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Manager Hopes Newcastle Striker Will Do His Job

9:34 am, Thursday, September 26th, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 169 Comments

Papiss  Cisse scored his first goal in 11 appearances for Newcastle last night, and after missing a chance early on in the game he was set up brilliantly by Sammy Ameobi after 31 minutes, and the Senegal striker headed home in style.

papiss cisse after scoring

Papiss Cisse – after scoring first goal of the season last night

One reason we think Alan Pardew started Cisse in the game last night, was that so he could break his duck for the season, and the manager thinks it will only do Papiss good,  that he finally got on the scoring trail:

“The goals can settle a player down and hopefully it will. He’s not been as powerful as he should have been.”  “I think all strikers when they’re not scoring feel like they haven’t done their job.”

“He’s always disappointed if he hasn’t scored and that was an important goal. How important, we’ll have to wait and see.”  “They were two fantastic goal, both made by Sammy Ameobi”. ” Gouff’s goal was as good as I have seen at that end.”

“It was a great game and I was very impressed with both sets of supporters. “

We’ll see if Cisse can push on from here, and no doubt Alan is hoping Papiss can do that – but it’s not certain of course.

It would be good if the 28 year-old  can also get among the goals next Monday night at Everton, and certainly Alan Pardew will now have some selection posers for that game.

The Leeds United supporters did their club proud last night,  and they sang their heads off all game, and it seemed a great atmosphere at St. James’ Park.

Leeds United are currently 11th in the Championship this season, but they belong in the Premier League, and the sooner they can make the jump to the top tier in English football the better.

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169 responses so far ↓

  • 1 ArtyH // Sep 26, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    Yeh, good article.

  • 2 G // Sep 26, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    I’m hoping that goal does the trick for Cisse, he seems to be a confidence player, and his confidence has looked shaky at best this season. With a bit of luck, that goal will have settled him a bit and floodgates will open now.

  • 3 Spotlight Kid // Sep 26, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    Leeds are 13th not 11th, Ed. No good overstating their abilities to make our performance look better. They were mediocre but we were the better side on the night – no more, no less.

    Sadly Leeds will not back to St James’ any time soon unless we draw them in the FA Cup, or get r******d.

  • 4 martoon // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:01 AM

    There is an old expression that “you can only beat what is in front of you”. We did that OK with only a couple of scares at the back. Imagine this Blog if we hadn’t won! Anybody think their tall striker Smith and young lad in midfield (I’ve forgotten his name) worth a punt in January?

  • 5 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    Last night was a good win, think we played much better and looked a bit more joined up, granted it was only leeds but still our team looked more settled.

    The only down side for me was debuchy, hate to sound overly critical, but the guy struggled all night against a championship winger…he did well going forward but defensively he looked lost again.

    Positives were dummet and sammy, both did a good job, dummett solid in defense (beat a few time but happens to everyone) and sammy did well, started getting his head up more than he has before.

    Gouffran was the biggest plus, looked good in the central striking role when cisse when off. He not only got a goal but managed to hold the ball up and lay it off nicely.

  • 6 G // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:04 AM

    Young lad in midfield? Mowatt? Looked ok, but nothing special..

  • 7 G // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    I can’t see Matt Smith ever playing the Prem if I’m honest Martoon. A move to a Championship club was a bit of a surprise to him as well as Leeds fans.

  • 8 Wiz // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM

    Of course we are playing people like Gouffran and Sammy Ameobi, as well as less capable reinforcements such as Williamson, because we are giving more senior players a rest. It is reassuring they can step up to the plate against poor sides like Leeds. What is less clear is whether Pardew will try harder against Manchester City. Or is that when our policy in the cups (‘not a priority’ according to John Irving, our financial controller) kicks in and we put out the same kind of inferior side?

  • 9 GenralHez // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    There is no point in keeping players who cannot cut it in the Premiership, i.e. Williamson and Obertran, get rid and free up some wages.

    Well done Sammy, Gouffran and Dummett; keep up the good work.

    Cisse, one goal does not make a season but well done anyway, keep your belief and more will follow.

  • 10 toon kk // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    Great to get a win but lets not get carried away it was Leeds a bottom half team in the championship.

  • 11 Nufc-83 // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    I think that lad Smith would be a handful for any cb in the league he looked so strong. He looks young enough (not sure how old) in that he has time to develop his all round game and he should have hit the target with a few headers last night but overall he looks to have potential.

  • 12 Blofal // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Against Man City we will no doubt have to play Mbiwa instead of Willo. But for sure we should play Dummet and Sammy.

    To date Dummet has not shown to be any worse than both Santon or Debuchy in defence and Sammy has taken every opportunity given to him so far.. Both him and Sammy have got us into the next round and they deserve to keep going.

    Replace Cisse with Remy, Marveaux with Cabaye and Willo for Mbiwa and that team is a team that would give a good account of themselves.

    I wouldn’t personally start Ben Arfa against Man City as he gives up possession too often and thats too much of a risk given their players. Better off subbing him on later and letting him run at tired defenders.

  • 13 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    My take on last nights match
    I quite liked the midfield of Tiote Anita and Marvo last night.
    With Tiote and Anita playing a more holding midfield role it allowed Marvo to be the play maker – Don’t know if it would work in Premier.
    I was more impressed with the Dummett, Sammi link up down the left – set up the first goal with two first time balls lightning quick move strike. But when Dummett went forward Sammi came back and acted as the full back which we failed to do on Saturday.

    Maybe HBA could learn from Sammi .

    Also mention for ‘Iron Mike’ stepped in last night and played well kept it simple and was also available for a pass out from Krul.

    Who does Pardew start upfront as I thought Goufran had another good game and capped it off with a very good goal.

    Krul has GOT to work on his distribution poor again last night

    Good atmosphere last night made by the Leeds fans who were outstanding in their support.

    And nice minutes applause on the 11th minute for Garry Speed.

  • 14 G // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Nufc-83, Smith is 24 and has spent most of his career with Oldham, or non-league. His goalscoring records down there are not exactly fantastic either.

  • 15 SeanNufc87 // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Think our only hope against city is how poorly they defend without kompany, and hopefully pelagrini will see this cup as a non entity and rest him.

    Then we only have to worry about dzeko, negrado… nasri… milner… garcia *sigh* oh balls.

  • 16 gaz 44 // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Charlie thought mike had a good game but as soon as I said to my dad sat at the side ‘Williamson has hardly put a foot wrong’ he totally mid kicked the ball in our own area lol, against a good prem team he’s a liability..
    Sammy man of match first half for me with Marv doing it in the second. Both impressed me as I’m not a fan of either..

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    charlie

    good summary there…willo looked a bit shakey at time but first real game for months so understandable.

  • 18 VanToonMan // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Spotlight Kid // Sep 26, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    Leeds are 13th not 11th, Ed. No good overstating their abilities to make our performance look better. They were mediocre but we were the better side on the night – no more, no less.

    Sadly Leeds will not back to St James’ any time soon unless we draw them in the FA Cup, or get r******d.

    Spotlight LOL I really don’t think Ed intentionally said 11th instead of 13th in order to make our performance look better. If he wanted to overstate their abilities with that intention he would have chosen a higher position – 11th and 13th in the Championship is hardly much of a difference.

    Jeeeez some people on here are so negative and try and be too smart for their own good!

    I think it’s time for all those negative fans to leave this blog and everything newcastle united because the truth is we could win at Goodison Park on Monday and they would still complain. – Might as well relinquish everything Newcastle United and come back when they think something is actually good – whether that be in months or years time…or never

  • 19 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Gaz
    TransferSage

    Cheers lads

  • 20 gaz 44 // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Need to get level 7 corner back, Leeds fans were brilliant out sang us for the full 90, I miss the atmosphere it used to create when we had the choir up there

  • 21 fatman // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    VanToonMan

    you want negative fans to leave the blog just like you have left reality, never mind go in the corner and have a good cry, sure to make you fell better.

  • 22 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    To me the outstanding aspects of our game yesterday was the way the lads kept the ball, the patience and the passing instead of the ever hopeful panic hoof the ball up the pack tactic.

    Also, the left side. What a difference it makes when the left back and the left winger both have left feet. It gives the team a natural balance. Unfortunately I don’t see Sammy and Dummitt ousting Remy and Santon. But a nice problem for Pardew.

  • 23 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Daft idea – maybe
    In away games if toon winning or drawing and home team pressing.
    Bring on Obertan.
    Reason got pace to burn and long ball or chip ahead as last night when Gosling fed him could sneak a goal.

    Pity he missed both chances last night.

    Also looking at last night. Marvo maybe be a bit more selfish and shoot – had a couple of chances last night to shoot but was looking for the pass

  • 24 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    park tactic

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    charlie

    obertan did so well with the run, control and getting the chance….he needs to watch players like pedro, ronaldo, sanchez etc who get there and just drill it home….not watch the likes of walcott who more often than not tamely tap it down the middle at the keeper.

  • 26 NEoffers.co.uk // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    With Newcastle not playing this weekend, get your weekend plans here.
    http://neoffers.co.uk/

  • 27 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Charlie,

    When I saw Obertan bearing down on their keeper and moving to his left and drawing the keeper the same way I yelled at him to slip it to the right (the keepers left), even a toe poke would do but alas no.

    He is not a natural finisher I’m afraid unlike Goofy who is. Goofy has all the instincts of a finisher. Very similar to Remy who knows where the goal is.

  • 28 dcdick // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    It should have been a far more comprehensive victory last night
    And for that reason ………….

    Pardew out !!!

  • 29 North Atlantic Magpie // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    I really hope Pardew starts Gouffran ahead of Cisse on monday night. Cisse won’t score against a premier league team. Cisse cannot pass the ball. He cannot play a part in the build up play. He’s hopeless.

  • 30 Coach // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Slank
    As a slightly off beat addition to your point about left footed players on the left, how about Santon wide on the right where he can cross without always cutting in on his right foot.

    He will also provide excellent cover for Debuchy who gets no support at all on the right. Against Hull, they clearly attacked that wing and Pardew did nothing to counter the tactic, he was completely out thought by Bruce. Other teams will have noted what happened so expect more of the same.

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    north atlantic

    I wouldn’t write cisse off altogether, he is just in a very bad spell of form and doesn’t seem able to told the ball up or lay it off. He scored in a variety of league, including the prem but he doesn’t seem to be right anymore.

    I’d prefer remy or gouff in the middle with the other in the left.

  • 32 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Any fan who wants to comment on the club (as opposed to the team) needs to have read this, otherwise your comment just doesn’t count: http://www.nust.org.uk/images/stories/fansforum/nufc_fans_forum_minutes_sep_13.pdf

    I know some people think I talk a lot of sense, others just disagree with me and there are some idiots who are so far gone that they can’t see the wood for the trees. For what it’s worth, here’s my take.
    – the financial prudence makes perfect sense to me
    – it’s interesting that MA makes a difference between the £29M short-term loan (£18M outstanding) and the £111 long-term loan. It’s also interesting that MA has deferred the repayment of the £18M which surely gives us room to maneuver in the transfer market this season
    – £58M debt on the stadium plus £29M debt on player transfers signed before MA took over is a lot of debt
    – I can understand MA hiring JFK because he knows him and trusts him but I still think he’s the wrong man for the ob. But MA operates like that.
    – Ok, loan signings weren’t made because we were planning to fill our 1/2 slots in the squad with permanent transfers that didn’t happen Doesn’t justify not being in for Lukaku
    – How is JFK not responsible for no transfers in? If Gomis etc. had extenuating circumstances, a good DoF should have back-up plans (i.e. Lukaku on loan)
    – agree that there are stupid nasty rumours about JFK though. Those don’t help the club.
    – VERY disappointed that the club are stating that they will put PL performance ahead of cup success. But at least they are honest and I reckon most clubs are the same.
    – Mention of Category 1 status but no confirmation that we are. Anyone seen anything?
    – I really think the Sports Direct advertising is chicken feed. People shouldn’t be bothered about that.
    – Confirmed exactly what I said that the TV deal benefited some clubs more than us. But those clubs are at more risk of implosion than us.

    Overall I think it’s pretty good and at least we have some answers about where the club is and where it’s going. Most of their decisions make sense, they just could have communicated the reasons a little better.

    Biggest disappointment for me is definitely the attitude to the cups. I’d rather we finished 17th and won a trophy than finished 7th and won nothing. I think most fans would agree.

  • 33 North Atlantic Magpie // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Obertan missed great opportunities but he created a lot more than Cisse with his runs. Obertan for Cisse on any day.

  • 34 Assam Toon // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    next up man city….and our priority is not the cup…that is very scary indeed. if our first team loses 4-0, what will the fringe players do? the record defeat in league cup is 10-0 by the way. man city on the other hand doesn’t seem to have a weaker side these days.

  • 35 Assam Toon // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    the club said at nust meet that they bought in january because they predicted that the market will see inflation due to all the TV money…they were right, almost everybody overpaid on someone or the other this summer. that’s super business skills, but the real reason for the january shopping was the slump in our form, wasn’t it?

  • 36 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    TDS

    I disagree on lukaku…we had no chance with him.

    He wanted west brom but chelsea wanted him to go to everton, a club which finished 6th and have a chance to kick on and get first team footballl (not nailed on with us…although he would walk into our 11 pardew would pick cisse)

  • 37 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    TDS

    ‘Biggest disappointment for me is definitely the attitude to the cups. ‘

    Sods law says we will now do well or better than we have done in recent years (no mean feet).

  • 38 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    They are answers but the striking lack of ambition to win a trophy (seeing as we wont win the league) leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

    1. because i want to see us lift a trophy

    but mainly

    2. the owner is directing the manager on what team he should be putting out in cups

  • 39 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    TS

    I think the question is, did we go in for him?

    At Everton surely it’s him or Jelavic? I’d be surprised if they will play them both together too often. Gomis is a similar player to Lukaku, so would he have been willing to join us as a squad player?

  • 40 Spotlight Kid // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    VanToon@18

    I was being, err, sardonic about Leeds’ lowly position to emphasise the inescapable fact that we were playing a mediocre mid-table Championship club, and while our performance was satisfactory (the ball was being played on the deck which was good to see) it was far from 100% convincing (especially defensively).

    If AP can repeat this result against Citeh, I will be the first on here to give credit. Meanwhile, I suggest, it’s the Hull result which you should be more concerned about.

  • 41 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Transfer Sage

    I think we like so many other clubs never thought that Lukaku would go out on loan again. Most people regarded him as Chelsea’s best striker, and therefore didn’t push or didn’t push enough to get him.

  • 42 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Doing better than in recent years in the cups? Not exactly hard to improve upon our FA Cup for where we got beat by Brighton 2 year running, and Stevenage the year before that.

    But we have defeated mighty teams in the League Cup, such as Scunthorpe, Nottingham Forest, Morecambe et al. People are surprised we’e not targeting a cup? Disappointed, yes. Angry, most definitely. But surprised? We’ve had 6 years of Mike Ashley. Did you really think he wants to win a trophy that has no discernible financial value for him, and could potentially see our thin squad stretched to the point that our league form suffers?

    There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

  • 43 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Slank

    I hope that if we get to the quarters of either cup then the club takes it really seriously as we’ll be so close to actually winning something! That would be a massive boost to the club! Just to beat Man City, then another club, then another club…hmmm…nice dream…

  • 44 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Transfer Sage @ 38

    Are you absolutely certain that the owner selects the team and not Pardew or are you just making it up?

  • 45 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    TS

    It was a decent team yesterday though. I was pleasantly surprised we had as many first team players and still had Ben Arfa available on the bench. Perfect result.

    The owner wanted to ensure we stay in the PL. I reckon if we’re doing well in the league, it should make them relax a little more about the cups.

  • 46 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    TDS

    Gomis is a very average player in the french league so would be lucky to be a prem squad player.

    Also the lukaku deal happened very last minute, making me think they will have knocked back a lot of offers to loan him earlier. It seems to me they decided right at the end the 3 forwards they have were enough and then they plucked out a club where they thought he’d benefit the most and offered him to them.

  • 47 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    ToonDarnSarf @ 42

    I fancy us against Man City.

    Last night there was a nice mixture of regulars from the first eleven and some from the second eleven.

    Against Man City I doubt that there will be so many from the second eleven.

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    salnk

    Just going off what’s said, if the clubs ambition is to only take the league seriously and see cups as an inconvenience surely that wont come from Pardew? Is that the owner making the decision, not wanting to have to build up the squad more?

    it’s just a thought, not saying ashley picks the 11, just maybe pressures pardew to rest a few key men.

  • 49 Spotlight Kid // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    Sage

    If AP fails to put out a full strength side against Citeh then I think your suspicions would be proven beyond reasonable doubt. The League Cup is eminently winnable for any team in the top two tiers. Home draw is the key to success – so why not simply go for it when you have that advantage?

  • 50 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    TS

    Maybe you’re right about Gomis. I wasn’t exactly sold on him either and it reinforces the club’s view that the transfer market was inflated for English clubs. Maybe we’ll find a striker available in Jan to snap up…

    I just think we should have registered out interest in Lukaku in case Chelsea wanted to loan him out and the Gomis deal didn’t go through. If he chose Everton or Chelsea chose Everton then no shame in that and no harm done in trying.

  • 51 martoon // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    G @7 – You could be right about Smith the lad I was thinking of was Ross McCormack he was a thorn in our side all game.

  • 52 Nufc-83 // Sep 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Slank i would think all clubs would have contacts and inside knowledge about Lukaku being available. Then again can JFK pick up the phone to mourinho?

  • 53 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    I’m not stopping on here but please make sure everyone reads those minutes if they want to comment on the running of the club. It’s predictably (and somewhat sadly) all very sensible…

  • 54 ArtyH // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Just my humble opinion, Meggamind is a sprinter and is obviously very fast, he should coach/train with Sammy as they are both wingers and could learn from each other at speed drills. Sammy needs pace, he will no doubt grow in his position and has quick feet. I think Meggamind could do with some shooting practice and stay behind like Sammy did/does to sharpen his skills, there is no question he can get past a defender speed wise, its just whether he takes the ball with him that counts, then can he beat the keeper?

  • 55 martoon // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    I’ve just realised the City match is sandwiched between the mackems and Chelsea at home so I’m not sure what team Pardew will play?

  • 56 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Transfer

    Yes, I believe Ashley sets the agenda but I do believe he is right on the league being the priority as that is where the money is, the prestige and the exposure of brand NUFC.

    It’s an interesting and difficult question as to whether a cup trophy is suitable compensation for relegation. I wonder what the fans of Portsmouth and Wigan would say.

  • 57 theartfuldodger // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    That means even if we get into Europa , we will play our second string and make no furthur investment.

    Obertan does offer a different option with his pace.Not sure when to use that option

  • 58 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Nufc-83 @ 51

    I agree with what someone said earlier that they think this was a last minute deal. It certainly surprised most of the pundits who thought that Lukaku was top of the striker pecking order at Chelsea.

    Anyway, what’s gone is gone.

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    slank

    I don’t care about brand NUFC or a few million prize money…i care about seeing my team winning things, something an owner should want too.

    What has boosted the “brand” of swansea more? an 8th placed league finish or winning a cup and getting into europe?

  • 60 Spotlight Kid // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    Slank@55

    Did Swansea’s financial stock go up or down after winning the League Cup?

    Clue – they are now in the European stage struttin’ their stuff and promoting the ‘brand’, and are seen as ‘trophy winners’. That must be good for long term world marketing, surely?

  • 61 Spotlight Kid // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    TS@58

    You beat me to it ha ha – great minds and all that….

  • 62 G // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Mccormack was highly rated a good while back, with many on this blog screaming we should sign him from Motherwell. He went to Cardiff, and whilst he didn’t do himself any harm, he didn’t exactly set the world on fire either. I think he is a champo player, but physically, he is very good indeed.

  • 63 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    slank

    but a cup run doesn’t have to mean relegation…a lot of teams make the final of a cup and don’t get relegated. We aren’t a wigan or birmingham with only a small squad of 11 then the rest make up the numbers….we have enough to sensibly rotate.

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    spotlight

    haha yeh, it’s certainly worth noting cup wins are what gets you notoriety…as well as playing in europe. A finished from 7-17th goes vastly unnoticed outside the country.

  • 65 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Slank,
    Does every club that win a trophy get relegated or are you just using that as an example to back up your support of Mike Ashley and his constant lowering of our expectations.

  • 66 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    TDsarf,
    You have repeatedly tried to say that the club were never proved to be liars, in a statement read out after the court case this has been shown not to be the case as has been highlighted on this blog many times, ”The Club admitted to the Tribunal that it repeatedly and intentionally misled the press, public and the fans of Newcastle United’, you will probably defend this by saying the ungrateful Geordie slobs need to be lied to, to keep their expectations under control.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1217791/Kevin-Keegan-gets-revenge-Newcastle-legend-wins-2m-blows-lid-secrets-lies-clubs-transfer-dealings.html

  • 67 theartfuldodger // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    The more these meetings take place,the more “Conflicts Of Interest” will become clear.
    Football fans vs businessman Ashley.

    I believe Pardew has been severely reprimanded for giving Europa a go.

  • 68 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    I don’t know if Ashley is picking the team as such….more that ashley has maybe told pardew that a cup run is no excuse for a poor league campaign and if he cant do both just give up on the cup or lose his job.

    It’s all speculation and negative, but just a theory going off the comments from them meeting posted above.

  • 69 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    JfA

    And I said I didn’t think that was the case, but nobody could offer me the proof it was.

    Then you send a link to an article that does not contain that quote you listed and when I Google that quote I find: “The oft quoted statement (5.2 The Club admitted to the Tribunal that it repeatedly and intentionally misled the press, public and the fans of Newcastle United).
    is from KK’s legal team’s statement NOT the tribunal itself as it has been portrayed in the press and seems to be believed by many.”

    Yet another example of “facts” being spread around that aren’t facts. Can you find any proof that the tribunal decided that please?

  • 70 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Mike Ashley has no desire, intent, or ambition to …………. !
    Blankety blank, Blankety blank, Blankety blank.

  • 71 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    TDS

    The fact that keegan was awarded 2mil for constructive dismissal shows that at some stage the club did deliberately make his position there untenable.

  • 72 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    TDsarf,
    The link I sent you is from Keegans statement, that one just happened to be from the daily mail, it was in every other tabloid and broadsheet at the time, are you now saying that KK would have been able to release a statement to the national press that contained false information after he had just taken Mashley to court, had that statement have been false, Ashleys lawyers would have been all over him like a rash.

  • 73 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    TDsarf,
    They admitted it to the tribunal, if someone says, yes, we lied, why would I then have to decide whether they did or not.

  • 74 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/6254527/Kevin-Keegan-awarded-2m-in-damages-statement-in-full.html

  • 75 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    TS

    The court case ruled for constructive dismissal, that despite it not being explicit in his contract, KK could reasonably assume that he would be in charge of signings players, based on the typical model of an English football club. That the club then appointed someone to do that job made KK’s position difficult as he was no longer in control of signings. Some managers would have dealt with it but KK is a man of principle and resigned. So, it’s constructive dismissal.

    No point of that proves that the board lied to the fans!

  • 76 daztoon // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Jail
    Don’t waste yer breath he’s so far up Ashley’s arse he’s beyond reach

  • 77 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    TDsarf,
    The board or tribunal didn’t have to prove anything, the club admitted it and continue to mislead the fans, as was shown this and last summer.

  • 78 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    TDsarf,
    Lying to and misleading the fans isn’t a breach of contract where as the issues that won KK the case were, none the less the club felt compelled to admit they mislead the fans.

  • 79 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    JfA

    Interesting. But the word used again is “misled”.

    So what happened is:
    – KK signed a contract with no mention of final say on transfers
    – DW was then brought in for that role and KK was unhappy with this

    Here’s what I don’t get…didn’t DW say that KK had final say on transfers? Yet KK is saying that the club said that he didn’t? Clearly he didn’t.

    There could be no legal action regarding the statement “The Club admitted to the Tribunal that it repeatedly and intentionally misled the press, public and the fans of Newcastle United.” because it’s so vague, isolated and open to interpretation.

  • 80 Quasimodo's tailor // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    Can someone please change the record. Have we not all had enough of these children and the “my dick’s bigger than your’s arguments”?
    Why don’t we talk about something positive, like the dilemma Pardew is going to have choosing who to play down our left side. The much heralded Santon , in my opinion, is not worthy of his place. And when Haidara is fit again, the problem will be compounded. Also, how are we going to cope with teams who have height up front? Mbiwa and Collo will struggle.

  • 81 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    JfA

    You are so far gone to hate Ashley that you can’t even look at things with a neutral eye. Yes, the club was found guilty for constructive dismissal, that is all!

    You’re talking out of your backside about the club misleading the fans last summer too. What are you on about? The manager wanted to sign some players, they went in for a few but couldn’t get the deals they wanted so they ended up just with Anita and giving the kids a go. Mistake sure. But not a lie.

    If you are so far on one side of the fence then you see “We are hoping to sign 2 or 3 players” as a lie when it doesn’t happen!

  • 82 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Quasimodo’s tailor

    I’m all for that. But people really need to read the minutes from the Fans Forum if they want to understand more about the club. They have just been released so I posted a link on here.

  • 83 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Mislead = to intentionally decieve.

  • 84 Offkey // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    TDS – You are forgetting the public statements made to fans which were lies and the club admitted that e.g. KK has the final say. The tribunal stated that this was just ‘storing up trouble for the future’.

  • 85 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    JfA

    You (and people of similar beliefs) will simply never win your battle against Ashley unless you learn to respect him for who he is and the achievements he’s made and understand what drives him. You simply can’t beat him without doing that and it’s a hard enough battle to start with.

    People talk about protests working a Everton. They had a chairman with a good relationship with the fans and the fans simply demanded that they wanted more. The chairman then came out and said that he’d love to do more but he simply didn’t have the money and neither did the club. So he’d sell up if someone offered the right price and could take the club forward.

    The fans protesting do not have that relationship with Ashley, he is not the kind of owner to care when people slag him off and the message from many will be demanding him to leave rather than demanding he does better. It won’t work.

  • 86 fatman // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    ToonDarnSarf @32
    the sd advertising should be seen as what it is and that its equivalent to Ashley pulling out £20mpa, i don’t have a problem with it, as long as people don’t keep bleating on about what he puts in, and gets nothing back. and his financial stability was only reached after he had took the debt from £86m up to £140. by his own admissions he made mistakes, i don’t see that as a problem its always easier when you look back on it. Kinnear was as big a mistake as any other hes made, the last person i would trust with such an important job, a person that left school without any qualifications. saying all that i don’t hate the bloke as i do except he has done somethings well under the circumstances, my big problem with him is his treatment of Keegan & Shearer. Ashley needs to realize the fans are loyal in more ways than one, we stick by them because of what they did, if Ashley delivers someday fans will forget the past and maybe Ashley might join the club. he cant buy his way into it, you only get their if you deserve it.
    i have posted many times about what an owner could gain by running the club correctly, they could be the next Keegan, Shearer or Millburn, but it will never happen with Ashley until he understands why the likes of the idols got the position they hold now because they also know the honor they have been bestowed.

  • 87 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Offkey

    What public statements though? I’m not arguing that they don’t exist, but I don’t recall all of them.

    I kind of recall DW saying that KK had the final say in who they signed and I daresay that in most cases he would. But in the case of Gonzalez, clearly KK didn’t want him and others overruled him to do a favour to South American agents.

    Some managers would have thought this wasn’t a big deal because it’s just one player but KK has big principles and couldn’t hack it.

  • 88 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    TDsarf,
    I’m not talking out of my backside, Pardew said with gusto back in April of 2102, that we would be bringing in four foirst team players during the summer, five, if a player of note was sold, I have posted a link in the past to the very interview, awhile laterwhen the wheels fell off the club admitted that they thought they had enough in the tank for a top half finish and it was decided not to bring in anymore players, somebody isn’t telling the truth or intentionally deceiving us.
    Thankyou.

  • 89 Coach // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Quasimodo
    At least you tried.

  • 90 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    fatman

    The SD advertising is worth nowhere near £20M pa though! Commercial revenue was £13M last year apparently. Advertising on the stadium is really not worth that much and nowhere near the shirt sponsorship.

    You’re dead right about KK and Shearer though and it’s really sad. Ashley made a huge mistake in not realising the connection that the fans have to their idols. But that’s Ashley sadly. He’s an arrogant pr*ck who wanted to ensure that he was the main man. He should have taken some careful advice by someone close to the club (someone like KK, Shearer, Beardsley etc.) who could help him understand the subtle balance that he needed to find to keep the fans happy while keeping the business side successful.

    KK should never have been appointed for several reasons, neither should Shearer for some similar reasons and neither should JFK for completely different reasons.

    Sadly, once KK went and the fans made death threats again MA, it all went horribly wrong. I wish more people could look forward rather than backward…we actually have a good team!

  • 91 Offkey // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    In a report in the Times of 29 January 2008, which Mr Charnley confirmed as having been accurate, it was stated that “Wise and Vetere will make the initial assessment before calling in Jimenez to do the deal, though Newcastle insist that Keegan will have the final say”.

    Two days later, on 31 January 2008, Mr Wise gave an interview in the Chairman’s office at the Club which was intended to be and was published on the Club’s website (and reported in the national Press) on the following day.

    In the course of that interview he stated: “I’m not here to be involved in the first team. I am not here to manage. I am here to help Kevin as much as possible in bringing young players through and also recommending certain players to him and he’ll say yes and no.

    “He has the final word and then no one else. I’m not gonna do things like bring players in behind his back. I’m not into that and everything that happens will be run past him and he’ll say yes, as I say, or he’ll say no”.

    24. Two days later, in the Club programme for 3 February 2008, the website interview was included with the headline: “Dennis Wise “I’m here to help Kevin – he has the final word””

    25. On 23 February 2008, Mr Mort gave an interview with “The Mag” (published independently by the Club’s supporters) in which he stated: “Everything that sits below Kevin, everything associated with the first team is his responsibility … Dennis and Jeff will help identify players and Kevin will then say yes or no”.

    26. The Club’s explanation for these statements, which, on their case, were simply untrue, was that they were nothing more than an exercise in public relations carried out so as not to undermine Mr Keegan’s position and made necessary, in the first place, by statements made by Mr Keegan himself to the press.

  • 92 Quasimodo's tailor // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    @Fatman. Be careful. Just because someone leaves school without any qualifications doesn’t mean they can’t hack a big job. Industry and commerce are littered with people running them who fall into that category.

  • 93 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    JfA

    July 2012

    Pardew said: “I know we can sign two or three ­players and keep all those we have. I know we can do that. I think we will be stronger.

    “And if we do lose a ­marquee player to a ­really inflated price – an Andy Carroll price – then we have got to trust our ­judgment and go into the market place and bring in an equivalent, and I think Mike is quite comfortable with that.”

    He says “we can” NOT “we will”. Not a lie!

  • 94 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    TDsarf,
    I think the issues went way beyond Nacho Gonggoolies, it was the very way KK was sold the job which Ashley had no intention of carrying out, some people will argue about his soccer circus and debt, was it the huge wages and corrugated shed that brought him here as a player in the early eighties when he could have gone to prtetty much any team in the world.

  • 95 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    TDS

    I don’t think advertising is worth near 20mil either…but is it worth less than shirt sponsorship of 6mil? i’d love to know what other clubs bring in for stadium advertising.

  • 96 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    TDS

    not really a lie saying we want to/will try to sign players…all clubs say that.

    the problem is we keep saying these things around the time season tickets are up for renewal then we always just miss out.

    They are either lie or are terrible at selecting targets within our budget and getting them.

  • 97 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    TDsarf,
    Ha ha ha, you gullible or ignorant fool, it went from four possibly five in April to the three you quoted in July,finally finishing with one over the line as he got constantly undermined as the summer went on, even when Ryan Taylor got scuppered he said we’d need to bring somebody in only to back track the very next day.

  • 98 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Back from lunch.

    What I should have said (low blood sugar my excuse) is that the league must take precedent over domestic cups but not exclusively. The cups shouldn’t weaken our league position and our ability to avoid relegation.

    We are never going to win the league. However, we can win a cup but we can also get relegated as we have recently shown even without a good cup run.

    So there is a fine balancing act to be performed.

  • 99 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Offkey

    Thanks. Interesting!

    So, it seems that the club were naïve in thinking that they could hire DW to be in charge of transfers without being in breach of contract with KK. That was stupid. Surely they should have consulted with a lawyer experienced in football manager contracts who could have told them that unless their contract with KK explicitly stated that he would not have final say on transfers then he could assume he would.

    So it would indicate that the club may have never intended for KK to have the final say but that KK had every right to assume that he did.

    So it’s a mess! Most managers in the world wouldn’t have been bothered about 1 squad player being signed as a favour and loads of managers have had transfer decisions taken away from them. But typical Newcastle…we have an owner who can’t draw up a contract properly and had an honourable manager who sticks to his principles…

  • 100 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    TS

    Our total commercial revenue was £13M according to the figures. Stadium advertising is tiny when you think of the coverage. Who looks at that? The fans at the ground might notice it but even for the 50,000 fans, can they name every one of the pitchside sponsors?

  • 101 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Quasimodos tailor,
    Would you rather somebody posted a line up every 45-48 minutes as has been the case with this blog quite a lot recently

  • 102 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    TS

    Every club says it around then because it seems to be about the time that the staff are back from holiday and is also the time that the media are asking before the window hots up.

    Every club is optimistic at that stage. I hardly think it’s worth worrying about. Did we announce that we would sign 5 players in January?

  • 103 Dimitri // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    I really think Cisse’s Miss Newcastle bird is a distraction. When I was a footballer, my best form came when I was single. The minute I started fcking a bird, my form went downhill. Never good for em knees.

  • 104 toon kk // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    A lot of fans say they’re disappointed about not going for cups but the premier league survival must be a priority.
    At the end of the day is our squad strong enough to win a cup anyway?

  • 105 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    JfA

    I’m not arguing numbers here. I just posted an article that I found and pointed out that it wasn’t a lie.

    I can’t find a quote for April but I’ll bet he doesn’t commit to signing 4 or 5 players. So it’s not a lie!

    If the players say that they are going to try to win a cup but they fail, are they liars?!

  • 106 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    ‘quad player being signed as a favour ‘

    Didn’t Lady Hall once buy a player for Keegan as a favour to her husband?

    Perhaps some one can clarify?

  • 107 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    TDsarf,
    No we didn’t announce our five signings in January because we had no intentions of signing them until that comical defeat to relegated Reading and an insipid draw with Norwich.

  • 108 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    Dimitri

    Haha! You’re partially right. Definitely not good on the knees if he’s had his way just before a match!

    Funny though…I find that when I play sport, sometimes it’s good to have that extra aggression from abstinence, but other times I need a clear head so better to have had my way with the missus that morning!

  • 109 Quasimodo's tailor // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    @JFA. Read my post again. I didn’t say that. I mentioned 2 specific problem areas. I despair sometimes.

  • 110 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    toon kk

    If Swansea, Wigan and Birmingham can win a cup in recent years then you can be damn sure we could!

  • 111 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Dimitri

    Surely he can lie on his back?

  • 112 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    TDS

    Thats my issue with it, nothing announced in january, just got players in quickly as they were needed.

    In the summer when not desperate we are all talk and no action.

    Well stadium advertising is seen on TV too (otherwise why would our sports direct ads be for the french site too?) I don’t know the figures myself, just wondered what other clubs brought it for it..if the average for a club like us is 1/2mil it’s no huge deal…if it’s 5/6 well then we are getting a significant amount.

  • 113 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Slank

    I wondered what a “quad player” was for a minute! Then realised you’d just missed off the “s”…

    I don’t remember the favour signing though!

  • 114 Toon Tang // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    “Barcelona wanted the ball passed to Lionel Messi every time when it should have been passed to me, because I was the real genius”

  • 115 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Our squad probably is not strong enough to challenge for a cup as well as maintain a push for top 10.

    But what we should be asking ourselves is, why is it not strong enough? Why have we been left short changed by the owner with a squad that is incapable of competing on more than 1 front?

    The league is obviously more important financially, and our long term progress is determined by our success in the league, however, a cup is our only realistic way of ending our 45 year wait for a trophy, so why do we not have a squad capable of going for one?

    We all the answer to this question though.

  • 116 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    JfA

    So we had a poor window this summer, an excellent Jan, a very poor window last summer (we needed a centre back at least!), a decent Jan before then (Cisse) and a decent summer before then (Cabaye, Marv, Santon, Ba – Barton, Nolan, Enrique).

    Two bad summer windows with just Remy (loan) and Anita signed. But all the time our squad is getting better and the first team squad is getting bigger.

  • 117 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    TS

    But if commercial revenue is £13M in total then it really can’t be that much. I think it’s a good question though and I’d like to see that asked at the next fans forum. I couldn’t tell you one single sponsor around any of the PL grounds though other than the shirt sponsor.

  • 118 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    TDsarf,
    If a manager says we are aiming to bring in four or five players and his Chairman says we didn’t need to, we have a big enough squad,then somebody is intentionally misleading the fans.
    http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1046765/alan-pardew-eyes-?cc=5901

  • 119 toon kk // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    TDS
    I suppose you never know. I still think we’ll put out our best squad against Man City.
    The further we progress in any competition the stronger the team will be used.

  • 120 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    What a load of negative claptrap. Of course our squad is good enough to get into the top 10 and to win a cup. We only need to win 4 more games to win the League Cup, so why can’t we do that? Compare our squad man for man with any club outside of the top 6 and tell me which club is better than ours. Please, I challenge anyone who thinks so negatively about our squad to do that and tell me which squad I should look at that’s better than ours.

    And if your only comeback then is “Yes, ok we’ve got a better squad but we can’t get the best out of them because of Pardew” then please don’t bother…

  • 121 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    Our squad isn’t good enough to finish top 10 and win a cup. Our squad isn’t even good enough to finish top 10. We’ve had this discussion before and will not be having it again.

  • 122 Jail for Ashley // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Ciaran,
    Can you e mail me, you have my details on your blog.

  • 123 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    TDS

    yeh they don’t always stand out but a lot are usually airlines, EA fifa games, pro evo football games, banks, etc…that type of thing.

    I know our total revenue was 13 from commercial but could it have been 18/19/20? or could it have been 14/15? That’s the question.

    There are no figures on this for other clubs either so hard to know.

  • 124 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Jail

    I e-mailed you last night, perhaps it hasn’t come through yet. I will send it again.

  • 125 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    JfA

    You need to stop looking at these things with tinted glasses!

    Pardew said “we might need four or five to bolster the numbers” and we brought in Anita, Good, Bigi and Amafatlatino. Sure, the latter 3 weren’t seen as first team players but they bolstered the numbers. And sure, I think they should have brought in at least a first team centre back too but then they exceeded expectations in January.

    I’m not saying it was a good window, I think the lack of a centre back cost us massively, but it simply doesn’t prove that they lied!

    Manager wants more players, chairman overrules the deals unless they are excellent value for money. You think this is a rare occurrence???

  • 126 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    toon kk

    I really really hope we do! It would be a great confidence boost for the players and the fans. Let’s hope City are doing well in the league and the CL so they don’t care so much about the League Cup. :-)

  • 127 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    TDS

    I think our squad is on par with everyone outside the top 6 or better than them with the exception of everton, i think they look a good side, some good players in over the summer.

    I don’t think our squad is fantastic though, a lot of over rated players but thats the case with most teams.

  • 128 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    TS

    Agreed. Well consider all of the commercial sponsors we have. Does the £13M include Wonga?

    To give some indication, I found this:
    The pitch side advertising boards vary enormously in price depending on where they are located in the ground. Are they pitch facing or crowd facing, and more importantly, will they be in the line of the cameras if the match is televised?

    As a rough guide, Stoke City offer boards from £750 to £3,500. At Wigan it will cost you around £2,000 and at League Two Aldershot, you’ll only have to part with around £1,500.

  • 129 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    TS

    I’ll agree with you on Everton. I think we were ahead of them but then they made some excellent deals on deadline day. I still think we could edge them though depending on injuries to our goalscorers and how we do in the Jan window.

  • 130 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    Ciaran @ 114

    ‘so why do we not have a squad capable of going for one? ‘

    At first I thought that perhaps winning a cup was in part luck of the draw. But then I looked at the past 20 years of FA cup winners and they are all from the top four of the Premiership with exception of Portsmouth and Wigan, who both got relegated.

    The conclusion that can be reached (with two exceptions) is that if you cannot get to the top table in the Premiership then you are unlikely to win the FA Cup.

    This could mean that the League Cup is our only hope.

  • 131 SeanNufc87 // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    There are some people on here so blinded by their bitterness that they cant seem to see any positives, it leaves us with people desperately seeking self gratification by arguing and posting facts in a tournament of one-upmanship.

    Yes there are problems at the club, nobody is disputing that, but right now there are more positives than negatives from what I see, god bless anyone who feels so strongly for a cause that they believe in to take action in an attempt (however misguided it may end up being) to fix it, but I cant help but feel these marches and so on will do nothing other than affect the players.

    I could be wrong, I have been many times before but I honestly think thats what will happen.

  • 132 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    TDS

    Interesting…is that the boards near the edge of the seats? or the digital hoardings around the ground? We have both and the digital ones have wonga too.

    It’s not my biggest concern at all, I’m more bothered with the ‘lies’ people claim we are told.

    I think it’s at least unfair of pardew to say he wants 3/4, x, y and z and for JFK to say we will buy players to push for champs league and then for the club to only complete a single loan signing.

    Whether they are lieing or not it’s still a bit ill thought out to announce they want these knowing theres a fair chance they wont get them.

  • 133 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Ciaran @ 120

    To be more precise our squad is not good enough for the top four, perhaps not even the top 7.

    Are we better than ManU, ManC, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Everton – I don’t think so.

    9th and 10th are achievable though.

  • 134 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Slank

    I’d settle for challenging for a cup, but we are making no attempt to hide our disdain for the cup competitions and want to be out of them as soon as possible.

    Not getting to quarter finals, or semis is testament to that fact. If our squad was strong enough to challenge for a cup and maintain top 10, then why is our club telling us the exact opposite?

  • 135 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    sean

    I think they marches will be ok as long as they anger is kept out of the ground. Like you i may be wrong, something we wont know until it happends.

  • 136 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Trying to find out how any march in the city centre could, in any way, affect our players – who will be in the dressing room, oblivious to what is going on. Nope. Haven’t found it.

    As for affecting our players. Is this the great first team that so heroically got beaten at home to Hull? Don’t think the standard is so incredibly high that such fears are justified, do you?

  • 137 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    Sage that’s the crucial point. As long as the message within the ground is as positive as possible. I want to see our home fans roaring our side to victory.

    As it stands, they aren’t. Away teams are coming up to SJP and making more noise than our fans. This is embarrassing and needs to be addressed. Why is the atmosphere in SJP so bad now? What can be done to improve this?

  • 138 fatman // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Quasimodo’s tailor @ 91

    why i brought up his lack of qualifications was to highlight his lower intelligence, that we largely had a broadside of, when he gave an interview clearly drunk, as his voice was slurred, and he went on to slag off the fans and to have a retard like Kinnear say he’s more intelligent that the fans just goes to show how pathetic the bloke is, i went into further education, and gained recognized qualifications, and was a company director at the age of 20, i would never of brought my company into disrepute like that clown did.

  • 139 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    SeanNufc87

    I’m definitely not seeking “self gratification”! I have much better ways to do that!! :-)

    I get frustrated with the lies that are being spread on this site and the negativity that spread. Saying that the club said it would sign 5 players last summer and it didn’t may just be an interpretation of the words that Pardew used but it’s pretty important in my opinion. If he had said that, then it would be very very disappointing but what he really said and what really happened is very different.

    I’d rather we stop trying to pick holes in things that Pardew, Ashley or JFK has done and look at the good things with the club.

  • 140 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    “but we are making no attempt to hide our disdain for the cup competitions and want to be out of them as soon as possible.”

    Moron.

    So that is why we put out a strong team yesterday and had a good result against Leeds. If we didn’t want to win it then why didn’t we play an entire reserve team?

    Moron.

  • 141 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    Ciaran @ 133

    If you look at the recent historical facts / stats we are not going to win the league (which we both agree) and we are not going to win the FA Cup.

    Our only opportunity (other than the Northumbrian Cup where we are hot favourites) is the Capital One Cup which we should go for.

    Whilst I know it may be heresy to some but our approach to the FA cup should be dependent upon where we are in the league.

  • 142 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    TS

    I don’t think JFK said we would buy players to push for the CL though, certainly not for this season. I think he said something along the lines that his role was to bring in players so that we were able to challenge for the CL in the next few years? Subtle difference in one way but a huge difference when considering his success or failure.

    The figures for advertising are a range but you can clearly see that we’re not talking big money. We should get more than Stoke but it won’t be a massive amount more.

    Is it any surprise that Pardew says he wants 2 or 3 players? I’m sure he did! And we could have done that with just one more signing. I wanted that other signing but it isn’t the end of the world that he didn’t come. I’m sure you could find quotes on several other managers saying they wanted someone else. Didn’t Mourinho say he wanted another striker?

    Mourinho out!

  • 143 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    TDS

    there are plenty good things to look at

    - family section at the club with good priced tickets
    - ashley loaning the club money (saves us, him too, but still us)
    - bringing in some good players (some poor boys as well though)

    Sure there’s more but i can’t think. As much as you say we should all see the good, equally it’s as important to see the bad too.

  • 144 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    Interesting how you were commenting about how the club’s approach to the cups is disappointing yet as soon as I make a similar, more cutting, comment, I am a moron.

    Also it is interesting that you claim I am blinded by bitterness, yet your personal dislike for me is turning you into a petulant child.

  • 145 fatman // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Transfer Sage

    saturation advertising is expensive and it cant be compared with what the club gains from wonga, the sports direct signs out number wonga by over 6-1 and i can guarantee that its worth an easy £20m why do you think man city owners are doing the same with the Etihad airways, and arsenal with emirates airlines, the way saturation advertising works is by making sure you always see it so it imprints on your subconscious. its not anything to do with normal adverting its on a higher level.

  • 146 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Slank

    My point is that our approach to the cups should be independent of our league position. I.e we should have a strong squad that sees us easily in the top half of the table, and that we should have a deep enough squad to be able to rotate in the cups and remain competitive.

    As it stands, we have a squad that is so thin that we can barely compete in the Premier League. I really don’t think we will finish top half if we are in any way affected by injuries or suspensions, which means that we will have next to no interest in any of the cups, including the League Cup.

  • 147 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    TS

    I see the bad too:
    – poor revenue stream means we’re falling behind the top 6 while extra TV revenue narrow the % gap between us and the chasing pack
    – terrible communication between club and fans has driven a deep divide that some fans have no intention to work on closing
    – reputation damaged by relegation
    – reputation damaged by constant infighting
    – Wonga can damage the reputation too. Though I question why fans didn’t protest at the time in the same way as Bolton fans did. I’d have joined that march if I was in Newcastle.
    – lack of ambition is saddening. Not targeting the cups, a solid manager and a good squad doesn’t leave much for the fans to latch onto as exciting. Ben Arfa and some youth players is about it. Maybe a cup run? :-)

  • 148 Slank // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    TS @ 143

    Well said.

    But I only wish he would wear a suit, preferably from Savile Row. I will being my ‘Ashley Out To Savile Row’ banner when the time comes.

  • 149 Quasimodo's tailor // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    @Fatman. Good for you. Your “further education” has obviously benefitted you greatly.

  • 150 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    TDS

    I’m not saying other managers dont say it, but pardew must realise by now he is often let down in the transfer market (for whatever reason).

    As for JFK, he did say something along those lines and never gave a time frame so could be anything from 1 to 100 years really..but why say it when in all honestly can you see Ashley really sanctioning moves for players to help us push for champs league?

    Moruinho wanted rooney but got eto’o, didn’t want another…but i do get your point :)

  • 151 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    Ciaran

    “but we are making no attempt to hide our disdain for the cup competitions and want to be out of them as soon as possible.” is a moronic statement. I said that I am disappointed that the club couldn’t put out a statement about targeting a cup to win a trophy for the first time in decades. You go miles further my claiming the club shows “disdain” for cup competitions and wants to get knocked out “as soon as possible”!

    Completely different! And the facts disprove both of your points!

    I was pleasantly surprised with the team we put out yesterday and very happy we avoided our usual curse of losing to a lower league club. Your point is therefore moronic because it’s simply not true and is just coloured by your hatred.

  • 152 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Interesting how he neglected to mention a few of these negatives:

    - mistreatment of 2 club legends
    - renaming of our historic ground.
    - not properly re-investing so we have the strength in depth that we’ve needed in multiple positions. Ie Carroll replacement took 6 months, Ba replacement took 6 months, didn’t sign a CB for 2 1/2 seasons. Delayed Debuchy transfer for 6 months.
    - re-hiring JFK

    Is it a coincidence that he failed to mention the negatives that portray Ashley in a bad light?

  • 153 SeanNufc87 // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Ruddy

    Your right, how could a march that has the intention of making people stand up and take notice of your cause ever penetrate those thick dressing room walls?

    On the other hand im sure prospective buyers, players and staff will see the inevitable media coverage and think ‘golly, id love to go there, a silent stadium where all the passion is used to but heads with the owner!’

    As for your sarcasm towards our first team yes the very same team that regardless of the opposition has beaten 4 and drawn with 1 out of 7 teams this season, we lost to a rampant city (the same that did over united at their own ground) and a newly promoted team with it all to prove and we rolled over and THAT is the only worry I have.

    Your quite welcome to debate with me over the march or your opinions but leave the sarcasm out of it yeah? Lowest form of wit an all that.

  • 154 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    TDS

    I know it may not sound like it from here but i do enjoy the games and most parts of being around the club a lot of the time.

    Just like to talk here with a variety of people and see what can be done to advance the club from the fans point of view.

    Currently involved in petitions to introduce safe standing to the premier league.

  • 155 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    So because we beat Leeds – a Championship club – at home, we’re suddenly looking to win the League Cup? Nothing you say surprises me now.

  • 156 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    TS

    Sorry, I forgot about Eto’o! But yeah, you get my point…plenty of other managers have done that. :-)

    I think it’s good that Pardew speaks his mind about what he wants. He gets slated for giving a PC answer and yet when he says that he wants more players he still gets slated?

    Don’t you think that he wanted more players and fought that battle with JFK and MA? You’ve got to feel a little sorry for him that he didn’t get what he wanted and then had to boost the confidence and performance of the players he does have without that Ameobi replacement.

    I think the goal is for organic progression. If we had capitalised on the 5th place and finished in top 8 again while strengthening the squad then I think we would have been closer for top 4. 3 or 4 top 10 finishes in a row and I think our commercial revenue will rise, our ability to attract players will rise and we can seriously think about cracking the top 6 and maybe even the top 4. That’s how Spurs did it

  • 157 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    I’m back to ignoring every post from Ciaran/Ruddy. Sorry, I should not have given in.

    It’s very boring replying to someone who then ignores what you’ve said.

  • 158 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    TS

    Safe standing would be good!

    For our club I think it’s just about communication. But sadly I think it will be very difficult to improve the relationship between fans and clubs too much while Ashley is around and we have so called fans like Ruddy/Ciaran, JfA and MacToon…

  • 159 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    sean

    liverpool fans protested against their owners hicks and gillete and were very vocal about wanting them out…they were then bought by a man who has spent a lot of money on the side..Jonh Henry is it?

    I think our protests at best convince ashley to look for a buyer and at worst achieve nothing. I just can’t see it having a positive or negative result on a potential owner who wants to actually develop the club.

  • 160 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    I tend to disagree that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, sometimes cutting sarcasm can be very cleverly constructed, but we can park that for a minute.

    We were destroyed by City, stings, but I can take it. We drew at home to West Ham, without a shot on target. Poor result. Played well for 15 mins at home to Fulham, good result though. Did very well against Villa, great result and capitulated in the 2nd half against Hull. Awful, unacceptable result.

    As for the march. Peaceful demonstrations against the owner will not have a negative impact on the team so long as we are proving we are a positive influence within the grounds. I would say the dire atmosphere inside the stadium is more damaging to the team than any protest could ever be outside the ground.

  • 161 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    By the way…I did agree with JfA on one point…I do find it very dull when people just post their predicted teams with the only aim seeming to be to brag if they predict it right. Same thing goes for scorelines.

    I find it dull, but each to their own.

  • 162 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    TDS

    I don’t pardew speaking his mind but saying he wants 3 players in a summer is never going to happen..might as well say the three he wants are ronaldo, messi and suarez (bit over the top but get the general idea).

    I think those guys you mentioned are proper fans, bit unfair to say they aren’t. They are very passionate about the club, whether you think its right or wrong they do care about the club…as do you and others who don’t consider things as big a problem as those.

    As for organic development, it works but when starting a farm you need the initial outlay for seeds, land, equipment etc….i think sometimes we need to put a little more in upfront to get some gaines. Not go with casino signings (huge gambles) but a few more.

  • 163 Wiz // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    It would be quite unsurprising if we lost every single match in October. Even Sunderland will be a difficult game if I know anything about Gus Poyet. I shall watch carefully how promptly our interest in cup competitions is ditched in that event. Once we start losing, Pardew’s teams tend to keep losing. I like Pardew, but he is the managerial equivalent of a confidence player. Kinnear’s first major signing will be a new manager, I tend to think, and it will be well before the January window.

  • 164 Ciaran // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    I think many fans can pinpoint the negatives within the club. Many fans are probably annoyed, maybe even livid with Ashley’s ownership. Some fans may even not dislike Ashley but are of the mindset that he is not the man to take us forward and therefore change should be implemented.

    The one thing that I would say to these people is that they should perhaps try and get involved with ways and means to do that. By now we should have heard of various different avenues in which that can be pursued, so instead of sitting and doing nothing, do your bit for your club.

    Positively promote change, go into the stadium and roar the team to victory, be the best, more pro-active fan you can be for the betterment of your club.

  • 165 00chambersl09 // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Slank

    Name a game this season where we played hoof ball and I will show you stats that will show you otherwise

  • 166 Transfer Sage // Sep 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    I don’t think we play much hoofball, what we struggle to do is link the short passes we attempt together to creat good team goals, too often it’s an individual striker or slice of luck.

    I was impressed with dummet and sammy linking last night, was very good. Dummet showed the international fullbacks we have that you can defend and attack without being hugely exposed.

  • 167 JAMSHA // Sep 26, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    BPL Live – Everton Vs
    Newcastle United
    ( HINDI, ENGLISH)

    00.30 am

    ESPN INDIA

  • 168 ToonDarnSarf // Sep 26, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    TS

    I think he said he wanted 2 or 3 this summer? I’m assuming that was a strong striker, a pacey striker (Remy) and hopefully one other. We weren’t actually that far away…

  • 169 laserfireball // Sep 26, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    I’m going to keep commenting the same sort of thing on these forums and hope the ‘fans’ are listening. Went to hull game on Saturday, support from us home fans was appalling, easily drowned out by hull fans, and an abundance of negative comments. Now I’ve been reading, as I didn’t go (4 hours drive away), that home fans were drowned out again last night by the Leeds fans. COME ON NEWCASTLE FANS, STOP WHINGING AND START BACKING THE TEAM!!!




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