Newcastle Now In The Dock For England’s Woeful Record?

Newcastle’s one  starter in the Premier League this season who’s been English is Steven Taylor, and that was in the first game at Manchester City, and of course Steven was sent off just before half time and has only just served his three match ban,  and it’s not clear he will be starting the game on Saturday at Aston Villa. Of course we have had Shola Ameobi start the last two league games, but Shola now being a Nigerian International brings up some question about his Nationality, but Shola played for the England U21 side and is a British citizen – so he’s English.

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Rio Ferdinand – limitation on foreign players

Arsenal were always the side that had very few English players in their side, but it seems Newcastle is now a team that has very few Englishmen (and a lot of Frenchmen) in the squad,  and of course we lost Danny Simpson, James Perch and Steve Harper this summer – all Englishmen.

And Rio Ferdinand has come out and blasted Newcastle and Manchester City for fielding so  few English players in that first game of the season,  and he had this to say:

“Having so few English players in the Premier League diminishes the English team, of course it does,” “Look at the Manchester City game recently against Newcastle. There was barely an English player on the pitch – three out of 22 starters, that is a disgrace.”

“If you look at it and ask whether there should be a stipulation that you have a minimum number of players who are English, even just in your squad, I think that should happen. If you look at a lot of teams, there are England players who aren’t playing for their clubs – yet we’re hoping to go to a World Cup and do well.”

We have to agree that there should be some maximum of foreign players allowed in any lineup in the Premier League, and are a little surprised that hasn’t been introduced, and just like there seems to be no real deterrent to stop rich clubs spending far too much money, there’s nothing to limit the number of foreign  players in a side.

Newcastle said they were trying to bring in more British based players in the summer, but of course if we were interested in them, they were too expensive, and one reason we have been concentrating on the French market is that the players are relatively cheap to bring in.

And using this as the reason why the England team is not strong is a bit of a ruse,  because during the 1970s and 1980s we didn’t have this problem in the league,  and the England side still couldn’t win a major Championship.

But if you haven’t got the results you get the reasons, – and this seems the latest one to explain England’s woeful lack of success since 1966.

Even Newcastle have won something since then. 😀

What do you think?

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18 comments so far

  • Transfer Sage

    Sep 9, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #1

    There will be nothing genetic to stop english players playing as well as germans, french, spanish, south american teams, etc etc

    The problem is coaching. The FA need to get more money into grass roots coaching, they need to get more highly qualified coaches involved in lower age groups for regional football.

    We need to address how academies work in the country, look what the kids are being taught…less put on results at a young age and more on development (a reason why big/tall.quick kids are picked over players with the potential to be better when 16/7 with good technique).

    A quota will not work, it could help, but unless we improve the quality of the kids coming though all it will do is dilute the league and make it a lower standard.

  • Ben3arfa

    Sep 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #2

    FA need to realise most English players arent that amazing and they are overpriced in the transfer market hence they are risky propositions for any Premiere League club to purchase.

  • Toon Tang

    Sep 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #3

    absolutely yes. there should definitely be a limit on foreigners in the starting 11. come to think of it, i would love a full starting 11 of just geordies, but how well that would work i dont know.

    Could we even make a good starting 11 out of just geordies i dont know?

  • Transfer Sage

    Sep 9, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #4

    it’s going to be impossible to get a cap though

    EU law does not allow it, unless the FA apply for a special circumstances exemption to the law, but without backing from players, the prem league or clubs then its pointless as it will never go through.

  • Rainrix

    Sep 9, 2013 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #5

    Well if english players were better……….

    Its such a convenient scapegoat for people justifying the national teams ineptitude, saying the leagues full of foreigners. The problems a lot lot deeper then that. But if it helps these patriots sleep then hey let them blast away.

  • Markaccus

    Sep 9, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    Comment #6

    The infrastructure of English footy is derelict. Fix this, create better English young players, and then big clubs will start signing them.

  • Markaccus

    Sep 9, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    Comment #7

    Also, stop all this “steet soccer skills” sh1te. If a kid is that good with a ball at his feet, why wasnt rooney training them to play actual football. If the world cup consisted of who could get the most balls into a crate on a moving flat-bed, then we would win every year!

  • Newcastle Brown Alien

    Sep 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM

    Comment #8

    I don’t understand the problem, without foreign players this league would not be the league it is, it would be the equivalent of the french league, as players would move on to different (bigger clubs). For example, france have been and still are a good national side, but many of their star players like ribery play outside France. Now is the English national team a lot better than the french, no. So why would we jeopardise our attraction for all the big players. We would end up being a feeding league and would be stuck with mediocre football from mediocre players, losing the european places. Get over the lack of english players in the league. Quite frankly they are overpriced and you can get an equal player for half the price (and a lot of the time half the ego) in places like France, Holland and Belgium.

  • fatman

    Sep 9, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #9

    Woy never comes this far north probably never heard on Newcastle so how do we effect the England team Rio Ferdinand’s a p***k

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Sep 9, 2013 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #10

    A quota would just lower the quality of entertainment and skill that people have to fork out ludicrous amounts of money to watch. I agree that there should be more English/British players playing at the top level, but don’t blame the foreigners for being better. It starts from the grassroots. From kids before they even get to academy level being taught the very basics. It starts in schools, in boys clubs. The UK has one of the lowest amount of qualified coaches per player in Europe, probably in most of the football playing world.

    Success is also valued to highly, the image of parents arguing and berating their kids on the pitch if they aren’t winning is one I saw regularly playing as a kid, and one that I imagine will still go on today. Parents playing out their own dreams of winning games through their kids. It isn’t just coaching that needs changing, it is a mentality problem that is virtually institutionalised throughout the UK.

    I used to play with people who were good players as kids, but hated playing because they knew that if they made one little error, they would be shouted at by their dad on the touchline. How can kids develop under that?

    Yes, coaching needs to improve and has done for years, but parents play just as important a role in the development as well.

  • ArtyH

    Sep 9, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #11

    If there is no form of regulation, and it may be to late now, we will end up like Scotland. Two teams up there, and maybe 4 or five down here. History repeating its self. Youngsters need to be developed, that’s where some of the T.V revenue should be going, no to overpaid over sea’s superstars, charity begins at HOME.

  • Sav

    Sep 9, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #12

    Its not Newcastle’s job to prop up the England team. Lets be straight, if English players were that good, they’d be prominent in overseas leagues as well as our own. That thye are not is because they are not good enough, pure and simple.
    But what about the ‘Financial Fair Play’ rules which Newcastle are probably one of the few clubs to comply with yet no sign of it being implemented at all – in fact 130 million extra was spent this window compared to 2012.

  • arctoa

    Sep 9, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #13

    It’d probably be easier to implement some sort of ‘home-grown’ rule for match-day squads as they do for season-long squad-lists. Anything more robust or centred on a single nationality is never going to be implemented, nor should it be.

  • ToonMatt

    Sep 9, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #14

    Rio needs to know that players who play in the North East will not get picked for England it’s a fact.

  • willgwent2k5

    Sep 9, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    Comment #15

    rio ferdinand is just an idiot with a big gob. oh and a junkie! i wish the fool had a lifelong ban

  • Faddj

    Sep 9, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    Comment #16

    Totally off topic but would really appropriate everyone’s attention for an up and coming project of mine (I’m a photographer)

    So, to celebrate 10 years of being a season ticket holder at this fantastic club, I want to gather a large number of you supporters who have also been a season ticket holder from anytime between now and 10 year ago, I want to hear your memories, your highs and lows, your opinions of this club and the goings on over the past 10 years.

    Photographically, by the end of this season I would like to have taken individual images of hundreds of fans wearing any Newcastle shirt from the last 10 years, that includes 3rd kits as well.

    I want to welcome fans of all shape, size, age and gender to get in touch if they’d like to be a part of this, no need to be camera shy, this isn’t a fashion shoot, but more of a documentation of the people who have shared the same memories as I have going to St. James’ Park week in week out.

    I’m really excited to get going with this, the project will run from now until the last day of this season, so I encourage you all to get in touch so we can arrange a date and a time to have your photograph taken.

    Email me at to find out more, I’m not an expert in writing so if non of this makes sense, please feel free to ask any questions and I’ll try clear it up for you!

  • dannymacnufc

    Sep 9, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    Comment #17

    although i am not a fan of rio, he is spot on, the fact we dont have one english player who is likely to start every week is an embarrassment to our club and to the premier league, people are talking about the next generation coming through is not good enough which is rubbish considering an england u-17 team won the european championship only a few years ago, these lads arent developing into good pros because of the huge influx of overseas players, we shouldnt cap the amount of overseas players, instead we should have a minimum number of english players, this will make clubs focus their money on producing talent of their own, also it will see an end to the high prices put on english players

  • karasu

    Sep 10, 2013 at 3:16 AM

    Comment #18

    English clubs nowadays don’t have time to wait for young chaps like Tom Ince or Josh McEachran to develop. They need finished articles like David Silva and Ramires NOW. There’s too much money riding on their success (or failure) and also how precariously balanced their finances are trying to keep the same amount of money flowing in.


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