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Newcastle’s Decline – We Can Now Emulate Swansea

11:29 am, Wednesday, September 25th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 57 Comments

If two years ago somebody had said that Newcastle could emulate Swansea, who eight years ago were almost out of the Football League altogether, you would have politely asked what they had been smoking.

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Coloccini - we can emulate Swansea

But Swansea have done very well in their two years in the top flight, and the Welsh club have a talented manager in Michael Laudrup, and they qualified for the Europa League last season by beating Bradford City in the Capital One Cup Final, and so far they have done well in the Europa League and have qualified for the group stages.

Fab Coloccini was not happy with the display or at the attitudes of some of the Newcastle players on Saturday, and he was right about that.

Colo has come out today and said we can emulate Swansea:

“We see what other teams have done and feel it could be us.” “We want to win something as players, of course we do.” “We are hungry to win something.”

“So we have to focus on this cup.” “We’ve got to look to tonight and get the win we need.”   “For us it is very important.”

“We have a good chance as well at home against Leeds. The players who haven’t been playing might get a chance.”

Leeds are a famous and great club, and they will bring a massive 5,000 fans to St. James’ Park tonight, where two clubs with some of the best fan support in England will be on show.

We have to hope we can get through this game, because another defeat will only bring out all the gloom and doomers – and that’s never very pleasant – and we want to see a stable Newcastle this season, but that may mean we have to be successful.

Much better to get a win tonight, and then we have to get something out of next Monday night’s game at Goodison Park,

Keep the faith.

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57 responses so far ↓

  • 1 BuckLuck // Sep 25, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Swansea have Laudrup and we have Pardew. We won’t be better than Swansea as long as those factors doesn’t change.

  • 2 Rooster // Sep 25, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    MA is im afraid cheapening the brand of NUFC just as he has done with Lonsdale Everlast Dunlop kangol firetrap karrimor, all once good solid decent stuff, now mostly TAT, certainly the way they are made is a different process to those firms of old, it just mings at the thought of it. we are literally turning in to Sports Direct Utd!!! we really are!?!?

  • 3 Slank // Sep 25, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    The issue with tonight’s game and cup games in general is that the club either goes full out to win a winnable trophy and thereby field the first eleven or use the opportunity to blood some or all of the second eleven.

    I can fully understand the commitment to the league because that is where all the money and prestige is but why can’t the first eleven (or the majority of them) play twice a week?

    The worst case is putting together eleven individuals, from the second and third strings, and thinking that it is a cohesive team. Far too often these ‘teams’ look like what they are, eleven individuals kicking a ball about without any cohesion and tactics.

    My team would be:
    Elliott
    Debuchy – Williamson – Colo – Dummitt
    Sissoko – Anita
    Ben Arfa – Marveaux – Goofy
    Cisse

    Debuchy and Ben Arfa both had shockers against Hull and now have to prove that their recent good performances were not flashes in the pan. Williamson as he needs a run out. Dummitt and Goofy as they fully deserve to play. Marveaux as a replacement for the injured Cabaye and also because he is better in the middle than out wide. Cisse because he needs to score to get his confidence back.

  • 4 Scottiedog // Sep 25, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Swansea were a good team before Laudrup!!

  • 5 martoon // Sep 25, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Like I said earlier Pardew has clearly stated that Tiote, Dummett & Sammy will start tonight so what is the point of continually posting teams that do not include these three??

  • 6 Slank // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    martoon @ 5

    But everybody says Pardew lies as does Ashley, who never communicates, so why should I believe it when he says which players will start?

  • 7 Blofal // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    I think Pardew will play this formation and it will be the last chance for Cisse. If he doesnt put in a good showing he wont start next game. Would love to see Good get another chance after his solid showing against Morecombe but I doubt Pardew will risk it.

    Debuchy – Willo/Good – Colo – Dummet
    ———–Tiote——–Anita———–
    Gouffran——–Sissoko——-Sammy–
    ——————Cisse—————–

  • 8 Rooster // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Team V Leeds
    Tim Dunlop
    Paul Karrimor
    Davide Lonsdale
    Fabricio Kangol
    Mike Slazenger
    Cheick Firetrap
    Sylvain Goldigga
    Yohann Donnay
    Adam lagear
    Sammi Leecooper.

    By its just depressing, we are morphing in to a big cheap franchise. sorry Mike its got you and your smell all over it!

  • 9 kevymartins // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Who all have we loaned out? I think tav is out but this would be a good cup team.

    ________Alnwick_______
    Tav____Good___Mbabu__dummett
    ______Tiote________Bigi
    ____________Anita_________

    ___Sammy_____Campbell_____marveaux

  • 10 theartfuldodger // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    iL repost what I said earlier..

    Fans for Ashley are merely consumers of his business just like for samsung or apple.They are not stakeholders.He doesent need to explain and justify. Just give updates.
    Samsung and Apple compete amongst themselves while Ashley has no competition to fill seats at St James Park. Plus Free advertising here and also europa or preseason in portugal france etc. He has had his difficulties but is slowly getting the formula -Play weak teams in cups,make bargain buys and survive. Thats his way.

    Is there any evidence that Ashley doesent think this way ?

  • 11 Nufc-83 // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    The game is being shown on a small number of foreign channels tonight and so there is a slim possibility of a stream.

  • 12 Nufc-83 // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    kevymartins // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Who all have we loaned out? I think tav is out but this would be a good cup team.

    ________Alnwick_______
    Tav____Good___Mbabu__dummett
    ______Tiote________Bigi
    ____________Anita_________

    ___Sammy_____Campbell_____marveaux

    That team there would get destroyed by Leeds and is laughable tbh

  • 13 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Ashley lies – Ashley doesn’t communicate
    Simpson is just steady – Debuchy is too attacking
    We should have signed more players – our youth players need to play

    Just some of the contradictions coming from fans…sometimes even the same fans…

  • 14 kevymartins // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    @Nufc-83 It’s not the point in it getting it destroyed , it’s getting the young lads some experience while on the other hand keeping first team players fit and not playing near a full team and getting beat anyway and getting injuries.

  • 15 kevymartins // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Also @nufc-83 Exactly how is that laughable? I f you have watched any reserve games you would know the talent players like Alnwick, Tav, Dummett, Mbabu, Campbell,Bigi show. Bigi is going to be a super star in a few seasons just watch.

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    TDS

    On previous…why is it bad liverpool fans protest with us?

    It’s a sign of respect they see us as a club which deserves better. Surely if you have two sets of fans from different clubs speaking out against an owner saying his is ruining a club is good for the cause?

    I don’t understand how people see it as a negative. We want to do this to get sympathy and notice from the media/nation and surely this is the biggest sign of support.

    And get in touch with the organisations, follow their facebook and twitter, they post updates and have said they plan for the liverpool game but are waiting for confirmation from local authority.

  • 17 Nufc-83 // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Oh so the experience of going out at st James and getting ripped apart will do them the world of good lmao will probably ruin half their careers.

    No wonder we have not won anything for so long with mentality like that ffs.

  • 18 Transfer Sage // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    I think for kids it’s important to only use one or two at a time (until they become regulars) otherwise it is asking too much for them to all go up against experienced pros.

    Bring one or two in when they are in good form and in a game where they should have an easier time.

  • 19 kevymartins // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    @Nufc-83 are you retarded? You learn from losing so how will that ruin half there careers. Every minute the reserves can get for the first team is valuable valuable experience for them in learning there trade and help them to become better players.

  • 20 daztoon // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    TS
    Agree think its great the fool fans have agreed to participate in the march and proves supporters of other clubs also see Ashley for what he is.

  • 21 Nufc-83 // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    If you want to bring young players through you cant expect to put them into one side and go out and play Leeds in the cup who will be a tough nut to crack for our 1st team.

  • 22 Maladoni 69 // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    5,000 of them though? Seems really inflated to me, they’ll just about have half that allocation of tickets.

  • 23 Nufc-83 // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Lol Kevy i think it may be you who is retarded. If that team went out and got battered then i can assure you the majority of them would be negatively impacted and learn nowt. They learn by getting introduced slowly into a confident side with experienced players.

  • 24 NoClue-Pardew // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    what does pardew see in sammy? he is lazy and lacks both phase and skill.. And it also looks like he is struggeling breathing whit his big mouth.

  • 25 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    TS

    I think it’s laughable to be honest and I think Mike Ashley will think of it the same way. Of course a hardcore group of football fans will be willing to march down a city centre in protest of a fat cat owner “destroying” a football club. How could they refuse?

  • 26 kevymartins // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    @Nufc-83 Funny you say that, you ever notice how teams like Arsenal produce the best youngsters year after year? Wilsher, Gibbs, Jenkins, Chamberlain, Ramsey just a few names to throw out there who came through more or less at the same time, it’s simple they get more playing time more experience more confidence, Take a look at Arsenal’s line up in there cup matches.

  • 27 Transfer Sage // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    nufc-83

    I don’t think a thumping would do them harm but can’t see how it benefits them much at all, like you say.

    One or two in the side at a time will help get them used to playing not only against good players, but with good players which is even more important.

  • 28 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Artful dodger
    Don’t quiet understand what your saying?
    He’s just doing enough to survive? How is that slowly getting the formula?

    Sage
    I don’t understand how people see it as a negative. We want to do this to get sympathy and notice from the media/nation and surely this is the biggest sign of support.

    Spot on mate

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    TDS

    why laughable? it shows not only our own but others are against him.

    Whether a protest will have any benefit or not is not the point, the point is that liverpool fans joining in can only enhance the protest and show fans aren’t happy with owners like that.

    What would you suggest as a better alternative to a protest? Hardly like we can email billionaires asking them to buy the club.

  • 30 kevymartins // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    And another thing at nufc-83 How can you say the would get demolished? I bet Campbell would score quicker than cisse if played, Tav wouldn’t be a complete donkey and let 3 goals come from the Rb position, Dummett wouldn’t basically be a LW and leave the LB position completely open.

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    kevy

    I might have missed the start of this debate.

    how many kids are you suggesting we play?

  • 32 kevymartins // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    @Transfer all of them.

  • 33 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    TDS
    Just because you find it laughable does that make it wrong? Or there aims and views any less valid?
    The groups are easily reachable, have tried to put suggestions forward to any if these groups, got in contact with any of the fans forums to put forward that you think the majority of fans simply want communication?
    Or do you simply dismiss them as tinpot and are happy sitting in the background putting down the efforts of others are spending the last 3 odd months telling them to shut complaining and do something about it?

  • 34 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Kevy
    Disagree fully about tav, he’s awful mate, hardly a youngster any more and shown no signs of even threatening the bench and had some extremely average loan spells in league 1, at 21 these lads are no longer kids, like you said look at arsenal, he’d of been moved on by now

  • 35 Transfer Sage // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    tads

    I’ve spoken to the MAOC group, got back to me pretty quickly (couple hours) and even managed to guess who i posted as on here from reading my posts.

    Seem like a good group and open to ideas, they have meetings in the city, they speak to fans who want to get involved i have found.

  • 36 martoon // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Slank @6 – Good point I never thought of that :)
    Glad to see you are all paying attention now and including those 3 players in your teams ;)

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    tads

    with you on tav, at 21 lads should be in the team or at least a set member of the squad.

    dummet looks a good prospect, sammy is working harder but still needs more quality and campbell is still young so needs a good loan spell.

  • 38 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    Sage
    That’s exactly my point mate, there easy to contact, not even just MAOC but all fan groups, there not some form of class bully! They listen to what all the fans are saying, some agree, some don’t but I found they welcome all suggestions and for me there efforts should be applauded

  • 39 kevymartins // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    @Tads My point is these why waste the opportunity for these youngsters for people like obertan/gosling. Imo we ruin young players by not playing them remember the hype about vuckic barca were apparently interested in him an everything he came to newcastle bearly got a game and just faded out. Most top teams that are know for bringing through youngsters give them playing time build a lot of hype around them, get there confidence hitting the ruff and work with them, Example I can see this guy Sonogo for Arsenal getting a lot of playing time and turned into a beast same with that we Belgium winger for Man u.

  • 40 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Sage
    Agree, at 21/22 you should be featuring in some shape or form, I’m not saying they should be the finished article by then but should certainly be showing signs or should be being utilised by the manager
    Tav ticks none of those boxes for me

  • 41 kevymartins // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Look at Bale played complete sh!t for spurs in his first like 20 games, didn’t even score once or anything, But he got his playing time and went on to become one of the best in the world.

  • 42 theartfuldodger // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    TADS,
    I meant Ashley is slowly getting the formula to sustain his advertising,slowly making and drawing profits for the many years without investing much. Just as he likes it.
    Play weak teams in cups,make bargain buys and just survive thereby sacrificing ambition.

  • 43 Transfer Sage // Sep 25, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    kevy

    bale is an extreme example but i get your point

    too often we use hopeless fringe players like obertan when we could be giving a kid a go, i dont think chucking 6/7 in one game is the answer but certainly they need more playing time not just wait til in their 20s like we do now

  • 44 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Kevy
    Surely though that’s where the loan system should be coming into play for us more?
    We’re not failing them by not having a “cup team” were failing them by keeping them at the club
    They won’t learn anything by going out to face a professional team whilst playing in a team with no senior pros in it
    Arsenal loan loads of the youngsters out, in cups they play a mix of squad and academy players
    Vuckic, c’mon mate you can’t blame the club for not playing him he’s been on the treatment table for the best part of 3 years!!!

  • 45 MacToon // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    I believe as no march has 100% go ahead at the moment the suggestion of SoS having so many people marching with Toon fans as a little premature maybe even misinformed.
    SoS however is a blueprint worth noting as they not only effectivly helped change ownership at Anfield but continue to protest on the fan’s behalf and generally very succesfully.

  • 46 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Kevy
    But yeah agree on obertan, shouldn’t be any where near the team
    Gosling was showing some signs pre season, but then again he was in the shop window do who knows!

    Artful dodger
    So basically he’s getting the formula to have us merely treading water whilst he saves up for the sports direct blimp to float above SJP on matchday!
    Yippee

  • 47 kevymartins // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    @Tads True poor guy finally get’s his chance and breaks his finger haha always something with Vuckic.

  • 48 MacToon // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    I see the Trust’s reaction, to their SJP visit as part of the Fans Forum, seems a little cynical to say the least.
    Most depressing quote for me atleast:
    “Mike Ashley has no real intention, desire or ambition to sell the Club”

  • 49 Ibizatoon // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Mac….But no mention of his intention, desire or ambition FOR the club?

    Funny that.

  • 50 theartfuldodger // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    Play sammy dummett etc against teams like hull or cardiff or others depending upon the opponents quality in that position.
    (First teamers took things for granted)

    Keep the bigger boys for top and midtable sides.

    That should give players like dummett atleast 8 premier league games this season + a few cup games + games due to injuries.
    Next season give him 15 or so PL games.

  • 51 Nufc-83 // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    Kevy i think the points i was getting at have pretty much been posted by others so no point in going over it again. The simple difference between the Arsenal youngsters you mentioned and ours is the quality. You send Good and Mbabu to Arsenal and expect them to get plenty of game time it just wont happen. We need to play the youngsters who are close to the first team with experienced players and that’s the way they will learn.

  • 52 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    MacToon
    Shouldn’t you be busy finishing up your latest photoshopped project ;)

  • 53 Slank // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    MacToon @ 48

    It may be depressing but at least we now know he is here for the long term or presumably until somebody buys him out.

  • 54 Nufc-83 // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    theartfuldodger // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    Play sammy dummett etc against teams like hull or cardiff or others depending upon the opponents quality in that position.
    (First teamers took things for granted)

    Keep the bigger boys for top and midtable sides.

    That should give players like dummett atleast 8 premier league games this season + a few cup games + games due to injuries.
    Next season give him 15 or so PL games.

    This guy must be trolling here??? We cant even beat them with our 1st teamers why would we drop them we got beat by hull for christs sake. If dummet is good enough to make the position his own great but dont drop people to save for injuries when facing top teams its the teams below we need to beat ffs.

  • 55 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    Ibiza
    He has ambition in bucket loads, shut up if you don’t know what your talking about
    He has lots of plans, the club shop should hopefully be re fitted as a sports direct shop by the end of the season and he’s putting a maccy D’s next to the 9 bar
    No ambition pfffttttt

  • 56 Ibizatoon // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Tads…Well, if I had known that I wouldn’t have commented!

    Who knows, with some time, the SJP SD store may be the most successful one in the land…I’m giddy with excitement now.

  • 57 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 25, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    TS

    I have no problem with the protest as such. The message seems to be a lot more positive than the message that organisations like MAOC were going to put out. But I don’t think Liverpool fans should be involved. I don’t think it means anything to be honest and if they truly are going to have 5,000 fans on the march, then it’s going to be embarrassing if we get less numbers than them…




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