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Pardew, Ashley And Kinnear Had Good Meeting This Week

5:02 pm, Thursday, October 3rd, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 135 Comments

Alan Pardew talked with the local Newcastle press this afternoon, and of course he talked about the game coming up on Saturday at Cardiff, and also the match last Monday against Everton, when we were hopeless with no fight in the first half, and we looked a good side with loads of spirit in the second half – so go figure that one out.

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Mike Ashley with Joe Kinnear picking his nose on Monday night

But Alan has said his Newcastle team must be consistent and play well over the full 90 minutes and that will be the emphasis on Saturday.

And Alan revealed he had asked for a meeting with Mike Ashley and Joe Kinnear after the disastrous game at Everton, and two successive league defeats.

This is some of what Alan Pardew said this afternoon:

“It was important to go and see the owner after a game like that, and see we know where we are coming from.” “We had a good meeting after with me, Mike and Joe.”

“Just to make sure we know exactly what is going on, on the pitch and in terms of the result.” “There was nothing untoward.”

Nevertheless there is now significant pressure on Alan and the players to get a decent result, and hopefully it will be a win at Cardiff City on Saturday, otherwise we’ll have to stew in another poor result for two weeks during the International break.

And then we have Liverpool at home in the next league game – now let’s think how did we do in the corresponding game last season?

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135 responses so far ↓

  • 1 theartfuldodger // Oct 3, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    “Just to make sure we know exactly what is going on, on the pitch and in terms of the result”

    Really ? Can you tell us as well…

  • 2 Assam Toon // Oct 3, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    I actually want us to lose next few matches,provided it escorts pardew out of the building. And then with kinnear in charge,the players would deliberately underperform giving rise to a di canioish situation. And then a new manager in january, a couple of good signings and a blistering end to the season…ok now will pass over the thing I was smoking.

  • 3 phatt knacker // Oct 3, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    This season has a chance to slip away already due to the effect on confidence the balls up in the summer has had. we might be level on points with man u but look at the fixtures they have played and then think how many points we would have got?!?!? not as many as we have now :-(

    This club needs a major change and the sooner the better

  • 4 Levi // Oct 3, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    Lots of teams have 2 different centre backs. Its not that yanga is a bad player its that the pairing doesn’t work with colo. They are both great readers of the game but aren’t strong enough in the air or physical enough.

  • 5 GeordieDan // Oct 3, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    What a load of bollox!

    Didn’t these 3 cretins have a “good meeting” a couple of months ago about incoming transfers?

    A good meeting to them seems to be a piss up followed by a conversation about anything BUT the benefit of our club!

    Utter, utter bollox

  • 6 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    The fight back against Everton was a very good sign but it has to be followed up with a good performance against Cardiff. If we collapse for even a half again it will look very grim for Pardew. The inconsistency of our play is probably what is going to get him sacked. I hope Ashley regains his sanity and hires a good manager. Last chance Mike.

  • 7 geoff777 // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    It would be a good idea for Pardew to get a couple of young coaches in with more energy than Stone and Carver. Great guys but neither can move fast enough to really get involved and push the sessions along at a pace.

    Start with passing, crossing, corners and free kicks. We waste so many opportunities.
    Teach Cisse the offside rule.

  • 8 Ashton // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    That’s not a good meeting. Ashley telling Pardew to leave would be a good meeting.

  • 9 John Tudor // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    a fightback against a confident side 3-0 up playing out in second gear
    yeah right

  • 10 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    Were you not a bit encouraged by the second half John Tudor @9? We might have given up entirely and it could have ended 5-0. I liked the response when Cabaye came on and both he and Remy didn’t let their heads drop. I’ve been very critical of Pardew and will continue to be when we play poorly but I’m hoping to see something far better against Cardiff. It’s just hope until it happens mind.

  • 11 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    geoff777 @7 a very good idea so it probably won’t be adopted by us. It would point the finger too clearly at the coaches and the manager mate.

  • 12 zimtoon // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Ed so as you claim mapou has had 2 bad games out of 27 he is now a shit player, be serious please for the sake of the blog

  • 13 toon kk // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    One of the MASIVE problems within the club is its run and owned by people who don’t know enough about football.
    Mashley should sit down with some reliable adviser’s with knowledge and sort this mess out. The whole mess is filtering down to the players, alot of them arnt pulling their weight. I honestly don’t think it’s a happy camp. There’s alot going on and getting covered up, from bad training to team attitude.
    The whole club needs a good shake up.

  • 14 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    I am IMO afraid that mapou is not a bad player per say he has loads of natural talent but does not have a football brain
    This unfortunately separates the average from the excellent
    He will be an average player not dissimilar to Titus in many ways but not in any way what we were led to believe we had bought .mr Carr dropped a bollock

  • 15 catchy in norway // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    is there some master plan us mortals don’t know about?

    not even sir alex knows about this one 😉

    oh hope the owner bought it cos I don’t

    your shit and you know you are,your shit and you know you are

  • 16 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Dafoe still a great striker at 31. So deadly in the box.

  • 17 Munster Mag // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    TDS, you’re wrong I’m afraid. Ashley’s advertising is not comparable to Hall’s. Big whooptee do – he bought Sissoko – do we fall on our knees and cry with happiness? He treated Shearer like shit. He treated KK like shit and KK won in court. It wasnt ludicrous to appoint KK – it was ludicrous to mess him around. It was lusicrous to appoint Pardew ( which amazed the footballing world ) , without competition. Ashley is an idiot in terms of football club ownership. And stop trotting out the advertisng story – he stripped St James of the name, and has tarted it up with SD, on the pretensions of making money via another sponsor which wasnt going to happen. Big brands dont want heir name with negative connotations amongst the public. Sad fans were willing to sell their clubs soul because he told you that you might get a few mill a year – well stuff that, I’d rather we kept the name. Call me when Liverpool fans start accpting shit like that about Anfield. The broad picture on Ashley is negative. He is reducing our expectations to mediocrity, although we have such a well supported club wioth a famous( ish ) name. We are not progressing, and we wont progress. You defend him all you want mate, whilst calling him a prick or whatever you said . I understand that you dont want people highlighting unfair errors, but he clearly has caused enough crap that exaggeration isnt needed. Incidentally, people ( like u, I dunno ? ) shouted that I didnt understand his objectives a few years ago when I decried his continuing lack of real investment. All I was asking was for fair money to be spent each season building the team and squad. Its not going to happen TDS. Right now, we need probably 3 decent players to really progress. Thats not going to happen. But hey, if we invest we’ll become like Leeds and we dont want that do we? Fear fear fear , when its ambition that we need.

  • 18 catchy in norway // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    “if I’m honest”

    I think (hope) I was a vote of confidence 😉 from big mike who looked like he had put all his weight back on,
    he looked so trim before the summer

  • 19 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    All we as supporter can do is hope that Ashley sees his current method isn’t working either for him or the supporters. He’s got a 16th place team again, not a mid table one. He’s in danger of losing his money. The method clearly hasn’t worked. You can’t go half way. Buy foreign internationals and then have a mediocre English manager who has never managed a series of decent seasons with anyone. And Kinnear obviously isn’t the answer either. Stop with the lackeys Ashley before it really is too late and you lose your money, the only thing you really care about.

  • 20 John Tudor // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    not really everton backed off they could have scored more
    parpoos useless tictacs caused us to conceded too many he will get us sent down

  • 21 scout // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    70 goals conceded last season and 11 in 6 games this year. Seriously need to move colo on

  • 22 askar // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Ciaran:
    – My comments are always directed at you because it is a joy to talk with you and exciting to have your points about NUFC states :-)
    – I know that you don’t want to see our team do badly :-)

    I guess what you mean: Tiote is not Anita and Willo<Mbiwa or Taylor but I am including Willo and Tiote in our 11 because we need strong player with enough mass to hit with plenty of heat.

    I really think that fierce competition will help us to win.

    Ruddy: I will bet that we are going to be in the top four :-)

  • 23 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Ok fair enough John Tudor. I’m not going to try to defend Pardew. He’s hopeless. It will never get consistently better under him but I don’t want Joe in his place so don’t even think about it Mike.

  • 24 Tommyy // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    For me it’s not a case of good player bad player, it’s all relative to how we set up, how we’re coached and how we’re utilised as a team.

    Take for instance the huge number of clubs who have been in the Premier League with far poorer squads on paper, they play to their strengths and are always well structured, organised and driven I.e the core traits of any successful side in history.

    We have none of those traits and that lies entirely with the management, they’ve allowed the players to become unorganised, confused and underperforming.

    We desperately need an authoritarian who can shake up the dressing room and get this team organised and motivated, we need a structure.

  • 25 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Askar @22 you’re starting to sound like Kets mate. We’re “going to be in the top four”???? So we’re just hiding in the weeds in 16th, losing to Hull at home, collapsing against Everton. It’s all just a clever ruse by Pardew then?

  • 26 John Tudor // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    if parps goes and kinnear came in how long afore his ticker explodes when colo and cabs tell him to shove it

  • 27 Tommyy // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Might I add, not to the detriment of our flair and attacking prowess. But there are many such coaches out there. I’m becoming sick and tired of watching teams every single week have more organisation and structure than we do. The last side I can remember having less than us was QPR last season. It’s every single week, even when we win we don’t look like a capable side, and no I do not count the odd 20 minutes of decent football nor the huge volume of individual goals.

  • 28 Tommyy // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    The only positive about Kinnear will be organisation, there are no others.

  • 29 Ciaran // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    Askar

    I am Ruddy, so you directed both parts of your comment to the same person! 😀

    Tiote and Willo may bring a bit more strength, but what we’re losing out in quality will make us worse than we already are (and we’re pretty awful on the field)

    Cardiff away will be no walk in the park, and with a disastrous next 4 games after it we really need 3 points on Saturday.

  • 30 scout // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    Good defenders don’t let in 70 goals in a season. Get some new defenders in who can turn around quickly and are speedy.

  • 31 scout // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    We have no chance against Cardiff.

  • 32 scout // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    If you backed us to lose 3-2 every game. You’ll be up even if it didn’t come in again this season

  • 33 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Spurs have allowed 2 goals in all games played so far Sharpy mate. Seven clean sheets. Dafoe has 5 goals from 7 shots!! How are we going to do against them? It’s very scary looking ahead.

  • 34 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Sorry posting on another blog as well. Although perhaps Sharpy will see it on here also! It’s still a valid point. How are we going to do against Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs?

  • 35 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    GeordieTwo

    Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs could run riot against us as our last two games have shown we can not defend against simple, routine attacks.

    The Cardiff and Sunderland games are massively important to us now as even players are saying its a must win game and it’s only game 7 of the season

  • 36 toonicle // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    Where is all this “we fought back well against Everton” coming from? They relaxed and laid off for the most part second half and we only got back into the game because of 1 good free kick from Cabaye. It’s not like we were playing them off the field or something.

  • 37 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    Spurs are a successful club and getting better. AVB is a good manager and learning the Prem now. We are not a well owned or managed club. We are floundering thanks to a very poor owner with no real idea how to improve things short of hiring another flunky.

  • 38 The next Mike Williamson // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    What worries me the most is that Kinnear will be picking the next four or five managers, meaning we’re going to get english long ball managers. Expect Frank Clark, George Graham, Ron Atkinson or Howard Wilkinson.

    He’s so out of touch with the modern game.

    Pardew is shocking. He’s got 6 new players in since last January and 5 of them should be settled by now so he hasn’t got the excuse diCanio had.

    If I was manager I’d play Dummet as he defends more than Santon/ Debuchy but Pards won’t. Instead he’ll mention that he gave Chamberlain his chance in League 1 and played Noble when he was 16 and leave Dummet on the bench and say he’s knocking on the door.

  • 39 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Spot on Jack Butler @35. You’re absolutely right. As for the fight back toonicle @36 I’m grasping at one of the only straws available. We are sh*te this season for the most part. If it continues against Cardiff Pardew should go before we face some much tougher teams.

  • 40 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    toonicle

    Perhaos if we had bothered to turn up in the first half a fight back wouldn’t have been needed!!!

    But saying that we never seem capable of putting 90 minutes performance together under Pardew

  • 41 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Munster Mag

    Are you incapable of looking at things from the other side? And are you incapable of wording things in a balanced way? I’m not sure why you are fixated on Sissoko, I think I just agreed with someone at some point that if Ashley is to get all this stick for the club’s current situation, he also deserves some praise for some of the good things. You can’t blame him for other manager’s under-performance and yet not praise him when his staff over-perform.

    He didn’t treat Shearer like shit. From what I understand Shearer (after 1 win in 8??) demanded a £20M transfer budget to get us promoted. Shearer was a great player and is a passionate fan but egotistical Mike Ashley won’t gel with egotistical passionate fan.

    And it was ludicrous to appoint KK for the same reason. Ashley is the boss and he dictates how the club is to be run. If he wanted to ensure there was a tight reign on transfers then he shouldn’t have hired a maverick like KK. It was a mistake because those 2 are like chalk and cheese.

    Pardew wasn’t a bad appointment, just wasn’t a great one either. He was a solid choice that’s all.

    I’d rather we kept the name of the stadium too, I totally agree. But I never really felt the name went, hardly anyone used it.

    You talk about fair money being spent, but surely we should only spend the money that we have? We’ve already got a lot of debt and we know Ashley isn’t a fan of more debt, plus the new FFP rules discourage it. The whole principle of modern football is to only spend what you generate. So what we really need to do is generate more money!

  • 42 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Another scary thing is that West Ham and Fulham may pass us as well in the next few games, mainly depending on their schedules versus ours. It’s ridiculous but we might be 18th come early November. Would Pardew still be with us then? I certainly hope not. Maybe the men with the butterfly nets will have come for Ashley as well.

  • 43 toonicle // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Geordie- Very true, I like your attempt at optimism at least!

    Jack- Can’t remember the last good 90 minutes in a league game. We had some good performances in Europa last year but that’s about it.

  • 44 Ian Toon // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Munster Mag- I am very well thanks and i trust you are ! Just calm down my old mucker – things can only get better.

    Who really knows what Ashley’s main goal is now. Based upon his personal involvement in signings in January it was survival and to protect his investment and to secure the increased television money but many argue its not much more than getting his cash back and little else. If Journalism were my chosen profession I would , through an investigative campaign, seek to get answers to the why’s and what’s that we all want answering. Too many are prepared to accept his recluse like existence because its difficult. What a scoop unfortunately too many in the north east just pay lip service.

    The sad fact is that Leeds United despite not having the 50,000 gates at this moment in time could well represent a better investment opportunity than the toon. Bates was an old miser running a tight ship. He was despised by their fans as much as we despise Ashley.

    Anyway, it is also not helped by the fact that Ashley has a limited understanding of football and we can’t really be sure he fully appreciates what is required to be successful at this level . However he is on the record as saying that he would spend £20 million a season on new signings. I can almost hear you saying he can’t be trusted!

  • 45 John Tudor // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    of course ashleys faulty he should have tumbled what 49.000 fans have and sacked him when they finished 5th

  • 46 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Ian Toon

    I remember the £20M comment too. Wasn’t it along the lines of that he would be willing to bankroll the club to the tune of £20M a season for the foreseeable future? I’m not sure whether that meant an interest free loan or gift but this was before the KK debacle and the death threats Oh I wonder if things could have been so different…

  • 47 askar // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Ciaran=Ruddy=the same person is very good to know that :-)

    GeordieTwo:

    We still have a long way to go, but I am very optimistic fan. I am only interested in the past when I can learn something from it.
    – We lost 3 games,
    – We won 2 and
    – We drew 1,
    Just like ManU. SO WHAT? IMO we are a good side. We have 11 international players:

    1. Krull: holland
    2. Santon: Italia
    3. Deb: France
    4. Colo: Argentina
    5. Mbiwa: France
    5. Cabay: France
    7. Sissoko: France
    8. Tiote: Ivory Cost
    9. Arfa: France
    10. Remy: France
    11. Cisse: France

    We will finish in the top four. That is my bet and That is my opinion :-)

    Next game: win and then ==>
    – We lost 3 games,
    – We won 3 and
    – We drew 1,

    :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

  • 48 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Ian Toon

    For Ashley we are a business venture that has gone wrong and he will offload us at the first opportunity and you’d have to think that when he’s done with us Ranger could well be his next prodject

  • 49 John Tudor // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    pass me the bostik

  • 50 fatman // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    are you serious that Pardew wasn’t a bad choice he was a shocking choice, i said the day he arrived we would get to this point, not because i have a crystal ball, but simply checking his cv. his tenure at ST James has gone the way of every other job hes had and he’s won nothing, and the 5th place was a fluke i remember going home from games asking the lads i was with to explain how we got points, it was erratic as it is now we have gone in a circle ground hog day, i have been hear before. Pardew’s a total p*ick.

  • 51 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    JackButler

    I think that sums it up, although I don’t think he’ll offload at the first opportunity, I think he’ll offload at the best opportunity for himself. i.e. if the club has 2/3 top 10 finishes then it becomes more attractive, but it also needs to be self sustaining. Tough balance…

    And I don’t think that’s 100% why he bought it at first. He just acted like an idiot in trying to be a fan and a business owner. Got carried away…

  • 52 kt97toonarmy // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Askar. Optimistic. But mad

  • 53 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Ok askar those are your predictions mate. We’ll revisit this when the games have been played. I expect very few points from the next 6 games unless Pardew is sacked and we get a real manager. I’ve already outlined why many times mate.

  • 54 John Tudor // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    bring on ian bogie

  • 55 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    fatman

    Yeah, I’m serious. He’s on ok manager but I’d rather we had someone better than just ok. I don’t think he’s too different to Hughton to be honest, but obviously a bit more malleable…

  • 56 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    So many of us predicted we would be at or around the drop zone again, and we’d be getting the same old worrying performances. It wasn’t hard to predict and so it has proved.

    If Pardew drops Benny, the man who has bailed him out so many times, it must surely prove to those who want to give him more time just what a clueless numpty he is. Has he got the wit to find a suitable role for the most gifted player at the club? And what will it say for him if he resurrects Willo, the man he dismissed as “the other guy” when he dumped him in the hinterlands?

  • 57 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    He wants shot of us as soon as possible, to the point where I think he’ll take the first offer that allows him to break even and walk away and until then he will run us on the lowest possible outlay and we’ll do nothing but survive as a consiquence

  • 58 lesh // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Luca_Zingaretti_2010.JPG

    Here’s Shearer ar the Gosforth Amateur Dramatics Society

  • 59 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    JB

    You could be right but there’s really no way of knowing as we’re not exactly going to get honesty out of the man…

    Lowest possible outlay though…the only point of that would be to increase the club’s bank balance. No, it makes more sense to continue the policy of only signing players if the deal is right. Sign a £10M player for £5M and you’ve effectively increased the value of the club by £5M. That’s what he’s trying to do…

    He’s done it with SD too. He’d offer £200M to buy a business and they’d say no, then he’d target them commercially so a years later they’d be in trouble, approach him and he’d end up buying it for £50M. That’s his style.

  • 60 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    lesh

    What are you on mate?

  • 61 fatman // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    yes a good choice if you want to go down, if we don’t dump him soon the momentum will start tipping again until we pass the point of no return and cant be saved. the man claims to have balls of steel more like a rabbit in the headlight he freezes.

  • 62 John Tudor // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    spanish gold

  • 63 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    He’s been running us on the lowest possible outlay for some time now. All those players that came during January only did so because our place in the league was under serious threat, if we had been sitting pretty in mid table we would not have seen them.

    He gambled last summer and has done so again this summer and no doubt if/when we are in trouble come January next year he’ll agree to spend again as what he pays out on transfers is peanuts to what we will lose if we are relegated. But it’s sickening that he is actually prepared to gamble with our future……………the sooner he’s gone and taken his bumbling minions with him the better. Just hope he does make moves on Rangers and tries the same stunts he’s tried down here as he’ll be run out of town in a heart beat

  • 64 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    fatman

    I didn’t really care whether he stayed or went over the Summer to be honest. If he’d have gone then it would only have been worth it for a proper upgrade in my opinion.

    So once the decision was made that he would stay, I said that he needed to be given a chance. Well I think his chance will be over soon…surely he’ll be gone by the end of this month if things going really improve. SBR was sacked for a lot less!

  • 65 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    I’m so impressed with the 7th year of the 5 year plan. It’s going swimmingly

  • 66 jimiley // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    It was a great meeting. They sacked each other. The three muppets are gone!!!!!

  • 67 lesh // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    There’s Kinnear demonstrating that he can pick his friend, he can pick his nose, but he cannot pick his friend’s nose!

    What a wonder he is to his adoring fan! And you’ll also see that he and Ashley are playing Spot the Newcastle United players. Pick five without looking at the programme and the winner gets a fairly fresh Geeggs pasty.

    No pi$$Ing about wi them lads when they’re on the lash eh!

  • 68 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    JB

    All this stuff about money though…you realise that it’s the club’s money? And it isn’t going anywhere?

    The facts are that he took back £11M of his £29M short-term loan and has deferred the option to take the remaining £18M (was supposed to be this season).

    So if we spent more then that’s the club going into more debt. If we spend less then the club’s bank balance improves for the next window.

    It’s not his money that goes into the running of the club, it’s the club’s money.

    Some people seem to think that NUFC’s money, MA’s money and SD’s money are all the same thing. Not true.

  • 69 fatman // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    the next one has to be the right one no good going for some because they work for minimum wage we need someone up and coming that does not know our history, so hes not frightened off. theirs a spare place for a new icon just need the balls to take the chance.

  • 70 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    The goal for this season? 15th place. Slow but steady progress.

  • 71 mattnufc // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    @TDS
    Every team gets approximately £25m (Deloitte) more in TV money this season. Considering we made a £1m profit last year, we do have the money. Should have spent some of that cash, as almost every other team did in the League.

  • 72 askar // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie:

    Pardew will not drops Arfa because Arfa is OUR star and OUR best player. You can’t drop Messi or Ronaldo after one or two bad games.

    IMO, not only is it unethical not to play Arfa; it makes no sense :-)

    King Arfa will play!

  • 73 lesh // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    TDS…… Dunno what’s been put in me pint – these tarts’ll stop at nowt when there’s a celeb there for the tekkin!!

  • 74 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Don’t you find it funny or even questionable that we hear that there’s no money at the club but amazingly when we are threatened by relegation they suddenly find a spare £18 million laying around to spend in January??? No doubt if/when we are facing a relegation battle again next January they’ll find another pot of gold.

  • 75 BDin9 // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Pardew is now on borrowed time. I think he will be gone if we lose to the Scum.JFK then takes over. Happy days. The final nail is hammered in. Killing our club lads and laughing while they do it

  • 76 jimiley // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    It has been a curse supporting the club the last 5 years. And it is going to get worse. We all know that Percy is going to get the sack soon. Probably after the Chelsea game. Then there is an easier run for the new manager. Mr JFK. Yes folks this is no nightmare dream. It is reality. A comedy club.

  • 77 Ian Toon // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    ToonDarn Sarf- His Lillywhites, Regent Street store has some great bargains in all sorts of Sporting gear. Just been late night shopping there and it’s packed out with tourists. It puts his SD stores to shame- he’s got something right.

  • 78 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    jimiley

    Don’t think Kinnear would take over as the stress would kill him, but don’t right off Hartford coming in as any replacement would either be a sideways step and even backwards

  • 79 lesh // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Tommyy, The only positive about Kinnear will be organisation, there are no others?

    Kinnear organising what? He can only put his shoes on thus right feet coz one’s red (right) and the other’s orange (Other) foot.

  • 80 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Askar – There’s no doubt Benny shouldn’t be dropped, but I wouldn’t put it past Pardew.

    Benny’s last couple of games haven’t been good, but I can point to many more players who have performed worse.

  • 81 BDin9 // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Jack. Don’t forget JFK won the world cup twice,was the first man on the moon and cured cancer all in one day. He would take the job.

  • 82 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    Benny has to be in the side for me. But he has to used properly and those around him must know how to play with him. Most teams that are successful against him use a 2 or even 3 man trap before he can get going. Open space is what he needs so we have to get him the ball in open space for god’s sake! Have him stay wide if necessary but get him the ball with a few yards clear. If he’s caught on the ball by two or three players it’s only possible to pass safely out of it or lose the ball. Haven’t we learned anything?

  • 83 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Also BDin9 Joe won 7 LMA awards (3 consecutive). How can we pass him up even with a bum ticker? There must be dozens of teams out there just waiting to snap him up along with Pardew.

  • 84 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    BDin9

    We can only hope that Kinnear is too busy bringing peace to the Middle East, solving world poverty or has been entered on Celebrity Come Dancing to take over the job as manager

  • 85 BDin9 // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    Geordie, legend is that he has 3 hearts. Doctor Who is a cissy compared to him.

  • 86 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    fatman

    Every manager knows our history! And if they don’t know it very well then they’re damn well going to look into it before they take the job!

    Every appointment is a gamble…but Pardew is still here so it’s just speculation for now…

  • 87 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    mattnufc

    We haven’t got that money yet. It’s partially based on the final league position so we get it at the end of this season. Common misconception…

  • 88 BDin9 // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    Joking aside though. It will probably happen. Manager I mean

  • 89 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    We need huge changes at the club. It’s been obvious for quite a while. Hiring Kinnear was the action of a sad sack who can’t be bothered. It won’t work in football Ashley. Hire some competent people or prepare to lose a huge amount of money.

  • 90 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    JB

    Not really. Because they didn’t say that there was no money in the club last summer. They just said that they didn’t find the deals they wanted and they thought that the current squad was good enough to be given a chance. When that failed, they spent money.

    They can’t hide the financial details mate, they’re all in the accounts.

  • 91 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    I believe it all of course BDin9 and JackButler. Why are we so worried with Joe to step in and save us?

  • 92 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    BDin9

    I saw that picture of JFK on the moon with two fingers up at his mouth. Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and John Terry were standing next to him.

  • 93 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Funny how we can find the deals when there is no other option though?

    As I said, they only spent that money because they had to

  • 94 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Ian Toon

    Are you Darn Sarf too mate? I’ve bought a few things in SD before as there’s one walking distance from me but a lot of it is just tat. I don’t wear sportswear for leisure so for me it’s just odd that the actual sports gear seems to be shoved in a little corner when compared to the charva stuff.

  • 95 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    JB

    Yeah. We all know that we wanted at least a centre half that summer. Then of course we had Colo and Saylor injured so we ended up with Willo and Perch or even Willo and Simpson (did we ever play Perch and Simpson??) as our centre halves. No wonder we were so rubbish…

    I wonder if we’re going to find some more deals in January? The club did claim that prices were inflated this summer (I tend to agree as Bony, Osvaldo and that guy Saints bought from Celtic were all very expensive I felt) so maybe the deals are to be had in January…

  • 96 Ben3arfa // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    Kinnear wilk suffer another heart attak if he takes over.is he stupid enough to risk it? I think so ..

  • 97 BDin9 // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    BandB, that was the official photo.Conspiracy theories say only JFK was there. Other’s agree with Terry also

  • 98 PMartel // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    http://newcastle.gloryfootball.com/2013/10/03/alan-pardew-the-great-pretender/

    Canny little article. Sums up most peoples feelings towards Pardew. He’s definitely on borrowed time.

    Would Ashley be stupid enough to hire Joe? Would Joe stupid enough to take the job? There would be an instant backlash. The stuff of nightmares!

  • 99 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    I think Ashley might catch us a little by surprise with a new manager. I think Curbishley will come in. Didn’t Curbishley rescue one of Pardew’s previous teams? Kinnear’s health just can’t handle the manager position anymore.

  • 100 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Man City have spent a fortune on players and yet Bayern gave them a footballing lesson last night. The preparation of a good manager having a massive influence on a team’s performance? The result of a club well run from top to bottom? Or something else? Whatever the reasons, it’s all absent at NUFC.

  • 101 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    Ashley would do himself a lot of good if he were to replace Pardew with someone who the fans could get behind. If he were to show a modicum of ambition to do something other than simply survive in the league…………………..wishful thinking I know but thats about all I have left

  • 102 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    GeordieTwo

    Curbishley is just another Pardew imo and we’d be in the same boat

  • 103 GeordieTwo // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    He might give us a decent rescue season JackButler but basically I agree. It wouldn’t be anywhere near good enough long term. I think your post @101 about summarizes it for many of us mate.

  • 104 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    Off to watch BBC 1 “Mayhems and Mishaps of Everyday Life”. Jokey and Pards sure to be on.

  • 105 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Personally I’d take Poyet in a heart beat as he’s about the best of what we could hope to get

  • 106 BDin9 // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    4.30 start. Nite lads.

  • 107 Offkey // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    TDSarf – I think your figures on advertising are wrong. I dont think it would be a great deal but as a moderate estimate it would probably cover a decent players wages for a year (and maybe more when thinking of the extra tv exposure compared to the team outlined below).

    http://www.ytfc.net/commercial/advertising/

    Yeovil charge 750-1500 PER hoarding, depending on position and size in league 1 in 2012. In the picture I can see at least 12 at the minimum of 750 thats almost 9k for maybe a third of the stadium.

  • 108 JAMSHA // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    bloody hell since google changed the google layout on opera mini… every site is lookn wierd even the blog

  • 109 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    Offkey

    You know what I don’t get…it says £750-£1500 dependent on size and placement…but says nothing about the duration. So are we to assume that this is the price for the whole year? Sounds like it. There’s nothing there to say that it costs more depending on whether the match is televised or whether they’re playing a big team who bring lots of fans.

    And since the Scoreboard Advertising is listed as just £500 per season…I’d say my point about the amounts being small are correct.

    To cover a decent player’s wages for a years, you’ve got to be talking about £1.5M. Our total commercial revenue was £13M.

  • 110 Offkey // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    TDSarf – If it says per season for the scoreboard but not for the others I take the opposite view of it than you have, but I can be swayed with some evidence. Further, the article you presented (I think) states ‘Stoke City offer boards from £750 to £3,500’. To me thats per individual board, admittedly if the duration is a year its still not a great deal.

  • 111 Offkey // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    Why dont you call up Yeovil and ask? :)

  • 112 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    Offkey

    How about Yeovil’s revenue in 2011 was just £2.9M in total?

    Or how about that it seems crazy if you can get the scoreboard for £500 a year that you’d have to pay more than that to get a hoarding for just 1 match. Or how about that surely every sponsor would want to get the hoarding for when they play a PL team in the cup?

    Or how about this…Bristol City quote prices from £50 per game. Prices listed lower down are £1,000 plus which must be for the season: http://www.bcfc.co.uk/commercial/advertising/

  • 113 stan anderson // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Pardew was always a crap appointment,no experience of managing a club as good as ours.
    Just look at his record.TDS

  • 114 Offkey // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    Or how about you get slightly more pedantic. :)

  • 115 beddersmag // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    Pmartel

    Thats like an article from the sun. Neville said it was a nightmare? He also followed that up with how he felt sorry for pardew, he wasnt to blame and players need to take responsibility for individual errors. Didnt bother reading the rest after that ridiculous twisted spin

  • 116 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    stan Anderson

    Nope. Neither does Poyet, Di Matteo only did for a few months, Martinez has only done for a few months, Laudrup hasn’t either.

    Most managers that have managed a club as big as ours have either failed (in which case do we really want them?) or have succeeded (in which case they’re looking for a CL team).

    Pardew was an ok appointment, that’s all. Not exciting or ambitious at all but sensible enough…no surprise really!

  • 117 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Offkey

    Sorry mate, I kept typing and then dug a little deeper and found more proof so typed that and I ended up only needing the last bit to prove my point!

    Perhaps you can at least tell people that our stadium sponsorship really wouldn’t be much. I haven’t counted the SD adverts but this is chicken feed. Hopefully people can stop talking about that…

  • 118 stuart no9 // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    —–But Alan has said his Newcastle team must be consistent and play well over the full 90 minutes and that will be the emphasis on Saturday——
    –AP has been saying that for nearly 3 years now , ok alan we know, but is it ever going to happen ? 2 words -PARDEW OUT !

  • 119 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    What people need to understand is even if we the clubs overall revenue was 1000% more than what it is the investment would be the same as Ashley wants out.

    He’s not looking to build something here, he’s not looking to actively achieve anything as his eye’s are firmly on the exit and he will never invest a penny more than is absolutely necessary as the lower the day to day running costs are the more chance he has of flipping us.

  • 120 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    JB

    What part of my earlier comment didn’t you grasp? It’s not Ashley’s money that is being spent on the club, it’s the club’s! So us spending money we don’t have just means either borrowing from the bank or borrowing from Ashley. If we don’t spend money we do have then it stays in the club’s bank account.

    So if we generated more money, Ashley could pay off his loan if he liked or he could invest it in the club and make the club worth more money.

  • 121 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    What part of us spending 18 million in January and not last summer didn’t you grasp???

    The club claimed we couldn’t find the right players last summer but low and behold we managed to find FIVE when threatened with relegation.

  • 122 Offkey // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    This is norwich pg 20 board facing crowd 1,950 for season. Tv 6k – you do the math………..its too late for me

    http://ncfc-news.co.uk/CorporateBrochure/2012-13HospitalityBrochure.pdf

  • 123 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    And the point of my post @119 was that even if we did have the money available to spend he wouldn’t unless we were in the same shi**y position we were last January

  • 124 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    JB

    So what? The prices were different, we had a few more months to find them. Maybe they went into debt?

    I wouldn’t buy a new car unless it was a great deal but if mine became a write-off and it wasn’t insured, then I’d have to find the money to buy a new one. So even if that is your point…what’s your point?

  • 125 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    JB

    But why not? Unless he’s saving it to pay back his £18M next season? Maybe….and he’s got every right to to be fair. We may not want him to but it’s only fair.

  • 126 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    Offkey

    Well found! So even the most expensive at Norwich is £6,000.

    I don’t know how many hoardings there are in the stadium and obviously I don’t know how many are at which level, but can you see how it really isn’t much money? £100k maybe a bit more. So even if we got sponsors to replace the SD signage, we’d be lucky if we’d pay a decent player for a week…

  • 127 puretoon // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Jack Butler @ 63. I couldn’t agree with you more mate. You’re spot on in every sense. I just wish other fans would think this way too as, IMO, they’re buckling too easy.
    It’s way past ‘you’ve got to support the lads’ etc scenario. Protests can come in many forms, the best being hit his pocket and deeply. Unfortunately you’ve got to be prepared to make sacrifices-head has to rule, not the heart. Stop paying in, stop buying strips-watch MOTD and stream instead, he’ll get the message and hopefully piss off with all his cronies.

  • 128 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    puretoon

    I don’t go to games any more and will not go until Ashley is gone, a small and feeble personal protest some may claim, but for me to get to SJP it consists of a 700 mile round trip and significant costs. But it’s something I’ve done gladly for longer than I care to remember and it’s killing me not to go to games at SJP but until he’s gone I wont step foot inside there

  • 129 stan anderson // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    I just dont understand how people on here can try to back Ashley.s running of our club .
    They have to be in his employ.
    If what you want is mediocrity then stay with the man.
    I am wanting us to compete with the top 6 and try to win a trophy,like we should be doing.
    Never mind that we have a good balance sheet,we are lovers of the club because we want any kind of success.

  • 130 stuart no9 // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    puretoon —–the problem is with newcastle fans is that the majority of them are set in their ways, going to the match is something they have done every saturday for god knows how many years. Meeting up withtheir mates for a pint beforehand is a habit they cant get out of – sad but true. It is a kind of selfishness , that they have bought a season ticket and refuse to boycott because their thinking is ‘ ive paid for it , so i’m going . hopefully now , if it gets worse on saturday , they may have a change of heart and do whatevery fan has to do and stay away.- for the good of the club.

  • 131 JackButler // Oct 3, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    stuart no9

    A mate from work is a season ticket holder at Cardiff and he has told me that we have returned around 500 of our ticket allocation for Saturdays game. The away support has always been the hard core and if thats starting to fall off the need to get this man out of club has really taken hold

  • 132 stuart no9 // Oct 3, 2013 at 11:01 PM

    jack—good . i hope it is just the start of a decline in our undeserved support for our owners and management ( not our team) however , if it means missing a few games to better our club , so be it . short term pain for long term gain , a common, but accepted point of view .

  • 133 stan anderson // Oct 3, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    The travelling support we have is fantastic,but they should be the people who make their feelings felt,stop travelling to matches.I did when i realised the Cockney Maffia were just taking the p-ss.

  • 134 kt97toonarmy // Oct 3, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    Evening lads.

    Well. Its a must win game against cardiff. They are a hard team to beat. Just like swansea were in there 1st season. But that malky mickay is a good manager. I would like to see him replace jol at fulham cas i think fulham would do much better. However a manager change at newcastle looks like its on the horizon.

    My next manager at newcastle would b either lee clark or re signing shearer. I think we need a geordie manager. Because all the players maybe french. But a geordie manager would beat passion and fight into them.

  • 135 headtheball // Oct 3, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    Ian Toon@44
    ” things can only get better ”
    With Ashley Joke and Percy orchestrating all things NUFC,what makes you think things will get better?
    Having witnessed some dire performances of late, I see no redemption on the horizon.
    What a trite statement from you!
    You deserve to be locked in a room with TDS.
    He has all the answers and you are the eternal optimist.
    HWTL




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