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Gomis Fee Cut In January – But Newcastle Face Competition

11:01 am, Friday, September 13th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 193 Comments

Bafe Gomis has trained well at Lyon this week and according to manager both Gomis and Briand “are candidates for the team.” “There is no problem, they worked well.” Both players rejoined the first team group after being forced to train with the reserves earlier because both had been expected to leave Lyon in the summer, but now both could play against Rennes.

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Bafe Gomis – price cut in half in January

And with Bafe Gomis’ contract having just one year to run, he will be available at a cut price in January, but whether Gomis has soured on Newcastle, after being asked to take a wage cut, is not known.

And Alan Pardew is not saying too much on it either, but there is news that Roma are ready to bid for Gomis in the January transfer window, and Fiorentina are also said to be interested.

Gomis will not extend his contract at Lyon and so he will either leave in January for say £3M or less, or leave as a free agent next summer when Lyon will get nothing for him.

The fee Newcastle agreed with Lyon was €8M (£6.8) with €2M (£1.7M)in potential future payment based on performance, so Gomis price will have more than halved in January.

Roma Sporting Director Walter Sabatini is equivalent to Newcastle’s Director of Football Joe Kinnear, and is said to be keen on Gomis, especially he will be available at a cut price.

Newcastle like cut-price deals but with the embarrassment of Newcastle having to ask Gomis to take a wage cut, after everything had been agreed with Lyon and the player, we wonder what Gomis now thinks about coming to Newcastle – and maybe his wages are still a problem for the Magpies.

But it’s still possible, and if Newcastle are really keen we would expect a certain Joe Kinnear to be trying to get a deal done right now,  so it can be executed in early January.

But maybe not. :(

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193 responses so far ↓

  • 1 DevonMag // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    I’m traveling up to Villa this Saturday for my first match of the season, and was over the moon about our current injury situation essentially forcing Pardew’s hand in picking an exciting, attacking line up. I was expecting something like this:

    Krul
    Debuchy–Colo–MYM–Santon
    Ben Arfa-Anita-Sissoko-Marvaux
    ———–Cisse–Remy———-

    With Cabaye coming on second half for Anita, and Gouffran in the mix from the bench, too. Having a fully fit squad is actually BAD news! So help me god, if Pardew takes all the players who have WORKED their way into the team with decent performances out for the old guard and plays a team like this:

    Krul
    Debuchy–Colo–Taylor–Santon
    Ben Arfa–Tiote–Cabaye–Jonas
    ———-Cisse–Shola————

    I will be so, SO angry! Don’t do it Pardew! Don’t you dare do it!

  • 2 cyprus // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    Ed, I must admit that I detect a shift in your attitude… You were all praise for the ’5 year plan’, ‘stability’ etc. Now you seem to have moved into the anti-Ashley camp. No problem with me, but probably best to strike a balance? Next thing we know you’ll be criticizing your hero: AP – See more at: http://www.nufcblog.com/2013/09/13/surprising-news-on-newcastles-financial-dealings/comment-page-1/#comment-1155914

  • 3 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    devon

    Well thats the question. The team selection this week will be reflective of our season I feel.

    Without saylor, tiote and jonas we have kept 2 clean sheets and picked up 4 points in two games. There is no reason for them to walk back in, even if the manager thinks they are better he should stick with a winning team.

    Shola started against fulham and although remy was the one who made a big difference to our style i could forgive him for starting shola as he started in the winning team.

    But no to Jonas, Tiote and Taylor who weren’t involved.

  • 4 jeff // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    ‘nother bullsh*t article

  • 5 ArtyH // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    The only chance we have to secure Gomis in the new year is to sack the JOKE and have someone else do the negotiating, but sadly this will not happen. The JOKE has been quiet of late, I wonder why??? I would have liked to see Keegan as DOF but there is no chance of that after he walked last time due to Ashley’s underhanded work.

  • 6 jokinoot // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Can’t see his wage demands being any different even if they got him free still wouldn’t pay

  • 7 roy // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    I hope they avoid Gomis he comes across as a mercenary.

  • 8 jokinoot // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Where is fatman and dobbin anyway conspicuous by their absence must be plotting January’s debacle

  • 9 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Croftus,

    Spot on, exactly.

    We have been conned all summer.

    With this hold up catch up game Ashley plays season after season we will always be weaker than teams building around us. This is the second summer off the trot now, It’s obvious what his plan is. If we get any money in January or on the road to January we will see a signing.
    Problem with this is there is zero ambition and no excitement in it at all. We crave on excitement.

    By January, once again our season will be wrote off if injuries occur just like last season. It’s all so dim and mediocre. Not good enough for NUFC and this fanbase.

  • 10 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Ibizatoon,

    You have been asking a question recently that no-one has seriously tried to answer and you yourself have kept at a question.
    Why should Ashley sell the club?
    Until just a few days ago it was possible to believe that the “self-sustaining” model was what Ashley was aiming for.
    But the statements from the club, a bit of info gleaned from SD and the help of Blackley regarding the loan, I found myself asking your question.
    Why should he sell?
    If Ashley is following the SD model of concentrating on gross margins, then perhaps he has figured that he can run NUFC at a very considerable profit in the near future.
    Crushing down on costs and minimal investment in the product has a familiar ring to it, does it not?
    Our on-the-field-product would be straight out of the SD manual, slowly finding a level of cheap and cheerlessness that would be tat passing itself off as a brand name. All he needs to do is stay in the division. Which adds a nice casino thrill to the mix.
    Maybe the future was right before us all the time?
    So why should he sell?

  • 11 Quasimodo's tailor // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Jeff. Perhaps you could share some of your own pearls of wisdom with us readers What topics would you like to flow from Ed’s fingertips?

  • 12 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    jeff – ‘nother bullsh*t comment

  • 13 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    BandB…For me, it’s a plausible scenario.

    I do have doubts about how sustainable it is however, but it all comes down to what those margins need to be.

    If Ashley thinks that he can spend a minimal amount and stay in the league, considering the other 19 teams will likely be spending the majority of the new found riches in the league, then I imagine he will do just that. Whether that will catch up with him is anyones guess. We do however know that he is willing to throw a bit more money at it, if things are looking bad.

    So why not? At least for the foreseeable future.

    The reason I raised the question is not that I think it’s the most likely scenario, but it is possible imo, so at a loss to understand why some think that once he has found a way to repay what he considers his loan (dancing my way round that issue this time) that he will suddenly leave. Surely it just makes the whole situation more appealing as he has even less money tied up in the club?

    On the other hand…if owning Newcastle United is no longer attractive for him anymore, say the fans were driving him nuts, maybe at that time he would be able to find a realistic buyer, as his investment in the club would have reduced.

    If, but, maybe…I might work on a song for Ashley.

  • 14 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    “They all expected a marquee signing, although I have to say a marquee signing would have taken us into our overdraft facility.”

    Damn, if only we had a billionaire owner :(

  • 15 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    Ibiza,

    How about “Under My Thumb?”

    Pardew is cute though. “I don’t want to say anything more about that.”
    He means; “I’ve got a gun in my back”

  • 16 Wiz // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Ed is putting the boot into Joe Kinnear all the time for his evident failings as a director of f****all. The boot certainly needs to be put into such a vainglorious and ineffective individual. The point I would make is that it is not Kinnear’s fault he is ineffective. If Ashley won’t spend the cash, there is nothing he can do about it. More annoyingly, Pardew is saying we now have to give him ten games to judge accurately on how he is doing. He said two not so long ago. He is a decent manager, as I keep saying, but he does himself no favours. Meanwhile the best news of the day is the Ashley f off version of the Wonga shirt. Brilliant. I wonder how you get hold of one?

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    jack

    or if only we could use the overdraft…oh no wait, we could have done

  • 18 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    BandB…Not original, but certainly accurate.

    You mean Pardew isn’t just looking out for our best interests? It’s been a stressful window and all :)

  • 19 roy // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Remy is a decent enough signing and big Moussa wants he gets into gear will frighten a few teams. I still think we have a decent enough team to compete for a the top seven.

  • 20 Wiz // Sep 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    BandB – no, when he says he doesn’t want to say any more about that, what he means is that he can’t say anything more about that, because it is clearly going to be nonsense. And fine, if Gomis is cheaper in January, great, but we still won’t be able to pay his wages, because they would make him out of line with the other cheapo strivers in our dressing room.

  • 21 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    Wiz,

    I agree. He is saying; “That’s the statement. Believe it if you like, but don’t ask me to expand on it.”
    I suspect Ed will raise the Gomis issue more often in a week than Kinnear will think of him between now and Christmas.

  • 22 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    I see a lot of sense in the question “Why should Ashley sell the club?” He can keep costs low, profits high, and as long as we stay in the league we’ll continue making him a considerable profit.

    Perhaps this is all part of his master plan, and a major factor of that plan is that the Newcastle United fans will do what they’ve always done – Nothing. He is banking on us doing nothing. He is banking on us saying nothing. He is banking on us blindly trudging into St James’ Park while he, to use BandB’s expression, give us tat passing off as a brand name.

    Well, are you going to do what Ashley expects you are going to do? Or are you going to make this your voice heard that this method of ownership is not what we, the fans want, and that if he is intent on following this trail of thought, that we will fight him every step of the way and make it incredibly uncomfortable for him.

    Once more, the choice, NUFC fans, is yours.

  • 23 toon kk // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Roy
    Wishful thinking! Top seven will be very tough and that’s with no injuries.

  • 24 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Roy

    Funny enough, Olivier Bernard thinks we can finish top 7. I wrote an article about how ludicrous that prediction. I’d go into it in more detail but you can just read it for yourself….

    I’m not very subtle am I? haha

  • 25 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    *how ludicrous that prediction is…

    I swear, my articles aren’t as sloppily written as my comments!

  • 26 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Ciaran…It’s certainly a point worth considering for those adopting the “let’s wait and see” attitude.

    I’m just not sure where this faith in his intentions is coming from these days. There are some arguably good things he has done, but none of them have been solely in the best interest of NUFC, so can they be considered as reasons to have faith? I no longer think so.

    I just don’t see how or why we should just wait and hope he does the right thing anymore. Doesn’t mean we should all go crazy and lose sight of any rationality, but the current method is becoming insane. Somethings gotta give.

  • 27 fatman // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    What i am thinking of doing is boycott the Leeds game and donate the money to the Bobby Robson trust, as much as it will kill me not to go doing nothing is just setting us up for the next fall. a few friends are promising to follow suit and yes i do agree with the arguments from the other side and not boycott, if it we donate the ticket money to bobby when it reaches a decent level the media will pick up on it, and the players will respond well to it as you can leave a message why you give the donation, and turn a negative into a positive. think i will do it for the fa cup too mind with the plonker of a manager it probably will not mean missing many games.

  • 28 bollance // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    If it is true that we had no cash in the bank I think it is fair enough we only brought in Remy. We have a stronger squad plus less matches.

    My opinion is we need to turnover more players and replace them with players with potential. Realistically we have two players who could come through in dummet and Sammy but neither have played and excelled at championship level, the tier below the premiership. That is what they should do before thinking they are good enough for the Prem.

    Too many have jumped on the bandwagon calling for more players. We needed one or two strikers, we got one. Not the end of the world.

    We have the players an potential to play an exciting brand of football. But we need confidence to execute it. The manager knows this. He can’t just set up 4-3-3 and expect us to demolish any team in front of us. With the attacking power we have I hope we get to that level of confidence sooner rather than later.

    The sad thing is people on here are siding with the media against the ownership. Plus they are repeating what the trolls used to say on here. Word for word, how embarrassing.

  • 29 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Ibiza

    There, I think, you’ve hit the nail on the head. Any decisions or actions that some people as using as reasons to defend Ashley have not been in the sole best interest of the club. There has always been some form of financial gain or benefit for him as well. Add to that, the ludicrous decisions he has taken that have been to the detriment of the team, but once more have been for his financial benefit.

    Those who have been defending Mike Ashley are either playing devil’s advocate to temper the one sided discussions, are PR reps for Mike Ashley, or are simply on the wind up. (I’m not going to factor in an added category of them being idiots, they don’t like that)

    I just wonder how much the Geordie public, and the wider NUFC fan base, will take. There is a growing sense of discontent and it is gathering pace and momentum. There is more media coverage, former players are becoming more vocal in their criticism. Club legends are pleading with Ashley to change his approach. This season will see a massive torrent of protests, but it remains to be seen if they will have any impact.

  • 30 roy // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Everyone keeps hairpin on about all these mythical injuries. The whole team isn’t going to get injured.

  • 31 toon kk // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    Imo confidence will play a massive part this season. If Remy starts knocking them in a top half is possibly if not and injuries set in we’ll be in a dog fight again.

  • 32 check the toastie // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    If we play good football and sit high in the league everything else is irrelevent.

    As irrelevent as Ciaran trying to become the new oracle in all things NUFC, Bellend :)

    PARDEW OUT

  • 33 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    jeff no matter how bad Eds articles may be, fr sure your comments are even poorer, you have no point at all do you. There are other blogs your highbrow reasoning may be tailored for, just go there and stop torturing yourself. And us. Unless jeff is also Ciaran/Ruddy M, now there’s a conspiracy theory for you ha ha ha :)

    On this Gomis guy, look, its over, lets all move on nothing to see people nothing at all to see.

    Good to see some are waking up to the smell of coffee and spin. Ashley is a soulless percentage man, well not entirely without feeling he despises the fans thats for sure, wont even bow down to speaking. Yes, he is making us cruise along at half speed, slow and steady makes the £’s roll in at a nice pace and no risk of rolling over.. Death or a change in financials are the only things that can knock this tanker off course.

    I am beginning to think Pardew nearly got sacked for getting us into europe followed by near relegation.

  • 34 toon kk // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Roy
    No one saying the whole team will be injured, but if our better player’s are we’ll really struggle. Our back up player’s are decent but aren’t strong enough. You saw that last season.

  • 35 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    ciaramn

    The good news is we do not have injury prone forwards which is a big help as we will need goals and thats the area we are short.

    cisse and gouffran dont miss games and neither does remy (last season playing 26 was his lowest in the previous 5 years)

    I don’t think we will gte 7th but i don’t think we’ll be miles off it either….be a long long way from 6th though

  • 36 roy // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    That could be said about all the teams outside the top five toon kk

  • 37 fatman // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    roy

    The thing is the hole team does not need to get injured Krul, remy, & cisse would just abut do the trick.

  • 38 bollance // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    Transfer

    The jury is still out on Remy. He has missed a lot of games in his career. That is maybe why we only have him on loan so we take a really good look at him and protect our potential future investment because £8m is a lot for us

  • 39 WWSBRD // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Top 6, 7 or 8? Hmmm reckon those touts will be shown up at the end of the season

    Top 10 will be a struggle

  • 40 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    fatman

    same could be said of others though

    swansea – michu, bony, williams
    everton – baines, lukaku, jelevic
    villa – benteke, weinman, vlar

    Most teams are like this. Even at the top, take 3 main players from man utd and they will struggle (wont be relegated but will underperform and wont win the league).

  • 41 JAMSHA // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

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  • 42 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    bollance

    i’m sorry but remy has not missed a lot of games at all.

    last 5 years, earliest to most recent….36, 36, 43, 42, 26…thats a good record of games per season.

  • 43 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Ciaran, I know it might look like it at times but I am not really on your case :) BUT when you say something like the following –

    “Those who have been defending Mike Ashley are either playing devil’s advocate to temper the one sided discussions, are PR reps for Mike Ashley, or are simply on the wind up. (I’m not going to factor in an added category of them being idiots, they don’t like that)”

    You seem to substitute the idea that an opposing view to yours is idiotic for what may be an equally valid contradictory view to yours. Its nice to be intellectual mate but not allowing for the possibility that someone may be more intellectual is why you are possibly singled out sometimes for being a bit up yersel’ ? ;) Just something to chew over.

  • 44 martoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Although I’m no accountant surely last January transfers were roughly covered by the remaining Andy Carroll money. Since then we have sold Ba & Perch and apparently made a profit and supposedly received about £5m from Europa League which surely gives us about £5-10m to spend without the need for an overdraft.

  • 45 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    martoon dont forget mike needs that loan repaying. Interest-free actually costs him.

  • 46 roy // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Well they aren’t injured so we will see what happens if and when it occurs. The team has a decent subs bench unlike this time last season. And January might bring another five players into the club who knows.

  • 47 jimmysmith // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    I don’t think Ashley is that hard to figure. He does spend if he feels he’s getting a bargain or the team clearly needs strengthening. He does want the team to be successful, but is not at all inclined to go into debt to achieve it. I see no reason to think he won’t spend more as we become more profitable, nor do I see any likelihood of his approach changing. I think we probably have settled on a best of the rest type goal under his ownership and I don’t see him leaving anytime soon.

  • 48 fatman // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Transfer Sage

    true but i think we will struggle to get goals from other areas more than other teams will.

  • 49 fatman // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    and car crash Elliot don’t get me started on him

  • 50 DokToon // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    gmornign all, from this side of the pond…

    if we start the team that played the last 15 min vs fulham, ive no doubt we would take all three points…

    Jb @ 12, great comment, tops today :)

  • 51 roy // Sep 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    Does anyone actually believe the likes of Cardiff Hull Norwich Swansea Palace Stoke and the Mackems have better squads than us?

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    fatman

    agree we dont have a lot of goals in midfield like some teams do, its a problem

    well i think we do, we just dont let them get forward enough to make the difference, always too deep

  • 53 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Car crash Elliot? Is that the same one Harper couldn’t get past for reserve keeper? He cost buttons and I can’t remember him doing a bad job. Sometimes people dont like someones face and thats it.

  • 54 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Pokat

    Thought the tongue in cheek nature of the comment was implied lad. I’m totally open to the idea of people being much much smarter than me. I really don’t think I’m some sort of genius haha

    Check

    Was that really necessary?

  • 55 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    In fact I will go one better, Krul, Remy and Cisse injured would not change anything about us one little bit. We have enough midfielders to keep heads above water. Two defenders out and we would be stuffed imho.

  • 56 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    So if the club is so hard up why the f uk didn’t kinnear work harder at clearing the decks of players like obertan or willo? Decent cover but rarely featured last season?

    Absolute b*llsh*t

    As for why would Ashley sell the club?
    Because you can’t maintain a football club like a sports direct store
    The longer he floats the club near the bottom half of the table the lower the overall value of the club will be, the lower the gates will eventually be, the lower the merchandise sales will be, the lower the TV money will be as the worldwide audience simply won’t want to watch us

    The longer he strings this penny pinching out the more damage he’s doing to his overall investment
    IMHO anyway :)

    Oh and jeff your a t1t

  • 57 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    Sage I think we’ll be miles off 7th to be honest, but it will be a straight scrap for 8th/9th/10th between the other 13 teams in my opinion

  • 58 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    Pokat
    How will having our only 2 goal scorers out injured not affect us?

  • 59 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    Martoon
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Hugeist/status/375273709185286144/photo/1?screen_name=Hugeist

    Obviously we lost the rest in agents fees :)

  • 60 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Ciaran fair enough. The typed word and subtlety don’t often go together do they? :)

  • 61 bollance // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Transfer

    I stand corrected. Those are decent figures. If he plays 30+ games this season he will score double figures from LW or upfront.

  • 62 tom68 // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Good afternoon guys,

    I keep hearing that we don’t get the extra tv money until the end of the season but what about the Wonga money.

    I haven’t seen any comments explaining where that money has gone. Any ideas ?

  • 63 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    @57 – simple. They are not. not because they are rubbish, but because the team behind them are serving up rubbish or scoring themselves. Unless we change it about, that is how it will continue. So at the moment they are virtually redundant. Only thing they can do is dredge up opporttunities themselves and we have all seen how thats been working out for papiss. ;)

  • 64 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Pokat

    That’s true, sometimes I’m as subtle and as delicate as a bull in a china shop though haha

    I assure you, I’m much more pleasant in “real life” – kind of altered reality here isn’t it?

  • 65 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    Pokat
    So when remy came on against Fulham and we completely changed formation and there was plenty of service you don’t think that’s how pardew wants to set up and why remy was bought in ???

  • 66 bollance // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    Tom

    60+% of the club income goes on players wages.

  • 67 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Ciaran I know what you mean mate I sometimes type stuff in and look at it submitted and i think hmmmm thats not looking the way I thought it would lol. Same with emails and texts, some people have the art of coming over like they do in life, me I come over like a paranoid or just a plain get. I’m not either really btw ha ha :) Unless someone like that pointless jeff balloon get me back up like. :(

  • 68 Slank // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    roy @ 50

    Newly promoted teams (Cardiff, Palace and Hull) will have poorer squads than us because the bulk of their players are from the Championship and some will not make it in the Premiership. Will the recent additions carry the rest of the team, I think not. The pundits think at least two will be relegated.

    Stoke have a poorer squad as the majority of their players were bought to play a certain way which their new manager wants to dismantle and play a different way. Some of them will not make the transition. They are the pundits favourite to go down.

    The Mackens have a poorer squad as they bought so many new players most of whom have never played in the Premiership and so it will take awhile for them to gel together, if at all we hope.

    Norwich have a decent squad, probably smaller than ours. Its arguable whether they are better than ours, personally I don’t think so.

  • 69 Jail for Ashley // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    ”It’s a rock and a hard place at Newcastle at the moment. They seem to get themselves on the right track and all of a sudden someone here derails them. It’s almost as if somebody running the club wants to upset the punters and I find that very strange ”
    There we have yet another ex player putting his say in, when are the last few Ashley supporters realise that the man has got no good intentions for the club.
    Band B,
    Why should he sell, I’ve always thought he has no intentions of selling, that farce back in 2009 was yet another smokescreen to keep the fans off his back, minimal investment and the extra TV money and he should have his money back in full in no time, then it’s all profit and free advertisement, plus once he has his money back he really won’t give a monkeys if we go down.

  • 70 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Bolllance

    Yeh good stats, I just looked it up myself yesterday to see how injury prone he was..turned out not bad haha.

    Roy

    We have as good a squad as any outside the top 6, just don’t think pardew will get them playing as they should and we’ll come 10th.

    Ruddy

    Who do you h e miles ahead in 7th? Everton ?

  • 71 Jail for Ashley // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    Slank,
    You’re completely right and therefore Mike Ashley is totally justified in lying and decieving the fans again as we don’t need extra players.

  • 72 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    Pokat

    Don’t get me wrong, there are times where I be deliberately antagonistic to try and drum up a heated debate, or even an argument on the basis that I don’t the particular person, but there’s an anonymity that affords us to do that. I’ve been stripped of my anonymity with my new blog and I think it’s mellowed me on here.

    (Mainly because I really want people to check it out and I don’t want to p**s them off haha)

  • 73 bollance // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    I really hope we get a result vs Villa this weekend. They have started well.

    Last season for me the turning point was against Liverpool. We start the season ok and a result away to Liverpool would have maintained our position top half but Colo got sent off and saurez changed the game with his quality. We went 1-0 up when Cabaye scored at the back post?

  • 74 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    @64 – I thought that was promising, not so much for the change around because I think Remy being inserted there made that happen rather than Pards shuffling it about tactically. Well we could dream I suppose but do you think when the chips are down one week and Pards tries that and it doesn’t work, what do you think he will do?

    Answer is not ‘keep sticking to it’ by the way. ;)

  • 75 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Sage

    The top 6th pick themselves, Everton are still a better squad with a more adventurous manager but they may not finish 7th, I just think that teams like Swansea and Southampton have signed smartly and have fantastic managers. We may not end up incredibly far behind them, so “miles” may be exaggerating, but I think these teams are much better equipped to finish 7th than we are.

  • 76 Jail for Ashley // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    ”The Mackens have a poorer squad as they bought so many new players most of whom have never played in the Premiership and so it will take awhile for them to gel together”
    Slank,
    I hope you weren’t one of those claiming Pardew was given the tools for the job in January after that statement.

  • 77 theartfuldodger // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    Pardew making stuff up about overdraft to prevent boycotts ??

  • 78 Jail for Ashley // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Pokat @ 54,
    That is one of the most absurd comments I have ever read on here.

  • 79 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Artful dodger

    I don’t see anyone here falling for it. It will prevent nothing.

  • 80 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    @77 I find that hard to believe as I know you are on here a lot. :)

    Why?

  • 81 Slank // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Jail @ 68

    The question really is, not whether he sells but to whom does he sell.

    Vladimir Romanov of Hearts, the Venkys of Blackburn, The Glazers of ManU who plundered ManU for themselves putting them into a massive debt. There are always new owners like recently Prince Abdullah bin Mosaad bin Abdulaziz Al Saud who bought a 50% stake in Sheffield United for the fee of £1 with the promise of providing “substantial new capital” with the aim of returning the Blades to the Premier League as “quickly as possible”.

    Fire to frying pan comes to mind.

  • 82 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Are Jonas and Tiote available for tomorrows game?

  • 83 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Jail,

    I was aware that you had been saying this for a while.
    A pleasant prospect isn’t it? “A boot stomping on a human face, forever.”
    I meant to say this to MacToon the other day.
    The Time4Change people should be squirreling these statements away.
    It is easier to damn them with their own words than your own.

  • 84 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Slank

    Not calling for him to sell right away to the first bidder. But if he sells to an owner even worse than Mike Ashley then we’ll just have to protest all over again then won’t we?

  • 85 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Pokat @54

    Remy and Cisse out injured for any length of time will have a massive impact on us

  • 86 Slank // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Jail @ 75

    Has nothing to do with Pardew.

    Clubs which buy a bus load of players at one fell swoop especially players who have never experienced the Premiership before tend to struggle for the first year.

  • 87 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Slank,

    The bogeyman argument is for children. Is that all you have left?
    Do we stay marooned until we slowly die, or build a life raft and take our chances with the sharks?

  • 88 Slank // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Ciaran

    You better keep those banners just in case but remember not to make the owners name permanent!

  • 89 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Slank @80

    Glass half empty there mate.

    The only option under Ashley is to simply survive and nothing more is that what we want for this club?

  • 90 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    Slank

    Surely you want more for this club than Ashley? Let’s not worry ourselves about the prospective new owners, but focus on what is wrong with this one, and send a message to the world that if you want to buy Newcastle United, you need to run it the right way because we deserve it.

  • 91 Slank // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    BandB

    I think that question could be better answered by the supporters of Hearts, Blackburn Rovers and ManU than me.

    The assumption is that there will be someone better than Ashley but as we have seen with other clubs it is not necessarily so, although to be fair it is only a minority of owners who can really humble a club.

  • 92 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    ciaran

    I don’t rate martinez at all…seems to be doing ok though and not shipping goals like i thought they would.

    I would say that i think we have as good a chance as any other those you mention of finishing 7th, just my opinion of course but i feel for some reason we will end up 10th…but will be tight from 7th – 12th.

  • 93 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    Ha yes remy and cisse out WOULD if they are scoring goals for us, but at the moment neither are. Thats because our midfield whether its playing through the middle or up the wings is no good at supplying them. I did kinda say that. These players would only be a loss if we were actually using them.

  • 94 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Pokat

    Thats Pardew’s biggest failing as he’s incapable of formulating a system that actually links the midfield and strikers together so as a consequence we offer little threat

  • 95 Coach // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    I’m sure I’m not the only one who is really nervous about tomorrow. We are going to learn a lot about Pardew and then the team. If Pardew starts Taylor, Tiote, Shola, Jonas then we know we’re in for a tough year.

    Villa have shown what a good team they are from their first three games and we have looked poor apart from 15 minutes against Fulham.

    The pace Villa have up front worries me, our defence hasn’t looked good against teams like this. If Pardew picks our best team and we play well tomorrow I think I might start believing, even if we don’t get a result.

  • 96 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Slank,

    As I say, there’s a touch of the fairytale about it all.
    The Crafty Fox warning you not to run in case the Big Bad Wolf gobbles you up.

  • 97 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    Bollance @27…Firstly, hello, seems to have been a while.

    You mention that a lot of people have adopted the rhetoric of the previous blog trolls and are lapping up the media spin on things.

    How do you currently see the situation?

    On the transfers, I can go along with that we were probably short of one more signing, which if just assessing that, is probably not worth all the drama. But it isn’t that simple anymore, at least I don’t think it is.

    It’s the misdirection and lack of communication and overall the apparent lack of desire to do anything other than survive in the league.

    As far as how well we can do this season, some of it is possibly over the top, but given last season, I think it’s reasonable for people to be worried. If we can stay reasonably fit throughout the season, I think we’ll do okay, but that is only an if at this stage.

  • 98 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Coach

    If he starts any of them then he should be sacked for gross misconduct as soon as the team sheet goes in

  • 99 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    So not as absurd as you might have thought? Apart from Shola, Cisse has scored a grand total of 1 so far in preseason. The rest are from mid. Unless you want to count on Hatem walking a couple of dozen in, or face the prospect of leaning on Shola’s opportunism from the long punt, you are looking at times of famine ahead for our two ‘main’ strikers.

  • 100 Slank // Sep 13, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    BandB, Ciaran, JackButler

    I started going to SJP, when it was a rundown dump, in the early 60s and have supported the club all my life. Apart from seeing us win our last trophy in 1969 I have seen and experienced the total depths of despair in some of those terrible years before and after.

    The minor niggles with the current owner is nothing compared to the many dark and dismal years before on and off the pitch. If you are younger than me, think yourselves very lucky.

    That’s it I’m off now.

  • 101 Coach // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Jack

    It’s a pity you don’t have the power of hire and fire.

  • 102 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Slank

    With all due respect, you used that reason before and it didn’t wash then, so it doesn’t wash now. I will constantly want better for our club. If you don’t then that’s fine.

  • 103 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    which makes @77 look like one of the most absurd comments now. :)

  • 104 jettson1971 // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    the easiest way to say ‘enough is enough’ is to cancel your season ticket subsciptions before january!!

    Cancel your season ticket, that message will soon get thru if 5 to 8k manage to do that. The longer we keep renewing the longer MA will laugh at us and add more money to his name!

  • 105 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Slank,

    I’m a generation short of you, but my father and brothers aren’t. We all saw some tripe.
    The point is that we rose like a Phoenix from that, and for a few brief years memories were made that will last a lifetime, even though we won nothing.
    Now we seem to be headed back into the shadows.
    And this time, it’s hard to see any light at the end of the tunnel.

  • 106 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    ciaran

    You can always want better but if ashley is a lot better than what people have experienced before then i can see why they don’t mind him as much.

    I don’t like him as I feel he is trying to suck the soul out of the club by disrupting the fans every chance he gets, whether intentional or not he does it consistently.

  • 107 Norpie // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    I’d rather see us have Finnbogason, Locadia or Vossen. I’m tired of the whole Gomis thing, and he seems slightly overrated.

  • 108 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Slank

    Consider yourself lucky that you’ve actually seen us lift a trophy as from the first time I stood inside that great stadium in the very early 80’s we’ve lifted nothing other than the Intertoto Cup which hardly counts.

  • 109 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Sage

    Tripe in the 70s and 80s is no justification for the current condition of our club. I will not accept it as justification for Ashley’s tenure. If people want to try to use it as such that’s fair enough, but I will vocally disagree each and every time that they do.

  • 110 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    BandB

    All of us want more, its natural we want our club to win things.

    But looking at it from a distance how many would say we are that much different to others. There are loads of clubs that spent some time challenging for honours only to now be mid table or lower league clubs.

    Is it not just natural to go through these periods? even if we are unhappy about it.

    Even liverpool, the 2nd biggest club in the country have spend a few years away from the top of the league and floundering around. Still with the odd trophy, just a big fall from grace…no league win for 20+ years

  • 111 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    ciaran

    No but if you were used to tripe, an utter shambles of a club and not you have a relatively stable club in the top flight with some good players you must be able to understand why these older fans think now isn’t too bad.

    For our age we compare it with keegan and sir bobby…it will never compete with that under ashley so we will naturally be annoyed and more easily wound up.

  • 112 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    Sage

    Older fans have experienced Keegan and Sir Bobby too. Why is their comparison of club go back to the 70s and 80s instead of the 90s and the early 00s? I don’t understand the logic.

  • 113 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Sage,

    What you say is true.
    I wonder though, whether any of that was the deliberate result of club policy?
    Did any of those clubs ever say “We finished fifth. Right we’ll go for eighth next year and 10th the season after?”

  • 114 bollance // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Ibiza

    Good afternoon mate!!

    I don’t share the disappointment that most fans do. I don’t live in Newcastle anymore sadly but read the blog so get a good idea about the situation. Plus lots of former players seem to be coming out of the woodwork to support this ‘problem’ of the ownership.

    I have not changed my mind. MA want the club to make money. We will do that by winning football games. MA and us have conflicting interests but the outcome is the same.

    Their is also a sense of pride being able to build a squad without being Chelsea or Man City who have bought their titles.

    There is also no way that Southampton have a better squad then us.

    Everton are finding their way this season and without 10 goals from midfield falleni.

    It is not all doom and gloom but we need results to turn around the supporters who have been swayed by the negativity of the press. Admittedly JK played into their hands. Even though we did not sign any preeminent players we made the headline which gave SD and Wonga a lot of press attention.

  • 115 bollance // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    *there

  • 116 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Bollance

    We’ll let the league table decide who does and does not have a better squad than us at the end of the season shall we?

  • 117 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    ciaran

    they will look at it all though as a whole.

    so averaging out the two periods you mention we are currently somewhere in the middle. We get to see prem league football, decent players, nice stadium, reasonable ticket prices compared to other PL clubs, etc etc.

    I am sure they all want the days of keegan back but they have lived over many decades and will have seen that no team can sustain that high standard over that many years (or very few have) and realise now is an ok time, could be better or worse and that they are happy to wait.

  • 118 bollance // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Ciaran

    That would be conclusive. But on paper we are very strong. But admittedly football is not won on paper.

  • 119 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Older generations lived in a time when we had a dump of a ground that wouldn’t have made a whole pile of cash. We couldn’t attract some of the best players in the country never mind some of the best in the world, so any comparison is just ludicrous.

    We have 52k stadium, a billionaire owner and millions upon millions coming from TV deals and we’re still staving off relegation! Where is any comparison going to stack up? Madness.

  • 120 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    BandB

    not sure really…i don’t think ashley deliberately makes us worse but working in the financial constraints he has set we are limited with what we can do.

    It’s hard to say why clubs fall away, usually due to money

  • 121 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    Bollance

    I suppose you’d have to factor in the contributions of each respective manager as influential in the final position too though. On paper we have an excellent 11, maybe even excellent 14, but suspensions/injuries leave us with a threadbare squad.

  • 122 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    ciaran

    all clubs have decent stadiums now, well in prem league, all clubs have big tv money, most have billionaire owners, only difference is the size of our stadium and our fan base.

  • 123 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    Bollance…As an ex fence sitter, well said :)

    I agree wholeheartedly about not wanting to be a Chelsea or Man City, it is the way football is going, but I don’t think I would take any real sense of pride from that approach.

    May as well just celebrate the fact of having huge financial backing. Thanks, but not for me.

    It does seem though, that Ashley doesn’t really have any intentions or motivation to do anything with Newcastle. Two years ago, they worked hard, got in some decent players at great value, there was talk of a revamp of youth etc, but since, it just appears to have stopped.

    What I really cannot handle anymore is that no matter what their intentions, they surely must see the way the fans are feeling about things and there is no effort to try and deal with it.

    I’m not saying they should go out and blow silly money or a nice new shiny player to appease us…that isn’t what people are calling for. I just don’t think anyone knows where we stand or where we’re heading and given the Wonga, JK and constant misdirection I can totally see why people are veering towards the worst case with regards to our clubs owner.

    On the playing side of things, I have some reserved optimism. Waiting to see the next few games though.

  • 124 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    From someone who has seen everything from the early 80’s through to today’s desire to simply survive and nothing more I simply cannot and will not accept Ashley and his apathetic approach to the club.

    His level of disconnect with everything from the people, the City and the club is nothing less than disgraceful.

    To him this is a business venture and nothing more but to me/us this is something that is in our blood and we want, no damn it we demand more and if he cannot give that then he simply needs to move on

  • 125 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Sage

    The bottom line is this. Ashley needs to go. I’m no longer accepting any justifications to his tenure. If people want to “wait and see” a while longer, then that’s their beef, but I for one won’t listen to it for another second longer and will make my distaste for that point of view very well known.

  • 126 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    Did anyone read what happened at Bologna?

    I posted a link few days ago; here it is again:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.bold.dk/nyt/Upopulaer-praesident-saetter-Bologna-til-salg&act=url

    Now going to the games every other Sunday to honor your season tickets (you have payed good money for and maybe even for years) won’t make Mike sell up or change his ways!

  • 127 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    jack

    I don’t like Ashley and want him gone also. Just trying to explain the approach of some.

    I think we stagnate and are struggling due to the life being sucked from the club. The atmosphere at harper’s testimonial was special and something i haven’t truly experience since sir bobby’s days. Come close since but quite the same.

  • 128 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    ciaran

    Agree, he must go not for progression but to get passion back into the club.

  • 129 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    Obviously the older fans are more resilient and philosophical than the more recent ones, but expectations have changed, not least because the Premiership, big tv money and sponsorship / advertising has changed the whole game. Younger fans have been trained to expect more. Both views are valid, but from different eras is all.

  • 130 DokToon // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    maybe we all need to actually embrace him, let mikey know we stand behind him and support him and his decisions… he may only be a hug away from opening the checkbook :)

  • 131 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Sage,

    I suppose what we are discussing now goes to the heart of my worries.
    Other teams have lost touch with the top. Some have gone into freefall. Some have lost all nuclear fusion and become Sheffield Wednesday.
    Sometimes it was down to over-reaching and sometimes it was due to the very opposite.
    We are BUDGETING our season’s expectations down season after season, seemingly in pursuit of an optimal league position that guarantees safety combined with maximum profit. This is a dangerous game, as last season showed.

  • 132 DokToon // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    that was pure and unadultered sarcasm, people :)

  • 133 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    Jesper…I tried the link the other day, but it just gave me a list of various headlines.

    What is your point? The chairman is now looking to sell his share due to fans protests, no?

    Are you saying we need to be more active than just boycotting games?

  • 134 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Harper words were truest I’ve heard from anyone close to the club, Ashley is slowly bleeding us dry of passion and desire. The last time I was inside SJP I was amazed at the atmosphere, or should I say lack of atmosphere from a stadium that had it’s foundations rocked every single week under Keegan and Sir Bobby.

    We are slowly dieing a painful and pathetic death and it’s time that the greatest fans in the country stood up and showed what we are all about and force this business man out of the club and out of the city and also make sure he takes his pathetic minions with him

  • 135 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Dok…Sarcasm, really? :)

    On this fans ambitions / expectations issue…I think the core point is not that we’re demanding that we win a trophy, of course we’d all love to, the actual issue is that the fans are so deflated that they have next to no belief of winning anything. That cannot be right?

    There’s no intent, no passion, just words with little follow through.

    All goes back to what we’re being fed. Pardew when he arrived talked about silverware, JK spouted on about building a CL side, but can we say we’ve actually seen the owner back these ideas up?

    I don’t buy in to this it’s the fans and medias fault. The club, if clearer with their intent, could stop all of this bad feeling, well, at least some of it.

  • 136 bollance // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Ciaran

    Injuries and suspension would hit any squad so that is a non argument

  • 137 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    In case anyone was missing Pardew….

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8919322/premier-league-newcastle-united-boss-alan-pardew-challenges-hatem-ben-arfa

    “We got a little cameo of that when Remy came on the pitch the other day.

    “Suddenly Papiss (Cisse) started getting opportunities, and that comes from having another striker on the pitch who can threaten the goal of that quality.

    “Hopefully, that will take us forward as a team because offensively, we need to improve.”

  • 138 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Ibiza…does the link work now?

    …well I do think we need to more vocal and active if we want change. Change could be either of:

    a) Mike sells up and the fans get actively involved

    b) Mike change his ways and the fans get actively involved

    But people going to the games at SJP every other weekend because they have bought the season tickets maybe for years to come won’t make for much difference.

    Going and booing won’t help much either – just backfire because it will only hurt the players. Mike is not in attendance anyway, you cannot hear what they are booing on the telly and the media don’t pick up on it!

    The media picks up on an empty SJP :) The media picks up on protests (I think Mike will as well ;) )

  • 139 bollance // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Ibiza

    Time will tell..

  • 140 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    BandB

    That’s a good point. But Ashley doesn’t want to drop from the top flight so I think we’ll always do enough to stay in it. Which is the one good thing. (I accept last season was close though).

    I would say that it’s not good for the club having no ambition to progress, all clubs try to progress even if its small steps but our seeming goal of maintaining a level and the fans believing we don’t want to progress kills the spirit during games of fans.

  • 141 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Bollance @ 135…Yes and no. It all comes down to where we think we should be sitting in the pecking order. It wasn’t that long ago that Pardew was putting down Everton as not at our level, that would indicate that they see us a club that should be top 8 and pushing from there.

    Are we? Is our squad depth really better than all of the other teams? I feel the past 3 windows have really closed the gap and not the gap we were supposed to be closing.

  • 142 Pokat // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    The club is financially more rewarding for Ashley than it seems at first glance. The advertising for his SD chain is absolutely ever-present. Factor that in to how well he is doing not just in UK but everywhere our games are beamed. People say the ST and ground takings are a drop in the ocean. NO income is a drop in the ocean and full grounds complete with food and drink, corporate bar & restaurant turnover and events are a nice income by most league standards. Making player sales and purchases look after themselves and staving off the interest payments while the gate and tv money rolls in is all that is required while the business keeps plugging his sports shops. He doesn’t even need to be in the town he can just keep tabs with his employees and his accountants.

  • 143 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    jack

    Got to agree again, it’s horrid to see the club losing passion the way it is.

    I’ve been shocked this last two weeks by how many ex players have come out and said all the things about our club.

  • 144 toonincheek // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    How much money comes from the Premier League?
    How much comes from Wonga?
    How much comes from Gate money?

    I think that answers the question as to how effective any kind of boycott, or cancelling seaon tickets would be, especially if only 8-10K did it.

    As I see it, MA is looking at the finances from the “how much will it cost to get in the top six” and “how much extra revenue would we get from being top 6″ viewpoint.

    And of course we are not happy ‘cos we want better.

    The squad is strong enough (all things being equal, which they are not) to finish 7/8th for sure.

  • 145 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Bollance…And we have all the time in the world :)

    Jesper…Yes, it works now, thank you.

    I agree with you and from what I’ve heard, so do many of the current groups looking for change. I believe there is now a sway from boycotting and they’re looking down the route of protests as to not have a negative impact on the playing side of things.

    I’m hoping more information will be available soon, but it seems to be gathering momentum.

  • 146 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Sage,

    Well let us all hope we don’t undershoot our target finish by the same number of places this season as we did last.
    Luckily all the statements coming out of the club suggest that those lessons have been learned….ahem.
    I have to go now. I enjoyed the chat.

  • 147 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    Bollance

    While every squad can be hit by injuries, other teams are better equipped to deal with said injuries. How is that a non argument?

  • 148 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Ibiza…I would still like to see the season tickets holders staying away from the home games but still attend the away games!

    …a silent SJP speaks louder than a booing SJP I think :)

  • 149 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    ciaran

    I think no team outside the expected top 6 has a better squad to deal with injuries than we do.

    We have 4 CB’s, 3 LB’s, 1RB (but santon or taylor or mbiwa can cover), a pack of midfielders, and 4 forwards.

  • 150 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Jesper…I think it would prove an effective approach, but that’s easy for me to say…I’ve never made it to SJP.

    I think it’s important that the majority have an agreed approach, rather than a disjointed attempt. So this is a good place to start and is achievable.

    An empty SJP is asking a lot at this point.

  • 151 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    can argue all the back up players aren’t quality but same as others

    i’d say with our starting 11 and a bench of elliot, taylor, dummet, tiote, jonas, marv and gouff we are pretty well equipped.

  • 152 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Transfer Sage

    The players that are speaking out are the one’s that have a real affinity with the club and the city, players that are fans and who love this club. It’s great to see some reaction from them as they know the passion that we have for this once great club and they know that with they public stand point their voice carries real weight.

    What really worries me is that it will be harder to remove Ashley now as the amount of money he can take from us has risen beyond his expectation with the new TV deal.

    I only hope we haven’t missed our chance to be rid of him

  • 153 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    Sage

    Sage

    Any of our forward players we get injured, we have to change our formation entirely (that is if we even play 4-3-3 tomorrow) any injury to Cisse or Remy, we’re pretty much screwed for goals. Swansea have a couple of decent goal scorers, and nifty attacking players. Southampton have a number of options up top with Osvaldo, Lambert and Rodriguez.

  • 154 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    With our current squad we are capable of 7th or 8th, but with the current manager and mood at the club we will be lucky to get into the top 10

  • 155 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Ibiza…there definitely need to be a colaboration the fans between if any action is going to have an impact :)

    …but working towards an empty SJP should be a goal if you ask me :) Yes it is easy to say since I am not a season ticket holder, but sadly some have to pay the price of change!

    Change does not come freely someone once told me ;)

  • 156 Ibizatoon // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    Jesper…No wonder Ashley doesn’t want change then :)

  • 157 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    Ibiza…exactly ;) lol

  • 158 Rooster // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    The winter window, dont give a shit!!!!!!!

  • 159 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Funny how the likes of Liverpool can force a change at their club ans yet we are still floundering and limping from one season to the next where we are fed lie’s and pure bulls**t.

    Any attempt at a boycott or public stand against Ashley has to be organised and sustained and done in the right way or he will simply ride it out and nothing will change.

    We can’t be seen publicly to be spoiling for a fight

  • 160 Coach // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    JackButler
    Our owner is the major shareholder in one of the UK’s fastest growing companies valued at over £4 billion.

    Do you seriously think he is turned on by the profit he might one day be able to take out of this club. I might not like the way he is running us but we have to keep a grip on reality.

  • 161 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    Coach

    Could it be that he cannot stand to think that he got this investment horrifically wrong and is implementing this plan to prove he can still make money from a football club?

  • 162 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    Coach

    How much free advertising does he get on the back of us for his retail company?
    Our transfer policy has been to buy solely from France and which country do you think SportsDirect has just been expanded to?

    The profits from the club today may be negligible but come next May all that changes

  • 163 Coach // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    Ciaran
    I would be very surprised if he hasn’t worked out that making a trading profit is borderline impossible.

    Right now I can’t see how he can be looking beyond getting his money back.

    I’ve read your question – why would he sell.

    Ask yourself – why on earth would he want to hang on one he can get out with his pride intact?

  • 164 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    ciaran

    we have a few nifty forwards like cisse, remy, gouff, ben arfa…we are no worse than teams like southampton

    we can play 433 using any of these as the forward 3 cisse, remy, gouff, ben arfa (marv at a push)

    i know we should be looking to add more quality in the depth but i really think our squad is 7th best just the way the manager will use them will have us around 10th

  • 165 Coach // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    JackButler
    It doesn’t change in any way that is financially useful to Ashley, just write the numbers down next to each other. He is worth something like £3 billion. OK, that’s a paper value but the profit from NUFC can’t possibly get his juices flowing.

    The advertising argument is a much better one, I have to admit that it could be a reason for him sticking around.

  • 166 Transfer Sage // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    by the way i think we should be aiming for better than southampton. not jsut matching the pack

  • 167 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    Coach

    Last season our TV revenue income was around £45 million come next May that could very well double and that figure is appealing, even to a billionaire.

    Put simply we are worth too much money to him for us to get him to sell unless a sale make him a massive profit

  • 168 Coach // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    Jack
    Follow your own logic through.

    Last year we made close to zero profit but we at least halted the losses. Your guess on the $90 million tv income assumes we have a reasonable season which won’t happen without investment. Indeed if there is no investment at all we are looking at relegation sooner or later and your whole argument falls apart.

    So now you’re left trying to guess how little he might get away with spending and your surplus funds come down and down. It’s going to be several years before the man can even get back what he’s loaned the club never mind start profiteering the way you imagine.

    Now compare that with how much he would make by simply selling 1% of his Sport Direct shares.

  • 169 lesh // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Three points:

    If Roma Sporting Director Walter Sabatini is equivalent to Newcastle’s Director of Football Joe Kinnear, then he’s equivalent in that his role’s probably somewhere near similar to Kinnear’s. There the similarity ends and I couldn’t imagine Roma hiring Kinnear – well maybe as a training dummy!

    2 Can’t see Gomis even wanting to come our way after his experience of Kinnear.

    3 and perhaps controversally so I’ll push the boat out and await the tsunami that might follow. Whilst I like everyone else would like to see or even hear of signs of ambition, I’m reasonably relaxed that Ashley’s not keen on working outside of a cash regime.
    Ok, other clubs appear to have spent in anticipation of monies coming in from the Prem and no doubt borrowed to do so. The likes of Arsenal and Spurs are well off for cash and can spend on that basis. How? Clever playing of the transfer market plus better revenue sources than we have plus in Arsenal’s case, EC league football very season for years. But for the likes of Swansea, Norwich et al, they’ve probably taken on debt to be repaid over time. Fine one might say, but then they’ll have less cash next season and thereafter unless they do very very well and surprise everybody.

    However, by not borrowing on the strength of anticipated income, we’ll have all of it available for the summer window. Ashley may wish to use all or part of it to draw down some of the debt he’s owed. Either way, no bad thing and it may mean bobbing along mid lower table for a couple of years but then, barring a catastrophe, we’ll be able to operate as a self-sufficient business.

    If that is Ashley’s strategy, I just wish he’d somehow communicate it!

  • 170 JackButler // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    Coach

    With all Premier League games being televised around the world owning NUFC allows the SportsDirect brand to grow beyond his expectations. The club has become a driving force for his retail profits.

    10th place in the league will pick up around £80 million this season so we need an average season to see that kind of money, yes it’s not as much in comparison to what he could make by selling shares in SportsDirect, but it’s still a massive amount of money as he is driving down cost for running us at every turn and expenditure is at it’s lowest point. That £80 million is a bonus to him

    Now factor that figure into the free advertising his company gets from being plastered around SJP when our games are televised around the world and the combination is simply too great to see him sell up in my opinion

  • 171 Slank // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    BandB, Ciaran, JackButler

    I’m back.

    I and many fans of my age want the club to do well. We wouldn’t have supported it for so long not to!

    But as one of you said that we have seen worse, much worse under previous ownership and therefore for me at least I can compare the current owner with previous owners who, with all due respect, were much, much worse than Ashley.

    Just because I (and some others) don’t always see, as many other fans see, heinous crimes and horrors that Ashley has supposedly brought down on the Newcastle fans doesn’t mean we don’t support the club or refrain from criticizing Ashley. It’s that in comparing today with times gone by it just isn’t that bad today.

    We are in the Premiership, have a grand stadium, financial stability and a pretty good squad. Apart from a brief few years under Keegan and Sir Bobby we have always been a mid-table team with mid-table managers and coaches. I don’t think a top flight manager will replace Pardew possibly because we are not a top flight club. I also don’t think we are anywhere good enough to finish in the top four. Our destiny is mid-table. I can dream of better but reality has rarely happened, sadly but I will continue my support ever hopeful.

  • 172 Coach // Sep 13, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    lesh
    I think you’ve got that pretty much spot on. It might not be pretty at times but he showed clearly last January that he will react if there is a threat of relegation.

    Having said that, there is no excuse for failing to bring in another goal threat, that is a risk too far. If Remy doesn’t lift our goal threat, we could be in trouble by January.

  • 173 Coach // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Jack
    I agree with you on the advertising up to a point, I don’t think it’s quite as important as you think but it’s certainly valuable. Do you know how much teams like Everton get for advertising in the ground, I don’t think it’s huge amounts.

    You have double accounted with your £80 million, £45 million of that is already in the figures so we’re looking at £35 million extra on the optimistic view that we finish 10th with the current team.

    Whatever happens, he will have to invest £10-15 million next January or in the summer, maybe both. If he pays the remaining £20 million off his loan it’s 5 years at the earliest before he gets his money back.

    In case you haven’t done the sums, he can ring his broker, tell him to sell 1% of his SD shares and get £43 million.

    What would he do without us to line his pockets?

  • 174 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    Not a top flight club? Go away and s***e.

    Nonsense.

  • 175 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    Two remarkable statements from the club in successive days.
    One suggests that we can use a metric for calculating the cost of transfers that no-one else uses, to claim we are the sixth highest spenders within the metric that they do use.
    It barely raises a comment, apart from a few “fair enoughs”, and one from Jail, who is less inclined to take this kind of pure effrontery on face value.
    Today we are told that the reason we failed to achieve the modest transfer aims the director of football and manager had identified as vital, is because it would have plunged the club catastrophically into the red.
    Again, hardly an eyebrow raised.
    Claims, Slank, that even the most venal of our previous regimes might have blanched to make.
    Indeed we are still buying the notion that we may need to clump around near the bottom of the table for a couple of years (on top of last season) to achieve “sustainability.”
    Near the time Ashley took over this club SD shares were worth 33p. Today they are worth over seven pounds and climbing sharply.
    I’d like, as Coach suggests, to put these things side by side.
    I’d like to ask why one part of Ashley’s business is the darling of the Stock Exchange, while the other remains the obscurantist, poverty-pleading, private fiefdom of the same man.

  • 176 mattnufc // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Why, then, was Kinnear brought in to buy players if we can’t afford them?

  • 177 Ciaran // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    BandB

    Newcastle United has become the advertising hoarding for Sports Direct. Would SD shares have reached that level without Mashley’s association with our football club? Not a chance.

    Keeping the club ticking along nicely and in the PL is all he needs in order to keep peddling his cheap tat on the back of our football club.

  • 178 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    ..and I would like to give him a good kick in the groin :D

  • 179 Slank // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    ciaran @173

    Do you think a flight club but have won at least one perhaps more trophies in the last 50 years?

  • 180 Coach // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    BandB
    I don’t know if we interpret the facts in the same way but please don’t think I like what Ashley is doing. I just try to understand some of it and if you look at these two business and put them side by side, one has made him a billionaire, the other has needed him to bail it out.

    He may not have remembered that he contributed pretty heavily to the need for the bail outs.

    My point is that I don’t think he’s very interested in us any more, he just wants to get his money out. The only doubt I have about that is the argument about how useful the media exposure is.

  • 181 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    mattnufc…some speculate that JFK still had a few years of his contract back when he suffered a heart attack!

    …he is running them off now so Mike doesn’t have to pay him ;)

  • 182 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Ciaran,

    The amazing thing is that the main debate is no longer between those who believe that and those who don’t, but between those who believe that and those who also believe it, but think it’s a jolly good thing.

  • 183 toonfin // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    Anbody know where I will be able to watch the match in town tomorrow?

  • 184 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Coach,

    What “facts” are we discussing? No-one can claim to know the facts. Neither myself OR you.
    Obscurantism is a part of club methodology.
    As I said last night, it isn’t always dumb to ask dumb questions.
    Working with teams of specialists, you sometimes find they get so close to their subject they can’t see the wood for the trees.
    They form a consensus based on the received wisdom and can’t think outside it.
    They are unwilling to rock the boat.
    They fear to challenge the elephant in the room or suggest the Emperor has no clothes, for fear of looking daft.
    You’ll remember Columbo?
    Asking dumb questions can be very informative.

  • 185 Laurent Robert 32 // Sep 13, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    We’re not in Europe, so that’s a good thing apparently. Nice ambition, Alan. Play on the front foot as well ‘ey? That must be why we’ve scored lots of goals then.

    Rrrrright…

  • 186 Coach // Sep 13, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    BandB
    I’m not sure why you quoted me and now want to suggest that the share price of SD isn’t a known fact but I don’t think it’s important either.

    Perhaps things just got lost in the previous posts.

  • 187 BandB // Sep 13, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Coach,

    It’s nearly match-day. This is when I put down the cudgels and miraculously turn into a pussy-cat.
    I won’t even get to listen tomorrow. I hope we can do something that at least makes me look forward to MOTD.
    HWTL

  • 188 Ben3arfa // Sep 13, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    Pardew is a liar
    Kinnear is a crook
    Ashley is evil

    Those are the people leading this great club into ruin

  • 189 Coach // Sep 13, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    BandB
    I’ll vote for all of that but I live down there now so this is actually one of the times I get to a live match. I hope I don’t regret it.
    HWTL

  • 190 Mister Tuff // Sep 13, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    Phew -just as well Percy Parsnip is opening up a bit and communicating important information to the fans. I speak of the near catastrophic financial situation we could have been in signing another top notch player – well a doomsday scenario averted there. So really Percy didn’t want any new decent players after all. Top management call by Percy.
    Percy Parsnip…………………………………………………..IN
    Top Quality Players…………………………………………OUT.

  • 191 GeordieTwo // Sep 13, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    The bollocks is breath taking for me. Pardew is the only manager who comes out and talks about club finances as if we’re the poor relations of the league. Could it get more embarrassing?

  • 192 HullMag6 // Sep 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Boycotts hurt the team/club not Ashley would you accept relegation as collateral damage?

    Go to matches cheer the team on just dont buy anything within the ground run petitions, rallies, marches, campaigns and demonstrations.

    Last time we did he threatened to sell so why not now?

    No money? MA is creaming off the top to reduce his loan at a guess, other clubs have speculated borrowing against the new tv money getting paid to the clubs later in the season. I’m betting most of that will disappear too. Is it football club by sports direct model a preparing to sell as Rangers will soon become a more attractive easier option for him when the old firm dominance is restored.

    But will he/should he sell?

    More importantly who will buy?

  • 193 GeordieTwo // Sep 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Good comments HullMag6 @191. It is the Sports Direct model of football ownership. Ashley’s net worth has sky rocketed yet we are run like a second hand bargain bin. The man has no pride in ownership. Off to Scotland with you Ashley. An ownership model in which the city takes part and shares ownership with several big local businessmen would be the best. The board should reflect the values of the city and the supporters. Honest ownership not Shepard style ownership with leaders who value the club as the beating heart of the city.




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