Players Let Themselves And The Fans Down Today


The Newcastle defense went to sleep at least twice during this game that allowed Hull City to score their first two goals, and that was after Newcastle looked very good in the first 25 minutes of this game, were well on top, and had gone ahead with a good Loic Remy goal.

Newcastle United's Loic Remy scored in the Premier League against Hull City at St James' Park

Loic Remy looked good with two goals today

Bur poor defending was the reason Newcastle didn’t win this game, and when you score two goals at home, we should be able to win the game.

Alan Pardew had this to say to BBC Sport about the very disappointing result:

“We started really, really well but then we dropped down a gear after our goal and that caused us problems for the rest of the game. ” “Third gear is not enough in this league against any side,” 

“You look for consistency and this team is a good team but we lack a bit of consistency and that is what gets you results.”   “The Premier League is about momentum and you can fly up the table at this stage of the season. We let ourselves down.”

It seemed that once Newcastle got ahead and they seemed to be so much the better side, we dropped down a gear and let Hull back into the game, and as Alan says that’s suicide in the Premier League, and Hull looked a good side after the first 30 minutes.

We could never recapture the great flowing play  we showed in the first 30 minuets but for us, the defense looked too shaky,  and when you give soft goals away – like we did for Hull’s first two goals – it’s difficult to win games.

Newcastle’s players will need to quickly learn that in this league you cannot take your foot off the accelerator, because if you do you lose your momentum, and sides are not in the Premier League because they are poor sides.

Hull played well in the last two thirds of the game, but Newcastle let themselves and their fans down today.

But Loic Remy looked good up front, especially in the first half,  and it wasn’t our attacking play that was at fault today – it was the defending and that’s a worry.

What do you think?

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132 comments so far

  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    Comment #1

    so what did Pardew do to change what was happening after the firs 20 minutes ? . To me it looked like he was just as clueless as the players and didn’t know what to do .

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Comment #2

    Jimiley, superior because all of our team are full internationals for top countries. Only a poor manager could make them underperform for this length of time. Even Remy was in and we still lose. No surprise, because Pardew has this effect wherever he goes.

    Ultimately, Ashley is to to blame because he not only employed Pardew, he keeps the incapable imbecile at the club as he is cheap to pay and can use him as a media buffer and also brings a joke in as well.

    As long as he has that buffer, he can distance himself and keep on advertising his business with little outlay on the pitch and without having to pay a manager who knows how to play good football and win things.

    Time for change, indeed.

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  • TorqToon

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Comment #3

    Anybody know if ba is playing for Chelsea tonight? He had family at our game today. Shame we didn’t perform.

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  • Tinman

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Comment #4

    People blaming Debuchy are a bit narrow minded, Hull played every single attack down that side, it makes it very difficult for a full back to defend all game, especially when he has little cover in front.
    Ben Arfa was appalling today, no effort and very predictable.
    Cisse was very poor yet again, time to be dropped.
    Anita and Sissoko were again very good, both were better than Cabaye.
    We ran out of ideas when Hull started to come at us, we were far too scared of losing.

    I think Pardew was poor again with his subs, we changed formations 3 times, once with each sub. Whats wrong with a like for like swap these days? Marveaux should have came on for the injured Cabaye, Gouffran should have been coming on for Cisse or HBA. Then bringing on a DM at the end is ridiculous and noone will make me see any logic behind that decision. Pards had already decided before the game that Tiote was going to get some game time, but the way the game went meant he shouldn’t have been brought on today.

    On the positive side, we look better than we did at the back end of last season and some of the January signings (and Anita) are really coming into their own.

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  • Tinman

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Comment #5

    Torq, I believe Etoo is starting. Good chance Ba won’t even be on the bench.

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  • JAMSHA

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Comment #6

    still shocked….. dammm i tought dis was it a win for us…. who do we play nxt

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  • toonking

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Comment #7

    re post
    LR32

    why the hell should it make any difference that we have internationals when they are ranked 25th in the world

    could this team get a high finish in the premier league

    GK-brimah razak
    RB Johnson
    CBsmalling
    CB gonzalez
    LB santon
    CDm tiote
    CM klich
    CM lonov
    LF kokorin
    CF lambert
    RF drmic

    here are 11 players all from good international teams who are curr3ently better ranked than france.

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  • theartfuldodger

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Comment #8

    Pardew, what about shape ?

    Remy- cisse- benny
    santon-cabaye-debuchy
    Sisoko-Anita
    mbiwa-collo

    Thats what our shape effectively looked like. And it wont work

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  • TorqToon

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Comment #9

    Tinman – eto’o is not the player he was a couple years ago. Ba shouldn’t be benched in favour of him imo.

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  • belgrade fan

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Comment #10

    Demba Ba is like 5th option in Chelsea. Really don’t understand him, he should return here and keep scoring. Killing his career for money

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  • OhSholaAmeobi

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Comment #11

    tinman

    glad someone else noticed that our mercurial winger needed a good right hook today, was very annoyed by him

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  • belgrade fan

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    Comment #12

    Torq

    Ba is the last option for Ch in attack. even Mourinho said that

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  • TorqToon

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Comment #13

    Belgrade – completely agree, my friend!

    Not what we needed today though if he gets feedback from today’s match.

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  • Steve_48

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Comment #14

    I was at the game today and noted the following. Night and day performances against the performance last week against Villa – a win today as we would have been 2nd in the league – there’s a thought…

    Most of the team in the second have had an inability to pass to each other in such a way to allow flowing play – the ball was largely fired at colleagues and not to them.

    HBA was in no man’s land for most of it, unable to pass successfully at all when cutting in from the left; teams have started to suss him out – don’t let him cut inside and it stops his shooting abilities.

    Remy was a real threat, we need to sign him permanently. Good value for his two goals and a real power house in the shoulder charge tackles.

    Colo commanded the defence however at times Santon looked massively inept, not knowing where to play and give Krull throw out options; at times I’m sure he was asleep Debuchy equally at fault in this area.

    Sissoko performed well but still not sure about Cabaye – when he went off I think he made a meal of the tackle and was looking to be subbed.

    Anita showing real promise, a quality player in the making.

    And then there’s Cisse… where to begin? Have to say it but should have been sold in the Summer; no control, no presence in the air either.

    As for their goals, largely out of the 1st half the 1st one was opportunistic at best. Giving away a free kick just after half time in a threatening are is as bad as scoring just before half time and failing to make it count. If their 1st goal was fortuitous it was stark contrast to the 3rd which credit where it’s due. was class and made the difference.

    Oh to be in second place …

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  • no.9shearer

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Comment #15

    Today’s match was a rollercoaster ride, unsurprisingly. The Magpies just like to make things difficult for themselves; well most of the time..

    I have followed the last 4 games ( excluding Morecambe ) and I honestly think that Cisse needs to be dropped until he finds his feet again. However, I feel the much bigger concern is that actually Pardew was genuinely outwitted by Steve Bruce today.

    Everyone’s morale was soaring when Newcastle managed to get that early 1st half goal with Sissoko’s industrious play. Unfortunately, we had to leak a soft goal making it 1:1. And then we managed to score again just before half-time to make it 2:1 at the break.

    Here’s where I have lots of questions for Pardew.. My point is why didn’t Pardew play a more counter-attacking game from the 2nd half instead? I mean I can totally understand when we were searching for that 2nd after going ahead in the 1st half but it was just unfortunate that we had to get hit on the break and concede a soft goal.

    But after our somewhat fortuitous 2nd goal just before the 1st half, where previously, I would consider Hull was equally threatening ( maybe even a wee bit more ) when we were trying to get ahead again. Thus, I felt thereafter, which was the mood of majority of the Geordies ( not helped by the poor poor defense ) and so I thought most would feel that way and that we would likely not throw caution to the wind during the start of 2nd half.

    Moreover, our defense had already some signs of becoming shaky after we had gone ahead early during the 1st. So I sincerely thought that the decision to go in search of a two goal cushion in the 2nd half was an ill-informed one ( doesn’t Pardew’s backroom staff have eyes to see as well and caution their manager? ) and so it would have been much wiser to be less enterprising and slow down play whenever.

    I agree that it would have been less exciting -maybe even boring but at least its efficient ( and definitely un-Newcastle-like ). Which so stresses back to my main point where I thought Pardew played into Steve’s hands by continuing to be attack minded.

    Secondly, was the huge slump in the quality of football from after when Hull tied 2:2 as we were under pressure to get back into the lead again. This is what I have observed in most of Newcastle’s games since the 2nd half of last season where the team will start hoofing the ball into the final third when they start to come under pressure and as a result perform much much worse. Maybe choosing to sit back a little when the team was 2:1 up and surely under less pressure at the time would have yielded better results and more pleasing football from start to end.

    The correlation for these horrible performances that I have humbly established is the relegation dogfight period of the last couple of games during last season where the team just cannot seem to play even half-decent football ( most often hoof ball ) being very likely due to the immense pressure to win those games and escape relegation.

    To conclude, I hope that Pardew will start showing a stronger hand in dropping ( his perceived main starters ) whom are not performing up to par and also employ more effective tactics in future matches otherwise I fear that another mediocre season awaits at best. I shudder to think of the negative scenarios otherwise.

    -From a concerned NUFC supporter.

    PS: My apologies for such a long post but I have been a lurker / follower of this blog for quite awhile now and I just felt compelled to finally express my thoughts especially after that Hull game. ( I thought that was a throw ) Thanks to anyone who bothers reading my post.

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  • belgrade fan

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Comment #16

    Demba Ba is still not replaced. Still need somebody like him
    And one more thing- when I was playing when we wanted to control game very often we said our FBs not to go forward so much. Only in counterattack. Situation today was in one word- circus

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  • toonking

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    Comment #17

    artfuldor
    the trouble pardew has got is he is so limiting with options on the bench.
    while their is so much stuff has it’s backers and anti’s what I think every single fan does agree with is awful depth.

    santon and debuchy, HBA and remy were our width today which meant too much attack and forward play was done.
    the problem who is their in the squad that will be accepted as a replacement
    tiote-no
    Jonas-no
    obatan-no
    marvo-no difference as he is just as aggressive
    Sammy-too much relation to shola for most fans
    raylor- out for season
    hadaira-yes but I think he has been injured.

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  • Tinman

    Sep 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    Comment #18

    OhShola, tell me about it mate. Tried to go inside every single time and showed no effort at all. If it wasn’t him, or we had a guttsy manager, he would have been taken off at HT for Gouffran.

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  • Tinman

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Comment #19

    Torq, Etoo was very poor against Everton. Missed some golden oppurtunities.

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  • belgrade fan

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Comment #20

    AP needs to say to our FBs to keep positions better. And then Hull wouldn’t have space upfront. Cisse out in HT, Gouffy in so he can do the job. But NO, you cant expect sth like this from AP. stupid stupid man, no chance to learn from his own mistakes

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Comment #21

    Toonking, we have have good players who play with a rubbish manager in charge. Look at those Hull players, not a patch on ours on paper, so yes, superior and of international calibre.

    If you love Pardew and believe his lies then that’s fine, but don’t expect me or thousands of others to.

    France
    Senegal
    Italy
    Holland
    Argentina

    A full team made up from players from these countries shouldn’t be beaten by Hull at home. Nice one, Alan, not.

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  • belgrade fan

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Comment #22

    We scored at best possible moment. 44th min. Then we were in posit to dictate the game. VS Hull we can afford to keep our FBs on positions because we have enough quality players to keep f*****g Hull down. But as I said- you need to have superbrain for this. Stupid AP

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  • belgrade fan

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Comment #23

    We scored in the best possible moment. 44th min. So we were in position to dictate the game. FBs stays behind, we can afford that because our players r quality enough to keep Hull down. But again with this Cisse… like we play with 10

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  • toonking

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Comment #24

    Belgrade
    why the hell should pardew be needing to tell a FB that his job is to defend.

    I learned what a FB was from my PE teacher

    professional footballers are called professional because they know football so any professional FB should know that he has to keep his position right and mark the right man at the back.

    it’s called overrated players thinking these are easy games when infact the premier league never has an easy game we not the SPL or ligue 1

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  • Eddie

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Comment #25

    The manager let us down.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Comment #26

    I’m not criticizing Pardew for today’s game. I didn’t get to watch it sadly. But like many others I’m saying we’ve had more than enough of his management (more than 100 games now). It won’t take us anywhere we want to go. We won’t finish in the top 8, even with limited injuries and a cup run is out of the question because we don’t have the depth. We don’t have sufficient cover at RB or striker and we badly need a winger as well. We did almost nothing in the summer and it’s going to hurt us badly again this season. Joe didn’t do nearly enough. He didn’t part with players like Jonas, Willo, Obertan and Gosling and he didn’t bring any more competition or depth into the squad. He was a waste of space in other words and with Pardew as manager it means another season of disappointment. I don’t like saying it but it’s there for all to see again this time round.

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  • Steve_48

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Comment #27

    Agree belgrade, Cisse’s days should be numbered, he was crap today, neither control nor vision

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  • belgrade fan

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Comment #28

    toon

    Because you can use FBs for attack too. Look Baines. But when they r under fire and result is good for us they NEED to stay back. And manager is that one to order that. But no our manager, man is really not normal. We needed to make game more slow and then to use our chances. And I guarantee to you this is not last time this to happen

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  • toonking

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    Comment #29

    france is ranked 25th in the world
    they only got into the last world cup because they cheated Ireland should have won it.

    a top international does not join a club which was already relegated last season a top international would never leave a CL to join a team which has never been a consistant CL team.

    top international players play for CL teams

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  • belgrade fan

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Comment #30

    I would really like to know what AP said to players on HT. probably take a water and good luck in 2nd HT. First of all he needs to create atmosphere like every game for us is like we play vs United or Chelsea. Not like- oh, easy game. He is not Real M manager. But he would killed them too

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  • theartfuldodger

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Comment #31

    Toonking,
    All Pardew needs to do is ask our fullbacks to keep shape.
    We dint need different players today.

    Thers no need for negativity. We will learn.

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  • belgrade fan

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    Comment #32

    We wont learn because we have so many games every season very similar to this one. Scored first than get killed. why? nobody knows. our manager CAN NOT MOTIVATE our players.

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  • toonking

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    Comment #33

    well look on the bright side we have already got the next one at our club ready and waiting.
    he is called the great joe Kinnear.

    and really KK I guess was an idiot for letting that massive gap we had over Manchester united slip away.

    why should we have Rodgers who can’t even beat Southampton

    why is morineo so great when he doesn’t even show interest in starting ba.

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  • MacToon

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Comment #34

    Quite clearly there are alot of football fans on this blog but obviously very few football managers. Been trying to work out which Pardew is if either!
    Seriously though, he was out thought by Bruce today, what a shocker! No plan b…. have we heard that before?

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  • LeedsMag

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Comment #35

    Had a sneaking fear this might happen today.The villa result was excellent but overhyped in terms of it being a marker for the season. One game doesnt suddenly make us a great team any more than it makes us a bad one.However, the warning signs are still there, we still are very leaky at the back when teams go at us.HBA will always have the potential to get you off your seat but will never be consistent and can be a luxury when the going gets tough.Not sure the French lads have the fight when needed.
    Not sure if I’m right here but didnt we get relegated the last time we lost to Hull early season when expected to win.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Comment #36

    Take a look at our goal difference again this season. It’s already very telling. A -3 goal difference and we’ve played some pretty poor sides already. It just looks a lot like last season again to me. We’ll finish somewhere between 11th and 14th. Not nearly good enough.

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  • JaxtheMag

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Comment #37

    it was a fair result we were poor, ive said many times our defence is poor letting in 3 at home againsed hull proves that. santon and debuchey are not good enough.

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  • WWSBRD

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Comment #38

    Shock loss? Every team earned the right to play in this league and we’ve seen many many times anyone can beat anyone so a promoted side beating a nearly relegated side isn’t much of a shock tbf

    Fair play to Hull came to St James went behind twice and ended up winning

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  • belgrade fan

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Comment #39

    I really think we needs to change Cisse after 45 mins. We have game vs Leeds so give him 90 mins to improve, but not today

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  • GeordieTwo

    Sep 21, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Comment #40

    Spot on Belgrade fan.

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