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Alan Pardew Still Has A Challenge With This Player

11:18 pm, Wednesday, September 4th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 89 Comments

Yohan Cabaye is not in the French squad for the upcoming World Cup  qualifying games  against Georgia and Belarus  on Saturday and next Tuesday, but that was because Yohan hadn’t played for Newcastle this season when the  following his two-game ‘strike’ at St James’ Park.

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Yohan Cabaye -manager will talk with him over next week

Cabaye’s absence did not please Newcastle fans, and when he was brought on last Saturday after 65 minutes , he was both cheered and jeered by the fans, but he did get some support when he was taking the corners.

Now Alan Pardew says he will be talking to Yohan over the next week or so, and we suppose this will be a test of Alan Pardew’s man management skills, which are very good.

This is what Alan said in the Daily Mirror last night:

“It was important to get him out there on Saturday, it will make it easier to move on,  although there is a lot of talking to be done between now and Aston Villa.”

“We will speak with Yohan and with his representatives to make sure that we go forward hand-in-hand.” “The guy has a World Cup at the end of the year and he is a big part of France’s plans.”

“He hasn’t been picked this week and I think that was a bit of a shock to him.” “It was only because of the [transfer] situation, because I think he’s nailed on in their team.”

“That whole situation will resolve itself.”

We hope that Yohan Cabaye starts to think straight from now on, and he’s got to get out of his mind any thoughts he had of moving to Arsenal, where he would probably have  ended up on the bench, as Demba Ba has done at Chelsea, after he left Newcastle in  early January.

We expect Yohan to show some professionalism from now on,which he wasn’t showing when he was on strike.

And he will need to do that quickly, because his refusal to play for  Newcastle did not go over well with the Newcastle fans or the France manager,  Didier Deschamps.

And he owes Newcastle and their fans now big time, and we hope he’ll get his head down and concentrate on helping Newcastle do well this season – very well this season.

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89 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Grumpy // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    I think he owes NUFC big so for that I would play him otherwise “Off with his head”.

  • 2 Tinman // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    Make him sweat it out on the touchline for a couple more weeks Pards

  • 3 JackButler // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    We have been left with a player who is out of form and doesn’t want to be here and isn’t wanted else where other than as a reserve player.

    This is gonna be a complicated one to deal with

  • 4 beddersmag // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Jail

    Would you swop MA for Venkys or what? Not having a dig just interested….

  • 5 Laurent Robert 32 // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    If he has blatantly said he’s not playing simply because of the bid, then I would have fined him and played him to be professional and honour his contract.

    Or, if he isn’t going to be played because he has actually said it, then he doesn’t play again.

    To not play him then play him is stupid. It’s hardly sending out a great signal for everyone else. “Hey, if you say you don’t want to play, you don’t have to, and Pardew will have you back on the bench the next game.”

    Unless of course it was Ashley telling tye spinesless one not to be put in. It’s a hard one to call so I’m going easyish on him.

  • 6 phatt knacker // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    this will all start again by late october- if hes playing well then other teams know he wants a move and if hes playing badly then the toon will be baying for his blood coz his hearts not in it!! its a lose lose. only way out is he plays out of his skin and gets a new contract with agreed buy out clause. cabaye you make my eyes rain :’(

  • 7 HAZZY1 // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    Jackbutler No its simple he plays well or he wont be in the world cup simples also I hope we bring in some competition for him ie Artem Milevskiy he is FREE Im going to keep saying his name until someone gets intouch with MA Joe or Pards and sign him up he is a class player not doing anything and we r crying out for a creative player?

  • 8 Laurent Robert 32 // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    *spineless one.

    Sick of the lag on these phones on net, it causes mistakes. Bloomin’ typos.

  • 9 Eddie // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    We’ll all be fine. If we loan out Obertan, Gosling, Bigirimana, Vuckic, Campbell and Good we’ve still got a decent 22:

    Krul/Elliott, Debuchy/Santon, Dummett/Haidara, Yanga-Mbiwa/S.Taylor, Coloccini/Williamson, Anita/Tiote, Sissoko/Cabaye, Ben Arfa/Marveaux, Jonas/Sa.Ameobi, Cisse/Sh.Ameobi, Remy/Gouffran.

    Not too shabby.

  • 10 JackButler // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    Laurent Robert 32

    The problem is that the club have lied to everyone on so many occasions in the past no one knows who to believe with this story.

    The way that I’m looking at it is that Cabaye played last season while trying to combat and deal with depression and a series of long term injuries but the man was nothing other than professional, make of that what you will

  • 11 HAZZY1 // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    Eddie add Artem Milevskiy and it will be a good squad also just seen Bruno who used to play for bayern is a Free he is a nutter he will bring the house down…

  • 12 Jail for Ashley // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    Bedders,
    I think it’s obvious my answer, but I’d rather cut my thumb off than say it.

  • 13 HAZZY1 // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    Bruno the CB was convicted of arson when he set fire to his house and claimed it was vandals lol now he is in brazil under house arrest never mind he would have been a great CB kicking ass watch his vids youtube they r funny he is bruce lee..

  • 14 JackButler // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    Asking who would we prefer as our owner Ashley or the Venky’s is like asking who would you vote for the Nobel Peace Prize, Hitler or Stalin?

  • 15 Jail for Ashley // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    All fans together realise Mike Ashley is a cnut, what to do about it needs addressing , I gather from tonight there aren’t many Ashley supporters left !

  • 16 JackButler // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:47 PM

    Jail

    Ashley wont ruin this club, the apathy of the fans will be the thing that ruins it as its that apathy that allows someone like Ashley to to whatever the hell he wants with no recource

  • 17 Jail for Ashley // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    It was discussed at tonights PR meeting, do the club read the media forums, it wasn’t directly that the club have a spokesperson on this particular site, but they are aware of it, which tells me that somebody on here is as as good as ya propaganda man tonight, or possibly a couple of them , TD……. cough cough

  • 18 richyg01 // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    SACK THE BOARD

  • 19 JackButler // Sep 4, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    Jail

    Would that be our esteemed amateur accountant fro the sarf I wonder???

  • 20 andrew84 // Sep 5, 2013 at 12:08 AM

    JackButler, I understand the point you’re making, but to sit back and do nothing is just as unlikely to do any good either. The fact remains that the fans are the lifeblood of the club and if they’re not happy then they have every right to make a fuss any way they see fit. Whether that leads to the club being ‘ruined’ is impossible to say, but it worked at LFC, why not here?

  • 21 Black and White with an army lol // Sep 5, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    AP out, MA out, JFK out, Cabaye out.

  • 22 JackButler // Sep 5, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    andrew84

    That was my point, its the apathy that will ruin this club, if everyone simply sits back, says nothing and and does nothing thus allowing Ashley to continue to do what he likes when he like.

    The fans need to come together and move against this regime, otherwise nothing will change

  • 23 kira13th // Sep 5, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    We should sell Cabaye…He has no ambition for Newcastle anymore.

    Watched him play in West Ham match, he was heartless.

  • 24 nimo // Sep 5, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    I know it’s not the same but this is how bobby lost the changing room by dyer refusing to play and then not being suitably punished.. I hope they throw the book at cabaye. Fine him the 2weeks he didn’t play. Make an example out of him then draw a line under it, let him then earn the chance to be in the first team not just put him straight back in though

  • 25 lesh // Sep 5, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    richyg01 – SACK THE BOARD

    The Board – SACK RICKYV01!

  • 26 lesh // Sep 5, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    @25. – correction to typo

    SACK RICKYG01 even!

  • 27 geordiesteve520 // Sep 5, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    Hazzy I am sure you mean Breno, was acted highly but now has pretty serious mental health issues which culminated in him being sectioned after he set his house on fire. Milevsky has not really lived up to his early promise and will demand a high wage too.

  • 28 geordiesteve520 // Sep 5, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    @23 are ou taking the piss?

  • 29 dembademba // Sep 5, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    hazzy

    its breno lol, and hes not under house arrest in brazil but working for bayern as a youth coach as part of his rehabilitation lol.
    cabaye didnt do much for us last year, he needs to knuckle down and play well in order to get his move / get into the french team

  • 30 dembademba // Sep 5, 2013 at 1:33 AM

    and if milevskiy was such a class player he wouldnt be doing nothing haha.

    he sure was class on fm a few years ago, il give u that

  • 31 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Sep 5, 2013 at 1:56 AM

    @23 – He’ll certainly have heart now if he wants to get in that world cup squad.

  • 32 kira13th // Sep 5, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    @28 I’m taking the… poo

    @31 If it like you say, it will be good for both club and himself

  • 33 Sav // Sep 5, 2013 at 3:06 AM

    The little midfielder who’s also a striker… Surely he doesn’t need his ego massaging after no-one bid more than 10 for him?
    We make him vice-captain and then put up with a lacklustre Cabaye for a whole ruddy year last year and this is the thanks? Deschamps has the right idea and we should drop him, too, if he doesn’t play well enough to keep Anita, Bigi and Gosling out on merit. If he’s good enough to play in the World Cup for France let him prove it for Newcastle – and not just until the January window, either. but knuckle down until the summer.

  • 34 NKOTB // Sep 5, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    Kira13th

    Don’t think Cabaye played against West Ham?

  • 35 willowdalerez // Sep 5, 2013 at 4:13 AM

    We desperately need Cabaye and HBA healthy and playing unselfishly.

    Until a deal comes in for him Cabaye is our best set piece player and passer and HBA gives speed and inside cuts that together make our midfield a real threat taking some heat off or defense and allowing some inventiveness that will set up Cisse and Remy effectively.

    That is my take and I hope Cabaye plays his heart out for us even if only to get out to another team (and back onto the French roster).

    BTW – I think we will finish 7 – 10 barring injury trouble.

    Loving the team (if not top mgmt) from Canada!

  • 36 Sydney Toon // Sep 5, 2013 at 4:42 AM

    Hazzy1
    Mate why don’t you try to convince one of the bloggers planning to go to the game, bring a banner saying “Sign Artem Milevskiy – HE IS FREE!” He is a quality striker, has a powerful shot and header and can actually hold the ball up, has great touch. Perhaps your contact can send some feelers out mate! In all seriousness, I would be almost certain the player’s manager would have sent an expression of interest out to a number of clubs. First round for the CL teams, second to the EL teams and third a select bunch of clubs that are capable of making Europe. He is a strong pedigree player, a lot of Agents would read papers, blogs etc and would be fully aware of what we need. If anything, give the guy a 1-2 year deal. The only potential downside is that he may not speak English and with hardly any Ukranian players in the PL, settling in would be an issue.

    Kira
    Cabaye did not play against West Ham, he played against Fulham. We certainly needed him against West Ham, Allardyce had them well drilled.

    Willow
    Greetings from Australia mate, wow this blog really does go international! Have to agree our team with Cabaye is very strong, without him we are good enough to beat the teams around us but wont scare the top 6 sides.

  • 37 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Sep 5, 2013 at 5:17 AM

    @willow- When we have all of Remy, Cisse, HBA and Cabaye we should be pretty potent going forward.

    Cabaye is the only player in our team who can consistently (Sissoko & Marveaux do it occasionally)play incisive passes FORWARDS! I don’t just mean through balls to put someone in, but intelligent passes through their midfield to link up with our forwards.

    Without him we constantly pass the ball up to the half way line and then back again to Krul which normally ends in someone hoofing it up top. That is why I don’t think he can properly play the AM/ no.10 type role- he seems to prefer dictating the game from deeper, ‘designing’ the attacks Xavi style.

    The owner is never going to bother trying to improve us and Pardew seems to tow the party line far too much to be individual, so the players are all we really have, the only people to associate with and support.

  • 38 spitfire_ // Sep 5, 2013 at 6:21 AM

    Alan “The Challenge Maker” Pardew. Last season he have a challenge for the youngster. Now new season new challenge.

  • 39 cyprus // Sep 5, 2013 at 6:27 AM

    This guy wants out. This fact will be a big negative in the changing room, apart from the lack of heart, the lack of passion for the team.

    An apology Rooney-style is the least he can do. He hasn’t, probably won’t.

    We should have bitten off Wenger’s hand with that 15 mil in it.

  • 40 Ian Toon // Sep 5, 2013 at 7:31 AM

    Nothing at all earth shattering from the meeting. In fact nothing that the average fan wouldn’t already been have been aware of but it was good PR.

    Transfer spend over the current year was used to emphasise that we do have a strict policy on transfer dealings. To negotiate the deal we see as value for money or walk away. Is it a good deal or should we walk away at this time is the policy which is adopted.

    It makes know allowance for fan thinking on type of signings they think we need because the market is hugely inflated – nothing new there. It clearly has to be about the timing and negotiating of the
    right deal for Ashley. Fans reaction and desire for purchases are discounted.

    The regime doesn’t give a monkeys about the fans reaction to our transfer business because its the man who pays the piper that
    calls the tune( my interpretation). JK is not being used as a sort
    of smokescreen to protect anyone but carrying out( or not!) sound business practice. Fans might be disappointed with the lack of signings but looking at the year as a whole we feature as the seventh largest spender. I think we had factored in the January signings into our thinking.

    Any suggestion that this provides a ready made excuse for Pardew to under perform were refuted. Pardew can devote his time to the team and there are distinct areas of responsibility within the football club.
    The manager appreciates that our transfer spending over the last year has gone a long way towards the team strengthening required to improve the team going forward.

    Nothing earth shattering but don’t shoot the messenger.

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 7:35 AM

    Ian

    Typical club PR isn’t it, nothing new there.

    Do they think we will get bargains next summer? after a world cup prices go sky high and clubs dont like to sell before because they know this.

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    Ian

    What’s also interesting is seeing how we progress now. We have a fairly solid starting 11 as well as a reasonable bench…when all fit.

    Now to improve the squad you need to be buying better players…better players cost money so will be interesting to see if we move on or just plod around this standard for the rest of his tenure.

  • 43 Jail for Ashley // Sep 5, 2013 at 7:45 AM

    Ian Toon,
    I wasn’t aware you were at the meeting, how many people were there ?

  • 44 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    Jail

    Morning, how are you? Are you heading to the ashley out campaign meeting tonight?

  • 45 lofric // Sep 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    How do we know that Pardew is a good man-manager?

    The answer is we don’t – nor do we know what Cabaye thinks, has said or done – apart from press for a move and play appallingly badly last season.

    In my view anything we hear from Kinnear, Pardew or God forbid Ashley (never) will and is a lie or half truth.

    After signing up to that monstrosity of a statement whether he had a choice or not for me means he is beneath contempt.

  • 46 Klatoon // Sep 5, 2013 at 7:55 AM

    So the world cup is at the end of the year Alan?

  • 47 stan anderson // Sep 5, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    See some guy thinks that Man Utd are in need of a DOF.
    Hope we got JFK tied down on a good contract so his head is,nt turned.After the great job he has done for the TOON it would be a tracedy to lose him to our main rivals for Trophies.

  • 48 stan anderson // Sep 5, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    That should read tragedy.

  • 49 Jail for Ashley // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:02 AM

    TS,
    I’m not pal, got my pass out last night, tbh it’s just pure PR exercise just got the answers TDsarf would have quite gladly put out, anything sensitive was answered with “I can’t answer that” or in one case to somebodies question on finance ” it’s none of your business”, I think I will give the next one a miss and attend the MAoc meeting.

  • 50 Ibizatoon // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    Morning guys,

    Did these question get addressed then…

    So is part of this policy to gamble and hope that we will be alright until the deal that works for us comes along? What sort of margins are we talking about here? A few hundred thousand or a few million?

    Why has the manager and even the DOF changed their tune over the summer about the need for more players? Was this because it was starting to look like no “deals” could be had? If so, there was still time, instead of trying to cover backsides, should you not have been looking for better deals to address the areas that your own staff have identified as needing strengthening?

    Is it not a bit of a cheek to not invest last summer when we needed it and really should have had it, then have to throw money at it in January to cover the clubs wrong decision and then tell us that it’s ok as we’re the 7th biggest investors in the PL over the past year? Do you not remember how successful the summer business was back in 11/12 and then adding Cisse in the January?

    Can you not just cut the bs? We’re big boys and girls…honestly we are.

  • 51 bills-son // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    Nobody expected us to finish 5th top,

    And nobody expected us finish 5th bottom,

    Now, loads of fans think we are in meltdown and will get relegated.

    We’ve got virtually the same team that finished 5th excepr for Debuchy for Simmo and Remy for Ba. Plus, we’ve got Anita, Sissoko, Gouffran, Mbiwa and Haidara with Prem experience and a pre-season under their belts. Sammy is looking like he can cut it this season and Dummett has looked promising.

    Like all fans I wish we’d signed more players but unlike most fans I don’t think we’ll be relegated or anywhere near it – 10th to 12th, but 8th wouldn’t surprise me.

    Interesting that after all the shouting we are actually the 7th highest spenders over the padt year.

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    Jail

    We’ll get no good answers from the club. I can understand not revealing all financial details but not sure why they even hold meetings if they won’t answer any questions…total PR exercise.

    I can’t attend the MAOC tonight but spoke to them and asked for details and planned action to try and help with. Looking forward to some good, positive action from them. I think we need to make sure a boycott is avoided upon reflection…can’t see 52,000 not going…maybe 10/15000 and that will just make us look like fair weather fans to others instead of taking action with our feet I think. Need a really visible protest during the game to get attention.

  • 53 bosamuelson // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Good morning all.

    I have a feeling that Mike Ashely is going to sue FIFA. If you think about, we plus some others, are sticking to the financial fair play rules. When the time comes to see who should and shouldn’t be playing in Europe due to income etc. surely NUFC must be on a good footing to have a case against clubs that are not playing to the FFPR and are plying in Europe. If FIFA don’t kick them out then we as a club playing by the rules have a disadvantage.

    Well I am board.

    @ Transfer Sage 42, I have to be honest I agree with you regarding the team and bench being quite strong, we also have a lot of players out on loan and we have down it with the big transfer fees. Although I was pi§§ed at not seeing anyone come in this summer I think we are slowly but surely getting to the point where we only need a couple of players in a term to move forward. Remy plus one other would have been a relatively good transfer window as long as the ‘other’ was of quality better than we have and that did not seem to be the case.

    I am by no means an MA or AP fan but I can’t (apart from the lack of a forward) fault the strategy of the club. I predict that we will do very well this year, 5th to 7th. Optimistic maybe but I think things are going to click.

    Fingers crossed!!

  • 54 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:13 AM

    Bills

    I feel 10th, what i predicted before opening game….haven’t changed my mind either. I just feel poor investment for two summers now has let us slip so far away from teams like liverpool and spurs who weren’t that much different to us.

    Ibiza

    Purely changed their tune to suit the owners policy…basically it’s all politics. If they don’t tow the party line there are plenty other back benchers who will and they know that. Kinnear and Pardew aren’t huge fan favourites so ashley will know getting rid won’t upset us so they must follow orders to keep a job.

  • 55 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    bosamuelson

    Morning. I think the FFP rules will make no difference. There are a range of punishments from warnings to fines to expulsion….if madrid, barca, man utd, etc get kicked out of champs league it will cost uefa in sponsorship deals so can’t see it happening.

    Also FFP are designed to help but really only help top clubs. Can spend what you earn…top clubs earn more from TV, champs league and merchandise so therefore can spend more and further stretch the gap. Whatever people think of city and chelsea they certainly have added competition to the league which is good for the league as a whole if not for us.

    And for the Bale transfer, 85mil upfront and 300k a week wages….as it’s a 6 year deal they can spread the cost of the 85mil over all 6 years…so for FFP they declare around 28million a year. Shows the rules have no teeth…make excuses for big deals already.

  • 56 Ibizatoon // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:24 AM

    Bills…Despite my change of mood, I can see us doing fairly well this season. I think the starting 11 is decent and the bench has got better. That isn’t really my issue though.

    I get that the club wont just start making signings because the fans want them, but ffs, the manager wants them, the DOF when he arrived said we needed them, then just because the right deal wasn’t about we didn’t get them…just another gamble.

    You know I have a lot of respect for the idea behind this plan, but I think it’s just something that is said to calm fans…or at least try.

    What were they up to on the 2nd? Were they even looking to see if there were any last minute deals? No, they took the same view as last summer that we’d be okay until January, where some of our targets will be even better bargains! Hoorah.

    There needs to be some middle ground, I don’t feel this is it at all. Good PR? Surely they can sense they’re making this hard for themselves?

    TS…I know that, you know that, they know that…just want to hear them say it. Wont happen I know.

    bosamuelson…I am no expert, but understand it’s a gradual process, with many little helpers for clubs whilst they adjust. Things like spreading out a players purchase over a few years, so say you paid £40m for a player, you could split it over say 4 years, so all that would show is spending of £10m for that year…or something along those lines…that is not exact policy:)

    We’re still yet to see if they will follow through with the ffp…I really hope they do.

  • 57 jonobbad // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:28 AM

    We also have the same team who finished 5th bottom. Minus ba and plus remy.
    But all the teams that were around us strengthened.

  • 58 Rotonda heights // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:28 AM

    Ed

    Why do you keep saying Pardew has great man management skills? Only if you’re one of his favourites!

  • 59 Rotonda heights // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    This squad is easily top 10 at worst, with a manager maybe top 7 even.

  • 60 Jail for Ashley // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    Bills,
    Where did you get we were 7th highest spenders over the year, when Sky done their summer table which had us bottom I added 19M and that put us 12th, and far from renouncing Ashley after this summers debacle like you said you would,you seem to be back on the defensive.
    Ian Toon,
    What time did the meeting finish ?

  • 61 Ibizatoon // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:33 AM

    Rotonda…I know you don’t rate the man, but he still is a manager :)

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    Jail

    I’m not sure how we are 7th…there are some strange figures. Look at what Ed has for our January spend, comes out 18/19 mil doesn’t it? But the club claim that we spent 32mil in january…not sure how.

  • 63 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    Morning lads!

    Funny that I get mentioned when I haven’t even contributed to the article yet! I thought I’d made it perfectly clear that I’m not a fan of either Ashley or Pardew but it seems some people haven’t quite got it.

    I just contradict those people who spread bullsh*t about the club on here. I want to see change for the better but if people ended up forcing MA to sell to the first bidder and that bidder ended up like Venky’s, then I’d be seriously angry with those fans and fan groups.

    We need the right kind of change, not just change for changes sake.

  • 64 Rotonda heights // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:40 AM

    Bills son

    That’s why I don’t get the mass hysteria now. As you say and as it has been well documented we are the 7th most expensive squad in the division and Remy has replaced Ba and we got SIX quality players in Jan that didn’t just magic themselves here.

    People like Anita, Marv, Gouffran and others don’t get a start so the quality is there. Not many teams could boast a front 3 of Ben Arfa, Cisse and Remy.

    My beef has always been not the size and quality of the squad. Instead of more players I would be throwing whatever money was available at a top manager, technical coach and D.O.F and severing ties with Wonga while I was at it.

    I know we won’t get a Hiddinck and an Arnesen but the most ironic and sickening thing is how close Ashley is in every other department but he doesn’t seem to realise it, so sadly the ” jobs for the boys” mentality and the mediocrity that brings with it will stay .

  • 65 Rotonda heights // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:42 AM

    TDS

    The people who eventually buy Ash out would have to be very well heeled and of a much higher quality than Venkys.

  • 66 Ibizatoon // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:42 AM

    TDS…They may have meant the other TDS :)

  • 67 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:42 AM

    TDS

    Ashley will sell to whoever gives him the money he wants…whether its a billionaire who wants to take us forward of somebody who wants to close us down and move the club to sunderland…he wont think about that.

    So whether we force him out or not he wont consider our future as he doesn’t seem to like us….thats my take anyway.

    So the sooner he is out the better…might not be a better change but whether he leaves tomorrow or ten years it’s still the same risk as he wont care who takes over.

  • 68 Rotonda heights // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:43 AM

    Ibiza

    Sorry I meant a real manager

  • 69 Jail for Ashley // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    TDsarf,
    It’s funny how the bullsh1t you try to defend is always in favour of the club, last night it was claimed that the 30 oddM spent in January had us one of the top spenders, if that were the case what does the other teams agents fees and wages add up to.
    Ian Toon,
    Wendy was looking lovely last night what colour blouse was she wearing ?

  • 70 Markaccus // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    Rotonda

    I find myself agreeing with you on the Tech coach and DOF. In fact, didn’t the club say they were going to bring exactly that in? Instead we have a new fitness guru (albeit a good one by all accounts) and a Director of fcukall (Jose Kinnearnho). So the club fell short on all of its incoming targets, both on and off the feild!

  • 71 Jail for Ashley // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    TS,
    When addressing the questions in the chronicle, asked if we were up for sale the PR guy said if your house was worth 200K and somebody offered 400K then would you sell, he’s going nowhere pal.

  • 72 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    jail

    Exactly…they count Ba as 2mil due to agent fees, thats fine to take into account but can’t add up our agent fees, transfer fee and wages to compare with other clubs transfer fees.

  • 73 bosamuelson // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:49 AM

    @Transfer and Ibiza, thanks for the reply, I didn’t think of it like that. But surely over time there is only a limited amount of times the can do that. As Real and Spurs for examples are paying for players over periods of times this will also add up. As Real for example has for 6 years minus 10mil before a ball is even kicked, I am sure they will have other previous transfers being paid in similar ways so it still adds up. But basically I get you point :)

    Just out of interest who would you folks rather have Derick Lambias or Joe Kinnear? I would much rather have DL, I know he wasn’t very talkative but he did get things done and quietly andI would prefer this rather than telling everyone about the transfers etc.

    I also wonder if the MA out campaign is just going to restrict MA spending even more. I certainly wouldn’T want to spend money when there is a hate campaign going on against me. We all know he will not sell for anything less than a profit, and as Transfer said around comment 42 our squad is not too shabby.

    Maybe we ask a similar question who would you rather have Mike Ashley or …? Careful what we wish for.

    P.S. I am not Mike Ashley nor an ambassador for him or his regime 😉

  • 74 Ibizatoon // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    Rotonda…No need to be sorry, was only playing with you and knew what you meant.

    You do have to question Ashley at the end of the day. Whether it’s about the changing of what we need and when we need it or his seemingly bad decisions of people to run the club. Either way, it doesn’t show him as having ambition to move forward.

    If Ashley has taken the view that the squad is good enough, then what are his views on Pardew after last season? If those views are that he failed big time, why is he still in a job?

    Whichever way I try and look at it, it all leads back to Ashley.

    Pardew is not the person who is ultimately holding us back.

  • 75 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:51 AM

    jail

    Clearly we are huge to boosting sports direct…look how it took off (only sports chain to do so) since he took us over. Clever business by him.

    Markacus

    As I said yesterday compare this

    spurs – joe lewis, levi, baldini, AVB
    newcastle – Ashley, charney, kinnear, pardew

  • 76 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    bosamuelson

    We have a revenue of close to 100mil a year…probably arun 130 now with new TV deal.

    Madrid have 500mil revenue so can output that much a year

  • 77 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    Rotonda

    The thing is, a new owner can potentially get the loan to buy the club and use the club itself as collateral, so the debt is effectively transferred to the club once it’s bought. That’s what happened with Man Utd and Liverpool that the fans were so angry about.

    So yeah, we could end up with a dodgy owner like Venky’s. Ashley gets his money but we end up in even more trouble.

    The right owner will have to come forward.

    Here’s a question though…if there’s an owner who really wants to buy the club and he’s made this known to Mike Ashley, why doesn’t he just announce it publically? Of course, it may mean that others then get interested but if he knows anything about the club, then he’ll know the pressure on MA to sell to him would be deafening!

  • 78 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:56 AM

    TS

    Let me know what you think of my last point to Rotonda. I’m intrigued…

    I still think that decent dialogue between the club and fans would help her. At least if Ashley sells to a decent owner then he can say his legacy was in sorting the club out and then letting someone else take it to the next level. I think ego will be at least as important as money to him.

  • 79 theartfuldodger // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=espnfcunited&id=9289

  • 80 Jail for Ashley // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    Transfer,
    I personally think that a 30M figure is including wages, it is simply not feasible that we paid 2.2M in fees for each signing, some of them didn’t even cost that.

  • 81 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    TDS

    Lots and lots of legal reasons why talks/deals can’t be made public. Maybe he went to ashley, asked about the club, was told for any discussion to take place a confidentiality agreement must be signed, then once signed ashley asks double the price, etc etc

    I think that an owner we get could be good or bad…no way to know. My point is ashley doesn’t care about us, just money and sports direct. Therefore to me whether we force him out or not he will still sell to the best offer for him regardless of whether it’s good or bad for us.

  • 82 Ibizatoon // Sep 5, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    bosamuelson…I seem to remember reading that was something clubs could do over a 5 year period, but the scheme would be fazed out over that time. It’s all online.

    At the moment there is still too much flexibility in the setup, so we wont see much difference. I don’t have much confidence it’ll help with too much in the long run either, even after this good will period they’re giving clubs to get their house in order.

    As for who I’d prefer, DL or JK. Really not sure. I get the feeling it wasn’t out of incompetence on JK’s part that no players arrived, but more that it was missing that final signature.

    In January, we were led to believe that Ashley was furious with the goings on of DL and that he took over the transfers. Then why not get involved again? As he didn’t really want to spend now…for whatever reason. I see JK as nothing more as someone there to take the next load of flak for Ashley.

    Apart from Anita last summer and a loan signing this summer, Ashley has only spent when he has had to protect his investment. Whether that was the intention or not is open for debate, but that is what has happened.

    Do I think he will simply not buy in January if it looks like we’re going down? Unlikely imo. He will want his money back and that will be much easier to achieve in the PL.

    I am wary though of what change we will see. The grass is not always greener on the other side, but the grass if getting really patchy this side too…what to do?

  • 83 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 5, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    JfA

    Well, it wasn’t me who claimed the club spent £30M was it…

    You accuse me of going on about the accounts yet you (and others) use money all the time as a stick with which to beat MA. Why does it matter where we are in the list of spenders on transfer fees alone? We know we had the 7th highest wage bill in 2011-12 whereas where were Southampton and Norwich on that list?

    The increased TV money is pretty similar for all clubs regardless of whether they get 52,000 at every home game or 20,000.

    Money is money is money. We have a much higher wage bill than the likes of Southampton and Norwich so it stands to reason that they will gain more from the extra TV revenue. Our wage bill was already too high so we need to offset that somehow and maybe it means less transfer fees.

  • 84 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 5, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    TS

    Well hopefully any new owner does his research on the fans and realises that we won’t tolerate a 3rd bad owner in a row. Shepherd was a fan who ran the club like that, MA started that way and became a cold businessman. We don’t want either of those thank you very much.

  • 85 SuperShearer // Sep 5, 2013 at 9:06 AM

    Okay, gonna play devil’s advocate here (I don’t agree with this but it’s a theory). Put yourself in MA’s shoes. He owns a Premier League football club, widely regarded as a big club due to fan base, single team city and history. But you can’t compete with the sugar daddy teams of Chelsea or City, you can’t compete with the prestige of Man Utd or Liverpool or the pull of London for teams like Arsenal or Spurs. What do you do? Do you invest a lot of your own money into a club that already owes you money and risk losing it OR do you keep it ticking over, hoping to keep it in the league until the Financial Fair Play Rules come into play? It’s your club, you don’t have any childhood affiliation to it like the fans do, you see it as nothing more than a business and advertising venture…..what do you do?

  • 86 Transfer Sage // Sep 5, 2013 at 9:06 AM

    TDS

    I agree, we dont want either of those but I think ashley won’t consider us fans he will just consider his bank balance when he sells…therefore trying to force him out may or may not get us a different owner quicker but i think it will have zero effect on the type of person he sells it to.

    what do you think of that? or are you more hopeful of him?

  • 87 Ibizatoon // Sep 5, 2013 at 9:08 AM

    SuperShearer…Pretty much what he is doing, but don’t fill fans heads with rubbish about being active in the transfer market or hire a DOF bleeting on about taking the club back to where it belongs…fighting for the CL.

  • 88 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 5, 2013 at 9:08 AM

    We know the club is hunting for good deals in the transfer market and will play hardball at the negotiating table.

    You know, I think some of you would have been happier if we had:
    – signed Cisse for £15M 18 months ago
    – signed Anita for £8M last summer
    – given Ba a new contract worth £80kpw last summer
    – signed Sissoko for £8M last Jan
    – signed MYM for £12M last Jan
    – signed Goofy for £5M last Jan

    etc. etc.

    All on higher wages of course…

    Because that’s what the previous owners did. They didn’t compile a list of players and then wait until they were available at the right price, they just went out and bought some regardless of the high price (Owen, Martins, Boumsong, Duff, Luque, Marcelino etc.)

    If we had bought players of the calibre of Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa and the rest at market prices then we’d probably be in another £100M debt right now and they wouldn’t be any better!

  • 89 fatman // Sep 5, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    I think we will finish bottom 3 because the squad has been Pardewed, the bloke spends too much time in night clubs perving over young lasses and it seems the younger the better hardly a good example to younger players, we need to score more goals, and we are hoping for good luck on the injury front. i will except we have a fairly good first 11 but we have a s**t manager, and a clown for a dof who spends more time on sniffing his fingers than working on signings. mind i doubt we will finish below fulham, so that’s two more useless teams to find. we need to start to do what Ashley claimed we would do buy young promising kids to bring on and sell, i have no problem if Ashley made shed loads of money by it, but sadly we will not get there with the numpty manager.




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