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Newcastle’s Problems Opened Up Wounds Last Season

11:03 am, Wednesday, September 11th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 102 Comments

Steve Harper has given a lot of interviews in the press today, before he plays in his testimonial tonight,  when a Newcastlke United eleven will play an AC Milan eleven for charity, and it looks like the attendance will be over 40,000 for the game.

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Steve Harper – some open wounds last season

Steve has talked about what it takes for a player to be successful at Newcastle, and one thing is for them always give 100% effort, which is what the fans expect:

“I’ve said to an infinite amount of players when they signed, just make sure you give everything you’ve got,” “It doesn’t matter which country you’re from, what color your skin is, they want you to be committed to the shirt.”

“That’s the minimum they ask for, but you also have to have a certain character to succeed.” “I think a few players got a shock last season. It’s not only British players who get this club.”

“It’s not a case of ‘you’re foreign and don’t understand’.”   “Look at Fabricio Coloccini, Jonas Gutierrez, they get it the same way Kevin Nolan did.”  “Last year was a struggle and whenever you lose home games 3-0 to Sunderland and 6-0 to Liverpool, it’s going to open a few wounds.”

“And it did. It made a few people realise what’s needed to play here. It made a few players realise the size and the scale of the football club, as well as the situation we were in.”

“I think it was a huge wake up call for some people. Like others before them, it’s now up to the players who have come in over the last couple of years to show they can handle the weight of the shirt.”

“When you’re here, you have to give 100% to Newcastle United, not worry about whether you are going to get a move elsewhere.”

All the Newcastle players will hopefully have benefitted from what happened last season, because they will have seen how things are when things go well on Tyneside, they’re great, but also how things can quickly deteriorate when things go badly.

Hopefully one thing they will have learned is that it’s much better when things go well – and will bear that in mind on Saturday afternoon – when a win at Villa Park will definitely lift the spirits of the Newcastle fans.

A win is exactly what the doctor ordered on Saturday – and hopefully we can get all 3 points.

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102 responses so far ↓

  • 1 count // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    Mike Ashley’s sports direct to enter the FTSE 100 thanks to Ed’s free publicity. Wongas profits soaring also, all thanks to Ed’s endless free publicity.

  • 2 James RS // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    Harps is a brilliant ambassador for the club; talks so much sense and rarely says a word out of place..He should be given some sort of role within the club…how about Director of Football :)
    Keep chatting to Shearer Mr Harper… we need people who understand and want the best for Newcastle United within the club.

  • 3 SeanNufc87 // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:12 AM


    What on earth are you taking about?

  • 4 gus3232 // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    oh no shola be starting saturday,he scored for nigeria last nite,pardew will say he our new international class striker

  • 5 count // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    I’m being over dramatic of course. Doesn’t mean I am not, in some small part, correct.

    Ashley bought Newcastle for free publicity for his evil empire and some people totally play into his hands.

  • 6 martoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    James RS @2 Harper occasionally does the phone in on Total Sport BBC Newcastle – always talks sense. I’m hoping once tonights match is over with he might spill the beans about what is really going on behind the scenes – he must know things.

  • 7 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Harper coming out with some great stuff. I think we can piece more of the story together now.

    Players (at least some) did feel let down with last summers lack of investment / willing to push on and reward the team for their excellent efforts.

    There are players who are more interested in getting their bigger move who have not been doing their bit in the meantime to help Newcastle, their current club.

    Neither shocking news, glad to hear it come from someone who I do trust when he talks about the toon.

    Is it interesting that nothing has been said about Pardew or is that still to come?

    Count…Ed’s free publicity of SD and Wonga? Behave.

  • 8 nufc 11 // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Cant belive we didnt move for Shane Long for 5 million was a snip hes an out and out work horse, closing down (ALA Tevez and Bellamy in his hay day) making runs and gets the odd goal too at a better club he could improve alot were crying out for that type of player wen it doesnt go for cisse he looks disinterested that boils my blood 100% or notting or ship him out alot of our players need to wake up.

  • 9 Coach // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    He isn’t impressed by Cabaye’s behaviour is he:

    “When you’re here, you have to give 100% to Newcastle United, not worry about whether you are going to get a move elsewhere.”

    One day Harper might just make a top class manager.

  • 10 PorsgrunnMagpie // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Good words from a great man, should definately get a job within the club if he wants it.

    Does anyone know if his testimonial tonight is shown on NUFCTV or any other streaming site online? any information would be much appriciated.

  • 11 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:21 AM


    You say, “10,000 people putting in £2,000 is £20m and probably getting on for 10% of NUFC value. Swansea have (I believe ) 10% supporter ownership. A number of Scottish clubs have more than that.”

    I have nothing against wider share ownership, but I think its benefits are greatly exaggerated. Do you seriously think 10,000 fans will put in £2,000? And for what? What does it buy them? Even if they spoke with one voice, they’d be a minority shareholder with no powers. Mikey wouldn’t have to listen to them. Most importantly, it would be a bad investment financially. Can you imagine telling your lass, you bot only buying your season ticket, but also shares in NUFC costing £2,000?

    And, it not like it hasn’t been tried before at NUFC at a time when football clubs were thought to be attractive investments. I bought a few at the launch and more later when the share price fell. I made a tidy profit, and made sure I got out before they bombed.

    Isn’t Barca’s success funded by enormous debts? As for the Bundesliga clubs, isn’t their success built on home grown talent and not the big money signings that NUFC supporters demand every window?

    I do believe in employee ownership, the John Lewis Partnership being a good example. If only players would accept a share of profits instead of enormous wages.

  • 12 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Count…In a small part we’re all responsible. All publicity is good publicity.

    We all talk about it, hype up the hysteria and give coverage to those companies.

    What is it you want Ed to do? Not report on these two aspects of Ashleys ownership?

  • 13 martoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    count @5 – I get the sarcasm but don’t understand how it is Ed’s fault. He just summarises and gives his opinions on current rumours & stories.

  • 14 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Blackley…Saw your response to me from yesterday. £2-3m profit was from the last published accounts. We are now looking at an increase of around £20-30m a year, or so I understand.
    The discussion we were having was about what happens after the loan has been repaid, so that £240m, reduces to what, nearer £120m (rough figures)?
    So, £120m investment (not a small figure I know) in a company which produces a £20-30m a year profit is a return of about 16-25% on his investment p.a….plus free advertising for SD?
    Although the figures are more than likely somewhat off, I’m sure you get the point.
    If that were to be the case, I imagine there would be extremely few fans willing to sit by and let him continue. My point was why does everyone thinks he will just simply go once the “debt” aspect of the purchase has been repaid unless the fans are a thorn in his side and make him consider whether it’s actually worth it to him?

  • 15 count // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    We should come up with code names for Ashley, SD and Wonga… ;) never speak their names again.

  • 16 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    count…There you go :)

    Cheap would be a good one to start with, but it applies to both the first two. Hmmm….

    Cheap Tw@
    Cheap Tat


  • 17 James RS // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    Good words earlier Martoon yes lets hope Harps spills a few beans after the testimonial. On Pardew I do feel sorry for him somewhat, and also Graham Carr. I still think Pardew’s a decent manager the team finished 5th under him and looked good in all matches in the Europa league too he did get his tactics about right in Europe. Pardew also asked for certain players after the team finished 5th in the league and only got Anita; and look what happened. He again asked for players end of this season and got none…very worrying. Ashley and Kinnear are the problems not Carr or Pardew. Pardew does try hard under restrictive Ashley conditions; and does Kinnear really listen to Carr.

  • 18 James RS // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Call him “C A S H LE Y” :) notes in front of his eyes blinkering everything else. Give don’t take from NUFC Mr Cashley we are a football club not Sports Direct.

  • 19 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    James…The jury is still somewhat out for me with regards to Pardew. For now, I can see he is not a great manager, but nor do I think he’s as bad as many make out.

    He has been hung out to dry, but more importantly he is doing at least what Ashley wants of him, otherwise he wouldn’t be here imo. Therefore, it goes back to Ashley again.

    I hope Pardew relaxes a bit in his approach. With an almost full team available, with the addition of Remy I want to see a return to the approach we had near the end of our 5th placed season.

  • 20 James RS // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Agreed Ibizatoon… It’s Cashley at the end of the day

  • 21 Belfast // Sep 11, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    The blog is dead these days. The transfer window depression seems to have killed some people lol

  • 22 Blofal // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    Just looking at the team line ups post. I noticed Sparky had placed Colo as a defensive midfielder.

    Funny that because of course we need Colo at CB. But the man can pick out a pass and is very good one on one, I’ve often thought given another chance he would have been a world class Defensive Midfielder. I’d rather have him there than Tiote thats for sure. Then again I’d also rather play an attacking formation were DM’s are not required.

    If we played like Bayern Munich I wouldn’t care if we lost 3 nil every game. That’s what I want from my club. No respect for the opposition no matter who they are, Chelsea, Barcelona – have a go at them all. Put them on the back foot and keep pounding the goals or die trying. Remind them that playing a NUFC side that plays from the heart is just as dangerous as some oligarch attacking you with $90m worth of players.

  • 23 VanToonMan // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Seeing as Porsgrunn Magpie’s question seems to keep getting ignored, I take it the testimonial is not televised tonight? Or people are unsure?

  • 24 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Afternoon ladies and gentlemen, how are we all today? Good words from Steve, hope he gets the send off he deserves and that SJP is absolutely rocking tonight!

  • 25 Belfast // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Not on tv mate.

    I’m surprised Bt sport didn’t want to show it tbh
    They done Gerrards and the Petrov game

  • 26 BandB // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    There’s an interesting insight into the modus operandi of Sports Direct that arises out of today’s FTSE story.
    It is a reference to the company’s historic investment in gross margin being key to its success..
    Gross margin, as I understand it, is the difference between production costs and revenue. It is an extremely attractive signifier to investors.
    The emphasis is on driving down production costs to maximize the margin. There is reference to expanding the range and availability of SD products.
    Investment in improving the quality of the product is nowhere mentioned. It is literally “buy ‘em cheap and stack ‘em high.”
    Where does this leave us if this template is applied to a football club?
    Steady re-investment and development of the product, leading to an improvement in its quality, was widely-assumed to be the purpose five-year plan.
    Is this, or was it ever, the case?
    It makes me wonder whether there is any currency in believing that a financially strong Newcastle United will ever be of any benefit to the fans.

  • 27 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:30 PM


    Name me a successful football club that runs in the black. Even those with much higher revenues than our own. Sponsorship deals, ticket prices, CL TV money that we could only dream of having. Yet these clubs still do not run in the black or would be what you would call “financially stable”

    If the whole house of cards came tumbling down, and the football economy imploded much like the recent banking crisis, some major players in world football would come crashing down along with it. Perhaps football’s economy doesn’t have a bust?

  • 28 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    That is, with relation to the bigger players in world football. I am sure plenty of Portsmouth, Leeds, Coventry, Hearts fans would assure me that the football economy can indeed go bust…

  • 29 PorsgrunnMagpie // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Belfast, Cheers mate :)

  • 30 Mint // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    ! Cant believe MA has not signed a deal with ITV for a DocumDrama tv show of life at NUFC – Would get 8mil plus viewers easy

  • 31 shirtonapole tinooo // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    The chronicle website says it’s on there. Quote: ‘so if you want to see shearer partnering Ferdinand…’
    Emphasis being on SEE. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if those idiots just mean live text :)

  • 32 BandB // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:37 PM


    Maybe Ashley strongly believes it does have a bust. I’m not an economist. My point is that folks believe that one day they will see an on-field dividend from all this financial prudence. And maybe they won’t.

  • 33 toon kk // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    I think MA will buy in jan, he’ll have to if he wants to keep us in the premier league.

  • 34 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Bandb…Trying to bargains with a view to maximising profits is Ashleys bread and butter, as you say, quality doesn’t even come in to it. I imagine a little more care is taken in the approach for Newcastle, in the form of Carr, but the quality aspect will always come second.

    Doesn’t mean there won’t be any, just that’s it’s more by chance than intent.

    Sounds fun.

  • 35 JAMSHA // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Trapattoni sacked

    get him in our new sr bobby

  • 36 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Trying to get bargains*

    Full sentences Ibiza, you can do it!

  • 37 Belfast // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    It’s basically just the same as sports direct.
    Buy and sell for profit.

  • 38 Transfer Sage // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:49 PM


    Difference between financially in the black and stable though.

    Man utd has 500mil debts but is financially stable.

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:53 PM


    sports direct buy big brands who are struggling for a low price then turn something what made good quality products and sold for say £30 and drop the quality, keep the name and sell for £10…people think its great as they buy the brand not the product.

    Ashley got a bit of stick on national radio today for having 90% of his staff on zero hour contracts.

    They also said share prices have gone from 40p to £7 over the last 6/7 years and that his company is now valued at £4.25billion

  • 40 Nufcjoss // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Hello! does someone know when the tickets against Liverpool (19.10.13) enter the home page?

    thanx! -

  • 41 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    Belfast…Still a slight grey area. What are the profit margins that he will sell for? Cabaye at £10m would have made money, he wanted to go, yet is still here. It’s not as simple as sell for a profit imo.

    Maybe the thinking is to wait until next summer, where hopefully after a better season and wc players values will increase?

    We may not have seen the selling off of players for profit yet, but I still don’t trust that he won’t…no idea why though ;)

  • 42 Belfast // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    If Arsenal had of came back with a 15 million bid, he would have been sold.

    10 million profit.

  • 43 Belfast // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    Any of our players could go if we get a good offer.

  • 44 ToonArfa // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM


    Subs: debuchy, anita, guti, tiote, gouffran.

  • 45 BandB // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM


    You supported the “five-year plan” at a time when it wasn’t unreasonable to think it was about steady, sustained investment and improvement on the pitch. I have no problem with that.
    But you still say you have a basic sympathy with Ashley’s philosophy. Do you think steady and sustained development on the pitch is something we will see if we remain patient? Some would say the squad is stronger than it was this time last year? (though whether it is stronger than the one that finished 17th is a moot point.)
    If Ashley has simply deviated from a plan you once, and still do, support, what is the “back to basics” position?
    You are clearly not a blind faith kind of guy.
    Harper is right, the very spirit of the club is being killed by Ashley’s combination-locked cashbox of a heart.

    Is there a middle way?

  • 46 Himanshu Dhingra // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    I have a fear that at this stage in his contract Ashley will sell Ben Arfa for about 7-8 million a decent profit + it will get his wages off the books.

  • 47 Belfast // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    I don’t even think Ben Arfa is one of the highest earners.
    I’m nearly sure he took a pay cut to sign for us.

  • 48 toon kk // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    All our players are for sale if the price is right, what Mash forgets is if he invested more the squad would play better pushing the value of every player up.

  • 49 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM


    It was a fair assumption that 5 year plan was to drive down costs, increase revenue with the purpose of then being in a better position to invest in the future to see on field development. Look at Arsenal, following years of relative prudence, they have no bought one of the most exciting players in the world and they are still in an incredibly healthy financial position.

    If Arsenal then went on to win the league, or do very well in Europe then they will continue to grow financially, and thus continue being able to sign some of the most exciting players in world football.

    Whereas I think Ashley is driving costs down, increasing revenue purely so he can recoup his money from this club, and even make a profit when he sells. I’m not an economist either, so it’s just a cursory basic look at it.

  • 50 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM


    You reckon NUFC is now looking at a profit of £20 to £30M a year. Every other club is using their new revenues to invest in their teams in order to stand still, and Mikey knows he may well have to do the same, even if he wants to delay the inevitable as much as possible.

    If he wanted to bank that money/pay down the loan, our top flight status would be in jeopardy and that would bring the whole plan crashing down. That’s his gamble/balancing act.

    When the club repays the loan, the club should be worth £240M not £120M on your figures, and all things being equal. Not such the good return you think and high risk to boot.

  • 51 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    *now bought

  • 52 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:22 PM


    I would add that those profit forecasts seem very optimistic, and are no doubt with the benefit of the interest free loan.

    As to the advertising, I’m not sure why SD would get free advertising when Mikey is a 100% owner of NUFC but only a two thirds owner of SD. As to its value, I can’t see it being worth anything like the value of shirt sponsorship (the Wonga deal).

    Off to work now. Ah!

  • 53 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    BandB…This is where my real values get questioned. I’ll start by saying that I really don’t want a Chelsea or Man City owner, although I accept it’s naive to think you can compete with them if you don’t spend.

    We call it the Ashley model, but perhaps Arsenal are a better example?

    At the end of the day I support working within your means. I was impressed by the scouting efforts and the players we got for the price we paid was pretty amazing.

    It’s a slow process though. Arsenal have stayed somewhat competitive, although being the also rans for top 4 seems to have a limited shelf life too, as seen from the reactions of Arsenal fans the past few years.

    As for us, there has been no noticeable effort put in to youth, no risks taken buying players when we can afford them (PEA springs to mind).

    I just don’t see where it is that we hope to progress with, which has ultimately lead me to believe that progression is simply not part of the plan.

    I may well support the idea, but the club comes first and his intentions are not even mutually beneficial for club and owner so I can no longer support him.

    What did you ask me again? Have I even answered that? :)


  • 54 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Blackley…I feel this will end up being a lengthy post so will wait until I’m back on the laptop rather than end up smashing my phone out of frustration

  • 55 kt97toonarmy // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Imagine if cabayes baby is from newcastle. French geordie. He will have to stay then.

  • 56 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Conversation is pretty sparse here today isn’t it? Well if you lads and lasses are bored and are in need of a change of scenery, click on my link and it will take you to my own attempt at a blog – the NUFC Daily :D

  • 57 BandB // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM


    I love you to bits lad. But sometimes you have the diplomatic skills of a pint pot.

  • 58 Tinman // Sep 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Really looking forwards to tonights game.
    I’m sure we will give Harps a massive send off.
    Atmosphere will hopefully be twice that of most of last years games, where in my opinion our fans were quite flat, but that is to be expected with some of the performances!
    Can’t wait to see Shearer bang one in.

  • 59 Tinman // Sep 11, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    You can tell you have spent a long time following Ed’s blog. Tiote article ‘This player…………..’ classic Ed title! Haha.

  • 60 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 11, 2013 at 2:09 PM


    I love to stir the pot a little, you know that. Then you’ll people coming out of the wood work calling me desperate blah blah blah but they will still take a dander over to my page, just to see if they can find something wrong with it ;) haha


    I learnt from the best did I not? Haha Now you’ve made me feel self conscious…. haha

  • 61 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 11, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    *Then you’ll have people…

    My typing isn’t up to much today :S

  • 62 jazzyp // Sep 11, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Afternoon all
    Tinman-What I would give to have a young shearer playing for Nufc again.
    I hope harps has a perfect send off tonight and I wish him all the best for his future endeavours.

  • 63 BandB // Sep 11, 2013 at 2:13 PM


    I like your blog. It has a familiar feel to it.
    Especially the headlines ;)

  • 64 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 11, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    OK OK I may have used the “this player” like twice! Now there’ll be accusations of plagiarism next! haha

  • 65 Tinman // Sep 11, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    I grew up watching Shearer, he has been my favourite player for a long long time! Don’t think we’ll see the likes of him at our club again for a long time.

  • 66 jazzyp // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Me to mate. You wouldn’t see Shearer doing a cabs……….why, Because he played for the love of the club and nothing else !!

  • 67 Tinman // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Exactly the mate, the more I think of what Cabs did, the more it winds me up. Just look at the difference between the way Rooney and Cabaye dealt with the speculation.

  • 68 roy // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    Ashley said to be the fourth richest owner in the Premier league at 3 billion quid. So it shows how ambitious he is for NUFC, when he hires the likes of Pardew and Kinnear to run the show.

  • 69 Tinman // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    Ashley is very ambitious, ambitious in the fact he thinks he can keep on taking the piss without fans kicking up a fuss in the near future!

  • 70 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    This is what Steve Harper said in the Telegraph today, as he gave a little biology education on Newcastle and its fans:

    “If the club was a body, the fans are the heart.” “It’s a cliché, but the fans do bleed black and white. They are its heartbeat, but the link between the brain and the heart is no longer there.”

    “Newcastle are bleeding and if that isn’t addressed, if the wound is not allowed to heal, whatever is special about the club is in danger of dying.” “The fans make the club tick, but they feel detached from it.”

    “Whenever the club has done well over, the fans have been on board. They have been fully behind their team, their club.” “I think their loyalty has been tested far too often in recent years.”

    “It’s one of the great clubs, but it should be competing amongst the very best in Europe. It’s getting harder and harder to break on to the top table and opportunities have been missed.”

    “We finished fifth a couple of years ago, but to sustain that you need investment in the team.” “If I had a message to Mike Ashley it would be to engage with the fans, to repair that relationship. It’s not totally broken, but it doesn’t just need a plaster on it, it needs to be fixed.”

    Stevie Harper is an absolute gem
    He is more than just an ex player, he is a fan, a die hard fan, he’s part of the club, part of its history
    He’s seen the very best of times at NUFC and been there through the extreme low’s
    For a someone who has been through all that on a 20 year journey to come out and have to plead with the owner to put things right shows just how wrong Ashley has got it and just how bad things at the toon really are

    Hope you get the send off you deserve tonight wor stevie, you deserve it lad just gutted I can’t be there
    SJP is going to be electric tonight, show the FCB what it means to be a true part of NUFC

  • 71 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    Do you think harps comments on this article might be a bit of a shot towards cabaye to sort his sh*t out?

  • 72 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    Blackley…Back at my laptop.

    That profit is solely based on recent figures, plus the extra TV income due at the end of this season. Obviously if we spend in January that amount will have to be deducted, but we don’t know how much that will be, if we do spend at all.

    I wasn’t claiming that I thought this would work long term or anything like that, more questioning why people felt Ashley would suddenly just sell up?

    Truth is, I don’t think this current plan of making do and then spending will work long term. As we know, the rest of the PL clubs are spending that money, so it begs to reason that without investment, we will be left behind. I accept that, but does Ashley yet? Using your own words, I would guess you’re not sure either.

    “Mikey knows he may well have to do the same, even if he wants to delay the inevitable as much as possible.” – “may well have to” being the key part.

    I believe he thinks he can continue to do as he has, throw a bit at it to keep us in the league and ultimately turn more profit.

    What do you mean by “If he wanted to bank that money/pay down the loan, our top flight status would be in jeopardy and that would bring the whole plan crashing down. That’s his gamble/balancing act”?

    I’m not saying he will use every single penny to pay off the loan. He has supposedly already repaid some last year and was due to do the same this year, although I seem to remember reading that has been delayed.

    I am talking about a scenario after the loan has been repaid in full. Clearly until that point he is balancing keeping us in the league whilst trying to recoup his money.

    I was only working of figures I had read around the place regarding the clubs value. Are you saying the value to Ashley at the minute then is £370m (based on your eventual value of £240m + current loan of approx £130m)?

    We’ll work with that then.

    Value of club = £240m
    Yearly profit of say, £15m p.a, would be a return of 6.25% p.a….on the value, not his investment.

    His investment would only be around £120m, based on figures branded around the place, which would mean a return of around 12.5% on his investment p.a.

    Do you care to elaborate on that final part about SD and free advertising? No one is really sure why they would get free advertising. Personally, I’ve always offset it as a type of interest payment against the loan. Fair enough imo, I can get past that.

    Whether that figure is £1m or £5m p.a, I have seen nothing, nor have I heard anyone claim that SD pay any sort of advertising costs to Newcastle, so of course it’s a decent incentive for him. I’m really not sure what your point is.

    Look, I don’t have too many issues with the business end of things really and have spent the past two years arguing Ashleys case, however, I am seriously at the point where I think it’s just made up rubbish. What I really cannot stand is the constant misdirection. We have money to spend, we don’t have money to spend, we need players, we don’t need players…just give us a bit more clarity and deliver on what you promise. There will be mistakes, there always are, but for the past 12 months (a little over now), I’ve seen nothing but gambles due to being cheap.

  • 73 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    Ruddy…I thought you had gone back to law school? ;-)

    …now I know what you are doing in your lectures lol

  • 74 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Jesus Ibiza…throw in a comma, a punctuation or something :-D

  • 75 Pokat // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    How about that eh? Harps’ testimonial. Should be interesting seeing all those old fogeys trudging up and down the pitch ha ha. Looking forward to seeing Al’s salute again for old times sake.

    I hear theres a new blog on the go. Might be a good idea to supplant these awful ads with a redirect ad for it? :)

  • 76 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    Jesper…Put on your glasses mate, plenty of commas, full stops and general punctuation :)

    Bit long though…but what’s new there?

  • 77 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Google translate it :-D

  • 78 Pokat // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    @72 – a few pictures would break that tome up a bit as well. Do you have a pop-up version out?

  • 79 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    Ibiza…maybe that was the problem ;-) lol

  • 80 Pokat // Sep 11, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Um well its a long time since I went to sjp, wheres the best place to park the motor?

  • 81 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Pokat….A great idea. Sadly I don’t have a pop up picture version, but a man can dream.

    I’m going to work on an audio version for Jesper though. Should probably check if his hearing is deteriorating first….

    Jesper…Let me know when you can hear that beeping sound. Anything? No? Oh dear ;)

  • 82 fatman // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Made it home in good time going to the game, not done bad as i did not get out the operating theater till 5:30, i asked the consultant in front of one of the lads on the ward if it would be OK to go to the match and he said it was OK, all aches and pains but if Steve Harper can give us 20 years i can at least make the effort for i night mind i will have to keep calm as i don’t want my head falling off, could just imagine the joy i would give the Makems.

  • 83 jazzyp // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    I hope so mate. Personally I don’t think he’s had his heart in the club for a couple of seasons now for one reason or another……Depression-poor form-pardews tactics ect.
    To be truthful of what ive seen at Sjp this season, I think anita could become a cracking player given game time and not just used as a bit part player.
    Ibiza-how are you mate, keep that island warm for me pal we coming over to the bay next year

  • 84 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    Ibiza…no I heard it just fine mate ;-) lol

    …but a audio version does sound good – like a podcast or something. You better start talking to Ed and make it happen!

  • 85 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM


    Not back yet lad, flying over next Wednesday, starting the following Monday ;)

    Make sure you check out my *whispers* new blog…people don’t like it when I mention it :P haha

  • 86 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    Jazzyp…I have asked for a room with a view plenty of times and the only thing he is offering is Rhum ;-)

    …but the cheap kind lol

  • 87 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Jesper…Well, the hearing is still in doubt I’m afraid, we do have a new issue though. Can you talk us through this beeping sound that you could hear? :)

    fatman…Glad to hear it all went well and there were no complications. Seriously jealous you’ll be going tonight.

    Jazzy…The weather has been bizarre the past month or so. Torrential rain for about an hour in Ibiza town, roads flooded, no pavements left…lots of sewage :) Lovely stuff. I’m sure it will be back to normal by next summer…it best be!

    On your comment to tads about Anita, I agree. Think he will be a really big player for us. He doesn’t take the spotlight like lots of other players, but he pulls it all together, something out team is often lacking.

  • 88 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Ruddy…I’ll try my best to support you mate ;-)

  • 89 Pokat // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    …happy trails with Ed, I hear he is a man of inaction ;)

    All right i’ll quit just yankin’ that chain back ha ha :)

  • 90 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    Ibiza…what beep? Cannot recall us having a conversation about a freaking beep ;-)

  • 91 jazzyp // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    Beggars cant be choosers mate lol

  • 92 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Jesper…You know, the beep you said you could hear? Oh bless ya :)

    So, not sure if anyone has seen this new blog yet, the writer is obviously some over educated brat, but the articles are a good read ;)

  • 93 jazzyp // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    Bang on about anita. I don’t really see how anybody can criticize a player that has not been given a chance in the first team. Apart from being used as a bit part player.
    Yet another player that has had his confidence knocked out of him by Pards inept tactics

  • 94 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    jazzyp…What makes me laugh the most when people criticize him is that almost every time he has played, he’s been motm….yeah, must be terrible :)

    But we mustn’t forget, he’s only a small fella.

    Pardew said (I know, I know, what Pardew says is not always an indication of reality :) ) during the summer or at the end of last season that Anita would feature more this season. Maybe that was because he thought Cabaye was leaving though?

  • 95 yo-yo // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:27 PM


    You are still missing the point. Real investors look for long term growth and not short term gain by trading in milliseconds. That’s casino capitalism and the attraction to some supporters of having a share in THEIR club transcends the financial.

    AND – a club’s financial structure does NOT automatically mean you have to own shares to make a profit – that is only the plc model. Success on the field is a pretty good substisute for most fans. A bit of imagination is needed here. Co-ownership works in a huge range of enterprises including sports clubs and you are just putting up obstacles instead of acknowledging my main point. This is that – if you just shout Ashley OUT – you’ll get nowhere. If you start shouting – let’s get the supporters IN then your agenda is different but still involves the debate about a club’s future and long term ownership structure no longer being entirely at the whim of one man.
    If you think the benign dictator model works best in football club owneship then good luck to you – but a look at the Toon’s recent history won’t support your views.

    I really can’t believe you’re dissing Barca and the entire Bundesliga for their ownership models either.

  • 96 jazzyp // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Regarding Anita-You know what they say…………….big things come in small packages lol

  • 97 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Ibiza I’m on mobile so will keep it short. He paid £130m to buy club. Lets say assets were worth £230m and debts £100m. He is now the debtor, having cleared off third party debts. When loan from him is repaid by club, the club will be worth £230m, all things being equal. Will the club ever do well enough to pay it off?

    As I’ve said, I reckon he’s chiefly in it for the celebrity.

  • 98 Quasimodo's tailor // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    Ruddy is so far up his own arse that he’s giving himself a love bite

  • 99 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Blackley….Posting by mobile is a right pain.

    I think we’re still crossing the issue of value and investment.

    Value is recouped when the asset is sold. I’m talking about possible return on investment, which I think Ashley will be mainly interested in, as he has shown.

    Back to point, why would Ashley suddenly sell once the loan has been repaid and his investment is left at £130m if he can continue to spend little of the clubs money and keep it in the PL…which is what I believe that he thinks he can do, as this is his current practice.

    The reason I asked was because lots of people keeping saying that we should be patient, let him get back his loan and then he will sell. I’m just wondering why he would then go?

    Without the fans constantly applying pressure, I don’t see why he would. I can’t imagine he needs that £130m back to re-invest.

    Celebrity? Really? He’s a man that seemingly hates to be in the public eye, unless it is hand in hand with SD. SD is the celebrity status push imo and I don’t see why that would change after he’s got back the money from his mistakes, unless there is another reason to do so.

    I feel I’m writing the same thing over and over and don’t consider you to be a fool, have I not been making my point clear?

  • 100 Ibizatoon // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    Jazzy…Missed your comment there.

    That expression certainly works better than “blimey, that’s small, what you planning to do with that”.

  • 101 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    Must have rattled Ed’s cage

    Quick, before he deletes this one too!

  • 102 Ted Bundy // Sep 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    I’ll be reporting Ruddy for spam. Bald in his early 20s? What a revelation and likely another reason why he feels the need to toot his own horn and constantly prove himself. Such a tragic character.

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