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Local Lad Could Force Himself Into The Side

10:05 am, Tuesday, October 1st, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 175 Comments

We had thought after the Leeds United game that Mike Williamson could have kept his place in the first team, and replaced Yanga-Mbiwa last night, but once Alan Pardew started talking about his first choice back four from the Hull game, we thought that wouldn’t happen.

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Paul Dummett – should be given a chance at Cardiff City

And it didn’t as Pardew gave the back four and goalkeeper another chance after the Hull City debacle, but we were simply hopeless in that first half and Everton simply tore us apart.

Mike Williamson did come on in the second half and put in a solid performance, and we’ve always thought Mike is a better player than he’s given credit for, and certainly he can concentrate in a game and usually puts in a solid performance, and he offers some height at the back.

So Mike will start alongside Colo at Cardiff City on Saturday, but we also think Alan Pardew may make at least one more change in the defense.

Tim Krul has not looked good in the last two league games, and was at fault for maybe two of the goals last night, and he almost gifted Everton a goal with a poor pass to Cheick Tiote, but we think he’ll keep his place and Alan Pardew could well give Paul Dummett a start at left back.

David Santon is a good player going forward, but he was left standing by the speed of Kevin Mirallas for that first goal, and his defending has never been the best part of his game, and we need some solid defending now.

With Paul Dummett doing very well when he has been given a chance in the first team, the back four for Saturday could well be Debuchy Coloccini Williamson and Dummett.

And Alan Pardew is under pressure to deliver results, make no mistake about that, and he has to quickly fix the defensive problems at Newcastle, which have been our weak link for at least the last two seasons.

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175 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    I would be interested to know from anyone involved in the protest march what they want to happen in the actual game that day? Should we beat Liverpool, then the protest will have a hollow ring to it as it will have been a very good result. For the protest to gather a bit of pace momentum and support, it would need us to get beaten, and the more we lose by, the more resonant the protest will be.

    So, do you want us to get a hiding for the cause, or win and the march look a bit less meaningful?

  • 2 theartfuldodger // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    Krul,Debuchy,Willo,Collo,Dummett,jonas,anita,cabaye,obertan,remy,gouffran

    Thats a team pardew can set up. Its defensive with obertan as a running outlet and jonas to get free kicks.

  • 3 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    Force his way into the side?? I think Santon has hung up the white flag, rolled over and allowed him in after that showing. I hope he does well if given the chance, but I think we should all hold back a bit from building him up too much prior to him actually doing anything of note.

  • 4 Slank // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:10 AM

    Repost

    Lilongwe Geordie @ 11

    Managers don’t think like that.

    They know that all owners are difficult and single minded and have achieved their position and wealth in life by being ruthless.

  • 5 theartfuldodger // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    Lilongwe,
    You can pen down a defeat to the top 7 sides before kickoff.
    I base that on the manc and everton games.

  • 6 Slank // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie @ 1

    Do you know what they will be protesting about, specifics I mean?

  • 7 believeintoon // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    I don’t think JFK has good connection as well,besides he says he can phone to AF and Wenger anytime.

    By the way,Santon was horrible yesterday,so it would be good to test Dummet.

  • 8 catchy in norway // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:13 AM

    Jonas is the first name down on the team sheet for Cardiff

  • 9 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    slank

    Protesting to get Ashley to sell the club to another person. For Ashley to start to actively look for a new owner instead of just sitting in charge of the club doing nothing with it.

  • 10 catchy in norway // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    we have a management team full of bluffers, all talk a good game but carnt back anything up

  • 11 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    Ed – 5th bottom not where we expected to be after six games. Eh? You serious? One of the things that Pardew’s c.v. tells us is that the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy is a possibility.

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    I would happily see santon and sammy both start the bext game. They both put in twice as much effort and understand their role more than santon and HBA…they may not be better players but they are certainly more useful at the current time.

    Until HBA learns to do defensive duties he shouldn’t be playing no matter how key he is going forward.

  • 13 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    As for league position…not a huge worry, a couple wins changes that massively at this stage in the season.

    The problem is where we are dropping points and how we are dropping them.

  • 14 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM

    Lilongwe

    People keep spinning out the line, “a man who was proved to have lied in court”, but what really happened in court?
    – the club was proven to be guilty of constructive dismissal as KK could reasonably assume that he would have final say on transfers and he did not
    – that assumption was based on no mention of this in the contract
    – comments from KK’s lawyers about lies which were justified by saying that MA didn’t want KK to have final say on transfers but they didn’t want to contradict him in public so that was the public message

    This was a constructive dismissal case not a defamation or libel case. MA wasn’t found guilty of lying, he was found guilty of constructive dismissal. How many owners, managers and players have lied? Virtually every one! “We’re not in for this player”. “I will not leave this club”. “I didn’t dive” blah blah…

    I really don’t find it that relevant, just frustrating that our club had to get the headlines when 2 giant egos (KK and MA) clashed and had to take it to court. KK would always win the fan’s vote of course.

  • 15 catchy in norway // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    Blackley and Brownlie player wise we should be top 8,

    and when it was asked where we thought we would finish, I said bottom 5, 1 reason only,, pardew

    we git tanked last night because he went with a defensive mindset, , 3 DMC , HBA our link to the forwards, but shoved out on the left, starved of the ball

    even in the second half, we did not create much, a wonder strike and a scrappy one, but no real chances

  • 16 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    Slank,
    I’d assume the initial protest march would be to drum up media interest, support, and recognition of their cause – Mike Ashley’s removal.

    On managers, I’m fairly certain they will take into account aspects of the previous managers tenure. Did he get money to spend, was he backed, but I also think that some will look at the stability and potential. My point was that it is impossible to say what a manger would think when he looked at Ashley as an owner, which is what TDS was alluding to.

    Artful,
    Possibly, but it is different penning down a loss, and wanting a loss.

  • 17 cyprus // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    Ciaran
    I do see your points regarding MA, but really, that’s not how real life works. 99%, if a company (especially a private one where a hostile takeover is almost impossible) isn’t performing, you get rid of management, not the owner… The other alternative is to get rid of the employees (players et al) but they aren’t easy to replace from one day to the next.
    Conclusion: AP has 10 games, if he doesn’t turn it around, he must go, simple. Teams like Soton, Norwich don’t get the kind of embarrassing displays we do… Someone else might do better. If not, then begins the dismantling of the squad, which wouldn’t be the end of the world, given our recent record. Ashley ISN’T the coach, dude.

  • 18 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    The problem with a new manager is either:
    1 – MA assures him that he’s going to own the club for the long term and the new manager has to work under the pressures of protesting fans demanding change
    2 – MA doesn’t assure him of this and the new manager runs the risk of being out of a job in a few months if a new owner comes in

    Either way, I don’t think any top manager would risk his reputation for us. So it’s either a risk with Pardew or a risk with someone else who could even turn out to be worse.

    Or Ashley sells (and he won’t until he gets the right offer – regardless of protests) or the protestors stop and put all of their energy into supporting the team (which they won’t do either).

    Safe to say that I’m really hoping Pardew sorts it out against Cardiff because otherwise it could turn into a right mess…

  • 19 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    TS

    1n your post 12, do you mean dummett.

  • 20 joeinthecheapseats // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    Pardew comes in for a lot of stick but when Ashley foes sack him the next manager as like the ones before will be stuck with an owner who wants everything on the cheap and won’t pay the going rates.
    After last season everyone knew we needed 4 players being a centre half left winger and two centre forwards
    Did Ashley strengthen one centre forward in and we have the same problems
    Toon in the south to defend Ashley your blinkered pal.

  • 21 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    At least mackems recognised the problems. we are stuck with the problem and have been so for near 3 years.

  • 22 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:27 AM

    TDS,
    Yes, in court he was found guilty of constructive dismissal. In the judges statement he was also proved to have lied about certain circumstances during his testimony. But that wasn’t what the case was about, it was part of his evidence – hence it not being defamation or libel.

  • 23 Jonny // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:27 AM

    Krul
    Debuchy
    Williamson
    Colo
    Dummet
    Tiote
    Anita
    Cabaye
    Ben arfa
    Remy
    Cisse

    That’s the 11 I think pardew will play on Saturday against Cardiff as mbiwa and santon can’t defend and sissoko isn’t very good at football!

  • 24 joeinthecheapseats // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    No manager of any substance will work for Ashley
    He won’t buy the best available players you get the cheapest or none at all

  • 25 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Sorry, the judge stated that it had been proved he had lied in his testimony.

  • 26 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    TDS,
    I understand some of your points, but why you feel the need to defend even when a Judge has stated otherwise sort of weakens any argument.

  • 27 pottsclock // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:29 AM

    Left back should now be Dummett’s till his form proves otherwise. Santon has been poor all season.
    Right back is another question as there is no proper competition.
    All 4 centre backs have limitations depending upon opposition. Never thought I would be glad to see Willo back on the pitch yet he handled the physicality better. Against pacey, nimble attackers he’s a big problem though

  • 28 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    dhingra

    yeh, sorry. i meant happy to see dummet and samym start.

    TDS

    I think a lot managers put up with much worse around the world than what ashley serves up, I think in spain you often see whole squads sold and not replaced yet managers get on with it as a lot in europe are first team coaches and have little say in who comes or goes…just say an area that needs improving and a player is brought in.

    I’d say that we could easily get a much better manager in. Managers know their jobs are never safe and the owner can change his mind on a whim, it happens all the time.

  • 29 NUFC_LEAZES END // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    I would love to see a overhaul f the players that aren’t playing there heart out for us , this is the team I would go for against cardiff

    Elliot
    S.taylor willo collo dummet
    Gosling tiote cabaye
    HBA remy Jonas

    I would rather see us getting beat whilst playing our hearts out rather than getting turned over whilst playing with no fire and passion

  • 30 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    i’d go for

    krul
    debuchy-taylor-colo-dummet
    anita-cabaye-sissoko
    gouff, remy, sammy

  • 31 jimmysmith // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    Pards sacked because he couldn’t bring success under the constraints placed on him by the owner.

    Would hardly auger well for any change in the way Ashley funds the club. Surely a better and more likely solution would be to back Pards with a top young technical director of coaching and few extra bob for the transfer kitty.

    Isn’t there going to be money made available anyway, so get the coach in now and a couple more bodies in January. Ashley can’t be enjoying this and surely not prepared to allow it to continue.

    Then again he might just sack him and stick Joe in for a bit to see what happens. My heads spinning!

  • 32 Slank // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    Transfer Sage @ 9 and Lilongwe Geordie @ 16

    Seems a bit pathetic really. A protest march complaining that the owner hasn’t spend enough of his own money. How much money do they think he should have spent?

    If anything, the march should give the fans of other clubs a good laugh.

  • 33 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    Leazes,
    HBA played his heart out??? Colo?? Debuchy??

  • 34 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    Lilongwe

    Because I read the statement from the court. And it doesn’t mention lying. The comments for lying come from KK’s lawyers and are directly referring to the club lying to the public and the media to state that KK had control over transfers when in fact he didn’t.

    I think they are something like “the club admitted that they deliberately misled the media and public regarding…”

    Your initial statement is often one that is taken out of context in terms of either MA being proven to have lied in court (as far as I am aware he did not lie while giving evidence) or that MA lied to his manager. I have seen no evidence that says MA told KK he could have final say on transfers, just that the contract did not explicitly state otherwise. The only reason I’ve read for the lie was because KK told everyone he had final say and the club decided it was better to stick with that message in public rather than publically state that KK was wrong. I wonder at what point the club realised that they has screwed up the contract though.

    Look, I still think that Mike Ashley is an egotistical pr*ck and I’m not happy with the way things are being run at our club but if anyone wants to go up against Ashley then they better get their facts straight. Imagine a debate between someone in Ashley’s camp and someone tripping out lines like that.

    Let’s get it right so we can criticise Ashley for what he’s really done badly, rather than things that aren’t actually true or relevant.

  • 35 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    TS

    Yeah they do put up with a lot more. Yet KK wasn’t willing to put up with the club wanting to do a favour for an agent. KK was a legend in his first stint but why is he totally absolved of blame? If that was any other manager (other than Shearer) then fans would have been demanding that he just got on with it rather than dragging our club through the mud in court.

    I don’t blame KK any more than I’d blame a lion for biting me if I stood on its tail though…it’s the nature of the beast.

    Anyway, I’m not just talking about a journeyman manager like Pardew or the dozens of others in the game, I’m talking about a really ambitious manager who wants to get into the CL. They wouldn’t risk their reputation at a club like ours at the moment.

  • 36 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    Slank,
    I don’t see a protest march which contains 5,000 (reportedly) Liverpool fans as having any influence at all on anything. The LFC fans cheapens it, but the thing that annoys me is they assume they speak for everyone. Personally, I’d like to see a new owner in place, but I can perfectly understand some peoples arguments for not wanting a new owner. He has done some good, and some bad.

    For me, the putting of his own money in isn’t my issue with Ashley. It is more his other baffling decisions. I don’t see him as a financial saviour as some do, but I don’t agree with those who think he should bank roll the club every year.

    I am interested to see how many go on the march, it will give a good gauge of how people are feeling, once the 5,000 LFC fans are taken out, I’d wager there will be less then a fifth of the match day attendance involved.

  • 37 Rake // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    Missed the first half last night, It seemed the biggest issue was communication at the back. Our full backs where not even close to being in defensive positions. I think you have to drop Santon but Pardew might say to him last chance saloon perfom against Cardiff or Dumment is coming in.

    My Cardiff team – Krul, Debs, Willo, Colo, Dumment, Sissoko, Cabaye, Anita, Benny, Remy, Gouffran. 4-3-3.

  • 38 Beattie25 // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Don’t come on here often now as I hate the majority of you for being retarded.

    And that’s exactly why I have come back. Most of you are idiots who literally know nothing about football. You think you do but you seriously don’t.

    I was at the game last night (in the Everton stand) and let me tell you something. Newcastle didn’t improve last night second half, Everton eased off. From the stands you could see how unorganised the team was and if Everton wanted to exploit it they could’ve done but Martinez obviously had an eye on their next match.

    The funniest thing from yesterday evening was Pardew. Above his head sat a fat man in a white shirt and all evening Pardew was shouting weird orders like ‘Goof hold the ball up’ when talking to Remy and dancing around like a thunderbird (quite apt that the puppet master sat above his head almost manipulating the strings).

    My annoyance with the idiots on here are the ones that see 4-3-3 on paper and then say we played 4-3-3. That wasn’t 4-3-3. That was 4-5-who the fcuk knows. It wasn’t 4-3-3.

    Goofy is a striker and yet played right wing for much of the half. Sissoko will never be an AM and Tiote is just shit without the ferocity he once had.

    Time and time again we hear of the poor quality of our full backs but what the retards don’t get is these full backs are not being played in the right tactics to compliment their talents.

    They are attacking full backs and when they are pushing forward they should be covered by the 2 DM’s and the CB’s (like Everton did). Pardew doesn’t have a clue and time and time again they are doing the job of 2 players without any cover what so ever.

    Finally I hear people calling for Williamson. Ha ha ha. Typical Gerdies. I can’t beging to say how many times I’ve heard it in my years supporting this club. The tactics are wrong, the players lack direction and confidence, the opposition thump us and their solution is to turn to a player who has proven to be tripe over the past 3 years.

    Same old with you lot. Williamson is shite. Mapou maybe doesn’t deserve his spot after last night be Williamson doesn’t deserve it because he’s the answer. He is not. Any fan with an ounce of intelligence would rather risk playing Mapou against Cardiff and hope substituting him will give him the fire than turn to Mike Williamson.

    It’s hilarious. You idiots want Simpson back instead of Debuchy as well. My good God.

    That’s your answer.

    Ask a neutral, ask anyone who knows football and they will all agree. The team lacks direction, tactics, motivation and belief. It doesn’t lack talent.

    I’ve been saying it for nearly 3 years. Pardew is the worst manager we’ve had in a long long time but you idiots are so easy to manipulate. Some of you need to either start watching football or wake up from the slumber your in.

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    slank

    Hardly…its to show people are not happy with the way the club spends its funds and wants somebody better in to make better use of club funds.

    Look at spurs, greater revenue but they sell players more to fund others…if we cant spend our owners money then surely we should be able to sell to buy instead of standing still?

    Also there is the situation on things like getting a sponsor nobody wants, renaming the stadium, splitting up the singing section, etc etc.

  • 40 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Lilongwe

    I totally agree with your post 36

  • 41 jimmysmith // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Beattie, you old honey dropper you!

  • 42 NUFC_LEAZES END // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Lilongwe

    That’s why debuchy isn’t in my team but I thought Ben arfa and collo just had a bad day at the office

  • 43 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Beattie25

    All well and good. But I think we’re screwed when there are people demanding replacing Pardew with the likes of Zola or Poyet, while others are demanding that Ashley leaves and the rest of us know that we’re totally powerless to affect anything. The only way we could is if we had a consistent message that was shared by the majority of the fans, but as usual, that’s impossible.

    I’ve been saying for ages that many fans have cried out for attacking football from us and we have the perfect squad to do it! Debuchy and Santon are both attacking full backs and Tiote and Anita should be able to provide cover when one of them bombs forward. But it rarely seems to gel.

  • 44 NUFC_LEAZES END // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Lilongwe

    That’s why debuchy isn’t in my team but I thought Ben arfa and collo just had a bad day at the office.

  • 45 Slank // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie @ 36

    I agree with you about the Liverpool fans.

    If some Liverpool fans march then critics and the press could say that the Newcastle fans don’t have enough support that they have to draft in fans from another club. This will destroy any legitimacy of the Newcastle fans.

  • 46 fatman // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    ToonDarnSarf

    you and the other 3 are the only people on earth that believe Ashly does not lie you keep trying to peddle that one when it was proved in court that Ashley & Llambias lied, or doe you believe the story that telling something often enough will make people believe you, they might if they are fools, I’m starting to believe that you are working for Ashley you repeat the same old bull s*it over and over again. Yes i get it Ashley’s a nice man just misunderstood. he just employs kids to make his clothes to help their learning and its really just work experience. And zero hours contracts help the economy.

  • 47 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    beattie

    you talk a lot of good but also so much rubbish

    the full backs were pathetic, yes players can cover for them at times but their general positioning was terrible, as was mbiwas…neville and carragher slated them and they know about defending and what should be done, they highlighted their faults.

    You can just expect tiote and anita to cover for two rampaging fullbacks every time as who then covers the central midfield spot? how to the DM’s get out wide in the split second they are needed to be there?

    I agree the faults come down to pardew and not structuring the team and instilling discipline in how to play and ultimately the manager in any profession carries the can.

    I will stand by my coment that mbiwa is not a prem league defender, he is useless.

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    TDS

    why not poyet? he did well with brighton and bested out manager twice with an inferior team.

    What we need is to go for that type, we wont get a proven top manager so need to take a gamble on an up and coming good manager.

  • 49 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    TDS,
    Given that the basis was constructive dismissal due to being forced to sign Gonzalez as a favour to a South American agent, and that Keegan’s statement was found to be true despite it being denied by Ashley and co, hence the ruling in Keegan’s favour I’d say that was proved to have lied.

    Not to mention the “entirely unfounded allegations against Mr Keegan” during a Premier League Arbitration Tribunal.

    Anyway, nobody mentioned going up against Ashley. We were talking about any incoming managers and what they would think? You were stating they would look on it as a good thing. I was merely saying, just like with the fans on here, their thoughts could go either way, impossible to tell. Even if they took the job who is to say they have taken it cause they think Ashley is wonderful.

    Anyway, given that the basis was constructive dismissal due to being forced to sign Gonzalez as a favour to a South American agent, and that Keegan’s statement was found to be true despite it being denied by Ashley and co, hence the ruling in Keegan’s favour I’d say that was proved to have lied.

  • 50 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Beattie

    As always spot on. Some people don’t like the truth you know. Willo is awful and just goes to show the ineptness of the manager to co-ordinate and coach a defence which jokingly is meant to be his forte!!!

    These aren’t poor players, just poorly coached, de-motivated and tactically misdirected.

  • 51 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    fatman

    I didn’t say that Ashley didn’t lie. In fact I said just the opposite! But virtually everyone lies! You get the odd person like KK who seems to say whatever he feels at the time but pretty much everyone else tells lies for the greater good. And some nasty people tell lies for their selfish gains.

    How about you read my posts when I say that I don’t like Ashley, I think he’s an egotistical pr**k and I would like a more ambitious owner?

  • 52 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    TS

    He’s still a gamble and will no doubt want to stamp his authority on the squad by moving a few players around. I had hoped that we could get top 10 to get this improvement back on track but if that doesn’t happen then we simply have to change.

    Poyet also fell out with the board over something? There were rumours that the players didn’t like him?

  • 53 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Rotonda

    The mistakes mbiwa made last night and in most games are not poor coaching.

    He ran away from the striker and didn’t mark the man in the box…that’s basics and what every defender should do. The lad cannot hold a line and drops off, again it’s common sense to stay in line.

    Pardew gets a lot wrong but the players let him down massively.

  • 54 RonVanDam // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    If we lose against Cardiff then Pardew needs to go. If its too costly to fire him, then offer him a role similar to JK. Pardew has better man management and is more than capable to persuade players to either stay and/or sign for us then JK.

    IF we lose this week and Pardew gets fired, the new manager will get 2 weeks to work with the team (international break)

    One Manager that would come cheap and would get the team going is:

    Marcelo Bielsa – 58
    Knows how to develop youngsters. Did this at Newells Old boys and Athletic Bilbao. Great Tactian, similar to Fergie, under him, our chances of atleast winning FA Cup, League cup or making Europa could become a reality. He’s currently unemployed. Wont cost MA much, just the way he likes it lol

  • 55 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    TDS

    True we don’t really know the full story behind poyet getting sacked but he must have done something.

    I didn’t necessarily mean let’s get poyet though, just that standard of manager. A few years experience managing but showing a lot of potential, that’s what I’d like us to go for.

  • 56 cyprus // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    You both attack a player in order to prove a coach is worthless. Why?

  • 57 Wiz // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Hi Slank (from the last thread) … of course we wouldn’t have got Garcia, but my point is that we need someone who is going to instantly command a dressing room full of French internationals. Frankly, that will probably be a Frenchman or someone who speaks French and knows the French style. And yes it’s true that Ashley and Kinnear are unappetising to someone used to getting his own way and having plenty of money to spend (though Lille are not big spenders and Hazard cost little or nothing) but as you suggest we might throw money at a manager instead of throwing money at a load of players – Ashley might see the sense in that.

  • 58 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Lilongwe

    But still, Ashley wasn’t proven to have lied in court. He didn’t lie to the judge as far as we know.

    KK stated that he had final say on transfers, MA told him that he didn’t but told the public that he did (to save face). KK proved that he could reasonably assume that he had final say on transfers as there was no mention of that in his contract. So…constructive dismissal.

    Either MA never wanted KK to have final say and drew up a pathetically drafted contract or he changed his mind once KK started.

    So there appears to be proof that the club told the public that KK did have final say. So that’s the lie. But like I say, pretty much everyone lies.

    I don’t think that will put off a new manager, they would just want to make extra sure that the contract is drawn up well!

  • 59 Ciaran // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Chop and change the coach, and results might get better for a short time. Is that all you people are interested in? The next game? Look beyond your own selfish interests of seeing semi-decent football now and do the right thing by your club by removing the man that is killing it.

  • 60 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Poyet taking Brighton to court accusing them of lying…I wonder who will win…

    Do we really want to employ a manager who could be found of lying himself?

  • 61 SharpEnough23 // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Gouffran was the only player to put in a shift in the first half last night.

    Even krul looked poor.

    I used too slate Williamson but fair play to him, if it weren’t for him second half we would of got beat 6 or 7 nil.

    as for yanga, for me he hasn’t got the right build for a CB, ESPECIALLY in the PL I’d try him Instead of tiote as dm…..never know he might actually pass forwards?!

  • 62 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Wiz

    I don’t care about a manager knowing the French style. We play in the English Premier League and our players need to play in such a way to win games in this league, not in Ligue 1. What’s next? All the players told that they have to learn French?

  • 63 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    sage

    My point exactly, pardew has had 6 months to coach him on that

  • 64 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    TDs

    when I said we needed a continental manager I meant ones who had worked / are working in the PL too, not necessarily just from abroad.

  • 65 mindshaft // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Next six games

    Cardiff V Newcastle – 1 point
    Newcastle V Liverpool – 0 points
    Sunderland V Newcastle – 1 point (poss 3)
    Newcastle V Man City – out of cup
    Newcastle V Chelsea – 0 points
    Tottenham V Newcastle – 0 points

    So that’s 4 points at best although more likely none and we’ll be on 7 points after 11 games – it’s likely we’ll be bottom of the league mid November

  • 66 mindshaft // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Good thing is that we’ll be able to watch 5 of those defeats on SKY!

  • 67 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    rotonda

    but he should know that being an international footballer, thats not the manager to coach, he will know that already, he needs to focus and put in to practice the skills that has got him here

  • 68 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Rotonda

    Not many of those worth having though…

    I had hoped Pardew could get top 10 and we could string together a few top 10 finishes over the next few years to really re-establish the club in the top half. But if he does go then I don’t see any other option than one of the young up and coming coaches like Zola or Poyet. Could be a disaster but I’d rather have one of those than a McClaren or a Redknapp.

  • 69 theartfuldodger // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Beattie,
    The puppet analogy was great.

    It looks like we have to make a choice
    1.Put out a defensive team with eg jonas that pardew can set up
    2.Put out an attacking team which Pardew has no clue about setting up.

  • 70 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Actually…I’d take Hoddle. Controversial for sure but as long as he could keep his mouth shut on certain topics and just talk about the football then I reckon he’d have our squad singing on the pitch.

  • 71 JAMSHA // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    just play this team

    ———————–Krul————————

    Debuchu———Saylor—Willo————-Dumbe

    Cabaye—————Anita——————–Colo

    Hba——————Remy——————-gufo

    cabaye will def as well an so will colo def n attack
    arfa an goufo can stay up an attack hard

  • 72 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    TDS

    Poyet plays great football and had a reasonably successful time at Brighton and previously at Leeds. He’s not nearly relegated 3 different teams and after Pardew who’s told more porkies than Pinnochio since he got here quite frankly Poyet would be a refreshing change.

    Poyet’s got good contacts, knows the PL from playing successfully in it and hasn’t royally screwed up everywhere he’s been. Plus he bought in a guy from Barca as his number 2 which is a good indication of how he wants to play. I think we would all be very pleasantly surprised.

  • 73 catchy in norway // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    spot on Beattie

    very well put

    I think half of the idiots see it to, but either fear the unknown of a new manager or don’t want to look stupid by changing there minds about pardew ,

    I think with the calebre of player we have it’s there for all to see there getting worse with every game, yet the players are to blame for following the managers instructions

    super fans we have , so knowledgable , yeh right 😉

  • 74 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Hoddle would be good too. In fact any ”footballing ” manager would be very welcome.

  • 75 count // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    ED – we are asked to refrain from bad language and act with respect towards one another, as kids read the blog.

    Meanwhile you sit back and count the revenue generated by facilitating the random appearance of free porn sites on our screens. And adverts like “ugly girls need sex too”

    Sort it out man.

    And please don’t bother telling me it’s not ed’s fault, fellow readers. It is completely his responsibility.
    I don’t care how old he is, or how much time he “dedicates”.

  • 76 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    TDS

    Anyone we brought in would be a risk but if the status quo, ie the guy currently in charge is already a confirmed disaster you have to look to try something different.

  • 77 Colo-Sus // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    I take you all back to 2011, when we were first linked with this M’Biwa

    The likes of Martoon, Ibiza, Beattie will remember me harping on about him and that we wasnt the centre half we needed.

    My reason were as follows.

    1. He is a carbon copy of Colocinni, hes a ball player and a reader of the game.

    2. All the top sides have balance at the back, Every Puyol needs a Pique, every Terry needs a Carvalho, every Vidic needs a Ferdinand, every Hummels needs a Subotic….I could go on.

    I said that if he and Colocinni played together it wouldnt work or would eventually be exposed. everton targeted them with power and aerial threat last night and we caved. With Willo in there the balance was better, you need somebody to win balls in the air, like Hangeland with Aaron Hughes etc…..

    Wilo lacks class and vision, but he is a good honest pro who puts it in every time he plays, PLUS HE IS ENGLISH!!!!

    Everton are a proper club, they do things right and in a weird way I was happy in a small sense that they won.

    Osman, Barry, Barkley, Coleman, Jagielka, Baines, McCarthy…All british..

    We have too many French players now,

    I for one have lost my connection with the club, its just not Newcastle United anymore….we are a shell of a club.

    I would like to see this side play against Cardiff..Purely from a sense that they will graft, and play for the shirt…..that is what we need now.

    ===================Elliott==================
    Debuchy=====Willo=======Colo=======Dummett
    =================Anita===================
    =========Cabaye=========Sissoko==========
    Gouffran===========================Jonas
    =============Remy====Cisse============

    id evern be tempted to play the likes of Shola, Sammy and Obertan

  • 78 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    TDS

    hoddle would be great, rio ferdinand was speaking recently about how he was the best manager he ever worked with after Ferguson.

  • 79 theartfuldodger // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    Collocini goes haywire on the field.
    He leaves his man goes to the post,or follows him out of the box leaving mbiwa both clueless and alone since anita or tiote arent that far back. Sometimes he goes to help santon leaving mbiwa alone in the middle. And ofcourse rarely wins first ball headers.

    Im not a defensive coach or an expert but I got very nervous watching him ystrday.

  • 80 Geordiedoonsooth // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Would like to see Dummett and Sammy get more chances, we also need Saylor back he’s much better than Willo and Mibiwa. Time for a change.

  • 81 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    TDS

    Yes we play in England but look at the top 2 Arsenal and Liverpool they are far more what I would call a continental style just played at a higher tempo.

  • 82 nufc 11 // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    The problem with the bk4 is Debuchy and Yanga cost 13/14million between them and Colo shud have been left leave maybe he knew he wasnt up to EPL standard anymore and new hed be shown up over the season by droppin them tho its conceeding someone got it wrong and you cant be doing that its shows someone is seriously inept so stuborness preveils at the cost of the team now who has to answer for that is the question?

  • 83 Slank // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    This business of Newcastle (the grass is always greener) fans always wanting a new manager should take a look at Everton.

    They have been strapped for cash as long as I can remember and spend very little on new players. They employed a relatively unknown in Moyes and stuck with him through thick and thin and give him the time to build up a system of playing, feeding through young players from the long established academy and generally overseeing a very stable club. Without the benefit of billionaire cash, they are probably the most successful club in the Premiership.

  • 84 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Saylor is shocking , just look at the games v Liverpool, Benfica and Sunderland at the back end of last season and city away this season.

    You know under a Wenger or a proper manager M’Biwa would be class as would Sissoko etc. Pardew just seems able to make players go bad almost overnight.

  • 85 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    rotonda

    i disagree, i think saylor is solid with 10% of the time he is a muppet. where as mbiwa is not cut out to be a defender in the prem, way too many individual mistakes a player of his age/experience should not be making.

    Slank

    Moyes had something about him though, sticking by a manager is only beneficial if the manager is good.

    Stability does not always breed success, but success breeds stability.

  • 86 Tinman // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Colo-sus, aye mate that team would probably get it done like. Mainly because there is 12 of them, not because its any good.

    Can only laugh at some of the other line ups people are putting up

  • 87 Slank // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Transfer Sage @ 85

    ‘…sticking by a manager is only beneficial if the manager is good..’

    But you don’t always know that to start with. It’s only after a quite a few years. Fergie is probably the best example. After Aberdeen, if he had come to us instead of ManU I bet he would have been sacked.

    Pardew was voted Manager of the Year a couple of seasons ago. Is this not a sign of a good manager?

  • 88 Colo-Sus // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Haha TINMAN

    Typo there mate didnt mean to include Cisse!!

  • 89 RonVanDam // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    Tbh i don’t think Pardew knows how to properly utilize the 4-2-3-1 formation

    His best formation is 4-3-3 which suits the team but hardly uses it.

    Formation that would work for us would be 3-4-1-2

    ————Debs———Colo———Mbiwa

    Santon—–Sissoko——-Anita——-Ben Arfa

    ———————-Cabaye

    —————Cisse————–Remy

  • 90 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Sage

    It’s too much of a coincidence for people who are internationals, championship winners, have played in the CL, WCs etc, etc to all suddenly be collectively all so spectacularly out of form.

    Debuchy, M’Biwa, Sissoko, Cabaye (last night excluded,) Cisse, Santon, Colo, Krul (even him)
    Tiote, have all been in shocking form. That’s not normal.
    One or 2 yes but not all of them.

  • 91 Belfast // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Last night was a complete farce.

    To many foreign players, (half of them not good enough) plus a two bob manager who gets tactically out thought by every manager he comes up against.

    I’d be amazed if we improve, think it will only get worse if Pardew stays.

  • 92 ToonMobile // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    @ mindshaft 65
    I mentioned the fixtures last night. We really could be in deep trouble after the next 6 games looking at them on paper on the way the team are playing. The time for change is now I am afraid, giving Pardew anytime beyond last night is probably setting us up for the bottom of the table come Christmas if not before. Sunderland will probably get an impact for a few games from their new manager when that happens, and I’m afraid looking at how we played last night and against Hull, those fixtures don’t give me much confidence.

  • 93 Tinman // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Colo-sus,

    I can see the merits of playing some of the grafters, but I would probably give Krul another chance, he has been a very loyal servant to the club and has proved time and again he is quality.

    I can see the merits in dropping Ben Arfa as well. But with a decent coach this wouldn’t be necessary either.

  • 94 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Hmmm, I wonder can Santon and the other posters who shouted me down for saying Santon was a crap defender after a few games, now fess up ??? And I don’t care if Mourinho said he was the next Santa Claus. because Mourinho is wrong too!! santon has qualities, but close marking, fast tackling, and sensing danger are not amongst them. As for Mbiwa – I and Billson said at the start of the season that we had a poor defence, including Mbiwa in this. The guy can run fast, but he’s poor in the air and doesn’t manage space well. Debuchy is slow, but at least likes to tackle. Again, Simmo was a better defender, but this has been said before aswell. Finally I thought Sissoko was shocking last night. I rang a fellow Irish toon fan and called him a fraud. I watched him closely. He is a real wimp, given how big a man he is. Pardew – improve things fast or get out. TDS, will your friend Ashley be strong enough to sack him, given that he made YET ANOTHER MISTAKE in giving him such a long contract ??

  • 95 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    slank

    Fergie had broke the oldfirm grip on the scottish league and won a european cup….pardew has a runners up FA cup medal and paint trophy in his 10+ years managing.

    When he got us 5th it was impressive, but it wasn’t great football, just a lot of fight. Now the fight has gone there is nothing to carry us through.

    Pardew has had 3 years at the club and the quality of football we watch has deteriorated. He has had long enough, 3 years is plenty of time to at least show signs of improvement.

  • 96 Tinman // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Ron Van Dam,

    Your joking? Right?

    Surely if you were going to play a back 3 you would play Mbiwa–Willo–Collo

  • 97 ToonMobile // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Next six games for any of you interested…from post 65 in case you didn’t want to scroll back up :)

    Cardiff V Newcastle
    Newcastle V Liverpool
    Sunderland V Newcastle
    Newcastle V Man City – cup
    Newcastle V Chelsea
    Tottenham V Newcastle

  • 98 Colo-Sus // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    Tinman

    I like krul, but is he really that much better than Elliot?

    He is a good shot stopper but thats all for me, similar to scezney.

    The point is for me the soul has gone from our club, we are an empty shell now, i have no connection to the team anymore, I miss Nolan, Ryan Taylor even Barton, these lads played for us becaus ethey were proud too.

    We have lost our leaders, our battlers and our englishmen and it makes me sad.

  • 99 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    Slank

    Not when it’s his only top 6th finish in 16 years!!!

    Is nearly taking 3 different teams down not a sign of a bad manger?

    By the law of averages he was going to get 1 good season somewhere but even then bottled the CL places.

    So, so many extenuating factors for that lone good season, relying on individual moments of brilliance from Ben Arfa and 2 strikers in exceptional form, not to mention some outrageous good fortune with reffing decisions going our way.

    However, it was sandwiched between a 12th and 16th place finish, so normal service resumed very quickly and carried on this season. There’s only so many times you can be found out surely.

  • 100 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    munster

    the review of the players you mentioned there is entirely correct and in my opinion anyway.

    I think that debuchy can be a much better defender if he is reigned in, he just attacks too much and this can be controlled with management and a CB commanding him.

    Santon for me is poor and does little when he is forward anyway.

  • 101 Spellcheck // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Colo sus…. even with them TWELVE players, i dont live in hope!! 😉

  • 102 Belfast // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    The only French player that we signed last January who looks a premier league player is Gouffran in my opinion.

    I thought he was our best player last night, and he’s playing out of position. The rest of them don’t look like they give a shit tbh.

  • 103 Belfast // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Wow the next six games look awful lol

  • 104 BuckLuck // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Beattie25 @ 38

    Spot on mate!

  • 105 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Slank

    Well said – I can remember Everton hanging around the relegation area for a few seasons but they stuck by their principles of keeping Moyes and bring through youth when all around were shouting for the head of Moyes and owner Kenwright.

    Like to know how many youth players Everton have made the grade, starting with Rooney and now Barkley and Coleman who played last night

  • 106 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    Munster

    Errrr…how is Ashley my friend considering I’ve called him an egotistical pr**ck amongst other things?!

    The long contract means little. It’s bound to be riddled with clauses and incentives. Ashley may not be a football person but he’s not an idiot.

  • 107 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    Nolan, raylor and barton were hardly world beaters.
    Famed forever for coming back against a 10 man Arsenal!!

    Raylor could take a free kick but got murdered at left back more often than not.

    Nolan was a talker but relied on hopeful flick-ons from a big man but had no pace or creativity

    Barton played some good crosses in to Carroll but was an egotistical headcase and nearly cost QPR a previous relegation with his antics.

    If we had a decent manager we wouldn’t be giving a toss about the players’ nationalities.

  • 108 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    with respect moyes never won anything and alternated between good and bad seasons and is clearly out of his depth now.

  • 109 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    charlie

    it was one season down near relegation and they then have been pretty consistent in the top ten most of those years.

    They also had a system that people could see, hard to beat and gradually adding more flair and quality to the team. We do not have a system we play.

  • 110 Slank // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Charlie @ 105

    The ones I know of are:

    Richard Dunne
    Gavin McCann
    Tony Hibbert
    Leon Osman
    Victor Anichebe
    Francis Jeffers
    James Vaughan
    Jack Rodwell

    Given that Liverpool have two Premiership clubs and Lancashire has many more it is very impressive what Everton have achieved.

  • 111 Slank // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Transfer Sage @ 109

    Everton were able to achieve that possibly because they kept the same manager who perfected a way of playing.

  • 112 Slank // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    Rotonda @ 108

    Everyone knew that it was a poisoned chalice after Fergie whoever it was going to be.

  • 113 cyprus // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Spot on for calling you retards eh

  • 114 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Transfer
    Not at the moment but would it get better if we kept changing managers etc.,
    I think it was quite a few years they were around the relegation spot at Christmas but seem to have kicked on most seasons.

  • 115 fatman // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    i read all your post as i think your views balance mine and others, i just feel that you defend Ashley too much, to the level you seem too close to the bloke, i think Ashlys digging a big hole for himself by failing to sort the managerial problem out he should get a new man in and put Pardew in one of his stores stacking shelves, but i bet he would make an ar*e of that also.

  • 116 Rotonda heights // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    Yes but Moyes has never won anything. Strange CV to be at United. Could you ever see United appointing Pardew which is what some people seem to want to compare Pardew to!

  • 117 mattnufc // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    @belfast
    I agree. It doesn’t matter what formation/players used, the team looks very unmotivated, possibly due to dissolution with Ashley and Pardew, e.g. lack of ambition shown in transfer window and almost getting relegated last season, and players wanting to go. Only Gouffran looks bothered and why he looks better than anyone else. Team needs to show some spirit before performances improve.

  • 118 Wandering Geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    @ Beattie

    Nice one M8 spot on

  • 119 Small World // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    count // Oct 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    If you’re having a problem with the ads, it is most likely you that needs to sort it out. Either you or somebody who uses your computer has been surfing porn sites. Hence your problem. Boring old me gets ads related to insurance or car leasing.

    Most of the ads served up closely reflect your computer activity and perceived interests.

  • 120 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    charlie

    true, they often started the season bad and picked up. But they developed a style from the start that worked, only one really bad whole year for him at everton.

    Our problem is after 3 years i see no indication in the way we want to play, except for wonder goals from hba, cabaye or cisse. We struggle to do anything as a team, whether its attacking or defending.

    Slank

    They had a manager who knew a system he wanted, we do not, we are no closer to finding our right system than the day he took over. There has been no progress.

    I think stability isn’t key, pardew is the second longest serving manager in the league now and we aren’t good. In spain there is no manager who has served longer than 2 years.

    What you need these days is a solid technical director/chairman who has identified a way to play and uses the scout/manager/coaches to bring in the right players and right style of play the club want, like swansea have, lots of changes in players and manager but always improving and always in a similar style so there never needs to be a squad over haul.

  • 121 Fostino // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    team for next week maybe

    krul

    debuchy Williamson colo dummett

    hba tiote cabaye gosling Sammy

    remy

    4 English players

  • 122 martoon // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    I’m gutted as the rest of you about last night but I’m absolutely amazed that after this Blog has been deathly quiet recently one bad defeat and out of the woodwork come Beattie, Catchy and co with another chance to bash Pardew, where were you after our reasonably good start to the season?

  • 123 jackostoon // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Afternoon folks,
    After watching the first half last night there was one word that summed it up for me DISGRACEFUL, better second half with pardew making much needed substitutions, but I now feel that it’s time for him to go, seems like a canny fella, but unfortunately he’s putting out a team which represents this wonderful city and it’s people, he’s clueless and let’s be honest tactically inept. I’m not one of those on here ready to walk up and down Northumberland St with placards saying the world is nigh, or time for change for that matter, but he really needs to go now to save us further embarrassment, he’s had plenty of time.
    Tsd, good shout my friend regarding hoddle.

  • 124 Assam Toon // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    DID PARDEW OFFER TO RESIGN??

    http://hereisthecity.com/2013/10/01/alan-pardew-newcastle-manager-sacked-resign-mike-ashley-everton/?

  • 125 Transfer Sage // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    martoon

    I can see how people get annoyed by pardew, i would love a new manager, but i don’t but everything down to him. Same way i don’t but everything down to ashley either.

    I think there is a lot wrong with the club currently and think there needs to be a total overhaul from top to bottom and if ashley isn’t the man willing to do that I think he should step aside and find a buyer.

  • 126 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    What will happen in the aftermath of yesterday’s defeat?

    Will Ashley sack Pards?
    Will he be remotely bothered?
    Will he start spending money in transfer windows?
    Will Jfk come to his senses, i.e. if he has any?

    Hope something changes but I doubt it.

  • 127 toonking // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    so pardew offered to resign after that everton game.

    sounds to me like he is now getting sick and tired of having to put up with the treatment he has currently at Newcastle.

    I myself was saying all along why I liked simmo more than an attacking FB and also why Jonas was always used as the winger.

    what pardew does is just uses words it’s up to the players how they do positionally on the pitch.

    every single week that I look at this team it looks more and more like a 2009 team filled with players who have no passion.

    my team on Saturday against Cardiff is this

    krul
    debuchy__willo__colo__dummett
    __cabaye___anita____sissoko
    _goufran___remy_____sammy

  • 128 Mister Tuff // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    I see a repeat of last season. I cannot see us getting a lot of points in the next few games. Hence the panic and despair will gain ground. We have not had any injuries yet – they will surely appear – not looking good trying to get by on a wing and a payer. Coloccini has regressed -he ball watches and completely misses where the opposition forwards are.
    I expect, as last year, some emergency purchases in the January sales.
    It’s all happening again – the club is not being run properly and the standard of play is not good.

  • 129 Mister Tuff // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    error payer = prayer.

  • 130 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 1, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    A late draw yesterday would have only papered over the cracks.

    Why o why does pardew keep taking Anita off, Tiote could have been sent off and Barry certainly.

  • 131 theartfuldodger // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    The only direction I see Pardew taking now is to make this lineup more defensive slowly one or two players a week,till it works.
    It will start with dummett and jonas.

  • 132 kevymartins // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    MA to take over Rangers? They went into administration today. there done like.

  • 133 kevymartins // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    http://videocelts.com/2013/10/blogs/latest-news/sevco-try-to-bury-14m-of-losses

  • 134 Scouse_geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Yeah because we should have started with an attacking formation against the only unbeaten side in the league and a team that’s not lost at home in 2013, and with arguably our most creative midfielder with a groin strain…. clueless. THIS ISN’T FOOTBALL MANAGER!

  • 135 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    We saw Mackems lose to liverpool, at least they put in effort.

    Did cisse touch the ball when he came on.

  • 136 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    No proof that Pardew offered to resign, just speculation from TalkSport which is normally full of crap.

    Rangers aren’t in administration.

    Two things that some people post as fact when they shouldn’t. It’s no wonder so many people are so poorly informed…

  • 137 kevymartins // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    @TDS there going out of business you baboon.

  • 138 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Kevymartins

    Proof?

  • 139 Scouse_geordie // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    And another thing, if we do sack Pardew no decent manager in the world would touch our club with a ten foot barge pole. An Owner who isn’t the slightest bit ambitious,who isn’t willing to spend any money he might not get back, frankly a very overrated squad which lacks severely in talent and us as fans who still believe we are the best in the county but would no doubt be up there for fickle fans of the year award.

    The harsh realty is we aren’t the team we used to be, our support isn’t as vociferous as it was, and we are at best a mid table club.

  • 140 kevymartins // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    @TDS http://www.thefootballlife.co.uk/post/62798421031/rangers-accounts-2013

    Just a matter of time and they will get a point deduction again.

  • 141 Colo-Sus // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Pardew isnt the problem, Ashley is the problem.

    Mind you, Gary Neville hot the nail on the head last night! Young English players NEED GAME TIME!

    Id play Gosling, Dummett, Sammy etc or at least bring them on each week. Dan Gosling was in Evertons team EVERY week under Moyes,

    We could do worse than give the kid a proper run of games instead of Sissoko, who im sorry is 110% bang average.

    At least we would have a bit of pride about us,

    ==================Elliott=================
    Debuchy======Wilo======Colo======Dummett
    =============Anita====Cabaye============
    Gouffran========Gosling===========Obertan
    ===============Remy==================

    Worth a go

  • 142 kevymartins // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    It’s all over the internet: http://bmcrangersrants.wordpress.com/2013/10/01/you-asked-now-you-know/

  • 143 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    But where does it say that they went into administration again today? It doesn’t.

  • 144 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    TDS, I say Ash is your friend because you seem to spend half your life defending him, instead of reaslising that we are not all wrong! I do know however that you have been quite balanced. At times! I have to still say – where would we be without the Carroll money? Most clubs haven’t had that …I wonder how little we would have spent without it? I haven’t been on the blog in a while but hope you can appreciate that we are being ridden and rogered by this man. Minimal outlay for max SD exposure…and he is a bit of an idiot mate….he has made too many poor decisions to be considered clever. He may be good at making money in retail, but that’s where it stops…

  • 145 kevymartins // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    @TDS there it’s not confirmed yet, but come on everyone knows it’s going to happen, there running out of options, come june they won’t be able to pay wages.

  • 146 Toon XI // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    For you Pardew backers out there….

    If you don’t think a manager makes a difference and Pardew is not part of the problem just look at ManU. Moyes has essentially the same team SAF won the title with last year and he isn’t getting done to date. Moyes had success at Everton but is lost at ManU.

    Pardew is lost at NUFC period.

  • 147 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    I think the fact that we didn’t compete for the big ( Chelsea) Everton striker says a lot about our lack of planning and ambition. Lets face it Everton are no Real Madrid. We could have tried. And puleeze don’t say that we might have tried. We didn’t.

  • 148 Colo-Sus // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Im not saying Gosling is the answer to all of our prayers, but the kid has played well this season and in pres season, he gets in and around the strikers and is decent in the air.

    Would love to see him get a proper chance.

  • 149 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Any more thoughts on my new Fraudster – Sissoko? Really annoyed me watching him shy out of tackles and not putting in the required effort….

  • 150 Colo-Sus // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Munster

    I agree, I dont rate him at all. Poor feet. Lacks bottle.

    We need steel, we need English players

    We need our soul back.

    We are a joke Shell of a club,

    Sir Bobby would be close to tears to see his club the way it is now. He believed in younf english talent,
    Jenas, Woodgate, Dyer, Ambrose I could go on.

    Our system and blueprint is awful and we are an embarrassment to English football.

  • 151 Toon XI // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Munster…it seems to me that in the past 5-6 years French players can’t bother at the club or national level.

  • 152 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    I doubt Moyes would have got the Man U job if he was not from Glasgeee. Just a thought. When we signed Sissoko I thought we had a potential new Viera. I consider myself and very good judge of a player ( most of my assessments have turned out correct ) but I reckoned we had a new Viera on our hands! Honest!

  • 153 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Toon XI , a good point re Moyes. Give him time, but I always felt this “son of Fergie” thing got him the job….

  • 154 kevymartins // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    @Munster mag same here, but it’s turning out we got the cheapest cheapest version of a ya ya toure.

  • 155 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Colo Sus, with all due respect, English football can eat its own turds as far as this Munster man could care….:)

  • 156 Toon XI // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    I genuinely believe that Pardew does not have the respect of the players now.

  • 157 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    @ toon X1

    Exactly m8 .

    This isn’t a kick about with your friends and you just play anywhere and do what you want.

    This is proffessional football at the highest level and players are briefed before every game on the opposition, what they should & shouldn’t do and how to set up defensiveley.

  • 158 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Boys, you should have seen the Hurling final here in Ireland last week. This is without doubt, the greatest field sport in the world, and the game itself was just stunning. An incredible spectacle. Speed , skill, bravery, toughness, desire, fan involvement, love of community. It has everything that football doesn’t have any more. Seriously, it was the greatest sports spectacle I think I have ever seen.

  • 159 kevymartins // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Once again last night he did not admit that he got his team selection or tactics wrong? I give pardrew 10-10 for the effort he put in and dealing with them other retards at the club but that being said it’s time for him to go.

  • 160 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    Toon XI , I agree totally. I said same after we lost to Brighton and the reserves didn’t lift a leg. I think he’s a likeable man, but surely NUFC can do better.

  • 161 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Getting smashed by multiple goals isn’t a one off in a Pardew team.

    Even in the fith place season our goal difference was poor and we have two new players in the back four in Debuchy (French international) and M’biwa (Title winning French international) . Arguably better than what we had.

    Do players suddenly come here and look average (highly unlikeley) or is it the management and coaching staff ? . I know what my money is on.

  • 162 toonking // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    I am not backing pardew in the manner that he is world class because he isn’t he is just a average mid table manager.

    what I am saying is he is what i call a slave manager.

    nearly every transfer window during his time has seem chaos weather it be players leaving without a replacement or a team which doesn’t build it’s depth. then of course the scouting system itself is just so poor. every single year if we buy a player you know they are most likely going to arrive from the ligue 1 and are French. france are no longer the team we used to know they are worse than England just ask arsene wenger or any arsenal fan who’s team was packed full of French.
    if a team consists of foreigners then what they should be are Spanish german dutch Brazilian argentian or Belgium, otherwise we should be using british.

    british players might not be a good national side but they have a difference they have got the passion for british football already built into them. we saw that with willo dummett and Sammy on Wednesday.

  • 163 Colo-Sus // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Munster

    We are an English club, I mean British players too!!

    The likes of MCarthy etc….We should have been in for him its just not good enough

  • 164 Toon XI // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Our defending has been shocking for a year now. Pardew can’t seem to get through to his players and therefore must go.

    I fear relegation if Pardew stays. We are a better team on paper than we are seeing on the field of play.

  • 165 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Well where the hell do we go from here!!

    We were absolutely shocking last night, made our performance against hull look top class, the way lukaku and Barkley ghosted through our defence time and time again was unreal
    Seriously wtf has happened to our players????
    Krul was a complete mess last night, colo and yanga looked like those yellow training dummie, tiote n sissoko were absolutely awful, the only player who actually looked interested isn’t even our fcuking player!!!!! At least cabs looked somewhere near the old cabs

    Pardew was right about on thing, last night was simply unacceptable

    Something needs to change, now, not in January, not in other 5-6 games, right now
    The question is does that fat idiot have a clue about how to move forward? We sack pardew, then what? Is MA smart enough to have had a short list drawn up? Does he know the kind of manage and philosophy he wants put in place? Or would it simply be which ever one of mates stumbles through the door first?

    Do we trust MA to replace the manager??? No chance we don’t even have a managing director ffs!!!

  • 166 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Colo Sus….dude, you need a geography lesson. I aint British either! From Limerick mate, in province of Munster. But hard core Toon fan for a long time, and have travelled many miles and drank many pints with you Geordie nutters! :)

  • 167 kevymartins // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Who would have thought the defence would have fell apart after simo leaves lol #Bringbacksimo #Bringbacksimo

    We need some off the real gritty grinder passionate players brought back

    Barton
    Nolan
    Simo

  • 168 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    It all goes back to the idiot Ashley …no competition for the job once Pardew got the nomination from Casino man. Look at Southampton by contrast.

  • 169 kevymartins // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    Nolan and Barton were the heart of our team and MA pulled the heart out by selling them.

  • 170 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    sadly, the two goals will help to save Pardew. What did he say after game? I missed it. Please say he said ” We was a fret” !! :)

  • 171 Munster Mag // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    Fret = threat , obviously.

  • 172 Colo-Sus // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Munster

    My Apologies, being a huge rugby fan I did know Munster is in the republic, I just pool you guys in with us sometimes, suppose due to the LIONS etc. My point relates to Irish players too, Home nations and Ireland etc.

    We have too many French players, we might as well play in Ligue 1

  • 173 jimiley // Oct 1, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    We can all breathe easily. JONAS to the rescue!!!!!!

  • 174 theartfuldodger // Oct 1, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    TADS,
    Exactly..Where the hell do we go from here !!
    Pardew is gonna make the team defensive using dummett and jonas. He will slowly revert to his forte.

    Kinnear would be interviewing managers if needed ..

    Ashley has no contacts at all I think, only football person he knows is Kinnear which is why he is back. Other football ppl are against him eg Keegan,Shearer. Cause he isnt a football guy. He is a business man and not many ppl,like us fans, buy into his ideas.

  • 175 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 1, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    Going to be controversial

    To me going to the matches and watching most of the TOON this season. The TOON have changed their style of play.

    From Hoofball over the past years to keeping it on the deck, passing and moving.

    But playing that way they need to be a bit more patient instead of stringing five or six passes together then launching the ball in the air keep a hold of the ball a bit longer and wait for the moment to pass the ‘killer ball’

    To be honest except the West Ham game I have enjoyed watching the TOON a lot more this season but not the results so far but I think they are getting there.




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