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Pardew – Signs Of Success – We Spent £30M In January

4:25 pm, Thursday, September 12th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 132 Comments

The lead up to the important game at Villa Park on Saturday has started, as our players who were on International duty have now returned and are preparing for the game against Aston Villa, and Alan Pardew will have a few selection posers for the starting eleven, with a number of players now fit and ready to play.

alan pardew in black wonga

Alan Pardew - has a few selection posers for Saturday

Alan Pardew was interviewed today, following the phenomenal scenes at last night’s Steve Harper testimonial,  and he is telling Newcastle fans that we have a good side this season.

This is what Alan had to say:

“It is important to understand we have a good side.” “We spent £30M in the last window.” “And Sammy and Dummett are young players coming through.”  

“The media and the fans reacted badly to the closure of the window.” (you can say that again) “The media and the fans reacted badly to the closure of the window.”

“But I think that we have a good side.” “Since Demba left we’ve lacked a player that increases our goal threat.” “Of all our players Loic does that with Papiss, Gouff and Shola to compliment that.”

“That other offensive player would have protected us a bit.” “I think Remy has enough in the tank to be considered for a start.” “Whether he can give us his best I doubt.” “He’s been a real gentleman around the place.”

“The signs for success are there.” “We have Cheick Tiote fit.” “That’s a competitive area for the team.” “For the first team in 14 months I have real competition in every area.”

So the manager is saying that we spent £30M in January on getting five French players through the door – Mathieu Debuchy, Moussa Sissoko, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Massadio Haidara and Yoan Gouffran – plus 17 year-old Kevin Mbabu.

The figure generally quoted for those players was around  £18M, so we’re not sure where the other £12M comes from – although that’s not the first time the £30M figure has been mentioned.

And it’s true that we have more competition for places, and in fact Yohan Cabaye may not start at Villa Park on Saturday, because  Vurnon Anita has played so well in Yohan’s absence.

And Anita is a typical Ajax Academy graduate –  Vurnon’s skillful and very efficient in the way he plays the game –  and it’s good to see the 24 year-old coming through this season.

And Alan Pardew will want to start Moussa Sissoko who adds power to Newcastle’s central midfield, so when you add in Cheick Tiote to the bunch,  there are four very good players challenging for central midfield,  and Dan Gosling has also looked good in pre-season too.

Alan will also have to decide between Yanga-Mbiwa and Steven Taylor for center-back, but it’s hard to see the manager leaving out the Frenchman,  who has played so well alongside Colo in the last two league games.

What do you think?

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132 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ibizatoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    I am guessing many will think these comments are terrible, personally, I think it’s probably been handled more or less spot on by Pardew.

    Short of him shouting and screaming and then quitting that is.

    Truth is, the squad isn’t terrible. It’s Pardews job to instil belief within the players we do have and bleating on and on about not getting his new players will hardly act as motivation for them.

    He has said that he would have liked one more, much like he did all summer (and last), so we can see it’s clearly not him sitting there saying “No Mike, don’t spend any money, we’re absolutely perfect”.

  • 2 Mint // Sep 12, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    We have a good team and no pressure, we could repeat our 5th place finish as long as we don’t get 4+ senior injuries
    Be positive!

  • 3 Coach // Sep 12, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    There is very little evidence that we have a good team. We have a good squad of players but that’s not the same thing at all.

    For about 15 minutes against Fulham we looked good but I can’t remember when I last saw us do that. I really hope that it was us who were good with Remy on the pitch and not just Fulham sitting back looking for the draw or a lucky win.

  • 4 Nufc-83 // Sep 12, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Mikey ftw

  • 5 toon kk // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    I don’t know why so many think we have a great squad. We have a average squad made up of a few good players the rest wouldn’t get on a bench at a top club.
    We were nearly relegated last season surely that tells a story.
    So don’t expect to much this season especially with our manager.

  • 6 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    The only problem with these recurent comments from Pardew is that he is digging his own grave…slowly but digging it!

    ..let JFK take the praise for this fantastic window where we really showed how to build on last season’s mistake ;-) lol

    Pardew is a gentlemen no doubt!

  • 7 Widowmaker // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    The Empire Strikes Back

    Funny how they spent our hard earned money to hire JK and the PR team to piss us.

  • 8 nufc-olek // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    Ed. You have to remember when Ashley signs a player he consider wages, agent-fees and the money they have to pay to the club as the total amount.

  • 9 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    I think Pardew’s right. We’ve got a decent squad.

    SO NO EXCUSES PLEASE ALAN WHEN IT ALL GOES TITS UP. Don’t blame the fans, the injuries, the number of matches, the referee, the travelling, the opposition tactics, or even the other guy Willo … TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOURSELF MATE. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, but it will.

  • 10 phatt knacker // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    pards and joke spoke alot all summer about bringing in players. Yet again its us fans and the evil media twisting it??????? why did we even bid for pea and gomis if we have good competition up front all ready ( i see remy as a wing forward/hba role ). I understand that he has got to motivate the team and we have good players some very good but atleast be honest with us and dont blame us for dancing to your tune.

  • 11 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    toon KK

    We haven’t got a great squad, but I’d like to know outside the top six, which squads you’d swap ours for? No reason why, with a good manager, we couldn’t reach seventh or eighth.

  • 12 Coach // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    If Remy comes good, if he stays fit, if it turns out he gels with Cisse and if the rest of our first choice attacking line up stay fit, then we could do quite well.

    We’re one “if” or one injury away from having no goals in this team. The squad looks good but where do you think the goals are coming from?

  • 13 roy // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    If we had a manager who managed not a PR man we might do something I still reckon Pardew will be gone well before January.

  • 14 Shadow_Shearer // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Pardew doesn’t know how much we spent this season, never mind last.
    I was looking for tickets to newcastle vs chelsea on 2nd, but the only games available on the newcastle site is hull, leeds and everton. Can anybody advice me where I can get those tickets from, I’d be most greatful.

  • 15 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    I presume everyone has read the quote from SBR on this site.

    I would like to highlight the beginning of this:

    “What is a club in any case?”

    “Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it.”

    Some people use this quote as a stick with which to beat the current “regime”, stating that Ashley is disrespecting the traditions of the club, sucking out the soul etc.

    I read this quote completely differently though. In the end, it doesn’t matter that we have an owner who runs the club like one of his Sports Direct stores, it doesn’t matter than we have an average manager or a useless DoF. What really matters is those people involved on a matchday (manager, coaches and players) try 100% for the team and we (the fans) get our thrills from that. The football can’t always be as exciting as it was under KK, it can’t always be as successful as it was under KK or SBR, but we just want to see passion and skill on the pitch.

    I’d like the fans to remember this, to get behind the team as much as possible and to keep any demands for Ashley to be replaced to outside the ground. Once we’re inside, we should make as much damn noise as possible like we did at Harper’s testimonial.

    I know TADS said that has been made more difficult with sections being moved around and I hope we can find a way to work around that and push the current team to showing the passion and energy of previous ones that we loved for it.

  • 16 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Evening gentlemen, and how are we all today?

  • 17 Charlietoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Mbiwa has helped keep two clean sheets in two and should keep his spot. If tayls was out due to injury thats one thing but he is out because of a stupid decision so he should have to win his sport back.

  • 18 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    I would imagine that £30M includes wages, signing on fees and agents fees. People seem to forget that there’s more to spend that just transfer fees.

    I can’t see how the figure is right even then though…unless signing on fees and agency fees were pretty high and the amount just includes wages for 1 year? That might make sense…so the investment is for that year.

  • 19 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    TDSarf

    Ashley has deliberately tried to stifle the passion of the NUFC crowd. He knows passionate fans will be against him, whereas crushed and deflated fans are easier to exploit and manipulate.

  • 20 toonicle // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    Should Cabaye get the start over Anita at this point? Anita has been great and Cabaye hasn’t really been all that special so far this year…

  • 21 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Ruddy…you know what they say about people using their own name? ;) lol

  • 22 Transfer Sage // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    TDS

    when you consider 20k a week works out at 1mil a year and we got 5 lads…all around 20-40k no doubt thats the extra 10mil on top of transfer fees i’d guess.

    I don’t know why they count wages when other clubs don’t (at least when saying how much they spent). We all know wages get paid and all clubs pay them.

  • 23 Transfer Sage // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    ruddy

    i want to like your blog but i can’t comment on it…it just can’t create an account no matter what i do haha.

  • 24 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Ciaran

    I’ve heard that before and that’s really sad. Is there anything I can actually see to see what he has done and any explanation of why he might have done it? Silencing the crowd seems an odd desire…

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    toonicle

    i wouldn’t start cabaye ahead of anita if thats the option…i would start them alongside each other

    i’d go for normal back 5

    cabaye, anita, sissoko
    hba, cisse, remy

  • 26 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    TDS…what the great SBR means was that a Football club is nothing without it’s fans!

    …owners and managers come and goes, but the fans remains! They don’t define us! :-)

    TDS…there are alot of different ways to support that there is NUFC without sitting at SJP cheering in ignorance.

  • 27 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    The money spent last January should of been spent last Summer.

    Where this 30 million has come into it I have no idea as Ed has commented on. No way did we spend 30 million. Sissoko was a bargain at 2.5m, as was Gouffran at 1.2m. We got Debuchy in at a knock down price at 5.5m because of our summer penny pinching. Haidara was 2m and MBiwa was 6.7m.

    Pardew is just keeping the place together and keeping spirits up. And you notice once again he is talking up the young lads because he has no choice, same as last summer. He knows we are lacking in ambition, he has shouted and cried for players all summer.

    And we may well have competition for places, it’s the quality of the competition that is comcerning and always has been.

    We never strengthen the squad as we should each window, and we our always playing catch up because of our penny pinching ways. This puts us in a weak position when battling in this league over the course of the season.

  • 28 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    TS

    Because MA is a bean counter!

    And because the fans are constantly complaining about lack of investment so he’s come out and made the point that we did invest £30M extra this year on players already. I’m sure that would put us right up there for 2013 in terms of transfer fees, other fees and extra wages.

    Add Anita and Remy to that figure but subtract Ba, Harper, Perch and Simpson and it’s still a decent figure but of course we still wish we’d signed that extra striker…

    Fingers crossed that Cisse and Remy stay fit and score lots of goals!

  • 29 santonthenewmaldini // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    Would love to see us go back to 433 and have a proper go at Villa their defence is nothing special

    Got to stop them pumping balls into the box for Benteke as well have a funny feeling Shola will play to mark him at set pieces as not sure Colo and Mbiwa will fancy the physical battle with him to be honest

  • 30 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    jesper

    Cheering in ignorance? When the fans are at SJP and the match is in play, we’re cheering for our players to represent our club in the way we want them too, showing passion and skill.

    How do you think the players would react when fans are calling for Ashley out or Pardew to be sacked. Hardly gives them confidence…

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Sep 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    TDS

    I have very little time or interest in doing this so i wont but for 2013 if you took all clubs signings, wages and agents fees i bet we wouldn’t be that high.

    And i prefer to go season to season….not calender year when doing this, just like to go off each season as thats more important.

  • 32 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    Sage

    I know that my wordpress details from this account did not work so I had to create a new log in when I created my blog. Try registering a different account when you try to comment on my site and maybe that will work.

  • 33 Transfer Sage // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    TDS

    cisse and gouff have good fitness records

    remy has played in total games for the last 5 years – 36, 36. 43, 42, 26

    so other than an injury last year he has been pretty good as well

  • 34 Transfer Sage // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    ruddy

    i tried to do that but somehow ended up creating my own blog haha

    i’ll try again

  • 35 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    TDS…if you are not willing to put anything on the line nothing will be gained!

    …you qouted SBR before so you should know NUFC is bigger than the players as well. Look at what just happened at Bologna ;)

  • 36 John Tudor // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    the man will argue with a wet sock

  • 37 nantheless // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    does it mean that if he had shit yesterday, he don’t need to shit anymore?

  • 38 Jail for Ashley // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    More damn lies from the club, if we spent 30M this year then how much were all the other tems ”hidden” costs.

  • 39 John Tudor // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    undisclosed matey

  • 40 naptoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Darnsarf
    Support the club not ash stop peddling his propaganda man …. You’re either a plant or the most gullible and disconnected fan out there

  • 41 naptoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    JFA
    The voice of reason

  • 42 John Tudor // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    not unlike a mushroom

  • 43 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    TDSarf

    Sorry only getting back to you now. Well the level 7 singing section were very vocal against him in the season down in the Championship. Their signing seemed to spread across the ground. So perhaps he thought if he silenced them, he’d silence his critics.

  • 44 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Sage

    Well there’s worse things to be at than creating your own blog. I for one welcome the competition ;) haha

  • 45 Jail for Ashley // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    naptoon,
    At that meeting the other night, the PR kid tried to say we were the sixth highest spenders because of the 30M spent, but couldn’t disclose finance, only our ”hidden” costs count, other teams are only allowed to climb the spending table with actual cost of transfers. Ashley invented the rules to this particular spending table.

  • 46 John Tudor // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    ANTI-ASHLEY BLOG required go for it

  • 47 OhSholaAmeobi // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Maybe £30m includes agents fees or wages. Remember Ba wasn’t a ‘free’.

  • 48 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Jail

    Is that this kid Lee Marshall? He seems like just another lackey sent by the club to try and spin things for his benefit. Why doesn’t Mike send someone like Kinnear to explain things, or better yet, explain them himself.

  • 49 Jail for Ashley // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Ruddy,
    Tactics not unlike a prominent political party in 30′s Germany, and I don’t mean the Bavarian peasants parties.

  • 50 toonking // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    jesp
    maybe you should study the 08/09 season because we had tried calling for ashleys head that year but that didn’t get us anywhere Blackburn was constantly calling for keane’s head and the venkies out but again they got relegated.

    their might be more than just being in the stadium to support the toon but what you forget is that only in the stadium will you be able to keep the players and managers spirit and confidence up.

    every time we sign players they say it’s because of the great support that club has so if players started to notice the stadium looks like boro they will leave as quickly as they can maybe even go over to the scums.

    also by shouting why was their not more signings the players will be feeling even less confident because they will be thinking you (fans) think the players we have are rubbish

    as for the manager if we lost pardew it is just going to encourage joker to be manager why else would a DOF not do anything this window. even derak was attempting to sign players.

  • 51 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Jail

    Ah that takes me back….haha cook the books, make the figures look better for yourself so you can point to something to justify the extremities of your action, no matter how logically inconsistent your numbers are.

    The Geordie public aren’t stupid. How can you be 6th highest spenders when you’ve only spent 2m on a solitary loan fee in the most prominent transfer window of the year. Give me a break.

  • 52 John Tudor // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    feed them all the sh1t they can eat but keep them in the dark

  • 53 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Toonking

    With all due respect, what a load of old rubbish.

    I don’t care if Taylor loses confidence because we want another centre half. I don’t care if Shola’s self esteem is hurt because we want a new striker. I don’t care if Jonas cries himself to sleep at night because we want a new left winger. We need better players, we finished 16th last season in case you forgot.

    If players cannot hack a little added competition for places, then they don’t deserve to be professional footballers, and they don’t deserve to be at our club.

  • 54 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    Jail

    I think one of the things Time4Change need to be pushing extremely hard for is the restoration of the Level 7 singing section. I don’t care if it infringes upon the “largest family enclosure in the PL”

    Look at what designated signing sections provide for their teams. Look at BVB or Bayern Munich. It creates an incredible environment.

  • 55 JP...from The Rock // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    I really hope we start to string more than just 3 passes together in matches!!

    Our use of possession is atrocious. Very rarely in a match do we see a glimpse of our talent.

    Our players should have possession and good accurate passing drilled into them.

    Every match I see us give the ball away needlessly. Tiote is the biggest culprit of this imho. His passing really is awful. But no player in our team can save themselves from this sorry fact.

    We desperately need to improve our passing, keep it simple if we have to but don’t give it away passing the ball half arsed. We do that and keep Remy and Cisse fit and we will have a good season.

  • 56 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Time for a little self promotion. Click on my name to go to an alternative source of NUFC news and views. Would appreciate a leg up with getting the site up and running, even if you only want to comment and say home much you hate Ruddy Marveaux-lous haha

    Come one come all :D

  • 57 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Hears a new excuse for you pardum someone in the crowd coughed causing Shola to miss hit his shot. they had the ball more than us. Jonas Gutierrez kept slipping on the mud. Cheick Tiote found it too cold. the windy conditions did not suit our stile of play. the referee kept letting them keep the ball.

  • 58 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    *how

  • 59 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    How did the op go fatman? Heard you put yourself through the ringer to get to the game last night and you didn’t manage to get in. Hope you’re feeling better though bud.

  • 60 spitfire_ // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    First those 30 mill should be spend last summer and second… since Jan every one club is stronger… but yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay dumbass.

    Lick Alan, liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick.

  • 61 Transfer Sage // Sep 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    toonking

    It’s a difficult balance. Blackburn is a good example of what not to do. They jumped on the owners and manger and did all their protesting during the game, booing all the match…killed the atmosphere and players who were not longer term or had some deep connection will have thought “why are we playing for these ungrateful lot”…it relegated them, got what thy deserved.

    Everton on the other hand did it well. They protested before or after the game, not every week just at select times. They wanted the owner to spend money or sell up…he said there was little to spend (so gave them a clear message) and said he would look to find a good owner to sell to which would take the club forward. Great achievement from the fans…and they still backed the team on the pitch.

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    ruddy

    A proper fan…or traditional/hardcore fan (might be a better way to put it) section is needed.

    I’d love safe standing introduced in the league and the gallowgate made all standing…get an extra 10,000 in and the noise would be amazing.

  • 63 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Samuel Ameobi coughed the hard his boot flew off. half the team don’t like playing on grass. they cheated and did not tell us we had kicked off. they told us we played Sunday.

  • 64 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    Sage

    I’m a massive supporter of safe standing. I think it needs to be introduced into this country sooner rather than later. I think there will be a discussion regarding safe standing in Parliament and I’d be very surprised if we don’t see it introduced into English football within the next 5 years.

  • 65 santonthenewmaldini // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Will be raging if Jonas or Tiote gets back into the team to be honest

    They should only get to come off the bench if we are trying to protect a lead

  • 66 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Ciara very well i had a few of them eating humble pie they claimed i would be worse that i was but i learned one good lesson don’t try going to a foot ball match 25 hour after a neck op

  • 67 Transfer Sage // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    ruddy

    yeh totally agree. People need to also understand it more, not enough realise it’s safer by far than previous standing.

    And even previous standing was safe…the disasters have all been shown to be an issue of policing..letting too many in, etc

  • 68 John Tudor // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    get those planes made from programs in flight every game home and away make them from the rubbish bits of the program

  • 69 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Ciaran

    I will check your blog tomorrow going for a rest now as i have just stopped coughing and a bit unpleasant i kept thinking my head was going to fall off, its a bit nervy when your heads held on by 4 plastic screws.

  • 70 toonking // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    ruddy
    use your brain
    unless the rest of the team is deaf every single player will hear it so for all they know you could be saying they are rubbish
    also how do we get the youngsters come through .

    the fact of this is every single player at that game will hear the same words.

  • 71 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Fatman

    Ciara is a girl’s name in Ireland! haha but I’ll let it slip. Goes to show you the lengths that some fans will go to. Newcastle United fans really are a unique breed! Glad to hear you’re feeling better lad, nothing is more important than your health!

    Sage

    Exactly, all part of the cover up perpetrated by the police and government. Safe standing is both economically more beneficial for clubs, cost effective for working class football fans, and can generate a fantastic atmosphere.

    Here’s hoping it makes its introduction sooner rather than later. The English game, not just Newcastle, is suffering and atmospheres just aren’t the same any more. Can you imagine the Gallowgate end just pumping and singing non-stop? Shivers and goosebumps just thinking about it!

  • 72 John Tudor // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    fatman i played in goal same day after the snip

  • 73 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Fatman

    No worries lad, take it easy.

  • 74 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    They want to use the same system for Kinnear but leave the screws slack then he can leave his head at home when he does not need it.

  • 75 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    If you buy a player with five years left on his contract, you pay a large fee. If you by him in his final year, you pay a small fee and bigger wages. That’s how it works isn’t it? The player benefits?

  • 76 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    Toonking

    I’m not saying that we go to the stadium and tell Jonas he’s s**t! But the reality is that we need a more competitive squad, do you not think that players like Jonas and Shola need to be upgraded?

  • 77 mattyNUFC // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    TDS

    I really can’t believe some of the tripe you so easily excuse. Level headed posters put your arguments squarely in their places and still you hold this blind allegiance.

    Sure, it’s conspiratorial, but I’m beginning to foster the belief, as other posters have brought up in jest, that perhaps you are a club employee. It defies logic how you can remain so steadfast on inane stances, much less how you seem to be on every single one of Ed’s posts

    Either that or you really are just trolling

  • 78 Transfer Sage // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    blackley

    i don’t think the player sees any of that money. The bigger fee is usually because clubs dont need to sell if a player has 4 years left on a deal so can charge more…but when only one year they need to cash in before he goes for free.

    ruddy

    yeh exactly…and a lot of fans stand during games anyway, a safe standing section would allow those who want to stand to do so

  • 79 toonking // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    ruddy i’m not saying I didn’t want new signings either a winger and forward were 2 places I was desperate for a new signing.
    what I am saying is when the match kicks off by shouting where are the signings every player will take it in a way being that you are saying he is not good enough it’s like TS said Blackburn were shout at their matches but all that did was get them relegated we were shouting our heads off in 08/09 and we were relegated but everton did them before and after the match when the players are not so likely to hear.

  • 80 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    TS

    When I say high, I didn’t mean top 6, but maybe top 10. Surely last season we must have been in the top 10, maybe we’ll sign one or tow in January again?

    Well if Cisse and Remy stay fit, let’s hope they get sack loads of goals too!

  • 81 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    Ciaran

    But can’t the level 7 people just sing elsewhere and stoke up the passion in other areas of the ground?

  • 82 toonicle // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    I’m also of a mind to let Remy play up the middle in a 4-3-3 with Ben Arfa and Gouffran on either side and let Cisse ride the bench for a game. He’s been way off his game these last couple weekends.

  • 83 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    mattyNUFC & naptoon

    What are you both on about? Show me one post that demonstrates allegiance or support for Mike Ashley!

    It’s funny how you think that MA doesn’t give a damn about the fans, yet you think he’d bother having someone post on this blog to argue the toss with some fans?

    If you’re going to make judgements on what I stand for, I suggest you either read my posts in context or just bloody well ask me.

  • 84 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    TDSarf

    The thing with signing is that, without a dedicated signing section, those who sing in various spots around the ground could in fact, be ruining the match day experience for someone who does not want to be in an area where there is singing.

    Standing is something that a lot of fans want to do while they are singing too, so a dedicated safe standing area for those who want to sing means that they can do so without blocking the views of those who want to sit, or ruin the experience for those who don’t want to sing.

    Toonking

    While we’re in the ground it probably is best to be as positive as we can be for the benefit of the team, you’re right.

  • 85 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    *singing

    We bloody well know that there is definitely no “signing” going around Newcastle United…

  • 86 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Toonicle

    Spot on lad, I’d definitely agree with you on that one. Cisse needs to sit out for a while.

  • 87 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    TDS

    Well said @ 83.

  • 88 toonicle // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Lol well put Ciaran…

  • 89 martoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Sage if you’re still here you don’t need a login for Ciaran’s blog – just click in the comment box and enter an Email address and user name and you can comment.

  • 90 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    There you have it folks! Now none of you have any excuses ;) haha

    Thanks for clearing that up though martoon.

  • 91 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    I know you guys hate it when I promote myself but I also wrote a piece for the spectator’s view about international football. Anyone wants to read it they can, if not, feel free to slate me haha

    http://thespectatorsview.com/2013/09/12/international-football-who-really-cares/

  • 92 martoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    I’ll check that out Ciaran I need a laugh :) Where did everybody else go?

  • 93 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    Martoon

    Your guess is as good as mine…I’m hoping they’ve all drifted over to my blog, but that would me being optimistic! haha

  • 94 martoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    To continue our private conversation – interesting ideas in your article – I’ve posted a comment. I don’t know if it’s just my laptop but posting a coment there took about a second per character.

  • 95 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    I don’t usually have a problem commenting there, but I’m not saying it’s coming from your end.

    I replied saying that I have absolute disdain for international football and feel it serves no other purpose other than breaking up the monotony of there being no club football in the summer months. But that only happens every other year.

    Most fans align themselves to their club and associate more with it than they do their international team. I’m an Irish man, a very proud Irish man, but if Newcastle were playing the Republic of Ireland I’d be screaming for Newcastle every day of the week. Doesn’t make me less patriotic, just happens that when it comes to football I’m more passionate for my club.

  • 96 Jail for Ashley // Sep 12, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    If Mashley did have a PR goon posting on here, it wouldn’t be because of his concern for the fans it would be to serve his purpose.

  • 97 martoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    Hi Jail come to join our private party. I don’t believe Ashley would go to all the bother of having pro posters on blogs like this – he doesn’t care what people think. It has also been suggested pro posters are from NUFC PR department but again I don’t think they would bother but if true not a bad job being paid to post on football blogs ;)

  • 98 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Ashley would have posters as they could assure him of keeping him in the news like its often said any publicity is good when you sell your product at bottom basement prices. some of Ashley customers are just like Wonga’s customers mainly desperate and wanting a 99p t shirt.

  • 99 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    TDS
    Wasn’t level 7 the first area he broke up?

  • 100 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 12, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    JFA
    Little stat for you to shove down the over eager PR agents throat when he bleats on about spending £30 mil in jan!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Hugeist/status/375273709185286144/photo/1?screen_name=Hugeist

  • 101 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    i was just checking UK hot deals and they had a singing Alfi, and it reminded me of a time when i did not have much on, so i purchased a talking teddy took it home reprogram the memory chip to say “your fat” and put it back in toys r us and videoed it calling all the that walked past, it was funny until the manager went and took the batteries out it would be funny recording the get out of our club song and sending it to a newspaper.

  • 102 Himanshu Dhingra // Sep 12, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    We did not spend 30 million in Jan.

    It was close to 17 million + we got something back from BA deal.

  • 103 martoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Fatman – good story but improbable – mass produced toys use a one chip micro with nornally mask ROM or code protected flash memory – there impossible to re-program.
    Himanshu – it was decided earlier that the £30m probably included agent fees & wages.

  • 104 Himanshu Dhingra // Sep 12, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Thought i’d share a fear that I have about Ashley and Newcastle.

    We all know Ashley likes a gamble or two. sometimes I feel he will keep taking money out of the club till it allows him. then when he has broken even I am not sure what he will do with the club.

    Might just throw it all away. after all it is only a small % of the assets that he holds.

    Just a fear that I have on no bases what so ever.

  • 105 stuart no9 // Sep 12, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    lets put it this way , all this talk of why did ash buy the club , what his motives were , what was his long term goal – the one thing we ALL know is that he didnt buy it for the love of the geordie nation , he didnt buy it for the love of football and he didnt buy to make NUFC great again , therefore get the fat bast//d out now , regardless of why he bought it , it certainly wasnt for football reasons, end of dicussion really . boycott

  • 106 luke.r // Sep 12, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    dunno if anyones seen but weve been linked with james Tarkowski from oldham.

    The guy used to play with a very good friend of mine and hes an excellent talent, was the best player the other night against preston by a mile. Would love us to for him. Young, English and a lot of potential!

  • 107 Himanshu Dhingra // Sep 12, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    Martoon

    The more I think about it the more disgusting it gets.

    Are Newcastle the only club that tells fans about the fee + agents fees + wages. Pretty sure 86 million for bale was only the transfer that tottenham would get.

    In addition whenever Newcastle sign or sell a player it is always for an undisclosed fee.

  • 108 joppadoni // Sep 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    @9 B&B that’s one of the best posts i’ve read on here. nice one. :D

  • 109 BandB // Sep 12, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    So does this mean I can boast I have a £25,000 car?
    I paid £10,000 for it, but have spent fifteen grand on petrol, tax and insurance since.
    We need to keep challenging anyone who peddles this piffle.
    Along with the notion that anyone alive can make an interest free loan to themselves.

  • 110 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    martoon
    many chip can be erased and reprogrammed i do loads of electronics, and often buy excising chips often toys as they are a fraction of the price buying from rs components

  • 111 martoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    That is the way Ashley assesses the cost of a player. There is actually some logic to transfer fee plus wages for length of contact because that is what it will actually cost us. In your example B&B the car is not worth £25000 but that is what it will cost you.
    Don’t get me wrong I’m not an Ashley supporter, I hate what he is doing to the club, just saying I can actually see the logic of taking account of wages in the total cost of a player.

  • 112 shirtonapole tinooo // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    Don’t know if this has been posted yet, but the Harper testimonial shirts are on sale….
    I thought this was the first season in about 15 years I wouldn’t be buying a top.
    Just been given a get out :)))

  • 113 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    martoon

    check out this site i would expect instructions for just about any programing tools on mind the places i got to are a bit more discreet than this one mind you get some good things to make and some mad things too
    http://www.instructables.com/

  • 114 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    marton

    hears a one on amazon for £2.95p

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/No1GS-Recordable-blank-Greetings-card/dp/B0056G1JZ8/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1379020647&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=recordable+message+greetings+cards

  • 115 BandB // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    I actually have a separate bank account for my car, out of which I pay the D/D and all its running costs.
    It had an expensive service a couple of months ago, so I transferred £800 across to that account to avoid overdraft charges.
    I own both accounts. My name is on the log book. My name is on the cheque.
    Does that mean my car owes me £800? Can I go around telling folks: “I’m owed money, me?”

    Pardew is today conflating capital spending and wage costs to give the misleading impression they have spent more on transfer fees than they have.

    It is another horrible example of what they take us for.

  • 116 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    Ciaran
    did not notice the name my eyes still have not recovered from when they swelled up still fell peppery but i will try to be more careful, what part of Ireland you from i had a female friend from Dublin but she always complained that i drove too fast.

  • 117 martoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    Ok Fatman as this is a football blog I’ll take your word for it although I’m doubtful.
    BandB I really like your posts so I don’t want to fall out but your example is not valid. NUFC is a company that Ashley owns. His personal money and company money are seperate. Analagous to if you owned your own business then your personal account and companty account are completely seperate.

  • 118 Himanshu Dhingra // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    Pardew to star in the remake of 2008 movie Yes man,

    Make no mistake he will do a better job than Jim carey.

  • 119 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    martoon

    that only applies if its a limited liability company otherwise he can take what he wants when he wants as long as the moneys in the account he only needs to transfer the cash over about 30 seconds. if it was a limited liability its then more complex and stricter accounting rules apply.

  • 120 Ciaran // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    Fatman

    I’m from County Tyrone, about 2 1/2 hours north of Dublin. We’re pretty chilled in Ireland so I’d imagine any sort of speed seemed too fast haha

  • 121 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    Himanshu Dhingra

    Yes Man ?

    More like Liar, Liar :)

  • 122 Ibizatoon // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    BandB…For a change, I have an opinion to add :)

    Passing money from one personal account to another would not be considered a loan. Loan from personal or business account to a business account where the owner is the same person can and does get considered a loan. Whether with interest or not. Any business should stand on its own two feet…another debate could be whether a club should be considered a business.

    On whether wages should be included in the figures, well it makes sense, but then our running costs should reduce each year, they can’t have it both ways. Either way works, one is misleading when comparing to other clubs spending though…not that they’d want to mislead us

  • 123 BandB // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    Martoon,

    Why should we fall out? I enjoy your posts too.
    I have a no better than rough idea how companies work, and I am raising questions rather than attempting to answer them.
    But stripping aside the accounting practices, and given that NUFC is soley owned by Ashley, with no other shareholders, he effectively owes the money to himself.
    Therefore “loan” is surely, in laymans’ terms, a transfer to cover the cost of a liability…his liability.
    The words “interest free loan” deliberately suggest an act of generosity, for which he is credited with more than he has the right to claim.

  • 124 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    Ciaran

    She was a good friend buy we lost contact just before i got married i was looking to start up a new business and i wanted her to come into partnership with me and i guess she might of though there was other motives i guess that she did not realize how much i trusted her with my money for me to trust someone is worth the money.

  • 125 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    hears my take on what Ashley loans the money for it could all be down to corporation tax, and you would do it if you were to sell the business or it could end up just as an investment into the business he can pass tax liability between company’s he owns you loose on one you claim it back on another its 20 years since i ran a business and the tax rules change all the time, i could do my own accounts but i still had an accountant but some of what i hear come from the club is just to mislead
    the fans.

  • 126 fatman // Sep 12, 2013 at 11:19 PM

    must go now too many ache and pains its easier to think we have all the answers but sadly we don’t know half the questions, the club probably laugh about the way we go on but for them its just a job for us its part of the family and we naturally want to protect it as much as we can.

  • 127 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 12, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    B and B

    It’s not the same as owning your car. As I mentioned this morning, NUFC is a separate legal entity. If Mikey puts money into the company by way of equity, it’s much more difficult for him to get it out than if he loans it. It is therefore more flexible for him to loan it, and more attractive to a prospective purchaser for the same reason.

    If Mikey gives £100M to the club, NUFC’s balance sheet increases by that amount. It probably doubles the value of NUFC. That’s got to be good for the club if he were to do that.

  • 128 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 12, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    B and B

    Mikey’s not covering the cost of his liability, he’s covering the cost of the club’s liability. That liability was there before Mikey bought the club, and may well be there after he sells.

    If the loan is interest free, Mikey is transferring value to the club from his personal funds. Let’s say the value of a £100M loan is £7M a year. In five years the club is £35M better off. It’s balance sheet is £35M to the good. The club is that much richer, all things being equal. Of course, as that is reflected in the value of the club, it means Mikey can justify a higher sale price.

  • 129 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 12, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    fatman

    Under the current arrangement, Mikey can extract money from the club by way of loan repayment tax free. If he had simply put the money into the club as equity, any money he subsequently extracted would be in the form of salary of dividend, which would be taxable. The more Mikey extracts by loan repayment, the better off the club is because it pays down it s debts and increases the size of its balance sheet. It becomes a financially stronger club. That is not the case if the owner takes salary or dividends, which is a distribution of the profit – something the previous regime were keen on.

  • 130 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Blackley,

    Burning the midnight oil here on work I should have finished days ago (it isn’t accountancy.)
    It isn’t always dumb to ask dumb questions. It can be quite useful.

    Does this new method of calculating the cost of transfers mean we now can claim to have got the fee plus the cost of his wages for the rest of his unfulfilled contract for James Perch?

    According to the link by TADS earlier, we are £25 million up on transfer dealings in five years. I wonder how that would look if the wage bill was also vectored in?

  • 131 Quasimodo's tailor // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    @Fatman. I understand you have your problems but please lighten up. This is a blog, not a wake. I’d hate to be sat next to you on a transatlantic flight.

  • 132 derekm // Sep 13, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    I live in the midlands and am going to villa tomorrow. Looking at our side as opposed to Villas Bentake apart every position to me seems stronger, so if we fail it has to be down to morale or the manager!




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