagement between the fans and the club that creates real change and brings the club closer to the fans – the Fans’ Forum should help.
    2 – Ashley sells up when he’s good and ready and gets an offer that meets his asking price
    3 – The Premier League collapses or radically changes (i.e. the biggest clubs disappear off to a European league) and Newcastle United can operate in a way more similar to that of a couple of decades ago – less focussed on money.

  • 20 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    I’ve just read Pardew’s comments from after the match last night
    “It was important for us to get a goal because obviously we haven’t scored this year, so to get two goals was a nice bonus.”

    Is he serious?!?!
    That’s the most pathetic, stupid, mediocre, unambitious statement I think I have heard yet from him!!

    A cup game against a team 3 divisions below us, we perform SHAMBOLLICALLY and scrape a win and he says getting 2 goals against this side is a bonus!?!?!

    Unbelievable.

  • 21 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    It is very discourteous and a sign of arrogance. Pardew is no better a person then the Shrimps manager because he plies his trade in the EPL. I was embarrassed with his action’s. He represents NUFC, he need’s to remember that. Also, it was hard to judge which team was the EPL side at times last night which leads me to believe that the shrimps man is doing a fine job. Give your head a wobble Pardew.

  • 22 aidytoon9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    How would Anita feel if cabs starts on sat?
    I would be straight in pards office.

  • 23 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    If we beat Fulham on Saturday it’ll be our first home win since we beat…….. Fulham (146 days earlier) #nufc

  • 24 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    Ruddy…I cannot speak for everyone, but as I told TS a few days ago I think some have an unhealthy attitude towards Mike Ashley; I don’t like him either, but blaming him for things just because it’s perceptible he would do it is not right in my book!

    …these are all grown men we are talking about and as such should be accountable for their actions – Cabaye is a big boy and the blame should definitely be on him shoulders.

    It’s not an attitude of an professional footballer.

  • 25 Belfast // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Arsenal have signed Flamini today, so I doubt they will be back with another offer.

  • 26 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Jesper

    You could be putting blame on his shoulders that is not his blame to bear, in the same manner that you think I could be putting blame on Ashley that is not his to bear. The trouble is, we do not know the facts. We’ve been fed a line from Lee Ryder and Alan Oliver that Cabaye refused to play. The club haven’t said that, Cabaye hasn’t said that so why are we to take it as fact?

    I despise and detest journalists which is why I will never believe anything they write without scrutinising it first, if it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny in light of the facts, which this story does not, then I will not believe it.

  • 27 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    Toon1978

    Disgraceful attitude by Pardew, I don’t like people who rip into everything he does, but not showing courtesy to a fellow manager, even if they were in non-league football, is a sign of what sort of man he is.

  • 28 dubzy // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    Lewis Holtby allowed to leave on loan….there you go joe on a plate 4 u

  • 29 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Ruddy…of course we don’t know the full extend of it all, but going by Pardew’s interview – at least give him the benefit of a doubt – wouldn’t you say I looks as though Cabaye didn’t want to play?

  • 30 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Are we seriously questioning Pardew’s etiquette?,get a life ffs.

  • 31 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Wiz

    The man is in it for the money and the money alone. Heard rumours that he was simply trying to flip the club for a profit when he first bought it, but the fact the club wasn’t in as healthy a shape as he thought it was prevented him from doing that.

    His first mistake was buying the club, we needed a buyer as Shepherd was leading us into the mire and the only semi-decent thing he has done is helping the financial side of the club, but now that we’re in a better financial position now is the time to kick on, but his reluctance to do that is indicative of a man who is trying to recoup the money he put into the club so he can make a hasty exit, which is fine by me, so long as it doesn’t lead to another relegation.

    Mike will be gone within 3 years in my opinion, and it will be a painful 3 years of mediocrity until he does.

  • 32 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Reading on Twitter that Ba has ruled out a move to NUFC despite the imminent arrival of Eto.

  • 33 Wiz // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Toon Darn Sarf – I do hope you’re not under the impression that anything anyone writes on Ed’s blog is going to change anything, or that anyone really thinks it will. Rants do make the ranter feel better, and that is what a blog is for. It’s not going to change Mike Ashley’s modus operandi. Neither will the Fans’ Forum. Ashley selling up might make a difference, but we might get someone worse. Changing the rules might make a difference, but I don’t think Manchester United and Chelsea would allow themselves to be hemmed in by rules that level up the playing field, and in the end they can take their ball away. This of course is a symptom of the power of capital which you seem to favour. Even American sport is run in a more egalitarian fashion than European sport. Football might implode, but it won’t change. Not until it has to.

  • 34 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Mojo

    Yes, don’t like it, don’t read it.

  • 35 dubzy // Aug 29, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    I dont see y we dont raid spurs for sum of there players ..Lennon,defoe,dembele there all gunna find it hard getting in there team now

  • 36 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Jesper

    Pardew has only said that Cabaye wasn’t in the “right frame of mind” he never once said that Cabaye refused to play.

    Also, since when can we believe what Pardew says? After all, he is the mouthpiece of the club.

  • 37 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    Well said 😉

  • 38 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Ruddy
    I will read and comment on whatever i like,stop nitpicking you girl,this isn’t cricket we are playing.It’s a working class game.

  • 39 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    dubzy

    We should raid them for Sigurdson.

  • 40 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Toon 1978
    What do Ruddy’s underpants taste like?

  • 41 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    MrMojoRisin76

    It used to be a working class game. The working class can’t afford Football nowadays.

  • 42 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    In just the same fashion, I will read and comment on whatever i like – which at this moment in time is Pardew’s discourtesy to another manager. Make your displeasure known, if need be, it is noted and instantaneously ignored.

  • 43 dubzy // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    Yohan Cabaye not in french squad ,Mmmm. Good

  • 44 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    Oh Mojo, very childish indeed.

  • 45 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    MrMojoRisin76

    They taste like you knickers 😉

  • 46 Douglas // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    I hope Cabaye is sold next summer.

  • 47 Wiz // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    Ruddy – totally right. The rumour you mention is more than that, I think. He couldn’t flip the club because there was a hundred million quid outstanding on a mortgage from the ground purchase. The only thing stopping him selling the club is the fact that until the loan is paid off the asking price has to be higher than the market value. Ashley is gambling that he can pay off the loan and be a brilliant businessman, all rough and tough but also making a bigger profit than any other football owner, while staying in the Premier League and pulling in the ackers. I agree he will sell in the short-term. If he wants to stay in football he will do so in Glasgow.

  • 48 wolfshead@toon // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    cant wait for tues let the hate fest/ riots begin :-)

  • 49 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Dubzy

    Dembele is one of their main men, will definitely be getting plenty of game time, Paulinho will need time to settle and Sandro is still injured I think. It’s their AMs who we need to be going in for, Holtby, Sigurdsson etc

  • 50 tom68 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Mojo

    Spoken like the arrogant pr-ck that you are. P-ss off the grown ups are talking

  • 51 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Ruddy…from what I can read it sounds like Pardew have told Cabaye he expect him to play against Fulham!

    I will give Pardew the benefit of a doubt 😉

    How do you read that interview?

  • 52 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    Ruddy
    How can you have ignored my comment when you replied to it?,i hate to do this to a fellow QOTSA fan but needs must.I do not like your arrogance and will put you in your place when i see fit.

  • 53 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    Ruddy @8
    I’m interested in our transfers, same as you. You think last Jnuary was to make up for errors/omissions in the previous summer. The club claim January’s signings were this summer’s signings brought forward : clearly there’s a difference of opinion here, but, I’m afraid, claiming your interpretation as “reality” is, unfortunately, a delusion. You may be right, you may be wrong, but claiming your interpretation to be “reality” is incorrect. The club (who know what’s going on) are as entitled to claim their view as “reality” as you are. It is, of course, possible you know more about the club’s intentions than the club itself, but I won’t suggest you are so far delusional as to actually believe that.

    You are perfectly entitled to your opinion. You have no justification whatsoever for claiming it is “reality”.

    Yours in good faith,
    HWTL

  • 54 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    Chelsea sign Eto for one year.

  • 55 outsidethebox // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    im not a fan of pardew but he is at least trying to tell fans how it is …..jfk is keeping his head down after realising that actions will speak louder than words …cashley never says nothing …if by tues there has been no additions to a squad that has been weakened …support the team on the pitch.and hammer cashley and his ” dof ” off it ….
    demonstrations at st james will only have effect of hitting the team ….hit ashley where it hurts his pockets

  • 56 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    tom68
    Go and boil your head.

  • 57 Wiz // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    9, Ruddy can speak for himself, of course, but I think he was saying that January’s signings needed to have been made the previous summer, and therefore can be discounted when it comes to signings in the current year. They should be regarded as having been late, and not early, and I would agree, wouldn’t you?

  • 58 valle // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    The fact that some fans think that the reason Cabs is not playing is because they are protecting their assett really shows how deluded football fans can be. You would rather lie to yourself and blame it all on Ashley and face the truth, that your little spoiled hero just dosnt fancy playing because he has his eye on something better. Dechamps has slated him and so has the media. Pardew has said how he has refused to play and yet while all of those things were said did he bother to come out and defend his honour… Why? Because he refused to play, so get over it.

  • 59 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    Wiz

    I’d be very annoyed if he still asks for way more than market value even after the loan is paid off, or a significant chunk of it is. He’s asking for 265m from what I gather, which is significantly more than what the club is worth at this moment in time.

    He isn’t here long term, if he was I think he’d be looking to make us more competitive, it could end up being a shrewd move on his part, but will be very painful to watch as a Newcastle United fan, but if the end goal is his departure from the club, I will begrudgingly accept it, so long as we remain in the PL.

  • 60 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    Lol, the knives are flying today.

  • 61 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Wiz

    Favour capitalism? Not really…but in the absence of anything else that has a realistic change of working it’s all we’ve got. People are greedy, that’s an inherent part of humanity sadly and the same goes for football.

    As football fans there is a rare breed who are happy to just be entertained, but there are many more who demand entertainment AND success, where progress means constantly doing better than the previous season and failure to do that is a disaster and requires someone to be sacked.

    Sadly we’re not offering entertainment OR success at the moment…

    All I want from supporting my club is entertainment and knowing that it contributes to the local community, that should be the whole point. If that means competing in a “devalued” Premier League while the top 4 got super-rich playing in a European League then so be it. I’m not interested in seeing what Chelski, City or Utd do really anyway.

  • 62 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    TBF, nobody knows the truth with the Cabaye situation.

  • 63 valle // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    it should say, “than face the truth”

  • 64 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    There is simply no reason for Ashley to sell the club unless he can make a profit or if he needs to cut his losses for some reason. He’s also not going to be welcomed back by the fans so not much point in him investing as a football person. We’re stuck with a businessman running the club until someone offers enough to buy it from him.

    I really hope we still sign a strike and replace Cabaye if he goes, but hopefully Ashley can also take a decent chunk of the profit to repay his loan and his asking price for the club will continue to come down…

  • 65 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    @MrMojo – You’re not putting anyone “in their place”. You just insulted people because you didn’t like what they were talking about, either state why you don’t like it or don’t bother.

  • 66 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Mojo

    Ignored in the sense that your dislike to what I am discussing has went straight over my head and has not impacted upon me at all. You have not, nor ever will, put me in my place. It is, in fact, arrogant of you to assume you have a right to do that.

    9

    My assertions are based on what the club has needed in terms of transfers from a fan’s perspective, not intended to be fact. The club may only have intended to purchase these players this summer, but my view is they SHOULD have been purchased last summer, meaning, as Wiz correctly states, that they are late signings and not early signings.

    Valle

    Where does Pardew say Cabaye has refused to play?

  • 67 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Ruddy…have you moved to Newcastle yet

    ….where are you going to be living in – in the City or at a Campus?

  • 68 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Will be over in about 3 weeks time, I’d tell you where I’m moving but there are a few unhinged people on this site that would like to track me down 😉 haha

  • 69 Hebburn Mag // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    I think we need to realise that were not a club that can keep hold of its top players anymore. We scout players who are decent (Cabaye, Ba, Carroll, Jose Enrique) for example, and then after a few good seasons when bids come in for them we give in and sell. Once players realise that there’s better clubs interested in them they’ll do anything leave. We should know by now that it would take a hell of a lot to get them to stay and just go all out to get the best fee possible for the player and let them leave whilst reinvesting the money back into the squad, to help us improve the squad and move us that step forward.

  • 70 valle // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    Ruddy… He makes it bloody obvious without trying to damage the player to much, as it is he might have to play in front of the NUFC supporters you know. Does he really have to cut it out in cardboard for you? He even says in this interview that he “expect him to play this weekend” DO you really think that is normal procedure. As I said, Cabs international future is on the line over this and yet he aint defending himself, that should tell you something… But hey, if you prefer to give yourself the sweet little lies about conspiracy theories then go right ahead.

  • 71 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    Ruddy…haha 😀

    …that’s alright mate!

  • 72 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    Hebburn

    Tottenham Hotspurs are the living example of a club who reinvest whatever money comes in for their players, for example, the fees they received for Berbatov, Keave, Modric and now Bale is being used to transform them from perennial top 4 challengers to genuine contenders to break the top 4 and maybe even push on even more.

    We do not operate like that, we reinvest a portion of any money that comes in, and we haggle and dilly dally and eventually get no one in, leaving our squad weaker without the requisite replacements, and our fans and other players frustrated at having lost a quality player with no proper plan in place to replace them.

  • 73 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    Gonufc
    I don’t think i insulted anybody,i may have mentioned the word”girl” but that is not exactly hardcore,i see people slating Pardew because of his tactics and such and that is fine but to criticize him for poor etiquette is a joke.

  • 74 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    @Hebburn – so a pure selling club? You’re right I suppose, as irritating as it is. I mean Pardew keeps repeating how we are “not in that bracket” and that we do “well to keep our best players”. All I ask is that when the players are sold we use ALL of the money and do absolutely EVERYTHING in their power to sign quality replacements asap. But even that seems too much to ask of this crew.

  • 75 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Hi Wiz @57
    Clearly our January signings can be interpreted either way. Quite a bit of info persuades me the club’s view is the more accurate one. Everybody knows we signed one main player only (Anita) last summer, though Bigi was also a smart signing. Everybody also seems to agree that’s why the team who finished 5th, plummeted to 16th, because squad was not strong enough to handle the extra pressure of Euro.

    I’ve never agreed with this view. I’ve also never agreed with the view it was down to injuries. I’ve also never agreed with the view it’s because our amnager is useless.

    My view is: all these things may have a part to play, but what I saw with my own eyes is that a huge proportion of our 2011-12 stars vastly underperformed their previous form in 2012-13. Why this is, I have no idea, but I do not subscribe to the views mentioned above (which seem to me to be universally agreed by everyone else(!))

    The reason I mention this as regards this summer’s tranfers is, we had a squad finished 5th. We carefully added one first-teamer – so, in a very modest way, we strengthened (I do not think those players leaving were genuinely first-teamers – Best, Lover, Guthrie) call me stupid if you like, but that was my thinking. Then we got into great trouble and the owner reacted by signing 5 players (far more than any other premier team) in January – bringing them forward from this summer because of the nightmare threat of relegation. Hence, I think we did all our summer 2013 business in January, save one, who is now with us.

    So, with the best will in the world, I do believe the clubs interpetation above that of friend Ruddy, but thank you for the courtesy of a thoughtful comment.

  • 76 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    Valle

    So in answer to my question….he doesn’t say Cabaye had refused to play and you are reading between the lines to conclude that Cabaye has refused to play, whereas I am reading between the lines to conclude that he hasn’t refused to play.

    The truth is, that neither of us know the truth, so how am I deluding myself while you are speaking sense, when the reality could quite plausibly be the other way around?

  • 77 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    9

    Good to know we’re friends though 😉

  • 78 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    @Mojo – right, because you came in, stated your rational objections and waited for a reply…..

  • 79 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Jesper

    If you ever make it over you’ll have a place to stay but I’d have to put a bag over your head so you don’t know the precise location….can never be too careful 😛 haha

  • 80 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    9

    The club explained its position, they are quite entitled to do so.

    I however, disagreed with the club’s position and state that those players should have been signed 6 months prior to that as they were badly needed.

    The club also only stated that Gouffran and Sissoko were brought forward, almost conceding that the signings of Debuchy and M’biwa were late signings, demonstrated by our drawn out pursuit of Debuchy last summer, he was hardly an early signing was he?

  • 81 LooneyToon41 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    @75. 9 – I totally agree with you on this one, and yes it’s just an opinion.
    The ‘only’ flaw i see in your/our argument is the incremental additional revenues that NUFC are now receiving from TV/Wonga deals.
    However, i’m sure Mr Irving would have factored these monies into the budget.
    We don’t know if MA is determined to recover the lost cash from relegation, it’s all guesswork.

    Whether we spent wisely in January is up for debate, but spend we did, unlike the teams ‘around us’ who are spending more this window.

  • 82 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    Gonufc
    I think i did that in posts 30 and 38.

  • 83 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    9

    I find myself in the odd position of pretty much agreeing with Ruddy…shocking…

    I think MYM and Debuchy were both held back from the Summer which helped contribute to the mess that we found ourselves in. Goofy and Sissoko were lined up to be free transfers this summer and Haidara is the kind of young player that we should be signing frequently to push the first team.

    So really we signed Debuchy to replace Simpson and we have Goofy and Remy to add to the attacking options. But we know that we are still light a big strong number 9 style striker. Carroll would have done that job but he was too expensive for his record (injury and performance), Ba should never have left and we haven’t got Gomis yet.

    So…if we do sign that big strong striker, then I’ll say that we’re where we should be this summer.

    Then of course Cabaye leaves and we have no creativity…bugger…

  • 84 Hebburn Mag // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    @gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) – Obviously we’d like to keep our best players if possible but as long as the money made and every penny of it is reinvested into improving and moving the club forward then I don’t see what the problem is. Were always going to be a selling club under MA because now he is only interested in bringing in as much money as he can from the sale of players, merchandise, and ticket sales for himself , sad really, but the quicker he makes his money back and sells up the better for the club because at the end of the day, yes we have been made more financially stable as a club (which I think everyone is grateful for) but I wouldn’t say we’d improved much as a team. So the sooner MA makes his money back, sells up and we have an owner who is willing to do everything in their power to make the team a success on the pitch the better. After all NUFC deserve a million times more than what they have went through over the last few seasons. Fantastic fans, World class stadium and the potential to become one of the best clubs in the world. Here’s hoping anyway.

  • 85 Pokat // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    If we dont see any signings this window it will mean that we weren’t intending to get anyone. You can tell by Mr Pardew’s furrowed brow that he has been told to make what he can out of the players already bought for him. His neck is on the block.

    Just so you know, in the Morecambe game I did not see anything different about our ‘prospects’ that I didn’t already know. Everyone played exactly as predicted, the same as they did before. Nothing special to see there.

  • 86 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Do people realise that we haven’t got the increased TV money yet? That will be due at the end of the season. I certainly hope that we have some money to spend this summer (I’m not including selling Cabaye here either), but we know that MA doesn’t want to buy players with money that the club doesn’t have so talking about revenue that we won’t have until next year isn’t relevant.

  • 87 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    @Mojo – “get a life” and “stop nitpicking you girl” are your version of stating your rational problems to something? Classy.

  • 88 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    We don’t reinvest every penny made from transfers, that’s the problem.

    TDS

    Don’t you go and be making a habit of agreeing with me, it makes me uneasy 😛

  • 89 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Mojo

    Just you go and think about what you’ve done. You’ve let everyone on the blog down, but more importantly, you’ve let yourself down. You think about that mister.

  • 90 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    I’ve also noticed a growing trend of bloggers,blaming Pardew for players playing badly,Vukic had a bad game,it’s Pardews fault,Marveaux had a bad game,it’s Pardew’s fault.Debuchy had a bad game,it’s Pardews fault.If you are saying theses things you are deluded.

  • 91 JaxtheMag // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    we have spent nowt, and pardews pleading hard up, where has our money gone, our team is nowhere good enough. the fat get.

  • 92 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    Vuckic and Marveaux had terrible games, solely on them. Debuchy looks excellent for France and terrible for us? Well…it wasn’t the fairies what did it.

  • 93 lesh // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    C’mon Ed, just because you guys are up at 3am to write blogs (now that’s what I call dedication Ed, we owe you lots of thanks), we can’t expect a director such as Kinnear to work 24/7.

    3am’s probably not even on his watch and of course we forget, he’s a lot on his plate at the moment. He’ll have to pack his things to relocate to Tyneside!

    In regard to Pardew’s words ‘and we will hopefully add one or two.’ those from a man whom Kinnear had said agreed that the squad was good enough to get us to 10th! Or could have confused this summer with last?

    Kinnear’s behaviours hardly inspire confidence in him!

  • 94 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    Gonufc
    What am i not being clear about when i say “are we seriously questioning Pardew’s etiquette”? and “This is not cricket,it’s a working class game”?

  • 95 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    @Hebburn – I was agreeing with you before. I find it unsettling that teams like Norwich, Swansea, Southampton (though they have a rich owner) etc. are spending money yet we aren’t. We’ll be getting the same TV money and presumably more from gate receipts and sponsors than them so what is going on?

    I wish Ashley would just come out and state he won’t spend a penny as he wants it for himself or that we have tried to spend but are too incompetent to even spend money.

    If he’d just tell us the situation and stop all these false media reports (E.g. the insulting SD Rooney article) then we could just stop wondering.

  • 96 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Ruddy

    Don’t worry, I’m pretty confident I won’t make a habit of it!

    Not reinvesting every penny from transfers isn’t the problem, it’s the reality. If we’d been run more sensibly in the past and hadn’t wasted so much money on players with little resale value (especially those like Owen, Duff, Marcelino, Luque etc.) then we wouldn’t have so much debt and we could spend more money.

    We are where we are and much as I don’t like many things that MA is doing with the club, I can’t blame him for wanting to get his money back.

  • 97 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Ruddy
    Come on man,i know you are better than that.That is something Indian would say.

  • 98 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    Ruddy @80
    Once you’re saying these players “should” have been brought in early, you’re accepting this is an opinion, rather than your previous claim of “reality”so, fair enough, you may be right in that opinion. Debuchy is a very interesting case in point. As you and I are both aware, he was a target in summer 2012 and did not arrive until Jan 2013 ( I agree, in no way a forward signing). But he came, at our owner’s evaluation. Something partly similar applies to Remy. And I have little doubt, the same scenario is currently unfolding re Gomis. Our owner plays hardball. He will never give in to last-minute surcharges/agent’s cuts etc. Other owners have not yet realised this, and think they can out-do MA in a deal. They can’t, and never will. The idiot in charge of Debuchy’s club eventually sold us Debuchy on MA’s terms. The same thing is happening with Gomis. Their owner thought, all NUFC transfer team are here, they are committed, I’ll cream an extrs £200,000 because there’s no way they’re all going to come here and leave empty-handed for such a trivial proportion of the money we’re talking about. Wrong, matey. I would hate to play poker opposite our owner. If this keeps happening, other owners will realise he means what he says. If once he gives in, he loses all credibility. He won’t ever give in, once, and if that means NUFC have to go short of one player for a few months, he doesn’t care. It will rebound in NUFC’s interest in the long term, without doubt. My view is, our owner os a smart operator (who made huge blunders in his new field as footlabll club owner – don’t worry, he learns quick, I reckon!)

  • 99 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    Mojo

    I was stirring the pot I must admit, Debuchy just needs to settle in the league, although better defensive coaching would benefit both Santon and Debuchy tremendously.

  • 100 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    @Mojo – Basically, you weren’t exactly endearing yourself to people from the start were you?

    But maybe state why people shouldn’t expect standards of respect from the manager? Or why you apparently have to be rich to treat a lower league manager with respect?

    (By the way, I’m not actually agreeing with their points from before, I didn’t see it but it doesn’t sound like he did much wrong- why you had to come out all guns blazing to “put people in their place” for that I don’t know).

  • 101 Slank // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    Ruddy @ 88

    Money made from players sold goes into the revenue pot that keeps the club afloat. It isn’t ring fenced.

  • 102 Hebburn Mag // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    @gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) – Totally agree. Quite embarrassing that we’ve got clubs like Norwich, Southampton, Swansea and even Sunderland out spending us with the likes of Norwich and Southampton actually bringing in quality players aswell, only players that we could dream of having in our squad at the moment (Osvaldo, Van Wolfswinkle, Leroy Fer, Wanyama. But lets all hope that even if it is a couple of new players we do bring in a 1 or 2 hopefully 3 fresh faces into the squad before the deadline.

  • 103 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Ruddy
    I agree 100%.We have the Enrique blue print though,bad 1st season great after he settled.Not going to work all the time but it gives me hope.

  • 104 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    9

    I make my opinions strongly, which is why they perhaps sound like I portray them as reality, but I do think the notion that these were forward signings is a smokescreen to try and improve the image of the management structure of the club, rather than the reality that was playing out.

    Given Simmo got injured last season and we suffered greatly from a shuffled back 4 at the start of last season, I don’t think the Debuchy transfer saga did us any favours in terms of results, and it also meant Debuchy had 4 months less to settle in, a transition he is still making which has spilled over into this season.

    He is protecting his own reputation as a tough negotiator, which is all well and good, if someone is playing hard ball you walk away and move on to your next target, however, we never do have another target, so the result is that we have to do without that essential signing for 4 months, which by that time, could see your side in a difficult position in the league, trying to play catch up as well as bleed new players into a squad low in confidence.

    It is my opinion that all signings should be made in the summe, to allow a full pre season to gel. January should be a window to touch up any weaknesses in the squad due to injury etc

  • 105 Pokat // Aug 29, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Pardew cant be blamed for indvidual players’ performances. But he can for the teams’ especially if its a long-term problem. Because then he hasn’t got his eye on training/fitness/tactics/player acquisition. Thats his job to oversee such stuff, and flag up if it goes wrong. I think he did that and Ashley said righto, here’s half a dozen players you wanted. I dont think he will get much more until he starts getting a winning pattern together.

  • 106 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Hebburn @84
    “Were always going to be a selling club under MA”

    MA sold Carroll for an unbelievably impossible colossal sum of £35m – nobody else would have held out for so much, nobody on the planet could say no to that deal.

    That, as I see it, is a total count of 1 sold.
    A selling club??

  • 107 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    *summer

  • 108 Rotonda heights // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Pardew exerting pressure hahahahahahahahaha

  • 109 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Carroll, Enrique, Demba Ba, Nolan and possibly Cabaye.

    While there are extenuating circumstances in the cases of Carroll, Ba and Nolan, the sales of both Enrique and Cabaye have very much to do with the owner’s lack of ambition for the club.

    Cabaye could very much be the blueprint for Mike Ashley’s way of making his money back and be the first “buy low sell high”

  • 110 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Gonufc
    Forgive me,sometimes when i respond to things i don’t agree with i can come across a bit “Twatish”,i kind of get caught up with the 1-up manship that is engrained in the blog.Most of the time i will go into great detail with my posts.

  • 111 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    Oh, and Enrique wanted out, irrespective of owner or anything else. Have I missed anyone else? (Ben Arfa, Tiote, Cabaye, so far, athough see ref to Enrique, Krul, Cisse? Nope, he doesn’t seem to have sold any of these as yet.Obviously Ba was a unique contract) A selling club?

  • 112 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    9

    Disagree that Enrique wanted out regardless of owner, he wanted his career to progress and didn’t see Newcastle United as a vehicle for this progression. He was right.

  • 113 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    Yup, I missed Nolan. We both know why Nolan/Barton clique had to go. Did he sell Nolan to make a profit, as “selling clubs” do ? You tell me. Similarly, Barton “released”: “selling club”??

  • 114 Slank // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    All clubs are ‘selling clubs’.

    If there weren’t there would be no buying !

  • 115 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    We aren’t a selling club in the sense that we have a conveyor belt, but the intention of buying low is so that we can significantly raise the value of our players with the intention of selling them on for a high mark up.

    That sort of policy takes a few years to implement, Cabaye’s sale could be the fruition of this policy.

  • 116 Slank // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    Hepburn @ 102

    ‘Quite embarrassing that we’ve got clubs like Norwich, Southampton, Swansea and even Sunderland out spending us ‘

    They have also spent more than Arsenal, ManU and Everton. Are the clubs you mentioned going to finish above Arsenal, ManU and Everton?

  • 117 Rotonda heights // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Pokat

    Exactly. It’s on record we have the 7th most expensive squad in the division. The SIX players in Jan and Ba’s replacement Remy now didn’t just magic themselves here.

    We can blame Ashley for many things but as usual Pardew has managed to deflect all blame and expectations elsewhere.

    Ash probably sees the likes of Anita, Marveaux, Obertan and others not getting games and thinks do something with those first before sanctioning more signings.

  • 118 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Ruddy @112
    Enrique very interesting to me: as you will recall, a previous manager signed him for a huge fee (£7m) and put him in the reserves for a year till he got ready for Premier League. He then became first team and performed superbly. He was in Premier League but not, as yet Champions League nor Spanish international – these are the things he, quite rightly, desired. Neither of these things have anything to do with MA. Nobody could give him these things at NUFC. I like Enrique, admire his skill, admire his ambition. Please do not attempt to distort these issues by blaming his (cheap) sell on MA’s desire to be a selling club.

  • 119 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Pardew is not being blamed for everything. What a crock of sh1te. I happen to think Ashley is hanging him out to dry. That does not take away the fact that Pardew’s tactics are bloody woeful. Pardew need’s to grow some testiculars and challenge Mike Ashley. After all, it is his head on the line when things go wrong. He should be DEMANDING investment but Pardew is a coward. He is afraid to lose his job. We all know we need a striker and a winger or two but M.Ashley will not spend money. It’s as simple as that. NUFC supporters have been taken for granted for years upon years and nothing changes. M.Ashley has the third largest gate in the EPL but he is the worst spender in the EPL. I am sorry, i can’t defend Ashley for his greed. I can’t defend Pardew for being a pussy. If you disagree then fair enough, we are all entitled to our opinions.

  • 120 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    And, despie all my posts above, I fully accept our owner will sell any player at a profit. I’m just looking at what has actuallyy happened, which is that he has bought far better players than he’s sold. This, at least, is indisputable.

  • 121 Hebburn Mag // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    9 – The £35M for Carroll was a colossal sum of money for him don’t get me wrong, but did we really have to sell him, no we didn’t. We didn’t have to sell Nolan but we did. We didn’t have to sell Jose Enique but we did. If a club bids good money for Cabaye, Krul, Ben Arfa, Santon ect then we will sell for sure. The quote from Pardew that every player has his price is proof that we are a selling club.

  • 122 Slank // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Ruddy @ 115

    The club’s policy is to buy players with a good resale value. Cabaye is a prime example of this.

    ……Why should fans be surprised?

    The club’s policy is also to be self financing?

    …..Why should fans be surprised that it will not spend money that it doesn’t have?

  • 123 Rotonda heights // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    He’s never been my favourite but I thought second half Sammy played like a man possessed and when it’s your day it really is with the goal he scored the icing.

    Good also impressed with a lot of calmness and composure on the ball and unlike Saylor and Willo looked to bring the ball out rather than hoof it. Bigi also looked good under pressure.

  • 124 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Toon @118
    Pardew is employed by Ashley. I know you understand this. By what distortion of reality do you expect a man to say publically his boss is wrong? I don’t know your position, but if you have ever been an employee (like Pardew and 99% of bloggers here, and in the rest of the world) you do not normally invite the sack. This is what the rest of the world understands implicitly. Over to you, sir…….

  • 125 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    9

    Let’s call a spade a spade, Enrique was p*ss poor in his first season at NUFC.

    He, like Colo, drastically improved when we spent a season in the Championship, and following promotion they carried this good form into the PL. Enrique has not achieved an international call up, never mind a cap, nor has he achieved Champions League football, he stated he wanted to leave for a club that was consistently challenging for top 6.

    With a more ambitious owner, who was willing to invest in the growth of this football club, we would consistently be challenging top 6, how you can say it has nothing to do with the owner is beyond me.

    NB – I am not stating Enrique as an example of the “selling club” mentality, Cabaye would be the first example of that.

  • 126 Jail for Ashley // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    9,
    You are insinuating that our owner has some amazing masterplan rather than a guy with his eye on the big money who is simply making it up as he goes along, how do you know unless of course you have inside information that Debuchy was brought in on our terms rather than the terms being offered in January, and even if a half a million was saved, considering the fact that we very nearly went down which I don’t think would have happened had he and two others been brought in during the summer, was that half a million worth it not only in prize money but the negative press such a dire season brings, you talk about the long term benefits of this hardball stance where as I can see that players might turn us down because once they agree to join us they know they are in for a torturous few months while a couple of hunded K is haggled with, defend Mashleys policies all you like but I believe you are fast becoming a minority.

  • 127 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Ruddy…good to know mate 😉

    …though I am getting a bit worried with the bag and all that lol

  • 128 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Arsenal have sold RvP, Fabregas, Song and others because they wanted to leave.

    Spurs have sold Modric, Berbatov, Keane and others for the same reason.

    Liverpool have sold Meireles, Alonso and Mascherano too.

    Are they selling clubs?

  • 129 Slank // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    Hebburn Mag @120

    ‘..The quote from Pardew that every player has his price is proof that we are a selling club..’

    That is the club’s policy to buy players with a sell on value. Pardew is only reiterating what that policy is. Buying and selling players is an integral part of the finances that keeps the club afloat.

  • 130 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    Slank

    Very few successful clubs are self financing, and the few that are have colossal revenue streams when it comes to sponsorship, in order to achieve our goals of being self financing we need to raise revenue elsewhere, ie through player sales.

    I’m not surprised at this fact, merely underwhelmed by it. A self sustained football club sounds peachy in theory, but unless you have big revenue streams, you’re going to have to save money by paying low wages, buying low and selling high, which is incredibly exciting for a businessman, but very deflating for the fans of said football club.

  • 131 Rotonda heights // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    78

    If Llambias had somehow sneaked in a colossal 8 year deal through under your nose based on 1 good season and you were then stuck with a mediocre manager who wouldn’t walk despite coming 16th I think I’d be tempted to hang him out to dry.

    Trouble is instead of JFK being the tool (literally) to get rid of pardew we now have 2 problems where before we only had 1 dinosaur. Not Ash’s finest hour and he doesn’t seem to be winning this particular battle with Pardew yet.

  • 132 Slank // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    9 @ 123

    Lovely, so true !!

  • 133 Hebburn Mag // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Yes every club is in a sense a selling club but just when we start to get the basis of a team we sell. Nolan, Carroll and Enrique were examples of that and have we replaced them, Carroll with Ba yes but Ba with anyone, No. Nolan with Cabaye but when Cabaye goes will he be replaced, probably not. We need to be keeping our best players not selling them. Look at Spurs, there has been interest for Bale but its only taken until now for him to leave. (so it looks like) and that is because every time a team has com in for him they have been told flat that he’s not for sale an the same goes for Rooney, Fellani and Baines.

  • 134 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    9

    Pardew’s head is on the block when things go wrong. As for me, i am an Engineer. If i do not have the tools available to do the job to my best ability, i tell my gaffer he need’s to buy the tooling. If he does not then he can’t expect a great finish on a piece of steel i have machined. This is the same principle as Mr Pardew. Have the balls to tell Ashley that we need the correct tools so to speak to do a good job. Blunt sh1te tools, you get a bad piece of work, rubbish Footballers, you end up in the CC.

  • 135 Yorkgeordie // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    All this ‘did he didn’t he’ refuse to play is academic isn’t it? If he plays against Fulham, has a blinder, and we win, who the hell cares.

  • 136 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Think we’re all getting bogged down with the semantics of “selling club” what would be more appropriate is that some fans think we are becoming a conveyor belt club, buying low, developing them and then shipping them on for a huge profit.

    While there is little tangible proof that this is the case, I would like to reiterate that this kind of policy requires a few seasons to make it work, and Cabaye being sold would be demonstrative of such a policy, especially in light of Pardew is constantly saying “we don’t want to sell our top player but we can’t compete…”

  • 137 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Hebburn @120
    No, we didn’t have to sell Andy Carroll. But we got offered big money, and said “No”; then we got offered even bigger money, and even then, still said, “No”; then finally, crazy Kenny in his dotage, having just received £50m from Abramovich, felt able to offer £35m. Nobody – and I mean this quite literally – nobody in their right mind thinks that Carroll was worth £35m ( In fact, he was even injured at the time, so how they spirited him through his medical is a further miracle, emphasising how unreal the whole business was): so PLEASE don’t spout “We didn’t have to sell Carroll”. This was, truly, the deal of the century.
    FWIW, I’m a huge Carroll fan and wish he played for us (but I would not have said no to £35m!!!)

  • 138 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Ruddy

    It isn’t just about selling them at a profit, it’s about increasing the assets for NUFC which in turn increases the valuation put on the club. There’s no point in having a bunch of £15M players that are now over 30 because when the accountants look at the club, they will value the playing staff at virtually nothing.

    According to transfermarkt.co.uk, our squad is worth £150M right now. That doesn’t fully take into account players that are in the last year of their contract but since most of ours are on long-term contracts it’s a pretty good figure. Add the value of any other assets, take into consideration appreciation/devaluation of the assets over time and factor in revenue, profits etc. and that will conjure up a figure of what the club is actually worth as a business.

    I’m not a multi-million pound businessman (yet!) so I don’t know how to calculate it but I do know that it plays a big part.

  • 139 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Rotonda heights

    I am having a go at both M.Ashley and A.Pardew. I am not defending either of these inept idiots.

  • 140 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    I personally think that very few of our main players will be at the club in 3 years time, this is only an opinion of course.

    But I do think we will see the sales of HBA, Sissoko, Cisse, M’biwa, Tiote et al in the next few years.

  • 141 Slank // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    Ruddy @ 129

    Yep, you are absolutely right.

    The fans primary objective is not necessarily the owners primary objective. He has said that he will not bankroll the club. It has to pay for itself and all means possible (including buying and selling players) will be used to achieve that objective.

    Why the fans don’t get this is beyond me.

  • 142 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Hebburn

    I don’t agree with your point on the basis that I fully expect Baines and possibly Fellaini to leave this transfer window. Plus, I’m sure there have been enquiries in the past regarding some of our top players but the price has been too high and the player hasn’t been willing to force through a move.

    Yes, we need to keep our best players and I hope we can keep Cabaye, but we can’t keep them forever and if they don’t play well for us, we may as well just take the money.

  • 143 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Slank

    They get it, they just don’t like it, and quite frankly, neither do I.

  • 144 Yorkgeordie // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    Ruddy @139
    very few footballers stay at a club for more than a few years anyway, so this wouldn’t surprise anybody

  • 145 Rotonda heights // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    someone read my mind, we should be targetting the player Arsenal want as an alternative back up to Cabaye.

    http://footylatest.com/arsenal-and-newcastle-united-battling-it-out-for-signature-of-french-international/48507?

  • 146 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Serious signs here, chaps, of bloggers having a civilised discussion while expressing differing opinions. Hugely welcome in view of the incessant vitriol spent by some NUFC bloggers on anyone who dares not to share their own pet prejudices (inevitably, negative prejudices).
    Long may it last (or am I being naively optimistic?)

    Thought Sammy was outstanding, must make the line-up on Saturday, Good and Dummet I liked, seroulsly disappointed in Bigi and Marv, and Vucic neither here nor there on the night. Yanga’Mwiba also very disappointing.

  • 147 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Ruddy

    Take a look at Spurs’ squad 3 years ago. According to Wikipedia, the most used squad in 2010-11 was:
    Heurelho Gomes
    Alan Hutton
    Michael Dawson
    William Gallas
    Benoît Assou-Ekotto
    Aaron Lennon
    Luka Modri?
    Wilson Palacios
    Gareth Bale
    Rafael van der Vaart
    Peter Crouch

    Modric, Bale and VdV were excellent players for Spurs and it looks like they’re all going to be done.

    The squad now looks much better, but they finished in 5th place that season and 5th place last season too I believe…

  • 148 geordie157 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Norwich closing on Troisi, i’d forgotten about him

  • 149 Slank // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    Ruddy @ 142

    I understand what you are saying but Ashley is going to protect his money, as would anybody.

  • 150 Hebburn Mag // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    Yes we cant keep players forever constantly selling and never replacing is not the way forward.

  • 151 Rotonda heights // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    78

    I think the trouble is that carr has scouted some very good technical flair players but pardew is much happier with workaday journeymen in his own image a la perch etc.

    The players we have now would probably be far happier with a Martinez / Hoddle type manager who would let them express themselves and play pass and move football which is anathema to Pardew.

  • 152 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Look at Chelsea’s squad, Liverpool’s, Arsenal’s, Manchester United’s, they’ve had a bedrock of players who have stayed at the club for a long time. That brings an aura of stability with it, of continuity, something we do not have as a football club, which in turn means we lack any sort of identity.

    We should have been building a team around Cabaye for him to be one of those players for us, but instead it looks like we’re shipping him out for a hefty profit. Given that this is what I feel the club intend to do with most of our squad I am not surprised, just disheartened.

  • 153 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Anyway, I’m off for a while chaps. Chat later.

  • 154 Harley // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Brilliant! Cabaye is back so well see sissokho on the wing or behind the striker. Because that works!!!!

  • 155 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    Ruddy

    Because those clubs have mostly been able to offer regular Champions League football. The one club that’s done that least (Liverpool) has a much bigger global presence than ours and the only players that have been there for a considerably long time would be Gerrard, their centre backs and Carragher (now retired). The rest of their players are relatively new.

    Our long-serving players would probably be Krul, Colo, Saylor and Ameobi. Sadly 2 of those are not of sufficient quality to be starting every game

  • 156 Toon1978 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Rotonda heights (150)

    I completely agree.

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  • 157 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Toon @133
    Good on yer’ mate, if you’re prepared to tell the gaffer the kit isn’t up to the job – this sounds like the salt of the earth guys the whole world needs. Just a thought, though: an engineer may not expect to be publically interviewed on his opinion; and, further, an engineer’s working parts are steel/electronics (I don’t know what branch you’re in) but, in any case, they do not read their engineer’s published views on their suitability for purpose. Mr A Pardew, and every premier league manager, is, thus, subject to massive pressures an engineer might never expect to encounter. Just saying……………..

  • 158 ToonDarnSarf // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Rotonda

    Except for the fact that we signed 2 attacking full-backs, a playmaker (Cabaye) and several more players who are best suited to playing the ball along the ground…as well as no big targetmen and no out and out wingers to ping the crosses in from the byline.

    We have signed players that should allow us to play dynamic stylish football so either:
    a) they aren’t good enough
    b) Pardew can’t get them to play well together
    c) we’re missing a crucial player or two
    d) a combination of the above

  • 159 Pushy Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Look what the mag threw up in a former life.

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 16, 2011 at 7:47 PM

    Wonder where the other neggars such as Angryman and Solano are? during the WINDOW you guys were all out in full force and it’s great to see them in hibernation now we’re doing well.

    Ashley is actually running the club well and in the long run I think many more will agree that instead of ruining our club he has saved it.

  • 160 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    Stefan Coerts ?@StefanCoerts 1m
    Toby Alderweireld has just told his agent to accept ANY incoming offer. #Messi #Balotelli #SuperSamaras

  • 161 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Ian

    I make no attempt to hide the fact that I once defended both Ashley and Pardew and that my opinion of Pardew changed during the season, and that my opinion of Ashley drastically changed when he decided to keep Pardew in charge.

    I’ll also be informing Ed that you have your multiple accounts back on again.

  • 162 Pushy Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    Ronnie Radke – Fairweather fans. … I am just a man. And I’m fingg tired of these fans. That expect me … I just wanna feel i’m worth it.

  • 163 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    Ian

    It’s very sad that you’ve actually researched into comments I made nearly 2 years ago to try and undermine me today.

    Of course the plan seemed to be working after we went on our best undefeated start to a Premier League season. You’re a very ill person if that is what you feel you need to be doing with your spare time, seek medical help.

  • 164 Ted Bundy // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Is this thing on….

  • 165 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    You really do have problems Ian. I’m not saying this in a hurtful manner, I am genuinely concerned about your fragile psyche that you feel the need to roll out these continuous multiple accounts to try and undermine me as well as pat yourself on the back.

  • 166 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Some good news:

    FULHAM will be without Maarten Stekelenburg, Kieran Richardson and Fernando Amorebieta for Saturday’s trip to Newcastle United.

    Transfer rumour:

    Arsenal and Newcastle United are reportedly involved in a vehement battle for St. Etienne midfielder Josuha Guilavogui, says The Daily Mail.

  • 167 Ted Bundy // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    The only whack-job here is the megalomaniac, Ruddy, talking to absent bloggers.

  • 168 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Right well no doubt I am going to be subjected to a torrent of abuse from Ian and his many faces if I stay here so adios people.

    Btw Carl, Pushy, Ted, Ian are all the same person.

  • 169 Quasimodo's tailor // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Oh dear, and everyone seemed to be getting on famously. Come on guys, it’s a blog – laugh things off instead of reaching for the handbags.

  • 170 Ibizatoon // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    Pushy…Many fans opinions have changed. It hasn’t happened over night, people feel they genuinely got it wrong when they supported the plan of Ashley. Have to say, it isn’t looking too good right now.

    Jesper…Arsenal and Newcastle? Bet that lad isn’t getting his hopes up about a move to the PL then :)

  • 171 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Evening Ibiza… haha 😉

    …no it wouldn’t be wise of him would it? Have you seen Arsenal have signed Flamini?

  • 172 scout // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Above comments on the club being run well are about as wide of the mark as a shola volley. They couldn’t run a bath, buying cheap players all the time. One or two are decent but some are terrible.
    I watched that game last night and we struggled to beat a close to non league team, and the celebrations after the first goal, what was that all about FFs lads you should be wiping them by half time

  • 173 breno95 // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Cabaye going nowhere. Arsenal were not that interested and the resigning of flamini cements my view.
    As for playing on saturday then the bench is where he should be put.
    Tough game v Fulham but hopefully AP gets team selection right and a win occurs.
    Love all the ramblings on here, just love it. As if the comments off the die hard bloggers are going to make a difference to how MA makes decisions.
    50,000 will be at SJP on saturday all hoping to see a good victory. Can AP deliver?????

  • 174 IITianToon // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Hey folks, how is it going!!!

    I hope the crowd goes to SJP to cheer the players on for the full 90 mins. A small crowd would do more damage than good I think; as it is the players who are affected more by crowd support or lack of it,

    I will be super pissed if Anita is dropped. Seems like Pards keeps the good quieter guys like Anita and Marv on the bench and appeases the stronger influences like Cabaye, Tiote.

    Dummett has really shown he is hitting PL level. Unfortunately where do we play Santon if he has to play.
    I just feel terribly frustrated that our youngsters are not blooded at the correct time.

  • 175 Uncertain Toon // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Funny situation this Cabaye thing although not in a laughing way.
    If Cabaye had refused to play he would be have been stuck in reserves, fined by club and official statement made.
    If he says his head isn’t in the right place and doesn’t feel he can perform properly due to speculation then he needs a firm boot up his derriere!
    If he wants to play, but the club are protecting their asset for the money then that just upsets the whole apple cart- the player himself, his pals/teammates(because they know they need him on pitch) and the managers match planning.
    I reckon it’s the 3rd option going on here, especially as Pardew is saying he expects him to play against Fulham. Tis as if they now do not expect any more bids.
    Arsenal signing Flamini on a free seems about right and they obviously don’t rate Cabs highly enough to meet valuation. PSG probably don’t need him.
    Clubs know because of the Carroll transfer they’ll have to pay over the odds at the 11th hour so if he was going he would have been gone on by now.
    Clubs must dread doing business with Toon!
    If we get Gomis and Ba/another then Shola will be gone in a flash to big Sam.

  • 176 IITianToon // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Isnt it ironic that Debuchy being so poor has no competition; whereas we have two really good guys wanting to play LB.
    We could shift Santon there, but the kid seems far more at ease on the left cutting in.

  • 177 Thump // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    @breno95: As if the comments off the die hard bloggers are going to make a difference to how MA makes decisions.

    We’re here to share our opinions and have a go at others who dare have opinions differing from our own.

  • 178 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    I say if we lose Arson the SJP 😉

  • 179 Yohan Kebab // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    my team for fulham

    krul
    debuchy colo mbiwa dummett
    santon sissoko anita hba
    cisse remy

  • 180 IITianToon // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    Cisse to me looks like a striker who will thrive if sufficient balls of quality are fed into the box. Unfortunately neither of our wide players can do that.. that is why I really want to see Dummett in the team,, the kid does seem to possess a good cross into the box,

  • 181 solano38 // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    If Cabaye really did go on strike, then I’d piss him off by neither playing him nor selling him : in that way, he wouldn’t play for France in the next World Cup and he’d be stuck in a club where he doesn’t want to be.

    Yes, it’s bitter and bitchy, but it feels good!!

  • 182 Thump // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    @Uncertain Toon: Arsenal signing Flamini on a free seems about right and they obviously don’t rate Cabs highly enough to meet valuation.

    Don’t be daft man, Wenger’s just scared of spending money.

  • 183 IITianToon // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    My team for Fulham.,, of course I have never been correct before but stil:

    Krul
    Debuchy–Colo–Mbiwa–Santon(Dummett :( )
    Sissoko–Anita
    Ben Arfa–Gouffran–Sammy
    Cisse
    Subs: Elliott, Dummett, Bigi, Cabaye(yes he should be Here),Marveaux, Shola, Remy

  • 184 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Have to say that is brilliant Champions League draw, some great games in Europe this season!!!

  • 185 Yohan Kebab // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    if we could do a 15m double deal for moses and ba i would be very happy

  • 186 breno95 // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    Thump

    what?

  • 187 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    http://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/f0986ee6-0c21-11e3-b9c1-12313b087694-original.jpg

  • 188 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Did you know if you enter “Newcastle United are” in to google it only brings up 3 predictive options? None of the end with ambitious, sadly they end in: a joke, sh*t, safe
    Bit sad that!

  • 189 SeanNufc87 // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Tads

    Im in Scotland atm and there are a LOT of grumpy looking hoop fans lol I dont blame them.

  • 190 Massive_Toon // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Just a thought but here’s my theory on this joke of a transfer window …Ashley has employed his bum of a mate Kinnear for whatever figure, to be the scapegoat. He has no intention of signing any1 this summer and knows us fans will go off it, so gets good old joe to come in for a nice little wager to be the one that with a free crate of Stella and pardew is blameless as transfers were out of his hands. Any1 agree or am I just over thinking???

  • 191 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Sean
    I bet!! Talk about group of death, and after turning the qualifying tie around!
    Mind you Celtic got some fantastic results against some top teams last season in the CL, they certainly give it there all, it’s good to see tbf

  • 192 SeanNufc87 // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Tads

    Done barca before so milan and ajax should be a walk in the park 😉

  • 193 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    Every home game this season is probably going to be a real test for Pardew if he stays with us. And the away games probably won’t be great for him either. The influence of a great manager can’t be overestimated. We don’t even have an average manager unless Pardew proves it this season by finishing mid table. Ashley would be thrilled with that I’m sure. Personally I’ve watched enough Pardew football to last me a lifetime. What we need and what we’re going to get are probably 2 very different things but I continue to hope for improvement all through the club, from the owner on down

  • 194 JackButler // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    http://tyneandwear.sky.com/newcastleunited/article/79088/newcastle-united-in-demba-ba-and-bafetimbi-gomis-talks-today

  • 195 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    Based on Marveaux’s play against Morecambe he will return to the bench. Really can’t understand how he could be that poor. Very disappointed with Vuckic as well. He should be loaned out to regain form immediately.

  • 196 Massive_Toon // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Just a thought but here’s my theory on this joke of a transfer window …Ashley has employed his bum of a mate Kinnear for whatever figure, to be the scapegoat. He has no intention of signing any1 this summer and knows us fans will go off it, so gets good old joe to come in for a nice little wager to be the one that takes the sh@t when we sign no1 by sept 2nd. Ashley sacks him and it looks like justice has been done, joe walks away with a free crate of Stella and pardew is blameless as transfers were out of his hands. Any1 agree or am I just over thinking???

  • 197 JackButler // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    GeordieTwo

    Going on the basis of the Morecambe game we should have seven of the starting 11 out on loan as we were pathetic from start to finish

  • 198 SeanNufc87 // Aug 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Jb

    We didnt even have 7 of the starting 11 on throughout the 90…

  • 199 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    All this bollocks about us going after Ba. He just managed to escape this loony bin! Seriously he would never come back. His agents will want a sweet deal for themselves and he’s after more money not less. As for Gomis, I’m sick of hearing stories. Either sign him or move on Joe. Only 3 days to go now. We look like rabbits in the headlights again.

  • 200 JackButler // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    SeanNufc87

    7 of the 11 that started

  • 201 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Spot on JB @197. Except for the class of Ben Arfa and some timely finishes we looked hopeless against a poor division 2 side. Couldn’t believe it. Pardew must smoke something good before each game to get through the pain of watching his team play.

  • 202 SeanNufc87 // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    Jb

    Thats what I mean mate, most of them disappeared!

  • 203 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Ashley has got it right!

    Success would mean spending more money. He spent money in 2011. Got Europa. don’t wanna spend money and achieve higher because that would mean keep spending.

    Who will help pay the interest on Interest free loan

  • 204 JackButler // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    SeanNufc87

    Sorry mate, got the wrong end of the stick there lol

  • 205 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Can’t be a coincidence we keep barking at the wrong tree in Gomis.

  • 206 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Most of our players look afraid to even try short pass football. Most teams close us down early in the game and then we just resort to hoofball. Nobody wants to be caught on the ball and the team clearly loses faith in itself. That is up to Pardew to change but I doubt he can do it.

  • 207 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    My Team for Fulham

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Krul~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~Santon~~~Mbiwa~~~Colo~~~~~Dummett~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bigi~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~Anita~~~~~~~Sissoko~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Arfa~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~Cisse~~~~~~~~~~~~Goofy~~~~~~~~~~

    Subs:
    – Elliot
    – Willo/Good
    – Debuchy
    – Cabaye
    – Marveux
    – Gosling
    – Remy

  • 208 SeanNufc87 // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Geordie two

    Id doubt it mate, BA is a devout Muslim, very strict unlike cisse, money is not a driving force in any of their life choices, or at least the ones iv spoken too.

    Also it was reported he only went for about 2k more than we were offering on a new contract, if its true or not I dont know.

  • 209 RobertLeeNo.7 // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    GET RID! his attitude stinks. Don’t blame him for wanting to leave this unambitious club but to refuse to play is pathetic!

    James Mac in from wigan and get rid of this prick Mcarthy will give way more on the pitch and can score from midfield plus his attitude is waaaay better. He aint going on strike from wigan cause a prem club is interested is he!

  • 210 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Sean
    Yeah Celtic for CL winners!!! 😉
    Thing is I can see Celtic getting results against Milan and possibly Ajax if they lose Eriksen and Alderwield which looks a given

    Geordie Two
    Completley agree mate, was gutted to see such a sh*y performance from Marv as I expect big things from him this season
    Vuckic I said last season just doesn’t look like ever making it, tidy enough player could prob do a job at championship level but goes missing sadly

  • 211 Ted Bundy // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    By the way, Ed, you’ll never be successful in censoring me, for no good reason I may add.

    Thought you were better than that, but no better than Orwell’s Thought Police!

  • 212 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Arfa to be given a free role to drift across from Right to Left… but ofcourse to focus down the middle with clinical through balls for goofy to run onto with his pace

  • 213 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    no doubt Pardew will start with one.. if not both Ameobi’s… just thinking about it makes me sick.b

  • 214 SeanNufc87 // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Jb

    Nee bother I read it back and id agree it sounds like im being picky with what you said lol

  • 215 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Short pass football requires great commitment, effort, and fitness. Look at the teams who play it. They are all extremely fit and confident. We don’t look that way at all. Watch Fulham against us. They will press us hard early in the game and knock us off our early passing attempts. Then we’ll play hoofball to Cisse. Only Ben Arfa and a couple of the other players will try to maintain control of the ball. It just doesn’t work when applied in a half hearted way by a team lacking in confidence.

  • 216 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Geordie two

    That was the first thing that came to my mind. Wonder why many haven’t thought of that

  • 217 JackButler // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Indian

    you’ve got to ask the question with all out reported targets and thats how hard have we gone after them? and how serious have we been about getting them ‘Over the line’?

    I think it’s all BS and lip service as Ashley has absolutely no intention of spending any money as Llambias told us all that we have accelerated our transfer policy in January.

    No ambition = No signings

  • 218 RobertLeeNo.7 // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    if only we had an owner that could take clubs power back from the players and buy mcarthy then stick cabs in reserves for the rest of the season so he missus the world cup to show players they have to honour a contract and be professional!

  • 219 SeanNufc87 // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Tads

    Worth a few quid? I bet after that draw they must be 30s at least!

  • 220 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    JB

    That’s the point where is the money. If we do well then he will be compelled to spend. so lets not raise hope.

  • 221 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Thanks tads @210. I usually agree with your comments as well. It’s obvious we have a lot of underperforming players at the club. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they started underperforming with Pardew as manager. I just haven’t seen anything from him to convince me anything will improve this season over last. He isn’t changing his approach at all. Some of the players already look beaten after 2 league games. Cabaye isn’t the only one to lose faith in Pardew by any means. As for Ba being a douvout muslim Sean @208 I can’t comment on his religious beliefs but it’s well known he has several greedy agents working for him. They can handle the money part and Ba can keep his hands clean I assume. I loved Ba when he was with us and didn’t want him to leave but he wouldn’t have survived under Pardew anyway.

  • 222 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Poorly written by me @221. Should read devout muslim.

  • 223 JackButler // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    Indian

    There’s only one man that knows where the money is and he’s not telling anyone.

    Under Ashley we spend to survive not to succeed.

    If/when we are in the shyte come January no doubt we’ll spend to try to stay in the league, until then the wallet is well hidden

  • 224 beddersmag // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Dont care if ba cant play with cisse. Bench cisse ba is in a different league. Sad fact is that shola is our best striker at the moment. And thats a disgrace

  • 225 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    What is Joe doing other than enjoying a few pints? Why leave it so late in the window? The only reason I can see is they are waiting for the money from Cabaye and Pardew is sweating in case Cabaye isn’t sold and sulks all season.

  • 226 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    JB

    he has spent 2 times what i would call Okay.

    Once in Jan 2010 in CCC
    once last Jan

    Both gambles to make money, once to get in PL other time to stay in there.

    Diabolical

  • 227 JackButler // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    beddersmag

    Go give your head a shake fella!!!

    Cisse is in a different class to anyone at the club it’s simply that Pardew has no clue how to link the midfield with any striker

  • 228 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Spot on again Jack Butler @223.

  • 229 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    Bedders
    It is a disgrace mate, sad thing is apart from one goal from cisse and a tap in from goofy shola is the only CF at the club who scored constantly all pre season and has found the net since the start of the new season, goofy got a good run last night and never really looked like threatening the goal
    Fair play to shola though, took his goal well imo

    Geordie Two
    For me pardews limitations are there for all to see, that’s not an attack on him like, we all have our depths and sadly he’s out of his
    Felt for him last season, don’t think he was backed properly and we lost our top scorer in jan + plus a tonne of injuries
    At the end of the season i said I’d give him 10 games, sadly now I don’t think he should get that long
    Not because of anything he has/hasn’t done this season but simply because we still have the exact same squad he couldn’t motivate last season minus a couple of his go to senior pro’s in perch Simmo and maybe Harps (though him and harps really didn’t get on)
    So why drag it out? What’s changed?
    Absolutely nothing so what makes Mr. Ashley think pardew can motivate the same players in the same formation this season?

  • 230 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Pardew has no dream for the club, he just wants to survive and collect his pay. As he says, thank god we don’t have to play in Europe this season. Ask Swansea’s manager how he likes playing in Europe for a different attitude altogether. They are building a very good team with growing confidence. We are not.

  • 231 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    If Cisse is playing on the wing, he’s hardly going to be banging goals in all the tine is he, never mind his substitutions which give him even less game-time.

    This is aside from our clueless creativity in the final third. If rocks for brains has us panic defending leads (what are they again?) That is even less time Cisse has to finish chances, because there are non there to start with.

  • 232 beddersmag // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Jackbutler

    Haha. Well he cant head the ball, hold it up or cross. Hes not quick, cant beat a man and trying to stay onside is hilarious. He seems to be a confidence player which is admittedly low, but that in itself is a weakness. The only thing in his favour is his finishing and as you rightly point out we cant get him in a position to show that.

    If hes the best player at the club then dont blame pardew hes obviously got a useless squad to work with.

    I can think of one aspect of his game where ba is not superior. Btw not saying i prefer shola. Just simply at this current time shola is more effective

  • 233 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Spot on tads @229.

  • 234 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    GeordieTwo, well said.

  • 235 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    It is JFK’s opinion that Newcastle are a top 10 side.
    Must mean that there are 10 other teams in the league that would have struggled against Morecambe last night.

  • 236 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    Jack
    Cisse was in a different class mate, when everything was going well
    For me cisse is not a fighter, and last season we needed a fighter
    Say what you like about the Demba’s and Shola’s of this club but you can’t deny when push comes to shove there not afraid to get stuck in and get there hands dirty, they may not always do well but they give there all
    Cisse looks so lethargic at the moment he’s making shola look like Bolt!

  • 237 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Beddersmag

    “Shola is more effective”

    Words I wish I never had to hear in my life time… You know your at rock bottom, when Shola ‘If I close my eyes and wish hard enough, I might be a real footballer’ Ameobi is ‘more effective’.

    Bring back Lovenkrands or Best… both are not PL level but are far superior to Shola…

  • 238 JackButler // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    beddersmag

    This what finished Pardew off for me and thats when Cisse joined us we had Ba on the left Cisse in the middle and HBA on the right and Cisse scored for fun with some of the most spectacular strikes any of us have seen in a black and white shirt. We took 5th place that season and amazed everyone.

    Fast forward to the next season and for some unknown reason Pardew, tactical genius that he is reverts back to a 4-4-2 and when that does not work he sticks Cisse out on the bloody wing.

    Cisse’s confidence has been shot to pieces by Pardew but to be fair to our illustrious manager he’s managed to ruin all of our players in the same way

  • 239 JackButler // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    tads @236

    You can say the same thing for the entire squad of late

  • 240 beddersmag // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    Aye agreed. At least lov knew what he was trying to do. Best was good alrounder and unlucky i thought. Sad times. I had hoped we would have been able to let shola go but we might need to build the team around him :-)

  • 241 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Pardew is like that peice of turd that rises back to the surface, even after you flush.

  • 242 jazzyp // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Evening guy’s
    Anybody on here shouting the roof off that we put in a performance last night, Or are they in the category that we were p@ss poor for a better word.
    Marveaux for me was a disgrace. How many times is he going to be given a chance to shine.
    Good and Biggi showed promise-Gosling saved our ass on numerous occasions-Vuckic was all over the place and for me needs to go out on loan to get game time and experience-Elliott cemented his place as no2 with a good showing, But in all honesty we could have been staring at being 3-4 nill down by half time.

  • 243 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    At this point, the only way I see Shola leaving Newcastle is,

    1. We don’t offer him a new contract… but Pardew seems to love the guy… so would probably get him a new 1-2 yr contract

    2. Shola Retires… fat chance.

    3. We pay someone to take him off us.

    Jesus… no League 1 or 2 teams have been after him… says it all really when teams two leagues below don’t even want you.

  • 244 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    I’d have more respect for JFK/Pardew/Shola if they just walked away and admitted that the Premier League is way out of their league… as opposed to them continuing to get paid for being absolutely rubbish.

  • 245 DokToon // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    i see bundy/x amount of names is escaped from the mental institution again…

  • 246 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Podolski ruled out for 10 weeks.

    I think Arsenal are gonna struggle this season. Can’t see them staying in the top 4… perhaps 6th-8th for them at best?

  • 247 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Good summary jazzyp @ 242. Some of our players were absolute dross. They couldn’t handle Morecambe’s pressing at all. It was only the fact that they tired late in the game and Ben Arfa came on to kill them off that we won. They could easily have had 3 in the first half. Shockingly poor first half. How does Pardew manage to stand there and watch it?

  • 248 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    The options up top for Arsene Wenger following Lukas Podolski’s injury:
    Olivier Giroud
    (Played: 52 Goals: 20)
    Yaya Sanogo
    (Played: 2 Goals: 0)
    … erm, that’s it.

    Perhaps we can offer them Shola? He would become their second top goal scorer.

  • 249 Davies // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    Not really sure why Enrique felt he deserved a move to a bigger club with CL footer. He’s yet to feature as an international, yet to win anything of note with any club and he was in a side that was relegated. I would say that if you were ambitious you’d fight to be successful wherever you are. Demanding a move to a bigger club because you’re not happy at the one you signed a contract with is petulance.

    Cabaye at least has the excuse that he left a CL team to come here, but there’s a way to conduct yourself as a professional earning tens of thousands of pounds a week and with so many fans depending on you.

    I can’t say for sure that he’s on strike, but he’s staying very quiet among very clear indications from the club that he is.

    Just sayin’.

  • 250 A monkey is better then Pardew // Aug 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    Pardew… as tactical minded as a rock.

  • 251 jazzyp // Aug 29, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Geordietwo
    Evening pal-To be honest with ya mate I was absolutely disgusted with that performance again last night.
    Pards is spouting the same old bs as of last season when he put out these teams in the cups, and we had exactly the same performances. Imo we have no depth or players to bring through to the first team and last night just showed how shallow our squad really is !!

  • 252 fatman // Aug 29, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    just to put last nights result into perspective

    No movement 1 Oxford Utd 4 6 10
    Moving up 2 Chesterfield 4 5 10
    Moving up 3 Fleetwood 4 4 9
    Moving down 4 Southend 4 3 9
    No movement 5 Burton 4 2 8
    Moving up 6 Newport 4 2 7
    Moving down 7 Exeter 4 1 7
    Moving up 8 Wimbledon 4 0 7
    Moving up 9 Plymouth 4 0 6
    Moving down 10 Scunthorpe 4 1 5
    Moving down 11 Portsmouth 4 0 5
    Moving down 12 Dag & Red 4 0 5
    Moving up 13 Torquay 4 -1 5
    Moving down 14 Mansfield 4 -1 5
    Moving down 15 Rochdale 4 1 4
    Moving down 16 Bury 4 0 4
    Moving up 17 Bristol Rovers 4 -1 4
    No movement 18 Wycombe 4 -1 4
    Moving up 19 Morecambe 4 -2 4
    Moving down 20 York 4 -2 4
    No movement 21 Cheltenham 4 -3 4
    Moving down 22 Northampton 4 -2 3
    No movement 23 Hartlepool 4 -5 1
    No movement 24 Accrington 4 -7

  • 253 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Team for Fulham :

    ——————————–Krul——————————

    –Debuchy——–Collocini——–M’biwa——–Santon–

    ——–Sissoko————-Cabaye————-Anita———

    ———-HBA—————Cisse—————Remy——–

    If Remy is fit play him, he has already played in the PL so we don’t need to ease him in, also the only way he will get up to speed is playing matches.

  • 254 GeordieTwo // Aug 29, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Sad to say but spot on again jazzyp @251. We need a new and better manager. Plain and simple. With experience with foreign internationals if at all possible. Could we lure Solskjaar (not sure of spelling) in? Pardew has had his time. 100 games in charge now. Very poor overall and getting worse not better. Ashley has to wake up soon or he’ll be desperately spending in January to save us again.

  • 255 BandB // Aug 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Ian Toon,

    I don’t claim to have the same evidence Ruddy has that you are a multiple poster.
    All I can say is that there are a group of posters on this blog who’s writing tics are very closely linked.
    I noticed “Ian Toon”, a couple of days dropped sub-consciously into the “stanza” writing style of “Sack Llambias” (if memories serves), who appeared to be your hitman. Some of them are a bit Jekyll and Hyde.
    I have an interest in these things, so I am fascinated.
    I’d happily debate with you, if I knew who I was talking to from one minute to the next.
    But you do strike me as a bit of a Walter Mitty character, and my mam taught me not to speak to strange men.
    Ian Toon is a good poster. Have confidence in him.

  • 256 Indian Magpie // Aug 29, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    What Ashley is doing is Similar or exactly the same as running a Ponzi Scheme.

  • 257 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 29, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    Got a funny feeling that if we get know one in before window closes and if Cabaye is sold Pardew will resign.

    Heres my hypothetical question for tonight.
    Would you rather have:-
    Cabaye to stay and that means Pardew stays?
    Or
    Cabaye is sold and Pardew resigns?

  • 258 Belfast // Aug 29, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    Cabaye is sold and Pardew resigns for me.

    No point keeping a player who seems desperate to leave in my opinion.

  • 259 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 29, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    BandB

    He’s an unhinged sociopath who has the nerve to call me a megalomaniac, when it is he who creates these figments of his imagination to undermine the few people who knows he couldn’t fool, but his arrogance extends to the belief that he fooled anyone in the first place.

    Writing styles are like fingerprints, I remember privately discussing with another poster from here way over a year ago that I had these suspicions. Ian then went on to undo himself by posting a comment to himself (something he always does btw) but this time he incorrectly wrote the wrong name, so he posted a comment meant for Pushy to Ian, which brought the deck of cards tumbling down.

    He did, however, maintain his innocence and stood by the story that he was a singular poster.

    I took matters in my own hand and complained to Ed (yes I told on him, but the personal digs from a psychopath do begin to grate on you) and Ed confirmed that the posters Ian, Pushy, Carl and Ted Bundy were all the same account from the one IP address.

    I refrained from posting that e-mail on the blog as it was a private correspondence from Ed, but in hindsight I should have to remove any doubt, but Ed had assured me that these accounts were blocked, as it would appear they have not been.

  • 260 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    Geordie2 pardew hasnt got a clue. And who is this hat-am he keeps going on about? And why is he a fret? I cant stand the way pardew scuttles down the tunnel as soon as the final whistle blows. Like a rat on sinking ship.

  • 261 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 29, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    Woo hoo. Ruddy is getting paranoid with this ian guy. Great entertainment. Its like im tuning in to a real life psychological thriller. Anybody who reacts to ruddys arrogance is IAN. Shut the curtains and check under the bed ruddy. Woo hoo.

  • 262 9 // Aug 29, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    Charlie@257
    I agree your feeling is funny – very funny indeed. There is no chance whatsoever of Pardew leaving, whatever happens.




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