It’s A Setback For Newcastle Today – But That’s All

When you look at Newcastle’s first five league games of the season, most fans would have probably chosen Hull City at home, as the fixture we would be most likely to get all three points from.

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Loic Remy – after scoring first goal today

Add to that our poll where 85% of  our readers expected Newcastle to win, and therefore a 3-2 defeat today was a shocking result, especially when we had done so well in our previous three league games by amassing a good 7 points.

And Newcastle started this game so well, and we may have played the best football of the season for that first 25 minutes,  we showed great movement and pace, and Loic Remy had put us ahead, but then Hull scored.

And that was a sign of future defensive frailties, and although Loic put us ahead just before half time, who would have thought that Newcastle would give up two goals in the second half and lose the game.

But that’s what happened, and it’s very painful for fans.

But there wasn’t too much wrong with out attacking prowess today, although it went missing in that second half, and even with 20 minuets to go it was anybody’s game, and usually we have come on strongly in the last 20 minutes of games at home.

But not today, and the thing that worries us is our poor defending today, and all three goals came from the their left wing,  and the first and third goals saw Newcastle wide open, on the right hand side of defense.

Ben Arfa is not great at defending, and for both the first and third goals he was there or thereabouts,  but didn’t get anywhere close to defending the gap  in the Newcastle defense.

But we are not blaming Hatem, who has been great for us going forward this season, but today often had three players around him.

But the point is that last season we were hopeless in defense and conceded 68 goals in the league, and the team would get into winning positions and find ways to lose by giving away soft goals.

Hull City were good today, but they are hardly one of the best sides in the league, which is why Pardew and the coaches have to work with our defense and make it a lot stronger  than it looked today.

But it’s only one game, we have to remember that, and we created some decent chances and the team has scored four goals in the last two games.

And our worry is that our weak link is still in defense,  even though we have brought in two new defenders since last year at this time.

This was our big weakness last season, and we must strengthen our defense – it’s got to be the rock on which any side is built.

What do you think?

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49 comments so far

  • Schwefelberg

    Sep 21, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    Comment #1

    The last 7 days shows the problem with fans.

    Then people said it was the best squad they’d seen for years. And now?

    They said top 8 finish. Now?

    How qui ck they forgot Sunderland and Liverpool humilaitions with the same squad minus Remy.

  • valle

    Sep 21, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    Comment #2

    Pardew still needs to go, but he aint a gentleman so he wont walk himself… The team needs a shake as well, no fight, they thought their superior skill would be enough and they just had to show up, bunch of let downs the lot of them.

  • toonking

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    Comment #3

    with defence pardew in my time supporting Newcastle no manager has been any better with the defence.

    Newcastle seem to be the team who will always have a bad defence KK was too attacking at times which I think was the reason we finished 2nd

    during the robson era it was poor defenders who probably cost him his job

    with the likes of gled roder it was poor defending from players such as bramble boomsong injury prone woodgate then willo and another injury prone saylor
    colo and Enrique were poor the first year they came.

    we have been always thinking that our GKs always look quality but I get the feeling that the truth is the defenders are what make our keepers so good.

  • Rooster

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Comment #4

    We are totally inconsistant, we havnt dominated a game for well over a season and a half, just cannot put in a full 90 mins, average mid table outfit.

  • G

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Comment #5

    Post 2 has identified the problem, the squad is fine, but motivation and tactics are required. Those slating Cisse would do well to look at his past scoring history, then compare the lethal finisher we first signed, with a man who clearly has no instruction of how the team will be playing, or where he should be.

  • BDin9

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:18 PM

    Comment #6

    Just watched Dicanio talking to the Scum fans. Please don’t sack him. Made a bad day bearable

  • stan anderson

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:19 PM

    Comment #7

    Sorry to say it but we are shi-e and we get what we deserve nothing

  • Rooster

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    Comment #8

    Tough league games coming up, the league cup v leeds would be great to see Campell get a game, cannot possibly be worse than Cisse, maybe the least in form striker in the top two divisions, Pardew show some balls and give Campbell a start, Cisse needs a kicj up the baxkside, his place should bot be automatic, hes beyond bad at the moment.

  • stan anderson

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    Comment #9

    Cant believe anyone is hoping Campbell will be the answer

  • GeordieTwo

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Comment #10

    Consistency is one thing we haven’t had for a long while now. We play a decent game, then a bad one, then an indifferent one. With Everton and Cardiff next, both away, this doesn’t bode well. Everton are undefeated and Cardiff will be tough as well. I see no pattern being established to suggest we are going to be a top 8 team this season. If we took 4 of 6 points from the next 2 league games I would be encouraged but I don’t think it’s likely. Much more likely we’ll get 1 point from the next 2 (a draw with Cardiff). That would give us 8 points from 7 games. About on par with last season.

  • stan anderson

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Comment #11

    How sad it is becoming.

  • Marty-Toon

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Comment #12

    Cisse is a goos goal scorer but he’s either always offside or can’t control the ball lately
    That’s not something you do because of how the team is set up,it’s something every player has to have at this level.
    He’s been poor,he needs a goal for his confidence.
    We were poor today and very predictable at times.
    We certainly should be winning home games against such sides

  • BDin9

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    Comment #13

    Stan. We aren’t though. 20 mins really good stuff. 1goal up. Then clueless changes the formation. Nobody then knows what they are supposed to to do. Sissoko went missing. It changed again when Remy scored. But 2nd half was woeful

  • jimmysmith

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    Comment #14

    Who were Debuchey and Collo marking for the 1st goal, fresh air and then the same space, as far as I can tell, while Benny stands looking on. Truly awful, astonishing really, at this level, and all 3 top internationals, bloody ell!

  • AsprillaCartWheels

    Sep 21, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    Comment #15

    Hatem didnt show up, Cisse was lost, Colo was slow, debuchy, french international, had a torrid time against brady. I’m just glad to see Cabaye got kick in the shins and 2 well taken goal from loic remy.

  • Mark

    Sep 22, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    Comment #16

    Debuchy’s positional sense and marking is awful, fair play going forward and tackling by the touch or byline but when it comes to covering the defensive shift (when the defence have to move over as a unit to compensate for the other full-back pushing forward for a tackle), he hasn’t a clue, which leaves acres of space in his position. He was caught out becuase for some reason he decided to play defensive midfield, Colo had no choice but to leave the player behind him because he had a player in front and space to defend. Debuchy’s done this before and it’s something Pardew should be drilling into him. 3rd goal was Sissoko’s fault, didn’t track Aluko and gave him the space.

  • whatsup

    Sep 22, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    Comment #17

    Hull played pretty well – but they did score 2 goals that on another day would have probably missed or be save – both clipping the post.Ben Afra did not track back for the 1st. So silly errors cost us. Still played ok in patches – Cisse seems to be the weak link for me now – gives ball away too much with back to goal. cant afford to do that.

  • whatsup

    Sep 22, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    Comment #18

    Oh and Cabaye went off with a kick in the shin – seriously! harden up you ponce

  • JaxtheMag

    Sep 22, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    Comment #19

    hull were the better team they scored 3 at our place.

  • JaxtheMag

    Sep 22, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    Comment #21

    it must of been our European game thru the week to blame pardew. tosser.

  • Rooster

    Sep 22, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    Comment #22

    Give a Lad a chance who is chomping at the bit to show what he can do over 90 mins, cannot possibly do any worse than Cisse, not a point that Campbell is the answer, its the fact that Cisse is not doing it anywhere on the pitch, not helpin the team in any way, in fact he looks like hes feelin sorry for himself. A goal may change the way things are going for him but he dosnt even look like scoring, hes not even being unlucky, he just looks utterly crap.

  • stuart no9

    Sep 22, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    Comment #23

    too many people on here blaming the players for todays events , i dont.
    The opinion of most fans , and rightly so is that we have a very good starting 11 , a team that is capable of beating anyone on their day or at least giving them a bloody hard time. why is it then that the teams performences done equate to the quality of the individual players we have at our disposal? in other words , why have our 11 best players at the club not transformed into a good team ? there is only 1 answer , pardew dosnt know how to do it. he must go and quick..

  • stuart no9

    Sep 22, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    Comment #24

    dont equate*

  • stuart no9

    Sep 22, 2013 at 12:27 AM

    Comment #25

    MacToon—-great pic .. what a plonker.

  • Toon Tang

    Sep 22, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    Comment #26

    ranger defo found his calling in league 1, another good turn and finish. shame he was such a tit

  • Brutooon

    Sep 22, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Comment #27

    1) we are playing with our best 11 and still lose to Hull City

    2) first goal was Debuchy fault, he dont need to go to the middle

    3) 2nd goal there was no marking – basic thing in football

    4) Still not convince with Anita. If u guys notice, after we signed Anita, the club is going downwards

    5) When Cabaye is injured, AP go for a 4-4-2 with LONG BALL TACTICS. this is the reason we lose. He should bring in Marvo for Cabaye and stick with 4-3-3

  • terencelim

    Sep 22, 2013 at 3:18 AM

    Comment #28

    @Brutooon spot on. Not many fans notice your point 4 and 5.

    And I’ve said this many times years ago, Cabaye is not a good replacement for Kevin Nolan. It is proven a bad decision to kick the leader out of the club.

  • Ben3arfa

    Sep 22, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    Comment #29

    Some fans are slowly becoming as pathetic as management of NUFC

  • thai-mag

    Sep 22, 2013 at 4:30 AM

    Comment #30

    It must be obvious now, even Steve Bruce saw it, that Debuchy is the worst right back in the premier league, we have a huge problem there, every team we play now will target him as our weak link, but Pardew will still play him whatever happens,

  • gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb)

    Sep 22, 2013 at 5:11 AM

    Comment #31

    Hadn’t seen any of the game till Match of the Day.

    That clip of Ashley and Kinnear laughing to each other was so irritating. Just shows even if he’s terrible at his job it doesn’t matter, it’s a nice little favour. Having a right giggle they were.

    They get on and must talk a lot. Didn’t think to maybe ask him for, you know, actual transfers?

  • ilovetoon8788

    Sep 22, 2013 at 5:22 AM

    Comment #32

    @thai-mag // Sep 22, 2013 at 4:30 AM

    very true. i think most of us who are blaming Pardew is overlooking this fact. I don’t think Pardew personally told Debuchy to be crap.

    most of our games, he’s our weakest link and we concede lots of goals from there. Any ball that goes behind him and we are screwed. He turns like a slow moving tanker ship and gets beat very easily. Gives away silly fouls and penalties.

    Against Hull, Hull attacks came primarily from their left flank targetting Debuchy. They finished the game with about 50% of their attacks coming from that flank with just over 20% from their right.

    Steve Bruce clearly got his game plan right and targetted Debuchy from the start. Now most managers are just going to attack the flank he’s in and put balls behind him or ask the player to take him on.

  • nut meg

    Sep 22, 2013 at 5:33 AM

    Comment #33

    Very disappointing yet again.1/ Cisse was terrible again. 2/ Ben Arfa wasn’t interested, 3/ Krul looked like he hasn’t much confidence in what was his injured shoulder.That’s 3 big worries just for starters,so what is Pardew going to do about it ? Probably nothing! This man would.IMHO only gents.
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  • theartfuldodger

    Sep 22, 2013 at 6:09 AM

    Comment #34

    It really looks like overreacting today.

    All I want is gouffran in for cisse. If that doesent happen against everton or cardiff it will surely happen after that. There is always a danger of loosing possession with cisse and with attacking full backs you are punished.

    We will be more solid next game. Pardew will see to that. Debuchy will keep his position better.
    It means we will have a 1-0 or 1-1.

  • theartfuldodger

    Sep 22, 2013 at 6:27 AM

    Comment #35

    Mbiwa,Gouffran,debuchy,sissoko,anita have all had few premier league games. This was the first time they had the scope to be overconfident. And against hull,it seemed to be the case.

    It seems a good idea to play dummett for such games.

  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Sep 22, 2013 at 7:23 AM

    Comment #36

    theartful dodger

    @33 @34 agree with both I would have Goufran on from the start – to me he is the most intelligent player up front we have – good on the ball, quick runs the channels, creates the space can cross the ball just needs to put more of the chances he gets to score away.

    After we had dominated the first twenty minutes and scored you could see Hull getting something – we became over confident at the back and sloppy especially Mbiwa trying to dribble out of the box to many times.
    Need another outlet than Benni who when he has a poor game we became bereft of ideas on how to open up Hull.
    Krul has become a nightmare in the air should of come and challenge their scorer for the second goal – my biggest gripe in our goalkeepers is – has been for years none have commanded the six yard box.
    Also the fans need a kick up the backside to there was as much atmosphere as on the moon yesterday!

  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Sep 22, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    Comment #37

    Morning lads!

    I didn’t watch the game yesterday, but followed on livescore – can someone explain to me why we led in three goals at SJP?

  • NUFC 1892

    Sep 22, 2013 at 7:38 AM

    Comment #38

    4-2-3-1. PLEASE PARDEW PLEASE !!!

    =====CABAYE TIOTE=======

  • valle

    Sep 22, 2013 at 7:39 AM

    Comment #39

    Jesper… In short we were outmuscled by a team who showed more character and will to win.

  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Sep 22, 2013 at 7:40 AM

    Comment #40

    Team – Over confidence – thought they would just turn up and they would win.

    Fans – Over confidence – thought they would just turn up and we would win.

    And Hull wanted it more.

    I think we could get more results away from home with the team and formation we had out.
    We look like a counter attacking team at the minute


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