Could This Be Why Newcastle Didn’t Go After Tom Ince?


We have an idea why Newcastle didn’t pursue 21 year-old Tom Ince of Blackpool too much in the summer, and that’s because we already have Sammy Ameobi at the club,  and Sammy is probably at the same level as Tom, although he hasn’t played as many first team games as the son of former Manchester United great  Paul Ince, and maybe that points to a problem at Newcastle.

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Tom Ince – 99 first team games and 30 goals

But it’s interesting to us that Sammy has been included in the England U21 squad this season and Tom Ince hasn’t, and last night Sammy was an unused sub in England’s 1-0 win at home to Moldova.

The goal came  from West Brom striker Saido Berahino after 13 minutes,  and England dominated the game, which started our quest for the Euro 2015 U21 Championships. and the first game in charge for new manager Gareth Southgate.

Sammy is three months younger than Tom Ince, and this is the rather odd positive statement Alan Pardew made on Tuesday when the transfer window closed and we failed to make any permanent signings – and it was written by either Joe Kinnear or Mike Ashley – take your choice:

“We are delighted to have brought Loic Remy to the club in this window and we believe he will form an exciting and effective partnership with Papiss Cisse.”

“Joe has worked hard on numerous targets, particularly an additional offensive player.”  “However some of the options that were available within our financial means were not as good as the players we already had and there is no point bringing in new players unless they can improve us and take us forward.”

“We did the majority of our business in the January window, signing five excellent first team players.” “With the strong squad we have we should all approach the season in a positive, optimistic frame of mind.”

The underlined piece of Alan’s statement probably refers to Tom Ince and Sammy as just one example, and Newcastle have been at fault over the last six years or so of not giving their youngsters enough chances in the first team.

But Tom’s record in football is so much better than Sammy’s – and  Ince has played 99 first team games with 30 goals (in the Championship), and Sammy has played only 39 games with 3 goals, but those are mostly in the Premier League.

Sammy could score more goals and develop more quickly if he was given a long sequence of games, which he hasn’t had at Newcastle, and to further his development Alan Pardew could  send him out on loan through say January, so he can get the games that Tom Ince already has under his belt.

It’s OK keeping Sammy at Newcastle, but he must be given games if he is to develop.

Shane Ferguson is on a season long loan at Birmingham, and should be a lot  better for it when he returns to Newcastle next July, and maybe Sammy should also be sent on loan, to  more quickly develop the  undoubted skills he has.

What do you think?

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152 comments so far

  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #1

    Sammy the Donkey played last 15 minutes.

    Ed get your facts right.

    If Sammy makes it at NUFC, then it would only be because we got relegated to League 1

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  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Sep 6, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #2

    B4 the Fulham game I would never have trusted pardew about the Cabaye situation.

    But the way he played. It was all to clear that Cabaye did indeed go on trike.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 6, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #3

    I was wrong? It wasn’t about money. Damn.

    There is a good argument, that someone like Ince would bring direct competition for Sammy.

    That’s not my issue.

    If we need to get rid of players, as we have a 25 man squad, then move on the lower tier players and give us some actual decent options.

    I have been willing to give Obertan some time, as an example, but he hasn’t really improved and isn’t what we need…even Pardew seems to think so these days.

    I’d much rather have Ince in than Obertan.

    The other side of this issue is they can buy the player and then loan him, say back to Blackpool. A bit of forward thinking?

    If we’re going to claim players are just too expensive these days, then we need to buy them when they’re less expensive. Think ahead and you can continue to do things on the cheap.

    Use the loan system, like the well run clubs do.

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  • Jamseyd24

    Sep 6, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #4

    I hate to say it but Sammy is not even close to Prem league standard, and I don’t think he is as good as Tom Ince.
    Can anyone tell me what has happened to Hidara, he showed some good potential at the end of last season?????

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  • martoon

    Sep 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #5

    Sammi actually played a good pass to put the striker through on goal (forgotten his name) who then missed an open goal.

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  • croftus5678

    Sep 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #6

    i’d personaly disagree with that tbh

    ince is a better player than sammy ! he’s more mobile for more of the game has better vision a better pass,reads the game better and has a better shot + he’s a lot more experianced.

    sammy looks like he’s coming through really well and is causing tons of problems to the point where we look a better team when he does play for us and i think he’s our best option on the wing as it stands.

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  • Slank

    Sep 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #7

    Repost

    ArtyH @ 19

    Its very arguable whether he is better in an auxiliary strike role or as he normally plays now. I guess trying to coach him is like herding cats.

    The thing about Ben Arfa is that, unlike all the other players at the club, he can quite easily get past his man and often the next one and sometimes the one after that. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t but that’s not a reason not to try.

    He uses his quick feet, balance and very quick turn of pace and speed. To do that he needs space in front of him. In an auxiliary strike role upfront he may not have that freedom.

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  • 2_goal_tino

    Sep 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #8

    There is absolutely no way anybody can think Ince and Ameobi are on the same level. Ince and Zaha were miles ahead of everyone else last year. Meanwhile Sammy scored one very good goal for Middlesbrough and proceeded to be non-existent for the rest of his loan.

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  • Slank

    Sep 6, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #9

    Ed,

    My view is that his old man wants him to play for ManU his old club.

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  • Lew Davies

    Sep 6, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #10

    No the reason we didn’t bring in any new faces is the ‘sell to buy’ policy.
    As much as the regime deny we have one.
    If Cabaye had been sold we would have brought in a few re-enforcements. Particularly the ones Pardew wanted.
    I don’t think we were ever really interested in Ton Ince

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  • Mark29Hungary

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #11

    Tom is a better player…

    We should buy him and send Sammy loan.

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  • Barton

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #12

    I have a idea why Newcastle did’nt go after Ince……he costs money!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #13

    Sammi wasn’t successful at Middlesbrough. He failed to get a long run of games there as he was dropped due to not being good enough. Ince is far and away superior, but by all accounts Sammi is better than Redmond at Norwich in Kinnears eyes, so I’d guess the club view him better than Ince as well.

    He needs to go out on loan again, but can we afford to having not brought in sufficient numbers during the window?

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  • Tommyy

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #14

    I don’t think we were interested in anyone who wasn’t French and cheap.

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  • Tinman

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #15

    Jamseyd, he is injured.

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  • Tommyy

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #16

    I’m amazed we didn’t go for Redmond, but knowing some insiders at Brum, he had allegedly verbally agreed to join Hughton at Norwich when Hughton left.

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  • richyg01

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #17

    SACK THE BOARD

    Sammy needs to go out on loan again.

    He didn’t do too well at ‘Boro, but to be fair he was in a team lacking in confidence, so it is hardly surprising.

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  • Bearsize

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #18

    Yeah ince is a mile ahead of sammy and always will be. Sammy needs a loan to a good champ team, not to the most convenient champ team! One of the big boys will snap up ince next summer when he will be worth 15million and we will still have sammy. Actually sammy is signing a new contract, i was wondering why he started showing a glimpse of promise. Shola number 2!! Prove me wrong sammy please!!

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  • VanToonMan

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #19

    Guys can someone pleaseeee tell Pardew to give Obertan a chance up front. I have said it about 50 times….with his pace to run in behind players it could be effective – I agree he cannot cross to save his life (apart frothe ball he put onto Demba’s head 2 seasons ago away at Stoke) – BUT he can finish…..PLEASE PARDEW TRY IT OUT FOR 2-3 GAMES as an option from the bench at least – instead of writing him off from even making the squad!

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  • VanToonMan

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #20

    AND by the way – I would be more excited see him up front with Remy or Cisse -THAN SHOLA!!!!!

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  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #21

    People saying Sammy needs t gout on loan to a CC team. for me he is not good enough to be in a CC team. League 1 t best.

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  • JackButler

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #22

    I think almost everyone would have preferred to have had Ince instead of Sammy but the club have used it as a cop out not to spend any money

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  • Dekasalya

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #23

    We didn’t try to sign Ince because he wasn’t on the market for a fiver, won’t play for YTS money and JFK gets the wobbles if he has to go north of Daventry.

    Tom Ince appears to be a quality product for which one might expect to pay a price that reflects the quality. Not an economic model that JFK’s owner uses anywhere else in the Sports Direct empire.

    Since JFK’s owner wants to run the Club like a branch of Sports Direct, I imagine the even now JFK is somewhere in South Asia watching thousands of boys practice keepy uppies to try and spot a “bargain” for Ashley .

    The upside of this would be that at least we would have some idea of what the old booby was doing.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #24

    Anyway, Ince has come out and said he was reluctant to move to a Premier League club as he didn’t want to be sat on a bench or worse for half the season. Finally someone who has learnt from Johnson/Sinclair/Sidwell/Cole etc.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #25

    He is also vastly overpriced due to his surname being Ince…

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  • Toon-Prodigy

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #26

    That statement grinds on me..

    “Joe has worked hard on numerous targets, particularly an additional offensive player.” “However some of the options that were available within our financial means were not as good as the players we already had and there is no point bringing in new players unless they can improve us and take us forward.”

    The problem with this is their is tons of footballers out there that would upgrade our squad that is within the price bracket we CAN afford. It’s complete rubbish.

    Joe dragged his heels, I mean the bloke went on holiday the same week he started didn’t he? Week after week targets slipped away due to a lack of purpose. He messed on going between Bent, Remy and Gomis. And what was that Kone bid early on?

    We could of had deals done if we really wanted to. He messed on. We had a 7 mil bid for Gomis accepted then did are usual trick of messing around in negotiations with the player. A poor 2 million bid was made for Bent, I don’t rate him, but im surprised Joe didn’t get a clip from Lambert for that measley bid. Ridiculous.

    For me Joe made hard work of it all on purpose, he knew all along through his and Mike’s eyes Remy was enough and that was our wack.

    Plenty players were available and were in are price bracket.

    The bottom line is we didn’t want them and never really tried.

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  • JackButler

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #27

    Lilongwe Geordie

    I’d say he’s overpriced as he’s English, I was amazed that Redmond went for only £2 million to be honest

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  • Owldman

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #28

    The reason Tom Ince has played so many times for Blackpool is that they have fewer players than Newcastle and have use their limited resources. Hence the reason Ince has played so many times.I believe Liverpool were in for him last season but weren’t prepared to pay the price for an unproven Championship player.

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  • kira13th

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #29

    In my opinion, Ince is a better player than Sammy for sure.

    But I wanna see Sammy plays more, I also believe he will be a better player than his old bros.

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  • JackButler

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #30

    Toon-Prodigy

    Totally agree mate, the like’s of Scott Sinclair for instance, he far better than anyone we currently have and was sold for £5 million. If the club honestly think that he is not as good as what we already have or if he was beyond our financial means then there is something really wrong.

    We had no intention of signing anyone after Remy

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  • Toon-Prodigy

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Comment #31

    Jack,

    Scott Sinclair is the prime example.

    He ticks every single box of our recruitment strategy.

    Cheap, at an excellent age, hungry with a point to prove and an upgrade on Jonas and Marv if he is playing on the left.

    Absolutely no reason what so ever why we never entered into negotiations other than we just didn’t want to.

    Pure lack of ambition and excuses for me.

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #32

    VanToon

    If Pardew started Obertan up front, you know full well what the reaction on here would be haha.

    “Pardew’s lost it” “He’s playing Obertan because he was his own signing” “He’s dropping our good players because he’s jealous of them”

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  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #33

    We also did not sign Alderweireld because he is not as good as Willo and Tayls

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  • JackButler

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #34

    Toon-Prodigy

    I’d have far more respect for this lot if they came out and were honest with us rather than spewing out this PR bulls**t every time.

    We are not stupid, we are not a bunch of ignorant dullards who will believe whatever we are told but that’s how we are treated.

    It’s a good job we are on an international break from the Premier League otherwise Pardew would have been pushed out in front of the press to peddle even more excuses and BS in support of the man that rail-roading him at every opportunity.

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  • Thump

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #35

    @TDS: In fairness, if Pardew started Obertan upfront he’d just do stepovers when it comes to kick off.

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  • Geordiedoonsooth

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #36

    The comments on here are why I don’t come on here often. The people on here (not you Ed) know absoluteley F*** all about football. Sammy Ameobi will be a top player I’m not saying he’ll play for the full England side but he will be a top player so will Campbell. We should be prepared to give these kids a long run in the team problem is with our supportes a couple of mistakes and they are jumped on straight away. We would rather have a 2nd rate overseas player than a home grown kid.

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  • JackButler

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #37

    Geordiedoonsooth

    the likes of Sammy and Campbell need to go out on loan for the season in order to develop, it did Dummett the world of good and he’s come on massively as a result

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #38

    Thump 😀 That may be more entertaining than anything else we would serve up though.

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  • bobby mango

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #39

    This article is pure wishful thinking…. A host of prem clubs were after Ince. If we let Sammy go on a free he would be lucky to be signed by Palace.

    The man cannot hit the ball cleanly. His crosses and shots always bobble and bounce, or balloon. Have you ever seen him wip in a couple of inviting crosses in a game?

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  • I-Am-Ahab

    Sep 6, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Comment #40

    So many negative comments… I agree withed . A loan spell aat a top half championship team….. Stop the hate toward home grown talent and give the lad a descent run of games.

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