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64 comments so far
toonking
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:07 PM
Comment #1even if we do miss out on the league cup we still have the fa cup and that usuall haves lots of mega upsets.
jimmysmith
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:07 PM
Comment #2Just imagine if Sammy and Goofy step up this season and we are fortunate with injuries.
Top 6?
Hey c’mon, could happen. Both look capable of it. Football, funny old game, after all.
manxpie
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:15 PM
Comment #3does anyone think we got not just the better deal but better player in mbwia instead of sakho
sakho is big n strong but looks very slow n clumsy so far this season?
toonking
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:16 PM
Comment #4jimmy
when i look back at last season we may of had loads of awful games in the premier league but in the Europa league their is not one i can really think that was poor to watch and most of them games also were when we mainly saw players such as anita make his way into the first team this year.
next year i think will be the big stepping stone for both dummett and Sammy because if they can continue to perform like they have in the last few cup games.
pardew could look at using dummett as the FB and remy along side cisse or swap them.
Ciaran
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:20 PM
Comment #5I have little faith in our fringe players, Obertan, Williamson, Gosling, simply are not good enough. Very few of our younger players are making the grade either.
We should have a stronger squad, but we don’t, and as such, it is seen, not alone by me, but by the club as well that we would be under relegation threat if we tried to attack the cups.
This isn’t my opinion, this is the opinion of the club. So what you should be asking is, does the club rate our fringe and younger players?
Also manx
I was commenting on the general state of the squad, not specifically this match. Did I need to see the game to comment on how good or bad our squad is?
toonbrother
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:27 PM
Comment #6The cisse detractors on this site are clearly idiots. Fake fans the lot of them. Happy he stuffed humble pie down their throats tonight
jimmysmith
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:29 PM
Comment #7Ashley a gambling man, only with our emotions. I really have to resist the urge to hate his guts, and still I can’t help see hope and silver linings, where if I had any sense, I certainly wouldn’t.
Still, could be far worse, imagine a life without Newcastle. Doesn’t bear thinking about really.
Ciaran
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:30 PM
Comment #8Toonbrother
If all it took to be considered a quality striker is to score against Leeds then there are a lot of quality strikers out there.
Cisse has scored one goal since April, and it was against a Championship side. Don’t think anyone is eating humble pie.
manxpie
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:31 PM
Comment #9ruddy you must have read about how sammi n dummet played n guess wat there two not just young players but fringe players?
plus we started 6 new players from our loss at hull and won the game very easily
and to me seeing how good our squad is, IS seeing the team play using that squad play but maybe that sounds utterly stupid!! mmmmm??
santonthenewmaldini
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:32 PM
Comment #10Just watching the highlights on BBC again see having a player on the wing on his proper foot being able to play a ball in first time can make such a difference
Cisse does make great runs but because we cut inside a lot it takes up valuable seconds and gives defenders time to recover
Gouffrans goal was quality have not seen a centre forward score a goal like that since Demba Ba or Carroll one touch then boom brilliant
Ciaran
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:34 PM
Comment #11Manxpie
A lot of people were commenting how good our first team was when we beat Villa. That exact same team got rolled over by Hull. We made some changes and beat a Championship team at home. Great. Does it mean we have a good squad? No.
I fail to see what is confusing you.
santonthenewmaldini
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:35 PM
Comment #12I will say though Cisse’s goal was totally on a plate but his general play was still gash even after the goal I would have expected him to be buzzing but he still did not contribute to the team
Gouffran on the other hand his link up play is so much better his wee back heel to set up Obertan was nice
Still no clue how we will fair against Everton because Fulham beat them and they are terrible so who knows?!?
manxpie
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:39 PM
Comment #13agree santon wat a goal and very good point on cisse i remember shearer sayin not long ago how as a striker knowing when the ball is coming in is a strikers dream because there run depends on it and we’ve had opposite footed wingers for some time now
if only we could find a right footed arfa lol?
jimmysmith
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:39 PM
Comment #14I think you either persevere with Cisse or you get rid.
He won’t come good on the bench and when he does it’s likely gonna be in a torrent of goals, particularly if our other attackers and apparent excellent midfield strikes some consistent form.
In my humble opinion, an in form Cisse is easily arguably the most valuable player we have.
james589
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:42 PM
Comment #15Gouffran and Cissé, our two poorest finishers this season both scored extremely well taken goals. Is this down to great service, looser marking, or just them finally shaking the dust off? I’m hoping it’s the latter of the three and this marks the breaking of Cissé’s duck for the season. Hopefully he’ll go into the next game with renewed confidence.
Best result we could have asked for after Saturday. HWTL
santonthenewmaldini
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:44 PM
Comment #16@ Manxpie
Why not just play Arfa on the left ?!? For me he is always much more dangerous on the left because he can just whip it in when he plays on the right it can be too easy too read and he is hardly prolific in front of goal he should be more concerend with creating chances than scoring them
@Jimmy smith
For me its difficult to know if Cisse is totally off form because we rarely create good chances for him must be shite running about closing defenders down all game waiting on scraps he is capable of scoring wonder goals that can win close games
I think with the players and system we play we need a striker who can do more than just score goals we need a player who can bring others into play more which Cisse cant do unfortunately
manxpie
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:44 PM
Comment #17ruddy we have got a good first team and wat shows tonight is that we’ve got a good backup 1 loss doesn’t change that in my eyes so not confused at all ruddy
but the fact you’ve wrote of that 1st team shows that you are!
toonking
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:50 PM
Comment #18santon
that formation was really set up in a similar fasion to what we were using two seasons ago
it’s sort of a 4-4-2 which has the occasional switch to 4-3-3
anita sissoko
HBA cabaye remy
teams know that HBA is going to come into the centre as he likes to take players on debuchy is theirfore always needing to get forward leaving space at the RB also remy too prefers to get into the centre so santon himself is having to get forward and again that is another load of space at the back and what that means is defenders are now all running up to close in on remy and HBA which unfortunely means we have the trouble of cisse being offside and debuchy or santon too.
but when you have a winger like Sammy who can himself come into the centre but can also provide the crosses it means cisse will now be able to stay onside as defenders are not moving up the pitch they are moving across to the side and santon can come forward to and provide assists or dummett they know that they can do passing much easier.
some might think that a 4-4-2 will create hoofball when really the thing that causes hoofball is when the midfield is getting closed down so easy and that is done when players are always running into the centre.
Ciaran
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:53 PM
Comment #19In the same sense that 1 loss doesn’t change your view that we have a good squad, 1 win doesn’t change my view that we have a distinctly average squad.
Nearly half of the starting line-up tonight were first team starters, Tiote could even be included in that list too, which makes 6 players who would be starting week in week out. The likes of Dummy and Sammy have been doing well in recent weeks, it’s good to see them step up. Gouffran looks like he could be good for the squad and it’s great to see him playing well, but we need more than 14/15 players. We need competition in all sectors, every single one of our 25 man squad should be in genuine contention for a place and that’s not the case in our squad.
manxpie
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:53 PM
Comment #20santon yeah i think we should swap n change alot more but i think arfa himself wants to cut in ala messi but if marv would put in the effort that arfa has shown in coming back we’d have 2 very productive attacking wingers that could swap very easily
but marv seems to not have the work rate
for me gouff has been the best all round signing we’ve made recently he works very hard in a lungbursting position if he doesn’t start at the weekend i’ll feel very sorry for him
toonking
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:54 PM
Comment #21the right side is the biggest difficulty for wingers all our wingers really are left.
what i am starting to think now is why not just sell marvo Sammy looks to be a one coming through HBA can be a starter and Jonas is back up even ferguson could be sold to Birmingham and use all that for a RW.
Ciaran
Sep 25, 2013 at 11:56 PM
Comment #22Don’t get where people are praising HBA’s work rate either. He played very well against Villa, but followed that up with one of the laziest displays I have ever witnessed in a Toon shirt. HBA is class, but he’s hot and cold. If we’re going to slate Marv for work rate, then HBA comes in under that bracket too frankly.
jimmysmith
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:00 AM
Comment #23Sh@t yes, I can think of half a dozen players who likely won’t contribute who I’d exchange for one tip top quality winger in the Ribery mould.
santonthenewmaldini
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:00 AM
Comment #24I still harbour a little hope Ferguson can come back and be decent for us what we really lack in a winger is someone who can just pump balls in without thining about it and he can certainly do it who knows Clarky turned Redmond into a quality winger might do it to Ferguson ?If not another team might buy him for a small fee
Yeah its a shame about Marveux because he can play a lovely pass he is always looking for movement when he has the ball its a shame he does not have the work rate to be a starter dont know if thats attitude because he is not a starter or confidence
toonking
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:05 AM
Comment #25ruddy
where do you come up with all this
one minute your saying we have got a bad manager who is destroying a good set of players the next minute your saying that this team is just an average team
one minute your saying pardew is making bad sustitutions and team selections the next minute your saying we have no decent depth or youth
one minute your blaming pardew for a bad season which was hit by masses of injury the next minute you sayig we have a very poor squad.
you want pardew to tell the truth so come just admit it youself
you don’t really follow Newcastle you just want to be negative.
jimmysmith
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:09 AM
Comment #26Obertan, Marv, Fergie, Gos, Tav, R Taylor oot! No room for sentiment, proven top winger in. Actually don’t see that weakening the squad.
Ciaran
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:09 AM
Comment #27Toonking
We have a good set of 11-13 players, whom are not being fully utilised by a poor manager.
The squad behind that is poor and lacking in depth.
Nothing contradictory in that at all.
Ciaran
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:11 AM
Comment #28“one minute your saying pardew is making bad sustitutions and team selections the next minute your saying we have no decent depth or youth
one minute your blaming pardew for a bad season which was hit by masses of injury the next minute you sayig we have a very poor squad.”
You also realise that in both these statements, both can be true at the same time?
toonking
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:15 AM
Comment #29well i’m off to bed
i am very happy with todays result and the performance of the team so only talk positive go night m8s
as for youruddy
you might want to be negative ruddy but your very much alone the other negatives are missing today.
simple as that
manxpie
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:16 AM
Comment #30ruddy so in other words you want a man city or chelsea squad then?
thats bonkers fella seriously bonkers and it takes a hell of alot of years from being in the red to black for that to happen unless some oil baron comes in thats reality
so unless you’ve got this master plan that gets this kinda buyer your dreams aren’t gonna happen and probably no quicker!
jimmysmith
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:19 AM
Comment #31Actually, Strolla can be on his bike also, to the UAE for a big pay day and the World Cup with my best wishes, and maybe keep Marv, who might just be great coming off the bench, for a few oles if our first choice has done its job properly.
manxpie
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:20 AM
Comment #32ruddy arfa has SHOWED his improvement in his all round game marv hasn’t simple as that mate
manxpie
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM
Comment #33toon king couldn’t have put it better meself lol!!
manxpie
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:24 AM
Comment #34Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:11 AM
“one minute your saying pardew is making bad sustitutions and team selections the next minute your saying we have no decent depth or youth
one minute your blaming pardew for a bad season which was hit by masses of injury the next minute you sayig we have a very poor squad.”
You also realise that in both these statements, both can be true at the same time?
ruddy you do realise thats his point?
Ciaran
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:25 AM
Comment #35Manx
Has HBA shown his all round improvement? For a game here and there yes, but consistently? No. He is still our best player, but his work ethic is suspect at times. Not comparing him to Marv, as both have suspect work ethic, just don’t think we should be slating one and praising the other for work ethic when they both lack in it.
It doesn’t take mega bucks to have a competitive squad, we could have signed another 4-5 players for less than 30 million. Even if we signed 3 players for less than 20 million quid we’d have a very strong squad. Stop exaggerating my points in an attempt to invalidate them. It’s a silly tactic.
Ciaran
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:28 AM
Comment #36Manx
It’s actually not. He’s saying that I am being contradictory, when I am being the opposite. You really are confused this evening.
Ciaran
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:33 AM
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manxpie
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:37 AM
Comment #38no ruddy he has perfectly pointed out your contradictions as you say both them statements can be true at the same time but still contradict your statements why don’t ya have a look again?
and on arfa yes he has but lets not forget wat injuries have held him back from having even more progress (god only knows wat player we’d have on our hands now)
but marv doesn’t seem to have the same drive at all i remember seeing a post on here saying you really could show all marvs good points in a 1 min youtube vid and its true and he’s been here wat 3 years!?
Ciaran
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:42 AM
Comment #39Manx
Nope lad, think you need to have a little look again there lad.
I’m not defending Marv, he hasn’t been good enough. I’m simply saying that HBA’s work rate is suspect at best.
manxpie
Sep 26, 2013 at 12:57 AM
Comment #40nope ruddy you are still massivley contradictive to me and many others are and on this season so far we are showing we’ve got a competitive squad!
and please tell me the prem league teams that have got 25 players that could seriously target every position?
there’s city man u (possibly) chelsea thats it!!!!?
and lets see how much there team costs or could afford to ours hey!?